DBD's Anti-Camping Mechanic Is BROKEN
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- Опубликовано: 2 окт 2024
- I think this update is a step in the right direction but the issue still remains with special attack killers who can easily camp such as bubba. Let's hope live release is better!
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“Basement Bubba is still unbelievably viable”
YES SIR, YES IT IS 😤😤😤
The thing is , killers have to get bored as hell soon with that . After 2 or 3 games it’s like what are you even doing ? This is dead by daylight ?
@@khoango2337 it's got the same appeal as fishing
@@throbbing_moistGood point lmao, never thought of that
ily spooks
@@throbbing_moist cept fishing takes preparation which takes an actual brain. Basement Bubbas just strap on the helmet and go burrrr without a thought going into their "strategy". 😂
Don’t want to get face camped? Just get tunneled
W comment
You can't stop player behavior, but you can heavily discourage it.
Yup but now the player gets to control it more and it’s worse for killers. Just wait til almost second hook then leap off, 15 sec endurance plus however long you can loop after that, then camped again and leap off at last second and again 15 sec endurance. Now it’ll take much longer for campers and a team mate doesn’t have to waste time coming to save you and can instead work on gens.
It’s anti camp not anti tunnel
Main issue with dbd are the game foundations.. dbd is based on camping and tunneling if you want to do 4 kill as killer so its not easy to fix
"we got rid of camping" 'what did it cost?' :Nurse blink noises: "everything"
Oh no not the nurses 😓😦
I’m considering it.
Is this technically also a Reassurance buff? Since... you can have longer to build up the meter.
More like a nerf, it wont be used now, just like borrowed time.
Well see, I think people will realize it makes getting the bar full against proxy camping easier. As we saw, they'd normally hit struggle, but if you were Reassured, they'd have all that extra time.
In that case I think reassurance should pause the timer too.
This could lead to situations where the survivors never need to go for an unhook and just run past them.
This would be especially strong on maps like midwich and the game where you can trigger reassurance from different floors.
I think that's a perfectly fair balance.
If reassurance doesn't pause the meter, then it technically is a buff, for one, survivor can now play with a different playstyle of leaving their teammate on hook for longer and hope for the best if the killer sometimes walk by hook or builds the meter up, reassurance would only help increase the chance + also stalling the game for longer without the need to unhook them if unnecessary and if killer isn't applying gen pressure but semi camping or proxying, so in a way it got more use than it did before.
I feel like having a little more agency to save yourself during solo q is more beneficial than it being a true anti-camping mechanism. I don't really care if I get relentlessly tunneled because dying on first hook is infinitely more frustrating.
yes. For those who exclusively play solo queue, this is a much needed change. Too many bad killers are getting rewarded for camping or proxy camping when they lose 1 -2 gens during early game.
I personally Ain't a huge fan of either, Being unhooked only for the killer to ignore everyone and go for me again until there's three hooks and One single kill is just as Frustrating as dying on first hook
I'm glad that I (the cheryl) could show rapid's amazing huntress gameplay.
You did a great job 😘!
You nailed it. We've decided to make a live-action Dead by Daylight movie adaptation and we've chosen you to play Cheryl.
The anti camp thing seems like itll really be nutty with SWF's since once they say "oh he's face camping me" everybody else now knows that they dont even need to bother and can just do gens more efficiently. But I also feel like in random lobbies people will just leave you to die once they see the killer remotely close to you, assuming you'll just get off yourself. We'll just have to see honestly
That's kinda the point chief
@@extpannel fair enough
If you run kindred, it's very close to swf information.
Reassurance being meta will be replaced with even more gen efficiency, gens are going to be slammed even faster knowing 1 person unhooking is always a safe unhook, dbd is slowly becoming gen simulator
@@someguy436time to whip out that Unbreakable again
I think with a few more tweeks this could work well enough, but I thought of a different idea for anti camping. let me know if you think its any good.
When the killer is too close to the hook, the survivor's death bar (not sure if it has a proper name, but the bar that shows how long you have on hook before you die) will lower by 50%, or maybe even stop regressing completely. the survivor won't die so long that the killer is too close, with the exception of death hook. ill admit that this still won't be fun for the hooked survivor, but it punishes the killer massively by nothing getting done. they will throw the game trying to camp, forcing them to change tactics, and giving the opportunity for the hooked survivor to be saved.
This exists already. It’s called reassurance lol
@@juand7751 he’s talking about base kit bro
That has been tried multiple times across multiple PTBs and never left the PTBs because survivors always found a way to abuse it to hell and back.
Reassurance is all that's left of that failed mechanic.
@@Warcrafter4 well that's unfortunate. It was worth a shot I suppose.
This would be so much better!
Who would have thought this new mechanic would break the game and be massively abusable... Surely not I! /S How the F can they not find a SINGLE incentive to not facecamp... THAT is all it takes to make the game fun for both sides... BHVR being incompetent as always I guess.
PS: For some reason I think of a barbarian woman when I see RapidMains hair...
The strongest incentive to not face camp is to make chasing as lower tier killers actually rewarding without the need for multiple slowdown or STBFL
It’s pretty dumb that even when the drones are in so-called “stealth mode” survivors can literally see their location and range on the ground. “Stealth mode”…
i feel like the meter should be filling up slower on normal hooks and basement should be done differently bc its too slow
But in basement you can still fill up if the killer is up above
@@NameIsDoc yeah but if you get proxy camped you still get to 2nd stage. Standing above the stairs is still viable form of camping
@@mariasidor6672or just be good enough to not be camped….
@@juanpabloduarte2001are u stupid?
At this point you just want survivor to be an automated experience. Its quite pathetic. Soon enough the games going to play for you.
The point isn't putting restrictions to force killers out of camping/tunneling. Is adding things that encourage not doing so. "Encourage" is not restriction. Give a killer benefits for going out of their way to hunt someone else, despite having the option to guarantee a kill. I have not seen anything like this in many years. Closest there is are perks like make your choice and devour hope. But outside of that, theres no direct reason to do that. Either a punishment towards hook progression or towards gen progression, but SOMETHING.
Problem is that the survivor perks meta currently are so strong, that if a killer doesn't at the very least do some proxy hook camping it's almost always a loss when you play against a swif. Gens can just be done way too fast in this current meta. You have to be able to as a killer give reasons for other survivors to get off gens.
Killers need a reason to go for a mixed hook. Atm there’s absolutely no reason
The idea i came with a while ago, is that since the killer gets a direct punishment for camping the hook, the survivors should get a direct punishment for ignoring rescues and gen rushing. Imagine you have 3 people sitting in a gen rotating reassurance then going back to gens. Add a counter that tracks a survivors gen progression and slows it down the less altruistic they are (Something like a basekit tanato. If they can have basekit deliverance then we should get something basekit too, right?) Since they SO want to add this anti camp feature for "the killer to play in a fun, healthy way", may aswell prevent survivors from holding M1 the whole match. But BHVR is packed with survivor mains, so i doubt they'll do anything about it anytime soon. They many times listened to otz whenever he said X thing is too broken or too weak, but he said that gen times are becoming an issue due to the balance between killer perks and survivor perks (specially items) and so far i've seen no real attempt to create a proper slow down mechanic that does not depend on taking half of the killer's perk/add on slots.
This game is finished first hook grabs gone and now you cant even camp which is a viable playstyle. What next survivors get guns to kill the killer???
but why would you camp with nobody nearby
Camping is "viable" but so idiotic that it deserves to be punished.
Being camped is boring, camping is boring, and having a killer doing nothing but camp a teammate is boring.
You can still go near hooked survivers because the meter is slow (as long as you don't sit in their face) and the meter stops when other survivors are near it.
I would add 1 very important feature, this shouldn't fill up when killer is in chase near the hook. Especially on leveled maps killer just wont be able to chase below the hook because yes. And there are maaany more reasons for it.
1. I think there should definitely be a delay before the bar starts filling up to give the killer a chance to move away (and maybe set up - tappers/hags?).
2. The bar shouldn't progress if the killer is on the floor above/below. (unless the killer has ability to traverse back to the hook rapidly).
3. How does this interact with hooking multiple survivors in the basement?
4. What would be the implications for survivors and killers if there is a gen next to the hook?
5. I like the idea of an anti-camping mechanic - nobody likes a basement bubba - but wont this system just promote proxy camping, slugging, and tunneling?
I honestly think killers wouldn't feel the need to camp, slug, and tunnel as much if they just removed de-pipping - It made sense when killer grade was linked to mmr, but now it just punishes you for not doing everything you possibly can to win, including playing dirty. - if they really want to make it 'more fun' removing de-pipping would be a big a step in the right direction.
For #1, it's highly likely they already priced in the time when killers have to leave vicinity into the timer overall. They are probably going to tweak the unhook timer speed in the PTB as well if killers need more time.
For #2, you can camp in several areas by being on a higher floor than the hook, because you can fall down in 1.5 seconds. So it definitely needs to transcend floors in some way for it to be effective in some areas.
I actually prefer proxy camping to close camping, in some ways proxy camping (if not too close) can be fun to outmaneuver. So I find that part to be an overall win.
Survivor queue times are already ridiculous. This is just going to make them even longer. No one is gonna play killer anymore.
And why would they? You have to sweat as survivors get their hand held through the match. Massive amounts of pallets, safe pallets, god pallets. Map offerings they can use to put the game in their favor. Second chance perks. Speed boost perks that make them impossible to catch. Insta heals. Killer is a shit fest. While survivor you’re just chillin with your feet up.
Let’s not forget even if you kill 3 of 4. The 4th still gets a chance at hatch. You close the hatch. WAIT. They still get a chance for the door. LMAO.
This game is a joke. And this is coming from a P100 nea that’s a survivor main.
That is a frighteningly good edit on the thumbnail, I don’t like it but I also like it
This unhooking system is great for new players learning the game. However highly abusable in a game full of experienced survivors. Especially against a swf. Camping a hook is another way to provide pressure against these hard teams. After this update, slugging will become meta. This is gonna be a shit show 😂
No one's talking about it but this kinda buffed reassurance. Interested in seeing how this plays out and how many situations will be drastically altered due to this change.
I honestly think the best solution was to adapt a version of what happens when Pyramid Head tries to camp his cages - if a killer camps, the entity sends the survivor to another hook, as far away as possible. Obviously there would have to be a bunch of exceptions and additions to make this work best but it would make facecamping to ensure the kill basically dead, unless I'm missing something.
uhhh no
@@r1singhellDon’t camp if ur gonna complain
@@r1singhell A truly compelling counterargument, good sir! I stand humbled!
@@QT_Jeanne i dont camp im a survivor main and i just see this as being annoying and looking really ugly in game, tbh killers could take advantage and sit near and once a survivor comes to unhook they can go towards the hook, move the survivor, then chase the survivor who was trying to unhook
I would also add that the new hook and noise notification is hidden from the Killer.
No. Just no.
He forgot that even if you can unhook yourself, most players will wait til last minute so that they can waste as much of the killer’s time as possible.
That incentivizes every other survivor to sit on gens. Before, you had to do something about the save. That’s not the case anymore.
It’s a great change.
its not, playing as a survivor is too easy as is
This mechanic is broken and easily abusable for SURVIVORS (especially SWF) but NOOO BUBBA CAN STILL TUNNEL 😭😭😭
This is a horrible change considering that camping against good survivors is more a disadvantage than an advantage.
It helps the team. It doesn’t help the person getting camped. To say someone should just get camped to death because it helps the team is cartoonishly evil.
literally the change dbd has needed for literal years. blue pilled.
Ya it just means killers will actually have to learn how to play the game..
@@frankmorrison9143 Coordinated survivors will legit wait for the survivor to go near death and do a text book double save. And there is absolutely nothing the killer can do
@@xavier5664damn it’s almost like killer doesn’t have powers and perks that shuts all this shit down
This game is becoming too safe and too riddled with rules. I see alot of people leaving the game over time.
they should nerf bully squads ;/. its normal to camp that 1 person that has been constantly bullying u, but they only nerf the killers side
I get the feeling killers that can multi hit such as bubba won't be effected much by this it only allows him to get people quciker out of the game tbh, but I do get the feeling some survivors will abuse this by leading the killer to the hook on purpose.
Multi floors and that distance is too long it gives the killer was near a second gen and it was still going also it starts the moment the hooked not giving the killer a chance to leave no proct nothing maybe give killer a proct and show the the distance or the meter to.
You realise the bar slows down (and actually comes to a full stop) if other survivors run to the hook, right? You can't "abuse" this by leading the killer to the hook... Because then it won't work.
Did you watched the video? You get invincible frames getting out by yourself
killers like leatherface won't have any type of problem with this or even trapper if they just trap everything around the hook not allowing them to escape and leatherface can just chain 3 chainsaw swipes correctly to hit.@@sthepcorms6747
Anti camping made tunneling worse. Good job BHVR
Killers gotta have something man, tunnel we must.
With low tier killers I feel like I have no choice unfortunately against good players haha
What else are we supposed to do, stand still and let you escape?
Bruh i already see 3 Feng camping the hook to get me to come close and save their lil friend 💀
Wait. This is not the point.
This change is supposed to counter the free face camp.
And it does.
If you facecamp you only lose time, the guy will unhook and you will have to hook him again while the mates are doing gens.
Now, it does not prevent you to tunnel him because it is not anti tunnel.
It does not prevent you to proxicamping because countering proxi camping was never in their intention.
It does not help against killers that are good at camping because.... because they are good at camping.
But it does what was promised. They just promised not that much.
You're saying the issue is that devs should also focus on anti tunnel, anti proxi camping, and nerf killers intended for control/get rid of said control? May aswell ask bhvr to reduce the gens needed to escape.
@@agustinnarvaez5251 I literally never said that.
I said they promised not that much and the did it.
If people fantasized about it being the final solution... well it is not BHVR issue.
Curiously did more to counter the camping the removal of hook grabs than this new feature but... well... it does what it was promised...
@@zxzolfo I was genuinely asking, as your comment seemed more like a rant about the feature not addressing other playstyles. To be fair this feature doesn't "suck" as usually the reason for facecamping is you hella know theres someone around, but it definitely needs some tweaking, and should come with a punishment for survivors aswell. Because if the killer plays mr. nice guy and rotates who they hook, against a coordinated theam, they lose like dogs.
As it turns out, you can't keep Bubba away from that Chili.
I don’t mind camping 🤷♂️ it’s part of the game. Sorry insidious players :/
Survivor main btw
When i used to play the game i was a survivor main but every patch removed the enjoyment from it as they just nerfed killers to the point where you feel like the killer
As a Killer, I'm pretty much slugging all survivor teams in response to this feature. I can't believe BHVR is letting the whining of survivors dictate the game's direction. Maybe if we just start slugging all teams until they reverse this feature, they'll listen. Otherwise, any survivors going up against me are going to have a miserable time (I've slugged 5 different teams in the last 24 hours 😁)
I feel like people are blowing this out of proportion. If you have a window or pallet close, you're fine. If you don't, don't unhook yourself until you're about to go to next stage anyway.
The game is a joke now with how the balance is and how competitively toxic the community is. !00% fact your like will improve if you walk away from DBD.
6 years, 20 killers, and 500 overpriced cosmetics later, BHVR Actually do something about this in game flaw.
Just make killers bots or reward killers for playing in "fun" ways, punishing playstyles never has been or will be the answer, give players incentives to play how you want them to or they will choose the path of least resistance everytime.
Doing the whole hook leave chase hook leave isn't fun for the killer if the chases can potentially be 2 or 3 gens long depending on map set ups, no killer who wants to actually play the game will want to leave a game without atleast 1 kill will play like a nice guy if it ain't worked for them in the past, survivors will have to suck it up these base second chances is a terrible idea.
Playing killer and camping isnt fun! Y would it be fun for the survivor?
@@nightzwizard5719 fun is subjective for sure but given my example of why i said it isn't fun playing how survivors want they(killers) are going to do the thing that will reward them more, punishing mechanics isn't the way with how the game is right now.
@@nightzwizard5719 Sticking to Mr. Nice guy is not always the fun option. Sometimes you realize the game is getting tense, your time margins are getting tight, and you need to camp a bit (maybe proxi camp) in order to have survivors grouped up and turn the game more in your favor. But now bhvr wants killers to stick to the "mr nice guy" mindset and get tbag and clicked by a full SWF. Why aren't there new mechanics that prevent the SURVIVORS from playing in anti-fun ways? How about limiting gen speed or even access if a survivor is hooked? or limiting the ammount of toolboxes/add ons that can be brought by a team? Why dont they think of THAT? imagine sitting in a gen for 5 minutes, thats not fun at all. Then why is that allowed??? BHVR is packed with survivor mains dude, accept it.
@@agustinnarvaez5251lmao strawman argument
They add this but not nerf mtf
It's not that big of an issue lol
Why would they nerf male to female
@@AaronnDK I mental illness patch
Devs don't give a fuck about killer, twins is barely functional still
Because the devs think survivors are actual morons they cant do anything themselves. Its actually pathetic. Let em have their crutch so when you win it will make it far more embarrasing anyways thats what i have been doing. The little bitches get extremely enraged and then they crash and burn.
Or you can just Mori them with Myer as soon as they unkook themselves 😂🤣😂 you dont need to hit them just grab their neck lol .
The fact it instantly starts going up after you hook someone is ridiculous. So technically I'm camping by walking away from the hook???
Skull merchant rework nerfs:
No longer gains undetectable while in drone radius
Cool down on recall
45 sec drone disable on successful survivor hack
survivors 3 sec scan immunity on scan (this includes wake up)
Radius of drone reduction
Multiple stages to get full use 1st scan speed 2nd tracker 3rd hinder (9 sec min to gain all if survivor is active in trying to get it)
other problems with this mehcnaic is that when a downed surv is near the hooked survivor, the bar still fills. and multifloor maps are bad too, you hook upstairs someone, and you chasing someone below then the bar fills. but the first thing i mentioned are fixable easily. but the second idk man i dont think they could fix that.
Tbf huntress while not face camping gets the same effect if she can hit her hatchets and she stands outside the radius which you just know some will do
This to me is an amazing change because campers make the game so boring and face camping isn’t still viable 😂 people can do gens while you wait last second you can save so much time with this
It's usually at the cost of one of your teammates dying. But if the killer gets lucky and gets a down right away, it puts all survivors at a big disadvantage already.
Face camping was never viable it just stomped new players that didn't understand the game
that looks awesome to me. even though I am a mostly killer player. That will suit me just fine in both roles
Survivors don't need more tools to be bullys. I deleted the game until killers get buffed.
This isn't about anti camping still being useless, it's a killer problem and why the grand majority of the roster never gets touched, it's why each match you play as survivor you only ever see the exact same killers each match, play a lower tier m1 killer and this changes drastically. Mechanics like this only further push the drive to only play specific killers while others remain neglected. I swear if you'd never look at the killer roster and only played survivor you'd think there was only 4 or 5 killers in the game. Instead of altering the game around specific killers as a whole, just alter the killers to avoid the ripple effect of making sure most of the killer roster never gets touched.
Not you copying and pasting this in every damn video about anti camp. You even copy and pasted this in response to me on LittleSpaceRock’s video about the new changes. I wonder I read it and was like, wtf does this have to do with what I was talking about 😂 . Def can’t take anything serious you wrote there now. Who knows where else you pasted it from or again lmao
The solution for this whole issue is really as simple as just making it so hitting a survivor who still has endurance off hook (and ONLY endurance from being unhook, not endurance in general) will end your chainsaw sprint like prematurely, so you have to rev it all over again.
@@SissypheanCatboy See a simple fix that would have worked but they had to over complicate it and invent an entire system when the solution could have been simple.
RIP facecamping Bubba you will be missed
not at all
R.I.P. indeed
Yay they finally fixed camping poggers you guys
so not touching this game again until swf is addressed
All they simply had to do was just make the survivors hook timer pause when the hook enters killers terror radius
I’m just gonna run my slug builds for now on no hoooks
I WAS AT THE BEGINNING OF THE VIDEO ME ASTROPJT YAT
I see ppl commenting that killers will no longer be able to secure kills @ end game. I read that this is supposed to deactivate at end game for that reason. Just like DS/Off the record.
Are you telling me BHVR actually didn't fix anything? My god, I would've never expected that!
they said 1 year ago they fixed an exploit allowing ez cheating, fast forward today now intstead spee boost what the software detect we have perma wallhacks. wow such an upgrade,
I honestly don’t think any change is gonna chance facecamping. Killers facecamp cause they want to and it’s fun to win an easy game. You can’t out-mechanic that
They should change the self unhook to hook timer getting progressively slower and stopping completely at 100% and maybe make hook stages faster if killer is far away monstrous shrine basekit for every hook maybe
Abusable and can keep u hostage
@@silomonptolomeo3759 you know you can always kill yourself on hook
True. Makes more sense to me
And this should not work IF other survivors are near the hook
@@crystal4ik if there's other survivor near hook with the killer it means they f-up anyways shure timer is almost standing still but best you can do is trade
we did it boys, chess merchant is no more
what if teammate loop around the hook?
Huntress would be gross with double throw cooldown add ons and pinhead will be able to use original pain to tunnel off of hook
Why is the game so killer sided???
I love your hair. Give it to me
Nothing will stop me tunneling
Sounds like they need to do something for when bubba is camping. Also SM seems to be pretty interesting now
I’ve always felt that if bubba hits someone it should timeout his chainsaw. I don’t really think it’s fair for it to keep going.
Hot Take - Camping for me was never really an issue. Was it done, yes. I mean that it wasn't an issue, the killer could be punished for it if the survivors where smart. For me, tunnelling is the issue. There is nothing that a survivor can do if a killer really wants to tunnel unless you're a god looper. Any anti tunnelling perk is negated by the base kit BT due to it applying deep wound, not to mention you're already at a disadvantage due to deep wound affecting your vision. DS (Regardless of what anyone says) is dead. After animation you have 1 second to get away and what does that do for a bubba sweep, nurse, spirit, blight, plague, huntress, billy, anyone with cross map or travel ability. Just the deep wound application from BT alone negates the "anti-tunnelling" perks. New Dead hard, OTR. Tunnelling is also more effective and less punishing for the killer, the survivor cant control when they get unhooked and when you get unhooked 20 seconds after, that's only 20 seconds of wasted hook time and you'll be downed 10-15 seconds later. where as a camper wastes 2 minutes - possibly 3-4 with reassurance by just standing by the hook. Not too mention, tunnelling i feel, feels more annoying, personal and unfair. I feel it enrages and upsets people more, where as face camping, the killer is WAITING for you to DC or kill yourself on hook - just don't. It feels good seeing gens fly by whilst the killer is just sat there getting no points just like me. I say remove the camping mechanic and remove deep wound from base BT, buff DS back to 5 seconds and done. Shitty gameplay issue solved.
It’s anti-camp not anti-tunnel. What this does is allow your team to stick gens since you can unhook yourself. Now we just need better anti-tunnel. They need to give sprint burst to the unhooked survivor
In my opinion I think there's enough perks and strats survs can do that can negate tunnelling, so it's just a matter of improving or just a ''skill issue'' type of thing, like of course if you're new to the game it's bound to be easier for killer to target and tunnel you out sooner there's nothing that can be done about that, similar to how if you're a new killer and you're matching good survivors (which is inevitable due to the broken queue system) then you are bound to get gen rushed and if you don't know how to finish chases fast or hold gens then you lose. Plus, even the craziest instance of extreme tunnelling has never ever worked out in the killer's favor, if anything tunnelling usually means killer overcommitting and not applying any pressure elsewhere so it makes the game easier for survs if the person they're tunneling is also not making as much mistakes during chases.
@@Lawfyy Getting tunneled is not a skill issue when you are at the mercy of map resources to protect yourself that may not be available by your hook. Tunneling is a lazy killer strategy. I’m not saying tunneling should be stopped. I’m saying the reward needs to be less appealing. I literally had a spirit abandon me injured in a dead zone to tunnel the unhook at 5 gens. I was within m1 distance! And she just LEFT?!? That’s me off a gen, a team getting the save, the unhooked, and ONE person left to do all 5 gens?? That is exactly the problem. Tunneling is low effort but SWINGS games. Making a unimpressive strategy more challenging is not a bad thing and you shouldn’t be complaining. Tunneling is also a slap in the face to killers who challenge themselves to macro pressure. Macro pressure killers deserve MORE than tunnelers.
@@Spill_Eviction ''Making a unimpressive strategy more challenging is not a bad thing and you shouldn’t be complaining'' but it IS challenging when survivors can counterplay it? You're saying that because your team isn't effectively playing against the tunneler by making effective use of anti tunnel perks + bodyblocks and other plays, also you get endurance straight off hook so there will always be map resources you make it to unless you're referring to basement which is a whole different story but usually that endurance will be enough for you to make it far to a pallet or window somewhere, and if you're still not sure about that there'll still always be perks to help you with that like off the record/DS/dh/ so on, but like I said, tunnelling only works when the surv team is playing extremely passive and into the hands of the tunneller, a killer overcommitting is never a good thing since they apply no pressure elsewhere. It's also a matter of what killer you're referring to because some killers right now are much better at tunnelling than other killers so that'd also make sense.
@@Lawfyy You’re a dumbass. The survivors have work twice as a hard to counter a lazy killer strat. You LITERALLY PROVED MY POINT. Thank u next
15 seconds not enough ?
Rapid main, did you even read the developer update so you knew what all was coming into the game.. the anti camping mechanic is not broken!! You didn't read the patch notes, I'd put money on the fact you didn't!!! Stop complaining
Why would this be broken though? The whole point is to make killers avoid camping. That endurance and s are important because whats the point of unhooking ourselves for being camped if we would not have a chance to try and escape?
its broken on on meat plant and midwitch cause it goes through floors
ppl take camp bubba bec they have no more power to stay in UNFAIR matches vs swf abusers .
another nerft to killers instead of giving reward for not camping
Man needs haircut
I thought you meant broken like good. Now I still don’t know how to feel with the anti camping mechanic. Now if anything I feel like it’s just encouraging tunneling more n more
Hey i guess Steve perk camaraderie is coming in clutch in future huh? Like reassurance
The anti camp meter is not broken definitely since alien came out people do it way more than often
I retract what i said after seeing this lol
Well this is just gonna kill the only viable strat of winning vs good teams. They'll nerf camping, but they don't touch Made for This? I think this is the TRUE update that kills over half of the playerbase.
Camping is literally the same bro.
Time to use noed and perks that stop them from leaving during endgame. It's really stupid as it's not even well made you could be above them and the meter will fill you could be proxy camping and it still fills not only do they have borrowed time as basekit but now they can escape the hook why not disable all hooks and killers powers maybe then it'll be "fair" smfh
@@justsomedude111 Camping is DEAD my guy. You get punished simply for just existing when someone is hooked. You could be on another floor and it fills up. It's a terrible mechanic.
@@AaronScotz I'm sure it'll get tweaked.
@@justsomedude111 There's no saving the game from this. And soon enough they'll also add basekit unbreakable to further add salt to the wounds.
Rapids face on Steve in the thumbnail is golden😂
Wait couldnt you just face camp someone wait for them to unhook themselfs down them again there in there 2nd hook stage camp them and then wait till they unhook and you kill tyem
Make endurance continues until the meter fully depletes and to make up for it reduce the time length of endurance effect? Just an idea to improve this new mechanic 🤔
I THINK it disables if they leave your chainsaw hitbox, so it's probably bugged right now
So glad i left the game before this idiocy was implemented. Yet another punish the killer for playing a particular way rather than giving them incentive to play differently. Camping and tunneling is boring for everyone involved especially the killer the latter being the more viable strat when leveraged properly. If I got some tangible benefits for constantly being in chase I would choose that every time as it's the most engaging part of the game but you simply can't do that or gens will fly by.
This isn't even a horror game anymore.
It's become a Meme War.
Idk i would just make basement not spawn when the killer is bubba it won’t change much tbh
Wtf with this self unhook mechanism...then what will be the usage of Deliverance . Its already very hard to play against a good survivor teams and now this bullshit 😑😑.
Might be an unpopular opinion but I feel what they are doing with the anticamp is purely thought out for survivors and not for killer at all since it means bad matches where you have low hooks with low gens left, you cannot secure a kill if needed and also means that playing around hook with multiple survivors is just worse for the killer. Think an anticamp on hook is needed but this has not been weighed out well for killers
Let survivors have this, the game is so killer sided
@@steezuschrist0999 huh, have you played DBD before
@@steezuschrist0999your joking right? This game has NEVER been killer sided if anything give something to the killers
This maybe a stupid/hot take for the bubba facecamping situation, but why has nobody considered using the game resources like pallets, windows, or lockers to safely get away instead of running into the killer or into a open field. I feel like if you utilize resources with the anti-facecamping mechanic then it works great. Again just my opinion from testing it myself and from watching other content creators. Huntress is another story, it is worthless against a good huntress.
Because pallets aren’t always there, windows in dead zones are pretty useless even against bubba unless you have lithe, and jumping in a locker without a locker build is just trolling. People have considered these things but most of the time it doesn’t matter in the end cause if you’re getting facecamped/tunneled you just have to deal with it unless you run 4 mans swf’s which I know every killer wants to act like every game they play is a 4 man swf but thats just not the case. Most people run solo.
Do you not think ppl are doing all they can to escape? 😂. Once you’re injured and being chased you’re going to go down again unless you’re a god tier expert looper
@@Timothee_Chalamet_CMBYN Every video I've seen on it the survivor is told to try to run away off hook and then proceed to run past all pallets and windows (which are safe btw) to an open area and try to juke the chainsaw. I understand that in some instances you can't do anything, but most people aren't even trying to actually escape from the bubba.
@@octobersveryown4953 I agree with your observations, but I wasn't clear enough on my point. My point is that ever survivor I've seen was told to try and escape the bubba, but then proceed to run past ever loop,pallet or window into the open dies then says it is still terrible and does nothing. Again I agree there are still situations where you can't do anything, but it just feels like no one is even actually trying to show how you can use the .05 seconds to make it to a loop of it is close by.
@@Nipzo_Ozpin I’ve never seen that, we must be seeing different things
i dont think this should be a perfect solution this should just make it inconvenient.
Give Rapid his own DBD Skin
anti-camp? more like pro-tunnel. get those fools out of the game faster.
Out of records and anti camping sistem let the killer child cry
Crazy how only the campers are complaining
Crazy how your IQ is so low that you assume only camping killers are complaining about this and that it only affects non camping killers when SWF will be able to easily abuse this with regular killers. Survivor mains truly don’t have a brain thanks for proving that junior.🤣😂
This change is overall bad for the game, as it puts killers in lose-lose situations. There never should be mechanic that punishes u this hard for doing the right plays. For instance, u downed survivor near almost done gen and u hook said surv next to this gen. Normally the correct play would be to camp this out and wait thill the gen regresses. Survivor made a blunder and u are capitalizing on it (as it should be). But now? U cant go away, cause survivor gets rescued and the gen gets done, but u also cant stay cause the survivor will unhook himself and other survs, knowing that they dont have to help their teammate, will do other gens. What is killer supposed to do? Its not fair at all.
Have you ever been told that you look like Adam McMillan?
The Rebecca could have vaulted the window but she panicked
Dude that literally kills the game for killers. Its to the point anymore its almost pointless to be killer.
My opinion -
There needs to be a 5-10 second window to let the killer leave. Right now you can get 1/5 to 1/4 of the bar off a killer who is playing correctly.
For basement in particular - the hook shouldn't count you if your above it.
When breaking gens or pallets the bar should be paused or even regress slightly so killers can do objectives around the hook. (Traps with hag or trapper don't count maybe)
Killer in chase should never count. Survivors nearby should drain
There's no point in giving these windows/pauses though if you're not going to camp, no? Killer in chase is also a bit questionable, because the chase might be a result of a survivor trying to unhook. And from what I can tell the devs did mention that the bar goes slower when survivors are nearby, so that should compensate for that in theory
No, just leave the hook
@@dommassa2667see, that's kind of an issue.. if you spot a survivor after leaving the hook and they run you back towards the hooked survivor, you're supposed to just let them go?
'Ah, damn, he's going to run me around the hooked survivor, better just let them get a free save without getting punished then!'
Don't get me wrong, I'm all for anti-face camping stuff, but they have to understand that this can and will be abused and will also definitely hurt killers who can't and don't face camp.
@@jedsorrilla2026 The meter stops to fill when other survs are around the hook...can you read the patch notes before open an useless argument?
@@dommassa2667 it slows it down, not stop it
with this mechanic... killers can force 2nd stage LuL well.......... BHVR is facing the right direction at least :-)
Seeing Bubba nodding in response was amazing
I cba 😂 I wasn't REALLY expecting much considering... You know.... This is BHVR... But the fact that we finally have an "anti-camp" mechanic after almost EIGHT YEARS.... And it does absolutely nothing to stop camping is just so F'n funny
camping was a valid strat that they ruined
The question is will the timer stop if a survivor is being slugged near the hook?
they tested that and nope it does not
Pinhead is broken with his purple nail add on for this
Killer sure arnt going to smack on hook anymore 🤣