I think creativity may stop during the time it takes to raise a family &/or focus on a career, but lots of retired people make art that’s far beyond their youth because they have had time to also focus on skill building. 💜
I watched Beato's video, but right before that, I watched a video of a psychologist who said that research has shown that creativity begins to decline after age 25.
LOL . . as a 76yo musician whose been performing as a singer-songwriter for 60 years I firmly say NO. If you are a 'creative' person that is just *_part_* of who you are. But, experience has also shown me that the _Muse_ is a fickle Goddess, and she comes around when she damn well pleases, no matter how hard you are struggling. JMHO
i think that the need for younger and newer ideas plays a role. I also think that Rick has been looking at this from an interesting perspective. He trained his son to be a musician and I think hes the type of guy who will be the first to show his receipts... If it is a science to him, its no wonder that he breaks these things down to numbers, figures, and patterns. If statistically hes correct, we all get to try and be the one who is the outlier in the statistics.
I think that the reality is that musicians may just change after 30 as they have often been through the bands period and come out different. Some over 30s musicians have come out with their greatest music later in life, when some others should not have bothered. More likely that outside influences in later life affect individuals differently.
I think playing an instrument and writing lyrics are two different animals. You can learn to play and/or get good at any age as long as you have time to practice and play with intent. Writing lyrics is much more tricky. There are a lot of factors that change as you get older. I think raw emotional lyrics are a young man's game, but an older songwriter can really master storytelling. This is why rock and hip hop are appealing to the youth, and country and folkish music are more appealing as you get older.
I also think a lot of musicians just burn out or fall off. Some of them have achieved their dream and now sleep on satin sheets. Others get jaded by the industry and lose the drive or abandon the magic. The rest destroy their minds by non stop partying. Those types often get trapped in arrested development and their art reflects their lack of growth.
There is also the possibility that we just fall out of love with an artist over time. Would we still think the later songs are as lackluster if they were released on earlier albums? There are bands who I love for an album or two, and then never listen to anything by them after that. Sometimes I bail before the peak of their popularity. I could judge them for "Selling out" but it's usually just a matter of being out of synch with their changing tastes.
I’m thinking it’s just that musicians use up all their original ideas by their 30s, I’m sure as you’re in your 20s you get the freedom to make the music you thought about as a teenager, you’d then smash out as many of your ideas as fast as possible to try and get as many of you ideas out there. There’s only so much water in the cup
I don’t understand people’s obsession with Rick Beato. He doesn’t seem extraordinarily intellectual or anything, most of his videos seem to be him literally just pointing out things happening in the song he’s playing, I don’t get it!!!!
Hi there. Long time, no comment from me, but: Yes it does. I would say 35. Think about it: Take any artist, look at their work. around 35 they are often just repeating their greatest hits...but on the other side some one like Peter Gabriel makes an Album in his 70ies that totally destoys the theorie.. ;-)
Tool , meshuggah , opeth , gojira etc still putting out some of their best work .... Also for me , I draw / pain as a hobby and some of my best work has been in my 30s .. it's on a spectrum I guess you do need to be motivated to create
Popular musicians peak in their mid twenties because they are connected with the culture and able to create egotistical, immature ‘rock star stuff’ that is eaten up because our culture is obsessed with youth and beauty. As we age we realize that what our culture is interested in is not particularly good or worth playing and we create other, better things. They just don’t sell.
What actually happens when people get past 30: They have other things going on in the lives besides their creative expression. They are considered less marketable so are photographed and written about less. If they have an audience, their audience is less receptive to their new work than the work that established their reputation. David Bowie’s final album Blackstar is both accessible and imbued with a strong creative vision. In any objective artistic comparison it is superior to Let’s Dance, his most commercial work 30 years earlier.
Rick Beato's theory collapses when he talk about jazzmen. Would Jazz give more creativity after 30? Bullshit. It's not a question of musical genre. From the age of 20 (and even before) your creativity is limitless, then, you ask yourself questions about the meaning of your work and your life. Intelligence has nothing to do with it, IMO. Thanks guys.
No record company or media company is going to promote my rock band. I am doing original songs and my work is quite creative. But I am 65 years old. Youth culture is where it’s at. It doesn’t matter how creative I am if I’m doing rock ‘n’ roll. This is why you will see old guys playing jazz, because there they can be revered. But this is not true in pop or rock or hip-hop. A lot of things change as you get older. Sex changes, but it doesn’t get worse, at least for me, it gets richer and more spiritual. Music gets perhaps less Ebullient, I am not jumping around on stage like I’m 16, but there is more depth to my songwriting. I agreed with another person who posted that Ric doesn’t really seem very intellectual or to have a very deep analysis. And his musical taste are incredibly narrow. He bitches about technology and about how shallow pop music is, but a lot of what he likes is really shallow, corporate polished pop crap. So I don’t know what the hell he’s complaining about. He has occasionally mentioned musicians like Low, or Frank Zappa, so he’s not just into corporate. But a hell of a lot of the music that he likes is insufferably, shiny polished turds.
The theory developed by Raymond Cattell on fluid intelligence and crystallized intelligence has nothing to do with creativity in music or in the arts in general. This is Rick Beato's mistake. I didn't watch his video but that of Andy Edwards who provides a contradictory and ironic response.
It's not an issue of age. Most young Rock Stars either die of drugs or they have rotted their mind. There is some truth to what you say about the maliability of the mind as one ages, but it is a minor factor. Rick is not right about much.
It was a stupid remark. There's always an exception to the rule and in that age bracket you're more likely to be an active artist and you're way way way more marketable. And how you gonna use Cobain and Hendrix?!
I don't know, I like Rick a lot, but I think he's dipping his toes into controversial, click-baity topics for views on this one. We could all name a billion artists whose best work was after 30.
Pretty much, yes ... one can be creative into old age, but the stunning creativity of youth drops off, especially for the great artists and mathematicians.
I’m thinking it’s just that musicians use up all their original ideas by their 30s, I’m sure as you’re in your 20s you get the freedom to make the music you thought about as a teenager, you’d then smash out as many of your ideas as fast as possible to try and get as many of you ideas out there. There’s only so much water in the cup
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I think creativity may stop during the time it takes to raise a family &/or focus on a career, but lots of retired people make art that’s far beyond their youth because they have had time to also focus on skill building. 💜
Exactly why the commenter stated what they said.
Matter of fact, creativity stops when you stop caring about your craft, and just does something for the sake of sound something.
I watched Beato's video, but right before that, I watched a video of a psychologist who said that research has shown that creativity begins to decline after age 25.
Do you have a link to that video?
LOL . . as a 76yo musician whose been performing as a singer-songwriter for 60 years I firmly say NO. If you are a 'creative' person that is just *_part_* of who you are. But, experience has also shown me that the _Muse_ is a fickle Goddess, and she comes around when she damn well pleases, no matter how hard you are struggling. JMHO
No. Some people just run out of things to say. And he's ridiculously parochial in his tastes.
Creativity doesn't decline. It's the experience of past failures that makes it more difficult in later years to overcome self judgment.
Agreed
Fuck I hope not. I've just got back into making art at 50.
i think that the need for younger and newer ideas plays a role. I also think that Rick has been looking at this from an interesting perspective. He trained his son to be a musician and I think hes the type of guy who will be the first to show his receipts... If it is a science to him, its no wonder that he breaks these things down to numbers, figures, and patterns. If statistically hes correct, we all get to try and be the one who is the outlier in the statistics.
I think that the reality is that musicians may just change after 30 as they have often been through the bands period and come out different. Some over 30s musicians have come out with their greatest music later in life, when some others should not have bothered. More likely that outside influences in later life affect individuals differently.
It's not the writing at all. The industry markets young people. Simple as that
I think playing an instrument and writing lyrics are two different animals. You can learn to play and/or get good at any age as long as you have time to practice and play with intent. Writing lyrics is much more tricky. There are a lot of factors that change as you get older. I think raw emotional lyrics are a young man's game, but an older songwriter can really master storytelling. This is why rock and hip hop are appealing to the youth, and country and folkish music are more appealing as you get older.
I also think a lot of musicians just burn out or fall off. Some of them have achieved their dream and now sleep on satin sheets. Others get jaded by the industry and lose the drive or abandon the magic. The rest destroy their minds by non stop partying. Those types often get trapped in arrested development and their art reflects their lack of growth.
There is also the possibility that we just fall out of love with an artist over time. Would we still think the later songs are as lackluster if they were released on earlier albums? There are bands who I love for an album or two, and then never listen to anything by them after that. Sometimes I bail before the peak of their popularity. I could judge them for "Selling out" but it's usually just a matter of being out of synch with their changing tastes.
I’m thinking it’s just that musicians use up all their original ideas by their 30s, I’m sure as you’re in your 20s you get the freedom to make the music you thought about as a teenager, you’d then smash out as many of your ideas as fast as possible to try and get as many of you ideas out there.
There’s only so much water in the cup
0-30 is a hell of a lot of new experiences. 30-dead is a hell of a lot less.
@ aaah,,,, yeah
I don’t understand people’s obsession with Rick Beato. He doesn’t seem extraordinarily intellectual or anything, most of his videos seem to be him literally just pointing out things happening in the song he’s playing, I don’t get it!!!!
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One also has to take into consideration that some of these Artists became drug addicts and over time this caused their creative flame to burn out.
Hi there. Long time, no comment from me, but: Yes it does. I would say 35. Think about it: Take any artist, look at their work. around 35 they are often just repeating their greatest hits...but on the other side some one like Peter Gabriel makes an Album in his 70ies that totally destoys the theorie.. ;-)
Tool , meshuggah , opeth , gojira etc still putting out some of their best work .... Also for me , I draw / pain as a hobby and some of my best work has been in my 30s .. it's on a spectrum I guess you do need to be motivated to create
agree with what you said ;)
Did someone make a bet with Rick Beato to see how many bad music takes he can make in one year?
Lmao
Popular musicians peak in their mid twenties because they are connected with the culture and able to create egotistical, immature ‘rock star stuff’ that is eaten up because our culture is obsessed with youth and beauty. As we age we realize that what our culture is interested in is not particularly good or worth playing and we create other, better things. They just don’t sell.
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"Jimi Hendrix ... and Kurt Cobain released their defining work in their 20s" - yes, it's odd how their output dropped aft after they got to 27.
Exactly what we were saying
Just because he has said nothing creative or intelligent since he turned 30, 32 years ago doesn't mean its true for others.
No, he is analyzing big stars who at 30 already did and got everything in life
What actually happens when people get past 30: They have other things going on in the lives besides their creative expression. They are considered less marketable so are photographed and written about less. If they have an audience, their audience is less receptive to their new work than the work that established their reputation. David Bowie’s final album Blackstar is both accessible and imbued with a strong creative vision. In any objective artistic comparison it is superior to Let’s Dance, his most commercial work 30 years earlier.
Rick Beato's theory collapses when he talk about jazzmen. Would Jazz give more creativity after 30? Bullshit. It's not a question of musical genre. From the age of 20 (and even before) your creativity is limitless, then, you ask yourself questions about the meaning of your work and your life. Intelligence has nothing to do with it, IMO. Thanks guys.
How do I block all videos concerning Beato?
Lol
As for Grumpy Grandpa Rick ,,,,
Picasso was 22 when he did Guernica right?
There's no questioning the difference between a teenage brain and 30+
No record company or media company is going to promote my rock band. I am doing original songs and my work is quite creative. But I am 65 years old. Youth culture is where it’s at. It doesn’t matter how creative I am if I’m doing rock ‘n’ roll. This is why you will see old guys playing jazz, because there they can be revered. But this is not true in pop or rock or hip-hop.
A lot of things change as you get older. Sex changes, but it doesn’t get worse, at least for me, it gets richer and more spiritual. Music gets perhaps less Ebullient, I am not jumping around on stage like I’m 16, but there is more depth to my songwriting.
I agreed with another person who posted that Ric doesn’t really seem very intellectual or to have a very deep analysis. And his musical taste are incredibly narrow. He bitches about technology and about how shallow pop music is, but a lot of what he likes is really shallow, corporate polished pop crap. So I don’t know what the hell he’s complaining about. He has occasionally mentioned musicians like Low, or Frank Zappa, so he’s not just into corporate. But a hell of a lot of the music that he likes is insufferably, shiny polished turds.
The theory developed by Raymond Cattell on fluid intelligence and crystallized intelligence has nothing to do with creativity in music or in the arts in general. This is Rick Beato's mistake. I didn't watch his video but that of Andy Edwards who provides a contradictory and ironic response.
It's not an issue of age. Most young Rock Stars either die of drugs or they have rotted their mind. There is some truth to what you say about the maliability of the mind as one ages, but it is a minor factor.
Rick is not right about much.
Rick is probably right.
It was a stupid remark. There's always an exception to the rule and in that age bracket you're more likely to be an active artist and you're way way way more marketable. And how you gonna use Cobain and Hendrix?!
His opinions are all based on what is widely popular to the masses and have no bearing on reality
I don't know, I like Rick a lot, but I think he's dipping his toes into controversial, click-baity topics for views on this one. We could all name a billion artists whose best work was after 30.
Dude is just old and clinging to the past, his past. Definitely has an ego bigger than himself
Nah he’s just an old guy that yells at clouds.. has great interviews but his opinions on psychology are best left alone.
Pretty much, yes ... one can be creative into old age, but the stunning creativity of youth drops off, especially for the great artists and mathematicians.
Rick is full of shit, I’m so fed up of his half baked takes.
Rick is insufferable anymore.
I stopped watching his video about 2 minutes in... absolute nonsense.
I’m thinking it’s just that musicians use up all their original ideas by their 30s, I’m sure as you’re in your 20s you get the freedom to make the music you thought about as a teenager, you’d then smash out as many of your ideas as fast as possible to try and get as many of you ideas out there.
There’s only so much water in the cup