It's Time To Make A Body For The Land Speed Car

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  • @RonaldFinger
    @RonaldFinger 4 месяца назад +1058

    As someone who LOVES doing fiberglass work, I'm really excited to see this body be built!

    • @panic_button
      @panic_button 4 месяца назад +110

      Back to fixing the workshop now, Finger

    • @AITF045
      @AITF045 4 месяца назад +70

      Make the workshop out of fiberglass

    • @ridiculousthings4x4
      @ridiculousthings4x4 4 месяца назад +78

      As someone who HATES fibreglass. I'm excited to see someone else do it 👍

    • @Muffin.Creations
      @Muffin.Creations 4 месяца назад +30

      Kid named Finger what are you doing here

    • @JSCB-365
      @JSCB-365 4 месяца назад +17

      I am a composites technician for wind turbine blades. I was thinking the same thing. I can't wait to see him make these parts.

  • @travisolander4749
    @travisolander4749 4 месяца назад +279

    "if i need new parts, i'll just re-do the whole process" I felt that in my bones.

    • @OperationDarkside
      @OperationDarkside 4 месяца назад +1

      I feel it in my fingers,
      I feel it in my bones.

  • @pipsport3198
    @pipsport3198 4 месяца назад +573

    Im on the Penn State FSAE Aerodynamics team. Can confirm that the pink insulating foam from the hardware store is the way to go. We do all of our airfoils with it. It mills (and hot wires) very nicely.

    • @Turbochargedtwelve
      @Turbochargedtwelve 4 месяца назад +30

      I’ve done both and tooling block is so much nicer to work with, you can sand it you can put body filler in it (and sand some more) you don’t have to use special primer, epoxy doesn’t melt it, acetone doesn’t melt it. It’s more durable, you can seal to it (once primed) it has better dimensional stability, you can put smaller features in it to add bond gaps and trim lines. Sooo much better.

    • @silasmayes7954
      @silasmayes7954 4 месяца назад +15

      Seen people make RC planes with a CNC using that foam, so I do believe it will work well.

    • @Turbochargedtwelve
      @Turbochargedtwelve 4 месяца назад +3

      I’ve done both and tooling block is so much nicer to work with, you can sand it you can put body filler on it (and sand some more) you don’t have to use special primer, epoxy doesn’t melt it, acetone doesn’t melt it. It’s more durable, you can seal to it (once primed) it has better dimensional stability, you can put smaller features in it to add bond gaps and trim lines. Sooo much better.

    • @samyoule
      @samyoule 4 месяца назад +16

      You should read his book on formula sae if you havent already. He won design comp at oklahoma. Its called racecar: searching for the limit in formula sae

    • @DWplays
      @DWplays 4 месяца назад +5

      Tooling block is the way to go

  • @martylawson1638
    @martylawson1638 4 месяца назад +167

    "Pink foam" has a big advantage, Acetone dissolves it. (also polyester resins, so only use epoxy) So I've seen a lot of write ups of people making bicycle fairings by shaping a block of pink foam, doing wet layup n bagging with fiberglass/carbon, then dissolving the foam plug out.

    • @_zzpza
      @_zzpza 4 месяца назад +8

      I think the YT channel "Hack-a-day" did this to create a petrol tank for one of his bikes.

    • @petergamache5368
      @petergamache5368 4 месяца назад +21

      Learned this the hard way: spray-painting pink foam (after CNC profiling) is dangerous. Get too close and the solvents won't flash off before landing on the foam, and if that happens, your carefully-carved surface finish now looks like the moon.

    • @NotbobStarkiller
      @NotbobStarkiller 4 месяца назад +12

      This is basically how we used to do the bodywork (especially the nose cone) on our university's Formula SAE car. Though instead of dissolving all of it, they'd carve out the bulk of the foam plug manually with power tools and *several* vacuums, then dissolve out any of the tricky or stuck bits. While messy, its a fairly simple way of doing it.

    • @GunganWorks
      @GunganWorks 4 месяца назад +3

      I will cast a vote in favor of Dow blue foam over Cornings pink foam, as it is just a bit smoother to carve and hotwire-but blue/pink foam is far superior to any other method I have tried.

    • @pkeck2
      @pkeck2 4 месяца назад +3

      You can build a quick foam core composite layup with pink foam at the center, and good duck tape on the outside as the skins (like 3M or gorilla brand).
      It isn't terribly rigid; but it is nearly indestructible. Pink and blue foam are pretty brittle and weak, even when fiberglassed; but if you do a layer of tape on both sides instead of FRP, it's extremely tough and difficult to break.
      And you can make very smooth curves if you cover one side in tape, bend the foam so that the taped side is being bent outward/convex, and then tape up the inside and attach it to a frame.
      It has the perks of zero curing time, zero resin mixing, and immediate results.

  • @aaronf8710
    @aaronf8710 4 месяца назад +513

    I wanna see Matt do the fiber glass

    • @piccalillipit9211
      @piccalillipit9211 4 месяца назад +10

      HAHAHAHAHAH said by a man who has used fibreglass.

    • @jenibond
      @jenibond 4 месяца назад +6

      NA ! needs use carbon fiber its much nastier and hardwork !!! 10x the cost and about 2 lbs light after all the extra work !

    • @Norweeg
      @Norweeg 4 месяца назад +3

      Better than doing glass fiber. I hear it’s tough to smoke.

    • @hairyneil
      @hairyneil 4 месяца назад +3

      I'm looking forward to see what he does to the Jag next after the fiberglass pisses him off haha

    • @lemmy9996
      @lemmy9996 4 месяца назад +2

      So much pain!!🤣🤣

  • @colinhyde1951
    @colinhyde1951 4 месяца назад +18

    Hey Matt, I worked for many years at an Industrial Design company in Montreal, Canada. We designed & built quite a few vehicle prototypes over the years. The bodies were always fiberglass. One method that worked really well for "one off's" was to literally carve the body shape from urethane foam blocks. The blocks can be cut up & attached to the structure of the car. The blocks can be bonded together with urethane insulation spray foam cans from the big box store. This boding method allows you to carve & sand the body "buck" without having variations due to typical adhesives. Once the shape is completed, we would apply fiberglass directly on top of the foam. As the foam is urethane, it doesn't dissolve due to the styrene in the FRP resin. The shape will be exactly the same as the foam, but offset by the thickness of the fiberglass layup. Once the thickness desired was achieved, we let it cure completely, then carved all of the foam out from the inside, which oddly enough leaves you with a pretty smooth interior finish. The body is then cut up to suit the various component segments, ie nose, roof, tail etc. This method would also help you with maintaining the windshield shape relative to the remainder of the body. The exterior surface is then smoothed out using bondo etc using the typical body shop methods, then painted. As we were doing it this way many years ago, without access to CAD & 5 axis milling machines, the result was very "artistic", however I would imagine these days you could find someone to mill these blocks individually using your body shape cad files, then stick them together to create the overall shape. Both sides would be mirror images of each other. Fine tuning of the buck can still happen after the assembly of the blocks with sanding blocks. I believe this will be the fastest & most accurate method you could create your body. Good luck with your project! PS I am also a car guy & a race car guy, however the racing I was involved in 30+ years ago was production road racing in the summer & ice racing cars on the frozen lakes of Quebec & Ontario in the winter.................big crazy thrills : )

  • @foobar201
    @foobar201 4 месяца назад +194

    I come from the RC airplane world and immediately thought that fin would be an excellent place to put a control surface attached to a basic gyro. This could let you get away with a smaller fin since it could actively work against side slip. Of course it also gives you the exciting possibility of nearly dying due to a malfunctioning servo or gyro, but you might gain a little bit of speed.

    • @906MediaProductions
      @906MediaProductions 4 месяца назад +64

      Double redundant motors and gyros and now you're more reliable than a 737 Max.

    • @redwaller1
      @redwaller1 4 месяца назад +15

      Better yet have it cable controlled by the steering as that's cheaper and easier.

    • @Ultrazaubererger
      @Ultrazaubererger 4 месяца назад +4

      @@redwaller1 The RC stuff is comparably cheap, but I'm not sure if there are RC servos strong enough.

    • @GrandDawggy
      @GrandDawggy 4 месяца назад +5

      I was just wondering about how useful some kind of active aero might be before I read this

    • @Argosh
      @Argosh 4 месяца назад +4

      ​@@906MediaProductionsthat hurt, and I'm an Airbus fan boy...

  • @screaminlordbyron7767
    @screaminlordbyron7767 4 месяца назад +208

    Being a long time fan of this channel, I'm surprised this didn't lead to a large scale 3D printer project lol

    • @martinshoosterman
      @martinshoosterman 4 месяца назад +1

      3D prints aren't smooth?

    • @RobM184
      @RobM184 4 месяца назад +27

      It has, he just didn't want to tell future Matt yet

    • @KnowledgePerformance7
      @KnowledgePerformance7 4 месяца назад +14

      This is true, but it's not difficult to treat the surface and get it just as good as fiberglass

    • @nelsonglover3963
      @nelsonglover3963 4 месяца назад +17

      ​@@martinshoostermancouple of quick coats of epoxy coating resin and a polish and you've got a lovely surface for low tech composite moulds

    • @Daweim0
      @Daweim0 4 месяца назад +1

      Is there a printer large enough which doesn't cost a fortune to use?

  • @Hossdelux
    @Hossdelux 4 месяца назад +101

    The sequence at 15:10 is my peak favorite kind of comedy. Thank you for always executing your jokes so well. I'm so excited for every update of this project. I will get a car to Bonneville one day.

    • @namenmalkav
      @namenmalkav 4 месяца назад +1

      the little shot with the hand pistol at the end. :glory:

    • @torstenpearson1996
      @torstenpearson1996 4 месяца назад

      @@namenmalkav he got me good with that one

  • @user-ms9yb9gd5d
    @user-ms9yb9gd5d 4 месяца назад +19

    Matt In my 18 years of racing and modifying my VariEze aircraft, I have had a ton of experience on making plugs designed to lay up over. I used easily shaped 2 inch thick urethane foam. sandwiched between bulkheads. Depending on the curvature I would have bulkheads about evert 4 to 12 inches. Next sandwich the foam between the bulkheads using a hot glue gun. At this point the foam is sticking out past the bulkheads. Keep the glue inside of the bulkheads or it will be a pain when you start cutting and shaping the unwanted foam away. Next take a knife and carve away the foam till you about .150 inches away from the bulkheads. Use 40 grit sandpaper remove the last of the foam to the bulkheads. To do this use adhesive backed sandpaper stuck to flexible sanding boards. The tighter the radius the more flexible your sanding board needs to be. If you go a bit too far it is no problem because the next step is to cover it with drywall compound! then use 80 down to 400 grit sandpaper to do the final shape. Then go back and sand in any low areas where you intend to overlap the body to join it to another section. Also, for addental ply's where it is fastened to the body. you want to leave room, so you don't have to add ply's after the part is built. Once you are happy with the shape spray the thing with MANY thin of coats of PVA, allowing ample drying time between coats. Then wax it a bunch of times. Do not use vacuum infusion it will crush the plug. Use epoxy with slow cure hardener and around 4 to 6 plys Bid Fiberglass RA5277 bidirectional glass. You want to finish your layup with Peel Ply. It will cause the plys to laydown much better. one cured it peels off leaving no sharp fibers and the filler is ready to apply with no sanding.

  • @maxu8309
    @maxu8309 4 месяца назад +28

    A 19 minute Superfastmatt video is such a gift

  • @EricInCalgary
    @EricInCalgary 4 месяца назад +70

    Looking at your design It seems your calculations are based on the fact that the skin is totally rigid. If any part of the skin starts to oscillate in and out (like the top of a jar of jam after it has been opened once) you might find a different aerodynamic reaction. It might help to have some sort of a honeycomb material glued to the inside. Just a thought.

    • @SuperfastMatt
      @SuperfastMatt  4 месяца назад +57

      I’ll add reinforcement thickness in some areas where it doesn’t cause the body to stick out more. Probably with a 5mm foam core

    • @davidaugustofc2574
      @davidaugustofc2574 4 месяца назад +6

      Also good to have extra fixation points. I haven't watched the full video yet, but you can import many Quick-Latches from China for cheap and they work wonders holding fiberglass body down

    • @crackedemerald4930
      @crackedemerald4930 4 месяца назад +12

      It would also probably be insanely noisy considering you're basically inside of a drum that yells at you

    • @GrandDawggy
      @GrandDawggy 4 месяца назад

      ​@@SuperfastMatt some internal ribbing perhaps? For her pleasure?

    • @MillerDoesIt
      @MillerDoesIt 4 месяца назад +8

      In rocket-land we call this flutter and you can squelch it with thickness or dimensionality (as you mentioned). You don't have to get fancy with foam core. You can use "rods/lengths" of semi-circle foam adhered to the interior of your lay-up which will allow you to crush them against your frame for proper fitment and then finalize with an interior layer of fiberglass to complete the matrix. E.g. - ruclips.net/video/2PsWqc6nBr4/видео.html @@SuperfastMatt

  • @arpinchock
    @arpinchock 4 месяца назад +45

    Regarding rivets and fasteners being exposed: When the US analyzed the MIG 25 that was used to defect to the US (by landing in Japan) they were shocked at how primitive it seemed to be put together: It used steel and a lot of the fasteners and bolts were exposed. They figured out where it made sense to smooth them out when not. See the Wikipedia article for more...

    • @Colt45hatchback
      @Colt45hatchback 4 месяца назад +3

      Wasnt the grumman wildcat like that aswell? I feel like ive heard someone say before that it only had flush riveting where it mattered the most, and regular rivets where it didnt matter so much

    • @MNIMWIUTBAS
      @MNIMWIUTBAS 4 месяца назад +7

      The front half of the F6F was flush riveted while the rear was standard. Drastically reduced cost and maintenance. @@Colt45hatchback

    • @nerd1000ify
      @nerd1000ify 4 месяца назад +1

      The Brits did the same with the spitfire, the story goes they built one fully flush riveted and then glued halves of peas on top of the rivets to simulate normal rivets for testing.

    • @nerd1000ify
      @nerd1000ify 4 месяца назад

      The Brits did the same with the spitfire, the story goes they built one fully flush riveted and then glued halves of peas on top of the rivets to simulate normal rivets for testing.

    • @nerd1000ify
      @nerd1000ify 4 месяца назад

      The Brits did the same with the spitfire, the story goes they built one fully flush riveted and then glued halves of peas on top of the rivets to simulate normal rivets for testing.

  • @SpecialEDy
    @SpecialEDy 4 месяца назад +29

    You could Vacuum Form the body. This would allow you to use Polycarbonate/Lexan on the nose, for better visibility through the front axle.
    Vacuum forming tables are very simple to DIY. Its basically a table with lots of holes, like an air hockey table, and a shop vac pulling the vacuum. You have a heating element above the table, you slide the sheet of plastic up near the heating element, and when it begins to droop, you slide it downwards onto the table. You just need a foam plug on the table to create the inside dimensions of the plastic panel you wish to create.

    • @d2doctor
      @d2doctor 4 месяца назад +6

      I was thinking the same, probably because I also hate fibreglass. A big vac former with cnc'd foam bucks would be very repeatable to make a few spare sets of bodywork. It'd probably take a while to dial the process in with heavy duty materials, but surely easier than fibreglass.

    • @Oldsmobile69
      @Oldsmobile69 4 месяца назад +3

      This is what I thought as well. Might have some rigidity issues, but he can use aluminum send-cut-send ribs to strenghten it.

    • @johnl5525
      @johnl5525 4 месяца назад +2

      Matt, this guy has the answer to your prayers against fiberglass.

  • @roflchopter11
    @roflchopter11 4 месяца назад +22

    Excellent video! Don't assume a body will fix all of your salt ingress problem. In my experience racing solar cars (at lower speeds in reasonable roads), road debris still gets all over everything.

  • @fantasticsound2085
    @fantasticsound2085 4 месяца назад +48

    I'm thinking you should collaborate with Xyla Foxlin on the body build. She's already laid up fiberglas and carbon fiber for several projects. She's definitely destroyed a mold or two in the pursuit of fiber parts. At least you'll have someone with a sunny disposition and a lot of useful knowledge to help you ensconce the burnt hulk of the land speed car in resin as a reminder to never work with fiberglas again. Well.. until the next time.

    • @babyeatingpsychopath
      @babyeatingpsychopath 4 месяца назад +4

      I was also thinking about Xyla's tribulations with fiberglass and carbon fiber layup. She did stuff with 3d printed sacrificial molds and also had release problems.
      Fiberglass is so terrible.

    • @techienate
      @techienate 4 месяца назад +7

      That's a collaboration I'd love to see!

    • @Mach1048
      @Mach1048 4 месяца назад +4

      I thought the same thing!
      I mean, the Landspeed car will end up bullet proof, but it would be great!

    • @acidarchivist
      @acidarchivist 4 месяца назад +2

      Yeah was just gonna say - she knows how to deal with that stuff well!

    • @Bristol1
      @Bristol1 4 месяца назад +2

      Came to the comments to say this too. Plus, she might be relatively close as I think you're both in SoCal?

  • @SenorYuk
    @SenorYuk 4 месяца назад +6

    I really love the Easy Composites channel. That would be a hell of a collab to make this bodyshell.

  • @connorbingel7134
    @connorbingel7134 4 месяца назад +4

    Something we do on latemodels to cover up our messes on the fiberglass bodies is to cover everything in vinyl. It covers up all the rivets and smooths the overlaps. It may be worth a shot for you and it’s pretty easy to apply especially if you have one or two people to help. You cut the paper backing in the middle and do one half of a sheet at a time

  • @cosmicinsane516
    @cosmicinsane516 4 месяца назад +6

    I have to say this seems like an enormous amount of work to go through to result in your fiery, fragmented, untimely demise. Your level of sarcasm and risk-adversity seems wildly appropriate for the task at hand.

  • @parrotraiser6541
    @parrotraiser6541 4 месяца назад +8

    One way to get parts out of fibreglass moulds is toinclude an air valve on the inside, and use compressed air to push the part out. (The reverse of air-bagging.

  • @joeldriver381
    @joeldriver381 4 месяца назад +39

    You should absolutely put dimples in it like a golf ball! ⛳

    • @SubTroppo
      @SubTroppo 4 месяца назад +5

      Or just go and play glolf. Or golf.

    • @channelofchannels7845
      @channelofchannels7845 4 месяца назад +4

      Its been done in NASCAR in the 60s and by mythbustes and been proven to work

    • @GoldenCroc
      @GoldenCroc 4 месяца назад +1

      ​@@channelofchannels7845I dont know about that... As far as I know, its been proven to work under specific circumstances, within specific parameters. I am not too sure this project fits those parameters.

    • @Splarkszter
      @Splarkszter 4 месяца назад +2

      ​@@channelofchannels7845 It doesn't work, otherwise planes would be golf balls.

    • @sgraham9511
      @sgraham9511 4 месяца назад +1

      @@Splarkszter Agreed. It was originally done on round bombs in WWII to skip across the water to hit land targets, I'm pretty sure that's before golf balls, but I'm not going to fact check.
      Some race boats have used it w/ moderate success, only on the planing pad though.

  • @oikkuoek
    @oikkuoek 4 месяца назад +5

    Fun fact about fiber glass: It's more aerodynamic in it's raw form, than glass/gel coat finish. The raw form works like a golf ball, creating a vortex layer on top of the fiberglass, so there's no separation between the surface and laminar flow. Another fun fact: if you add humps and bumps on the edges, these humps create hot spots for the air to separate, giving the separation drag less surface, thus making it less effective. So in a nutshell, the uglier your aero tub is, the faster it is. So, for a fast fiberglass aero tub, you need mounting points on the frame, bucks for the overall shape(foam and fresh foil) and a slight "high", then you lay the fiberglass and let it dry. remove the tub, carve out the buck(s), and voilá, the fastest aero tub is done. You can even glue the windows directly to the drying tub.

    • @fredygump5578
      @fredygump5578 4 месяца назад

      Are you talking about hand lay-up over a male mold? But he explained that he will do infusion on a female mold. So the surface finish will be the same, regardless of whether or not he applies a surface coat.

    • @oikkuoek
      @oikkuoek 4 месяца назад

      @@fredygump5578 Yup, just slap it on a buck, paint, decals and done in one weekend. trying to make any textured finish on a female mold is astronomically more complicated.

  • @anomamos9095
    @anomamos9095 4 месяца назад +1

    Tips
    Don’t forget about lift at high speed . A number of people have had serious accidents because they didn’t design to prevent and or contend with the vehicle lifting off the ground.
    There’s a thing called vacuforming where plastic is heated and sucked onto a form , or blown over it or both depending on the thickness of the material.
    Put wheel covers on to reduce drag.

  • @tomeisberg2356
    @tomeisberg2356 4 месяца назад +1

    Man, I never regret clicking on your videos. If I'm being totally honest the off road viper has always been my primary interest here, but whatever it is that you're working on you make it super interesting and entertaining. Legend.

  • @nyalsewell
    @nyalsewell 4 месяца назад +3

    We need a “CFD” analysis of how much liking and subscribing actually helps. You say it helps “a lot”, but that is vague, we wanna see numbers.
    Mostly kidding, freakin love your channel.

    • @zrobotics
      @zrobotics 4 месяца назад +1

      the conversion is 50 likes = 1 speed parts sticker. And I assume we all know how many mph a sticker adds.

  • @Iowa599
    @Iowa599 4 месяца назад +12

    You skipped the biggest difficulty of aero bodies.
    Not only do you need to fit in the body, you need to be able to get out of it without destroying it!

    • @briancavanagh7048
      @briancavanagh7048 4 месяца назад

      Ejection seat!

    • @Iowa599
      @Iowa599 4 месяца назад

      @@briancavanagh7048 those start with jettisoning the canopy, so I doubt the canopy survives an ejection event.
      Though, the idea of a fighter jet plane-like canopy could work, maybe. They don't always eject. The sun would be hot, but the canopy wouldn't need to be entirely a window.
      But, all panels gaps have cost. So make the whole thing in one piece, with a giant 3D printer, around the chassis, powertrain, and driver. The whole thing will be the new home of the driver, until after the event. I guess you would need port holes, to feed the driver (&stuff), but those could be flush.

  • @fordyootbling2189
    @fordyootbling2189 4 месяца назад +1

    Just a suggestion - Easy Composites in the UK do some excellent training videos. Worth a watch. Have you looked at a 'splitter' under the nose of the car? Enjoying all your efforts, please keep up the good work. Covid sucks.

  • @tetrakite
    @tetrakite 4 месяца назад +4

    You can also cover the bike with "pink foam" and shape it using hot wire (or with the help of a surf shaper). You can put your carbon/epoxy mats over it, and remove the foam after . Surfs and windsurfs are made like that (but they keep the foam inside)

  • @tartarsauce447
    @tartarsauce447 4 месяца назад +30

    Also notice if you go over 100m/s you have to take the compressability of air into account.

    • @davidaugustofc2574
      @davidaugustofc2574 4 месяца назад +3

      That's mostly solved by letting the air have a way to move sideways as well as up/down, that's why you have planes with tapered wings.
      In the case of this car, the frontal areas being really small will do the trick

    • @adityatadoori8989
      @adityatadoori8989 4 месяца назад +11

      I think you would have to convert into mph to get it to him

    • @Wannes_
      @Wannes_ 4 месяца назад

      @@adityatadoori8989 that's over 220 mph

    • @adityatadoori8989
      @adityatadoori8989 4 месяца назад +2

      @@Wannes_ r/woosh?

  • @BlackBird-nn2yc
    @BlackBird-nn2yc 4 месяца назад +6

    maybe you should colab with Xyla Foxlin? She does a lot with fiberglass and epoxy

  • @peterarmstrong3676
    @peterarmstrong3676 4 месяца назад +2

    Over here in Australia there is mob called 4WDetail that sell a product called chassis shield. It's used for protecting the underbody of your 4wd on the beach etc. Basically the salty sand doesn't stick to it. I'd imagine that would be great for the salt flats too.

  • @MrFunnyDad2024
    @MrFunnyDad2024 4 месяца назад +2

    Who lives in a garage and works with cars?
    Matt Superfast!
    Technical and humorist and porous is he.
    Matt Superfast!
    If automotive nonsense be something you crave.
    Matt Superfast!
    Then step on the gas and drive like your brave!
    Matt Superfast!
    Matt Superfast!
    Matt Superfast!

  • @JohnThawley
    @JohnThawley 4 месяца назад +4

    I’ve been waiting for this video so long I might just watch it twice.

  • @FreekaPista
    @FreekaPista 4 месяца назад +3

    This project has been awesome to watch, easily my favorite on the channel since the EV Jag

  • @isaacplaysbass8568
    @isaacplaysbass8568 4 месяца назад

    Always fascinating, but I really enjoyed the mix of the main content with your regular delivery, followed by the slightly more informal "musings" at the end.
    Fab :)

  • @AyJayR28
    @AyJayR28 4 месяца назад +1

    5:01 : I’ve always wanted to go to the Bonneville marshmallow flats!!

  • @karsnoordhuis4351
    @karsnoordhuis4351 4 месяца назад +3

    If you do go with fiberglass, try to integrate the fastners in the fiberglass so you get a nice and flush panel. You could try do do the same with the HDPE by 'welding' them on.

  • @Ted_Ventures
    @Ted_Ventures 4 месяца назад +3

    God I love this channel, please never stop

  • @mitchell87ification
    @mitchell87ification 4 месяца назад +1

    I like the less scripted "extra chat" at the end. Felt super genuine.

    • @sz1341
      @sz1341 4 месяца назад

      Yes! Got so excited for More Unnecessary Rambling 16:08

  • @protator
    @protator 4 месяца назад +2

    Hey Matt, simply glue three pieces of MDF together and take care of the corner radius with a router. Plug for lower bodywork: done.
    And cnc routers love MDF, so there's a lot of potential to over-engineer things in an entertaining way^^

  • @janivo5218
    @janivo5218 4 месяца назад +6

    Have you thought about 3d Printing the fiberglass molds? I've seen quite a few people do that recently

    • @alessiocarlevaro6934
      @alessiocarlevaro6934 4 месяца назад +1

      it's way too big to be time efficient

    • @jackdeniston59
      @jackdeniston59 4 месяца назад +1

      Surface finish

    • @zibingotaeam3716
      @zibingotaeam3716 4 месяца назад +2

      ​@@alessiocarlevaro6934 depends on the printer. If you already have a printer, printing the mold allows you to step away and do something else.
      Making the mold the traditional way requires that you go to a hardware store, plan out what you need, buy it, take it home, make the plug, then make the mold from the plug.
      The 3D printer may take longer, but you don't need to watch it doing what it's doing, nor actively work on it.

    • @archielether5162
      @archielether5162 4 месяца назад +1

      @@jackdeniston59 a roatary sander and filler will deal with that fine

    • @janivo5218
      @janivo5218 4 месяца назад

      @@jackdeniston59 That isn't really too much of a problem, there are plenty of Videos out there with people building bodykits and similar with excellent surface finish

  • @skyfreakwi
    @skyfreakwi 4 месяца назад +1

    Instead of making a negative mold just make what you need. Make it 1/4 inch smaller than you need then need. Make your buck out of the pink foam you were talking about and fill in the curved areas where it gets tricky with expanding foam. Sculpt it out with a d/a sander and done!you can drape your fiberglass over it and bag it down tight. If you squeegee over the bag surface you can get more of the resin out and the bag will lock down tighter giving you a smoother surface finish. After that you can get coat or whatever it. Popping it off of the buck should be easy enough. Just dig the foam out or melt it down with a heat gun or acetone.

  • @RyanWithAviators
    @RyanWithAviators 4 месяца назад +2

    Interestingly enough, the method you're talking about is exactly how Mike Patey makes his airplane carbon fiber parts. I would suggest carbon fiber except for it's large cost, and also the fact that more weight in land speed racing is generally a good thing, to a point.

  • @LordPhobos6502
    @LordPhobos6502 4 месяца назад

    That plastic bender you showed us for like 0.67 seconds led me down a rabbit hole of 4 hours of youtube, googling, materials sourcing/research, and a probable redesign of my project vehicle.
    Good job.

  • @allareasindex7984
    @allareasindex7984 4 месяца назад +1

    Ed “Big Daddy” Roth sometimes used plaster of Paris which he hand carved, covered it with fiberglass, then pounded with a hammer to break up the plaster. Sometimes the piece was a closed shape and the plaster got trapped forever.

  • @pkeck2
    @pkeck2 4 месяца назад

    You can build a quick foam core composite layup with pink foam at the center, and good duck tape on the outside as the skins (like 3M or gorilla brand).
    It isn't terribly rigid; but it is nearly indestructible. Pink and blue foam are pretty brittle and weak, even when fiberglassed; but if you do a layer of tape on both sides instead of FRP, it's extremely tough and difficult to break.
    And you can make very smooth curves if you cover one side in tape, bend the foam so that the taped side is being bent outward/convex, and then tape up the inside and attach it to a frame.
    It has the perks of zero curing time, zero resin mixing, immediate results. It simplifies a TON of the process and gives you a rapid prototype.

  • @ethylead
    @ethylead 4 месяца назад +1

    Love watching your channel grow! Been watching for years and every video is always interesting no matter the topic. I love seeing all the crazy engineering challenges you torture yourself with.

  • @deepspeed5238
    @deepspeed5238 4 месяца назад

    Matt, you can increase the radius of your brake without modifying it or needing to build a jig! Use another strip of Lexan and leave it on the top leaf while you brake your panel! My brake has multiple “radius modifiers” in the form of strips of sheet at different thicknesses 👍
    Love the content by the way!

  • @grasshopper7760
    @grasshopper7760 4 месяца назад +1

    Thank you for sharing this amazing process!

  • @deltacx1059
    @deltacx1059 2 месяца назад

    9:48 with boats and quite a few modern cars the taper is truncated (and separation edges for cars ) are added to basically make the air or water make the shape for you in a way.

  • @joshhayes3433
    @joshhayes3433 4 месяца назад

    Makes me wish I went to school for ME instead of CS, very cool stuff! Also, the rambling at the end was cool, I liked the casual nature of it (somehow more casual than the rest of the video).

  • @TimTheInspector
    @TimTheInspector 4 месяца назад +1

    Have you seen the videos on The Arnold Company’s channel? They’re about building a super low drag airplane but there’s probably some useful insight for a land speed car body in there.

  • @user-xg7ed9fy9f
    @user-xg7ed9fy9f 4 месяца назад +1

    Just a crazy suggestion.... wire frame (especially along your defined edges) shrink wrap and do a wet lay-up onto this, Street Bandito style... then sand smooth with the aid of drywall filler, way easier to sand than Bondo

  • @lucagattoni-celli1377
    @lucagattoni-celli1377 4 месяца назад

    This is hands down one of my favorite channels of any kind and this particular video was really great. Keep the technical stuff coming.

  • @trevortrevortsr2
    @trevortrevortsr2 4 месяца назад

    Super interesting - in the mid 90's we modeled and tested in a real wind tunnel some 6 top cars in the Shell Eco-Marathon for analysis and found one like yours that had a dip between the front 2 wheels to channel air that then hit the screen and caused a high-pressure zone and drag - it was effectively cutting the air twice - once at the front and again at the screen - we concluded that was far less drag to do this cleanly in one action even though this would perhaps place the screen well forward of the driver. One of our team produced some highly aerodynamic shapes by Drape and Blow moulding - it was fascinating to see how using either pressure or vacuum complex compound 3D shapes evolved almost naturally

  • @JMGilberto
    @JMGilberto 4 месяца назад

    It's funny you plucked the salt off the tire, and immediately tasted it, because as I watched, I had the very same intrusive thought. Love your content, Matt. Can't wait to see this all slippery to air.

  • @theprojectproject01
    @theprojectproject01 4 месяца назад

    I like doing vacuum layups SO much. It's so gratifying.

  • @AlienLivesMatter
    @AlienLivesMatter 4 месяца назад

    10:48 Shape it like a container ship, including railing and tailpipe and a use a bubble visor for the operator.
    A steep rising tail with notched step to release drag ( like a pby Catalina tail) and flue pasage external on both sides in line with middle of wheels.
    In rolled aluminium

  • @rocketplane8862
    @rocketplane8862 4 месяца назад +1

    If you do go the hardware store foam route, I suggest finding a place that will sell you high-strength hardware store foam. This is sold as Dow Hi-load 100 or Owens Corning Foamular 1000. It has similar cost and properties to the regular stuff, but it has a higher compressive strength, meaning you can manhandle it more before you start putting dents in it.

  • @micr0n0va
    @micr0n0va 4 месяца назад +1

    Having machined a fair bit of styrofoam, you are going to want a substantial dust collector for your CNC. A project this size is going to generate several yards of waste and because you are smart / lazy you won't want to be standing there watching the machine run for days. I would also recommend using a 2# EPS bead foam over the blue or pink XPS, mainly for finish quality but also because the (clean) EPS can be recycled. Use Great Stuff Pro for adhesive, it has a very similar density to 2# EPS and this helps tremendously with eliminating the layer lines during finish sanding. Lastly, V-Carve Pro / Aspire (while looking very windows 1995) are very affordable and have a resting tool paths for STL / OBJ files. They make setting up 3D tool paths pretty easy compared to 'real' CAM programs.

  • @anthonygood9274
    @anthonygood9274 4 месяца назад

    I used to work at an auto body shop and the trick with fiber glass is to take small bites and have all of your supplies and tools ready and if you find yourself getting frustrated with the process stop close your eyes and take a deep breath to calm yourself down it only takes a second to help yourself from making a mistake it's not all that hard you've got it

  • @aydenhanlon1674
    @aydenhanlon1674 4 месяца назад

    One idea here. You have a cnc machine and are going to have to make molds regardless. You could make the molds out if layered mdf each time making another stair step and using the inside material that you cur out for another layer a few up.
    Then a heat gun heat resistant gloves and heat and lay polycarbonate over It. Some added benifits is your windshield is every part of the car and you get rid of alot of seams this way.
    Also since your mold is hollow and mdf is very slightly porous you might be able to run a couple shop vacs into it to have it aid you in layup.

  • @TheJagjr4450
    @TheJagjr4450 3 месяца назад

    I used holgen lamps on rheostats/digital dimmers for heating and bending plastic sheets. I do fiberglass work on vintage corvettes and have a lotus for fiberglass work in now.

  • @leonardr6704
    @leonardr6704 4 месяца назад

    Matt, just wanted to say I thoroughly enjoy your content. Your dry humor is refreshing in the automotive/engineering corner of RUclips.

  • @ernied3123
    @ernied3123 4 месяца назад

    Thanks Matt, that was so interesting and I’m really looking forward to watching the build. Cheers.

  • @realgoodideas7769
    @realgoodideas7769 4 месяца назад +1

    Can’t wait to see this run again

  • @jonathanluce9130
    @jonathanluce9130 4 месяца назад

    Awesome progress and yes I agree with you about fibreglass, absolutely hate getting splinters from it.

  • @allenl9031
    @allenl9031 4 месяца назад

    @SuperfastMatt the high pressure area in front of the cockpit, install a NACA duct, let the air flow around you to feed the intake.
    For the sides, model test with 2 inch wide flat splitter running boards from front to back wheels.

  • @bhx7527
    @bhx7527 4 месяца назад

    I love the camshaft lamp! and I also love the drive you peruse the CFD graphs with

  • @sirhcmi3
    @sirhcmi3 4 месяца назад +1

    If you do end up bending plastic, a (1000w) Drum Heater will give you a 4-5 inch wide heat zone. Works great with expanded PVC. Very lite and rigid. Your results may vary.

  • @raymond_rayder
    @raymond_rayder 4 месяца назад

    Cool crankshaft lamp.

  • @munchie1414
    @munchie1414 4 месяца назад

    Do not skimp on mold release, thick layer of wax (5 to 8 coats) or use the good stuff like Frekote 700-NC. Also for large parts we use the little pump up air wedge inflasion bag things works great once you get a seperation started. Good luck compsite work is always "fun"

  • @richardmondor1360
    @richardmondor1360 4 месяца назад

    Very very interesting!!! Thanks for the info.

  • @peanutsareyum
    @peanutsareyum 4 месяца назад

    I like the format of the rambling at the end, I'd be happy to see more

  • @Traxxas119
    @Traxxas119 4 месяца назад

    You may want to get a product called 'Salt-Away' which is what boaters use to remove salt from boats and trailers. Works great, salt melts away.

  • @BillPhillips4
    @BillPhillips4 4 месяца назад +1

    Great video!
    You may want to run 1 more simulation to show what happens if you end up on your side. I don't think you want to skid along the salt spinning like a top or sliding sideways. I think you want to keep the nose pointed forward, so it doesn't barrel roll. Just flip your design over 90 degrees to see what happens. For example, the vertical tail fin will not be effective if the car is on its side.

  • @johnbarr9857
    @johnbarr9857 4 месяца назад

    Dont forget that roughing or adding sandpaper at the front will help the airflow.

  • @milspectoothpick4119
    @milspectoothpick4119 4 месяца назад

    Quick point on CFD for vehicles with low ground clearance is to make sure that the mesh has enough elements in the ground clearance gap to properly resolve the airflow between the ground or the results are kind of useless. I would also then check your pitch sensitivity well beyond max speed to make sure the car isn't making enough lift to get off the ground and flip. Having a refined mesh under the car is critical for checking things like this.

  • @localsms
    @localsms 4 месяца назад

    I love how your video’s adhd tempo is in sync with mine ❤❤

  • @TTbelis
    @TTbelis 4 месяца назад +1

    I'm happy you are no longer sick. (Hoping it was too awful) 🙂 Thanks for the video, its a good comedy, and I'm learning a lot of cool engineering along the way. Speeed 😊

  • @bugjuicer
    @bugjuicer 4 месяца назад

    Years ago I helped a mate run a ZX10 at Bonneville, was an experience! We got it tuned in NZ, shipped over and had a laptop to tweak the tune. I remember hearing a saying 'run it as lean as you dare, then go further'.. If we had started the bike as we got it, back home, it'd have killed itself! Oh, and we used a brand new U-Haul Ford van, barely any miles on it. I don't think it lasted much longer, from all that salt!!

  • @andrewbailey7999
    @andrewbailey7999 4 месяца назад

    Brilliant, getting exciting! Best of luck with the fibreglassing! Looking forward to seeing how it comes out!

  • @monkeysuncle21
    @monkeysuncle21 4 месяца назад

    I haven't done a whole lot of fiberglass work, but I learned a lot from watching easy composites on RUclips.

  • @Ducatista189
    @Ducatista189 4 месяца назад +1

    I have been waiting patiently for this since you started the build. Aerodynamics fascinate me.

  • @jackrichards1863
    @jackrichards1863 4 месяца назад

    Smooth is sticky to aerodynamic I have heard said. golf ball dimples a microscopic shark tooth surfaces reduced aerodynamic stickiness by a huge margin in a couple of experiments I saw. A slight turbulence everywhere reduced stiction in windtunnel testing. Also smaller turbulence was better due to a rolling layer of air flow creating a slippery barrier. good luck with crafty innovations! Sand dunes form a ripple pattern in the wind which helps sand to remain on the ground more.

  • @adampierson3080
    @adampierson3080 4 месяца назад

    You need to cnc sections of the body out of 1/2 in plywood and using a hotwire, cut blocks of foam. From there you could fiberglass on top of the foam to get the shape. Or use the blocks to vacuum form the plastic.

  • @matthewschneider2089
    @matthewschneider2089 4 месяца назад

    Dude!!!🤯best of luck to you!!! 300mph cool!!!✌️

  • @alexwagle
    @alexwagle 4 месяца назад

    Some of the greatest RUclips content out there!!!!! Thanks for the education and the laughter. Algorythm assistance sould be mandatory for viewers.

  • @000gjb
    @000gjb 4 месяца назад

    Food for thought. Spray on liquid ACF-50 for anti-corrosion over everything except brakes., wipe off excess, used on aircraft. Fibreglass moulds. Spray in a whisp of PVA release agent into the Mould. In the Mould, fix two compressed air line fittings, one at each end of the mould, cover with Plasticine and PVA mould release. 40psi compressed air should pop the part out of the mould. Remember to duck.

  • @chrislee7817
    @chrislee7817 4 месяца назад +1

    Yay, I love composites. I make stuff in glass, carbon and kevlar. Spray PVA release on top of wax release always works for me. I would recommend some kevlar on the bits that might 'rub' if you end up on your ear. Will you use glass cloth rather than csm? Get well soon from the covid.

  • @benbunch4159
    @benbunch4159 4 месяца назад

    The algorithm never wants to give me channels I am subscribed to and yet I always get yours right when they post. All hail the algorithm.

  • @RoastyMyToast
    @RoastyMyToast 4 месяца назад

    Amazing video as always, can't wait for the next one!

  • @jasonrivers7518
    @jasonrivers7518 4 месяца назад +1

    Thanks, Matt, I've had Covid twice, now, and it sucks.
    Best of luck with the body, mate.

  • @finnrutha4577
    @finnrutha4577 3 месяца назад

    Love your videos man, keep it up!

  • @l88ch3r
    @l88ch3r 2 месяца назад

    That lamp is awesome. I really like it a lot.

  • @bullrush1725
    @bullrush1725 4 месяца назад

    Pink foam... well I've done a ton of it and the thing that tough to tackle is the rough surface you get when spreading resin on the foam. Epoxy will lift all the dust particles (no matter how good you clean it) and bring them to the surface. Hope you like sanding. The quick way is to cover it with sheet rock mud, sand flat, epoxy coat and you get a pretty good surface for a one off. Hope you like sanding. If you have 1/2 dozen 3D printers, print your molds. Done!

  • @lorenzfriedmann2829
    @lorenzfriedmann2829 4 месяца назад +1

    I watched. Yes I did love it. Anyway. From someone who’s worked years and years with fibreglass. If you want fibreglass and epoxy to not stick use lightwrap. Or whatever y’all call it. It will not stick. You will not cry. Maybe.

  • @KostasTsakalidis
    @KostasTsakalidis 4 месяца назад

    The delivery of this channel is always amazing

  • @marpintado
    @marpintado 4 месяца назад

    Fascinating!!! About stability, maybe try the other way around. Front traction and single directional well in the back. Like the dart.

  • @lunkydog
    @lunkydog 4 месяца назад +2

    Been waiting for this.👍👍