Club Car DS Predator 420 Installation and Review - Vegas Carts Kit
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- Опубликовано: 26 авг 2024
- The transformation of my 1993 Club Car DS from a worn down wrecked old golf cart to a O.D. green lifted cart with a Predator 420 engine. I installed the engine utilizing the vegas carts kit, but I did not use a lot of the parts and custom fabricated a few of my own. Overall the kit was easy to use, but could be done better. If I had to do it again, I would only purchase the parts I need individually.
I purchased this kit from vegas carts. vegascarts.com...
This is the 6" lift I used ebay.us/9BreRo
These are the wheels & tires ebay.us/SxJytB
Here is the engine www.harborfrei...
Best golf cart conversion I have seen by far! Your engine and transmission/torque converter set up is great, plus the suspension and cosmetic restoration set a high standard. WELL DONE! 👍
Anyway you could make a video on how you connected all the wiring with the new motor?
That would be a HUGE help since I am considering buying one of these with the intention of doing this same setup
My '89 DS is almost just like yours. I got it for free. It was really beat and had been stripped for parts. The front suspension was damaged too. I rebuilt it back to stock. Then after the stock engine finally threw the connecting rod last year, I started to trick it out. I did the Vegas carts conversion with a Predator 420cc. I bought the pieces of the kit as I needed them. I actually used the factory driven pulley and a cheap Chinese series 40 driver clutch at first. I used a 42"x 7/8" belt from Gforce. (Awesome belts) It worked poorly at best. Ha ha. Now I have the primary and secondary from the Vegas carts kit. Waaaaay worth the money. Good clutches make all the difference in the world! I used their header and muffler. I double heat wrapped it and put a Super Trap clamp on tip on the end. This helped quiet it down quite a bit.
Just wanted to say thank you! Picking up a donor cart tomorrow to work with my niece's to rebuild over Summer, and plan on mostly going thru the route you did!
In 2024 and Vegas Carts hasn’t improved much. Their 4 and 5 start reviews on a website where you can’t leave reviews is misleading. The best part of the kit is the mount but at $900+. Yikes…. You have to be mechanically inclined to make their kits work, they are not a one stop shop. In fact, if you use their kit count on 4-5 trips to your local hardware store to get missing bolts. Keeping the original generator would be ideal as this gentlemen has done but that requires fabrication and extra parts. I watched this video many times to help explain things that weren’t explained in the instructions. Thank you for your time putting this together.
great video and helpful information especially for after market parts.
I was given an old club car and am almost finished. One of my goals was to complete the build with extra stuff laying around. Ended up building a 4 link rear end 2 link front, struts all around a 708cc predator vertical engine, around a 10inch lift and extended the wheel base. These things are a lot of fun. Again thanks for the content.
Do you still have the old air box with air filter?
Great video. You are right the Vegas Carts kits are worthless. Bought a 625 kit complete with engine 9 months ago. It's garbage. Missing parts, wrong parts, unusable exhaust, terrible customer service. If you want anything decent you have to fab many parts yourself. They sell garbage parts at ridiculously high prices. I agree stay away from Vegas kits. Do it yourself if you want it done right!
we've got opposite opinions on a few things. I have a 02 Yamaha G16 I got straight off the golf course in 08. I ran it for years stock, then it stopped wanting to turn over I did a 420 swap i figured why replace when i can upgrade. I love the vegas carts conversion kit i got an aftermarket muffler and its quieter than the stock golf cart muffler that I hacked off 6 years ago and ran it straight piped but after $5,000 and 4 years peacing my cart together with one hand from a wheelchair, I was taking the stock wiring out and realized my issues were a blown 10A fuse. so since I'm in this deep over a 10 cent fuse ill run it quiet if I no longer like it. its 3 Allan bolts and ill be running a straight pipe again
scarface matt what muffler did you use that is quieter than a golf cart muffler?
I've been looking for a video like this for several weeks. I just bought a 91 CC and plan to an engine upgrade myself. I haven't decided which route I'm going to go down. Maybe the Vegas Carts 23hp kit or the 22 hp Predator. But I am certainly going to use this video for reference.
It's funny. I also have an electric 91 CC that I did a 48v conversion and it's almost identical to yours.
Great video. This information is extremely helpful.
Great video ! I’m going to swap a 420 into my golf club aswell
I have a 1989 club car ds like yours wondering how you hooked up the factory starter generator to make the motor start and stop with the cart gas pedal?
I’m getting ready to do the predator 420cc in my 1996 club car. I’m removing the starter off the engine and use the starter generator. How did you hook up the club car wiring. Yellow wire, white/black wire and the Solid black wire to the engine.
Awesome work, we will be at Knowledge Fest Thank you for the content
I bought a 95 electric and intended to convert to
Preditor 12 hp gas. I think I will stick to electric for now to sneak up on wildlife more quietly. I will save your video in case I change my mind. Good job and thanks.
Nice video. FYI, there is no vacuum being supplied to the fuel pump. It’s positive crankcase pressure. This is a common mistaken assumption people make.
What did you do with the engine speed control lever. Did you tighten bolt with it open at full throttle and just control the speed from the carburetor? Thanks for taking the time to make this video. @JackofAllMasterofNone
Looks like the whole kit may not be offered any more. If I heard you right on the video, You would only need the Engine mount, Generator bracket and alternator mounts. Is that correct? Love the video and the cart. I am about to upgrade my 95 DS. Any help would be great!
I'm doing the EXACT same thing you did to my club car... Minus the "Vegas Carts kit" what's the name of the pulley that sits behind the clutch, that the starter/Generator Belt connects to? I'm having trouble finding that pulley on line.
Great work, thank you so much
Great video. Thanks for the tips!
Great video and very detailed. I am just starting my. Hold on a carry all and was seriously thinking about this kit. I’m glad I stumbled on to this video it answered a lot of questions I had. I will post my build on my channel once I start the project. Thanks again for the info. Definitely will subscribe
Thank you! Your video greatly helped me complete my lifan swap!
Great info! Thank you for making this video and giving so much details.
BTW, great video, very explanatory and definitely worth watching!
I went through the same thing pulling the rear clutch, broke multiple pullers had to cut it off
I’m looking for the information on the fuel tank gauge and sending unit you mentioned would be under the comments section but do not see it. Can you please provide it? Thanks
where do I find a secondary clutch that uses a 1"- 3/16" belt that fits a 7/8" shaft on my 1992 Clubcar
What’s the top speed?
is it much louder than a standard Gas cart motor or does it just seem that way in the video?
I know it's an old video. Did I see the predator running clockwise just like the old engine?
Here's a question. Maybe you said it in the video and I missed it, but my 98 club car DS has the fe290d kawasaki engine that spins counter clock wise
(if you're looking at it from the flywheel side). I see that engine spins clockwise. I know it wouldn't matter to the transmission, but if I were to do this, I would have a very low top speed because I would have to use reverse to go forward since the engine spins the opposite direction of the original kawasaki. Reverse has a much lower gear ratio. Did I miss something, or did yours happen to have a clockwise turning engine originally? Good video on all the work you've done also. The fuel gauge is a handy touch.
My stock engine spun the same way as the aftermarket engine, so it worked correctly. You are correct about your engine. It would mess up the gear ratio.
How did you get the throttle box to work. I have a 2000ds and vegas carts said to use my stock cradle, but with out the air filter and adapter on the carb the end of the bolts hit the throttle box
I’m washing you. Please I’m trying to do the same thing. How should be the engine crankshaft another to use CVT Clutch? Should it be required a straight or tapered shaft.
How come you didn't show the whole machine.? All your camera shots were tight (close). Only from the folded windshield down. Does it have a roof.? I think the bottom half looks cool. I like the color a lot.
Well done! Thanks for the info bud! 👍
I’m confused on how you hook the pulse pump to the motor and the carb to crest a vacuum
It's just a vacuum line running to the vacuum port on the carb. There is a spacer that attaches to the carb which has the port on it. It uses engine vacuum.
I'm doing the same to my 92...I wish now I would have changed some stuff on the lift kit.. it's weak.in places..
I read that the Predator 420 runs counter clockwise. On other conversions I watched, the engine is turned the other way and the drive belt is on the opposite side from your cart. How did you get the predator 420 engine to rotate clockwise?
It does rotate counter clockwise and this is how the oem engine runs on a 1993 Club Car DS with a FE290 engine. Counterclockwise
Jack of All Master of None , thank you for your response. I did not know the secondary Drive pulley on the differential turned counter clockwise on club carts.
Does a 1984 run counter clock wise too??
I know NOTHING about these things BUT I am looking at a 1997 Club Car GAS golf cart Carryall enclosed cab with aluminum dump bed, the guy wants $3800.00 for it, it runs and the guy says it has 165 compression, do you think this is a excessive price? What ISSUES should I look for ?? Was your engine conversion worth the time, $$, hassel for you ??
I’m doing the engine swap with the 420cc and I can’t find a clutch that comes with a generator pully on it. Your link pops up as not found error
Go to Vegas carts website and look around. They have probably restructured the website
I did the same engine swap. I have some questions for you!
Can you show the generator bracket you used that mounted to the Predator 420 or did you have to fabricate one
can you do a how to do a deep check. to see what all would need to be looked at before you buy. or how to know what to do check if left outside for a few years
thank you sir for your video's
sir I have Club Car DS Gas but there's problem ( high noise ) how can resolve it please
Good job. I get a question I am working on a Club Car I am putting a Honda GX340. Can i use the same Exhaust System that you use on 420 Predator Because your Engine is similar to mine.Can you Direct me where to find Engine Mount Plate that come together with A Forward & Reverse Unit i will be appreciated. Thank you in advance.
What a great job (:
Very supportive and professional video.
I have a CARRYALL 1 2002 with a broken engine head just waiting to be replaced ..
And I would love to get some advice from you about the list of things I need to buy so I can replace the engine and everything around it. Means PREDETOR 420
Of course you will be well rewarded (:
Is there a way to contact you?
Came out really good. Great job
so just to get it right , the Engine was around $ 300 ....but to make that engine work, it's $1,500 for the Kit..any other options besides just getting a running Gas Cart for $2,500 used?
Like how you showed everything that you did. Pretty clear. Do you happen to have part numbers of the clutches you installed? Thanks
Do you have the Vegas part number for the cradle you used? I see Cc8496V but it mentions the predator 22HP motor. Are the motor mounting points the same on the motor you used and the 22hp version? Im located in Canton, Ohio btw!
Thank you for sharing. I too have a 94 DS that I am 80% done doing this to. I have a question regarding white and black wire on cart. Which wire does this connect to on back of predator. I am running starter generator as well and only two wires left are brown (lower of two) and a black wire that runs across top of engine. Thanks in Advance from Central Ohio.
Other than the predator engine price how much would you need to spend to get it working in a DS?
The stock exhaust you've got is loud as hell too. I'd like to find a way to make it as quiet as possible. I'd also like to have an idle setup instead of killing it every time you let off the throttle. Nice video. Thanks for sharing.
Its not going to get quieter with a Honda clone style engine. The actual engine itself makes a lot of noise, even with the quietest exhaust. All I would have to do to keep it idling is turn up the idle screw and then use the kill switch to turn it off.
What belt size are u using
How did you get away with no remote choke cable. The predator 420 is very hard to start without choke,
If you rejet the carburetor to run richer it starts right up. I did install a choke cable though.
I can’t get my carb spacer to pull a vacuum. Any ideas?
Did you have any issues with the carb?? I cant seem to get my motor to stay running. thinks it to rich
Usually they are way too lean and need different jets to richen them up. Makes the choke unnecessary once dialed in
Would the original torque convertor have been compatible with the 420 you swapped? I’m looking for something cheap that works with the engine I got for basically free
Not without modification. The keyway and shaft size is different
Hello Jack,
I'm in the UK and doing a Renault Twizy conversion with LIFAN 460(16hp) and wish to ask what series or model is the front clutch(engine one) and on what engine speed engages ?Thank you very much!
What length belt did you use? My stock 37.5 inch belt is too short.
What gas level gauge did you buy?
How did you wire the engine to start when you push the gas pedal?
It's just the stock starter motor from the golf cart. It's in the video
Hey, great cart, finishing mine now. What fuel gauge in tank did you use. Thx
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What primary clutch did you use
Did you drill a hole in the engine sheetmetal to mount that throttle cable?
The cover over the fan on the side of the engine yes
Very good video enjoyed it
How did you wire the starter to engage and disengage for starting and stopping? I didn’t a starter generator which is normally engaged while the engine is running. If you used the stock starter like this it would wear out the stock starter solenoid?
I used the club car starter motor, not the one on the engine. It works just like a regular golf cart engine.
Loved the video do u have a video of how u did the Original generator.
Thanks for your awesome video. I have a question, Vegas carts told me I need a 42 15/16 drive belt. I can't find anyone that carries that belt. Do you have a model number or can you direct me to find this belt. I also have a 94 club car
Wondering what parts you actually needed to do this?
What size rims are on this colf cart ??
I bought the predator engine for a 2001 club card and did a few of the modifications you showed when I drive it now and forward it drives slow like reverse when I put it in reverse it dreverse the drive fast like forward you have any ideas Thank you
Your original engine probably ran the opposite direction and you are in "reverse" while moving forward.
I have an '89 Club Car DS with the Vegas Carts kit and a Predator 420cc engine. I am with u on the Walker muffler being way too loud.
Ya same Any suggestions
What size belt did you use
Does a club car rear end run CW or CCW, for forward
depends on the year. think they switched rotation like 1997. the clutch is different but the spring can be changed out then it will work.
@@howitstartsmm what spring do you change to make a 1997 rear end work with a ccw motor ?
@@johnwagner3414 I fabricated a twin beam swing arm set up with struts that retained the coil springs. Fabricated an 10" lift kit with front steering stabilizer.
Will I need to change the 12:1 gears in the rear end to a 6:1 or 8:1 as i upgrade the motor?
I didnt upgrade the gears, no
I've got a 420 clone in mine stock gearing and hit 42km/h or 26 mph before things got sketchy with under-inflated tires and way to much tow-in so no you don't need to. but it is an option
I'm looking at buying a 1997 Club Car Carryall Plus 2, question about your conversion, so you start it BY pressing the gas pedal? Is the key switch only a off pn setup?? Is there not a way to use the Predator starter??
You can use the predator starter. You would have to replace the key switch with a different one that is compatible with the predator wiring system. Basically when the key is off it shorts out the coil. When it's on its open circuit and when it's held to the far right just like a car it would engage the starter.
Where did you get your motor from
Nice job!
How did you control the choke? My new 459 predator won’t start without choking.
Thanks
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Was the stock starter/generator on yours strong enough to overcome the extra compression that engine makes? My original motor locked up, so I did the predator swap but I want to know if the stock starter/generator has enough torque to turn it over. Right now with the old starter/generator it stops on the compression stroke and I wanted to make sure that if I buy a newer stock style starter/generator that it will be enough to overcome the extra compression.
Yes. It has no problem at all.
Did you use the rear stock clutch and what size belt you use. And also what clutch you use for the front?
He's using a 780 clutch setup
can we get a straight run and top speed
Quick question. I’m going back and fourth between the 420cc and the 670cc v-twin. Is this motor a big upgrade from stock? Or does it really not feel much different. Also, how loud is it compared to stock, I don’t want something obnoxious. Nice cart man!
It's much better than stock and is slightly louder, but still quiet with the stock muffler.
I was trying to make this call too. I have a 420 predator on my Thai long tail Jon boat, and having experienced it's vibrations, and anemic starting with the on board system, opted for the vtwin to go in the cart. Parts are on order!
The electrical system on my donor cart is trashed, so no point in worrying about the on cart generator.
What engines allow you to do the start and stop with just the gas pedal? This is huge for me as i am looking to upgrade my cart but need an engine that is controlled by the pedal while on the golf course. Can this be done all the way up to 24HP or only the 420?
I believe with anything larger there wont be enough room for the generator / starter.
I have the same cart. Can you make a video solely on wiring the fuel gauge ?
Already did 😀
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nice looking cart. maybe i missed it but why not just rebuild the stock engine? that FE290 is a great motor.
Could you please do a video how to connect the wires to the motor?. I have a vegas performance motor very similar what you have but I can't figure out to do the wires to start the motor with the gas pedal, thank you!
Sorry. I no longer have this cart
Does your transmission have a governor arm on it that the throttle originally connected to?
Transmission does not
@@JackofAllMasterofNone alright, mine does. Thanks you did a nice job on your swap!
Did you have to replace the spring in the primary clutch?
The whole CVT was replaced with the Vegas carts ones.
Why belt number use thanks
Do you think the ride is rough because it's the heavy duty lift, or did you ge the regular lift kit?
It's much tougher than stock. But the shocks are super stiff in the back and that could be part of the problem.
Building an older cart how did you get the engine to start off the pedal push?
Utilizing the stock starter / generator
Very good
I like the steel wheel.
Do you know off hand what size belt you run on this build? Show at 6:35
I do not. They included it with the kit. They like to keep it a secret. I couldn't find anything on the belt to identify it either. I no longer have this cart
did you use a stock club car drive belt with the comet clutch ?
No. It came with the engine kit
Anybody else doing this to an old ds club car make sure that your engine is counterclockwise drive on the pulley I noticed this one was a lot of them or not
Looks like you live in Ohio. What area? I'm in Dubin. Do you have any tips on where I can find A DS front cowl that's reasonably priced?
Central Oh area. Not sure on the cowl. Check craigslist. Ive seen them on there every now and then. Shipping is expensive on something like that so buying locally is ideal.
@@JackofAllMasterofNone amigo soy de Panamá, tengo un carrito igualito ayúdame para arreglar el motor. Mandame tu correo porfavor.
@@JackofAllMasterofNone amigo mandame tu Instagram porfa urgente. Necesito saber más del motor
Is that a 4 stroke
How did you get it to crank when yo press te gas and stop when you let off
Im looking to make my ds like your
Please let me know how you did it
It's part of the Vegas carts kit. you basically just have the throttle screw turned all the way out so it shuts off when you let off the gas. When you press the gas it activates the micro switch which runs the starter generator and the engine runs
@@JackofAllMasterofNone
Ok thank you for the help
I bought a transaxle rearend to take the electric parts out
I was wondering if you know whats the lowest engine i can use
Im fixing this cart formy wife to ride our handicapped daughter around on this dirt road we live on
So im not looking for speed just enough power to climb up some hills
Thank you again for the help
I have all the parts coming for mine except the v-belt pulley for the generator and the drive belt. Both were out of stock at Vegas carts. Any idea where I can get one? Or specs for both parts so I can search for them? Belt length and v-belt pulley diameter would help a bunch. Thanks
Vegas carts makes these parts so I don't think you can get them anywhere else unfortunately
@@JackofAllMasterofNone thanks for the quick reply. If you get a chance and could tell me the diameter of v-belt pulley I may be able to come up with something. Lots of resources and machine shops connections. Lol
Unfortunately I don't have it anymore. Sorry