This is a complete clockwise trip around the DPM loop, starting and ending at the Broadway station, viewed from the front window of a train. Recorded on 12 May 2017.
Sure changed a lot and for the better. When I rode it in the 80's: abandoned buildings galore then, particularly around Caddilac Square. Detroit now is a city with great potential, if the right people invest and move in.
marvin watkins : not just in the 80s, first time I visited Detroit in the late 90s was the same, or worse, not a soul to be seen in the downtown area, full of abandoned early-century skyscrapers with no windows, rundown, no new buildings to be seen, the most recent building seemed to have been built in the 50s with the notable exception of the renaissance center (which was built in the 70s). All that scenery gave me the chills, it looked like some apocalyptic event had happened in the early 20th century at that place.
it goes right through the center of a building - that's pretty wild. And some of the stations have been built as a major architectural feature of the other buildings too.
Me too. I first went there in the 90's because I had a love of cars and wanted to see the Motor City. I try to get there every couple of years. Nice to see it finally improving.
@_ Steve _ your idiot first off Detroit don’t need you and never has I’m born and raised in Detroit come from a family that worked the big three how about you?
This takes me right back to being a kid, growing up outside of Detroit. We went downtown every year for the auto show. I love Michigan and miss it so much. Thank you for posting this. It made me cry!
I am from Ann Arbor/ Canton/ Traverse City....have been to downtown Detroit "MILLIONS" of times!! ...Sports, boat and car shows, hockey, Greek Town, Ice Capades, Hudson's, parades, Hart Plaza fireworks, Belle Isle, Boblo, Farmer's Market, boat races, Rooster Tail dining, plays, Carl's Chop House, concerts, Detroit Institute of Art, Fox Theater, Vernor's AND Stroh's beer tours, etc, etc...but NEVER on the People Mover!!.... What A WONDERFUL WONDERFUL video!!! ....Thank you!!!... First row seats and NO talking!!!.... I LOVE it!!! ....It made me "feel" like I have now "ridden it"....lol...Thank you again!!!!.....(I also LOVE LOVE LOVE RUclips!!!!)
@@m0istl0la97 I'm so glad to see it's still operating. Sadly I'll never get the chance to ride on the People Mover but I can watch utube and imagine. 👍💖
There's a lot more to the city of Detroit than a couple blocks of downtown. As of May 2023, there are 1,980 homes for sale in Detroit for $5,000 or less. One of the challenges facing the city of Detroit is they did not have enough money to tear down all of the abandoned buildings in the city and return the land to mother nature. At one point, they were considering walling off and abandoning entire sections of the city because they couldn't provide basic services like fire, ambulance and police protection.
After seeing so many horror videos about Detroit's slums, I have to admit, downtown Detroit looks alot nicer than I thought it would! I've seen much worse looking cities in the USA! Maybe it looks worse down at street level, but from this train it looks pretty nice!
there are two detroits. the slums/neighborhoods and the core neighborhoods/downtown. basically the core neighborhoods of downtown, midtown, corktown and layfayette are similar to any major us city. it is the outer 80 percent of the city that looks like a major war zone followed by abandonment.
Hearing Japanese in the background is a nice touch. They got off at Michigan Ave station, LOL. Detroit looks really deserted but basically clean. Downtown Miami has one of these conductor-less people movers, generally more crowded.
Oh the memories. Picking up books from comics oasis in trappers alley, going to various events at the joe and cobo, hanging out at ren cen... I spent a good chunk of my teenage years riding in a big ass circle cause I thought it looked cool lol
Oooh you took me back.. The Freedom Festivals.. Cobo Hall, Ford Auditorium, Hart Plaza, The Renaissance Center then off to Trappers Alley to eat and check out Harmony House then the Fudgery.. Back to the car to ride up Jefferson around Belle-Isle to the strip.. Mary-Jane time.. Continue off the strip around the rest of the Island back across the 🌉 bridge up Jefferson the opposite way back toward Downtown..😊Happy Days.. It was a car and fashion show every weekend and on every B.B.Q. Holiday Memorial Day, July 4th and Labor Day for sure.. And after Downtown and Belle-Isle and riding Jefferson, we would ride through the City to Rouge-Park to complete the day and close out the evening before heading 🏡 home.. Ahh the memories.. ( sorry for the long response).. I went there😂..
It was supposed to be the size of the Chicago fast transit system but budget cuts caused it to be much smaller. Hopefully someday it will be as large as the Chicago L.
Its like the SkyTrain's long lost sibling. One of them became an icon and changed constantly the other became almost forgotten but preserved in its original state
I visited Detroit on business many times in the Seventies and Eighties, staying at the Cadillac and later RenCen. It wasn’t Club Med, but neither was it a crime-ridden hellhole. Reasonable street smarts required, but where aren’t they? Current situation, couldn’t say.
Please come back. I live downtown. You would be blown away by the amount of construction. Too many projects to list. Development is now spreading west and north. Long way to go but definitely happening. The Book Cadillac is open again and looks amazing.
Is that Welcome to Greek-town above what used to be my favorite hamburger and french fry fast-food chain a Five Guys restaurant while the monorail approaches the Greek-town station?
Detroit core along with other Midwestern/ Eastern cities that declined through most the last decades ( white flight) are going through a reinvestment and genification. They look great because many of them still have the awesome early 19th century American architecture mixed in with sky rises and modern buildings, Cincinnati is another example of Detroit's gentrification with many 19th centruy building.
considering 75% of Detroit is neighborhoods upon neighborhoods of abandoned houses, probably living somewhere else. lol. Theres literally hundreds of streets of all abandoned houses.
I left in 82' so here a few observations. I counted a total of 8 passengers getting on this thing. How much does it cost to run?? I never heard of any areas of Detroit referred to as the "financial"district or Broadway or Times Square. Never. How many of the buildings downtown are vacant? Where are all the people? Nice sun shiny day and a ghost town.
I drove to Detroit in my car during a weekday (in the 1980s) and parked on the street in the "financial district" It was the only time I can remember when I got spooked because there was absolutely nobody on the streets in the middle of the afternoon, so I turned around and got back in my car and left.
You would be pretty miffed if you wanted to go one stop but in the opposite direction to the train. Imagine having to go all the way round the loop just to go one stop. Probably better off just walking. I was expecting Detroit to be a dump but it actually looks quite modern, clean and tidy.
Such an odd looking city. There aer so many parking lots, so many highways, but really no pedestrians and not much in the way of storefronts on the street level.
This isn’t meant to be a criticism as I am aware that Detroit is coming back, but a few years ago I was at tiger stadium and there was a banging sound echoing through the entire area. When I asked what that was, everyone around me said “the people mover”. What about this could make so much noise?
Great vidéo, But this moving system is a veru limited one, a single loop with only one track. Nothing to compare wit Chicago's " L", London tube or Paris metro.
@C caymer Detroit (and suburbs) doesn't have subways or the like. Detroit's biggest problem is the lack of public transportation. The People Mover goes on a circuit. Other than that, there are buses that don't usually run on time and taxis. (Maybe Uber, etc., now, as well.)
Nice overview. Does the PM sway a bit before starting, or was that you? That whistling/buzzing sound must get old after a while. I could mute it here. Unless it was, say Sunday, seems like another waste of taxpayer money. No people! Empty city, but still clean, at least.
Very nice an clean but I don't know if I'd go in the nite haven't been there in 20yrs it was dirty an unsafe I like to go on that it looks like it would be fun I'm 3hrs from there
Its wierd seeing ICTS with single track.... None of the ICTS on Skytrain is single track... One short section of Canada line (which moves with Traditional electric 3 rail traction motors instead of the Linear Induction tech used by DPM, Expo Line and Millennium Line is single track but it's not long at all. I'm not from Vancouver myself but I have family who lives there so every time I go visit I try to at least use Skytrain to get to somewhere. Does DPM always go clockwise? or do they have Counter Clockwise runs too? I saw something about a siding system that allows for trains to run in the opposite direction. Its funny watching these old Mark 1 2 car trains when your used to seeing ICTS Mark 2 and Mark 3 more commonly.
Kevin Howard One other thing. I use it everyday. January --- June 2018 ridership numbers are up 72% and above projections. The only time I dont ride it is on game nights when It's too crowded.
Boa noite ! Pra mim é uma honra viu prestigiar seu trabalho, vamos sempre juntos somar e fortalecer nossos objetivos, Conto com você, eu já estou por aqui..
Part of the reason Detroit city was named to that list was that you can (or could) buy a single family house for $5,000. Now that is affordable housing!
The suburbs of Detroit are sorry? Which ones? Bloomfield? Novi? West Bloomfield? Wixom? Grosse Ille? These are some of the wealthiest suburbs in the world.
@C caymer All right. Not sure what that even means. I am a lifelong resident of Detroit. I am aware that many suburbs are beautiful. Just not sure why you feel compelled to give black people life advice. The city is in the midst of a huge comeback at least in the 48 square mile city core. Many neighborhoods are still in trouble but progress is being made everywhere. Since you wont answer where you live I assume that you either dont live anywhere near the city or live in the suburbs and fancy yourself a Detroit expert.
This video gave you what the title says. It never claimed it would show you how the train looks like. You can do a google search for that. Dumb reason to dislike.
Detroit is so big it confuses people because it has bad areas and magnificent area people b like how can that be? You can't judge it unless you come here and see it for yourself our bad is bad our good is good lol"
Sure changed a lot and for the better. When I rode it in the 80's: abandoned buildings galore then, particularly around Caddilac Square. Detroit now is a city with great potential, if the right people invest and move in.
marvin watkins
You’re very right about that.
i strongly believe that Detroit becomes even better city in the future
marvin watkins : not just in the 80s, first time I visited Detroit in the late 90s was the same, or worse, not a soul to be seen in the downtown area, full of abandoned early-century skyscrapers with no windows, rundown, no new buildings to be seen, the most recent building seemed to have been built in the 50s with the notable exception of the renaissance center (which was built in the 70s). All that scenery gave me the chills, it looked like some apocalyptic event had happened in the early 20th century at that place.
You mean if the *white people invest and move in.
it goes right through the center of a building - that's pretty wild. And some of the stations have been built as a major architectural feature of the other buildings too.
Check out the metromover in Miami. It also goes inside of buildings.
My grandmother and aunt moved from Windsor to detroit in the 1940s. I have always had a fascination for Detroit.
Me too. I first went there in the 90's because I had a love of cars and wanted to see the Motor City. I try to get there every couple of years. Nice to see it finally improving.
Robert Gardea you sound stupid Detroit is not a bad place to live it’s not perfect it definitely hav a rich history
@_ Steve _ your idiot first off Detroit don’t need you and never has I’m born and raised in Detroit come from a family that worked the big three how about you?
Something for me to think about one summer is to go up to Detroit, Michigan and experience what it's like up there.
This takes me right back to being a kid, growing up outside of Detroit. We went downtown every year for the auto show. I love Michigan and miss it so much. Thank you for posting this. It made me cry!
I am from Ann Arbor/ Canton/ Traverse City....have been to downtown Detroit "MILLIONS" of times!! ...Sports, boat and car shows, hockey, Greek Town, Ice Capades, Hudson's, parades, Hart Plaza fireworks, Belle Isle, Boblo, Farmer's Market, boat races, Rooster Tail dining, plays, Carl's Chop House, concerts, Detroit Institute of Art, Fox Theater, Vernor's AND Stroh's beer tours, etc, etc...but NEVER on the People Mover!!.... What A WONDERFUL WONDERFUL video!!! ....Thank you!!!... First row seats and NO talking!!!.... I LOVE it!!! ....It made me "feel" like I have now "ridden it"....lol...Thank you again!!!!.....(I also LOVE LOVE LOVE RUclips!!!!)
this is freaking amazing. I am Australian and we do not have anything like it. What a stunning city !
People mover suffers low ridership and low money
@@m0istl0la97 I'm so glad to see it's still operating. Sadly I'll never get the chance to ride on the People Mover but I can watch utube and imagine. 👍💖
There's a lot more to the city of Detroit than a couple blocks of downtown. As of May 2023, there are 1,980 homes for sale in Detroit for $5,000 or less. One of the challenges facing the city of Detroit is they did not have enough money to tear down all of the abandoned buildings in the city and return the land to mother nature. At one point, they were considering walling off and abandoning entire sections of the city because they couldn't provide basic services like fire, ambulance and police protection.
After seeing so many horror videos about Detroit's slums, I have to admit, downtown Detroit looks alot nicer than I thought it would! I've seen much worse looking cities in the USA! Maybe it looks worse down at street level, but from this train it looks pretty nice!
Downtown is being rebuilt slowly but surely and is actually okay. The videos you are referring to are a 5 minute car ride away.
Los Angeles is the slum. People living in tents throughout the downtown area.
there are two detroits. the slums/neighborhoods and the core neighborhoods/downtown. basically the core neighborhoods of downtown, midtown, corktown and layfayette are similar to any major us city. it is the outer 80 percent of the city that looks like a major war zone followed by abandonment.
Seems like a ghost city
Its still a horrible place !! Nothing in Detroit!
same system as skytrain in Vancouver, BC CA
True to that
And the TTC Line 3 (Scarborough RT). Also uses the same door chimes as the SRT.
Good ole Detroit slowly making that turn around
Hearing Japanese in the background is a nice touch. They got off at Michigan Ave station, LOL. Detroit looks really deserted but basically clean. Downtown Miami has one of these conductor-less people movers, generally more crowded.
Thank you very much buddy for this interesting excursion in Detroit!
Oh the memories. Picking up books from comics oasis in trappers alley, going to various events at the joe and cobo, hanging out at ren cen... I spent a good chunk of my teenage years riding in a big ass circle cause I thought it looked cool lol
Oooh you took me back.. The Freedom Festivals.. Cobo Hall, Ford Auditorium, Hart Plaza, The Renaissance Center then off to Trappers Alley to eat and check out Harmony House then the Fudgery.. Back to the car to ride up Jefferson around Belle-Isle to the strip.. Mary-Jane time.. Continue off the strip around the rest of the Island back across the 🌉 bridge up Jefferson the opposite way back toward Downtown..😊Happy Days.. It was a car and fashion show every weekend and on every B.B.Q. Holiday Memorial Day, July 4th and Labor Day for sure.. And after Downtown and Belle-Isle and riding Jefferson, we would ride through the City to Rouge-Park to complete the day and close out the evening before heading 🏡 home.. Ahh the memories.. ( sorry for the long response).. I went there😂..
I'm surprised to see that it only runs in one direction... really reduces its utility.
Great Video! Can't wait to go back to the Motor City !
Really from the heights Detroit looks quite clean cut and elegant, just like the gentleman never miss his demeanour, even in bad times.
its like a mini "L" train except much smaller,much shorter distance,and what only looks like one single line/track.
It was supposed to be the size of the Chicago fast transit system but budget cuts caused it to be much smaller. Hopefully someday it will be as large as the Chicago L.
Remember finding a rockstar logo when i was playing midnight club 3 on the detroit train station
Its like the SkyTrain's long lost sibling. One of them became an icon and changed constantly the other became almost forgotten but preserved in its original state
I visited Detroit on business many times in the Seventies and Eighties, staying at the Cadillac and later RenCen. It wasn’t Club Med, but neither was it a crime-ridden hellhole. Reasonable street smarts required, but where aren’t they? Current situation, couldn’t say.
Please come back. I live downtown. You would be blown away by the amount of construction. Too many projects to list. Development is now spreading west and north. Long way to go but definitely happening. The Book Cadillac is open again and looks amazing.
The Detroit people mover is also like the Miami Dade Transit Elevated train and it also doesn't go underground.
This people mover in Detroit apparently doesn't even go underground like the Washington DC Metro. It's somewhat like the Chicago 'EL' train.
Is that Welcome to Greek-town above what used to be my favorite hamburger and french fry fast-food chain a Five Guys restaurant while the monorail approaches the Greek-town station?
Anyone watching from Vancouver?
Me
Birch Tree me
no, england
Yea, the train is using the TTC door chime lol
Yes I am!
¡COMO QUISIERA ESTAR EN ESE LUGAR FISICAMENTE!.......... ME GUSTO MUCHO, ¡GRACIAS!.
I love the views of the river, freighters, and the Ambassador bridge! Does the people mover run 24/7?
The areas seen from this ride are actually quite decent, which shocks the hell out of me.
Maestro_T Dont believe the ruin porn. I live in Detroit. There are horrible parts but the nice areas are getting bigger every day.
Detroit core along with other Midwestern/ Eastern cities that declined through most the last decades ( white flight) are going through a reinvestment and genification.
They look great because many of them still have the awesome early 19th century American architecture mixed in with sky rises and modern buildings, Cincinnati is another example of Detroit's gentrification with many 19th centruy building.
Miami, Florida:
Metromover does not charge for rides; however, a $2.25/1.1 fee is charged if transferring to Metrorail or Metrobus.
I am from phily.. and our downtown is very nice just like Detroit and just like the rest of the city it's a dump..
Wow, that parking lot on the right at :28 is where the new Hudson's Building is now going up. Wow, and The Joe is still there as well at about 9:00
Where are the people?
David Clarke It's the "MOTOR CITY".People drive.This ain't NEW YOKE CITY.
Chrome Madness that's not why it's a ghost town bucko...
Dead of course.
in their car...it's faster
considering 75% of Detroit is neighborhoods upon neighborhoods of abandoned houses, probably living somewhere else. lol. Theres literally hundreds of streets of all abandoned houses.
Love the original street lamps
the DPM is great it even has a Qline which i love!
Where are all the people at? Like the city is empty, not many people anywhere.
The same sound of Vancouver BC Canada’s Skytrains
I left in 82' so here a few observations. I counted a total of 8 passengers getting on this thing. How much does it cost to run?? I never heard of any areas of Detroit referred to as the "financial"district or Broadway or Times Square. Never. How many of the buildings downtown are vacant? Where are all the people? Nice sun shiny day and a ghost town.
I drove to Detroit in my car during a weekday (in the 1980s) and parked on the street in the "financial district" It was the only time I can remember when I got spooked because there was absolutely nobody on the streets in the middle of the afternoon, so I turned around and got back in my car and left.
A close distance from the Greektown station to Bricktown station on the Detroit people mover.
You would be pretty miffed if you wanted to go one stop but in the opposite direction to the train. Imagine having to go all the way round the loop just to go one stop. Probably better off just walking. I was expecting Detroit to be a dump but it actually looks quite modern, clean and tidy.
the only event in 1983 was the summer Grand prix-race nice to see things happening in 2016
crazy how little people are out
Such an odd looking city. There aer so many parking lots, so many highways, but really no pedestrians and not much in the way of storefronts on the street level.
4:50 - when it was constructed, the designers thought that putting fake people statues on the platforms would make people feel safer
So beautiful thank you for sharing
The thumbnail looks like Cities Skylines
This isn’t meant to be a criticism as I am aware that Detroit is coming back, but a few years ago I was at tiger stadium and there was a banging sound echoing through the entire area. When I asked what that was, everyone around me said “the people mover”. What about this could make so much noise?
Where are all the people being moved?
That's pretty cool, I didn't know they had that
How how much to ride?
Sufer_Girl 75 cents
@@BriooniVids your telling the truth its that cheap here
Great vidéo,
But this moving system is a veru limited one, a single loop with only one track. Nothing to compare wit Chicago's " L", London tube or Paris metro.
@C caymer Detroit (and suburbs) doesn't have subways or the like. Detroit's biggest problem is the lack of public transportation. The People Mover goes on a circuit. Other than that, there are buses that don't usually run on time and taxis. (Maybe Uber, etc., now, as well.)
Philippe Durand (why compare unless you are a identical twin and even those prefer something that identify them as being different!)
Nice overview.
Does the PM sway a bit before starting, or was that you?
That whistling/buzzing sound must get old after a while. I could mute it here.
Unless it was, say Sunday, seems like another waste of taxpayer money. No people!
Empty city, but still clean, at least.
IIRC the car jerks a little bit when starting, and my standing up behind the window would have smoothed it out.
KutWrite has been next please
Basically that is what they call an el train in Chicago but more modern.
Very nice an clean but I don't know if I'd go in the nite haven't been there in 20yrs it was dirty an unsafe I like to go on that it looks like it would be fun I'm 3hrs from there
great vid, so sad the Joe is no longer used by the wings, my dream is to go to the D and see the wings. - peace out
Still come. The new arena is amazing.
Joe Louis arena was demolished in 2019
That’s odd, they use Vancouver's 1985 chime
DJAnthony TV I bet thats the default factory sounds file and it was replaced in time for expo. However it's still a guess
they use the same trains for the skytrain, dpm, and scarborough rt. thats why they all have the same chime
The next station chime.......
No stop at Ford Field/ Comerica ? How far a walk is nearest station to them ?
You would get of at the David Whitney Building stop right at Woodward. Short walk from there.
15 jours à Detroit en '91, un rève de gosse... plus précisément Sterling Heights. Mais le RenCen est toujours aussi magique à mes yeux...
Such a cool looking city! If they could just drive out the problem groups they could make a huge comeback
Electing a competent mayor without regard to the color of his skin was a good start
Its wierd seeing ICTS with single track.... None of the ICTS on Skytrain is single track... One short section of Canada line (which moves with Traditional electric 3 rail traction motors instead of the Linear Induction tech used by DPM, Expo Line and Millennium Line is single track but it's not long at all.
I'm not from Vancouver myself but I have family who lives there so every time I go visit I try to at least use Skytrain to get to somewhere.
Does DPM always go clockwise? or do they have Counter Clockwise runs too? I saw something about a siding system that allows for trains to run in the opposite direction. Its funny watching these old Mark 1 2 car trains when your used to seeing ICTS Mark 2 and Mark 3 more commonly.
Esta parecendo a Av Kensington na Philadelfia Pensilvânia 😁
For a city it looks dead..
It is come to Detroit it’s only live sometimes
Me??? Free to ride mover for ALL public in Miami, Florida everyday too !!!! :) :)
Where is the Ferndale station?
Hiii
It's in our hearts and minds
Hi
its so much better in person trust me
That'd be my wish that apparently I would really want.
Lovely!!! 😊👍
8.13 whats so funny ? :)
I think the DPM should be expanded to be twin tracked so more people would ride it
That would be a little bit difficult since the tracks run through several buildings
Now we have the iPhone 12
Weird start 5:36
Video muito bom.
Great Vid!
No people on the people mover.
Remininded me of half life
In the beginning of Half Life that Gordon Freeman rides the people people mover monorail tram system
There schools have no heat, missing roofs, inadequate learning material but sure lets build a $2 billion train no one is using.
Kevin Howard the People mover was built decades ago and didn’t cost nearly as much as that stupid train thing moving down Woodward to nowhere
Kevin Howard The Q Line was mainly privately funded by Dan Gilbert, Roger Penske and other invested billionaires.
Kevin Howard One other thing. I use it everyday. January --- June 2018 ridership numbers are up 72% and above projections. The only time I dont ride it is on game nights when It's too crowded.
nice cite
日本語が時折聞こえるが、それにしても乗客すくねえ…
has the same door chime as TTC :0
also most of the stations are way to close to each other in my opinion. no wonder this train is so disused
Ace and only goes in one direction, making it more inconvient than its worth somtimes.
Ace it also doesn't help that all the stations are literally in office buildings and not on the ground. It's too elevated.
Ace Detroit uses the same train technology as Toronto and Vancouver. That's why the chimes sound the same.
so there's no street access?
People Mover? More like Ghost Mover haha.
Boa noite ! Pra mim é uma honra viu prestigiar seu trabalho, vamos sempre juntos somar e fortalecer nossos objetivos, Conto com você, eu já estou por aqui..
guys this is not real
Detroit becomes the most livable city worldwide such amazing place indeed
Part of the reason Detroit city was named to that list was that you can (or could) buy a single family house for $5,000. Now that is affordable housing!
Far out.
Legal
Should make it so it goes to the sorry excuses for a suburbs of Detroit since they can't afford cars...
The suburbs of Detroit are sorry? Which ones? Bloomfield? Novi? West Bloomfield? Wixom? Grosse Ille? These are some of the wealthiest suburbs in the world.
@C caymer All right. Not sure what that even means. I am a lifelong resident of Detroit. I am aware that many suburbs are beautiful. Just not sure why you feel compelled to give black people life advice. The city is in the midst of a huge comeback at least in the 48 square mile city core. Many neighborhoods are still in trouble but progress is being made everywhere. Since you wont answer where you live I assume that you either dont live anywhere near the city or live in the suburbs and fancy yourself a Detroit expert.
@@sixmile2360 by 7 mine road, like Chaldean town
Detroit transit is a joke compared to Clevelands just saying...
Those Japanese talked so loud. lol
A big city with so few people on the streets, sad what has happened to Detroit due to the democrat party mismanagement.
8:22 it's a view of freedom, jk
Fake subway
Thumbs down. 👎
Why would you make a video without even showing how the hell the train looks. I have no clue what he's in
This video gave you what the title says. It never claimed it would show you how the train looks like. You can do a google search for that. Dumb reason to dislike.
Detroit is so big it confuses people because it has bad areas and magnificent area people b like how can that be? You can't judge it unless you come here and see it for yourself our bad is bad our good is good lol"