Mauser Stalking Rifle Recovery
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- Опубликовано: 18 сен 2024
- Steam bend and checker a 7mm Mauser stalking rifle. Must admit this thing kicked my ass.
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Used your boiling technic on a 6.5 Carcano I just bought, bluing came back to at least 90 percent, gun looks great, thanks!
I'm planning on doing the same to a 1891 carcano I just picked up. Hope it comes out good.
Just Boiled a C pattern EIC musket from 1841 today. Can confirm it worked on that too...
Which video does he show this? I’ve been interested in trying this technique as well.
@@Purpmaster entire Playlist labeled "conservation videos" start there
Mark Novak Thank you for taking the time to reply Mark. I buy, sell, and collect, mainly WW2 and earlier so I am always looking for better ways to clean and preserve my guns and Militaria items.
I’m so glad that you have your own channel now. You and your guys do some amazing work. 👍
Jeez the people that are complaining that this wasn't worth the money or implying that Mark is cheating people by not putting a 200 dollar boyds stock on it and calling it good, aren't being particularly smart. First nobody except Mark and the customer know why they put the amount of labor and money in this. It really doesn't matter why, if the the customer wanted it done than that is his/her business and your opinion, and mine, doesn't matter. Second, I highly doubt Mark just did all of this and didn't tell the customer anything. Any good business man knows that you communicate with your clients or you don't have a business for very long. I would be willing to bet that the customer had many opportunities to go another route, yet they decided to go this route. Third, just sit back and learn. That seems to be a foreign concept to a lot of people these days. It doesn't matter the particulars, just listen and learn instead of criticize anything that you would or would not do.
The key phrase is "*significant* emotional/sentimental value".
And that's where the ethical business person says, "you know that will be *a lot* more expensive than a whole new stock, right?" And the gun owner says "yeah, I know. But I want to keep that stock." Followed by the ethical business person saying, "well, it is your money, but it's going to take us a lot of time to fix. We will keep you posted."
If the current attempt did not work, we would be at 40% of what the new stock would be in labor. The owner and I discussed where the tipping point would be, which is here. The conundrum, is when to abandon the history, and when to do so $ wise. The owner has about half of what a restock would have been in it, and that was a choice for him. He chose to take a risk that I might be able to save it, based on my reputation.
So he took the smaller gamble on you. That's why Craftsmen have reputations. The added part of it, is you couldn't make it work, no one else could have.
Costs are balances on the depth of desire and wallet.
Mark, thanks for that explanation. I can see deciding to keep the original stock “at all costs” but knowing that a replacement stock would be significantly more expensive also helps understand the decision process. Thanks and please keep up the good work.
Mark Novak my only critique is when you split the forend lengthwise. I would have found a way to hide a fastener spanning the glue joint to keep it from torquing back. Of course this is only viable if there is enough “meat” to let the torqued fastener disperse it’s load evenly.
I'm surprised that a replacement stock would be that expensive. Don't you have @10hrs of labor in this one?
A piece of wood that obstinate needs to be replaced. It warped, horribly, is not consistent in hardness and grain, it should never have been used for a fine gun. But, if the client says fix the stock and won't consider a replacement, then that's what ya do. And a very good job you did of it.
Whoa. I can't imagine fighting a piece of wood that hard. Those rifles are sure lucky you love them so much.
I think the problem is that it's too soft rather than too hard.
Zane Blaire Humor comprehension is better
@Zane Blaire ah ok, I see what you mean. In fact, his grammar is incorrect and he calls the wood 'hard', not the effort. So the comprehension problem is his.
@@garymitchell5899 Gary. You need something man, idk what though. Go for a walk or do some hobby work.
Hey Mr."Mock"! At 81, I usually feel lousy! But watching your videos helps keep my mind off my aches & pains & I do seem to feel better! Thank God for people like YOU! Wow, what a "pesadia" (spelling? Spanish for nightmare I believe!)!! Checkering - while I do understand the "why" of it, I personally don't care for it because it seems to "obliterate" the grain of nice wood. The beautiful grain seems to "get lost" in the checkering. Plain wood, OK. It obviously takes a LOT of patience & steadiness of hand "& mind" to do good checkering! Never got to try it, but my bad arthritis says I never will either! Misspent youth I guess!! Thank you again, you ol' "paisano" you! I assume you are of Italian heritage!! I've never found out the whereabouts of "Vinnie Boombazie & his little paisanos"! "Gesundheit"!!!!!
Great to have you aboard sir. Thanks
Wow!!! Ive seen 2 of your videos now, and am now subscribed. That's some very fascinating work you do. Im an electrician by trade as well as an auto mechanic and currently an industrial maintenance tech, however, have an affinity for minute details, tight tolerances and things being as close to perfection as possible. That's why im a future machinist and got hooked on your channel after 1.5 episodes. Add to that my desire to be a proficient gun enthusiast, and your channel is better than the Saturday morning cartoons i use to watch in thw 80s. That said. I have an awesome gun my grandfather left me upon hus passing in 1996. It was given to him (Dr. Charles D. Leach) as a retirement gift from Clarion University of Pennsylvania, where he was president in the late 70s and early 80s. Anyhow, it was rather well known my grandad, Dr. Leach was a pure gun enthusiast and sharpshooter, who held (and i believe still does) shooting records at the University. So the idea of gifting him a gun was perfectly fitting. Its an over/under 20 ga made by Beretta, model BL-4 and serial number 5- The 5th gun off Beretta's line. Its a truly beautiful piece and a pure pleasure to shoot. However, one dreary day, roughly 23yrs ago in small game season here in west PA, a friend and I went hunting. Afterwards, i wasn't really in much of a position to travel with the gun 10 minutes back home, so arranged to store it in my friend's closet (after i cleaned it of course). Well my "friend" decided to take it back out hunting- without my permission of course- the very next day. Needless to say, when i picked my gun up the following day, he instantly became a former friend/borderline enemy. Apparently (as he never would tell me) he either; A) stuck the barrel in a hole and shot, or B) was too close to another shooter who shot the end of the top barrel. I have inquired many times throughout the last 23yrs to various gunsmiths, machinists etc to about having it fixed, only to either be turned down, gamed or decide that person isnt the best for the job. See where im going? I would be forever grateful to you if you would be willing to take a look and perhaps take it on as a job. The gun is still able to be shot without any problems aside from the peep sight missing.
A lot to unpack here. BL4, hosed upper barrel. Send photos to markfixesguns@gmail.com please. Put BL4 in the subject line
@@marknovak8255 WOW! I certainly will do that. Thank you very much..
A true craftsman love the work you’ve done, patience and expertise
It's nice to see that there are still people that want things done right, than just overnight.
The amount of guts to take this kind of work... Wow.
I know it's "just an old gun", and even considering it would be way less stressful to make new stock from scratch you just made it out beautifully. Hope she shoots nicely.
Thank you for the video.
That piece of wood is possessed, best burn it at the stake.
I'd get a new walnut stock blank for the ol girl if the orignal wood fought me that hard. Amazing work keeping it original.
A real labor of love. The results turned out great cosmetically, so I hope it works out functionally. Thank you!
Of all the amazing things I've seen Mark pull of since being on RUclips, by far the most impressive achievement was telling the story of this rifle and not using the word CLUSTER!
Now there is a repair you don't see every day. When Mark, starts thinking, he doesn't even know what "the box" is. No limits on this man!
To Mark, I think that "the box" is what the gun came in!
Well working with wood most of my life, as well as steaming wood for Dog Sleds, Snowshoes, I can understand this was a major task and applaud your stick-to-itiveness. Which I know was a major feather in your cap when you finally got it to stabilize. Great work, as always.
Thanks. I had shipwright help and advice also. Even they were "damn"........
If you could turn back the clock, see where that piece of wood came from? I'm gonna bet it was a branch, not from the trunk.
Love these trips down the rabbithole.
Wood that fuzzy isn't right for a fine rifle in the first place. No wonder it wandered all over the place.
Hi Mark, I've got a 13 foot Birch wood canoe that pulls to the left too. Mind if I bring it by for your steam tank, sectioning and checkering too? Give me a quote...
Amazing skills Mark. another rifle saved....
hoi
Wanted, nice piece of walnut for a stock.
Here, use this. **hands over a banana shaped branch**
I said NICE.
Yes, you do beautiful work Mark. 👍
Mr. Novak, there's trick for straitening a stock like that, that I learned from a Midwayusa video. You carve a trough down the bottom of the barrel channel deep enough to hold a stiff metal rod, but wider than the rod. You glass in the rod only at the receiver end of that channel with the rod crooked in the channel and the forend end of the rod against the side of the forend you want to move over. When the glass sets, you stick a wedge between the rod and the forend on the side of the rod with the end closest to the stock, that is the side you want to move the stock over to. As you move the wedge up the gap between the rod and the stock, from the wide receiver end of the gap to the narrow forend end of the gap, you will force the forend of the stock over. When you've got it where you want it, just glass over it and it will stay put.
Why did you do it like that? I would have just bent the barrel to match the stock.
That was actually pretty funny
There must be alot of history in that rifle. Thanks for the video.
Fantastic work! However, wouldn't making a completely new stock have been an option here? Or did the owner specifically ask to keep the old stock?
It's like my great, great grandfather's hammer. The handle has been replaced 5 times and the head twice.
@@donnyboon2896 except that this was the original barrel and stock.
What a privilege it must be to serve your apprenticeship with Mark Novak.
That Mauser sure is lucky to have you Mark.
I am salivating in hopes of your updated checkering video. I learned a lot from your last video, and have started buying rifles and sporting shotguns that I normally would have passed on because I am more confident if checkering is needed.
Reminds me a bit of the pair of shotguns my Granddad had on his farm - beautiful guns. Sadly he passed away many years ago and we had to get rid of them due to license restrictions in the UK.
Why get rid of them? Shotguns are so easy to get a licence for, there's clay target clubs all over
@@JoeWalker98 I was young, Mum's decision not mine!
Stockmaker Bredvold and his father were some of the first to bed the stocks in the 50s ,the material they used then collapsed so had to layer it . Then epoxy bedding material came and a whole new ear came . How many Olympic,Champion medals his stocks have taken in numerous types of sport is only the Great Reloader who knows .
And many a hunting and match tour have been saved due to proper bedding also .
Now this is a projekt. All it takes is one man. The man.
As always, a pleasure.
Thank you
I have one of those in 9.3x62 , a man at work had it for sale , for $150.00 , he was stationed in Germany in the 1950s and brought the gun back with him , he was climbing down from his deer stand a few years later and fell , busted the stock , he put one of the black plastic wal mart looking things on it , some day I would like to put a nice walnut stock on it , but they cost more than I gave for the rifle ,
look at boyd's stocks. they are a good place to start
SARCO has very interesting odd's and ends, just never know?
Earlier this year I came across a 7mm Mauser that had been very well sporterized similar to the one in the video, nothing like the work I've seen you do but still, this wasn't no bubba job. They refinished the original stock and put on an ebony fore end tip, shortened the barrel and installed a fine brass bead front sight, removed the rear sight base completely and put on a lyman adjustable sight similar to that rifle's and installed an aftermarket trigger. I think they said it was a Timney but I don't recall. I bought the gun because I like 7mm Mauser and it's also an example of how people used to modify surplus guns into hunting tools back when that sort of thing was cheaper than a new hunting rifle. It's also an example of a time when gunsmiths were actually smiths and finding someone to do work like that was a lot easier than today.
How much was it, if you don't mind me asking?
@@garymitchell5899 $375-ish I think.
It's kind of funny how the modifications of a historical object are now historical themselves. Forgotten weapons had a video of a 16th century pistol that was commonly replicated (or forgerized) in the 1800s. Now the forgeries are collectible, too.
Bighoss762 from what I've gathered this wasn't a sporterized rifle. It's an 1899 commercial production with a 2 digit serial number. Someone probably has some sentimental attachment to it or really just wanted to keep as much original hardware intact as possible. Or they just have money to burn and wanted what they want.
@@bigghoss762 damn, you got a steal if the wood work is as nice as it sounds!
I think I would have picked it up, too!
TWO YEARS!!? ... holy crap, talking about patience!. 😮
Was it because that stock was original that you didn't just say "f* it" and get a new stock?
If the stock was that uneven from sanding etc I'd go for a restock if budget allowed. There's no originality issue as the stock was butchered, split, reglued then checkered! I'm with the others, get a new walnut stock the reshape & checker that one. When you can see the labor bill streaking past $1k it seems to make sense to not polish a turd, just flush & start fresh instead.
This was the same perplexion I had watching this-
Budget would be better with new! I bet this was about Being Original.
Whuff, that was a journey.
Fingers crossed the wood is done doing it's thing and won't bow that badly again!
Working with wood, I really appreciated this video. Watch most of your videos and really enjoy them.
the checkering thing is so far beyond normal i am unable to imagine, i do remember in one of your other videos a young female apprentice looked to be doing very well with it. good luck and good health, enjoy the memorial day weekend
wow. a true master craftsman at work
You do marvelous checkering. Great work. Fuzzy wood is a pain,. I used to practice on old pick ax handles and dealt with a lot of fuzzy wood. I think, since I lack your patience, after the second attempt to straighten the stock I would have just found a new blank and made a new stock.
Something tells me the original host tree had a curve to it, when it took the fall it lost her set and went back to the original host tree bend
Good job my friend!
You are the Anti-Entropy Ninja. Right On !
Beautiful work Mark! Only patience and time can truly fix problems like this.
That or a better stock blank
@@Pest789 But that wouldn't take two years at $100/hour.
I saw a video where Larry Potterfield from Midway had a similar situation. He sank a metal bar and a wedge in to the barrel channel and wedged it straight. Then he buried the rod and the wedge with bedding compound so they would be forever trapped.
Why did the owner choose to save that basket case of a stock? I'm assuming they've given some value real or otherwise to it?
That piece of wood had a big middle finger pointed at you that whole time. lol Glad you were able to show it who's boss at least. hahaha
You have the-patience of a Saint...my go-to rifle is a Carl-Gustaf 6.5x55 in a custom-stock , timney-trigger , cock-on-opening fast-lock-time bolt-conversion topped-off with a Period Pecar scope . I prefer it over my Sako 6.5x55 AV which weighs a ton Dave nz
So what's the reason for stocks "walking out"? Moisture?
Possibly from a stressed position in the tree when it was growing, but mildly surprised it took so long to warp assuming it didn't start warping in the early part of the last century
Somebody has gotta let Mark know that restocking it would have been faster and easier. You know for next time.
Restocking may have been faster, but this was a repair job not a replace job.
@@thomastheisman1751 I was being extremely sarcastic lol. It seems many think just replacing the stock was some obscure idea Mark never even thought of.
@@chickenfishhybrid44 if at the beginning he knew what a pain it would be he might have done that.
Once you start a repair though it becomes a challenge you are determined to overcome.
@@cardiffpicker1 i was being sarcastic. Making fun of all the people that just keep replying "should of just replaced the stock" as if it's some unheard of idea...
@@chickenfishhybrid44 I know you were being sarcastic, but in the end you were probably still right.
No guarantee the repair will hold with all the trouble he had with it.
That's some thoughtful and beautiful work!
Beautiful work
Nice job looks a lot better than when you got it I have wood do that to in home building and on guns. I had a Rem 600 that was super accurate but the stock moved around like a 6 month old puppy I built a from scratch fiberglass stock worked out great it’s a tack driver but I still prefer good wood.
Pillar sleeve the wood and get the best of both worlds. Just sayin
Superb job sirs, bravo.
All I can say is you sir are a master if your trade
As “nice” as the wood is and as nice as it is to keep the original wood, from the sounds of it the wood was crap. At what point do you toss in the towel and build a new stock out of a hand selected blank? If this took two years I’d think that it would be cheaper for the customer and your time to go that route. A blank of similar or even nicer grain could be selected to built in a few weeks.
Not questioning your methods here just wondering really. Did the customer want the old stick for a specific reason. Sounds like that wood just does not want to be a gun stock.
Apparently, this was grandpa's stalking rifle, so *significant* emotional and sentimental value in the old wood. 1899 production, serial number 68. No military proof/property marks, so was a sporter from word go.
Also, from what Mark has posted, this was 40% the cost of a new stock at the end of the video.
At what point would it be more cost-effective to get a new stock? Or even make a new stock?
I'd say after the second attempt to steam it straight but I'm sure the owner has their reason for wanting to repair this stock.
Roger J - must have sentimental value. A stock with that much correction work losers some collector value.
Fantastic! This clip's been mudcattin' on me for 4 hours!
What caused the stock to bend?
Most likely it was moisture or a bad piece of wood to begin with.
Fantastic, good job. Interesting methodology and enjoyable to watch. Thank you.
New stock? ✔ oh NO 130 years old , 3 lbs keep it that way!👍
Not only did this man meand this gun back to geather but he left it with a nice varnish dishin
Have you ever heard of soaking wood in ammonia? A fellow told me that you could do that to a pop sickle stick and then tie it in a knot. I have not tried it, but it would be interesting to try.
that's interesting
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This is the old mauser you were doing the old stock checkering videos on?
Looks damned good... Glad to see you were able to drag it back from eating itself.
Neat little rifle, thanks for showing us.
So the barrel wasn't bent just the stock? Some of those initial pics were playing with my eyes
What kind of wood was that? That project looked like a bear. I don’t have your experience, I thought you were going to have to restock it.
Hey Mark, what do you do to solve the issues of fuzzy wood when checkering? Do you oil and re cut? Or just oil it in and it calms down? I had used super glue on a stock recently right before oiling and it seemed to keep the fluff down and the diamonds sharp. Cheers from Oz.
Super glue does not take stain, so while it works well, I don't like how it finishes
Brush it hard, then oil at the end, and it will lay down and stay there
Thanks for the advice Mark :) what finish are you using to fill checkering? Just Danish oil?
Just goes to show how important selection of quality wood with a straight grain is to avoid problems of warping like this.
That's not a stock, that's firewood.
Damn a shit ton of work to save that stalk wouldn't have made more sense just to make a new stalk for him
You may be "average" at many things, but you make quite the artist.
help a fella out here and explain why the stoke distorts like that. i would of thought when it was steamed like that and taken a set. it would take years to walk off to one side again.
I would be thinking new stock. I probably could not afford the repair
To be fair, who could have foreseen the stock putting up this much of a fight? As my Granpappy used to say, "In for a penny, in for a pound."
I'm sure keeping the gun original was part of the deal from the beginning. Pre WW1 gun he said.
@@chickenfishhybrid44 must have been, but that stock was borked from the factory.
@@ScottKenny1978 yep, seems that way. If it's someone's dead Grandpas or something they probly don't care
@@chickenfishhybrid44 Spend thousands of dollars on a $200 repair, and his grandfather is still dead. It's more disrespectful to be ripped off.
I must say wood's pretty much a mystery to me. Mechanically, I'd be tempted to cut a kerf vertically on the long side to relieve the push over to the short side. Too much to disguise?
Well done. Your patience must be made of stone.
I see that the armchair gunsmiths were out in force on this video. Ignore those guys, and keep the great working coming!
man, that'd suck to keep getting those kind of results. for 2 years. great final result though.
I bet there was a heck of a windage adjustment done to bring the point of impact back.
It probably wasn't shot much in it's previous condition but even it it were the sights are not attached to the wood so it wouldn't really make a difference.
No bet.
You are beyond persistent. Your downright stubborn.
Clearly that is a classic action in what must be original wood. You and the customer must have your reasons. To me a new stock would make sense.
Beautiful work as usual. Is that stock Original to the rifle? And would that be why you didn't recommend re stocking it?
Very nice work, just curious if you get the time to answer, what kind of glue do you use? I ask because at one time I worked on fine furniture and you do fine work.
On crack repairs he usually uses acraglas stock bedding epoxy with carbon black pigment added.
@@deckum23 Thanks!
Murphy's law doesn't apply in Marks shop...
That's an interesting experience, did you learn anything useful?
Freaking banana man. Never would have known how to fix that. Really cool video
Amazing work. Great vid also!!!
What a nightmare.
Just found your channel, it’s amazing keep up the good work! What state is your shop in?
SC, Charleston
Are you sure it wasn't a stocking rifle?
Did the original wood blank have an oddball growth pattern causing it to pull?
when you leave your truck gun under the seat and forget about it for a couple of decades...
The guys in the comments say it was his grandpappies most treasured possession, so that's unlikely.
@@garymitchell5899 You really need to learn the human habit of "humor."
@@TheRealColBosch Well they were serious, and I'm joking about it, so I think I'm good on the humour front thanks.
I was gonna complain about you using a pencil as a pointer and marking up stuff with the graphite, but I feel like you probably do it on purpose just to mess with people like me at this point :P
The real issue with pencils isn't the graphite; They leave a definite groove/indent if they are pressed at all. The yellow makes it stand out very well as a pointer, when you are teaching. Only mark with it on surfaces that will be well sanded. That's what I know about pencils after building stuff for 40+ years, just sayin.....
Boy have I got a story to tell you guys (insert dun nuh, nah nuh blues riff)...
Outstanding! (lol)
But what cause the initial bowing of the stock? Just age and humidity?
The wood was probably not correctly seasoned when it was selected as a blank. Wood is a living thing, and it will go where it damn well pleases, as evidenced in this case
From selfbow building, we know there can be a thing called compression wood and tension wood depending on how it grew on the tree. Horizontal limbs are a prime candidate for this. When the stock was shaped and inletted it then unlocks internal stresses even though the wood was dried moisture content wise. This same effect can be seen when ripping a board on a table saw when the side away from the fence opens the sawcut.
I think. stock vas replaced in the past with the wrong kinda wood. it was much easier just replacing it.
If only he would have thought of that. Replacing the stock, brilliant.
@@chickenfishhybrid44 I am sure he did but the owner may not want to be replaced
problem is after repairs stock is not original any more and it may not be the original stock to start with
@@artiz32000 not always about money. I imagine the gun has to have some kind of sentimental value.
@@chickenfishhybrid44 sure. I told you replacing the stock is up to the owner
You never know until you start digging into it
Look Super to me....Thanks my friend....!