Hey all, I'm gonna repeat myself but thank you all for watching! This was a really fun video to make! I do apologize if you hear any background noise, I live in a house with 5 other college age boys... Only so much I can do to mitigate noise while I'm recording.
@jimwolaver9375 0 seconds ago It has to do with the way you name your videos. "Weird" is not a word US Navy fans accept easily. Try words like "unusual" which do not carry negative connotations.
Trying multiple times but the like button won't register it. I'll try again after this comment. And I've noticed the same problem on few other channels but not all.
I think one super weird battleship would be USS Oregon. Pre-dreadnought that served in Spanish-American War, WW1, was turned into a museum ship, and then took back by the Navy to be scrapped for the war effort, just to be turned into an ammunition hulk for Guadalcanal, before finally being sold off for scrap in 1956. Wild to see a museum ship return to service.
But at the same time torpedo spam would make it so that at least one of them hit... what it hit, that is debatable, but if you fire 500 off, someone is guaranteed to have a bad day.
I don't think the Japanese will even put efforts into increasing ASW's Capability with this advantage, then end up becoming massacred at once when years of war are getting late.
I loved the video and, unlike a lot of Military documentaries, the video clips WERE about the topic of the video. I have seen TV documentaries about the US fighting in North Africa during WW2 and the aircraft videos, supposedly relating to the topic, were of B29s! One Pre-Dreadnaught in the US Navy with a long and unusual career was the USS Kearsage. It spent many years as a very useful crane ship after its battleship days were over but I guess you knew that being a Norman Friedman fan.
Thank you for your kind words! As for Kearsarge, she’s part of the next installment of the Weird and Wacky Ships series on the channel, at least the next American installment.
Well, thank you for this one! Very interesting indeed. Wyoming and Utah especially did some amazing things to support training. 'Train hard, fight easy' might sound trite, but it is the very core of an efficient and effective service. Having seen a very early radio-controlled boat at the museum at Windermere, the idea of a radio controlled battleship fascinates me. The technical developments must have come thick and fast as the dockyard converted the ship to its new role. The 'Schofield' concept might have seemed good at the start, but as ships changed over the years the idea became obsolete. It is always a shame to see people being unable to let go of an idea (because they had it in the first place) when something better comes along! I have lost a good deal of hearing (too many bangs in my career!) so sound is always interesting to me - and I can say today that this doco has the best soundtrack so far! I don't pretend to understand how RUclips reports stats, but learning about ships from other navies is great fun, and the US Navy has to be a key subject in which to be interested, as I know almost nothing about it. Thank you again, and apologies for what has grown into a very long comment. Kia ora and cheers.
Thank you, some interesting concepts in this video, that’s for sure! As for the American ships not doing well, I think it really depends on the subject. I’ve done USS Johnston and that’s a really interesting subject and it did well. I just don’t really know.
My only complaint is the title. The ships weren't weird as designed or built, but as modified after the Washington Naval treaty demanded their demilitarisation! Then they admitedly got a bit weird! I very much enjoyed the video, especially the information on Wyoming. There is a fair amount of information on the Utah due to its sinking at Pearl Harbour, but not much on the Wyoming! Keep up the good work!
Thanks for the kind words! As for the title, it’s part of a larger series of videos that I’ve covered and it’s not meant as any disrespect towards the ships or nations, it’s just eye catching.
From what I read about them the gun itself was decent for the time (early 30's), but most of the major issues stemmed from the quad mount; it vibrated so much during firing it threw off the accuracy and caused frequent jams. The Navy spent years trying to fix it, but the vibration issues never fully went away.
@@level98bearhuntingarmor well yes, but even if they had managed to fix the vibration issues it wouldn't address the fact that the 40mm Bofors is still a punchier and longer ranged gun, which is precisely what the Navy was looking for in the early 40's. The 1.1" is in this unfortunate grey zone where it's just a little too heavy to be a decent light AA gun and just too light to be a decent medium AA gun. However, I do have a plausible what-if scenario had they been able to fix the vibration issues. I doubt it would have changed much in the early part of the the war, but in the later stages it may have helped address the kamikaze situation. Let me explain: when Japan started using the kamikaze tactic the 20mm Orlikon was found to just not have enough range to effectively stop them before they hit. They needed something with more range and punch. The idea of bringing back the 1.1" gun was proposed but quickly dismissed due to the aforementioned reliability and accuracy issues. In this alternate history scenario where the 1.1" does work as advertised they do end up supplementing/replacing some ships' 20mm battery as a temporary fix while they work on a more permanent solution to the problem.
2:20 hull form has alot to do with your Max top speed as well , adding anti torpedo bulges won't help . Like I used to work on trawlers your average 60 foot 60 ton trawler has about 500 horsepower and your flat out going 8 knots , the same Power plant on a boat a similar size made for servicing gas/oil rigs will push 30
I build propellers for a living. A couple years ago I ran a couple of US standard BB's through the sizing program. The style suggested was a High skew 5 Blade for the Arizona. It should have added 3.5 more knots on the same HP and gear reduction. The style suggested didn't even exist until the 1980's. The fuel efficiency would have also stayed at around 80% which was the US Navy BB Target goal.
15:20 The battleship Utah was converted into an unarmed radio controlled target ship. It doesn't get much stranger than that. (Of course you could always tell us about the battleships that were anchored near an atomic bomb test; that's pretty weird too.)
As for my self I too love learning about the US NAVY especially the Battle ships. My grandfather severed on the Nevada. I loved his stories when I was growing up. Such a shame what the NAVY did to the Nevada! That ship really deserved to be a memorial . If anyone wants to take the time to read the history of this iconic warship and all that she did before and during World War II.
#27 Odd Naval thoughts. How about the Navy adopting during WWII. Railroad Ferries carrying railroad guns for coastal bombardment, similar to British Monitors. The plan was dismissed after a study that such vessels were unsuitable for invasion purposes.
Any chance of doing a video of remote-controlled target warships? The RN used the old battleships HMS Centurion and HMS Agamemnon as targets for some years. As an old navy marine engineer, I'm curious as to how they were operated.
I’ve got good news for you! My weird and wacky ships video from August features Centurion! It details her getting beat up pretty good by the eight inch cruisers. Three More Weird and Wacky British Warships ruclips.net/video/zLRVq5wpoXk/видео.html
Might have been worthwhile to have included the US monitors that were 'rebuilt' to bypass the no new building legislation. There were a bunch of US pre-dreadnought builds that were unique and worthwhile following up on for this series.
Okay, the online sources discount this, but I read decades ago that a German navy officer infiltrated the torpedo testing facility in the US before WW2 and copied the cutting edge designs of the time and sent them to Germany, evidence of which was only discovered after the war. Believable? Yes. The German torpedoes early in WW2 had almost identical failures to the ones the US had a few years later when they entered the war. Would it have made a difference? No clue, so much conflicting information and flat out missing information. Contrary speculations among historians. IMO, if the Germans hadn't has the same problems (somehow) with their torpedoes, a lot more tonnage would have been sunk early, before the British and later the US (before US entry into the war) shipyards could ramp up to start building mass amounts of freighters. This could have been critical, in the early stage and put the pressure on Britain earlier, perhaps even critical pressure. As another bit of trivia, one design consideration for the Iowa class battleships is that they are "Panamax" sized, actually pushing that to the limit of the actual size of the locks of the Panama Canal, so they were capable of moving from ocean to ocean via the Canal. You can find pictures of the USS New Jersey on her way to Vietnam in the Canal.
Weird one was above all the ship NOT named after the State. The State with rather bad luck with battleships is MONTANA, both ships to be named after her had NEVER been put to service. 😊
Torpedoes on a very large slow ship makes no sense as guns outrange them by so much they would never get close enough to attack. Torpedoes only make sense for submarines and very fast small ships that are more difficult to target and hit.
Yeah I don't know what happened there. Thankfully I can cut that out in the RUclips editor, should update in the next couple of hours. I really try to go over videos and make sure something like that doesn't happen. But, on occasion something slips through. Sorry about that.
@@ImportantNavalHistory It happens, just thought I'd throw you a heads up. Good video btw, I think the Wyoming would have made a gnarly convoy escort ship during the war, but the need to train the amount of sailors the Navy needed far outweighed what it's usefulness might have been. Especially after Germany stopped surface raids.
Wouldn’t be one of my videos without something silly like that, sorry about that friends. I’m usually pretty good with my geography, I had the east coast on my mind because of Wyoming. I do know the geography of my own nation lol.
Puget Sound, Bremerton Naval Shipyard located in Washington State, my Dad was an Naval engineer and architect stationed at Bremerton 1950s. WA was my home state.....
Was that a giant analog clock on the antenna mast of the first boat, the USS Wyoming? Before I spark a flame war by hurting any Sailor's feelings, I know that it's a ship...however, being a veteran of the US Army I am required to talk sh!t.
Pretty sure it’s a ranging clock, designed to communicate fire control settings to other ships if other communication methods are unavailable. It’s really visible on some French battleships from the interwar period!
Hey all, I'm gonna repeat myself but thank you all for watching! This was a really fun video to make! I do apologize if you hear any background noise, I live in a house with 5 other college age boys... Only so much I can do to mitigate noise while I'm recording.
BAH! I didn't notice noise and and great that you are doing this under those conditions.
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It has to do with the way you name your videos. "Weird" is not a word US Navy fans accept easily. Try words like "unusual" which do not carry negative connotations.
@@jimwolaver9375 Appreciate the suggestion. But, I think I’ll just stick to weird.
Trying multiple times but the like button won't register it. I'll try again after this comment.
And I've noticed the same problem on few other channels but not all.
@@hazchemel I've had the same problem before, just needed to refresh the page. But, it registers :)
I think one super weird battleship would be USS Oregon. Pre-dreadnought that served in Spanish-American War, WW1, was turned into a museum ship, and then took back by the Navy to be scrapped for the war effort, just to be turned into an ammunition hulk for Guadalcanal, before finally being sold off for scrap in 1956. Wild to see a museum ship return to service.
Oh yes! Great idea!
Based on the performance of US torpedos by submarines early in WW2, It's a very good thing Schofield's torpedo battleship was rejected by the navy.
Interestingly the British toyed with the idea as well.
But at the same time torpedo spam would make it so that at least one of them hit... what it hit, that is debatable, but if you fire 500 off, someone is guaranteed to have a bad day.
@@whyjnot420the stress is gonna give someone a heart attack lmao
@@ZhongDongOrdo Now I'm imagining _Kamchatka_ going nuts saying things about spotting a torpedo battleship.
I don't think the Japanese will even put efforts into increasing ASW's Capability with this advantage, then end up becoming massacred at once when years of war are getting late.
Enjoyed this look at these unusual ships!
I loved the video and, unlike a lot of Military documentaries, the video clips WERE about the topic of the video.
I have seen TV documentaries about the US fighting in North Africa during WW2 and the aircraft videos, supposedly relating to the topic, were of B29s!
One Pre-Dreadnaught in the US Navy with a long and unusual career was the USS Kearsage. It spent many years as a very useful crane ship after its battleship days were over but I guess you knew that being a Norman Friedman fan.
Thank you for your kind words! As for Kearsarge, she’s part of the next installment of the Weird and Wacky Ships series on the channel, at least the next American installment.
Well, thank you for this one! Very interesting indeed. Wyoming and Utah especially did some amazing things to support training. 'Train hard, fight easy' might sound trite, but it is the very core of an efficient and effective service. Having seen a very early radio-controlled boat at the museum at Windermere, the idea of a radio controlled battleship fascinates me. The technical developments must have come thick and fast as the dockyard converted the ship to its new role.
The 'Schofield' concept might have seemed good at the start, but as ships changed over the years the idea became obsolete. It is always a shame to see people being unable to let go of an idea (because they had it in the first place) when something better comes along!
I have lost a good deal of hearing (too many bangs in my career!) so sound is always interesting to me - and I can say today that this doco has the best soundtrack so far!
I don't pretend to understand how RUclips reports stats, but learning about ships from other navies is great fun, and the US Navy has to be a key subject in which to be interested, as I know almost nothing about it.
Thank you again, and apologies for what has grown into a very long comment. Kia ora and cheers.
Thank you, some interesting concepts in this video, that’s for sure! As for the American ships not doing well, I think it really depends on the subject. I’ve done USS Johnston and that’s a really interesting subject and it did well. I just don’t really know.
I enjoyed the video thank you for sharing
Very interesting 😎‼️
My only complaint is the title.
The ships weren't weird as designed or built, but as modified after the Washington Naval treaty demanded their demilitarisation!
Then they admitedly got a bit weird!
I very much enjoyed the video, especially the information on Wyoming. There is a fair amount of information on the Utah due to its sinking at Pearl Harbour, but not much on the Wyoming!
Keep up the good work!
Agreed. One could use "odd", or "different" terms to greater effect.
Thanks for the kind words! As for the title, it’s part of a larger series of videos that I’ve covered and it’s not meant as any disrespect towards the ships or nations, it’s just eye catching.
Great video, man! I’m a Soldier, but I’ve always had a big interest in naval history. You earned a new subscriber!
Thank you!
Great Video!
Friedman's book is quite the elemental tome on the subject of US battleships.
Nice job 👍
Great video on some ships I knew little about.
Thank you!
Good old Wyoming, named after my home state!
Fascinating upload 🇬🇧🙏🇺🇸
good video, very interesting
Didn't know Utah was one of the first to test out the 1.1"/75, for some reason that weapon system intrigues me
From what I read about them the gun itself was decent for the time (early 30's), but most of the major issues stemmed from the quad mount; it vibrated so much during firing it threw off the accuracy and caused frequent jams. The Navy spent years trying to fix it, but the vibration issues never fully went away.
@@pyronuke4768 so kinda like how the Japanese 25mm gun itself wasn't bad, it's just the mounts sucked
@@level98bearhuntingarmor well yes, but even if they had managed to fix the vibration issues it wouldn't address the fact that the 40mm Bofors is still a punchier and longer ranged gun, which is precisely what the Navy was looking for in the early 40's. The 1.1" is in this unfortunate grey zone where it's just a little too heavy to be a decent light AA gun and just too light to be a decent medium AA gun.
However, I do have a plausible what-if scenario had they been able to fix the vibration issues. I doubt it would have changed much in the early part of the the war, but in the later stages it may have helped address the kamikaze situation.
Let me explain: when Japan started using the kamikaze tactic the 20mm Orlikon was found to just not have enough range to effectively stop them before they hit. They needed something with more range and punch. The idea of bringing back the 1.1" gun was proposed but quickly dismissed due to the aforementioned reliability and accuracy issues. In this alternate history scenario where the 1.1" does work as advertised they do end up supplementing/replacing some ships' 20mm battery as a temporary fix while they work on a more permanent solution to the problem.
Im here for it either way but id love more US Navy history
Nice photo of the USS North Dakota at the end of the video.
Great video
I dont talk for anyone but myself i love naval history especially warships like battleships
2:20 hull form has alot to do with your Max top speed as well , adding anti torpedo bulges won't help . Like I used to work on trawlers your average 60 foot 60 ton trawler has about 500 horsepower and your flat out going 8 knots , the same Power plant on a boat a similar size made for servicing gas/oil rigs will push 30
I build propellers for a living. A couple years ago I ran a couple of US standard BB's through the sizing program. The style suggested was a High skew 5 Blade for the Arizona. It should have added 3.5 more knots on the same HP and gear reduction. The style suggested didn't even exist until the 1980's. The fuel efficiency would have also stayed at around 80% which was the US Navy BB Target goal.
15:20 The battleship Utah was converted into an unarmed radio controlled target ship. It doesn't get much stranger than that. (Of course you could always tell us about the battleships that were anchored near an atomic bomb test; that's pretty weird too.)
You might be onto something for a future video🤔
As for my self I too love learning about the US NAVY especially the Battle ships. My grandfather severed on the Nevada. I loved his stories when I was growing up. Such a shame what the NAVY did to the Nevada! That ship really deserved to be a memorial . If anyone wants to take the time to read the history of this iconic warship and all that she did before and during World War II.
12 inch squared? WOW! if her gunnery is on.
There's also the Virginia-class with its stacked turrets.
Do the 1st, 2nd and 3rd New Jerseys, 2 BBs and a SN.
Do one on Forrestal Class, SHAME none were museum exhibits,
I liked it :)
Good read.
#27 Odd Naval thoughts. How about the Navy adopting during WWII. Railroad Ferries carrying railroad guns for coastal bombardment, similar to British Monitors. The plan was dismissed after a study that such vessels were unsuitable for invasion purposes.
Any chance of doing a video of remote-controlled target warships?
The RN used the old battleships HMS Centurion and HMS Agamemnon as targets for some years.
As an old navy marine engineer, I'm curious as to how they were operated.
I’ve got good news for you! My weird and wacky ships video from August features Centurion! It details her getting beat up pretty good by the eight inch cruisers.
Three More Weird and Wacky British Warships
ruclips.net/video/zLRVq5wpoXk/видео.html
Check out the Virginia class Battleships. Very interesting.
Might have been worthwhile to have included the US monitors that were 'rebuilt' to bypass the no new building legislation. There were a bunch of US pre-dreadnought builds that were unique and worthwhile following up on for this series.
Oh yes, there’s plenty of ships worthwhile to include in this series, and for the US this is just the tip of the iceberg!
LOVE THE U S. NAVY AND THE BATTLEWAGONS.
Okay, the online sources discount this, but I read decades ago that a German navy officer infiltrated the torpedo testing facility in the US before WW2 and copied the cutting edge designs of the time and sent them to Germany, evidence of which was only discovered after the war.
Believable? Yes. The German torpedoes early in WW2 had almost identical failures to the ones the US had a few years later when they entered the war.
Would it have made a difference? No clue, so much conflicting information and flat out missing information. Contrary speculations among historians.
IMO, if the Germans hadn't has the same problems (somehow) with their torpedoes, a lot more tonnage would have been sunk early, before the British and later the US (before US entry into the war) shipyards could ramp up to start building mass amounts of freighters. This could have been critical, in the early stage and put the pressure on Britain earlier, perhaps even critical pressure.
As another bit of trivia, one design consideration for the Iowa class battleships is that they are "Panamax" sized, actually pushing that to the limit of the actual size of the locks of the Panama Canal, so they were capable of moving from ocean to ocean via the Canal. You can find pictures of the USS New Jersey on her way to Vietnam in the Canal.
USS Washington, they put 5" AA guns wherever there was space, which makes it different from other US battleships how?
Hahahahha this is gonna be a great video man. GG
I'll have to watch it Friday though. Internet out till then and gotta save my data.
Weird one was above all the ship NOT named after the State. The State with rather bad luck with battleships is MONTANA, both ships to be named after her had NEVER been put to service. 😊
I an familiar with the 50 cal machine gun. What was the big deal about them.
Then there are the Tillman......
You forgot USS Mississippi AG-128
Torpedoes on a very large slow ship makes no sense as guns outrange them by so much they would never get close enough to attack. Torpedoes only make sense for submarines and very fast small ships that are more difficult to target and hit.
Nice vid, thanks for it. BTW Norfolk is pronounced nor-f... eh, never mind ;)
6:01 I think your record skipped.
Yeah I don't know what happened there. Thankfully I can cut that out in the RUclips editor, should update in the next couple of hours. I really try to go over videos and make sure something like that doesn't happen. But, on occasion something slips through. Sorry about that.
@@ImportantNavalHistory It happens, just thought I'd throw you a heads up. Good video btw, I think the Wyoming would have made a gnarly convoy escort ship during the war, but the need to train the amount of sailors the Navy needed far outweighed what it's usefulness might have been. Especially after Germany stopped surface raids.
Just a point pugant sound is in Washington state. Not the east coast
Probably mixed it up with Repugnant Sound . . . on the west coast of North Dakota . . . .
@@richardcleveland8549 lol
Wouldn’t be one of my videos without something silly like that, sorry about that friends. I’m usually pretty good with my geography, I had the east coast on my mind because of Wyoming. I do know the geography of my own nation lol.
@@kellyschram5486 I absolve thee! I absolve thee! I absolve thee! THERE! NOW you are cleansed! 🤣
Puget Sound, Bremerton Naval Shipyard located in Washington State, my Dad was an Naval engineer and architect stationed at Bremerton 1950s. WA was my home state.....
Crazy give me a destroyer squadron instead.
No wierder than French battleships that had NO gun turrets in the rear.
torpedo battleship.. basically a very large submarine that cant submerge.. the submarines we ended up with were better 'torpedo battleship'
Puget Sound
West NOT East Coast
Already noted friend, apologies. I’m usually better with my geography but had the east coast on my mind due to Wyoming.
Was that a giant analog clock on the antenna mast of the first boat, the USS Wyoming?
Before I spark a flame war by hurting any Sailor's feelings, I know that it's a ship...however, being a veteran of the US Army I am required to talk sh!t.
Pretty sure it’s a ranging clock, designed to communicate fire control settings to other ships if other communication methods are unavailable. It’s really visible on some French battleships from the interwar period!
@@fighter_pilot_1698 cool Thanks
The only weird US navy ship was the Vesuvius, these ships were normal old battleships repurposed for a new role.
nothing weird here
Interesting but a little too much reading other people's writing.
AI narrators suck
I concur, good thing I don’t use one.