The Gift Card Scam

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  • Опубликовано: 26 окт 2024

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  • @themcmemes493
    @themcmemes493 2 года назад +4190

    Thank you for reminding me to use my unused gift cards.

    • @madlad25
      @madlad25 2 года назад +89

      I don't know if I have ever seen or considered giving a gift card as a gift to someone 😂

    • @ratuldeoun7228
      @ratuldeoun7228 2 года назад +51

      @@madlad25 It's better to ask them what they want or straight up give them cash.

    • @madlad25
      @madlad25 2 года назад +19

      @@ratuldeoun7228 nah man imagine you go to someone's house and you say yo what do you want as a gift or how much money want. Obviously before you buy em a gift

    • @walterhartwellwhite7516
      @walterhartwellwhite7516 Год назад +3

      Buying a giftcard is like millionares stuff for me

    • @Josh_SRT
      @Josh_SRT Год назад +1

      @@madlad25 My brother does and I love it

  • @ldotm9539
    @ldotm9539 2 года назад +2601

    Moral of the story:
    Just give your kid a 10 dollar bill.

    • @nenuu91iscool
      @nenuu91iscool 2 года назад +72

      You can't use those online

    • @clonescope2433
      @clonescope2433 2 года назад +18

      Unless you want to earmark it for something so say you want to give them money to buy school supplies and you can't be there with them buy them an Office Depot Office Max gift card or a Staples gift card.
      Or instead of giving little Timmy your credit card information to use on their online game Market by the gift card they can buy one two games or a couple in the game items.

    • @TheGreenYoutuber
      @TheGreenYoutuber 2 года назад +12

      @@nenuu91iscool You can buy a prepaid debit card

    • @nenuu91iscool
      @nenuu91iscool 2 года назад +11

      @@TheGreenRUclipsr alot of places are starting to decline prepaid, but you have a point

    • @TheGreenYoutuber
      @TheGreenYoutuber 2 года назад +1

      @@nenuu91iscool What are you talking about literally everywhere is still using debit cards

  • @christhompson279
    @christhompson279 2 года назад +1252

    You ain’t ever gonna catch my ass with even 1 cent left on a gift card, I use all of that shit.

  • @LieutenantMoss
    @LieutenantMoss Год назад +73

    When I get gift cards I be spending that thing in a literal nanosecond

    • @diddy6_9
      @diddy6_9 3 месяца назад

      i found an unused $50 XBOX GIFT CARD laying in my drawer as soon as i found it i used it

  • @dianarockwell6256
    @dianarockwell6256 2 года назад +10

    The stores do not have to claim the sale until the card is actually used. I heard that many years ago I’m not sure it’s still true but they can take the money from the sale and not have to report it until the card is used.

  • @brotherplayz8200
    @brotherplayz8200 6 месяцев назад +88

    Bro who even forgets to use their gift card💀

    • @mslatoyanicole85
      @mslatoyanicole85 3 месяца назад +3

      Fr

    • @Dev_2267
      @Dev_2267 3 месяца назад +8

      I am going on a journey to collect all those unused gift cards 🙂

    • @pkasra
      @pkasra 2 месяца назад +2

      store shelves

    • @anonymousman1282
      @anonymousman1282 Месяц назад

      i have no idea what these gift cards , super coins and vouchers even means. My mother has never used any of those.

    • @Josi785
      @Josi785 13 дней назад

      ​@@Dev_2267good luck

  • @summeryoung1026
    @summeryoung1026 2 года назад +205

    Sometimes in order to not fund someone's bad habits you have to get them gift cards to force them to use money in a specific way.

    • @davidtaylor9249
      @davidtaylor9249 Год назад +14

      Those people are selling the card.

    • @emiliaroberts6834
      @emiliaroberts6834 Год назад +2

      If you have unused gift card, I would like to buy them at a discount rate.

    • @ms.v3307
      @ms.v3307 Год назад +1

      Facts in my opinion ❤

    • @jamesmcluvlee
      @jamesmcluvlee Год назад

      Good point.

    • @lemonyskunkketts7781
      @lemonyskunkketts7781 10 месяцев назад +1

      Just buy your kid the groceries instead 😂 we all know teens buy drugs.

  • @jcbsrl
    @jcbsrl Год назад +7

    In Sweden gift cards usually have a 1 year expiration date (sometimes it is 2 or 3, 5 or even 10 year). So a gift card is the best sale you can do because a lot of times people will buy one and it will go unused, so the company gets all the money without paying taxes.

    • @Davees_Show
      @Davees_Show Год назад +2

      I buy unused Gift cards pls. I'll pay with Cash app

  • @jrs5054
    @jrs5054 Год назад +2

    I thought this was obvious, and no not everyone used them, I never used one. For the exact same reason.

  • @CivMicheals
    @CivMicheals 2 года назад +4

    But they can't keep track of them..... There making profit not only from the unused, but from the lost, the cut, the burned ones.

  • @asianati8879
    @asianati8879 Год назад +3

    Even the near impossibility to use all of it without going over. You have a $10 gift card, and due to some of the weird pricing, you always need to go over the $10 limit just to clear. Meaning you’re are forced to buy more.

  • @darthraider450
    @darthraider450 2 года назад +135

    If you organise your gift cards and take notes of the value and expiration dates, gift cards can be a good saving on purchases. In conjunction with cashback apps and survey apps, gift cards are a good option and I reckon that I've saved hundreds of pounds this year so far. But be aware that the company can reject them at any notice as per terms and conditions, and if the company goes in administration or liquidates then you lose the entire value of the gift card.

    • @bindingcurve
      @bindingcurve 2 года назад +2

      Ok, so you're feeding off a scam. LOVE IT. (not).

    • @michaelliu8887
      @michaelliu8887 2 года назад +10

      @@bindingcurve Huh. He's literally just taking advantage of gift cards.

    • @bindingcurve
      @bindingcurve 2 года назад +1

      @@michaelliu8887 Then go for it, don't advertise your "savings" from the marketing scammers.

    • @spiritual0129
      @spiritual0129 2 года назад +5

      But if every person in America buys a gift card....uses it....but has a balance of 18 cents (for example) at the end, then no one will likely use that last few cents and most likely throw it away. What can you buy with 18 cents? This is how they profit

    • @darthraider450
      @darthraider450 Год назад +3

      @@bindingcurve nope, I'm sorry you're unable to do a little organising and put in a little effort to make some big savings.

  • @jakedizzle
    @jakedizzle 10 месяцев назад +2

    They’re also a scam because you’re more likely than not going to buy more than what’s on the card. I hate them.

  • @kylas1902
    @kylas1902 Год назад +2

    Ive told anyone buying me a gift that id rather have a hand written note with cash, for years

  • @idkbro1429
    @idkbro1429 2 года назад +282

    "let me explain"
    *Noel Deyzel music starts playing

    • @jeremysantos4753
      @jeremysantos4753 2 года назад

      Basedddd

    • @jmurdaa1
      @jmurdaa1 Год назад

      millie bobby brown most beautiful women ever

    • @Keiko91101
      @Keiko91101 Год назад +2

      ​@@jmurdaa1virgin things 🤓

    • @_shvnks_
      @_shvnks_ Год назад

      Ahhh a cultured individual i see

    • @nine182
      @nine182 Год назад

      @@jmurdaa1You need to hit the gym and find a real woman bro 💀

  • @justinkaufman495
    @justinkaufman495 Год назад +2

    Not to mention there is always money on there that you could never spend... like 12 cents or something.

  • @chrisvega3433
    @chrisvega3433 2 года назад +3

    Gift cards are easily hacked, there’s a program online that automatically fishes for them. There are websites that sell gift cards for 10$ with 50$ worth of value

  • @carolineapodaca525
    @carolineapodaca525 2 года назад +9

    And that along with adding to plastic pollution is why I hate gifting them or getting them. Most states have laws that let you still use yours after the expiration date, make sure you know your areas it can help you use up every cent.

  • @KIT2142LAW
    @KIT2142LAW Год назад +3

    Why not just gift an envelope with some money? My parents always did this since I was like 8. "Happy Birthday, here's some money- go buy yourself whatever"

  • @MpcJ
    @MpcJ Год назад +2

    Also, people are getting they’re gift card funds stolen electronically without ever taking it out the package… scammers take pics of the back of card to use once someone loads money into them..

  • @frosty1297
    @frosty1297 Год назад +3

    I have collected about $270 worth of GameStop gift cards over all the holidays I've lived through and haven't spent single bit

    • @firstnamelastname7708
      @firstnamelastname7708 2 месяца назад +2

      My grandma gets me makeup gift cards every year, even though I’ve made it clear to her that I do not wear makeup, so I just have hundreds of dollars worth of makeup gift cards from her over the years. I’ve already given away several of them worth many hundreds. It sucks.

    • @coinbowl
      @coinbowl 2 месяца назад +1

      @@firstnamelastname7708I hope your grandma will givr cash instead in the future

  • @noodlesoup2586
    @noodlesoup2586 Год назад +2

    I’ve never understood the point of gift cards. Just give someone some cash instead.

    • @Yourlocalbuffoon
      @Yourlocalbuffoon 26 дней назад

      i use amazon gift cards instead of having my mom purchase things so uh yh

  • @jackscorner9155
    @jackscorner9155 2 года назад +30

    I see a few issues with this -
    1) It’s very common nowadays to sell/purchase gift cards at a heavy discount (10-20%) anywhere from your local grocery store to Target, Amazon even Office Depot sells them discounted. Meaning the company is already taking a loss on selling those.
    2) Gift Cards by law never expire, meaning you could use it in 5 years.
    I definitely don’t see them as a scam, but more of a win win. You get them at a discount and use them anytime you want. Now if they had a set expiration date then it’s a scam as it forces you to use it within a specific period.

    • @Tonyhu-dj3it
      @Tonyhu-dj3it Год назад

      I need a gift card and give you a satisfactory price.

    • @MushroomGod-go6qy
      @MushroomGod-go6qy 6 месяцев назад +1

      It's a gift and they informed you before they sold it to you,so it's not a scam.

  • @elm9607
    @elm9607 2 года назад +2

    On top of this, I know I’m guilty, you go shopping with a card and have like 10 cents left and never use the card again now that is a shit load of money added up

  • @rtemper
    @rtemper Год назад +6

    This is why I always give cash instead.

  • @Zapinc9
    @Zapinc9 2 года назад +25

    The worst one is when you try to use a card as part-payment and its refused. Say you are given a £20 card for a shoe shop and a pair of shoes cost £30 and they refuse to let you use the gift card unless it's balance covers the whole cost

    • @jakestark2483
      @jakestark2483 2 года назад +5

      I have never had this happen must be a euro thing. It's common practice in Canada that you can pay using 2 different transactions generally what id do is I would ring in the gift card value then ask how you propose to pay the remaining x valie

    • @ClintUdy
      @ClintUdy 2 года назад +2

      You can also pay 10 of the 30, leaving 20.
      Or add 10 to the balance.
      Or buy 10 in gc.

    • @jakestark2483
      @jakestark2483 2 года назад +2

      @@ClintUdy exactly whoever said this to the original comment clearly doesn't want to make business. If I give someone a gift card to go somewhere and they buy 30$ worth of stuff and have a 20$ gift card that store should look at it as they have not only a new shopper but someone willing to spend more than the gift cardon there product. It just doesn't make sense

    • @clonescope2433
      @clonescope2433 2 года назад

      That's interesting I haven't had that happen usually the only thing they request is you present the gift card first so they can use the gift card to cover part of it and then present your second form of payment either cash, card or another gift card.

    • @Zack_Wester
      @Zack_Wester Год назад

      as a swed thats not allowed.
      I can show up whit 5 usd on a gift card say I want to pay 1 usd of this product whit this gift card and the rest whit my debit card.
      no problem.
      the biggest problem is that the cashier can´t always see how much is on the card. so they need to cansle the whole transaction order.
      and then find out how much is on the card, note it down.
      then rescan all the items, insert pay by gift card (sum) then pay by what ever the remaining amount.

  • @michaelbujaki2462
    @michaelbujaki2462 2 года назад +4

    Before Paypal, I used them to buy stuff on the Apple store and later Google Play.

  • @flyboy152
    @flyboy152 2 года назад +18

    That is not a scam; you are getting exactly what you paid for. If the recipient fails to use the full value of the card, it’s no one’s fault but their own.

    • @firstnamelastname7708
      @firstnamelastname7708 2 месяца назад +1

      It’s still a scam. You as the giver are putting the recipient in the position of HAVING to waste money. It is virtually guaranteed you will never spend the precise amount on the gift card, so you either donate the balance to the corporation or spend your own money to use up the gift card.

  • @maxhaywood6641
    @maxhaywood6641 8 месяцев назад +2

    some people go to a shop with there Gift card and can't find anything they want so end up not using it and sometime people will end up buying something they don't really want or need just because they don't want to waste the gift card

  • @olafii579
    @olafii579 Год назад +2

    I absolutely agree. Also, you're just spending universal money to get the same amount of money but only for a single (or few) stores. Gift cards are in no way better than plain cash

  • @Yourboytanner_yt
    @Yourboytanner_yt 7 месяцев назад

    I literally scratched off the numbers ☠️

  • @heyitismyusername
    @heyitismyusername Год назад +1

    They used to expire too...

  • @Nightcaat
    @Nightcaat 2 года назад +65

    This is like saying perishable food is a scam because people can forget to eat all of it

    • @mpownage4806
      @mpownage4806 2 года назад +4

      wtf no lol, gift cards cant expire

    • @glodmod6610
      @glodmod6610 2 года назад +11

      @@mpownage4806 they can, or become invalid after a certain period at least

    • @mpownage4806
      @mpownage4806 2 года назад +7

      @@glodmod6610 its under legislation that gift cards are a form of currency, thus they are not allowed to expire even if it says so on the gift card itself

    • @aprettydumbperson
      @aprettydumbperson Год назад +1

      that's a pretty goofy comparison you need food to live so you wouldn't forget it as much giftcards aren't essential to live

    • @aprettydumbperson
      @aprettydumbperson Год назад +1

      that's a pretty goofy comparison you need food to live so you wouldn't forget it as much giftcards aren't essential to live

  • @atsanonwadsanthat166
    @atsanonwadsanthat166 2 месяца назад

    Meanwhile, _real_ scammers just scream "why did you redeem"?

  • @fionna_cool_girl
    @fionna_cool_girl 7 месяцев назад

    I work at an art nonprofit that specializes in giving glass art classes and there are a few people that still haven't picked up their gift cards. I've tried emailing the customers that their gift cards are here and ready to be picked up but they're still collecting dust.

  • @ColdYTS
    @ColdYTS 2 года назад +2

    thanks for telling me to use the 40 cents left on them

    • @petergriffin7121
      @petergriffin7121 2 года назад +1

      that's another way casinos make money in Vegas, instead of slot machines giving you the money back they just give you a receipt to take to the machine and cash out. People don't bother, if it's just "40 cents" but it's adds up.

  • @howiestillgamez5326
    @howiestillgamez5326 Год назад

    This video was really insightful, I always wondered how companies managed to make profit off of selling gift cards!

  • @Geepgeep642
    @Geepgeep642 Год назад +1

    I don’t really understand why anyone would but one in the first place. It’s basically just putting restrictions on money, for example if you buy an 80$ Amazon gift card it will cost 80$ so that’s just giving someone 80$ but you can only spend it in one place

  • @yeetproductionsbah3809
    @yeetproductionsbah3809 6 месяцев назад +1

    So true. My great wolf lodge gift card expired after no use for 6 years. Had over $300 on it 😢

  • @bfuuig2417
    @bfuuig2417 Год назад +1

    Bro turned into megamind at the end

  • @3RR0RNULL
    @3RR0RNULL Год назад

    It doesn’t matter if I have penny left, it WILL get used.

  • @renereiterer6058
    @renereiterer6058 Год назад

    where i work, we have a tool for hotels that lets customers create vouchers. one of our selling points is, that they get 100% profit for every unused voucher

  • @JohnJohnson-lk5mt
    @JohnJohnson-lk5mt 2 года назад +3

    Ya, why do you think they sell gift cards. Even if you leave 1 cent on it they make a profit… clearly.

  • @DanHenry-v5x
    @DanHenry-v5x 2 месяца назад

    Everything's a Scam Money itself is a Scam How far down the line do you wanna go with this

  • @matthewtalbot-paine7977
    @matthewtalbot-paine7977 Год назад

    Amazon gift cards probably have the lowest breakage because you can immediately add them to your account and the biggest use in scams.

  • @vitsadelhole
    @vitsadelhole 2 года назад

    They are also literally an interest free loan

  • @saginur4380
    @saginur4380 Год назад +1

    Just give them money instead lol

  • @10EightyPlays
    @10EightyPlays Год назад

    *is in despair over the x.99 leaving 1 cent on my e-shop accounts*

  • @Gnochigremlin
    @Gnochigremlin Год назад

    You also have to pay tax twice because you pay tax when buying the gift card and then again when using it.

  • @Magik_Cloud495
    @Magik_Cloud495 Год назад

    That's why when you buy a card for a gift write down the number and pin (I know there's probably a way to do it without scratching it off) and wait 1 year and then check and if it hasn't been used you are free to use

  • @richardkirkland6805
    @richardkirkland6805 Год назад

    "forget to use all of it" Not me, I always use my card until I can't spend any more.

  • @williammcleroy558
    @williammcleroy558 Год назад

    They are convenient when you can use them instead of a credit or debit card online though.

  • @Bad_Brawler1
    @Bad_Brawler1 2 месяца назад

    Meanwhile Google just having their gift cards not work

  • @user-ov2fc5sd1e
    @user-ov2fc5sd1e Год назад

    The red dwarf was so unexpected lmao

  • @Azov64131
    @Azov64131 Год назад

    So that's why a representative from Google Play always shouted at me to not redeem the card when im trying to pay him over the phone

  • @egal1780
    @egal1780 Год назад

    I remember some state taking the profit off of that, because it's "lost" wealth. I think it was Delaware or something...

  • @ordinary444
    @ordinary444 Год назад

    His head at top left at the end

  • @Directed2212
    @Directed2212 Год назад

    These short names never stop

  • @JesusHaroldChrist
    @JesusHaroldChrist Год назад

    Video game companies don’t even have to measure the profit lol

  • @kingof_chads
    @kingof_chads 2 года назад +2

    Me who keeps and uses every card and struggling when a card is declined when it's to little and have to use a different one

  • @emmetlorenz4393
    @emmetlorenz4393 Год назад

    That's why I take a picture of the gift cards I give to people. If they don't use it in a year, I will.

  • @Nijinja
    @Nijinja 2 года назад +2

    when i checked my old ones that hadn’t been fully drained i got like $50 total and ordered a pizza lol

  • @FadeAway42o
    @FadeAway42o 8 месяцев назад

    Man thats crazy ngl but it makes sense ive forgotten atleast 1

  • @incognito2567
    @incognito2567 2 года назад +1

    Ok thought he was going to say extra taxes for the cards

  • @RLD_gorilla_editz
    @RLD_gorilla_editz Год назад

    The fact that every visa card is non reload able is upsetting i have so many cards with at least 2-4 bucks on it yet i can't use em

  • @avgeekguy
    @avgeekguy Год назад +1

    Actually, the law says that they can’t count it as profit until the gift card is used

    • @-hd4yz
      @-hd4yz Год назад

      But still, don't they already have the money?

  • @Versatile668
    @Versatile668 10 месяцев назад

    Yeah that happened to me and I was trying to get to the bottom of it because I'm tired of it because I don't go for that

  • @arthur_ford125
    @arthur_ford125 3 месяца назад

    This is why i spend it in one sitting😂😂😂

  • @velmat3822
    @velmat3822 2 года назад

    just wait till im using prepaid cards to steal rented movies

  • @alwexxxxx
    @alwexxxxx Год назад

    yeah but kids can’t buy anything online without them

    • @brightax7502
      @brightax7502 Год назад

      I don’t think I would forget if I bought a card, it’s like forgetting you have money

  • @FirstNameLastName-gh9iw
    @FirstNameLastName-gh9iw Год назад

    Oh yeah I need to go to Best Buy and Chick-fil-A

  • @CastielQuinzel
    @CastielQuinzel Год назад +1

    I use gift cards to load money onto my Xbox, then when I want to buy another game I have money left to pay for the game tax.

  • @dskatyusha6282
    @dskatyusha6282 2 года назад

    In Canada its illegal for gift cards to have a expiration date

  • @Alexandros.Mograine
    @Alexandros.Mograine Год назад

    So its a scam because people forget to use them? Why is everyone so negative nowdays, always assuming everyone else have bad intentions.

  • @joshuaq7594
    @joshuaq7594 2 года назад

    That’s why I used to only buy the amount I or the person would use

  • @benw6952
    @benw6952 2 года назад

    Just because a business can make money off of something doesn’t mean it’s a scam 😂

  • @zoomzlodey
    @zoomzlodey 2 месяца назад

    How can you forget to use that??? I do it asap when i paid for it

  • @timandtom119
    @timandtom119 2 месяца назад

    How do people even forget to use gift cards?

  • @JeffCD77
    @JeffCD77 Год назад

    How is this a SCAM? It's not a business's fault if someone can't keep track of their gift card balance and use all of it.

  • @enthusiasticdebater5522
    @enthusiasticdebater5522 Год назад

    Some of these nation wide gyms have a fuck ton of breakage allowing them to only cost $10 a month lmao.

  • @Batmanbray26
    @Batmanbray26 9 месяцев назад

    Meanwhile my mom living off giftcards

  • @psyfacz2540
    @psyfacz2540 Год назад

    Moral of the story use the gift card the same day

  • @NtrlAnomaly
    @NtrlAnomaly Год назад

    Google play and Nintendo eshop seem to have fixed this issue, so long as you have an account you can tie all money from your gift cards to your account so leftovers are used on the next purchase.

    • @NtrlAnomaly
      @NtrlAnomaly Год назад

      It also remove the exp. date

  • @opmules2574
    @opmules2574 2 года назад

    It’s literally giving money to the company, some of the gift cards EXPIRE so it’s never worth giving a gift card to anyone

  • @allkindsamusicchick
    @allkindsamusicchick Год назад

    I NEVER forget!!! I'm poor enough.

  • @mkleng
    @mkleng Год назад

    How is it a scam when it is the buyers who didn’t use the cards??! Scaremongering

  • @aminal8532
    @aminal8532 Год назад

    I squeez every last bit possible outt of the cards

  • @ChillChinCentral
    @ChillChinCentral Год назад

    I wish my problem was forgetting to use what’s left on a gift card.
    I have a $50 Amazon gift card that got wet and the claim code wore off so 5 of the 15 digits aren’t readable. Even though the 16 digit number and barcode are perfectly legible, they won’t replace the card 🙄 I always knew gift cards were scams, but these newer paper ones are a whole new level of scam 😡

  • @CooperRominger
    @CooperRominger Год назад

    I spend every dime of every PlayStation card I've ever bought 😂

  • @Mike-e2l1e
    @Mike-e2l1e 11 месяцев назад

    Ya I didn't spend all mine and then they toke the rest of my money away

  • @devinsarter9713
    @devinsarter9713 2 года назад

    I always thought they were a scam cause you have to spend more than what's on them to use them all, so they'd make the initial value and a few bucks extra. interesting to see it goes the opposite way

    • @Bat-talk
      @Bat-talk 2 года назад

      Nowadays you don’t spend as much for card
      Most places offer a gift card for exact amount
      Depends on company I guess
      I don’t think for example chick fil a would charge a 3-5$ fee if you get a gift card
      But Yeaa they probably know someone’s not gonna use the whole amount

  • @hellooboomba7483
    @hellooboomba7483 Год назад

    I’ve known this for so long

  • @kazula.
    @kazula. 2 года назад +2

    Where do u learn all this, do u just randomly search something up related to finance?

  • @pain6797
    @pain6797 8 месяцев назад

    In short: It's not a scam until you allow it to be

  • @ryrytoad
    @ryrytoad Месяц назад +1

    i know my mom just git me a mastercard giftcard and it doesnt even work. i am very sad.

  • @kingstorm7188
    @kingstorm7188 7 месяцев назад

    Thanks I have $20 bucks left on a longhorn steakhouse gift card I better use it

  • @isaactroyer5689
    @isaactroyer5689 2 года назад

    I mean, it's not a scam when the lost money is due to negligence

  • @ChristopherSudhop-cn8we
    @ChristopherSudhop-cn8we Год назад

    The problem with this video is on completely different because I use all the money on the gift cards that I get

  • @notjord317
    @notjord317 Год назад

    Thats actually crazy to think about, my amazon account has like $2.36 gift card money left over on it and no matter how hard I could try I would never be able to spend all of it. Now imagine millions of other people like me and you can see how they make a profit, its actually genius on their part

  • @expl0siveR3x
    @expl0siveR3x Год назад

    It doesn't help that say you got a $20 gift card, often the in game item will cost say $18.35, and the rest is to small an amount, this losing you money