Pious might have been a perpetual, but I'm 99% confident he dies (for good) during the fight between Horus and the Emperor. I'm okay with him being a perpetual. A random guardsman showing up on the bridge of the Vengeful Spirit doesn't make any sense.
@@Jagonath the first iteration of him being a Guardsman wasn’t aboard the Vengeful Spirit, it was an earlier incarnation when the final battle happened in the Imperial Palace. When it changed to being aboard the ship it was changed to either an Astartes or Custodian. The closest we ever got to an “official ruling” was “it’s a legend so there’s inconsistencies, believe whatever you want.” Which I thought was pretty cool.
The Custodes were created before the Space Marines. Constantin Valdor was the first. He was with the Emperor during the Unification Wars. At least one custodes should be on this list.
You can add the crew on board the Federation voidship Blade of Infinity, launched in M24. They still travel around in M42, warning the Imperials of Chaos invasions they can predict with their temporal engines. The crew of the Spirit of Eternity lived almost as long, until they landed on a Imperial world and were burned at the stake for heresy.
Saint Celestine is not 10,000 years old, as the Order of Our Martyred Lady, the order she belonged to as a mortal wasn't founded until M36,378. So, at best, assuming she was a founding member, she would be at most 4 thousand years old.
@@lescopains554no she did not. She was alive during the Age of Apostasy, when the Sisters of Battle first appeared. She’s beloved to have been a Sister Repentia of the Order of Our Martyred Lady,
Bruh. You can't even get basic info right lol. Frostfang is the sword used by Ragnar Blackmane. Logan uses the Armour of Asvald Stormwrack amd his weapon is the Axe morkai which is a khornate axe reformed from a champion of khorne
Well a few problems john grimaticus isnt with eldrad but currently with vulkan in the end and the dead pt1 and olanious pious is actually olanious person and so far not the one who sacrificed his life but will be garviel loken by how things are being set up.
I don’t know the specific lore but I would assume the following: All marines were human beforehand how young they need to be depends on the chapter and specific book though. The charachter in question is a perpetual meaning he will return whenever killed in some way. In this case in his full grey knight strength. He likely lived quite some time before the heresy was adopted into a legion as a space marine survived the heresy and was then appointed to the grey knights
Diddnt Cyrene get killed during the Horus Heresy?!?! Around the time of the Ruinstorm during the war in Ultramar?? I specifically remember Angron making fun on Argal-Tal for not being able to protect her, in an effort to provoke him. What is the story behind her survival?
She was killed by Custodes, but resurrected using an unholy ritual performed by Erebus at Argel Tal's request. She was later confirmed to have been made a perpetual from this ritual by another perpetual, Damon Prytanis.
Age in 40k is a question of objective vs subjective timeframes. E.g. Bjorn is objectively 10k years old, but subjectively has only experienced a few decades since 30k. The rest of the time he's asleep.
This doesn't really make sense, celestine is only a few thousand years old and did not exist in the heresy, the sisters of battle were established way later. The primarchs are not different ages, all were created simultaneously but rediscovered at different times. If your using their order numbers as a means of whose oldest then lion might be slightly older being the first primarch. There's also an argument of guilliman actually being only a couple thousand years as he was in stasis for most of his time which literally pause time within them. Cawl is an interesting one as it depends on if you mean bellisarius himself or the people that comprise the being now known as cawl, one of whom is ezekial sedaine, one of the genetic scientists who helped create the space marines in the first place, who is noted to have used rejuvenation for so long that it no longer works when they joined with cawl. That said this also goes the other way as cawl isn't immortal, he staves off death by continuously cloning his own brain and rewriting it to match his current one and running multiple brains in conjunction (hence cawl isn't even one single person) so there's the argument if if you go by his oldest consciousness it's sedaine at 12-13 thousand years, or by his oldest clone brain which is likely only a few hundred years. (The cawl inferior device in guillimans possession is likely another clone brain) The blood angels don't live notably longer than other marines to my knowledge which is why Dante is impressive. Honestly most of this list could just be the perpetuals. Such as urda, John grammaticus, Damon pratanis, ollanius of course and I'm sure there's more I'm forgetting. Though some aren't really full perps, John just gets resurrected by dark elder so it's not true perpetuality. That said, perps can be truly killed, and we don't know which survive the heresy yet, urda and John likely don't. Ollanius almost certainly not though the story about him standing before horus already has an alternative explanation anyway so that might not happen at all.
Emperor was not born in 8th millenium BC.. The Death and End clearly states that he was around two or three hundred years old when he witnessed some cave paintings being made. And that is far far before 8th millenium BC. Please go read some 40k books from time to time, don't just siphon wiki and forums only.
Yes he is cannon he was involved in the Horus heresy and at that time he thinks he's around 45k years old placing his birth at around 15k BC although he isn't totally sure of the date. The Emperor wasn't created by the first shamans, human shamans noticed that after each generation they where becoming fewer and fewer in number and figured that it was chaos doing. So those that where left came up with the plan to combine their strength into one resulting in the "birth" of the Emperor around 8k BC.
@@newhope33 No he is not a cannon, the story of him is just a variant of other story that a A* space marine, B* Solar Auxilia soldier C* custodess. Used his own body to shield Emperor in fight with his son. The truth is that was a marine, a story about Auxilia soldier is just a part of propaganda, go read the actuall books and you will know
Leaving out Chaos Marines is a cop-out, given how Abaddon, Kharn, Typhus, Lucius, Fabius Bile, Erebus and Ahriman have all been around since the Heresy as have the founding members of the Black Legion.
Though due to how the warp works it's actually hard to pin down their exact age, they may be 10,000 years old in real-space but they may only be a couple of thousand, maybe even just a few hundred years in actual lived time.
Bruh its obvious the oldest human in 42k Is Adam The first human ever duh Bro srl putting Ollanius Pius as 1 Even though He died during horus heresy being 46k old according to your age
emm ok....just only ONE ...SINGLE THING ....dude YOU Wont Belive . READ IT :So subject is , UNBELIVABLE , you look at those depictions of people from this video , ok they are pretty old really but , I trutfully promise you by telling you that siriously Every single one of them I specially recently and some in a past ,, I have SEEN THEM exactly the SAME FACES on few people near me , and obviously a version of them as I seen them is less muscular? obviously but maan this guy Grammatics literally Lives near me as a neighbour . I have witnesed here where I live in lots of people to be super look alike even otheres from now on as we live in this times recently and they even wear same clothes , ......STRANGE?!!!!! but this is really happening and I hope this will be to anyone reading a interesting comment that might bring you some thoughts about wtf we live in ,,,maybe, but maybe its just nothing for you and stupid , maybe you think that I took some drugs and you wanna tell me to change a dealer coz this one way to hard, or something but it is just and only my version of how I see my surrounding and I see it every day so , you know . Honestly and final I suspect highly , that seriously there is a necron lab under here and there all around , im not kiddin , I think that they controll this desease that mutates some of them in a storyline and they throw that on surface populus , controling people through that and other dark stuff and one of them is cybernetic controll that I think in huge part is even GIVEN by them to survail all above man , aint a joke , I mean remember a clue from a book says that there are suspicions that even on Terra there were some necrons and stlill might be deep deep very deep underground uspoted lookin like even by a scan propably as only some rock formation maybe , but just think about golden throne dude yyyy no one knows where ist beginning is who made it really , a big guy just found it strangly and it was not really a golden era creation coz he had it befor it happened , anyway , and you know there was nothing mentioned about pre time high tech development of any people from before but only some shamans and whatever that were a little diferent so Im waiting is there gonna be a book that reveals as a call it a prequel of what happened before emperor and maybe what knowlege was paseed on him that he hid and maybe some cpu has it under a golder throne in a little hid place :DDD ok I went far Good day or night .
I consider that the Emperor is a little older than the age of agriculture, (like, a few thousands years more than the first potato) since at that time shamans and human civilizations already existed.
@@nobleman9393 It's been hinted that the first murder happens in conjunction with the story of Cain murdering Abel So it's fits a lot to real life Anthropological theories of Adam & Eve fall from Genesis alludes to First Agricultural Revolution, Adam and Eve were the first farmers all while Cain and Abel were analogous to between Cain as Rural land owners and Abel as Shepherd, humanity story is all about inheritance and power of belief which makes sense to Warhammer 40K dualism (regardless of "Chaos" and "Order") to be rooted from the ever-clashing confrontation between Immaterium/The Warp and Materium (with both Chaos Undivided corruption and Necrons' anti-warp technological marvels being the infestations fighting each other) All while Tyrannids as counterbalance which ultimately became resetting point towards the Immaterium and Materium struggles
Celestine can't be 10,000 years old, The Sisters of Battle were established in M36. Edit: It turns out that Celestine was alive during the Siege of Terra, she died during it and was reincarnated in M36.
Yeah its a it of inconsistency caused by retcons. Celestine as human died during orbital bombardment if Terra during Horus Heresy. Then se reicarnated as sister Repentia and became Living Saint during Palatine Crusade sometime after/during Reign of terror fighting the still rebelling fractions caused by Vandire’s temper tantrum. Its hinted that She actually died, was reincarnamted and became a Saint few times before, and now when She dies She has to find her armor back with no memeories in the warp. When She collects armor, She regained all memories and manifest to help imperials again. So in theory, She can be around 40 if we count only her first death, 6000 years old if we count her first becoming official „living” Saint even tho She dies shit tone of times, 7000 years if we talk M42 timeline. Or we count only years She lived between each ressurection, so by now She would be like, dunno, a hundred years old since She was killed by Kharn at the beggining of M42? Yeah. Warp fuckery is bullshit and Emperor is Just another part of the warp
Beliasrius Cawl was just a few dozen years old during The Schism of Mars according to "The Great Works" (The Best WH40K book by my opinion). I do not remember if his exact age was mentioned on the date when he escaped Mars, but by the level of intellectual development for the person of his statue it can't be more than early forties. So he is just roughly 10k yo. Which yes, makes him the oldest man standing if to exclude trans-humans and perpetuals. But definitely couple of hundred years younger than Primarchs.
Yes and no.... remember he absorbed the being of others, specifically Ezekiel Sedayne, taking his memories and parts of his personality. Also, the Emperor spoke to Belisarius through Sedayne in some psychic way of looking into the future. This would technically make him much older than his original self.
@@jockobeans I didn't think of that, yes, The Emperor of Mankind talked with Sedayne once as it was Cawl. It should count for something. And, although it wasn't mentioned, Cawl being Cawl could easily absorb one of the lost perpetuals as well, he just can't remember it at the moment, all his memory being totally defragmented. Imagine the twist if Cawl suddenly remembers some instructions he received from The Emperor in, say 2023!
Cawl was IIRC explicitly stated as less than a century old during the Battle of Trisolian in *Wolf’s Bane.* I could be misremembering the exact age, but he was considered young enough that switching from discipline to discipline was still socially acceptable for the Mechanicum, but only just barely and he’d become an outcast if he didn’t settle into one soon.
But Cawl ist not just the Priest of Mars Cawl, he is also one of the Scientists developing Space Marines, its stated in his book that that scientist helped create the black carapace, and that he seeked to prolong his life by all means. So Cawl has all his knowlege because they mixed basically together, so we may call Cawl older than that,
Problem with these lists being the warp. Time dilation meaning you can't easily count 'age' by years since birth, hence the first level of the problems Guilliman ran into trying to institute a single, accurate galactic calendar.
That’s the whole point of the Warp, there’s no real time dilation effect since they’re not *technically* traveling FTL - it’s a completely different dimension where time does completely differently (if at all), which is why there’s instances of ships arriving at their destinations before they even left their point of origin. EDIT: Age would still be counted in years as normal, because inside a ship’s Gellar field time flows normally as it would in the material dimension. So no matter what effect the Warp has on time outside the ship (even throwing you several years/decades/centuries into the past or future) you still maintain your current age - which is why crews of ships that are sent forward in time aren’t all dead from old age, and ships sent back in time aren’t filled with infants (or nothing at all).
Your list is flawed. If you are going to count all dreadnoughts as a group, then no need to add Bjorn The Fellhanded separately. Secondly you can't count Celestine because she is technically an Imperial Daemon. She can be banished. Just like the leigons of the Damned can be. You put the High Lords of Terra on this list for some reason but left off the space marines who are functionally immortal. There are many who are hundreds of years old or more. The custodes and quite a few of the Adeptus Mechanicus. both groups have members who are thousands of years old.
There's nothing about the Blood Angels gene-seed that causes long life, all Astartes are indefinitely immortal as far as aging goes. No Astartes die of old age, Astartes die violently. Dante has just survived far far longer than most. Saint Celestine isn't 10k years old, technically she's also a form of demon at this point. I don't think there's anything about her age, the closest I've seen is she fought in a conflict called the Palatine Schism and that doesn't have a canon date as far as I'm aware but must have occurred after the age of Apostasy in M36, also she's been part warp entity for most of her existance and time doesn't flow the same for them.
@@brianpj5860 Though how much they aged is unknown, that's why I say "indefinitely immortal". No one knows exactly where the upper limit is. And I think they may have technicaly died less from the age itself and more from system shock brought about by the sudden aging.
Guilliman was in a chrono-stasis. So it doesn't really count. All Primarchs are a few hundred years old at best save for the Lion. He is the only one who has braved the millennia.
Uhm no offense but alot of your lists are flawed including this one, Saint Celestine cant be 10k years old as the sisters of battle were just formed around the 35th mellenium not during the horus heresy and Im no+t 100% sure but i think Horus destroyed Ollanius Pius' soul when he boarded his flagship , so he cant be reborn, kinda like how Grey knights and the Emperor can completely destroy deamons permanently
Where's Constantin Valdor, the first of the 10000, the shield of the Emperor and the Captain General of the Adeptus Custodes. He's older than everyone barring the Emperor and Pius.
I have a question Can other chapter of space marine or high ranking imperial ask for wisdom from their dreadnoughts or who ever has experience on that xenos for example Like the captain of the 4th company salamanders asking the felhanded for his wisdom?
Sigh, so much wrong in this video. So many were out of order, others left out completely. Plenty of loyal humans to choose from that are in their thousands.
Good Question, i believe, and do please correct me if i am wrong, but Malcador is said to have been around 6000 years old by the time of the Horus Heresy which waaasa around M31-32, so Malcador would have been born around M25-26
Necrons, kinda. Because of how old their technology is all the tiny problems have accumulated so the translation and rebuilding protocols sometimes fail. Demons can’t.
Your history has some holes in it; Grimnar is mentioned as facing his first major battle as Chapter Master in 444.M41, he was far from the youngest to achieve the rank, so he had to be 300+ by that time. Frostfang never belonged to Grimnar, Ragnar Blackmane is it's current wielder, Grimnar's is the Axe of Morkai. He is also much younger than Ulrik the Slayer, who was already a veteran Wolf Priest when he recruited Grimnar into the chapter. Celestine can't have come from earlier than the late 37th or early 38th millenium, as her resurrection was shortly followed by her discovery of Katherine's grave, which location had been lost for at least 1000 years, and the latter died in the late 600s.M36. Bjorn was known to be an experienced marine though not yet one of the Wolf Guard at the Burning of Prospero in 004.M31, so he's over 11000. Archmagos Dominus is not a unique title, Cawl is not the only one. He may (unconfirmed) have been one of the Emperor's assistants on the Astartes project, but not on the Thunder Warriors or Primarchs. Anval Thawn is less than a millenium old, but the like all Grey Knight names it's an alias that gets inherited, the new perpetual that met his first death in 800.M41 was not the same marine that was the first holder of the name in M31. Grammaticus, whatever else he may be, is a traitor to Humanity and a tool of the Ruinous Powers, his involvement in the corruption of Alpharius and the (temporary) murder of Vulcan is proof of that.
How can a Grey Knight be 20k (or even 10k) years old even if he was resurrected? The Grey Knights have only existed in their entirety since the very end of the Heresy, and even the Astartes who became the first ones weren’t themselves more than 2-3 centuries old even if they were amongst the first Astartes created - which they were not. EDIT: I saw the reference to him being a Perpetual, but I don’t recall any mentions of Perpetuals becoming (or being able to become) Astartes. Also, the only things I’ve ever seen regarding “natural” Perpetuals (I.e. not created or modified by the Emperor or Cabal) has shown they don’t just blink back into existence as they were at the instant they died; they have to effectively be reborn and relearn who they are, which would mean no flashing back to life as a full-fledged Astartes in the way Vulkan and Grammaticus and that one vault guardian from Molech (none of whom were “natural” Perpetuals) did.
Making Pious an eternal was a massive mistake and lessens a lot the original tale. He'll be a regular human for me always.
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@@Tomyironmane lol! Also very lore and real life accurate XD
Pious might have been a perpetual, but I'm 99% confident he dies (for good) during the fight between Horus and the Emperor. I'm okay with him being a perpetual. A random guardsman showing up on the bridge of the Vengeful Spirit doesn't make any sense.
@@Jagonath the first iteration of him being a Guardsman wasn’t aboard the Vengeful Spirit, it was an earlier incarnation when the final battle happened in the Imperial Palace. When it changed to being aboard the ship it was changed to either an Astartes or Custodian. The closest we ever got to an “official ruling” was “it’s a legend so there’s inconsistencies, believe whatever you want.” Which I thought was pretty cool.
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Ollanus Pius is was a Christian, but such a badass that the Emperor allowed him to live and continue following his religious beliefs.
Yes he is catar
@@vladimirthegreen6097 Catheric, ie Catholic.
That’s my kind of brother in Christ.
The Custodes were created before the Space Marines. Constantin Valdor was the first. He was with the Emperor during the Unification Wars. At least one custodes should be on this list.
You can add the crew on board the Federation voidship Blade of Infinity, launched in M24. They still travel around in M42, warning the Imperials of Chaos invasions they can predict with their temporal engines.
The crew of the Spirit of Eternity lived almost as long, until they landed on a Imperial world and were burned at the stake for heresy.
Saint Celestine is not 10,000 years old, as the Order of Our Martyred Lady, the order she belonged to as a mortal wasn't founded until M36,378. So, at best, assuming she was a founding member, she would be at most 4 thousand years old.
But if the emperor resurected her--that had to have been during his active years which was 10k ago?
She lived during The Siege of Terra ;)
I was about to say like how can she be alive since the Heresy since the Adepta Sororitas werent a thing back then.
@@mumbo_fuze2484 she was not an a sororitas, read siege of terra ;)
@@lescopains554no she did not. She was alive during the Age of Apostasy, when the Sisters of Battle first appeared. She’s beloved to have been a Sister Repentia of the Order of Our Martyred Lady,
And to think, the Silent King has been alive and active for at least 60 million years
I don't think sitting on your throne counting grains of sand can be called 'active'.
@@EarthenGames So, after that three week trip it took to take notice - what did he do the other 60 million years? Counting sand grains I'd wager ;)
Adepta Sororitas only existed for 4000 years, imperial saints existed for 10,000 years for sure. But she’s not that ancient.
Bruh. You can't even get basic info right lol. Frostfang is the sword used by Ragnar Blackmane. Logan uses the Armour of Asvald Stormwrack amd his weapon is the Axe morkai which is a khornate axe reformed from a champion of khorne
Ok nerd.
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@@snuouun9672he's right tho, you watch video to be misinformed or what?
A bit mean for some arbitrary fantasy facts no?
Agreed, this smells like heresy
You are forgetting Ulric the slayer who is older than Logan
called him young logan once.
what about blood angels sergeant guarding sanguineous grave? you know the one that was Dante's sergeant when Dante was just a scout marine
Didn't get die in the devastation
Grimnar wields the Axe of Morkai and his armor is not currently named.
Well a few problems john grimaticus isnt with eldrad but currently with vulkan in the end and the dead pt1 and olanious pious is actually olanious person and so far not the one who sacrificed his life but will be garviel loken by how things are being set up.
Saint C is 10k old. There were no Sisters of Battle during the Heresy. They where created after the Age of Apostasy around m36.
😂 this video is terrible and full of errors
Wait how one grey knight older than primach? Like aren't grey knight establisted by end of horus heresy? So how one space marine older than that?
I don’t know the specific lore but I would assume the following:
All marines were human beforehand how young they need to be depends on the chapter and specific book though.
The charachter in question is a perpetual meaning he will return whenever killed in some way. In this case in his full grey knight strength. He likely lived quite some time before the heresy was adopted into a legion as a space marine survived the heresy and was then appointed to the grey knights
what song did you use for this video its dope
Malcador?
The 2nd Chaptrer is called High Lords of Terror for some reason....
kyril sindermann should be on this list a normal human who lived 1600 years ...
Belesarius is 12k+ according to his book.
What about the Thunder Warriors?
your videos are very nice to learn cool stuff from 40k universe! ty!
this video is not even lore correct
There are several errors here, but your editing is good.
Thank you for the information now I can sleep in peace
Diddnt Cyrene get killed during the Horus Heresy?!?! Around the time of the Ruinstorm during the war in Ultramar??
I specifically remember Angron making fun on Argal-Tal for not being able to protect her, in an effort to provoke him.
What is the story behind her survival?
She turns up in the later Siege of Terra novels.
She was killed by Custodes, but resurrected using an unholy ritual performed by Erebus at Argel Tal's request. She was later confirmed to have been made a perpetual from this ritual by another perpetual, Damon Prytanis.
Logan Grimnar doesnt use frost fang, i think thats Ragnar Blackmane. Grimnar used the Axe Morkai.
Ah yes, Primarch of the space wolves Lemon Russ ...
seriously?
LEMON?!?
Leman Russ
not lemon
Are the Sororitas not founded way after the Heresy by a false new Emperor from the Ecclesiarchy?
Age in 40k is a question of objective vs subjective timeframes. E.g. Bjorn is objectively 10k years old, but subjectively has only experienced a few decades since 30k. The rest of the time he's asleep.
You should review all your infos and sources. Saying shit about the 40k Lore, you ll get banished into the warp.
whats the theme in the background?
This doesn't really make sense, celestine is only a few thousand years old and did not exist in the heresy, the sisters of battle were established way later.
The primarchs are not different ages, all were created simultaneously but rediscovered at different times. If your using their order numbers as a means of whose oldest then lion might be slightly older being the first primarch.
There's also an argument of guilliman actually being only a couple thousand years as he was in stasis for most of his time which literally pause time within them.
Cawl is an interesting one as it depends on if you mean bellisarius himself or the people that comprise the being now known as cawl, one of whom is ezekial sedaine, one of the genetic scientists who helped create the space marines in the first place, who is noted to have used rejuvenation for so long that it no longer works when they joined with cawl.
That said this also goes the other way as cawl isn't immortal, he staves off death by continuously cloning his own brain and rewriting it to match his current one and running multiple brains in conjunction (hence cawl isn't even one single person) so there's the argument if if you go by his oldest consciousness it's sedaine at 12-13 thousand years, or by his oldest clone brain which is likely only a few hundred years. (The cawl inferior device in guillimans possession is likely another clone brain)
The blood angels don't live notably longer than other marines to my knowledge which is why Dante is impressive.
Honestly most of this list could just be the perpetuals. Such as urda, John grammaticus, Damon pratanis, ollanius of course and I'm sure there's more I'm forgetting. Though some aren't really full perps, John just gets resurrected by dark elder so it's not true perpetuality.
That said, perps can be truly killed, and we don't know which survive the heresy yet, urda and John likely don't. Ollanius almost certainly not though the story about him standing before horus already has an alternative explanation anyway so that might not happen at all.
Nice, but you forgot the custodes
Many of the named characters are too cool to wear helmets eh?
Sorry, Sisters of Battle don´t exist before M36 so Celestine is not 10,000 years old... and she is caught in a circle of rebirth
Emperor was not born in 8th millenium BC.. The Death and End clearly states that he was around two or three hundred years old when he witnessed some cave paintings being made. And that is far far before 8th millenium BC. Please go read some 40k books from time to time, don't just siphon wiki and forums only.
Olanus is not older than Emperor because Emperor was created from the first human shamans existing, he is not even a lore canon.
Yes he is cannon he was involved in the Horus heresy and at that time he thinks he's around 45k years old placing his birth at around 15k BC although he isn't totally sure of the date.
The Emperor wasn't created by the first shamans, human shamans noticed that after each generation they where becoming fewer and fewer in number and figured that it was chaos doing. So those that where left came up with the plan to combine their strength into one resulting in the "birth" of the Emperor around 8k BC.
@@newhope33 No he is not a cannon, the story of him is just a variant of other story that a A* space marine, B* Solar Auxilia soldier C* custodess. Used his own body to shield Emperor in fight with his son. The truth is that was a marine, a story about Auxilia soldier is just a part of propaganda, go read the actuall books and you will know
Technically the empire is probably 100,000 years old
There were no sisters of battle during the Horus heresy! Primarchs are not humans
Leaving out Chaos Marines is a cop-out, given how Abaddon, Kharn, Typhus, Lucius, Fabius Bile, Erebus and Ahriman have all been around since the Heresy as have the founding members of the Black Legion.
Though due to how the warp works it's actually hard to pin down their exact age, they may be 10,000 years old in real-space but they may only be a couple of thousand, maybe even just a few hundred years in actual lived time.
@@TheAnon03 If the list in the video can include dreadnoughts and tech-priests I think there's room for warp shenanigans.
No Adeptus Custodes?
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Bruh its obvious the oldest human in 42k
Is Adam
The first human ever duh
Bro srl putting
Ollanius Pius as 1
Even though He died during horus heresy being 46k old according to your age
This video is so wrong lol the Emperor was born in prehistoroc times...
emm ok....just only ONE ...SINGLE THING ....dude YOU Wont Belive . READ IT
:So subject is , UNBELIVABLE , you look at those depictions of people from this video , ok they are pretty old really but , I trutfully promise you by telling you that siriously Every single one of them I specially recently and some in a past ,, I have SEEN THEM exactly the SAME FACES on few people near me , and obviously a version of them as I seen them is less muscular? obviously but maan this guy Grammatics literally Lives near me as a neighbour . I have witnesed here where I live in lots of people to be super look alike even otheres from now on as we live in this times recently and they even wear same clothes , ......STRANGE?!!!!! but this is really happening and I hope this will be to anyone reading a interesting comment that might bring you some thoughts about wtf we live in ,,,maybe, but maybe its just nothing for you and stupid , maybe you think that I took some drugs and you wanna tell me to change a dealer coz this one way to hard, or something but it is just and only my version of how I see my surrounding and I see it every day so , you know . Honestly and final I suspect highly , that seriously there is a necron lab under here and there all around , im not kiddin , I think that they controll this desease that mutates some of them in a storyline and they throw that on surface populus , controling people through that and other dark stuff and one of them is cybernetic controll that I think in huge part is even GIVEN by them to survail all above man , aint a joke , I mean remember a clue from a book says that there are suspicions that even on Terra there were some necrons and stlill might be deep deep very deep underground uspoted lookin like even by a scan propably as only some rock formation maybe , but just think about golden throne dude yyyy no one knows where ist beginning is who made it really , a big guy just found it strangly and it was not really a golden era creation coz he had it befor it happened , anyway , and you know there was nothing mentioned about pre time high tech development of any people from before but only some shamans and whatever that were a little diferent so Im waiting is there gonna be a book that reveals as a call it a prequel of what happened before emperor and maybe what knowlege was paseed on him that he hid and maybe some cpu has it under a golder throne in a little hid place :DDD
ok I went far Good day or night .
50k old? like how? So the guy has borned in time of cavemen and some how survived last 50k years. Sounds pretty stupid story if you ask from me...
Humans have been around for 190,000 years already humans didn't just crawl from the earth 2000 years ago.
@@Toxic_Trashbag Oh thanks for the answer. I’m kinda new to this stuff and I’m playing some warhammer 40k games :D
@@YOGI-kb9tg yea, and our sun is 4 billion years old and dinosaurs lived 65 millions years ago..
@@Toxic_Trashbag *Perpetuals.
@@igozi5728 and how is it stupid for someone to live 50k years that's just immortality it's a common fantasy trope.
I consider that the Emperor is a little older than the age of agriculture, (like, a few thousands years more than the first potato) since at that time shamans and human civilizations already existed.
The Emperor's uncle killed his Father to take his land for himself, so probably as old as the agriculture.
That'd probably make him about 50,000
@@nobleman9393 It's been hinted that the first murder happens in conjunction with the story of Cain murdering Abel
So it's fits a lot to real life Anthropological theories of Adam & Eve fall from Genesis alludes to First Agricultural Revolution, Adam and Eve were the first farmers all while Cain and Abel were analogous to between Cain as Rural land owners and Abel as Shepherd, humanity story is all about inheritance and power of belief which makes sense to Warhammer 40K dualism (regardless of "Chaos" and "Order") to be rooted from the ever-clashing confrontation between Immaterium/The Warp and Materium (with both Chaos Undivided corruption and Necrons' anti-warp technological marvels being the infestations fighting each other)
All while Tyrannids as counterbalance which ultimately became resetting point towards the Immaterium and Materium struggles
Celestine can't be 10,000 years old, The Sisters of Battle were established in M36.
Edit: It turns out that Celestine was alive during the Siege of Terra, she died during it and was reincarnated in M36.
She is a greater daemon which is not even human
I’m pretty sure she was there during siege of terra and plus the emperor at that time also had the legion of the damned so it’s not impossible
Yeah its a it of inconsistency caused by retcons. Celestine as human died during orbital bombardment if Terra during Horus Heresy. Then se reicarnated as sister Repentia and became Living Saint during Palatine Crusade sometime after/during Reign of terror fighting the still rebelling fractions caused by Vandire’s temper tantrum.
Its hinted that She actually died, was reincarnamted and became a Saint few times before, and now when She dies She has to find her armor back with no memeories in the warp. When She collects armor, She regained all memories and manifest to help imperials again.
So in theory, She can be around 40 if we count only her first death, 6000 years old if we count her first becoming official „living” Saint even tho She dies shit tone of times, 7000 years if we talk M42 timeline. Or we count only years She lived between each ressurection, so by now She would be like, dunno, a hundred years old since She was killed by Kharn at the beggining of M42?
Yeah. Warp fuckery is bullshit and Emperor is Just another part of the warp
All just the Horus Heresy Novells Sh....t
Just to sell
Disgusting 😢🤢
Celestine appeared in M36/37 and not earlier
The sisters of battle were called the daughters of the emperor before m36
Beliasrius Cawl was just a few dozen years old during The Schism of Mars according to "The Great Works" (The Best WH40K book by my opinion). I do not remember if his exact age was mentioned on the date when he escaped Mars, but by the level of intellectual development for the person of his statue it can't be more than early forties. So he is just roughly 10k yo. Which yes, makes him the oldest man standing if to exclude trans-humans and perpetuals. But definitely couple of hundred years younger than Primarchs.
Yes, that is stated in Wolf's Bane. Bjorn is probably about 50- 100 older than Cawl at this point seeing as he was already an Astartes.
Yes and no.... remember he absorbed the being of others, specifically Ezekiel Sedayne, taking his memories and parts of his personality. Also, the Emperor spoke to Belisarius through Sedayne in some psychic way of looking into the future. This would technically make him much older than his original self.
@@jockobeans I didn't think of that, yes, The Emperor of Mankind talked with Sedayne once as it was Cawl. It should count for something. And, although it wasn't mentioned, Cawl being Cawl could easily absorb one of the lost perpetuals as well, he just can't remember it at the moment, all his memory being totally defragmented. Imagine the twist if Cawl suddenly remembers some instructions he received from The Emperor in, say 2023!
Cawl was IIRC explicitly stated as less than a century old during the Battle of Trisolian in *Wolf’s Bane.* I could be misremembering the exact age, but he was considered young enough that switching from discipline to discipline was still socially acceptable for the Mechanicum, but only just barely and he’d become an outcast if he didn’t settle into one soon.
But Cawl ist not just the Priest of Mars Cawl, he is also one of the Scientists developing Space Marines, its stated in his book that that scientist helped create the black carapace, and that he seeked to prolong his life by all means. So Cawl has all his knowlege because they mixed basically together, so we may call Cawl older than that,
Problem with these lists being the warp. Time dilation meaning you can't easily count 'age' by years since birth, hence the first level of the problems Guilliman ran into trying to institute a single, accurate galactic calendar.
That’s the whole point of the Warp, there’s no real time dilation effect since they’re not *technically* traveling FTL - it’s a completely different dimension where time does completely differently (if at all), which is why there’s instances of ships arriving at their destinations before they even left their point of origin.
EDIT: Age would still be counted in years as normal, because inside a ship’s Gellar field time flows normally as it would in the material dimension. So no matter what effect the Warp has on time outside the ship (even throwing you several years/decades/centuries into the past or future) you still maintain your current age - which is why crews of ships that are sent forward in time aren’t all dead from old age, and ships sent back in time aren’t filled with infants (or nothing at all).
Classic definition of Games Workshop that can change time, lore and tolerance whatever their only true god commands him/her/its: our money
Keep grinding and you’ll get to 10k subs in no time.
4:55 THE SISTERS OF BATTLE DIDN'T EXIST DURING THE HORUS HERESY.
Your list is flawed. If you are going to count all dreadnoughts as a group, then no need to add Bjorn The Fellhanded separately. Secondly you can't count Celestine because she is technically an Imperial Daemon. She can be banished. Just like the leigons of the Damned can be. You put the High Lords of Terra on this list for some reason but left off the space marines who are functionally immortal. There are many who are hundreds of years old or more. The custodes and quite a few of the Adeptus Mechanicus. both groups have members who are thousands of years old.
There's nothing about the Blood Angels gene-seed that causes long life, all Astartes are indefinitely immortal as far as aging goes. No Astartes die of old age, Astartes die violently. Dante has just survived far far longer than most.
Saint Celestine isn't 10k years old, technically she's also a form of demon at this point. I don't think there's anything about her age, the closest I've seen is she fought in a conflict called the Palatine Schism and that doesn't have a canon date as far as I'm aware but must have occurred after the age of Apostasy in M36, also she's been part warp entity for most of her existance and time doesn't flow the same for them.
The astartes who fought the Hrud, during the great crusade, Definitely died of old age…
@@brianpj5860 Though how much they aged is unknown, that's why I say "indefinitely immortal". No one knows exactly where the upper limit is. And I think they may have technicaly died less from the age itself and more from system shock brought about by the sudden aging.
@@TheAnon03 If they degrade by aging, it also means that they will die at some point. It's better to describe astartes as "stupidly long lifespan"
Guilliman was in a chrono-stasis. So it doesn't really count. All Primarchs are a few hundred years old at best save for the Lion. He is the only one who has braved the millennia.
vulkan is propably still defending the planet caldera after the events of "the beast arises"...
Well, not really. You're forgetting about Chaos Primarchs
Uhm no offense but alot of your lists are flawed including this one, Saint Celestine cant be 10k years old as the sisters of battle were just formed around the 35th mellenium not during the horus heresy and Im no+t 100% sure but i think Horus destroyed Ollanius Pius' soul when he boarded his flagship , so he cant be reborn, kinda like how Grey knights and the Emperor can completely destroy deamons permanently
Sister of battle wasn't exist in time of horus heresy
Logan Grimnar does NOT wield Frostfang. You're also missing Ulric the Slayer at roughly 1000 years between Grminar and Dante.
logan grimnar wields an axe called morkai not a blade as also seen in the artwork used in the video. frostfang is used by ragnar blackmane
Celestine age is wrong
You know that the sororitas were found after the rule of Vendire between M36 and M37? Celestine first lived in M41, she is never older than 1000 years
Where's Constantin Valdor, the first of the 10000, the shield of the Emperor and the Captain General of the Adeptus Custodes. He's older than everyone barring the Emperor and Pius.
The grey knights were created during the horus heresy. How can one be older than 12,000 years?????
Marneus Calgar isn't even the oldest ultramarines...
Olivia Sureka?
Yeah getting facts from 40K lore can be a bit tricky but, but you sadly got more wrong than right in this video, while not even being very precise.
I have a question
Can other chapter of space marine or high ranking imperial ask for wisdom from their dreadnoughts or who ever has experience on that xenos for example
Like the captain of the 4th company salamanders asking the felhanded for his wisdom?
Sigh, so much wrong in this video. So many were out of order, others left out completely. Plenty of loyal humans to choose from that are in their thousands.
The amount of things that you’ve got wrong in this video is actually laughable
This video is *_wildly_* inaccurate. That’s it.
first off there is nobody older than the emperor.
If your going to make videos like this get facts right 😂
Valdor is far older than almost anyone on the list
This video is just wrong
Lemon russ haha
during the horus heresy there were no sisters of battle!
I would be happy just to make it to 50
what about Vulcan? He's a perpetual.
you forgot about the thunder warrior survivors...
Where's Erda? You know, Mother of the Primarchs....Emp's old girlfriend...a perpetual. Where is she at on your list?
She's dead Erebus killed during the siege of terra.
Where is our homie Malcador the Sigillite??
Good Question, i believe, and do please correct me if i am wrong, but Malcador is said to have been around 6000 years old by the time of the Horus Heresy which waaasa around M31-32, so Malcador would have been born around M25-26
The emperor is way to older than 49k years xd he borned in the prehistory
No his birth was around 8k BC in the Anatolia region.
What about Merir Astelan, Terran-born dark angel who was in the legion before they even discovred their primarch, is still alive, and is a loyalist
yeah, also i know malcador is dead but hey he lived at least 5000 years. should at least have been a honorary mention
Wait..grammaticus is alive?
Constantine Valdor?
He is almost 20,000 old OR MORE.
I dont think hes that old
Isn't he dead?
@@AximandTheCursed maby
You’re trolling right?
@@Or_Am_I_Alpharius Are you serious?
can necrons die by age?
what about demons?
Necrons, kinda. Because of how old their technology is all the tiny problems have accumulated so the translation and rebuilding protocols sometimes fail.
Demons can’t.
Your history has some holes in it; Grimnar is mentioned as facing his first major battle as Chapter Master in 444.M41, he was far from the youngest to achieve the rank, so he had to be 300+ by that time. Frostfang never belonged to Grimnar, Ragnar Blackmane is it's current wielder, Grimnar's is the Axe of Morkai. He is also much younger than Ulrik the Slayer, who was already a veteran Wolf Priest when he recruited Grimnar into the chapter. Celestine can't have come from earlier than the late 37th or early 38th millenium, as her resurrection was shortly followed by her discovery of Katherine's grave, which location had been lost for at least 1000 years, and the latter died in the late 600s.M36. Bjorn was known to be an experienced marine though not yet one of the Wolf Guard at the Burning of Prospero in 004.M31, so he's over 11000. Archmagos Dominus is not a unique title, Cawl is not the only one. He may (unconfirmed) have been one of the Emperor's assistants on the Astartes project, but not on the Thunder Warriors or Primarchs. Anval Thawn is less than a millenium old, but the like all Grey Knight names it's an alias that gets inherited, the new perpetual that met his first death in 800.M41 was not the same marine that was the first holder of the name in M31. Grammaticus, whatever else he may be, is a traitor to Humanity and a tool of the Ruinous Powers, his involvement in the corruption of Alpharius and the (temporary) murder of Vulcan is proof of that.
How can a Grey Knight be 20k (or even 10k) years old even if he was resurrected? The Grey Knights have only existed in their entirety since the very end of the Heresy, and even the Astartes who became the first ones weren’t themselves more than 2-3 centuries old even if they were amongst the first Astartes created - which they were not.
EDIT: I saw the reference to him being a Perpetual, but I don’t recall any mentions of Perpetuals becoming (or being able to become) Astartes. Also, the only things I’ve ever seen regarding “natural” Perpetuals (I.e. not created or modified by the Emperor or Cabal) has shown they don’t just blink back into existence as they were at the instant they died; they have to effectively be reborn and relearn who they are, which would mean no flashing back to life as a full-fledged Astartes in the way Vulkan and Grammaticus and that one vault guardian from Molech (none of whom were “natural” Perpetuals) did.
Ulric is older than Logan ^^
CAWL!!! Belisarius, Belisarius Cawl. BANG! Friedisch? Friedisch. Bang. CAWL! BANG!
didnt sergeant telion Train calgar when calgar was still a scout? i'm pretty sure the 5th or 6th edition marine codex mentions that
Whats the instrumental you use called ? its too good
The other perpetuals are almost as old as the emperor and Ollanus
arent the high lords of terra dead? Killed by a "blue" boy?
logan grimnar is 1100 years old actually
Aint Valdor 15k years old
Dante is over 1600...
Wow
Roboute Guilliman is between 1000 and 2000 years old. His time in stasis is not representative, Stasis is zero time.
for him maybe, for rest of the universe, not. time flows disregarding person being in stasis...
Ollanius Pius death in Horus Heresy you morron. That make him 46000 years Old, not 56000.
Also old lore about him was better being just an mortal guardsman
He said if he was alive, not that he was.
John Grammaticus's first death was during WW2.. so he's around 40,000 years old..
Gotta love the discounting of traitors since heretics aren't human... Someone's well and truly drunk the Coolaid.....