Great video. As a bonus, I had a particularly funny and seamless AD reterritorialization of the video which was "Rhizomes are [Ad pops up] ... looking for the most delicious snack on the planet." Couldn't have scripted that better.
Eye-opener: one of the secrets of Deleuze & Guatarri is the work Elias Canetti especially his lifework 'Crowds and Power' (Masse und Macht). The layered structure and content of this work had to be an inspiration for them for many years. Even fundamental idea of rhizome is fine located in this work. In original language German 'crowds' is called more abstract Masse. Masse (with quality: multitude and equality) was for Canett in 'matter of fact' the rhizome for almost all great transformations (in German more meaningful: Verwandlung) in history human psyche. Canetti was a great opposer of Freud. His interpretation of Schreber in Crowds and Power was totally different. This had also influenced Deleuze and Guatarri during L'Anti Oepide. Chemist(!) Canetti wrote only one novel Auto da Fe (Die Blendung, title referring to blindness) there you can find the first roots of his idea of mass/crowds.
Auto da Fé (original title Die Blendung, "The Blinding") is a 1935 novel by Elias Canetti; the title of the English translation (by C. V. Wedgwood, Jonathan Cape, Ltd, 1946) refers to the burning of heretics by the Inquisition. The first American edition of Wedgewood's translation was titled The Tower of Babel (Alfred A. Knopf, 1947). I had to look him up.
thank you, I', watching EVERYthing on youtube about this and this should be in the top results, sadly it's not and it took me months to get here. Eventho I understand this topic fairly good, I needed this kind of explanation, I don't know how to put it. also, no ads for me, cause I block it, haha, to the next video!! tnhanks again
I could see how James Lindsay's audience could be terrified by these concepts: the sheer physicality of the metaphors, lends itself to a 19th-century dread, although the overall impression is one of positivity
I thought D&G implied that the stratas are interpenetrated and which is why none of them are superior to the other. If inter penetrated, then how do these empty spaces arise in between them?
If I had to hazard a guess, they're speaking about the strata both regulatively and determinatively. What I mean by that is in the former, they're discussing how the strata are perceived (classes, castes, genders, etc.). This is where they are separate. Whereas in the latter, they're discussing how strata really are (i.e. interpenetrated)
Regards the BwO as being the soccer field etc, how might one characterize the Plane of Consistency - within the context of this metaphor of soccer field?
@@TheoryPhilosophy I would suggest that the plane of consistency is a state that exists post teritorialisation. The BwO is pre strata. "becoming" is temporal yet none linear.
Modern psychoanalysis doesn’t center around the Oedipal complex. It’s origins aren’t in Guattari at all but in treating psychotic patients and not leaving them in a state where they cannot function or relate to other people. It does this by joining the person and allowing him or her to share his experience with the analyst, who doesn’t offer interpretations but allows the person to find their own way to relationship. Guattari seems to thing that psychosis is the ideal way of being for the human being. This is a hypocritical and bourgeois stance. Workers can’t afford to be crazy, only wealthy writers with advanced degrees can.
@@Markderder I do not think Guattari is saying Freud is the foundation of psychoanalysis but a branch. A branch that overloaded with birds that should be spread out. Capitalism great secret is pretending that humans do not have stages of awakening or higher consciousness with age which leads to alienation from society and the self. This whole subject is so vast and elaborate that criticism of one part doesn't break the whole. We must produce a holistic ideology that can be adjusted and understood by all.
The true rhizome about this video this the ads.
Haha capitalist deleuze. Find the podcast in the links where it's ad feee
Becoming-monetized
Roots Radicals 😂
Great video. As a bonus, I had a particularly funny and seamless AD reterritorialization of the video which was "Rhizomes are [Ad pops up] ... looking for the most delicious snack on the planet." Couldn't have scripted that better.
Eye-opener: one of the secrets of Deleuze & Guatarri is the work Elias Canetti especially his lifework 'Crowds and Power' (Masse und Macht). The layered structure and content of this work had to be an inspiration for them for many years. Even fundamental idea of rhizome is fine located in this work. In original language German 'crowds' is called more abstract Masse. Masse (with quality: multitude and equality) was for Canett in 'matter of fact' the rhizome for almost all great transformations (in German more meaningful: Verwandlung) in history human psyche. Canetti was a great opposer of Freud. His interpretation of Schreber in Crowds and Power was totally different. This had also influenced Deleuze and Guatarri during L'Anti Oepide.
Chemist(!) Canetti wrote only one novel Auto da Fe (Die Blendung, title referring to blindness) there you can find the first roots of his idea of mass/crowds.
Auto da Fé (original title Die Blendung, "The Blinding") is a 1935 novel by Elias Canetti; the title of the English translation (by C. V. Wedgwood, Jonathan Cape, Ltd, 1946) refers to the burning of heretics by the Inquisition. The first American edition of Wedgewood's translation was titled The Tower of Babel (Alfred A. Knopf, 1947). I had to look him up.
super helpful! I really appreciate you putting all these videos together!
thank you, I', watching EVERYthing on youtube about this and this should be in the top results, sadly it's not and it took me months to get here. Eventho I understand this topic fairly good, I needed this kind of explanation, I don't know how to put it. also, no ads for me, cause I block it, haha, to the next video!!
tnhanks again
Also, if I am not wrong, you’re probably talking about the starlings (birds which form patterns in flight)
Ya if I remember what I was talking about, that sounds just about right!
I could see how James Lindsay's audience could be terrified by these concepts: the sheer physicality of the metaphors, lends itself to a 19th-century dread, although the overall impression is one of positivity
Thanks. Lots of help while I‘m reading this
they do a cute trick with preconscious as a state prior to any possible repression of Oedipus meaning it must be transferred at some point 🥰
Your videos are really great, and it would be nice to have English subtitles for non-english viewers ! :)
I'm sorry about that Téo. I'm going to eventually look into having them
I think the auto-captioning is pretty good. Subtitles takes some substantial effort.
This helped me so much. Thank you. Is it possible to get a pdf file of the transcript from one of your patrons?
hilariously funny - close to Marx Brothers and Monty Python! holes - matter which is faster than the speed of light - YEAH!!!
I thought D&G implied that the stratas are interpenetrated and which is why none of them are superior to the other. If inter penetrated, then how do these empty spaces arise in between them?
Lmao I have no idea
If I had to hazard a guess, they're speaking about the strata both regulatively and determinatively. What I mean by that is in the former, they're discussing how the strata are perceived (classes, castes, genders, etc.). This is where they are separate. Whereas in the latter, they're discussing how strata really are (i.e. interpenetrated)
Kant's influence on me is embarrassing
@@TheoryPhilosophy thanks. That makes sense! :)
Regards the BwO as being the soccer field etc, how might one characterize the Plane of Consistency - within the context of this metaphor of soccer field?
That is a very good question! I don't actually know if I know what the difference between the PoC and BwO is :/. Thoughts??
@@TheoryPhilosophy I would suggest that the plane of consistency is a state that exists post teritorialisation. The BwO is pre strata. "becoming" is temporal yet none linear.
Diggin your content here, but way too many advert ‘stratums’ that intrude.
Thanks!
this is the best fucking explanation of B w/o O what's zizek's problem? srs question
tel al sultan os "hill(becoming city) of authority" but tel is hebrew and sultan is arabic which is interesting so the aramaic?
Apparently rabbits cannot digest corn...
I like it but I keep getting lost in the jargon, It also feel to me as if they are very human-centric.
Being mindful of this position at least helps us be critical of it.
too many ads
I forgot to mention that the podcast version has no adds. Just look me or the episode up wherever you get podcasts to listen with ads
Modern psychoanalysis doesn’t center around the Oedipal complex. It’s origins aren’t in Guattari at all but in treating psychotic patients and not leaving them in a state where they cannot function or relate to other people. It does this by joining the person and allowing him or her to share his experience with the analyst, who doesn’t offer interpretations but allows the person to find their own way to relationship. Guattari seems to thing that psychosis is the ideal way of being for the human being. This is a hypocritical and bourgeois stance. Workers can’t afford to be crazy, only wealthy writers with advanced degrees can.
@@Markderder I do not think Guattari is saying Freud is the foundation of psychoanalysis but a branch. A branch that overloaded with birds that should be spread out. Capitalism great secret is pretending that humans do not have stages of awakening or higher consciousness with age which leads to alienation from society and the self. This whole subject is so vast and elaborate that criticism of one part doesn't break the whole. We must produce a holistic ideology that can be adjusted and understood by all.
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