I love the deapth, but it was too much for a full 1.5 hour episode. While the series was missing many action set pieces. For example, the finale removes the tunnel flood sequence.
@@dogcatcher7041 I was kinda hoping for the tunnel flood set piece in the final episode too, if only so we could have a brief shot of Joel pushing Ellie across some water on a wood palate.
ESPECIALLY going into Part 2/season 2!!! So many people wonder why Ellie would be mad at Joel for 'saving' her and neglect to consider that she had connections to other people outside of Joel who she feels somewhat indebted to. "Left behind" "I'm still waiting on my turn" "it can't all be for nothing". Ellie and Joel are very similar but they also have very different motivators that are important to consider.
"No zombies getting shot in the face by big men with squinty eyes and gritting teeth? A relatively quiet and bittersweet story developing one of the two main protagonists and explaining how she found out about her most notable trait? Huh, must be filler."
Zombie movies and shows aren't really about zombies they are about how people deal with a crisis. Most monster, sci-fi, and fantasy stories have a deeper social and political commentary.
True enough, though I feel like the fact that they were absent from so much of the show made the world feel that much less dangerous, which kind of undermines the whole theme of this being a dangerous fallen world that is on the brink of collapse.
"Why were the Fallout games not about the radioactive fallout itself? It's right there in the title! Why do they focus so much on people?" --Conservatives probably
Okay...but there still need to be zombies. I think "there aren't enough zombies," on its own is a very good and simple critique of the show. Ellie's immunity loses its meaning in a world where they barely encounter danger from the infected.
No one understands what "filler" means. Character development is not filler. Thematic elements are not filler. Emotional exploration is not filler. These are all essential parts of STORYTELLING.
@@spreadwuvokayIf "not relevant" means that the main character is a Protector who feels justified on going on a killing spree in the finale because people like his last friend on Earth told him that it's his purpose and he should be proud to do so is "not relevant." Sure. Bill and Frank should not have been fleshed out so much that when Joel finally breaks down and cries for losing Tess, Frank, and Bill that we see how much he's lost and we appreciate how scared that makes him to lose Tommy and now Ellie. They should have just explained it through the letter. *shrug* Who needs character development through seeing a story when you can just read a letter.
"Pop culture is going woke... People are living their lives in ways that don't affect me... Teachers are teaching accurate history and science to our kids... Arrrggghhh!"
@@bilbobaggins9451 sure but we don't need to get through to ourselves. We know all this shit. We need to get through to the people who are fall into this trap. And if we aren't aware of how it works, we probably won't be able to put a dent into their false consciousness.
@@bilbobaggins9451 Some people think that any minorities having power or representation oppresses the majority. I think they think that with more representation, the more normalizes it becomes, thus the less power the majority holds over the culture and systems of beliefs. I really think that's why they care so much, but it's not like there's tons of other pieces of media that doesn't have a lot of diversity or radical views.
The romantic moments in Harry Potter movies are subtle, but they are pretty sweet. Edit: Maybe subtle isn't the right word due to missing out some scenes, but there are plenty of romantic moments happen in Harry Potter right in under the mistletoe. I'd say that Harry and Cho Chang's kiss scene and Hermoine and Ron's chemistry are pretty sweet.
@@chibbykill yup, Hermoine sticking her straight sexuality in all our faces in that dress for the ball, it was sickening! Children watched it and were exposed to sexuality!
Are you joking. They outed themselves so long ago and through such obvious buffoonery that now we know there's no level of "outing" oneself that will have any sort of impact the way "outing" should.
what drives me crazy about U conservatives is the fact that as a person from northern europe I see how US could be sooo much better country to live ijn....it could be soo much better but it isnt cause conservatives are scared of communism:D as someone whos parents lived in soviet union its both frustrating and funny at the same time, its frustrating cause people have to suffer because of this but its funny because these far right conservatives have no idea what they are talking about when they talk about communism :D...flat earthers are also often far right conservatives :D they deny all the science basically :D it just amazes me when did these people get soo stupid :D
You can still have romantic vibes, wtf are you talking about? It's as simple as one kid being uncomfortable around another. But with the Last of Us, we got an entire episode completely wasted on a little love story that no one cares to see. It IS important for Ellie's development, don't get me wrong but in no way did it need to use up the entire episode. It was just boring... We already got an entire episode dedicated to people in episode 3. Yes, also gay but at least that was much better with execution. Still, that one also didn't need to focus the ENTIRE episode on the fact that two guys love each other. We barely got anything with the main characters at that point.
Except when Ron gets ha ha funny drugged with the date rape potion. Also all the kissing between teenagers. Also the fact it’s for children and teenagers when the Last of Us makes no bones about it that it’s for an adult audience.
@@the1337contrarian you should probably go back to jacking it to ben shapiro videos. first of all, stating that the "entire episode [was] completely wasted on a little love story that no one cares to see" is a reach of enormous proportions, and you know it too. spending a total of 2 hours and 11 minutes throughout the entire show focusing on gay relationships is miniscule compared to the eons worth of content focused on heterosexual relationships in media. and also, how can 2 beautiful and heart-wrenching episodes about love and sacrifice that perfectly tie in to the show's themes about exploring human relationships in an apocalypse--no matter the sexual orientation--be something that you consider "unnecessary?" and not only that, your implication that gay people can only be written in popular media/tv shows if they're written with perfect execution is egregious. people like you give heterosexual characters the chance to be badly written, but when it comes to diversity it has to be done to your "standards." and let's be real here.. to you and people like you, it wouldn't matter even if the gay characters were well-executed and perfectly written. your problems do not lie with the writing of said characters, no matter how much you like to say so; your problems simply lie with the fact that gay characters exist and are allowed to have time allotted to fleshing out their stories rather than being a short cameo or an afterthought. not to mention how your interpretations and takeaways from both episodes 3 and 7 are completely off the mark (read: WRONG) because you're more focused on being homophobic than even attempting to put together a good-faith connection to the overall themes of the story. it's actually possible to have wrong opinions, and you're patient 0 in that epidemic for sure. seek healing
The agenda behind TloU episode 3 was that two people had separate skillsets that on their own are not valuable enough to complete what we societally revere as the "human experience." Bill was just surviving. And on his own, Frank didn't really have the skillset to survive for long. Together they built a life worth living. The theme of this episode contributes to the larger point of the entire series, because the entire series is not about surviving a zombie apocalypse. It's about a traumatized man healing by rediscovering purpose in living. Joel, like Bill, could survive well. He's handy, capable, and knowledgeable, and sufficiently violent if it comes down to it, but he wasn't living for anything outside of a person's basic instinct to not die. That purpose was found in Ellie, and his purpose and newfound attachment to living to protect her was so strong that he made a pretty questionable choice at the end of the story in the name of protecting her at all cost. Also, the romance between Bill and Frank felt more natural and passionate than a lot of hetero romantic relationships in media. A lot of times it feels forced.
Reactionaries don't understand the concept of the parallel in storytelling. Like....episode 3 gave us not only a solid story, but a literal thesis statement of everything the next 6 episodes were going to be about. You'd have to TRY to miss that kind of thing honestly. It's astonishing
About that relationship. I was trying to imagine it played with a straight couple with Frank gender-swapped. Wouldn’t it have kinda had a weird vibe if they hooked up in a similar way? Like Bill taking in a stranded woman, then they bond and sleep together over food and music? I dunno it would feel like someone was taking advantage of the other.
@@malekaius Speaking from my own experience of falling in love as a woman and from listening to my mother talk about her late first husband, the love of her life; Bill & Frank's relationship definitely maps onto hetero relationships quite well. That was the healthiest, purest form of genuine romantic chemistry and emotional devotion to each other I've ever witnessed on screen. There were about 3 moments that brought my partner and I to tears because we were just watching _us,_ and what our future together might look like.
I very rarely get invested in the romances in shows but my god, I was sobbing by the end of ep3. Such a beautiful, tender love and I really enjoyed a portrayal of gay men outside of cartoonist stereotypes
My favorite part of the trans hate with the second game is originally it wasn't actually directed at the trans character because they assumed Abby was trans purely because she was ripped
My favorite part of Ben's ep 3 rant is where he whined about there being "gay sex scene(s)" in the episode, when there was ONE singular scene where two men were in bed naked together, kissing and talking. If that's what Ben thinks "sex" is, I'm not surprised he famously doesn't know women get wet.
Ben’s writers get a lot of their material scraping 4chan, and when Episode 3 came out the two points they were making there is that it was a “filler episode” and pretending that there was some extended explicit gay sex scene in it.
I know I saw Ben rant about it and that’s what made me decide to watch The Last of Us, so thanks Ben because it’s an incredible show. But the way he talked about the sex scene I thought it was going to be graphic, especially because HBO/Netflix/showtime shows can get away with that, but it was literally like the classiest sex scene I’ve seen on tv? He just hated it cause gay.
I’m really thankful for episode 3. My brother was closet homophobic. Not in an all out hateful, violent way. He just didn’t see gay people showing affection in public as “necessary”. And a couple of times he told me “people can be gay, as long as it’s away from me.” I’d shrug, and say “it’s just love”. When he watched episode 3, he cried. And my brother never cries (abusive step dad and uncle, men-should-never-cry mentality). He said it was beautiful, and admitted that his previous views were wrong. And then honestly asked if something was wrong with him for having thought that way initially. He felt ashamed. I said “as long as you understand, now. It’s just love. That has to be fought for and continuously has lawmakers trying to ban, or worse.” His eyes went wide and he went into deep thought. I know he’s forever changed now.
I'll give an even bigger one; everyone around the world watches this show as well, including in countries with the death penalty for gays. They all watched it and their reviewers addressed it. First, that puts a human face on gay people to these folks, they're no longer an evil abstract notion. Secondly, they're talking about it; this is the first time they hear that their opinion on this is not uncontroversial, they never heard a challenge. All the commentary is vile at first, but so was it in the most liberal countries at the start; forcing the conversation is jumpstarting progress, and it worked. Every American should be proud that their culture is actually accomplishing that; it's too big for any words to describe.
Love how Shapiro’s point about it being an episode of a zombie show with no zombies fell apart as the series went on, and we got to see that *most* of the episodes had no “zombies.” Because that’s not actually what the show was about. The title wasn’t “Walking Dead,” “Dawn of the Dead,” “Army of the Dead,” etc. It was “The Last of Us.” It was about people.
It's also worth noting that there were many episodes of the walking dead, especially in later seasons, where the focus wasn't on any zombies (though they may have appeared, it wasn't for the plot, just aesthetic reasons). There were plenty of character building episodes in TWD. Nobody complained then that I saw.
@@5TailFox if they do. No one's gonna watch. Last of us works because part 1 is acclaimed. 2 is known for cutting its own audience down the center with bad choices.
There were also people complaining about Joel's heart wrenching conversation with Tommy in episode 6 because he cried and had a moment of 'emotional weakness'. That was such a painful and humanizing moment for the character, but there are apparently some people out there who were mad he wasn't an unemotional übermensch the whole way through like, well, an immortal video game character with multiple lives. I appreciated how the TV version of Joel was notably worn down by years of violence and survival, both physically and mentally. You could really see how he bottled all of his pain up in front of Ellie and that moment with Tommy was the first time in years he'd let himself be vulnerable with someone.
It was definitely a surprise as someone so used to Troy's Joel, but it was a welcome one. I also think it added to Ellie and Joel's relationship at the time. In the game, I got the impression that he wanted to hand her off to Tommy because he was still in hard-core repression, and wanted to avoid a full attachment. It made me think it was more of a "if she dies, I don't want to see it/be responsible." In the show, it's obvious he's already attached and is instead scared of failing her. Moreso "I can't handle it if she dies, and I know I can't ensure her safety." Of course, both versions come to their senses fairly quickly, but I really appreciate the show's approach. This franchise is about love, after all, not being a macho tough-guy.
"I hate the show not for the gay stuff but that's going to be the only thing I complain about or if I'm feeling spicy the Communism." There's all the conservative takes saved you an afternoon.
The best dumb take I encountered when it comes to the commune is, “Ha! Communism would only work in the apocalypse? Losers!” And it’s like, yeah. Capitalism didn’t survive the apocalypse, so by their own logic communism is indeed superior and the longer lasting model of society.
@@Scallycowell Especially when you compare and contrast the Fedra city still using Capitalism, the Fedra free city being run by a dictator, and the Communist commune in the mountain.
What backlash? It’s literally the most successful show on HBO of all time and up there with one of the best shows period. They are pulling at straws and they know “I just didn’t think it was all that great”, “it was a filler episode” just shows you how brain broken these people are when they can’t even analyze themes the show is broadcasting with a light bright enough to cast X-rays.
They live in an alternative reality, or really I should say their listeners do. These grifters know that their audience won’t actually bother looking up anything they say and that give them free range to say pretty much anything
Yeah it’s insane to call it a filler episode when it ends with a character reading aloud a letter which says “THIS IS WHY THE STORY WE JUST TOLD IS RELEVANT”. They had a safety net in case the audience was too stupid to get it and these people failed that too.
@@daemonhoundofkhorne834 oh stop with the pearl clutching, these people don’t give a shit about the show nor do they care if it’s actually any good, if it has a minority or doesn’t show men as being dominant then it’s propaganda and wrong.
Anti-SJW content is like peering into a pergatory void stuck in 2018. Nothing ever changes. Everything is always the same other than the piece of media or person or unnamable target to throw the same points at.
Yeah. They must be stucked in the mid to late 2010s where outrage becomes a selling point on the Internet, but by the time they become downhill and the outrage slowly fades away, they are getting desperate.
But it is alarming how popular this Anti-SJW in 2023. Almost every major social media is taken over by them. Leftwing Youtbers get couple of thousand views on their videos while these rightwing/anti woke/Conservatives gets millions. Just compare the most popular leftwinger vs a rightwinger on youtbe. it is alarming. Most people on the left focus on policy and the right on "woke"
Back when they could still plausibly claim that abortion wouldn't be banned and that leftists were all just being paranoid. Fuck these people. I'm back in my metal phase, personally ;p
I actually love the word because it's become a great bullshit detector. Whenever I hear a person start talking about "wokeness" I already know that they're full of shit
There have been a few times I try to genuinely ask conservatives in online comments sections what "woke" means to them, and they never provide an answer. They just make some obnoxious joke like "you a liberal cuck herp derp" and that's it. These people don't have minds of their own, their brains are just memes and talking points that Shapiro told them.
I saw a right-wing critic saying it took the collapse of society for socialism to rise in this series, something among these lines. I don't think they realize how much of a self-own it is.
They don’t realize that literally the only thing stopping communism is the extremely predatory ways of capitalism and the powerhouses behind it. If the evil empire that is the US current government goes down, communism wins.
The funny thing is, with how capitalism is commiting seppuku RIGHT NOW with banks and economics world wide suffering with the greed of ultra neaoliberalism/capitalism, we're going exactly there...we either find a new model for society, or that fall is coming faster and faster....
Mentioning Communism in the show as a society that works was in instant fist pump for me. Specifically because I know my brother in law (watching the show) get's furious about communism/socialism. It was a massive victory having an american show depicting communism in a positive light.
The funniest part in the entire show is Tommy's face when his wife says "It's a commune, we're communists". His blank "what have I become" face will never be not funny. It's even funnier that it's just a commune, not actual communism, but conservatives get triggered by that word. Americans have been told "commies bad" for decades and have no idea what it actually is, just that "it's bad".
@@viridianacortes9642 I think it's definitely a joke, but most americans have such a poor grasp on politics they don't understand that commune and communism aren't the same. I don't really blame them that much considering they've been told "communism is evil" since birth. It's not deep, conservatives are just triggered
It's not a communism vs capitalism thing in the show. It's that a small town with 300 people who have no trade need to rely on each other, so of course a commune works in this setting.
I think you missed the point of Joel opening up to Ellie. He wasn't trying to replace her dead daughter, but he was avoiding having to feel attached to someone who couldn't defend by herself, that's why he only relied on Tess. When Ellie nearly gets raped by the cannibal guy, she almost had a mental breakdown. So Joel, knowing the horrible thing she went through, tries to take her out of that dark pit and actually opens up and bring his daughter to the conversation as a topic. There's two arches to the story, Joel learns how to become vulnerable again, while Ellie learns how to trust in someone who cares for her
Also the reason Ellie's vibe was more awkward in the end is because she doesn't believe him and she's working up the courage to confront him. So she's not really paying attention to him. We've all been in that situation where we want to say something we are afriad to say, so we can't concentrate on anything else. It was so much more realistic. Ellie is smart. She's not just gonna buy a story like that and go on a hike and forget all about it - but then at the end of the hike bring it up.
I don't see how you think this explains the discrepency Kav thought he saw between the game and the show. Ellie is clearly doing the same thing in the game, he just thinks she seems more at peace with it, like she's already decided she's goint to trust what he says even if he's obviously lying to her.
I saw so many conservative commenters compare episode 3 to Brokeback Mountain and all I can say is that it shows exactly why representation is needed. The episode was nothing like Brokeback Mountain. Their scope is so limited they don't know a single other example of a non-hetero romance story in film or TV
It's likely not one of them really watched it they were just told about it and they were told what to think about it and that's why their comparison is so bad
Also, the characters in Brokeback Mountain being gay was important to the story. Bill and Frank being gay in Episode 3 was barely touched upon. Surely a gay romance that doesn’t make a big deal out of their sexuality is the “least woke” way to approach it?
Hell, just last night I was looking through new movies and one of the most recent was about someone running away with their friend's older brother. Are all the reactionary lunatics gone? Good. It was about two guys. The rage over a movie they will never watch can be heard from here, and the website I was using is in Afghanistan.
It’s hilarious (and sad) at this point how much they conform with each other with the exact same opinion. It’s also hilarious how they cannot accept any art that doesn’t reflect their narrow worldview while we can still enjoy films that they creepily worship. (Top Gun: Maverick and Joker).
The projection is real. They say they're all free thinkers with such radical and amazing ideas. But what they do is all act exactly the same as each other. Meanwhile, if they actually sat in leftist meetings they'd see all we do is bicker and compromise trying to draw all the lines we need to draw. WE'RE the radical free thinkers with amazing ideas; they wish they could be like us.
At least one of which directly goes against their ideology in any sensible reading, but the creator himself doesn't seem to understand or otherwise care what he (I guess unintentionally?) made his movie about, so at least they have some credibility in the tropey "voice of God" way there.
@@goosewithagibus it's a decent film for what it is, the action scenes are well done, but overall you're not missing anything even if we ignore the propaganda.
This game was around 10 years old before the show dropped. None of this is new. All of this was said hundreds of times over before. The funny part, people are even more mad now. *Good, cope and seethe.* They not only made a good true to source adaptation, but did it so well it raised the bar for the standard of media adaptations.
I find it depressing, honestly. I mean it has been 10 years, and many of them act the same way as they did back then. Guess their problem really IS idealogical.
Agreed. He honestly does not understand character development, sub-plot, character back story, etc. Its why his movies and fiction books are absolutley awful.
@PlutarchTheOligarch Ben: The show is terrible. Where's the zombies and violence and endless exposition to make me know everything, it makes me feel bored and disgusted 😒 Everyone: You feel? Guess what Ben, FACTS don't care about your FEELINGS!!
While I agree with how you discussed the criticism regarding the casting, I find it odd that you don't mention the amount abuse Bella Ramsey has got throughout this process and the calls to have them recast, ESPECIALLY as you said you were uncertain of their casting and never explained what your issue was Bella as Ellie. Some of the abuse aimed at them has been horrific and non-stop. I thought they were excellent throughout. Part of this discourse has been down to Bella's non-binary identity and how they are not "attractive" enough to play Ellie, so that should have been addressed.
I didn't really like Bella or Pedro, I guess I wished they looked more like they did in the show. Also Pedro's voice is kind of grating sometimes, it's like hank Hill neutrality. But they were okay mostly.
Bella is non-binary? I just like them even more now 😀 Loved them and Pedro in GoT so that definitely made me watch the Last of Us TV show (and also because the games got shit on by conservatives xD). I was not disappointed. It did so much stuff with my feelings it's a miracle I managed to not cry 😢
The zombie genre has always been a very human story, about people and how they cope with a catastrophe that changes the world. A lot of modern zombie movies and TV shows have moved away from that original intention, making them more standard action type movies, which is fine, but The Last of Us was really true to the spirit of the zombie genre.
It's actually consistent enough for the most part that I don't even know what you're referring to. The Walking Dead was the most recent prominant zombie property, and it was, for better or worse, not _really_ action oriented. Koreans made Kingdom and All of Us are Dead, which have a lot of social commentary. I guess you're talking about Army of the Dead? Or maybe Zombieland? The World War Z movie that was a huge massive box office smash hit that completely and utterly ruined the source material? But like... at least the first two are very character focused, they're still kinda about the struggles of humanity, in a general sense.
@@futurestoryteller Yeah I was thinking of Zombieland, Army of the Dead, and World War Z primarily. And god the latter was such a good book, it's frustrating what they did with the movie.
Fear the walking dead is a good example of "zombies as backdrop". Romero's book (highly recommend it) basically used the zombies as a backdrop for ecological arguments alongside human stories.
I love the new stuff they added on the show and really enjoyed how they hired the Voice actors. I wished it was 10 EPISODES. Hopefully season 2 is just as good.
It's fun to watch this show's INSANE success breaking those tiny, tiny brains. 😁 I also love the pathetic, insincere argument that ep 3 has "nothing to do" with the greater story, COMPLETELY ignoring the fact Bill and Frank's relationship mirrors Ellie and Joel's, motivates Joel, contributes to world-building, and demonstrates how someone could live their "best life" EVEN post outbreak, clearly establishing the stakes of the show. But nevermind that since some people just hate the idea of two dudes kissing! LMFAO.
One way to look at it is that Bill and Frank respect each others' separate but mutual decision to die and Ellie kills her best friend after professing her undying affection because it's pointless otherwise. They all demonstrate a power to show love through the acceptance of death as inevitable or necessary and Joel... doesn't do that...
@@futurestoryteller ...and gets quasi-sanctified by conservative "fans" for it *SPOILER* who then lose their collective marbles when the inevitable consequences of his selfish an treacherous actions catch up with him. Which is really just storytelling 101.
@@futurestoryteller "Storytelling 101" was not meant to belittle TLOU2's story, but to emphasize that "consequences having actions" and "protagonists paying for their bad decisions" is a standard storytelling device and practically always has been and how ridiculous it is for conservatives to blow a gasket over it. Then again, they don't understand that principle in actual, real life, either, so....
@@KomradeKrusher Of course they don't, because conservatives and their ideology is all about being the MAIN CHARACTER, it's the reason they get strong reactions out of ANYTHING that doesn't centre them as the most important, special, best group EVER. In short conservatism is just masked Narcissism
Watching the ex gamergate crowd move on to making their entire personality about hating TLOU2 was a fun time. I think they were more mad about a woman having muscles than I have ever been about anything
The stupidest criticism I’ve seeing given to a game was the whole “Fat Thor” Controversy for GOW: Ragnarok. People lost their minds and saying they were making Thor “woke” before the game even came out. Turns out Thor had a great story arc in GOW: Ragnarok. The moral of the story, wait until things come out before criticizing them.
That defeats the purpose. Their goal is to poison the well so that people associate "bad" with "woke". So when they're preemptively telling their audience that X movie is bad, they know they'll think it's bad even if it isn't.
This implies that they might've had a point to make if they'd played the game first, but what it actually proves is that their argument was invalid to start with
Zombies are pretty much in the same boat as disaster movies. So having those monsters as the main focus is like making a tsunami a main character or something.
@@Bob_games103 Well you see... His show known as the daily liar is about zombies. Zombies like benny, know less, matt wench, klandace owens etc etc... His show actually is about the zombies lol.
I didn't take the end as Joel replacing Sarah with her, I think he genuinely tried to impress they are "two different kids", he makes sure that Ellie understands that is exactly what's NOT happening. I took the awkwardness more in the direction of " Wow Joel hasn't spoken this much in the whole time I've known him, he's avoiding to talk about what happened in the hospital" like he was talking so suspiciously much it very much felt like trying to distract her and she was catching onto it
I hated that they took out Joel's mad dash out of the hospital while holding Ellie. It's supposed to be a repeat of what happened with Sarah, except this time Joel actually succeeds. I wish they did more with that
If they’re pissy now, just wait until season two when a very muscular woman goes around beating up religious zealous for deadnaming her trans POC friend.
There's a moment of canned dialogue during gameplay that made me very emotional, and I was disappointed to find out it was only partially scripted. During the big WLF/Saraphite standoff I got spotted and the Wolves said "Abby's here, get that fucking traitor." and then later when the scars saw I was with Lev they go "Lilly's here kill the apostate!" and only after that line did Abby go "Fucking TRY IT!" The way it seemed like she was so much more invested in this other person's well being, rather than herself really touched me. But alas, in subsequent playthroughs... she will respond that way to either line
Damned if you do, damned if you don't. There is no pleasing these conservatives. For everyone's sanity, it's best to pay no attention to them and just make the great works that we want to see.
I wish they wrote compelling gay characters in a compelling gay story. It was filler that took away time from the plot. If the show didn't spend so much time on two characters who were gonna die that same episode then maybe the show wouldn't feel so rushed most of the time.
@Ben Wasserman Ellie and Dinas relationship in the game wasn't well written or compelling. But none of that game really was imo so. Show might do it justice though we'll see.
This reminds me, on a lesser level, of how much hate Ted Lasso got in season 2. A lot of fans of season 1 were really angry that the "sports" got less focus in season 2, when realistically for any TV show, is when they start to really develop the characters. These people were mad that the show delved into the personal lives of the characters, which is what a real fan of a show wants... but they didn't like it because it dealt with "feelings" and "lady business" and whatnot. Bigots are all different, but they're all the same. And they're bozos.
This is something I don't understand, the best thing about Ted Lasso is the characters and the relationships and seeing this team build it so that they can perform better.
Because they're too dumb to follow. They just want big muscle guys with big guns and give a couple catchphrases so they can master bate to it while crying how they wish they were as manly as the character.
Yeah, it isn’t really a sports show. It’s a dramedy with a football club background. My brother and dad who love football told me how inaccurate the show is to actual football anyway but they love the show because it isn’t about football
I just imagine you as a 70 year old woman in a leather jacket chain smoking outside of a malt shop and talking to a bunch of reporters. Hey Marge, give us the scoop Those guys are all bozos, idiots in matching backwards slacks
First. Also I can't believe the whole lgbtq thing is treated new still among people who did play TLOU YEARS ago. I will say though, LGBTQ representation even in the original tlou release back in early 2010s is still minimal or under-represented because the era then is different. It's a good thing Ellie's early relationship with Riley in the DLC is there. And the devs confirmed so many times both Ellie and the guy in the ghost town (forgot his name) are gays.
I will admit, I am looking forward to seeing how people who haven't played TLOU2 will react to what happens for the show. Will there be a dip in viewership?
@@SuperJJParker Well I think it's been confirmed Part 2 will span multiple seasons. So we could possibly see the flashback moments integrated first before we see the start of the game.
@@ryans413 Yeah... not that, bro. I really think a dip in viewership is unavoidable. I was actually surprised when people were all excited about big deaths constantly happening on Game of Thrones, but they were hardly happy with it forever, and the show had a huge cast. Last of Us' cast is extremely limited
Look at the sales of the first game compared to the second. (First game sold 6 million in the first 12 months) The second outsold the first. Just that they keep on re-releasing the OG game. So there was never a drop in players. Many people own multiple copies of the first game. But the tv audience will be fine. They just need someone amazing for Abby
@@Jan-ck9zw You think that an infamously dying industry is taking longshots to make an ideological stand in a capitalist society, and not because, actually it's not a longshot, it just doesn't always work all the time - you know - like all things that ever. Imagine thinking, in the modern day, that every pilot with a gay character that didn't get picked up amounted to evidence that gay people don't really watch or appreciate TV. That's you. This is what you sound like.
What I love about this is that the TV show faithfully - for the most part - follows the game. Which was published in 2013. Long before the word 'woke' meant anything other than the past tense of waking up. In the game, Bill was always gay. The relationship between Bill and Frank was always a part of the game. Always. In the game, Ellie was always gay. It was made obvious in the DLC, published in 2014. The characters being gay was never just a tack-on for 'wokeness' sake. It was always an integral party of the characters.
@@jasminewilliams1673 Huh. I didn't know that. Thanks for the correction - I just assumed that conservatives were COMPLETELY full of sh#t. But it makes sense. 'Political correctness' used to have a specific meaning, stemming from Russian necessity that 'facts' needed to adhere to Party doctrine rather than reality. In the 80's and 90's, the term 'political correctness' (shortened to PC) was co-opted by conservatives to mean 'anything a liberal says.' Now we see the same thing in the term 'woke.' According to what I read, 'woke' specifically refers to awareness of social and economic injustice perpetrated against African Americans. Now, the term has been co-opted by conservatives to mean 'anything a liberal says.' Because NOTHING in 'Last of Us,' game or TV series, has anything to do with social or economic injustice perpetrated against African Americans, or anyone else for that matter. The most it does is indicate that, well, gay people exist. Which, lets face it, ranks on my 'no shit, Sherlock' list just under the fact that you need to unzip your pants before taking a leak. Thanks again! :)
@@martinholt8168 a modern example would be like childish gambinos “stay woke” but yes it’s very old slang that unfortunately the zeitgeist has absolutely ruined. Enjoy ur vids!
Backstory episodes tend to be my favorite in any series. We get the origin of characters trauma, ideologies, etc and they are often the most emotional episodes.
I heard once that good stories involving an apocalypse do well because they prioritise what remains when human cruelty is at the forefront. Things like love, connection, understanding, loyalty etc... Joel and Ellie building their Father / Daughter relationship, or Bill and Frank's romantic one as examples. Usually, the stories that don't do so well are the ones that only focus on how terrible an apocalypse could be. (There are great apocalypse stories that don't follow this, sometimes even prioritising the inverse. But in general...)
You could maybe call episode 3 filler but it's still a beautiful episode and well worth watching. Episode 7 is not filler in any way. It is a very critical backstory to Ellie
It's understandable but I would argue that it's not a filler episode, at least not if you're looking to actually make sense of the whole story. In episode 9, Joel talks about how he was the guy that shot and missed, referring to the wound on his head - This wound wasn't mentioned until episode 3. Meaning that, for those that thought skipping episode 3 was a good idea, this conversation comes out of nowhere and lacks context. This scene is supposed to demonstrate how Joel has grown closer to Ellie that he is now willing to elaborate on something like that, and mentioning it earlier on in the show clearly shows that progression. That's not even mentioning Bill and Frank's parallel to Joel and Ellie, how Bill and Frank serve as the positive example of romance compared to the negative example shown within Joel and Tess, the foreshadowing of Joel's final choice, and the more practical events of simply getting a truck, ammo, clothes etc. Episode 7 also has fairly important context besides just providing vital backstory for Ellie - This is the episode that most overtly alludes to the fact that the Fireflies are not the good guys that we are expecting them to be. In this episode, both Fedra and the Fireflies are implied to be two sides of the same coin, using manipulation to maintain power, playing on a need for connection to rope you in, and ultimately have you doing bad things for a "good cause." It's what makes the conservatives categorisation of both episodes as simply "gay filler" so laughable to me xD Either they simply didn't watch the episodes and are just going off of what other fellow conservatives are saying, or they did watch the episodes and are purposefully simplifying the events to suit their narrative - Not sure which is worse :P
I believe the original definition of “filler” was an episode that never happened in the original source material. While we didn’t see all this happen in the game, we did hear about it and the show expanded on what happened in the game. So it’s not really filler by the original definition. Although I do agree it does seem like filler by the modern definition since Bill and Joel never interact in this version. I wish that we kept this episode but Bill survives, and then there’s another episode with Bill, Joel and Ellie like in the game
I'm not talking about his hearing loss, I'm talking about the wound on the side of his head. In episode 3, Ellie asks him how he got it, and he tells her that a guy shot and missed. Whether any of his hearing loss is attributed to his wound isn't entirely clear (I would wager that it was years of shooting that really wore it down and that's something he alludes to at the end of episode 4), but it wouldn't matter either way because in episode 9, they were not talking about his hearing, they were talking about the wound on his head - Ellie asked him why he needed medical attention, and Joel reminds her of the wound. Something that viewers are only aware of if they watched episode 3, since it is never brought up again til the last episode.
I still saw people complain about the “brownwashed” casting. So fucking stupid. Like, Sarah is a minor character and Pedro looks just like Joel, it’s so insane how trivial that shit should be even by their own fuckheaded standards.
It's not just that he is, conservatives largely regard hispanics as white people since ten percent of the people who identify as white are in fact of hispanic heritage.
Episode 3 reminded me of a quote from an other great post apocalyptic show : Station Eleven "Survival is insufficient" When everything is gone, you need something, to make you move forward
I just started watching Station Eleven in my need to find something to fill the TLOU hole in my entertainment life. I’m about 4(?) episodes in and I enjoy most the characters, but it isn’t quite the sort of story I was hoping for. I did absolutely love the episode with Malaysia. They established Jeavan’s character so efficiently within the first few minutes of the show, I was all-in on seeing how a person like that copes and develops, and I like the young actress and her interactions with him. A friend who has similar story tastes to mine encouraged me to stick it out, so I’ll keep watching!
in regards to Jackson as a commune being a communism utopia- I don't know if that was Neil Drukmann's intention but in the episode how Maria described it, it very much sounded like a Kibbutz, which is an old Israeli settlement form which also ties to Drukmann's origin, tho he's not from a Kibbutz himself
Well, I just saw comment that Last of Us is flop because aparently not everybody watched it and give HBO like all money. Have fun trying to talk to that crowd.
@@johnjungkook2721 Seems like everything is woke Unless we're violently killing each other senselessly while calling each other slurs. That's the only way to not be woke anymore apparently haha.
„This thing is so bad, and it‘s not about the gay stuff in it or anything, it‘s just XYZ…“ I can‘t imagine they honestly think that anyone believes this phrase. That’s like a toddlers level of a lie. If it weren‘t about the gay stuff, then they wouldn‘t even mention the gay stuff and just bring forth their actual criticism.
Super serious men talking about how it was physically impossible for any woman to become buff in the apocalypse. They outed themselves for having not played or watched the game, it's almost like Neil knew this needed to be supported with the evidence of the fully stocked gyms, the meals, the protein available, and Abbeys drive to get buff.
Anti-SJWS: Don't make non-gay characters gay. Make original gay characters. Druckman: (Makes original gay characters_ Anti-SJWs: This is gay propaganda!
I do feel like some of the episodes could have had more infected like in the game (for example the tunnel full of infected towards the end of the game, would have been cool to see how ellie and joel dealt with that kind of situation in the show) and it felt somewhat rushed at times with only 9 episodes, but still a good show
I KNOW for a fact that in an alternate universe where Frank was a woman and Riley was a guy, conservatives would be praising the shit out of this show. They are utterly incapable of appreciating the artistic quality of any piece of media that includes gay stuff. The gay episodes are not filler, they are integral to the themes of the show. Bill's letter showed Joel that there is still hope in this world, that you can find purpose in protecting the people you love. It helped him reevaluate his worldview. Side note: the dumbest take i've heard is that Jackson is somehow not a communist society, because conservatives are incapable of imagining a functional communist society, even on a small scale. I also think the lack of zombies makes them more threatening. Since the game needs to have a lot of action, you're gonna fight plenty of zombies and you kinda get desensitized to it. But in the show, Joel and Tess struggle heavily against only 2 clickers. It would be unrealistic to constantly throw hordes of zombies at the characters, because they wouldn't survive. That's why when zombies do appear in the show, you know there is a real threat.
If Riley was a guy, he'd be seen as a paedophile grooming an under age girl. Ellie was just a 14 year old child and below the legal age of consent! But because she was an older girl, does that make it ok?
It’s crazy as a black person it’s super hard to get things. You usually have to be 2x as good just to be invalidated by saying it due to race. But if they only allowed white ppl to audition somehow they didn’t get the role due to their race. If Ariel was a red headed pale girl Boone would be concerned if she she had the acting and singing chopped because she was cased based on looks and not talent. It’s like whiteness is merit itself and being a poc is a blemish that needs to be overcompensate for but still visible. But when white ppl play black characters or if asked why theirs no representation in something instead of owning it and saying race is important to them like it is when they need one token they put down poc and say NONE of us have the merit for whatever it is. They sort of do the same thing with women but they say women ( white) have no interest in said thing not that they’re incapable.
with small populations and abundant resources/space, small communes that work together are simply the least complicated and most efficient way to run people. In larger societies where people have ambitions beyond "i dont want to die" it gets messy though
I think your particular interpretation of Joel at the end of the season really shows how different interpretations can spring up from an actor’s performance or from even how slightly different a story is presented. I’ve read from a lot of people who thought Joel saw Ellie as more of a substitute daughter in the first game and thought he was more fatherly and protective in the show. It’s really interesting to see the nuance in interpretation across the show and the game when they are, largely, the same story. To me it really shows just how wonderful the story is as many people can reach different conclusions based on textual evidence and slight nuanced differences within in the performances.
What's funny is that this is even something the OG actors, Druckmann, and Mazin argued over lmao. In the final episode podcast they all discuss their different interpretations of a few scenes and it's great. I particularly cracked up at Mazin's line of "wow! It's amazing how wrong you are!" I love the little subtleties
@@dragonsrule20201 That was such a great moment 😂 I love little tongue in cheek moments like that. These characters have so many dimensions and this story has so many layers that it’s completely understandable that people can walk away with different interpretations.
The complaint about it not advancing the plot is funny to me, because it’s such a poor understanding of how a story is told. Shows have bottle episodes all the time. One of Breaking Bad’s best episodes is just Walt and Jesse trying to catch a fly.
Most of the people I know who enjoy this genre ( scifi/fantasy/paranormal/horror) like it because of the character driven stories & subtext ( social commentary) Zombie/post apocalyptic stories are usually just a frame work to explore deeper philosophical ideas around good/evil & the many facets of human nature/psychology. If you want a straight up action movie where the hero is unphased by violence & wins the girl by killing his opposition, you should probably watch a different series.
FYI, joel implies he tried to take the “easy” way out in the game as well. And the worse criticism I’ve seen is Bella Ramsay’s looks. I guess it gets in the way of conservatives sexual fantasies with a 14 YEAR OLD.
When yuh mentioned the casting of Sarah it just reminded me of the reactions of when the they casted an African actress to play as Annabeth in the new Percy Jackson series, and just like TLOU the person who wrote the books chose her. But some folk on the internet are saying things like “Uncle Rick only casted her so he wouldn’t get cancelled”.
not to mention Indonesian conservatives who are hooked up because the flashback of the whole fungi being set in Jakarta and got malding because Bill and Frank's gay relationship.
People who complain about same-sex couples also complain about mixed race couples. Just let people be and accept that there’s different people than you are.
Kavernacle, I think you missed something in the first game. When Joel casually lied to Ellie at the end, it completely shook my view of him. I had thought of him as a father figure and protector to that point. By lying the way he did, I thought of him as a mass murderer who may have an unhealthy attachment to a girl who isn't his daughter, but he now sees as a substitute. If anything, I think Joel came off as more of a father/protector at the end of season 1, and potentially more evil in the game. I loved the ambiguity of the game's ending for that reason, and didn't 't want to see a sequel made. That being said, once I got past the loss of that ambiguity early in TLOU2, I found the game to have an amazing story. It had the added bonus of upsetting masses of people who I just like knowing are upset. Seeing season one irritate guys like Shapiro and Pool warms my heart. I can't wait for season 2 to upset them all over again.
2013 game was epic and the video game Joel was a killing machine. Pedro Pascal hurt maybe a dozen humans and infected? Maybe 1-2% of what video game Joel did? The point is I wish the TV show followed the story of video game Joel. Dude was a murder machine and the ending was so epic you see Joel for what he truly is
You knew how bad the story was from the game, but wanted more punishment so you watched the show? Wow, if I had known how terribly written the story was, I wouldn't have watched the show. Although, episode 3 is one of the best zombie stories I've seen. So I'm ok with the time I wasted watching the other 8 episodes. But I don't intend on watching any of season 2.
@@lilbroomstick7914 He would literally need to be a machine to kill the number of people and infected he did in the game. It was completely unrealistic and I'm glad they toned it down for the show. I've seen people complain that his killing spree at the end was showing skills he didn't have earlier, but I disagree. He clearly was having issues when he confided in Tommy, but once it came time to perform and it was life or death for Ellie, he flipped the switch and became the person Robert was afraid of in episode one. I have some minor issues with the show, but Joel not killing enough people isn't one of them.
I would love to see the ‘gay agendas’ manifesto because I didn’t get a copy. I’m a lesbian and it frustrates me that any time there’s a representation of me in media some people say it’s a political move and that there’s an ‘agenda’. Can guarantee they wouldn’t say anything if it was Bill and Francine or Ellie was straight. Really all they’re saying is that gay scenes makes them more squeamish than the Clickers. I grew up with no gay representation and guess what? I didn’t grow up straight. I personally loved the show although wasn’t sold with Bella and Pedro at first, but grew to love their dynamic and thought they worked so well together. ETA: about the ‘race swapping’, the actors did a great job. Honestly, I’d be pissed if the writing was shit, or the effects were shit, or the sets were shit, or the acting was shit… complaining about the colour of the actors skin is just ridiculous. Skin colour wasn’t (if I remember right) mentioned in the show, the characters just existed as they would in real life.
My main issue with this show was that it felt too short, the relationship Joel and Ellie needed more time to develop. The show really could have benefitted for three more episodes. I also thought that limiting and toning down the action scenes didn't do much to help the narrative. I get that they wanted to make it more realistic, but it largely just made the world seem less-threatening than it was in the game, which I feel undermined the whole theme of the setting being a dangerous fallen world that is on the brink of collapse.
is it just me or is American society going backwards?? im 30, growing up people would talk shit about gay people and be open and call gays F words all the time. as i got older i seen less and less of that as my peers matured, i moved to san diego when i was 24 and being gay was embraced! it got to the point where people would say gay only after looking around and whispering it like a racist says the N word. it was bad to be homophobic, recently however people are saying "i dont like the gay episodes " what happened we were doing good now we are going back to early 2000s homophobia!!??
@Marc Mielke I really don't like saying just cause you don't like a gay thing in media you're automatically homophbic but they were damn good episodes!!!! And that the gay part is the only critique??? Sorry but they are just bigots lol do better America
"We are literally communists - this is a commune" was probably the best and funniest political statement I've seen on TV in a long time. I don't think I've ever seen anyone on American television reference communism both directly and properly.
my favorite is when i came across a youtuber that thought the menstrual cup ellie got at jackson hole was actually contraception, meaning to them that jackson hole is a pedo commune. the youtuber is a woman
Imagine consuming media while being predisposed to hate on it. That's... Actually kind of sad, not being able to enjoy art, the parts that you like and the parts that you don't and all I'm pretty sure most of these charlatans don't actually believe most of the stuff that comes out of their mouths but they do have a strong influence on lots of young minds.
I mean...log onto the Reddit for any given show, game or form of entertainment. Odds are you'll find dozens of people who hate every last thing about it, but have still inexplicably been sticking with it for months or years.
I genuinely don’t understand why they don’t make and watch stuff that they want… they aren’t the target audience for any of this and they never were yet they seem to think they are the only opinion that matters when those of us who are genuinely fans and love the franchise greatly out way them…
Btw, the reason they incorporated the "hive connection" among infected was bc they were removing the games threat of inhaling spores, bc they couldn't have entire episodes with the characters all wearing gas masks (which is a lesson Pedro said he knows too well from doing his part in the Mandalorian (which I've never seen) Also interesting is something Druckman said in the ep 8 or ep 9 podcast- that they were so excited when Mazin brainstormed this hive connection among the infected that they've been thinking about how to incorporate that hive threat into a future release of the game. Also, in the podcast they've hinted that this 'hive mind of all of the infected' aspect will play an important roll in the next season of the show...
I liked seeing that concept in the show. I’m fascinated that one of the planet’s largest living entities is a fungus that has spread underground and sends up shoots over a broad region (as in several US states).
i haven't watched the show, but knowing the current zeitgeist, they're just upset that things they don't like are on the screen and the show is basically saying "look! that's a thing that exists"
28:04 in the context of post-apocalypse, Randism would result in a series of horrifying feudal dictatorships where, in the absence of law and demo, the people with power and ambition would own everything. And yet you know there would be people arguing in favour of this.
The hate for Bill and Riley's episodes automatically becomes homophobic because The Walking Dead has way more filler episodes and has plots with characters falling in love that end up dying. It was a huge show that wasn't really about the zombies, and I've never seen the amount of hate that Last of Us gets.
My favourite part was where Joel turns to Ellie and said, "Have you ever been mistaken for a man?" And Ellie replied, "No. Have you?" That really brought a tear to my eye.
Enjoy all your videos and your thoughtful takes. I also found The Last of Us 2 to be the game that really drew me into the world. I wonder if they can even pull off the oppressive tone of the game in the series.
Considering I don't even get a sense from Season 1 that's it's remotely hard to survive a cross country trip through a massive zombie infested wasteland I'm going to say... "no"
@@futurestorytellerI think the budget next season is going to allow them to address the threat of the infected. I expect a way larger presence with part 2.
I like how in Jackson, the one town where things are better, one of the characters literally says "we're communists", almost looking at the fucking camera, and they still find a way to say the show is anti communist. I sure hope they stretched before doing those mental gymnastics.
"Why is there so much time spent on relationships and human connection?"
How to tell me you didn't play the game in one sentence
I think they always say that. Don't matter the situation.
It's also because it creates a compelling narrative and characters that the audience can relate to. Something Benny Shapino doesn't understand.
I love the deapth, but it was too much for a full 1.5 hour episode. While the series was missing many action set pieces. For example, the finale removes the tunnel flood sequence.
@@dogcatcher7041 how to tell me you don’t know how to make stories. Human connections is the main driving force for a good story.
@@dogcatcher7041 I was kinda hoping for the tunnel flood set piece in the final episode too, if only so we could have a brief shot of Joel pushing Ellie across some water on a wood palate.
The thing i hate the most is when people say left behind is filler when that is an INTEGERAL part of Ellies story
ESPECIALLY going into Part 2/season 2!!! So many people wonder why Ellie would be mad at Joel for 'saving' her and neglect to consider that she had connections to other people outside of Joel who she feels somewhat indebted to. "Left behind" "I'm still waiting on my turn" "it can't all be for nothing". Ellie and Joel are very similar but they also have very different motivators that are important to consider.
its inherently sexist imo
"No zombies getting shot in the face by big men with squinty eyes and gritting teeth? A relatively quiet and bittersweet story developing one of the two main protagonists and explaining how she found out about her most notable trait? Huh, must be filler."
@@Lemonincense definitely sexiest and homophobic
@@Lemonincense your opinion sucks.
Zombie movies and shows aren't really about zombies they are about how people deal with a crisis.
Most monster, sci-fi, and fantasy stories have a deeper social and political commentary.
True enough, though I feel like the fact that they were absent from so much of the show made the world feel that much less dangerous, which kind of undermines the whole theme of this being a dangerous fallen world that is on the brink of collapse.
Don't tell conservatives that the original Godzilla movie was about the dangers of nuclear warfare
"Why were the Fallout games not about the radioactive fallout itself? It's right there in the title! Why do they focus so much on people?"
--Conservatives probably
That would require conservatives to think for themselves. They don’t do that.
Okay...but there still need to be zombies. I think "there aren't enough zombies," on its own is a very good and simple critique of the show. Ellie's immunity loses its meaning in a world where they barely encounter danger from the infected.
No one understands what "filler" means.
Character development is not filler. Thematic elements are not filler. Emotional exploration is not filler.
These are all essential parts of STORYTELLING.
Also, stories that were in the original game itself aren’t filler
It was definitely filler. It's 99% not relevant to the main story.
@@spreadwuvokayIf "not relevant" means that the main character is a Protector who feels justified on going on a killing spree in the finale because people like his last friend on Earth told him that it's his purpose and he should be proud to do so is "not relevant."
Sure. Bill and Frank should not have been fleshed out so much that when Joel finally breaks down and cries for losing Tess, Frank, and Bill that we see how much he's lost and we appreciate how scared that makes him to lose Tommy and now Ellie.
They should have just explained it through the letter. *shrug* Who needs character development through seeing a story when you can just read a letter.
If these moments are filler then I guess the entirety of The Walking Dead is filler...
Anything without action sequences or fights is automatically called "filler"; people are dumb.
It must be exhausting being a conservative and spending so much time being enraged about pop culture.
"Pop culture is going woke... People are living their lives in ways that don't affect me... Teachers are teaching accurate history and science to our kids... Arrrggghhh!"
@@bilbobaggins9451 this is an accurate assessment and something we should ALL be aware of by this point tbh
@@bilbobaggins9451 sure but we don't need to get through to ourselves. We know all this shit. We need to get through to the people who are fall into this trap. And if we aren't aware of how it works, we probably won't be able to put a dent into their false consciousness.
@@bilbobaggins9451 Some people think that any minorities having power or representation oppresses the majority. I think they think that with more representation, the more normalizes it becomes, thus the less power the majority holds over the culture and systems of beliefs. I really think that's why they care so much, but it's not like there's tons of other pieces of media that doesn't have a lot of diversity or radical views.
SO EXHAUSTING
Tim Pool's point about Harry Potter not having romance in it is hilarious, they literally made the 6th movie 50% a teen romantic comedy.
The romantic moments in Harry Potter movies are subtle, but they are pretty sweet.
Edit: Maybe subtle isn't the right word due to missing out some scenes, but there are plenty of romantic moments happen in Harry Potter right in under the mistletoe. I'd say that Harry and Cho Chang's kiss scene and Hermoine and Ron's chemistry are pretty sweet.
@@poweroffriendship2.0 so… it’s pointless.
@@poweroffriendship2.0 Subtle like hermoine and ron kissing? Infact their whole growing romance, Cho Chang, Or the werewolf and the morphing lady?
I thought my memory was failing me for a second, I recall the one with the cup tournament being overtly sexual
@@chibbykill yup, Hermoine sticking her straight sexuality in all our faces in that dress for the ball, it was sickening! Children watched it and were exposed to sexuality!
Hmm, Conservatives claim this show went woke, yet it failed to go broke. Curious.
Right they never talk about how a lot of things go broke and have gone broke since the beginning of time.
Imagine being gay....🤮🤮🤮
I also love how the counterargument, "Go fash, no cash," is gaining ground over their slogan.
Same.shit different media
Some on the right actually have called for congressional investigations of HBO for TLOU...
When they started saying banks failing was due to wokeness they outed themselves to literally everybody as completely unserious lunatics
Or fake fan like TMNT
You just don't understand how bad it's gotten. I had to change my tire last week cuz of this woke-ass nail in the road!
Are you joking. They outed themselves so long ago and through such obvious buffoonery that now we know there's no level of "outing" oneself that will have any sort of impact the way "outing" should.
what drives me crazy about U conservatives is the fact that as a person from northern europe I see how US could be sooo much better country to live ijn....it could be soo much better but it isnt cause conservatives are scared of communism:D as someone whos parents lived in soviet union its both frustrating and funny at the same time, its frustrating cause people have to suffer because of this but its funny because these far right conservatives have no idea what they are talking about when they talk about communism :D...flat earthers are also often far right conservatives :D they deny all the science basically :D it just amazes me when did these people get soo stupid :D
Literally everybody
“There aren’t really any sexual or romantic relationships in the first Harry Potter film.” Probably because the main characters were what, 11 or 12???
That's no obstacle to the far right.
Bold of you to assume conservatives aren't full of nonces.
You can still have romantic vibes, wtf are you talking about? It's as simple as one kid being uncomfortable around another. But with the Last of Us, we got an entire episode completely wasted on a little love story that no one cares to see. It IS important for Ellie's development, don't get me wrong but in no way did it need to use up the entire episode. It was just boring...
We already got an entire episode dedicated to people in episode 3. Yes, also gay but at least that was much better with execution. Still, that one also didn't need to focus the ENTIRE episode on the fact that two guys love each other. We barely got anything with the main characters at that point.
Except when Ron gets ha ha funny drugged with the date rape potion. Also all the kissing between teenagers.
Also the fact it’s for children and teenagers when the Last of Us makes no bones about it that it’s for an adult audience.
@@the1337contrarian you should probably go back to jacking it to ben shapiro videos. first of all, stating that the "entire episode [was] completely wasted on a little love story that no one cares to see" is a reach of enormous proportions, and you know it too. spending a total of 2 hours and 11 minutes throughout the entire show focusing on gay relationships is miniscule compared to the eons worth of content focused on heterosexual relationships in media. and also, how can 2 beautiful and heart-wrenching episodes about love and sacrifice that perfectly tie in to the show's themes about exploring human relationships in an apocalypse--no matter the sexual orientation--be something that you consider "unnecessary?" and not only that, your implication that gay people can only be written in popular media/tv shows if they're written with perfect execution is egregious. people like you give heterosexual characters the chance to be badly written, but when it comes to diversity it has to be done to your "standards." and let's be real here.. to you and people like you, it wouldn't matter even if the gay characters were well-executed and perfectly written. your problems do not lie with the writing of said characters, no matter how much you like to say so; your problems simply lie with the fact that gay characters exist and are allowed to have time allotted to fleshing out their stories rather than being a short cameo or an afterthought. not to mention how your interpretations and takeaways from both episodes 3 and 7 are completely off the mark (read: WRONG) because you're more focused on being homophobic than even attempting to put together a good-faith connection to the overall themes of the story. it's actually possible to have wrong opinions, and you're patient 0 in that epidemic for sure. seek healing
The agenda behind TloU episode 3 was that two people had separate skillsets that on their own are not valuable enough to complete what we societally revere as the "human experience." Bill was just surviving. And on his own, Frank didn't really have the skillset to survive for long. Together they built a life worth living.
The theme of this episode contributes to the larger point of the entire series, because the entire series is not about surviving a zombie apocalypse. It's about a traumatized man healing by rediscovering purpose in living. Joel, like Bill, could survive well. He's handy, capable, and knowledgeable, and sufficiently violent if it comes down to it, but he wasn't living for anything outside of a person's basic instinct to not die. That purpose was found in Ellie, and his purpose and newfound attachment to living to protect her was so strong that he made a pretty questionable choice at the end of the story in the name of protecting her at all cost.
Also, the romance between Bill and Frank felt more natural and passionate than a lot of hetero romantic relationships in media. A lot of times it feels forced.
Ron f*cking Swanson absolutely killed it
Reactionaries don't understand the concept of the parallel in storytelling. Like....episode 3 gave us not only a solid story, but a literal thesis statement of everything the next 6 episodes were going to be about. You'd have to TRY to miss that kind of thing honestly. It's astonishing
About that relationship. I was trying to imagine it played with a straight couple with Frank gender-swapped.
Wouldn’t it have kinda had a weird vibe if they hooked up in a similar way? Like Bill taking in a stranded woman, then they bond and sleep together over food and music? I dunno it would feel like someone was taking advantage of the other.
@@malekaius Speaking from my own experience of falling in love as a woman and from listening to my mother talk about her late first husband, the love of her life; Bill & Frank's relationship definitely maps onto hetero relationships quite well. That was the healthiest, purest form of genuine romantic chemistry and emotional devotion to each other I've ever witnessed on screen. There were about 3 moments that brought my partner and I to tears because we were just watching _us,_ and what our future together might look like.
I very rarely get invested in the romances in shows but my god, I was sobbing by the end of ep3. Such a beautiful, tender love and I really enjoyed a portrayal of gay men outside of cartoonist stereotypes
My favorite part of the trans hate with the second game is originally it wasn't actually directed at the trans character because they assumed Abby was trans purely because she was ripped
Believe it or not some of them still operate under this assumption
I mean a lot of them also think that Michelle Obama is secretly trans.
"We can always tell!" - transphobes, as their nose grows a few inches
@Alias Fakename the model the actor the actors child it is so childist
@Alias Fakename There are 2 models for Abby. One for her face and performance, and the other for her jackedness
My favorite part of Ben's ep 3 rant is where he whined about there being "gay sex scene(s)" in the episode, when there was ONE singular scene where two men were in bed naked together, kissing and talking. If that's what Ben thinks "sex" is, I'm not surprised he famously doesn't know women get wet.
Ben’s writers get a lot of their material scraping 4chan, and when Episode 3 came out the two points they were making there is that it was a “filler episode” and pretending that there was some extended explicit gay sex scene in it.
Shapiro's rant & Twitter self-own on WAP will never get old 🤣
They probably don't get wet with him.
Makes sense.
I know I saw Ben rant about it and that’s what made me decide to watch The Last of Us, so thanks Ben because it’s an incredible show. But the way he talked about the sex scene I thought it was going to be graphic, especially because HBO/Netflix/showtime shows can get away with that, but it was literally like the classiest sex scene I’ve seen on tv? He just hated it cause gay.
I've seen multiple people say the "gay sex" was too much and I'm just like... Where? Did I miss it? Do I need to rewatch it now? 🤔
Art always breaks the conservative mind; they are incredibly fragile cowards.
Leftists don’t create anything; they just steal and corrupt what’s already been created.
But they have insane amounts of money behind them.
Don’t act like the left’s shit doesn’t stink though. We’re all getting screwed by both sides.
Dictatorship always requires bonfires fed with books and paintings.
How boring it must be inside their unimaginative little minds
I’m really thankful for episode 3. My brother was closet homophobic. Not in an all out hateful, violent way. He just didn’t see gay people showing affection in public as “necessary”. And a couple of times he told me “people can be gay, as long as it’s away from me.” I’d shrug, and say “it’s just love”.
When he watched episode 3, he cried. And my brother never cries (abusive step dad and uncle, men-should-never-cry mentality). He said it was beautiful, and admitted that his previous views were wrong. And then honestly asked if something was wrong with him for having thought that way initially. He felt ashamed. I said “as long as you understand, now. It’s just love. That has to be fought for and continuously has lawmakers trying to ban, or worse.” His eyes went wide and he went into deep thought.
I know he’s forever changed now.
This is why stuff like episode three is so necessary in media. To show folks like your brother gay people are just people.
Remind him that in this universe, gay marriage was never made legal so Bill and Frank's private marriage ceremony is that much more powerful.
reading this changed my own brain chemistry:,) this makes me so hopeful
I'll give an even bigger one; everyone around the world watches this show as well, including in countries with the death penalty for gays. They all watched it and their reviewers addressed it. First, that puts a human face on gay people to these folks, they're no longer an evil abstract notion. Secondly, they're talking about it; this is the first time they hear that their opinion on this is not uncontroversial, they never heard a challenge. All the commentary is vile at first, but so was it in the most liberal countries at the start; forcing the conversation is jumpstarting progress, and it worked. Every American should be proud that their culture is actually accomplishing that; it's too big for any words to describe.
U turned ur bro woke. Shame on you. 😅
Love how Shapiro’s point about it being an episode of a zombie show with no zombies fell apart as the series went on, and we got to see that *most* of the episodes had no “zombies.” Because that’s not actually what the show was about. The title wasn’t “Walking Dead,” “Dawn of the Dead,” “Army of the Dead,” etc. It was “The Last of Us.” It was about people.
Even The Walking Dead isn't about the zombies.
It's also worth noting that there were many episodes of the walking dead, especially in later seasons, where the focus wasn't on any zombies (though they may have appeared, it wasn't for the plot, just aesthetic reasons). There were plenty of character building episodes in TWD. Nobody complained then that I saw.
If this is how they react after just one season, they’re going to blow a gasket for season 2.
The Owen and Abby sex scene there minds will break lol
Hope ring of power s2 get better writing because they'll jumping to hate that it would be better if it backfire on them
@@ryans413 If the show runners keep her accurate to the game, Conservatives' brains are gonna break just from SEEING Abby.
@@5TailFox if they do. No one's gonna watch. Last of us works because part 1 is acclaimed. 2 is known for cutting its own audience down the center with bad choices.
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“Why gay guys in tv show ☹️”
That’s literally all this is. They’re reactionaries, they’re using tactics straight out of the 70’s, 80’s, and 90’s.
@@MichaelClayton-uk2ub Nah
@@MrThatGuy97 Yes it is, if you are denying this, then you clearly haven't read the Holy Bible.
@@MichaelClayton-uk2ub Nah
@@MichaelClayton-uk2ub Nah
@@charisma-hornum-fries You're going to burn in hell then.
There were also people complaining about Joel's heart wrenching conversation with Tommy in episode 6 because he cried and had a moment of 'emotional weakness'. That was such a painful and humanizing moment for the character, but there are apparently some people out there who were mad he wasn't an unemotional übermensch the whole way through like, well, an immortal video game character with multiple lives. I appreciated how the TV version of Joel was notably worn down by years of violence and survival, both physically and mentally. You could really see how he bottled all of his pain up in front of Ellie and that moment with Tommy was the first time in years he'd let himself be vulnerable with someone.
It was definitely a surprise as someone so used to Troy's Joel, but it was a welcome one. I also think it added to Ellie and Joel's relationship at the time. In the game, I got the impression that he wanted to hand her off to Tommy because he was still in hard-core repression, and wanted to avoid a full attachment. It made me think it was more of a "if she dies, I don't want to see it/be responsible." In the show, it's obvious he's already attached and is instead scared of failing her. Moreso "I can't handle it if she dies, and I know I can't ensure her safety." Of course, both versions come to their senses fairly quickly, but I really appreciate the show's approach. This franchise is about love, after all, not being a macho tough-guy.
"I hate the show not for the gay stuff but that's going to be the only thing I complain about or if I'm feeling spicy the Communism."
There's all the conservative takes saved you an afternoon.
Thank you.
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The best dumb take I encountered when it comes to the commune is, “Ha! Communism would only work in the apocalypse? Losers!”
And it’s like, yeah. Capitalism didn’t survive the apocalypse, so by their own logic communism is indeed superior and the longer lasting model of society.
Thanks!
@@Scallycowell Especially when you compare and contrast the Fedra city still using Capitalism, the Fedra free city being run by a dictator, and the Communist commune in the mountain.
Remember, Shapiro is a FAILED screenwriter....his review track for his knowledge and critical thinking skill toward cinema
No wonder why he’s on his crap he’s Bitter
What backlash? It’s literally the most successful show on HBO of all time and up there with one of the best shows period. They are pulling at straws and they know “I just didn’t think it was all that great”, “it was a filler episode” just shows you how brain broken these people are when they can’t even analyze themes the show is broadcasting with a light bright enough to cast X-rays.
They live in an alternative reality, or really I should say their listeners do. These grifters know that their audience won’t actually bother looking up anything they say and that give them free range to say pretty much anything
Yeah it’s insane to call it a filler episode when it ends with a character reading aloud a letter which says “THIS IS WHY THE STORY WE JUST TOLD IS RELEVANT”. They had a safety net in case the audience was too stupid to get it and these people failed that too.
@@videogamenostalgia Never underestimate the stupidity of conservatives.
@@daemonhoundofkhorne834 oh stop with the pearl clutching, these people don’t give a shit about the show nor do they care if it’s actually any good, if it has a minority or doesn’t show men as being dominant then it’s propaganda and wrong.
@@daemonhoundofkhorne834 Not liking it for reasons other than “wokeness” is not what’s being criticized here.
Conservatives: everything that makes me feel uncomfortable is woke. Like empathy.
Anti-SJW content is like peering into a pergatory void stuck in 2018. Nothing ever changes. Everything is always the same other than the piece of media or person or unnamable target to throw the same points at.
Yeah. They must be stucked in the mid to late 2010s where outrage becomes a selling point on the Internet, but by the time they become downhill and the outrage slowly fades away, they are getting desperate.
But it is alarming how popular this Anti-SJW in 2023. Almost every major social media is taken over by them. Leftwing Youtbers get couple of thousand views on their videos while these rightwing/anti woke/Conservatives gets millions.
Just compare the most popular leftwinger vs a rightwinger on youtbe. it is alarming. Most people on the left focus on policy and the right on "woke"
Back when they could still plausibly claim that abortion wouldn't be banned and that leftists were all just being paranoid.
Fuck these people. I'm back in my metal phase, personally ;p
For me, it feels like the 90s all over again 🙄
They haven't moved on since GamerGate
the word woke is just noise now.
Literally
Fox News already blamed the Silicon bank crash on "woke" banks. Its just a filler word for them at this point.
I actually love the word because it's become a great bullshit detector. Whenever I hear a person start talking about "wokeness" I already know that they're full of shit
There have been a few times I try to genuinely ask conservatives in online comments sections what "woke" means to them, and they never provide an answer. They just make some obnoxious joke like "you a liberal cuck herp derp" and that's it. These people don't have minds of their own, their brains are just memes and talking points that Shapiro told them.
That's the intent. If words have meaning, they'd have to watch which ones they use.
I saw a right-wing critic saying it took the collapse of society for socialism to rise in this series, something among these lines. I don't think they realize how much of a self-own it is.
They don’t realize that literally the only thing stopping communism is the extremely predatory ways of capitalism and the powerhouses behind it. If the evil empire that is the US current government goes down, communism wins.
The funny thing is, with how capitalism is commiting seppuku RIGHT NOW with banks and economics world wide suffering with the greed of ultra neaoliberalism/capitalism, we're going exactly there...we either find a new model for society, or that fall is coming faster and faster....
Mentioning Communism in the show as a society that works was in instant fist pump for me. Specifically because I know my brother in law (watching the show) get's furious about communism/socialism.
It was a massive victory having an american show depicting communism in a positive light.
I loved that too, I think it probably annoyed conservatives even more than the LGBTQ representation lol
The funniest part in the entire show is Tommy's face when his wife says "It's a commune, we're communists". His blank "what have I become" face will never be not funny. It's even funnier that it's just a commune, not actual communism, but conservatives get triggered by that word. Americans have been told "commies bad" for decades and have no idea what it actually is, just that "it's bad".
I kinda just saw it as a joke. Like “hehe, we’re communists!” I didn’t think it was that deep.
@@viridianacortes9642 I think it's definitely a joke, but most americans have such a poor grasp on politics they don't understand that commune and communism aren't the same. I don't really blame them that much considering they've been told "communism is evil" since birth.
It's not deep, conservatives are just triggered
It's not a communism vs capitalism thing in the show. It's that a small town with 300 people who have no trade need to rely on each other, so of course a commune works in this setting.
I think you missed the point of Joel opening up to Ellie. He wasn't trying to replace her dead daughter, but he was avoiding having to feel attached to someone who couldn't defend by herself, that's why he only relied on Tess. When Ellie nearly gets raped by the cannibal guy, she almost had a mental breakdown. So Joel, knowing the horrible thing she went through, tries to take her out of that dark pit and actually opens up and bring his daughter to the conversation as a topic. There's two arches to the story, Joel learns how to become vulnerable again, while Ellie learns how to trust in someone who cares for her
Also the reason Ellie's vibe was more awkward in the end is because she doesn't believe him and she's working up the courage to confront him. So she's not really paying attention to him. We've all been in that situation where we want to say something we are afriad to say, so we can't concentrate on anything else. It was so much more realistic. Ellie is smart. She's not just gonna buy a story like that and go on a hike and forget all about it - but then at the end of the hike bring it up.
I don't see how you think this explains the discrepency Kav thought he saw between the game and the show. Ellie is clearly doing the same thing in the game, he just thinks she seems more at peace with it, like she's already decided she's goint to trust what he says even if he's obviously lying to her.
She's also suffering from PTSD
I saw so many conservative commenters compare episode 3 to Brokeback Mountain and all I can say is that it shows exactly why representation is needed. The episode was nothing like Brokeback Mountain. Their scope is so limited they don't know a single other example of a non-hetero romance story in film or TV
It's also hilarious because Brokeback Mountain is a solid movie that made $178million on a $14million budget.
It's likely not one of them really watched it they were just told about it and they were told what to think about it and that's why their comparison is so bad
They keep saying that the market is niche for Queer stories as if straight people will burst into flames if they watch anything gay.
Also, the characters in Brokeback Mountain being gay was important to the story.
Bill and Frank being gay in Episode 3 was barely touched upon. Surely a gay romance that doesn’t make a big deal out of their sexuality is the “least woke” way to approach it?
Hell, just last night I was looking through new movies and one of the most recent was about someone running away with their friend's older brother.
Are all the reactionary lunatics gone? Good. It was about two guys. The rage over a movie they will never watch can be heard from here, and the website I was using is in Afghanistan.
It’s hilarious (and sad) at this point how much they conform with each other with the exact same opinion. It’s also hilarious how they cannot accept any art that doesn’t reflect their narrow worldview while we can still enjoy films that they creepily worship. (Top Gun: Maverick and Joker).
At least Joker was pretty fucking good. Don't know about TP:M though and I'll never find out because I don't care about war propaganda.
The projection is real. They say they're all free thinkers with such radical and amazing ideas. But what they do is all act exactly the same as each other. Meanwhile, if they actually sat in leftist meetings they'd see all we do is bicker and compromise trying to draw all the lines we need to draw. WE'RE the radical free thinkers with amazing ideas; they wish they could be like us.
@@goosewithagibus likewise
At least one of which directly goes against their ideology in any sensible reading, but the creator himself doesn't seem to understand or otherwise care what he (I guess unintentionally?) made his movie about, so at least they have some credibility in the tropey "voice of God" way there.
@@goosewithagibus it's a decent film for what it is, the action scenes are well done, but overall you're not missing anything even if we ignore the propaganda.
This game was around 10 years old before the show dropped.
None of this is new.
All of this was said hundreds of times over before. The funny part, people are even more mad now.
*Good, cope and seethe.*
They not only made a good true to source adaptation, but did it so well it raised the bar for the standard of media adaptations.
I find it depressing, honestly. I mean it has been 10 years, and many of them act the same way as they did back then. Guess their problem really IS idealogical.
Ben showing us why he couldn't make it in Hollywood even with extreme nepotism...
Agreed. He honestly does not understand character development, sub-plot, character back story, etc. Its why his movies and fiction books are absolutley awful.
@PlutarchTheOligarch Ben: The show is terrible. Where's the zombies and violence and endless exposition to make me know everything, it makes me feel bored and disgusted 😒
Everyone: You feel? Guess what Ben, FACTS don't care about your FEELINGS!!
F maga F trump F the GOP
Don't forget he doesn't understand whodunnit Glass Onion either! Lmao
While I agree with how you discussed the criticism regarding the casting, I find it odd that you don't mention the amount abuse Bella Ramsey has got throughout this process and the calls to have them recast, ESPECIALLY as you said you were uncertain of their casting and never explained what your issue was Bella as Ellie. Some of the abuse aimed at them has been horrific and non-stop. I thought they were excellent throughout. Part of this discourse has been down to Bella's non-binary identity and how they are not "attractive" enough to play Ellie, so that should have been addressed.
I didn't really like Bella or Pedro, I guess I wished they looked more like they did in the show. Also Pedro's voice is kind of grating sometimes, it's like hank Hill neutrality. But they were okay mostly.
I thought Bella killed it tbh
Bella is non-binary?
I just like them even more now 😀
Loved them and Pedro in GoT so that definitely made me watch the Last of Us TV show (and also because the games got shit on by conservatives xD). I was not disappointed. It did so much stuff with my feelings it's a miracle I managed to not cry 😢
It's not a "zombie show" Ben. It's the backdrop of Ellie and Joel's story.
If people wanted to see stories about braindead monsters shambling around they'd probably like Ben Shapiro's writing.
Bill and Frank got the longest episode while the finale was 40 minutes long.
@@spreadwuvokay I'm sorry that you had to look at gay people.
@@spreadwuvokay so what
@SpreadWuv..ok? well, of course.
Episode 3 was the best episode, and the finale was horrible. So, it's good ep 3 was longer.
The zombie genre has always been a very human story, about people and how they cope with a catastrophe that changes the world. A lot of modern zombie movies and TV shows have moved away from that original intention, making them more standard action type movies, which is fine, but The Last of Us was really true to the spirit of the zombie genre.
Hear, hear
It's actually consistent enough for the most part that I don't even know what you're referring to. The Walking Dead was the most recent prominant zombie property, and it was, for better or worse, not _really_ action oriented.
Koreans made Kingdom and All of Us are Dead, which have a lot of social commentary. I guess you're talking about Army of the Dead? Or maybe Zombieland? The World War Z movie that was a huge massive box office smash hit that completely and utterly ruined the source material? But like... at least the first two are very character focused, they're still kinda about the struggles of humanity, in a general sense.
@@futurestoryteller Yeah I was thinking of Zombieland, Army of the Dead, and World War Z primarily. And god the latter was such a good book, it's frustrating what they did with the movie.
@@angiep2229 The kind of adaptation that makes you want to chew glass
Fear the walking dead is a good example of "zombies as backdrop". Romero's book (highly recommend it) basically used the zombies as a backdrop for ecological arguments alongside human stories.
I love the new stuff they added on the show and really enjoyed how they hired the Voice actors. I wished it was 10 EPISODES. Hopefully season 2 is just as good.
Anna was everything
VAs need more recognition.
What they did with Ashley Johnson was so good. I liked Troy as well.
It's fun to watch this show's INSANE success breaking those tiny, tiny brains. 😁
I also love the pathetic, insincere argument that ep 3 has "nothing to do" with the greater story, COMPLETELY ignoring the fact Bill and Frank's relationship mirrors Ellie and Joel's, motivates Joel, contributes to world-building, and demonstrates how someone could live their "best life" EVEN post outbreak, clearly establishing the stakes of the show. But nevermind that since some people just hate the idea of two dudes kissing! LMFAO.
One way to look at it is that Bill and Frank respect each others' separate but mutual decision to die and Ellie kills her best friend after professing her undying affection because it's pointless otherwise. They all demonstrate a power to show love through the acceptance of death as inevitable or necessary and Joel... doesn't do that...
@@futurestoryteller ...and gets quasi-sanctified by conservative "fans" for it *SPOILER* who then lose their collective marbles when the inevitable consequences of his selfish an treacherous actions catch up with him. Which is really just storytelling 101.
@@KomradeKrusher Last of Us Part II is an amazing story told well
@@futurestoryteller "Storytelling 101" was not meant to belittle TLOU2's story, but to emphasize that "consequences having actions" and "protagonists paying for their bad decisions" is a standard storytelling device and practically always has been and how ridiculous it is for conservatives to blow a gasket over it. Then again, they don't understand that principle in actual, real life, either, so....
@@KomradeKrusher Of course they don't, because conservatives and their ideology is all about being the MAIN CHARACTER, it's the reason they get strong reactions out of ANYTHING that doesn't centre them as the most important, special, best group EVER.
In short conservatism is just masked Narcissism
Watching the ex gamergate crowd move on to making their entire personality about hating TLOU2 was a fun time. I think they were more mad about a woman having muscles than I have ever been about anything
The stupidest criticism I’ve seeing given to a game was the whole “Fat Thor” Controversy for GOW: Ragnarok. People lost their minds and saying they were making Thor “woke” before the game even came out. Turns out Thor had a great story arc in GOW: Ragnarok. The moral of the story, wait until things come out before criticizing them.
_"I love going on the message board and complained about the games that I've never played."_
~ Francis from Super Paper Mario
That defeats the purpose. Their goal is to poison the well so that people associate "bad" with "woke". So when they're preemptively telling their audience that X movie is bad, they know they'll think it's bad even if it isn't.
I mean, Thor in the original Norse mythology is fat anyway, so... wtf are they even crying about?
@@AD-dg3zz bold of you to assume those smoothbrains actually know what they’re talking about lmfao
This implies that they might've had a point to make if they'd played the game first, but what it actually proves is that their argument was invalid to start with
Imagine thinking zombie shows are about zombies
and there were zombies in the episode, they just were not the main focus.
Every zombie movie or shows always been about the people living in that world. It’s never about the zombies they are the backdrop for the story.
Zombies are pretty much in the same boat as disaster movies. So having those monsters as the main focus is like making a tsunami a main character or something.
@@Bob_games103 Well you see... His show known as the daily liar is about zombies. Zombies like benny, know less, matt wench, klandace owens etc etc... His show actually is about the zombies lol.
That part
I didn't take the end as Joel replacing Sarah with her, I think he genuinely tried to impress they are "two different kids", he makes sure that Ellie understands that is exactly what's NOT happening. I took the awkwardness more in the direction of " Wow Joel hasn't spoken this much in the whole time I've known him, he's avoiding to talk about what happened in the hospital" like he was talking so suspiciously much it very much felt like trying to distract her and she was catching onto it
I hated that they took out Joel's mad dash out of the hospital while holding Ellie. It's supposed to be a repeat of what happened with Sarah, except this time Joel actually succeeds. I wish they did more with that
If they’re pissy now, just wait until season two when a very muscular woman goes around beating up religious zealous for deadnaming her trans POC friend.
Man, episode 1 for season 2 is going to be the Part 2 launch all over again isn't it?
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Hmmmmm the salt would be delicious
There's a moment of canned dialogue during gameplay that made me very emotional, and I was disappointed to find out it was only partially scripted.
During the big WLF/Saraphite standoff I got spotted and the Wolves said "Abby's here, get that fucking traitor." and then later when the scars saw I was with Lev they go "Lilly's here kill the apostate!" and only after that line did Abby go
"Fucking TRY IT!"
The way it seemed like she was so much more invested in this other person's well being, rather than herself really touched me.
But alas, in subsequent playthroughs... she will respond that way to either line
They got broke by a show that's woke.
Thank you, I'm here all week.
*here
@@irrelevant_noob Thanks.
The Right: Just write compelling new gay characters
Also The Right: OMG WHAT'S WITH THESE GAY CHARACTER STORYLINES, I DON'T WANT TO SEE THAT!?
Damned if you do, damned if you don't. There is no pleasing these conservatives. For everyone's sanity, it's best to pay no attention to them and just make the great works that we want to see.
I wish they wrote compelling gay characters in a compelling gay story. It was filler that took away time from the plot. If the show didn't spend so much time on two characters who were gonna die that same episode then maybe the show wouldn't feel so rushed most of the time.
@@spreadwuvokay it was beautifully written. You just don’t like gay people. Nobody is falling for your bullshit dude.
@@spreadwuvokay So you’re going to like Ellie and Dina’s relationship in the Part II adaptation?
@Ben Wasserman Ellie and Dinas relationship in the game wasn't well written or compelling. But none of that game really was imo so. Show might do it justice though we'll see.
I was drinking some coffee yesterday and it was brown, so woke.
I made fried chicken today, and it turned golden brown, woke.
I went outside after a rainy day, I saw a rainbow. The outside is woke.
This reminds me, on a lesser level, of how much hate Ted Lasso got in season 2. A lot of fans of season 1 were really angry that the "sports" got less focus in season 2, when realistically for any TV show, is when they start to really develop the characters. These people were mad that the show delved into the personal lives of the characters, which is what a real fan of a show wants... but they didn't like it because it dealt with "feelings" and "lady business" and whatnot. Bigots are all different, but they're all the same. And they're bozos.
This is something I don't understand, the best thing about Ted Lasso is the characters and the relationships and seeing this team build it so that they can perform better.
Because they're too dumb to follow. They just want big muscle guys with big guns and give a couple catchphrases so they can master bate to it while crying how they wish they were as manly as the character.
Yeah, it isn’t really a sports show. It’s a dramedy with a football club background. My brother and dad who love football told me how inaccurate the show is to actual football anyway but they love the show because it isn’t about football
I just imagine you as a 70 year old woman in a leather jacket chain smoking outside of a malt shop and talking to a bunch of reporters.
Hey Marge, give us the scoop
Those guys are all bozos, idiots in matching backwards slacks
Straight couple: it’s a story
Gay couple: it’s an agenda
Funny shit man
First.
Also I can't believe the whole lgbtq thing is treated new still among people who did play TLOU YEARS ago.
I will say though, LGBTQ representation even in the original tlou release back in early 2010s is still minimal or under-represented because the era then is different. It's a good thing Ellie's early relationship with Riley in the DLC is there. And the devs confirmed so many times both Ellie and the guy in the ghost town (forgot his name) are gays.
I will admit, I am looking forward to seeing how people who haven't played TLOU2 will react to what happens for the show. Will there be a dip in viewership?
I wonder if it will be early like in the game or if they will drag it out for the fear of what you said.
@@SuperJJParker Well I think it's been confirmed Part 2 will span multiple seasons. So we could possibly see the flashback moments integrated first before we see the start of the game.
Neil already confirmed they are working on changing some stuff that happens in part 2
@@ryans413 Yeah... not that, bro.
I really think a dip in viewership is unavoidable. I was actually surprised when people were all excited about big deaths constantly happening on Game of Thrones, but they were hardly happy with it forever, and the show had a huge cast. Last of Us' cast is extremely limited
Look at the sales of the first game compared to the second. (First game sold 6 million in the first 12 months) The second outsold the first. Just that they keep on re-releasing the OG game. So there was never a drop in players. Many people own multiple copies of the first game.
But the tv audience will be fine. They just need someone amazing for Abby
I doubt a quarter of the conservatives even watch what they are crying about.
@@Jan-ck9zw You think that an infamously dying industry is taking longshots to make an ideological stand in a capitalist society, and not because, actually it's not a longshot, it just doesn't always work all the time - you know - like all things that ever.
Imagine thinking, in the modern day, that every pilot with a gay character that didn't get picked up amounted to evidence that gay people don't really watch or appreciate TV.
That's you. This is what you sound like.
I’m shocked to find out that a failed screen writer doesn’t understand screen writing. Lookin’ at you, Benji
Conservatives whenever they see media that’s not 100% white and 100% straight - “This is woke propaganda”
What I love about this is that the TV show faithfully - for the most part - follows the game. Which was published in 2013. Long before the word 'woke' meant anything other than the past tense of waking up.
In the game, Bill was always gay. The relationship between Bill and Frank was always a part of the game. Always.
In the game, Ellie was always gay. It was made obvious in the DLC, published in 2014.
The characters being gay was never just a tack-on for 'wokeness' sake. It was always an integral party of the characters.
Woke has been slang in the black community for 100 years…
@@jasminewilliams1673 Huh. I didn't know that. Thanks for the correction - I just assumed that conservatives were COMPLETELY full of sh#t.
But it makes sense. 'Political correctness' used to have a specific meaning, stemming from Russian necessity that 'facts' needed to adhere to Party doctrine rather than reality. In the 80's and 90's, the term 'political correctness' (shortened to PC) was co-opted by conservatives to mean 'anything a liberal says.'
Now we see the same thing in the term 'woke.' According to what I read, 'woke' specifically refers to awareness of social and economic injustice perpetrated against African Americans. Now, the term has been co-opted by conservatives to mean 'anything a liberal says.'
Because NOTHING in 'Last of Us,' game or TV series, has anything to do with social or economic injustice perpetrated against African Americans, or anyone else for that matter. The most it does is indicate that, well, gay people exist. Which, lets face it, ranks on my 'no shit, Sherlock' list just under the fact that you need to unzip your pants before taking a leak.
Thanks again! :)
@@martinholt8168 a modern example would be like childish gambinos “stay woke” but yes it’s very old slang that unfortunately the zeitgeist has absolutely ruined. Enjoy ur vids!
Backstory episodes tend to be my favorite in any series. We get the origin of characters trauma, ideologies, etc and they are often the most emotional episodes.
I heard once that good stories involving an apocalypse do well because they prioritise what remains when human cruelty is at the forefront.
Things like love, connection, understanding, loyalty etc... Joel and Ellie building their Father / Daughter relationship, or Bill and Frank's romantic one as examples.
Usually, the stories that don't do so well are the ones that only focus on how terrible an apocalypse could be.
(There are great apocalypse stories that don't follow this, sometimes even prioritising the inverse. But in general...)
You could maybe call episode 3 filler but it's still a beautiful episode and well worth watching. Episode 7 is not filler in any way. It is a very critical backstory to Ellie
It's understandable but I would argue that it's not a filler episode, at least not if you're looking to actually make sense of the whole story. In episode 9, Joel talks about how he was the guy that shot and missed, referring to the wound on his head - This wound wasn't mentioned until episode 3. Meaning that, for those that thought skipping episode 3 was a good idea, this conversation comes out of nowhere and lacks context. This scene is supposed to demonstrate how Joel has grown closer to Ellie that he is now willing to elaborate on something like that, and mentioning it earlier on in the show clearly shows that progression.
That's not even mentioning Bill and Frank's parallel to Joel and Ellie, how Bill and Frank serve as the positive example of romance compared to the negative example shown within Joel and Tess, the foreshadowing of Joel's final choice, and the more practical events of simply getting a truck, ammo, clothes etc.
Episode 7 also has fairly important context besides just providing vital backstory for Ellie - This is the episode that most overtly alludes to the fact that the Fireflies are not the good guys that we are expecting them to be. In this episode, both Fedra and the Fireflies are implied to be two sides of the same coin, using manipulation to maintain power, playing on a need for connection to rope you in, and ultimately have you doing bad things for a "good cause."
It's what makes the conservatives categorisation of both episodes as simply "gay filler" so laughable to me xD Either they simply didn't watch the episodes and are just going off of what other fellow conservatives are saying, or they did watch the episodes and are purposefully simplifying the events to suit their narrative - Not sure which is worse :P
I believe the original definition of “filler” was an episode that never happened in the original source material. While we didn’t see all this happen in the game, we did hear about it and the show expanded on what happened in the game. So it’s not really filler by the original definition. Although I do agree it does seem like filler by the modern definition since Bill and Joel never interact in this version. I wish that we kept this episode but Bill survives, and then there’s another episode with Bill, Joel and Ellie like in the game
@CharlieWarlie His hearing loss is alluded to after episode 3 as well though. So episode 3 isn't needed for that context.
I'm not talking about his hearing loss, I'm talking about the wound on the side of his head. In episode 3, Ellie asks him how he got it, and he tells her that a guy shot and missed.
Whether any of his hearing loss is attributed to his wound isn't entirely clear (I would wager that it was years of shooting that really wore it down and that's something he alludes to at the end of episode 4), but it wouldn't matter either way because in episode 9, they were not talking about his hearing, they were talking about the wound on his head - Ellie asked him why he needed medical attention, and Joel reminds her of the wound. Something that viewers are only aware of if they watched episode 3, since it is never brought up again til the last episode.
@CharlieWarlie I'm pretty sure trying to commit suicide would also blow your ear drums out though.
Pedro Pascal breaking through toxic masculinity, mindless traditionalism, and dehumanization bit by bit is my favorite genre.
2013 video game Joel was more epic tho
@@lilbroomstick7914 big facts
It’s not just because Pedro has nerd cred. He’s also white passing.
I still saw people complain about the “brownwashed” casting. So fucking stupid.
Like, Sarah is a minor character and Pedro looks just like Joel, it’s so insane how trivial that shit should be even by their own fuckheaded standards.
Pedro is also a big LGBTQ+ ally. He's been supportive of a trans family member and supports broadly acceptance and rights for the queer community.
It's not just that he is, conservatives largely regard hispanics as white people since ten percent of the people who identify as white are in fact of hispanic heritage.
I love the mental gymnastics of conservatives have to go to get upset about a woke show.
Episode 3 reminded me of a quote from an other great post apocalyptic show : Station Eleven
"Survival is insufficient"
When everything is gone, you need something, to make you move forward
Station Eleven is so fucking good, im glad to see someone quote the show
@@dedalus6188 "To the Monsters, we're the Monsters"
I just started watching Station Eleven in my need to find something to fill the TLOU hole in my entertainment life. I’m about 4(?) episodes in and I enjoy most the characters, but it isn’t quite the sort of story I was hoping for. I did absolutely love the episode with Malaysia.
They established Jeavan’s character so efficiently within the first few minutes of the show, I was all-in on seeing how a person like that copes and develops, and I like the young actress and her interactions with him.
A friend who has similar story tastes to mine encouraged me to stick it out, so I’ll keep watching!
in regards to Jackson as a commune being a communism utopia- I don't know if that was Neil Drukmann's intention but in the episode how Maria described it, it very much sounded like a Kibbutz, which is an old Israeli settlement form which also ties to Drukmann's origin, tho he's not from a Kibbutz himself
“I hope they don’t make her ugly/Sarah being perfect is literally her selling point…” UHM
Thank you! That shit was SO DISTURBING I don't know how no one else mentioned it 😭
I hope lefty internet has fun weaponizing the viewing figures to kill the "go woke go broke" meme
It rhymes. Those who have the mentality of small children love phrases that rhyme.
the show didn't even "go woke" mate, the source material was already woke from the start
Well, I just saw comment that Last of Us is flop because aparently not everybody watched it and give HBO like all money. Have fun trying to talk to that crowd.
@@johnjungkook2721 Seems like everything is woke Unless we're violently killing each other senselessly while calling each other slurs. That's the only way to not be woke anymore apparently haha.
„This thing is so bad, and it‘s not about the gay stuff in it or anything, it‘s just XYZ…“
I can‘t imagine they honestly think that anyone believes this phrase. That’s like a toddlers level of a lie.
If it weren‘t about the gay stuff, then they wouldn‘t even mention the gay stuff and just bring forth their actual criticism.
These weirdos freaking out over Abby being muscular and strong was sad.
The anti-SJWs get no b**ches.
Super serious men talking about how it was physically impossible for any woman to become buff in the apocalypse. They outed themselves for having not played or watched the game, it's almost like Neil knew this needed to be supported with the evidence of the fully stocked gyms, the meals, the protein available, and Abbeys drive to get buff.
Because Abby was written and designed AS A MAN!!!
I didn't give an f about Abby being like that
What I hated about tlou2 was how it was structured. Made it feel to damn long. And Joel's writting
@@Akihito007 have you been outside?
Anti-SJWS: Don't make non-gay characters gay. Make original gay characters.
Druckman: (Makes original gay characters_
Anti-SJWs: This is gay propaganda!
I do feel like some of the episodes could have had more infected like in the game (for example the tunnel full of infected towards the end of the game, would have been cool to see how ellie and joel dealt with that kind of situation in the show) and it felt somewhat rushed at times with only 9 episodes, but still a good show
I KNOW for a fact that in an alternate universe where Frank was a woman and Riley was a guy, conservatives would be praising the shit out of this show. They are utterly incapable of appreciating the artistic quality of any piece of media that includes gay stuff.
The gay episodes are not filler, they are integral to the themes of the show. Bill's letter showed Joel that there is still hope in this world, that you can find purpose in protecting the people you love. It helped him reevaluate his worldview.
Side note: the dumbest take i've heard is that Jackson is somehow not a communist society, because conservatives are incapable of imagining a functional communist society, even on a small scale.
I also think the lack of zombies makes them more threatening. Since the game needs to have a lot of action, you're gonna fight plenty of zombies and you kinda get desensitized to it. But in the show, Joel and Tess struggle heavily against only 2 clickers. It would be unrealistic to constantly throw hordes of zombies at the characters, because they wouldn't survive. That's why when zombies do appear in the show, you know there is a real threat.
If Riley was a guy, he'd be seen as a paedophile grooming an under age girl. Ellie was just a 14 year old child and below the legal age of consent!
But because she was an older girl, does that make it ok?
Bella deserves nerd cred because she was also on GOT.
It’s crazy as a black person it’s super hard to get things. You usually have to be 2x as good just to be invalidated by saying it due to race. But if they only allowed white ppl to audition somehow they didn’t get the role due to their race. If Ariel was a red headed pale girl Boone would be concerned if she she had the acting and singing chopped because she was cased based on looks and not talent. It’s like whiteness is merit itself and being a poc is a blemish that needs to be overcompensate for but still visible. But when white ppl play black characters or if asked why theirs no representation in something instead of owning it and saying race is important to them like it is when they need one token they put down poc and say NONE of us have the merit for whatever it is. They sort of do the same thing with women but they say women ( white) have no interest in said thing not that they’re incapable.
with small populations and abundant resources/space, small communes that work together are simply the least complicated and most efficient way to run people. In larger societies where people have ambitions beyond "i dont want to die" it gets messy though
I think your particular interpretation of Joel at the end of the season really shows how different interpretations can spring up from an actor’s performance or from even how slightly different a story is presented. I’ve read from a lot of people who thought Joel saw Ellie as more of a substitute daughter in the first game and thought he was more fatherly and protective in the show. It’s really interesting to see the nuance in interpretation across the show and the game when they are, largely, the same story. To me it really shows just how wonderful the story is as many people can reach different conclusions based on textual evidence and slight nuanced differences within in the performances.
What's funny is that this is even something the OG actors, Druckmann, and Mazin argued over lmao. In the final episode podcast they all discuss their different interpretations of a few scenes and it's great. I particularly cracked up at Mazin's line of "wow! It's amazing how wrong you are!" I love the little subtleties
@@dragonsrule20201
That was such a great moment 😂 I love little tongue in cheek moments like that. These characters have so many dimensions and this story has so many layers that it’s completely understandable that people can walk away with different interpretations.
The complaint about it not advancing the plot is funny to me, because it’s such a poor understanding of how a story is told. Shows have bottle episodes all the time.
One of Breaking Bad’s best episodes is just Walt and Jesse trying to catch a fly.
Most of the people I know who enjoy this genre ( scifi/fantasy/paranormal/horror) like it because of the character driven stories & subtext ( social commentary) Zombie/post apocalyptic stories are usually just a frame work to explore deeper philosophical ideas around good/evil & the many facets of human nature/psychology. If you want a straight up action movie where the hero is unphased by violence & wins the girl by killing his opposition, you should probably watch a different series.
FYI, joel implies he tried to take the “easy” way out in the game as well. And the worse criticism I’ve seen is Bella Ramsay’s looks. I guess it gets in the way of conservatives sexual fantasies with a 14 YEAR OLD.
When yuh mentioned the casting of Sarah it just reminded me of the reactions of when the they casted an African actress to play as Annabeth in the new Percy Jackson series, and just like TLOU the person who wrote the books chose her. But some folk on the internet are saying things like “Uncle Rick only casted her so he wouldn’t get cancelled”.
"Bill writes Joel a letter stating -"
Cuts to ads.
"It is important to keep your dog free from fleas and worms."
Well, he's not wrong there. 😂😂😂
not to mention Indonesian conservatives who are hooked up because the flashback of the whole fungi being set in Jakarta and got malding because Bill and Frank's gay relationship.
lmao that shame
People who complain about same-sex couples also complain about mixed race couples. Just let people be and accept that there’s different people than you are.
Kavernacle, I think you missed something in the first game. When Joel casually lied to Ellie at the end, it completely shook my view of him. I had thought of him as a father figure and protector to that point. By lying the way he did, I thought of him as a mass murderer who may have an unhealthy attachment to a girl who isn't his daughter, but he now sees as a substitute. If anything, I think Joel came off as more of a father/protector at the end of season 1, and potentially more evil in the game. I loved the ambiguity of the game's ending for that reason, and didn't 't want to see a sequel made.
That being said, once I got past the loss of that ambiguity early in TLOU2, I found the game to have an amazing story. It had the added bonus of upsetting masses of people who I just like knowing are upset. Seeing season one irritate guys like Shapiro and Pool warms my heart. I can't wait for season 2 to upset them all over again.
2013 game was epic and the video game Joel was a killing machine. Pedro Pascal hurt maybe a dozen humans and infected? Maybe 1-2% of what video game Joel did? The point is I wish the TV show followed the story of video game Joel. Dude was a murder machine and the ending was so epic you see Joel for what he truly is
You knew how bad the story was from the game, but wanted more punishment so you watched the show?
Wow, if I had known how terribly written the story was, I wouldn't have watched the show.
Although, episode 3 is one of the best zombie stories I've seen. So I'm ok with the time I wasted watching the other 8 episodes. But I don't intend on watching any of season 2.
@@lilbroomstick7914 He would literally need to be a machine to kill the number of people and infected he did in the game. It was completely unrealistic and I'm glad they toned it down for the show. I've seen people complain that his killing spree at the end was showing skills he didn't have earlier, but I disagree. He clearly was having issues when he confided in Tommy, but once it came time to perform and it was life or death for Ellie, he flipped the switch and became the person Robert was afraid of in episode one. I have some minor issues with the show, but Joel not killing enough people isn't one of them.
I would love to see the ‘gay agendas’ manifesto because I didn’t get a copy. I’m a lesbian and it frustrates me that any time there’s a representation of me in media some people say it’s a political move and that there’s an ‘agenda’. Can guarantee they wouldn’t say anything if it was Bill and Francine or Ellie was straight. Really all they’re saying is that gay scenes makes them more squeamish than the Clickers.
I grew up with no gay representation and guess what? I didn’t grow up straight.
I personally loved the show although wasn’t sold with Bella and Pedro at first, but grew to love their dynamic and thought they worked so well together.
ETA: about the ‘race swapping’, the actors did a great job. Honestly, I’d be pissed if the writing was shit, or the effects were shit, or the sets were shit, or the acting was shit… complaining about the colour of the actors skin is just ridiculous. Skin colour wasn’t (if I remember right) mentioned in the show, the characters just existed as they would in real life.
Curious how I've watched STRAIGHT PROPAGANDA for years, yet I'm gay and more masculine than 90% of the men I meet.
My main issue with this show was that it felt too short, the relationship Joel and Ellie needed more time to develop. The show really could have benefitted for three more episodes. I also thought that limiting and toning down the action scenes didn't do much to help the narrative. I get that they wanted to make it more realistic, but it largely just made the world seem less-threatening than it was in the game, which I feel undermined the whole theme of the setting being a dangerous fallen world that is on the brink of collapse.
No
Well said.
This is really what most of the issues are with the show. Essentially not enough time spent in the world and with the two characters that matter most.
Yea I kinda wish they took it more slow. I know HBO usually doesn't have such long seasons but I kinda which season 1 was like 20 episodes
@@justsomeguy9280
Dude, the budget per episode was 10-15 million. Do you really think HBO is gonna fork out 200+ million?
The other important reason for the change to Bill and Frank's story was to make it a mirror to Henry and Sam's story
is it just me or is American society going backwards?? im 30, growing up people would talk shit about gay people and be open and call gays F words all the time. as i got older i seen less and less of that as my peers matured, i moved to san diego when i was 24 and being gay was embraced! it got to the point where people would say gay only after looking around and whispering it like a racist says the N word. it was bad to be homophobic, recently however people are saying "i dont like the gay episodes " what happened we were doing good now we are going back to early 2000s homophobia!!??
The ones who didn't like the gay episodes were homophobes, they didn't progress like the rest of us.
@Marc Mielke I really don't like saying just cause you don't like a gay thing in media you're automatically homophbic but they were damn good episodes!!!! And that the gay part is the only critique??? Sorry but they are just bigots lol do better America
people on the internet feel safe to say these things, so, they are way more vocal abt that than irl
"We are literally communists - this is a commune" was probably the best and funniest political statement I've seen on TV in a long time. I don't think I've ever seen anyone on American television reference communism both directly and properly.
Ben is just sad that Neil Druckmann managed to make a TV show and people watched it, but he (Ben) cannot
Benny wishes he was Druckmann : )
Ben Shapiro is the last person who should be giving advice on how to write a good story.
my favorite is when i came across a youtuber that thought the menstrual cup ellie got at jackson hole was actually contraception, meaning to them that jackson hole is a pedo commune.
the youtuber is a woman
Imagine consuming media while being predisposed to hate on it.
That's... Actually kind of sad, not being able to enjoy art, the parts that you like and the parts that you don't and all
I'm pretty sure most of these charlatans don't actually believe most of the stuff that comes out of their mouths but they do have a strong influence on lots of young minds.
I mean...log onto the Reddit for any given show, game or form of entertainment. Odds are you'll find dozens of people who hate every last thing about it, but have still inexplicably been sticking with it for months or years.
I genuinely don’t understand why they don’t make and watch stuff that they want… they aren’t the target audience for any of this and they never were yet they seem to think they are the only opinion that matters when those of us who are genuinely fans and love the franchise greatly out way them…
Btw, the reason they incorporated the "hive connection" among infected was bc they were removing the games threat of inhaling spores, bc they couldn't have entire episodes with the characters all wearing gas masks (which is a lesson Pedro said he knows too well from doing his part in the Mandalorian (which I've never seen)
Also interesting is something Druckman said in the ep 8 or ep 9 podcast- that they were so excited when Mazin brainstormed this hive connection among the infected that they've been thinking about how to incorporate that hive threat into a future release of the game.
Also, in the podcast they've hinted that this 'hive mind of all of the infected' aspect will play an important roll in the next season of the show...
you made me SO hyped for next season and game
I liked seeing that concept in the show. I’m fascinated that one of the planet’s largest living entities is a fungus that has spread underground and sends up shoots over a broad region (as in several US states).
i haven't watched the show, but knowing the current zeitgeist, they're just upset that things they don't like are on the screen and the show is basically saying "look! that's a thing that exists"
Even first zombie movies that "were about zombies" were actually about how right-winged ideas and capitalism refuses to die and outstays it's welcome
28:04 in the context of post-apocalypse, Randism would result in a series of horrifying feudal dictatorships where, in the absence of law and demo, the people with power and ambition would own everything. And yet you know there would be people arguing in favour of this.
I love how in the podcast the makers just laughed at the idea that episode 3 was filler.
The hate for Bill and Riley's episodes automatically becomes homophobic because The Walking Dead has way more filler episodes and has plots with characters falling in love that end up dying. It was a huge show that wasn't really about the zombies, and I've never seen the amount of hate that Last of Us gets.
My favourite part was where Joel turns to Ellie and said, "Have you ever been mistaken for a man?"
And Ellie replied, "No. Have you?"
That really brought a tear to my eye.
Or when David was screaming "Game Over, Man, Game Over!!!"
Jokes aside, I really like those two marines. They cared for each other.
@@freddogrosso9835 Bill and Frank?
@@krazyknva78 No, the characters in Aliens. Vazquez and the other big dude. Altough the reference is about Vazquez and Bill Paxton.
@@freddogrosso9835 I know, just messing with ya. And the big guy is Drake.
Enjoy all your videos and your thoughtful takes. I also found The Last of Us 2 to be the game that really drew me into the world. I wonder if they can even pull off the oppressive tone of the game in the series.
Considering I don't even get a sense from Season 1 that's it's remotely hard to survive a cross country trip through a massive zombie infested wasteland I'm going to say... "no"
@@futurestorytellerI think the budget next season is going to allow them to address the threat of the infected. I expect a way larger presence with part 2.
I like how in Jackson, the one town where things are better, one of the characters literally says "we're communists", almost looking at the fucking camera, and they still find a way to say the show is anti communist. I sure hope they stretched before doing those mental gymnastics.
God that was awesome haha
@@Lincoln_Bio I’m not even a leftist, but I loved that part