Overview + HOW TO USE the Pathfinder Remaster books, Player Core and GM Core! (Rules Lawyer)
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- Опубликовано: 24 июл 2024
- 0:00 Intro
1:04 Why the Remaster?
2:53 What's changing?
5:41 Player Core
12:43 GM Core
16:57 Tips for learning
19:58 Remaster + the old books?
24:56 Outro
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-I'm surprised by a few comments angry at Paizo for making a new edition, and I thought we were past this argument. Paizo's entire business model was challenged by WOTC trying to revoke the OGL. Continuing to publish its core rulebooks unchanged, using elements and language that WOTC might argue was its IP, brought unnecessary risk to Paizo's entire publication line. And so equating it to WOTC for protecting itself from WOTC is bizarre, to say the least.
-Here is the LINK to the Paizo post that I mention, "Pathfinder Society and the Remaster": paizo.com/community/blog/v5748dyo6sifn?Pathfinder-Society-and-the-Remaster
I think I'm just against you calling it a new edition. It's more like a big errata. It's nothing compared to changes like 3.0 to 3.5 of D&D, which would be the closest comparison.
@@aebonstudio7193 I suppose rules lawyer can’t win. If he says its not a new edition he’s called a hypocrite for calling OneD&D a new edition. If he says it is people say there isn’t enough changes.
From what I can tell just trying to keep a consistent stance. He think there’s enough changes to justify considering it a 2.1.
I for one am glad that Paizo is cutting that WotC ambilical cord.
"Challenged" is an understatement. Hasbro effectively attempted to use a legal maneuver to ambush Paizo and either force *massive* rents from them for existing or just force the company, and Pathfinder, to stop existing entirely. And the original plan, before it was leaked, was to give publishers roughly a *week*, if that, to comply (e.g., that was going to be impossible and Hasbro could bring proceedings against the "competitors" they wished to snuff out).
Even with Hasbro having backed off (for the moment), they could still try to press through with this or a similar tactic at any moment. It is absolutely crucial, therefore, for Pathfinder to finally cut the final cord and separate itself entirely from the D&D IP. It is the only way to ensure that the game can continue to exist in safety.
And yes, this portends a return to the darkness of the 90s in the D&D space. Let us hope it simply does not go *that* far.
@SpaceDrake Agreed, on all points.
I think people are giving too much importance to the "edition" of these games, and by that I'm referring to the "2e" and "5e" designations.
If they're saying its the same game, then who cares WHAT it's called? If it's compatible with the original rules, and otherwise just updates some things, then all the hubbub around is it or is it not is just sensationalist over-reaxtion, at least in my opinion. They could've called it pathfinder 4e for all I care and my only complaint would be why they skipped 3e
I actually like the playing the game rules being next to the Appendices and indexes. When I'm introducing new people to the game they want to see what their options are, so they ignore everything else and just look at creation options. And when I need to flip through the book for rules reminders I think it will be nice to have the rules closer to the index saving me time when I need to look something up. I'll see how this goes in practice when I get my copy but I thought I would just put that out there for consideration.
I agree. As a forever GM I feel this will be helpful.
I see the appeal, but I'm mainly thinking of the new player, being systematic in teaching, and not frustrating people with certain learning styles who get lost and frustrated under the current presentation. ("I have to flip around!" is a common complaint, which granted they'd still have to flip around here, but some people get very frustrated and feel lost when they don't have a sense of the system first) I think people who want to jump to character options are probably already inclined to skip around to what they want to.
EDIT: I see the argument for having it near the glossary/index which is a fair point
“If this had statistics it would be a martial weapon.” This brings new meaning to the phrase “throw the book at him.”
"Throw the book at him, Carrot.” “Right, sir.”
Vimes remembered too late. Dwarfs have trouble with metaphors. They also have a very good aim. The Laws and Ordinances of Ankh and Morpork caught the secretary on the forehead. He blinked, staggered, and stepped backward.
It was the longest step he ever took. For one thing, it lasted the rest of his life. After several seconds they heard him hit, five storys below.
Thank you for covering the GM Core! I feel it has been left out by other reviewers sadly.
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Remaster: “Vitality Comment”
Something something wounded and dying condition clarification frustration!!
Having recently picked up the beginners box, it's well put together, but I can see why they wouldn't mention it here. It's got a number of passages that don't make a ton of sense in the remaster and there are certain areas I think it's lacking in (the two most notable being it never once mentions free actions and has multiple instances where the players can get Sickened but never mentions the Sickened condition by name)
It definitely needs improvement, but I would still point people to the current BB until a revision to it happens. Dunno why they didn't mention it when it was just going through a revision... maybe it's getting a new Sexy Name(TM)?
I think Rusthenge is supposed to be the new recommended first adventure.
@brianlane723 my understanding is that Rusthenge does not use the Remaster language.
As far as I know Rage of Elements is already ORC-compatible. Anyways, I'm looking forward to erratas of books like Secrets of Magic and so on 💖
Splatbooks seem to be largely compatible and a big reason they didn't rebrand as an entire new edition
@@chavesa5 They are. Some classes just need small rearrangements like arcane cascade from the magus or possibly adjustments to the psychic's refocus abillity. Other non-core&apg classes are totally fine.
Playing the game is in the back because the two easiest places to refer to in a book are the front and the back. I agree with their organization, because first time readers need a primer, and jumping in to build a character to give context to the how to play rules is probably a good new player experience.
Another example of this is in older 40k codexes, where the army list building materials are in the very back (discounting the last two pages of reference tables) because it makes it easy to reference without blasting a player reading it for the first time with a bunch of table entries of points and options.
Thank you for doing this intro to Pathfinder 2e revised video. I never played PF but have played D&D since 1981. I switched to Fantasy AGE (and now FAGE 2e) just before Covid. I'm curious about PF now that they have moved it one more step away from D&D. Hoping they do a revised Intro Box.
Omg a revised NPC Codex for PF2e would be amazing!
Hi rules lawyer, thanks for making such in depth and comprehensive content regarding pf2e! Its the best system ive tried by far and I am very grateful for any content made on it, especially content of such high quality!
Great overview! Thank you for putting the video together!
I really appreciate your videos, I'm really, really, *really* looking forward to the Wizard video :D
Received my PDFs as this video was playing. Cannot wait to read them. Thank you for the great content.
Superb overview as always! Your insights are super helpful to everyone.
Nice overview, thanks Rules Lawyer!
Love your videos! I can't wait for the remaster. My groups are still finishing up our 5e campaigns (and by finishing up, I mean we still have months of content left to chew through) and we'll be transitioning over to PF2.1e as soon as we're done. I'll be glad to be rid of the various broken artificer builds I'm struggling to handle :p
Paizo sent me here, I don't know if YT would've shown me your channel otherwise. Great video! I'm now gonna watch the rest of your vids. This seems like exactly the kind of PF content I always wanted.
Ah! How do you hear of it?
@@TheRulesLawyerRPG Paizo shared the link on Bluesky. They also want to link to other reviews of the new core books, but yours was first.
Glad to see the new rules will have a lot of detail on how to run the different modes of the game. In addition, i think my favorite change is the clarification and improvement of recall knowledge.
Pf2e is so much more fun than 5e. I know I've played both.
it IS but sadly the new shit devs are power creeping the game now, shitting and ignoring on the lore except when OLD devs are involved... and blatantly not giving a shit about Race lore canon when making rules... there are shit you can do in the game that makes absolutely NO SENSE lore wise like Kitsune anything...for example. Kitsune are ALWAYS either a full Kitsune or a FULL (whatever race typically HUMAN they bred with.) in fact most lore dictates that Humans are the ONLY race they CAN breed with...the Female of this act determines the Race typically...Kitsune cannot have MOST "Heritages" lore wise lowering it down to probably Aasimar and thats about it...if its "blood" related and MOST are they cant have them if you want to be emersive...very much the same with the Nagaji as most are made in magic labs and can only breed with EACHOTHER... but nah man F the world that has been 15-20 years in the making just let people do what they want...sorry for the rant but im a BIG emersion and RP guy and ive been a fan since PF FIRST LAUNCHED and it feels like a knife wound in the chest...LORE EXISTS FOR A REASON FFS...if you dont want to play on Golarion fine whatever I dont actually care but the STANDARD RULES SHOULD BE LORE ACCURATE NOT THE REVERSE.
This video cleared up some of my misconceptions.
Between you, Nonats and Roll for Combat I just remembered to pre order my core books, lol.
Very nice and helpful overview! Thanks a lot 🙏 I think the new Player & GM Core books are a CLEARLY superior and more logical organization of the rules, not least for new players and GMs jumpring straight into PF 2e. I havent actually played 2E yet (but GM'ed PF 1e for half a decade if not more, and have been GMing 5e for the last cirka 5 years). I am gonna use these new "2.1" Core books as the point for making 2E my next campaign. Can't wait!
As always, thank you for making this video, you have provided me the best path to getting into pf2e. As for the beginner box and archives of Nethys not appearing, that is likely to avoid needing to reprint if anything changes to either. If they rename the beginner box or the archives changes to a different address or anything of that nature suddenly what will be a static printed work will be out of date.
Thanks for the video!❤
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I am excited for the remaster, even as a new Pathfinder player as a GM myself. 😅 I only really need to reinvest in the Core and GM book so far, and I can just use what I already have until I can do that. Archives of Nethys and FoundryVTT's module alone are huge boons to running it easily and accessibly for my players.
Organization - A lot of games I've read are organized something along the lines of an intro (which contains a brief overview of what sort of stories the game is good at telling, the basic gist of 'what is a roleplaying game' within the context of this specific game, any setting details players should know up front, and the general gist of the system (e.g. 'the core mechanic' and any terms that you're going to need to know to understand character creation, but with none of the system's crunch or specifics). After that there's character creation and any related concepts, and then it will give the added detail on how the game is played from the player's side, which is where the combat rules are going to be located, before transitioning into the GM section which obviously wouldn't be the case with PF2eR's structure. I generally like that broad organization schema.
From the sound of it, that would basically just amount to shifting the Rules Overview from the Playing the Game chapter into the Intro (Assuming there's enough there to give a sense of how skill rolls work and why you might want to make certain character creation choices without any of the specifics)
From what I understand, the Beginner Box will be updated to the new Remaster rules and have new versions of the NPC's. This is something that might not be released until after next year's GenCon (cause, Starfinder 2e)
A dedicated NPC book would be awesome. Hopefully one with quick templates for ancestries. The NPC section of the Gamemastery Guide has been my most used book while GMing.
Thank you!
I can't wait for the new special editions! I hope they chnage from the burgundy so its easy to tell apart from 1.0
I believe Green is the color associated with the Remastered books.
This video is gold. It's exactly what I needed to dive into the remaster without getting all confused. Thank you!
Just one question: Since the game mechanics are nearly identical, can I assume that the NPCs in the original GM Guide NPC gallery can be used seamlessly with the remastered rules? I think this should do until we have access to a new NPC gallery or NPC Codex book.
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Nothing will top the masterclass in easy to read graphic design and layout of 4e, but this is definitely a step in the right direction
The best news is that classic Pathfinder 2e rules will be available on AoN! Hopefully we get the same for Pathbuilder 2e (at this stage the option is just to not upgrade the app which is fine)
Good video
For the death and dying rules being more lethal I personally think its a good step, as I've legitimately spent the last 3 months in a game charging in blindly 100% trying to die, I even told my GM that if I'm nearing death just kill me. He was running the dying rules as you described that you do, and I can actively say as someone who has literally tried to get my character killed, that interpretation is so lenient that it took the me just telling the GM I'm dead and don't want to make the saves to actually die. So with the change making death more deadly I think it adds more urgency and makes it a larger priority to get your party members up to retreat instead of the party going oh... we've got a round or two lets just try to focus them down right quick
I came here because your video's thumbnail promised a gun show.
Don't tease us, Ronald!
17:15 good chance they gonna make an updated box. i forgot where the said it exactly but i think logan bonner confirmed there is plans for a new starfinder and pathfinder beginner box. tempt out of stock but i wont be surprised right now they are making the new boxes and prepping when to announce and release it.
it would make sense to make a new beginner box with the terminology changes, better flow for new gms and players, inspiration to build stuff without the books and such. what i really hope they do is besides the basic 4 classes they make dedicated lvl 1 beginner stats of the other classes for witches, alchemists, gunslingers and such for new ppl that wanna try them. yes i know premade lvl 1s exist for iconics but stat wise aint beginner friendly imho since they are technically design for quick picks in society quests.
there is currently a humblebundle of the roll20 version of the begginner box it's under software bundles.
Hope they've expanded on hexploration options.
Yeah, please, for an NPC Codex! 🙏
It's not strange that the how to play section is at the end. Ironically, it mimics the design of DND's player manual, considering the book is supposed to be a step away from the OGL.
Just call it pathfinder 2.5, it will make sense to customers, no one would be confused, and d&d can think of it what they want 😂
They can't do that, then old books might not sale. Even worse is the latest APs still using the OGL license...
Also, it really is not worth it. The changes are so small, it's not half a new edition worth of rules updates.
@@cheesy_87The changes are greater than 3.5 DnD.
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Anyone know when the demiplane version will release? For us rhay own original core books on there they will give remasters to them without extra charge.
The suggestion of "go learn with the starter set" feels kind of frustrating, the buy in to buy both the player and gm core is already £70, thats already a high buy in to be able to run games, rather than wasting an additional £40 on a demo version of the game that tells me to go buy the £70 books once we finish it. (Plus arguably also the monster core as well thats questionably optional for a new GM) I know this is a genre wide issue, dnd does this, the upcoming ffxiv ttrpg system also will be doing this, but god I hate it. (EDIT: A lot of the replies have made a decent point of "go buy this thing first before fully buying in to see if you like the system" but the act of buying it as a failsafe to get out with less spent if it goes well still feels bad and mentally is a hard wall to get past knowing that if I enjoy I WILL want the other core books, I do appreciate the responses even if they feel somewhat missing the forest for teh trees.)
Then just get the PDF of the Beginner Box? Besides that, nobody is forcing you to get it lol. All rules are free online, so you could even ONLY get the Beginner Box and then just get the rules online.
There will be 4 core books for a total of 280. Spending the price of pizza for your group on the beginner box is far cheaper way to try the system. It comes with gm and pc guide softcover with essential rules and its own bestiary. You can easily spend many months of homebrew in it. Also the rules are free you buy books to support paizo so it is not the same as D&D which does not have all rules free.
@@yarnevkyes. But telling you there's a cheaper demo to try inside the full game, would be a bad marketing move.
The ideal path would be to tell you to buy the beginner box, try it, and then if you liked it, buy the full book. That's great. Telling you to buy the demo _after_ you bought the main game would feel bad. That is why there isn't an advice inside this book to go buy the Beginner box, imho.
then go learn without it. People are trying to be helpful, the beginner box exists for this exact reason. If you don't want to use it, learn the system some other way.
I feel like this a smart decision though? You’re completely right that almost all ttrpgs have a starter set separate from the core rules books. Think this is smart as spending a fraction of the cost for a starter set to try the game and see if it’s for you/playgroup feels better than playing full price and finding out the system doesn’t jive well.
Most of the time these starter sets are packed with plenty of content anyways. Save the core books if it’s a system you know your group will stick with.
is there anywhere i can find a compliation of the changes that are being made so i dont have to read through the entire book and try to pick out what's changed?
Where is that Overview Sheet available? That's a good resource to have.
"If this [book] had statistics, it would be a martial weapon." Okay, I laughed and choked on my coffee lmao
The Pet feat sounds cute, but I have to wonder what the actual functionality behind it is supposed to be. It's neither an Animal Companion nor a Familiar and doesn't have any combat functionality whatsoever. So giving it the Minion trait and allowing you to give it two actions would only ever be used to have it run into cover and hide so it doesn't get murdered with its low health pool.
Kinda feels like they should have just added them as purchasable "gear", like draft horses.
The functionality is "I want to have an animal friend with my character concept without investing in options for an actual combat-statted companion." That's pretty much it. It's a narrative concession for players who want it.
@@kenkoopa7903 then make it an optional rule?
@@kenkoopa7903that is something Paizo does way too often: create a feat tax for something GMs have been giving for free since 1975. Who isn't going to allow you to have a non combat pet?
This falls in the same group as "Group Impression". Feats that makes the game worse for everyone just by existing, because they are now taxes required to do things you could do if it didn't exist.
@@kenkoopa7903 And I feel it's a concession that could have been made without giving it the minion trait. Like, what are you going to do with that? Also making it cost a feat is pretty bad for a cosmetic/roleplay option.
@@Bloodfencer1990To be fair, this is a game all about giving players what they want, but fitting those options into the context of the system. Giving it the minion trait preserves an already used function of the game, without needing a new set of rules. As for the feat tax aspect, I get it. But It’s only a tax in the (likely) 1% of campaigns where a GM isn’t going to just give it for free. This feat allows a player in any campaign to pick up a pet. Full stop. While it might seem nuts to you, there ARE GMs out there that would be reluctant to hand out a free pet as a house rule. All this feat does (and many like it) is provide a player a way to fulfill their pet fantasy under official PF2 rules w/o fear of the GM saying no.
I’ll be shocked if most GMs don’t hand this feat out for free upon player request. I know I certainly will. I have zero interest in taxing my players for anything fun like this that doesn’t also affect game balance. I already do free pets in my games, and if nothing else this just makes for an official listing that will likely show up on Pathbuilder and the like.
My guess is that there will be a Monster Core 2 and 3, replacing Bestiary 2 and 3, and they’ll incorporate the NPCs that aren’t in MC1.
Some OGL monsters from Bestiary 1 got dropped when moving to Monster Core 1 (Otyugh being one they mentioned in the paizo stream) and I think they said they would sprinkle in a few new monsters to make up for it. So the Monster Core books won't just be a reprint of the Bestiaries
Are these two core books all I need to get started?
You making video everyday till release? Thanks man!
Just two weeks away!🎉
Rules Lawyer I am a GM. Is it worth it for me to buy the GM core? I already own most of the Pathfinder 2E books currently so I am not sure if the GM core book will be different enough for me to warrant purchasing the 2.1 version.
The Core Rulebook was all you needed to play the game so it had magic items, world lore and some creatures. Now you need the Player Core and the GM Core to play (Starter Box aside). As long as they are released at the same time I think it is a good idea to streamline the Player Core this way.
Yes - we need a NPC Codex.
NPC Codex... Yes!
How does Seek action work in Exploration Mode?
Like you can Seek Objects or Creatures.
Searching objects you roll Perception vs Stealth DC which is determined by Hazards, Haunts, Traps, Hidden paths and other Secret.
Searching creatures you roll Perception vs Stealth DC which is determined by creature's Stealth DC?
So when in Exploration Mode you spot a hidden creature they chance from Unnoticed or Undetected to Hidden and swap to Encounter Mode rolling Initiative? The hidden creature would roll Stealth and if you did previously notice them you could now tell to your friends? But Pointing Out the Enemies requires you to observe the enemies? At least you could use Free Action to Speak on other creature's turn stating "Enemies!" Tough you might not know that they are enemies.
If you spot them then they're not hidden from you anymore, they're observed.
@@scottread2979 But which are they? Avoid Notice allows you to roll Stealth as initiative but when you come across of group of Players or NPCs using Avoid Notice are they already hidden or perhaps undetected or maybe unnoticed? On top of that if they are Unnoticed and you take seek action would they become undetected or hidden? Rules kinda assume they all people in encounter are undetected and no one is really unnoticed? Which leads to the dilema how do we determinated are they undetected? Is the act of just doing Avoid Notice enough to grant you Undetected and as long as you succeed initiative Stealth check against Perception DC you stay undetected? But that one person using Search Creatures you would be observed but now you roll stealth initiative does that make you Hidden to him but undetected to everyone else? Going from Exploration Mode to Encounter Mode is gray area of rules and super unclear, especially with dyslexia and the rulings seem wake and for searching creatures there is no other ruling beside Observant Explorer reffering to it same way as Find Traps does but Searching Traps has specific rules of Search Activity during Exploration Mode but there are no rules Seraching Creatures in Exploration mode, so can you search creatures and is that different action from searching objects ...........
@@xezzee @xezzee if you've "come across them" already then they are not hidden.
Directly from Avoid Notice - "If you’re Avoiding Notice at the start of an encounter, you usually roll a Stealth check instead of a Perception check both to determine your initiative and to see if the enemies notice you (based on their Perception DCs, as normal for Sneak, regardless of their initiative check results)."
So you use the normal rules for Sneak. If you beat the enemies Perception DC, you are undetected.
The "Search" Exploration activity says nothing about moving from exploration mode to encounter mode. If a character is actively searching and beats the Stealth DC of an enemy hiding then they become aware of something, but not exactly what it is. From Search - "a character notices the presence or absence of something unusual in the area, but it doesn’t provide a comprehensive catalog of everything there. Instead, it gives a jumping-off point for closer inspection or an encounter".
So in a random scenario, enemies are sneaking up on a group of players. They roll stealth to Avoid Notice and beath the Perception DCs of all PCs. One of the PCs is searching, and succeeds against the Stealth DC of the enemies. Maybe they hear a noise or see some leaves rustling. Maybe they know they aren't alone but can't tell exactly where the enemy is. Now if they want to use a Seek action, you have to roll initiative and start moving into an ecounter. If an enemy failed or crit failed on Avoid Notice, EVERYONE has the chance of seeing it because you compare your result to the DC of everyone you're trying to hide from, not just the person searching.
To reverse the situation, enemies are standing around Searching, and the players are Avoiding Notice. The PCs while exploring would roll stealth, the enemies would roll Perception. If all the PCs pass, they're undetected. If one of the enemies succeeds, initiative would begin with the players undetected and enemies knowing something is wrong.
@@feral_orc I see.
You can do only one Exploration Activity at the time which are basically you repeating one action over and over again.
As Searching is is based on Seek action would that not mean you have to choose between Searching Creatures or Searching Objects like Hazards, Haunts and Secret paths?
If enemies take Avoid Notice as Exploration Activity would it not make sense to roll the Stealth before hand and then later use that as Initiative for the encounter? Also if one succeeds Avoid Notice would they not be Unnoticed? And if the creatures is Unnoticed you are also Undetected as rules for unnoticed state? And if someone uses the Seek Creatures as Exploration Activity and succeeded the Perception check against any unnoticed and/or undetected Creature the creature would becomes Hidden? While Creature is Hidden you wouldn't learn what type of Creature it is? But if you were to crit succeed your Search Creature Exploration Activity would they not become Observed and you would learn that they are for examples Kobolds?
So if we have mirrored encounter where Goblins are using Avoid Notice in A Goblins want to Ambush the players and B where the Goblins want to Avoid the players if in both cases Goblins succeed Avoid Notice Stealth roll (which would be used as initiative) in A there would be Encounter where Players are surrounded by the Goblins but in B the players would walk past the Goblins without ever entering to Encounter Mode? Also in A the Player who rolls higher initiative than Goblins would notice something is off like falling leaves just before the Goblins jump from ambush and it would not be meta gaming to use Seek action to find Undetected enemies?
Taking the same A and B if one player was searching for creatures and succeeded the Perception roll against Stealth DC the Unnoticed creatures would become Hidden DM would start Encounter Mode but place players 20ft to 300ft farther away from Goblins instead of being surrounded by Goblins? The players who have yet not rolled would get to now roll initiative for combat but both Goblins and the Player Searching for Creatures would use the rolls they rolled as initiative? Now question is if a player who was Defending rolled highest initiative would he now know there are undetected creatures or would the creatures be unnoticed? How should this be run in Encounter Mode? Do you allow the player to Seek Creatures? I mean Encounter Mode almost always is involving Creatures? Do they get magical six sense to know there are Undetected Creatures? Or do we assume the player who noticed them would automatically use free action on other creatures turn to speak and say "There are hidden creatures ahead."
The rules how to use Seek Creature as Exploration Activity are missing?
They give examples of Avoid Notice but not what happens if someone were to use Search Creatures 🤔 That leaves a lot to the DM to come up with.
I'm sorry about this wall of text. I'm just trying to make sense of the confusing rules :< As English being my third language and having Dyslexia it makes hard to understand how they work sometimes, especially when they are not in the rule book 😓
The benefit of Ignition over Produce Flame would be useful if you played a Magus who has a lower Intelligence
The missing Magic Items is odd to me, which is probably the reason Alchemist is not in the remaster.
It's in the remaster it's just not coming out till next year in player core 2.
Please tell us what happened to Electric Arc
Last I saw, it deals 2d4 damage, instead of 1d4+spellcasting modifier. I'm not sure if the scaling changed, but it's probably still an additional 1d4 per level
Naw, it was a bold move but I like the how to play the game right next to the appendices. Allows for quick flipping between the two easier and you're not going from one end of the book to the other when popping through the index to the how to play the game. It's built less for a first read and more as what's more important to reference faster when in the game.
Is there any chance this remaster is getting it's own title? Researching the remaster of AD&D second edition, as opposed to the first release of AD&D second edition, was like pulling teeth. Distinct titles really help, even if it's just called "2.1" it'll at least make things clear.
Rules Lawyer, if I am interested in getting into PF2 more seriously but want to wait for the remaster, what would you recommend I purchase and when? I want to use the remastered rules and am not too concerned with older material.
I am not the rule lawyer personally, but suggest you to play the not remastered verduon for now by using the archive of nethys/adventures paths and when all remaster books are launched, buy them instead of the old core rulebook if you like the changes
I’m not the RL, but I will still answer the question. While I agree with the other commenter about their suggestion being the wiser choice, I feel like it misses the mark based on your stipulation that you want to primarily deal with the Remaster material.
The best answer for you (if you’re somewhat new to the ttrpg hobby) would be to wait two weeks and then check out Archives of Nethys. My understanding is it’ll have all the new rules, terminology, etc. on official release day. The reason I say to wait is due to the terminology changes. Cutting back on the learning curve of word or phrase changes like Attack of Opportunity, which will forever be called Reactive Strike going forward, just makes sense.
Should you have money burning a hole in your pocket and a large desire to buy a book now, and financially support Paizo, pick up Rage Of Elements. It released this summer and is fully compatible with the Remastered format. Even the applicable terminology changes have been made. However, please be aware that the new Class in that book, the Kineticist, while extremely fun, is also enough to make some new players’ head spin. So while I do recommend picking it up, do so now but maybe skip over the actual Kineticist class for now. The rest of the book should still work great for learning the new terminology.
Otherwise, just wait out the two weeks and you can buy the two new Remastered books.
All that said, if you’re coming from another system, such as D&D 5e, and you are pretty familiar with the terminology in that system, I would suggest you do what the other commenter said and browse through the current stuff of interest on Archives. Outside the many terminology changes, 99% of the original PF2e things are staying the same.
@@Captainpigraven Thank you. That is exactly what I was looking for. I've been waiting for the remaster so I can wait a little longer. I have been playing TTRPG's for 35+ years, and I am familiar with them, but with every new system there are learning curves for the terminology and mechanics, and I would rather just learn the new standards instead of both. I will check out Rage of Elements as well. Thank you very much for your post.
@@MrMagyar5 No problem. I’m glad I could help. Happy PF2ing! If you have any further questions about anything PF2 related, I’m always happy to help.
New books available on the 15th... our next session is on the 18th... do I bother reading through the books this time around, or continue winging it via Foundry... 😂😂
Tbh, if you're having fun, keep on keeping on. Look up the rules on Archives of Nethys if you need reference, but the main goal is fun.
16:50 - Can fans of Elric & Stormbringer make a witch with an intelligent sword as a familiar & patron?
if the Baba Yaga patron is still there with the same rules, then yes! Baba Yaga patron witches can make inanimate objects their familiars which, by nature of becoming a familiar, would then become intelligent :)
@@hawkakux - That's cool, though I might reskin it so the demon in the sword is itself the patron.
For those of us who like playing Second Edition, but can't afford the Remastered Material (yet), can't we simply place updates in the form of highlights, footnotes, and notebooks to reference the Remastered Materials? My apologies for the prior sentence fragments, run ons, and such.
I think that using a catch-all "nephilim" heritage to replace the IP-branded tieflings and aasimar sounds great, and reflects the varied interpretation of the term by different traditions, though I REALLY hope they don't use the plural to refer to the singular again. They fixed it in 2e with the einherjar, so fingers crossed they do the same so we don't have reference to a single nephilim. As a Jewish person it always feels weird to hear the -im suffix refer to a singular entity.
OK BASICALLY I am pissed when I got my 'new update books' from roll20 for the conversion because they are NOT PDF's in anyway. So I have a really hard go of doing remaster right now. I need help. It's really screwed me up in many many ways. I have thousands of hours on Roll20 for pathfinder GM..and I have been running games longer than you have been alive....but really I am perplexed over the change. It's hard when I don't have a quick sheet for the change. No modules for the change to get me into running the game again. "I GM while my old books gently weep."
Fairly disappointed to hear that apg isn't coming until August next year rendering the remaster kinda pointless for my group since I have a few players using classes from it. Esp since they were wanting to have the updated alchemist rules for the alchemist player sooner than later.
Any Spanish speakers who may have some knowledge when the remaster will be available in printed spanish? Bought the starter set recently and want to buy the core rulebooks but don't want to invest in something that will be replaced.
The only thing I want them to do is change spell shape to spell form, it just sounds better.
"Pet Feat" - Nnnnoooo. I'm all for more choices and the like, but there are already far too many feats that you must take to do something you should already be able to do.
I feel like it's more than a 2.1 but less than a 2.5.
Possibly a 2.2 or 2.25.
They did redo everything related to aliment & schools of magic which is a major change in it's self..
Here's a quicker guide on how to use the new books of PF2 and learn its new rules:
1) Make sure you buy the new Core Rulebook in a language that you know.
2) Read it.
You're welcome.
(EDIT: Sorry I meant to be funny, not seriously critical. I understand that your video is an overview of the new books and it's a good one. I just found the video's title a bit funny!).
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I think a more fair statement is that they created the Orc license so other publishers have *the option* of using it, because honestly I doubt many actually will: There's more than one big third party company pushing more than one alternative open gaming license so we will quickly see a situation akin to what we see on the open source software world where open source can mean a number of different licenses.
This isn't necessarily a bad thing but just like open source software development, it will be a challenge to consider not only ORC but all other possible alternatives to OGL so as much as Paizo wants everyone to just use their new licensing, it's never going to be as universally used as OGL was, sadly.
as far as third party publishers go I'm not sure. I know ORC but I haven't seen anything else. Some of the OSR games will be using ORC I know that for sure. If there are other alternatives too I'm not aware of them.
The most important change to me is no ability scores, only modifiers.
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Wait, they're making Barbarian player wait until next August before they get an update? WTF?
I actually prefer the rules to be after character creation. I learn best when I make a character and reference my character sheet as I read.
I call this character my trainwreck character because I just pick whatever options seem the hardest
I am still mixed on including on any campaign setting information in the core books. Namely as I think for those who have their own campaign setting created, it is just padding the pages for nothing that will ever be used. On the other hand, Deity information could be useful for creating characters that require Divine magic. Though this could be handled by generic aspects, such as Goddess of Love, etc. Which could easily transfer to whatever universe you are playing in.
Then those pages with general gods would be useless to those that play in Golarion, who would pay for Golarion's gods in a separate book.
@@gustavotriqui Yeah, exactly. Rules books in general I think shouldn't contain the 'flavor' of the campaign settings. Though I suppose having some of the 'non-standard' playable ancestries could be argued to not need to be there. Like if you were trying to play in middle-earth, you would need things like Tieflings, the Raven dudes, etc.
@@slaapliedje this ain't gurps friend. 95% of rpgs include setting info in the rulebooks. you think its more common to have an entire setting ready to go than not?
@@feral_orc AD&D never included it in any of the core books. Can't recall if 5e does either. There isn't just a 'default'. I don't even think PF1e does either (I would have to pull my book out and look). Now of course there are game systems that are very specific to their universe. Mongoose 2nd edition Traveller doesn't have any campaign setting material in the core book either (outside of various alien races, if you count that). It just seems better design to me if you want GMs to be able to pick what they want to buy in addition to the core books.
@@feral_orc as a secondary reply, I have also been known to state that if you really want the flavor of a specific campaign setting, it is best to use the system it was designed for. GURPS is amazing for stuff I create myself, but I wouldn't use it to play in Forgotten Realms or Golarion. Though I think I would use it for more cerebral material, like Ravenloft.
Correct me if Im wrong, so now I'll need to buy at least PC Core and GM Core to run some games? Oh, great I see that bestiary, even in the basic form isn't included in either of those books, so Monster Core is needed as well... Will there be a pocket version of those as well?
You don't have to buy any of these as they are all available online for free. If you want to buy them you can though
Pocket versions of all will eventually be available. As a GM though I've never bought a Bestiary as it is easier to set up multiple tabs online for stats.
About your conclusions, I am not surprised that they don't send you to a "beginners' version" of the game inside if the full product you already paid for.
It is different if you buy the beginners' version, you like it, and then you are enticed to buy the more expensive full books, than of you buy the full version and then they tell you "hey, btw, there's a cheaper introductory book you should have bought instead".
Think on it like a videogdme, or other software. To point out that there's a "demo" version inside of the full version would feel be bad.
Petty conplaint: it annoys me to no end what there are planned book 2's but then refuse to call the first book "Book 1" and instead leave out the number. JUST ADD IT
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Ugh, what a mess with all the now out of date books and having to cross reference with the new book. I think I’ll just wait for the fresh start of 3E
Core Rulebook to Treasure Vault is all you need. Ignore the rest.
Calling the D&D revision a new edition while saying Pathfinder is only a .1 is disingenuous, and when it comes to entertainment, negative campaigning just damages the hobby as a whole.
The main difference there is how extensive the changes are. From what I have seen of the playtests, every single 5e remaster class is getting vastly reworked and their identity changed.
PF2E remaster is only massively changing a couple classes and everything else might get some new feats.
A pf2e fighter and a pf2er fighter will act about the same. A 5e fighter and 5er fighter will be so different you might as well call them different classes. Or at least that is my understanding of it. Now, some classes are getting massive changes, be it because things that were in the OGL got removed or changed.
For a more video-gamey analogy, 5e's update is like the change between named versions of WoW, where some things might have the same name, but everything is pretty different. Pf2e is closer to a mid-season update, where they rebalance some things, change some mechanics, but overall things work the same.
My position is that both are new editions. Calling the new D&D edition 6e has been my position since it was announced and it's for very specific reasons - first, there have been long-running complaints about D&D that WOTC can fix, which require revising some of its core engine. Evolution is healthy. And WOTC has been walking back on a lot of popular changes from early playtests in the name of "backwards compatibility." Second, WOTC is engaged in a ridiculous campaign saying "there are no editions, it's just D&D." Why engage in precision when dealing with insanity?
Criticizing a company that takes its customers for granted because it is the market leader, and criticizing the ruleset that is openly being revised (with the company soliciting feedback), is rather healthy and needed for the hobby.
Also WotC markets OneDnD differently that Paizoy who directly call it a Remaster
@@TheRulesLawyerRPG - The amount of changes in both cases is about like the differences in D&D 3e to 3.5. 3.5 to 4e was a full edition change. Calling both of the current revisions a .5 change would be fair, but you have not been doing that. You act like D&D is a full edition change, while PF is just a tiny update.
Further, saying the changes are big enough to call the D&D revision a new edition, but also saying the changes aren't going to happen, just makes no sense.
I understand the frustrations with 5e, but it's what I run because it's what people are willing to play. Part of the reluctance to try Pathfinder comes from the perception of tedious difficulty, but another thing that pushes potential players away is the Pathfinder evangelism in the form of negative campaigning against something they currently enjoy.
As to the companies, both have their good and bad spots, but the business execs, designers, and writers are all different people.
@@Keovar and that's also disingenuous. You've seen the changes they made to the classes in d&d right? Are you being ironic?
The hardest barrier for me to overcome is the removal of the alignment system. I've heard your explanation, but I just cannot get on board with it. It was a stupid decision, flat out. I realize they did it to further distinguish themselves from D&D, but that just really cuts out a MASSIVE chunk of the very foundation of what the entire system was built on. Those conversations around the table about what actions were or weren't in line with a specific alignment were part of the experience. You should be having those conversations, but now... What? Complete moral relativism? A heroic champion who acts selflessly to help others and a tyrannical despot who cannibalizes children are morally equivalent now? You can no longer classify one of those as Good or Evil? No. That's just really dumb. It's a fantasy game, there SHOULD be a distinction between good and evil. So what if you're a morally gray character? That's what Neutral was for. Every single character fits within one of the 9 Alignments easily, even if their actions step over the line to something else from time to time.
I want to like it. I do. I'm just going to need a lot more convincing. Like, sit down with someone and have a 2-3 hour conversation about the pros, cons, utility within the game system, and the very definitions of Good, Evil, Law, and Chaos. I think what bothers me the most, is that I no longer have a place in D&D. I have tried to play 5e a dozen times, but I just do not like the system. I found Pathfinder 2e, and I have really been growing to enjoy it. With this Remaster however, I feel like I no longer have a place here either.
If alignment is your bag maybe some old school renaissance games might be more for you?
What kind of games do you like rules wise? Does alignment need to be a feature at all to have fun? Or only in D&D clones/derivatives?
I find alignment annoying and I’ve ignored it in every DnD clone I’ve played. Including PF 2e. Even if opened up some AD&D or basic i’d do my best to ignore alignment besides what as needed for effects
"Sir, this is a Wendy's"
Turn alignment back on for your game, it isn't rocket surgery
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you can totally do that, just like you can IRL. Not that it actually makes a difference IRL either
I'm not going to give Paizo hundreds of dollars to replace the books I bought just over a year ago. It's no different than the OneD&D bullshit where it's going to be minor changes and what amounts to an in depth errata. Now, Paizo made all my books useless. Please don't give me any bullshit about my books still being "compatible". That's NEVER happened in a functional way with ANY "updates" like this with pervious D&D releases, and PF2e is no different.
And then they make the books smaller AND more expensive.
I get you like to shill for Pazio, but if you're going to be "objective" here and call out D&D and WotC (which make no mistake is dogshit), then you MUST do the same for Pazio. Otherwise, you're not a content creator, you're a marketing arm for a company.
So, which are you?
you can get the important info for free online from the free pdfs and ignore any of the changes you want. stop being an egghead.
You know, I'm glad I'm not the only one thinking this. In particular after we talked our 8 person table into switching, which is not cheap for most of them. Only 3 of the 8 could be considered to have "adult" jobs and only 2 of those 3 really have disposable income (myself being one of them, being, you know, _old_ ).
The only advantage that Paizo has over WotC here is the fact they do put the rules for free online, but the question here is HOW FAST? Did they give the guy that maintains Archives of Nethys early access to the changes so he can code them in to be live on street date, or are we waiting possibly MONTHS?
The reality is the cost of the books hasnt changed since PF2e was released, and it should have based on the costs of producing books. Basically everyone has talked about this. So while I get your oppinion about rebuying, the cost of books has gone up. Thats just a fact of the industry.
@@opscontaylor8195archives will update the day of it all other releases are to go by
@@opscontaylor8195 The Archives of Nethys remaster change goes live this month, yes.
Very positive comment
I would rather have the rules and appendices adjacent since they get flipped through together fairly often.
No NPC gallery in GM Core is a puzzling choice. It's a very useful feature. Still, the GM Core looks to remain very useful.