Wood grain has a lot to do with sound ,one could have two 12 in toms with the same skins and the same brand but with the wood grain put together in a different pattern on one of them and either it will be deeper or higher because of the difference.
Thank you for this. I know it was 4 years ago, but the info doesn’t expire. I have a “small footprint” kit that I use for smaller stage gigs that’s 20/10/13 and these tips will help me get the sound I’m asked for. 😎
For the love of God! I've been weeks with the idea of changing my set but for issues of money and place, I was analyzing buying a smaller set. I did not do it because I was afraid that small measures do not give me that fat and deep sound that I like so much, and just when I'm about to give up, you appear with this incredible video. They deserve those 28 thousand subscribers and 28 thousand more for their incredible videos. I love you, boys. You are the best. Greetings from Argentina.
I feel like this whole video was preamble, clarification, referencing other videos and other topics, and then some playing of the toms. Where's the part where you offer tips on how to actually do it?
Thanks for the request! We've got an entire series of comparison videos in the works that will include bearing edges, shell material, hoops, heads, etc. Cheers! -Ben
@@SoundsLikeADrum Awesome! Also wondered if rerouting the bearing edge be a viable solution to get better tone from a cheaper kit whose heads sit uneven?
@@eddypalogrande yes it can. I just hand sanded mine back to life on my 15yr old PDP FS Series kit. Found some pretty knarly damage I didn't realize was there.
Really cool info, and good point about the hoops. Triple flanged hoops come in a bunch of different flavors too, and I think the thinner the material the better off you are in low tunings, since the flex in the hoop keeps some tension on the rods and sort of keeps them from detuning very much. I had an Export kit way back with 10/12/14 toms with 1,6mm triple flanged hoops, and using thick double-ply heads let me tune them to sound more like a 12/14/16 setup. While I've enjoyed the precision of thicker, more rigid hoops since, I can't seem to get as low as I could on those drums.
I just finished reworking my childhood drumset for my son, and took a fairly similar approach. Even though the toms are 8,10 and 13, I didn't necessarily want it to sound like a kid's set, so they're low and full (but not so low he'll put dents in the heads anytime soon, heh). Definitely sounds better than it ever did when I was a kid playing them!
I've usually always tuned my toms on the lower end and eventually started going to smaller and smaller kits. I love my Ludwig Questlove kit! 10 13 16 A very similar approach to tuning. As low as it can go but it still has fantastic punch when mic'd up! Only problem I have are lugs backing out as the night goes on... There's plenty of methods to fix this I know.. but I don't want to use locktight on my lugs.. Love this channel guys, y'all really know what you're talking about when it comes to the one and outs of drums.
I love this sound. I tune just like this on my Pearl Roadshow Jazz kit. Using Remo pinstripe 2 ply even on the bass drum, no muffling. I love a 10 inch snare drum too, but tuned very high. good advice here bros.
I've always had fusion size toms with a 22 bass and tuned them as low as I could. I found it to be the best way to get a really low and fat sound without any horrible overtones or vibrations. It always felt like I was doing something "wrong" even though people and other drummers would comment on how good my kit sounded. I think sometimes you just need to trust your ears. I've never used gadgets for tuning or even looked too much into methods or techniques. Just trust your ears.
Dam, I finally watched one of your (this) vid with headphones. Wow, during the intro, those drums were perfectly tuned. Thanks to watching your vids, I decided to tune my bass way up (reso, and batter) I got the coolest electronic/hip hop sound.
Also I appreciate your video on 2-ply Evans oil-filled skins there's a bunch of us here like 12 of us and we all started laughing when you grab the cardboard box you said this sounds like a cardboard box thank you for that we all appreciate it thanks.. cuz we all know that those Evans two-ply mylar do not sound like a box they sound killer I love that deep sound because of you I went bought them so thanks appreciate it
I'm getting huge tone out of a cheap 10x7 tom, using an Ambassador X batter--one ply of 12 mil. Resonant enough to open up, but with enough mass to tune to a lower fundamental. No muffling, getting a legitimate BOOM. The only thing that chokes it is dead-sticking. The "floor" tom is a 12x11 power tom with coated Emperor top and bottom.
If you haven't done so already, I'd love to see a video that explores the dimensions of the drum and how they affect tuning. In particular, I found the comment about "square drums" interesting?
I’ve got a Sonor Safari kit with a 10x8 up and a 14x12 down. I tune my 14” to an E, really low as described in this video and my 10” to an E an octave higher. I like to have the big pitch spread with only two drums.
it's so funny that the explanation about how to tune small drums so deep happened the first time (I remember) at the end of the 1970's and brought Steve Gadd to his set up with Yamaha..... and the rest of us during the 80's to use 10, 12, 14 toms for more than a decade............ ;-)
I've wondered about the sound of the late 70's, early 80's (before the "Attack Of The Reverb" og "They Came From The Lexicon" or whatever you would call that phenomenon). Whenever I hear people try to emulate that sound today, they never really manage to capture it properly, but at the time, it seemed like every drummer out there knew how to get a fat but not electronic sounding sound. An example would be "Make a little Magic" (Dirt Band) or for higher tunings "Night by Night", (Steely). Is there a secret that all these tutorials miss to get those kind of sounds?
@@SoundsLikeADrum it reminds me that before purchasing my latest kit which includes a 8 inches, most of the people told me about this specific size that it wasn't a real tom, that it loses tuning quickly, it doesn't project at all, it is more an effect drum... I didn't listen, bought it and I'm perfectly happy because it is a genuine tom.
After watching this video seems to me your definitely one to ask this of. I am running a 12" 13" and 16" floor tom Evans 360 heads. Problem I am having is deciding whether to take the "old" reso heads off altogether to tune them I can t afford to replace the reso heads right now but need to tune them. The shells are 9 layer force 2007 Birch Sonor the kick drum had a Aquarian regulator reso with muffle ring on the front which so far just seems to make it all the more difficult to tune the Evans 360 heads on the toms are relatively new but off if another kit unused and needed them more on the Sonor shells Sonor kit sat unplayed for a long time with the stock heads not changed other than the reso head. I will eventually swap it for a new regulator or EQ3 head for it is definitely got age on it. So far sounds ok the batter head is a Power Stroke 3 also was brand new on the other kit borrowed for this one. When I get tom mounts for the other kit I'll likely ask you the same on that kit unless you want to advise me now. Same size bass drum and toms 22" kick 12" tom 13"tom floor 16" tom it's a Ludwig Chinese made Ludwig to be exact in a Rocker series best I can tell a 90's kit not sure of year difficult to date with the China made Rocker Series any hp.deepmy appreciated bass drum is done on the Sonor but just to an extent so please opinions remove resos don't tune reso first last high low etc is play everything from jazz blues to Rick and 80's style heavy metal and alternative I am wide range artist thank you and awesome video
Great video, really shows how much versatility you can get out of any drum set. On a somewhat related note: I have definitely experienced that dreaded square drum basketball ping you speak of. Do you have any tips on working around the ping? Do you know why the ping occurs in the first place? If it's inherently a square drum thing, then why do they make square drums?
Great episod. I experimented with that topic in the past. I switcht back to higher tuning because i need the projection ( no close mics). Im very intersted in an episod about the fight with the square sie Standtom and maybe the old sonor that were deeper than diameter. Keep on Sound like a drum 👍👍
This is an interesting discussion, and very relevant due to manufacturers downsizing the drum sizes for the last 20 years. I have to say that I miss the days of big drums. In particular, I think the 10, 12, 13, 16, 18 tom and floor sizes made for bigger sounds with better intervals. I find that every kit I've had with a 14" floor tom, in particular, tends to fight me when I want to get a lower tuning (which has always been my preference). The 14 in my Pearl Master's Custom kit just never sounded good.
Came to this video from your deep detuned tom sound video. I have a 7 piece Gretsch Catalina Maple and I've been using Coated G2s over Reso 7s for the past 3 years, same head combo on my Yamaha Stage Custom Birch which I keep with me at school. My Gretsch kit is much more of a rock kit (even though the Yamaha is incredibly versatile, I use it primarily for jazz and lighter stuff but it sound great even for harder rock and metal) and I want to take advantage of being stuck at home to finally pick up some new heads and try something new for my drum sound. I'm thinking about Clear EC2s over Clear EC Resonant heads (as you can tell, I'm also a big fan of Evans heads) so I can have some more attack and less sustain coming from the drums, but also tuning them slightly lower than I normally would. The G2 Reso 7 combo works nice for a good all-around sound with good attack, tone and sustain but I don't want to have to tune them so low that I lose the natural sound of the drums and get that too-low growl which makes it sound like the drums are out of tune. I'm hoping to avoid that by switching to these heads as they control unwanted overtones and are recommended for rock. Do you think that I could get a nice medium to low pitch from the EC2 over EC Reso combo without having to detune the drums as much, especially from the smaller rack toms?
Nice material here, love what Ash Soan is doing. Seems like detuning furthest away from you would be good in terms of head life with that tuning, right?
Thanks! Assuming you’re playing in the center of the drum (and not doing rimshots) it really doesn’t matter which one you detune. If you’re doing rimshots, I’d recommend going with the 9 or 3-o’clock lugs. -Ben
+soundslikeadrum *This approach to a deep, fat sound might be what I need* to tame a donated YAMAHA® RY2T4 kit at OMS Japanese Christian Church (Walnut Creek, CA, USA) that overprojects for Shinoda Hall at standard tuning. The missing elements for the tone are the batters, as EVANS® Drumheads Div., J. D'Addario & Co., doesn't manufacture B10HW or B12HW Heavyweight coateds (the B14HW is full-scale), whereas the TT10G14, TT12G14, and TT14G14 clears I've selected for the resonants are all full-scale. (The MSD14AF center drum packs an EVANS®/D'Addario® B14EC1RD batter and S14R30 resonant but needs a GROVER® Stadium Dark™ cable snare.)
Definitely try it out and let us know how it works out for you! You don't necessarily need to have specialized drumheads for this. While the Evans Heavyweight is in fact available in a 12" option, it might be overkill for a 12" tom. G2 Coated batters do just fine for this. Cheers! -Ben
I got some PDP Birch drums eunos 4 ply Birch I put some Evans 2-ply mylar no joke I got the red colored film I love them I love the color red they all sound similar they all sound the same really but they sound better than my maple Gretsch anyways that I shared with you thanks good tuning make my little gem sound better thanks
Just ordered a ludwig classic Maple kit with a 12x9 rack tom,, want to add another rack tom but cannot decide on a 10x8, 10x9, 13x10 or 13x11? Even thinking about a 12x11 to go with the 12x9??
@@motodrummer I guess it really depends on which end of the sonic spectrum you want to expand into. As I mentioned here, I would love a 14" floor tom but I'm glad that I've got the 10 and 12" rack toms. I'd probably stay away from 13" diameter (I tend not to like 1" diameter differences in toms) tom and I definitely wouldn't recommend an additional 12", especially at a deeper dimension. I'd recommend playing the kit a bit and thinking about if you want an in between option or a higher options for an additional tom. Cheers! -Ben
@@SoundsLikeADrum Thanks man, most 13x9's are ok but dont blwo me away. leaning towards a 10" now but wondering how a 10x9 would sound compared to a 10x8 hell even a 10 x 7.5 which they offer. white glass is a Limited till they run out color so have a window to order it. I will decide soon. surprising no videos on same diameter drums with different depths for comparisons?
@@motodrummer We plan on creating lots of comparison videos in the future but want to do them right and that means following a scientific method with only one variable changing. As a result, we're going to need to have quite a few drums built for all of the different comparisons.
Thanks so much! We’re filming with Canon DSLR cameras with L series lenses and a GoPro for the overhead. Primary camera is the Canon 5D mkIV. Cheers! -Ben
@@SoundsLikeADrum The Windmill is every drummer's dream. A lot of interesting drums, snares and cymbals. He's got great taste for mic positions and tuning + indecent timing and feel. I'm a huge fan.
I tune my DW's toms low. 8", 10", 12", and 14". I also use the other drum head company's 2 ply stripe head. I find that I really get the drum to sing. On my Yamaha Hipgig kit 14" tom, I found the best tone to come from turning the bottom head lower than the top. Maybe because it is pretty shallow - 12" deep. You two have definitely helped me improve my sound after playing for only 30 years, thanks!
Great content as always. Minor bit of a feedback; if you're going with the black background, don't wear black! A little bit of floating-head going on :D
Hmmm...the shirt is grey. Might wanna check your contrast settings. This was reviewed on several screen prior to uploading for precisely this reason and there was plenty of definition. We'll backlight a bit more in the future just in case.
I thought the gretsch 5 lug 12” tom thing was a load of rubbish till I got one and the tuning range on that is utterly ridiculous. Will go as low as the lowest a 14 will go and will go crazy high for jazz. I’m convinced the 5 lug die cast thing is a contributing factor
That’s a Mapex Black Panther 12x7” power piccolo/soprano snare. We did a episode with this drum earlier this year: Ep. 50 Tuning a Power Piccolo Snare Drum ruclips.net/video/g4E8Tl7dEs8/видео.html Cheers! Ben
This is a very simple approach and concept overall. We’ve seen his videos and have addressed the “tuning by sight” approach in a video as well. What we’re talking about here is the idea of using smaller drums for lower tunings.
Also when y'all do the hoop comparison videos for the Toms. Can y'all do S-HOOPS? ONLY person I know that uses them faithfully on all his snares and toms is GAVIN HARRISON. They're hybrid hoops of die cast and triple flange.
Love the sound it can create although since the heads are tension lower got to hit a little harder to get the rebound I'm use to. Kind of like floor toms.
ill probably get slammed for saying this but i think people over tune the crap out of their toms, its simple press in the center with a little tension and turn the rods until the wrinkles disappear in front of the rod you are turning. tuning pattern doesn't matter. it get the lowest sound the tom can produce without going flat.
I’d like to think you wouldn’t get slammed here, as we’ve worked to establish a community of drummers that supports each other rather than taking each other down or trying to “one-up” each other. When you say, “over tune the crap out of their toms,” are you referring to the amount of tension applied or people somehow making it more difficult? Either way, an interesting observation. While the process of tuning in general can be simplified with practice and experience, we respect that not everyone has been taught these methods or has the experience. Hopefully you enjoyed the episode. -Ben
@@SoundsLikeADrum i absolutely enjoyed this video, its great, i just think of the beginner drummer (when i started) i spent countless hours watching vhs tapes of drummers showing how to tune and spent days tuning for the weekend shows only to hate the sound coming from my toms and i think in this day and age most people out there teaching tuning methods are doing the exact same thing. listen to all the people that still hate the sound of one of their toms. we have a market saturated with every type of tuning device a video and people generally are still getting the same result. i struggled with my sound for years as a performing drummer and it was not until i saw a guy so simply tune his drums with the method i stated that the light bulb went off and it blew my mind. the tuning process is way more simple than most people and main stream make it out to be. thanks.
Glad to hear it! It’s true- this stuff really isn’t rocket science but it does take some practice and the willingness to listen and develop your ear. What works on one drum might not work as well on the next. What sounded great with one drumhead might sound like hitting a wet paper bag with another. Clearing a drum is one thing, getting a great tone for a drum is another. We hope to continue to provide the resources and inspiration that people have come to expect from us with this series to help everyone feel more comfortable with tuning and experimenting. Cheers!
@@SoundsLikeADrum by the way your drums sound great. my point in all this is, if you had ten minutes to get on stage and jump on someone else's kit or a backline kit, there's no way you will be able to tune a set with traditional tuning methods. but the other way you can tune a kit in 5 to 10 mins. also were not talking about studio sound, though, i'd still tune the same way. great content. i just hope this helps newer drummers struggling with tuning. thanks
swampland fellow Louisianan here! I agree with your statement about a quick tune up. Rob "beat down" Brown has a great video detailing the exact method you speak of.
Hey there! Sounds like you probably just discovered our channel. We do weekly tutorials and overviews on specific drum sounds and tuning approaches. The majority of our videos are not focused around playing- there are plenty of other channels for that. We’re all about actionable, expert advice and inspiring drummers to experiment with their sounds. However, we will be releasing extended cuts of the demos from all of our videos in the future. Stay tuned (can’t resist the pun!) for an announcement later this week. Cheers! -Ben
Hey there! Sounds like you probably just discovered our channel. We do weekly tutorials and overviews on specific drum sounds and tuning approaches. The majority of our videos are not focused around playing- there are plenty of other channels for that. We’re all about actionable, expert advice and inspiring drummers to experiment with their sounds. However, we will be releasing extended cuts of the demos from all of our videos in the future. Stay tuned (can’t resist the pun!) for an announcement later this week. Cheers! -Ben
Stay tuned for some big news coming later this week! In the meantime, happy tuning!
The SLAD branded beachwear is finally here for the summer?!?
I hope it's Sounds Like a Mute!
Oh man, we really do need some beach gear, don't we?
Wood grain has a lot to do with sound ,one could have two 12 in toms with the same skins and the same brand but with the wood grain put together in a different pattern on one of them and either it will be deeper or higher because of the difference.
Thank you for this. I know it was 4 years ago, but the info doesn’t expire. I have a “small footprint” kit that I use for smaller stage gigs that’s 20/10/13 and these tips will help me get the sound I’m asked for. 😎
For the love of God! I've been weeks with the idea of changing my set but for issues of money and place, I was analyzing buying a smaller set. I did not do it because I was afraid that small measures do not give me that fat and deep sound that I like so much, and just when I'm about to give up, you appear with this incredible video.
They deserve those 28 thousand subscribers and 28 thousand more for their incredible videos.
I love you, boys. You are the best.
Greetings from Argentina.
Such excellent timing! Glad you're enjoying the series. Cheers! -Ben
I feel like this whole video was preamble, clarification, referencing other videos and other topics, and then some playing of the toms. Where's the part where you offer tips on how to actually do it?
I'd love to see an episode on bearing edges and shell ply composition
Thanks for the request! We've got an entire series of comparison videos in the works that will include bearing edges, shell material, hoops, heads, etc. Cheers! -Ben
That sounds delicious 👍
@@SoundsLikeADrum Awesome! Also wondered if rerouting the bearing edge be a viable solution to get better tone from a cheaper kit whose heads sit uneven?
@@eddypalogrande yes it can. I just hand sanded mine back to life on my 15yr old PDP FS Series kit. Found some pretty knarly damage I didn't realize was there.
Sounds Like A Drum ♥️ I'm excited!
Really useful info here, I have a micro kit so can really relate to this episode. Keep up the good work guys.
Oh excellent! That's great to hear. Thanks for the support! -Ben
Really cool info, and good point about the hoops. Triple flanged hoops come in a bunch of different flavors too, and I think the thinner the material the better off you are in low tunings, since the flex in the hoop keeps some tension on the rods and sort of keeps them from detuning very much. I had an Export kit way back with 10/12/14 toms with 1,6mm triple flanged hoops, and using thick double-ply heads let me tune them to sound more like a 12/14/16 setup. While I've enjoyed the precision of thicker, more rigid hoops since, I can't seem to get as low as I could on those drums.
Great info as usual dudes, keep it coming!
Another wonderfully insightful video. Thanks so much guys
Cheers, Nick!
I just finished reworking my childhood drumset for my son, and took a fairly similar approach. Even though the toms are 8,10 and 13, I didn't necessarily want it to sound like a kid's set, so they're low and full (but not so low he'll put dents in the heads anytime soon, heh). Definitely sounds better than it ever did when I was a kid playing them!
Saw this on a suggestion pop up good stuff! I do this with small drums.
I've usually always tuned my toms on the lower end and eventually started going to smaller and smaller kits. I love my Ludwig Questlove kit! 10 13 16 A very similar approach to tuning. As low as it can go but it still has fantastic punch when mic'd up! Only problem I have are lugs backing out as the night goes on... There's plenty of methods to fix this I know.. but I don't want to use locktight on my lugs..
Love this channel guys, y'all really know what you're talking about when it comes to the one and outs of drums.
I love this sound. I tune just like this on my Pearl Roadshow Jazz kit. Using Remo pinstripe 2 ply even on the bass drum, no muffling. I love a 10 inch snare drum too, but tuned very high. good advice here bros.
I've always had fusion size toms with a 22 bass and tuned them as low as I could. I found it to be the best way to get a really low and fat sound without any horrible overtones or vibrations. It always felt like I was doing something "wrong" even though people and other drummers would comment on how good my kit sounded.
I think sometimes you just need to trust your ears. I've never used gadgets for tuning or even looked too much into methods or techniques. Just trust your ears.
Dam, I finally watched one of your (this) vid with headphones. Wow, during the intro, those drums were perfectly tuned. Thanks to watching your vids, I decided to tune my bass way up (reso, and batter) I got the coolest electronic/hip hop sound.
What a beautiful kit. Thanks so much for the vid. Love your content.
Okay, but that groove at 3 minutes 48 is absolute fire 🔥
Thanks so much! Fun to jam a bit and be inspired by the sound of the drums. Cheers! -Ben
Is this guy still a part of the channel? I've never seen him, he's really good as well! Thanks for all the content guys!
Hey there! Yep- I produce all of the episodes (pre-production, filming/recording, mixing & editing) and manage our online presence. Cheers! -Ben
Also I appreciate your video on 2-ply Evans oil-filled skins there's a bunch of us here like 12 of us and we all started laughing when you grab the cardboard box you said this sounds like a cardboard box thank you for that we all appreciate it thanks.. cuz we all know that those Evans two-ply mylar do not sound like a box they sound killer I love that deep sound because of you I went bought them so thanks appreciate it
I'm getting huge tone out of a cheap 10x7 tom, using an Ambassador X batter--one ply of 12 mil. Resonant enough to open up, but with enough mass to tune to a lower fundamental. No muffling, getting a legitimate BOOM. The only thing that chokes it is dead-sticking. The "floor" tom is a 12x11 power tom with coated Emperor top and bottom.
If you haven't done so already, I'd love to see a video that explores the dimensions of the drum and how they affect tuning. In particular, I found the comment about "square drums" interesting?
That's definitely something we want to dive into with a bit more of a scientific approach. It's on our radar! Thanks so much. -Ben
Masters Customs have such great tuning range.
We've gotta get some triple flange hoops for them and expand the range even more!
This concept is crazy! I liked it! 👍
man, that snare SPEAKS.
What is this snare?!
As always,an excellent video.
I’ve got a Sonor Safari kit with a 10x8 up and a 14x12 down. I tune my 14” to an E, really low as described in this video and my 10” to an E an octave higher. I like to have the big pitch spread with only two drums.
it's so funny that the explanation about how to tune small drums so deep happened the first time (I remember) at the end of the 1970's and brought Steve Gadd to his set up with Yamaha..... and the rest of us during the 80's to use 10, 12, 14 toms for more than a decade............ ;-)
I've wondered about the sound of the late 70's, early 80's (before the "Attack Of The Reverb" og "They Came From The Lexicon" or whatever you would call that phenomenon). Whenever I hear people try to emulate that sound today, they never really manage to capture it properly, but at the time, it seemed like every drummer out there knew how to get a fat but not electronic sounding sound. An example would be "Make a little Magic" (Dirt Band) or for higher tunings "Night by Night", (Steely). Is there a secret that all these tutorials miss to get those kind of sounds?
What about the opposite? I've been trying to get my 16" floor tom to sound more like a 14" but can't get it right.
I have been waiting for this topic! I am a bit disappointed you didn´t experiment on an 8 inches tom though.
We don't have access to any functional 8" toms but the same principles apply. This isn't just for 10" and 12" toms. Cheers! -Ben
@@SoundsLikeADrum it reminds me that before purchasing my latest kit which includes a 8 inches, most of the people told me about this specific size that it wasn't a real tom, that it loses tuning quickly, it doesn't project at all, it is more an effect drum... I didn't listen, bought it and I'm perfectly happy because it is a genuine tom.
Eurodrummer666 dude my 8” tom rings twice as long at my 10” lol, either that 8 tunes well or my 10 is finicky
@@acidrain812 I am luckier than you then, as my 8 rings just as much as my 10.
Eurodrummer666 definitely lucky lol
After watching this video seems to me your definitely one to ask this of. I am running a 12" 13" and 16" floor tom Evans 360 heads. Problem I am having is deciding whether to take the "old" reso heads off altogether to tune them I can t afford to replace the reso heads right now but need to tune them. The shells are 9 layer force 2007 Birch Sonor the kick drum had a Aquarian regulator reso with muffle ring on the front which so far just seems to make it all the more difficult to tune the Evans 360 heads on the toms are relatively new but off if another kit unused and needed them more on the Sonor shells Sonor kit sat unplayed for a long time with the stock heads not changed other than the reso head. I will eventually swap it for a new regulator or EQ3 head for it is definitely got age on it. So far sounds ok the batter head is a Power Stroke 3 also was brand new on the other kit borrowed for this one. When I get tom mounts for the other kit I'll likely ask you the same on that kit unless you want to advise me now. Same size bass drum and toms 22" kick 12" tom 13"tom floor 16" tom it's a Ludwig Chinese made Ludwig to be exact in a Rocker series best I can tell a 90's kit not sure of year difficult to date with the China made Rocker Series any hp.deepmy appreciated bass drum is done on the Sonor but just to an extent so please opinions remove resos don't tune reso first last high low etc is play everything from jazz blues to Rick and 80's style heavy metal and alternative I am wide range artist thank you and awesome video
Great video, really shows how much versatility you can get out of any drum set.
On a somewhat related note: I have definitely experienced that dreaded square drum basketball ping you speak of. Do you have any tips on working around the ping? Do you know why the ping occurs in the first place? If it's inherently a square drum thing, then why do they make square drums?
I’ve found this video again. I have small toms and want get them dialed in low.
Good stuff!
Thank you. I have an 8" tom still in its wrapper. I think I'll use it as a plant pot.
I relate to that
Great episod. I experimented with that topic in the past. I switcht back to higher tuning because i need the projection ( no close mics). Im very intersted in an episod about the fight with the square sie Standtom and maybe the old sonor that were deeper than diameter.
Keep on Sound like a drum 👍👍
This is an interesting discussion, and very relevant due to manufacturers downsizing the drum sizes for the last 20 years. I have to say that I miss the days of big drums. In particular, I think the 10, 12, 13, 16, 18 tom and floor sizes made for bigger sounds with better intervals. I find that every kit I've had with a 14" floor tom, in particular, tends to fight me when I want to get a lower tuning (which has always been my preference). The 14 in my Pearl Master's Custom kit just never sounded good.
I use mesh heads. Would like to see something on that.
Came to this video from your deep detuned tom sound video. I have a 7 piece Gretsch Catalina Maple and I've been using Coated G2s over Reso 7s for the past 3 years, same head combo on my Yamaha Stage Custom Birch which I keep with me at school. My Gretsch kit is much more of a rock kit (even though the Yamaha is incredibly versatile, I use it primarily for jazz and lighter stuff but it sound great even for harder rock and metal) and I want to take advantage of being stuck at home to finally pick up some new heads and try something new for my drum sound. I'm thinking about Clear EC2s over Clear EC Resonant heads (as you can tell, I'm also a big fan of Evans heads) so I can have some more attack and less sustain coming from the drums, but also tuning them slightly lower than I normally would. The G2 Reso 7 combo works nice for a good all-around sound with good attack, tone and sustain but I don't want to have to tune them so low that I lose the natural sound of the drums and get that too-low growl which makes it sound like the drums are out of tune. I'm hoping to avoid that by switching to these heads as they control unwanted overtones and are recommended for rock. Do you think that I could get a nice medium to low pitch from the EC2 over EC Reso combo without having to detune the drums as much, especially from the smaller rack toms?
im hoping to get a john weathers kind of tom tune with that technique
Nice material here, love what Ash Soan is doing.
Seems like detuning furthest away from you would be good in terms of head life with that tuning, right?
Thanks! Assuming you’re playing in the center of the drum (and not doing rimshots) it really doesn’t matter which one you detune. If you’re doing rimshots, I’d recommend going with the 9 or 3-o’clock lugs. -Ben
Excatly what I'm lookinf for... thank you!!
So glad to hear it, Jim! Cheers! -Ben
+soundslikeadrum *This approach to a deep, fat sound might be what I need* to tame a donated YAMAHA® RY2T4 kit at OMS Japanese Christian Church (Walnut Creek, CA, USA) that overprojects for Shinoda Hall at standard tuning. The missing elements for the tone are the batters, as EVANS® Drumheads Div., J. D'Addario & Co., doesn't manufacture B10HW or B12HW Heavyweight coateds (the B14HW is full-scale), whereas the TT10G14, TT12G14, and TT14G14 clears I've selected for the resonants are all full-scale. (The MSD14AF center drum packs an EVANS®/D'Addario® B14EC1RD batter and S14R30 resonant but needs a GROVER® Stadium Dark™ cable snare.)
Definitely try it out and let us know how it works out for you! You don't necessarily need to have specialized drumheads for this. While the Evans Heavyweight is in fact available in a 12" option, it might be overkill for a 12" tom. G2 Coated batters do just fine for this. Cheers! -Ben
trying to get a tighter mounted & floor tom sound - they sound too boomy for my taste
I like 12 and 13 toms but shallower. 14 and 16 floor toms.
I just picked up a gretsch catalina 6 piece. what skins would you recommend for getting a deep fat tone
I got some PDP Birch drums eunos 4 ply Birch I put some Evans 2-ply mylar no joke I got the red colored film I love them I love the color red they all sound similar they all sound the same really but they sound better than my maple Gretsch anyways that I shared with you thanks good tuning make my little gem sound better thanks
love tuning my toms to these depths lol.
In that case you're not gonna want to miss tomorrow's episode...
HEYYYY NOTHING WRONG WITH THAT BASKETBALL SOUND THO THAT'S MY SOUND
Just ordered a ludwig classic Maple kit with a 12x9 rack tom,, want to add another rack tom but cannot decide on a 10x8, 10x9, 13x10 or 13x11? Even thinking about a 12x11 to go with the 12x9??
What’s the floor tom size?
@@SoundsLikeADrum 16x16 with a 22x16 bass drum
@@motodrummer I guess it really depends on which end of the sonic spectrum you want to expand into. As I mentioned here, I would love a 14" floor tom but I'm glad that I've got the 10 and 12" rack toms. I'd probably stay away from 13" diameter (I tend not to like 1" diameter differences in toms) tom and I definitely wouldn't recommend an additional 12", especially at a deeper dimension. I'd recommend playing the kit a bit and thinking about if you want an in between option or a higher options for an additional tom. Cheers! -Ben
@@SoundsLikeADrum Thanks man, most 13x9's are ok but dont blwo me away. leaning towards a 10" now but wondering how a 10x9 would sound compared to a 10x8 hell even a 10 x 7.5 which they offer. white glass is a Limited till they run out color so have a window to order it. I will decide soon. surprising no videos on same diameter drums with different depths for comparisons?
@@motodrummer We plan on creating lots of comparison videos in the future but want to do them right and that means following a scientific method with only one variable changing. As a result, we're going to need to have quite a few drums built for all of the different comparisons.
I love this content and video quality! What camera are you all using?
Thanks so much! We’re filming with Canon DSLR cameras with L series lenses and a GoPro for the overhead. Primary camera is the Canon 5D mkIV. Cheers! -Ben
Ash's sound is a monster
So true! Plus he’s got a great sounding studio and does an excellent job of engineering/producing his recordings too.
@@SoundsLikeADrum The Windmill is every drummer's dream. A lot of interesting drums, snares and cymbals. He's got great taste for mic positions and tuning + indecent timing and feel. I'm a huge fan.
I tune my DW's toms low. 8", 10", 12", and 14". I also use the other drum head company's 2 ply stripe head. I find that I really get the drum to sing. On my Yamaha Hipgig kit 14" tom, I found the best tone to come from turning the bottom head lower than the top. Maybe because it is pretty shallow - 12" deep. You two have definitely helped me improve my sound after playing for only 30 years, thanks!
I got a five drum setup with 12, 14, and 16 inch toms and they are tuned similarly to this, and they are FAT.
Did you tune your snare by ear? that’s the sound I aim for when playing roots reggae
Absolutely! We don’t use any tuning devices other than a key and our ears. -Ben
Sounds Like A Drum I imagine you tuned this mapex soprano up until just before choking on each side?
It’ll actually go a bit higher- the snare side for sure. I just had a particular sound/feel in mind and once I got there, I was satisfied.
Sounds Like A Drum thank you!!
Great video and beautiful sound out of those drums. I am going to have to ask you to throw that snare drum away though.
Easy when u use one of historys best shells ever made!
We can confidently say that the shell design was not the deciding factor here.
Should I get a 14 or 18 floor Tom? I have a 12 rack.. Play rock music
I’d probably split the difference and go with a 16. -Ben
@@SoundsLikeADrum Oops I forgot to mention I have 16 FT
My tom set consists of a 12" (rack) and a 14" (rack acting like a floor). I should try doing this.
Is that a 12" or 13" snare
That’s a 12” Mapex Black Panther
Great content as always. Minor bit of a feedback; if you're going with the black background, don't wear black! A little bit of floating-head going on :D
Paul D great comment mate.
Hmmm...the shirt is grey. Might wanna check your contrast settings. This was reviewed on several screen prior to uploading for precisely this reason and there was plenty of definition. We'll backlight a bit more in the future just in case.
@@SoundsLikeADrum the color was really similar on my phone can only adjust brightness, otherwise sweet video as usual
I thought the gretsch 5 lug 12” tom thing was a load of rubbish till I got one and the tuning range on that is utterly ridiculous. Will go as low as the lowest a 14 will go and will go crazy high for jazz. I’m convinced the 5 lug die cast thing is a contributing factor
Yep! Tension applied across fewer points yields more tension at each point, meaning that you can tuning lower with less lugs. Gotta love it!
What snare is that? And the size please!
That’s a Mapex Black Panther 12x7” power piccolo/soprano snare. We did a episode with this drum earlier this year: Ep. 50 Tuning a Power Piccolo Snare Drum ruclips.net/video/g4E8Tl7dEs8/видео.html
Cheers!
Ben
Pleeeease tell me what kind of snare that is!
It's an older version of the Mapex Black Panther Cherry Bomb 12x7 from 2007. Cheers! -Ben
Sounds Like A Drum it’s magic. Thanks!
@@robinhoodwasasocialist.1401 You'll enjoy this if you haven't seen it yet: ruclips.net/video/g4E8Tl7dEs8/видео.html
Sounds Like A Drum 🥁
look up Rob Brown's tuning video, it is much simpler to the way you have complicated the "drum tuning process."
This is a very simple approach and concept overall. We’ve seen his videos and have addressed the “tuning by sight” approach in a video as well. What we’re talking about here is the idea of using smaller drums for lower tunings.
I would like for someone to explain to me the sudden move to smaller drums. Is it some fashion statement? Logistics? Money? What?
Same reason engineers like recording guitars on small cabinets
5% drum, 95% speech
Context is key ✨
Do that with a mahogany wood shell kit.
Also when y'all do the hoop comparison videos for the Toms. Can y'all do S-HOOPS?
ONLY person I know that uses them faithfully on all his snares and toms is GAVIN HARRISON.
They're hybrid hoops of die cast and triple flange.
We'll see about making that happen!
@@SoundsLikeADrum YEE YEET !! 🤠
Love the sound it can create although since the heads are tension lower got to hit a little harder to get the rebound I'm use to. Kind of like floor toms.
Put a Powerstroke 4 on any tom and it will immediately sound two inches bigger.
I can understand it for pop and jazz, supper club gigs. Not for heavier music.
Are you sure the floor Tom is a 16? It looks like a 14
Your still not going to get the “newer “ toms to sound like the older ones that’s why I like the power toms .
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ill probably get slammed for saying this but i think people over tune the crap out of their toms, its simple press in the center with a little tension and turn the rods until the wrinkles disappear in front of the rod you are turning. tuning pattern doesn't matter. it get the lowest sound the tom can produce without going flat.
I’d like to think you wouldn’t get slammed here, as we’ve worked to establish a community of drummers that supports each other rather than taking each other down or trying to “one-up” each other.
When you say, “over tune the crap out of their toms,” are you referring to the amount of tension applied or people somehow making it more difficult? Either way, an interesting observation. While the process of tuning in general can be simplified with practice and experience, we respect that not everyone has been taught these methods or has the experience.
Hopefully you enjoyed the episode.
-Ben
@@SoundsLikeADrum i absolutely enjoyed this video, its great, i just think of the beginner drummer (when i started) i spent countless hours watching vhs tapes of drummers showing how to tune and spent days tuning for the weekend shows only to hate the sound coming from my toms and i think in this day and age most people out there teaching tuning methods are doing the exact same thing. listen to all the people that still hate the sound of one of their toms. we have a market saturated with every type of tuning device a video and people generally are still getting the same result. i struggled with my sound for years as a performing drummer and it was not until i saw a guy so simply tune his drums with the method i stated that the light bulb went off and it blew my mind. the tuning process is way more simple than most people and main stream make it out to be. thanks.
Glad to hear it! It’s true- this stuff really isn’t rocket science but it does take some practice and the willingness to listen and develop your ear. What works on one drum might not work as well on the next. What sounded great with one drumhead might sound like hitting a wet paper bag with another. Clearing a drum is one thing, getting a great tone for a drum is another. We hope to continue to provide the resources and inspiration that people have come to expect from us with this series to help everyone feel more comfortable with tuning and experimenting. Cheers!
@@SoundsLikeADrum by the way your drums sound great. my point in all this is, if you had ten minutes to get on stage and jump on someone else's kit or a backline kit, there's no way you will be able to tune a set with traditional tuning methods. but the other way you can tune a kit in 5 to 10 mins. also were not talking about studio sound, though, i'd still tune the same way. great content. i just hope this helps newer drummers struggling with tuning. thanks
swampland fellow Louisianan here! I agree with your statement about a quick tune up. Rob "beat down" Brown has a great video detailing the exact method you speak of.
Wait, you're telling me that they were tuned low the whole video? I thought your floor tom sounded like a 12 tuned in the sweet range.
Yep! These were at the very bottom of the range for these drums.
AIC opening- love it.
Black is way better👏👏👏👏🇨🇦🇨🇦🥁🥁🥁
1000 likes, yesssss, do I win something, is there some kind of prize? ;) Great video.
17 min video to basically say try tuning small sized rack toms as low as they will go.
Yep! Thanks for watching.
that snare :v
Well you just explained my last comment
Im still confused about the reason the industry is going towards small drums.
Nice to do one on concert / bottomless toms.
The first 7 min is just talking 😡
Don't mean to offend, but you talk too much man
Hey there. Have you watched our other videos? There’s no more talking in this episode than in others...
This is an educational channel so no, they don’t
Jesus... doesnt sound like a drum at all... just a guy talking, talking, TALKINGTALKINGTALKING...
Hey there! Sounds like you probably just discovered our channel. We do weekly tutorials and overviews on specific drum sounds and tuning approaches. The majority of our videos are not focused around playing- there are plenty of other channels for that. We’re all about actionable, expert advice and inspiring drummers to experiment with their sounds. However, we will be releasing extended cuts of the demos from all of our videos in the future. Stay tuned (can’t resist the pun!) for an announcement later this week. Cheers! -Ben
Jove 1155: Perhaps you’d benefit from more listening.
You talk too much.
Hey there! Sounds like you probably just discovered our channel. We do weekly tutorials and overviews on specific drum sounds and tuning approaches. The majority of our videos are not focused around playing- there are plenty of other channels for that. We’re all about actionable, expert advice and inspiring drummers to experiment with their sounds. However, we will be releasing extended cuts of the demos from all of our videos in the future. Stay tuned (can’t resist the pun!) for an announcement later this week. Cheers! -Ben
Who the heck is this guy ??
Who the heck are you? 😂 I’m Ben, I produce this series.