So, what is the BEST Spectre in Necropolis 3.24? - FULL GUIDE
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- Опубликовано: 2 авг 2024
- In this video, Ghazzy explains everything you need to know if you want to play spectres - from leveling to high budget endgame, pretty much everything is covered for Necropolis 3.24 League.
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Timestamps:
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0:00 Introduction
1:48 Early Game Spectres - Moondancers
5:48 Support/Utility Spectres
8:49 The Transition from 3 to 4 Spectres
15:30 Recap/Final Thoughts
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Edit:
Clarification on bis spectres for Zoomancer is for single-target boss fights for clearing you'd replace the Arena Master with Carnage Chieftain as the Frenzy charges provides more stable dmg output when they are allowed to build up 3 charges. So single target vs clear. Warcaller is obviously a great decision as well. Always go with the written guide to make sure you have the optimal set-up as it's a matter of opinion based of content you're running that dictates the choice in the end.
Clarification on BAMA spectres is also for single-target as you normally do so much dmg that having Arena Master and Warcaller is a solid choice. I am however more open to changes on BAMA specifically whilst the Spectral Leader and Pale Seraphim I'd not change.
Do keep in mind that the PoB is a rough draft with a handful of issues that is being resolved during the night (right now) as it's being turned in to a written guide.
Stay tuned :)
HI sorry i saw the video and you were using the mob called Stygian Revenant, is still good one? if so, do you have the pob? i like that spectre even if was nerfed long ago.
Heya, I'm playing your herald of purity guardian build. Should I change any spectres in my build? Right now I have Primal Crushclaw ( I dpn't like the visuals in sanctum), Arena Master, Pale Seraphim.
Thanks for the POB and video on this. I ran through the campaign with one and then two Wretched Defilers in bitter dream and it was the smoothest campaign I’ve ever done.
ty as always Ghazzy
Great video thanks for the research
Thank you Gazzy, I love specs but finding the time to test all of their mechanics is difficult.
yeeeessss, he did it! ty mate
thanks for the info
You da man !!!! Much love
You build it ! now he will come!
With poedb not always telling the whole story (especially regarding how many times certain abilities hit, etc. ex. Pale Angel, Moon Dancer,), I find it hard to define any best spectre with over 50 new ones and such little testing being done overall. I've tested hundreds of spectres, and cleared all content with spectre-carry builds in SSF/private leagues for years.
I HIGHLY doubt enough testing has been done for any king to be crowned in the carry department. Sure, the low hanging fruit have been identified, Wretched Defiler has good numbers, but there is a lot more research to be done.
Anything functioning as expected as been tested and verified but you can always include human error and the possibility of interactions working in a different way than intended (such as Syndicate Operatives) to de-crown the current state of bis spectres.
Pale Angel was precisely what I was interested in testing with Wraithlord. I felt back in Scourge league (as shown by Kay, back when she still played - miss her content) that maybe pure spectres with pale angels could work if we had more of them. Hopefully we'll be able to test that and see.
Yeah I'm wondering whether Necrotic Bones or Tawhoa Shaman will be good for poison. They both have shotgunning mortars that can be supported by greater volley.
@@AgentYoda Pale angel had it's functionality randomly changed approximately when they implemented the changes to beyond. The primary ability does way more damage than it indicates now, it is probably hitting more than once. Still not a great spectre, but yea.
Do you want him to just not make a video? He opens the video by making the point that there the answer is dependant on many factors.
GJ MAN!
What's also worth mentioning is that the Spectral Leader's AI makes it avoid melee and through that, taking its action speed buff away from melee minions. Crazy powerful minion, but incredibly inconsistent, esp without Convoke.
Also the Arena Master's buff uptime is significantly lesser than the Warcaller's, for what that's worth.
It is also easy to miss Warcaller buffs when you are moving.
Man, Minion guys play a whole different game :D Looks really intresting tho! Will probably play this as my second build and first time dive into Minions in PoE.
Hey Ghazzy! The PoB for the ZooDancer build references "Carron & Stone Golem 3L" but it only has Stone Golem, and you do not take the passive for the extra Golem. Curious if the description is just a typo =)
For the Wretched defilers, the POB says to get ghastly eye jewels with physical / cold damage. Shouldn't it be physical / lightning damage as it scales with their attack types?
Hey Ghazzy, nice video!
Could you somehow share the MTX that you´re using the first 5 mins of gameplay?
Cheers
very comprehensive, is there a 'where to find' guide on warcaller/spectral leader?
The tattoo dropping lantern adds the mobs to your map
Global channel 6666 is where ppl go to get them from others. 😊
Hi, I'm trying the Herald of Purity build this season. Should i use the specters from the support/utility section ? Or other ones ?
Does the action speed stack or multiply with Torrent's Reclamation? Both seem like increases, so you could get 30% action speed. I wonder if that would be worth sacrificing DE? Since action speed is essentially a multiplier for attack/cast speed. Also, I wonder what it would look like if you didn't use Whispers helmet and used the new 20% action speed spectre with Arakaali's? It sounds broken with attack speed stacking.
Edit: I just POB'd it and Arakaali's actually gains significant damage over Whispers with support spectres (I used Pale Seraphim, Spectral Leader, and Arena Master (have to just add the de-buff description for the last two). I'm excited to make a build with this.
Moon Dancer actually matches my playstyle perfectly. I don't plan on doing any pinnacles, catch me next league on wasting my amulet slot to make that whack lightning proj spectre work lol.
I go withT16 moondancer i think you can push it for big dps
I just got cannibal fire-breathers and a caldera ravager. Both of them are very nice for fire damage spectres. Tooks a while and wasted alot chaos to rng in tier 17 maps for desecration
SUCH a minion league!!!! great vid tyty sir!
Im currentlay playing a Zoomancer with 100% cold conversion. My spectres should be the following, according to your video: warcaller, crushclaw, spectral leader , arena master.
sSould I rly use onslaught (warcaller) over 3 frenzy charges with the carnage chieftain (it performs worse according to PoB)?
The spectral leader tries to keep his distance from the enemies. Thats obv. not good for my zombies + skele setup. Is there an other option than spaming convocation to keep the aura uptime high (maybe an alternative spectre)?
An other things that bothers me is that something is cursing the enemies and constantly overwriting my frostbite. Could it be the arena master?
I feel like warcaller outperforms carnage chieftains, and I've been using those for decades, the almost permanent uptime makes it so solid, I reckon they'll nerf it at some point.
Started with archmage kightning bolt. Best league start ever. After completing atlas and farming some currency will be starting spectre build. I think it's absolute best skill in the entire game
Where can you find the moondancer if you want to level with them?
Good stuff
Any spectres recommended for chaos damage/poison? I'm trying to see how much I could get out of the new Unholy Might passive on necro
Ty
so i should go this for zoomancer build in this league?
crushclaw
spectral leader
arena master
warcaller
Im very confused on the spectors. Been looking for a noob guide. Anyways using the spector skill on a corpse i get. But how do i prevent them from dying and if 1 does die how do i know which one to replace. Doing my first minion build and im lost on this. Thanks 😊
Anything stand out for Unholy Might as a carry instead of Poison SRS support? like defensive Al-Hezmin was
For the SSF/GSF andys like me. On which specific T17 maps do you get the Wretched Defilers and the Spectral Leaders?
i am trying out the node on the tree right now
will let you know
@@nikolasrodel973 I am trying the node atm. Just spamming any maps and desecrating. It works. After about 40 maps i got the Spectral Leader. So it works. Still searching for the Defilers.
the warcaller and spectral leader die quite a lot. Any tips on maximizing their survivability? meat shield, capped res... what else can you really do?
For BAMA, my understanding is that we're typically resummoning the clones very rapidly to utilize Fresh Meat. How do the buffing specteres (spectral leader, arena master, warcaller) interact with minions created after they cast their buff? Is the buff an aura that's being applied to everyone around them while it's active? Or does it get applied to each thing indepentantly at the time of cast, and newly created minions won't get the benefit until it's recast again?
Good question bro
Summon Spectre is such a cool skill.
What about the demon of the drowned? Are they any good? They have some crazy numbers.
Does the spectral leader have a different name on lower maps? Went thru 54 t1 maps to try and get one with the node and never saw any
In a written Zoomancer guide there is crushclaw in second position. Is it an error or what will be the order of the importance?
Order doesnt matter only links matters.
Where to you get spectral leader is it an allflame? which one if it is
Really hope to find anyone with dem spectre leaders in Ruthless
As I was starting to roll with the 10 specter defilers this drops, sadly not for that experiment though, sadge
Weird to see no mention of Carnage Chieftain, even though that’s in the 3.24 Zoomancer Leaguestart PoE Vault guide. Should probably update that.
are there no spectres with auras like there were in affliction? for eg perfect tiger or other..
Hello, can I ask you to leave links to all supported spectrs
I'm running a Warcaller, 2 Demon Harpy's and a Pale seraphim on my Dominating Blow necro, Warcaller is great really.
what about switching faster projectile for point black for boss?
is there a pob for the wraith lord?
Correct if I'm wrong: in this league, if I'm playing cold zoomancer with 4 spectres they will be Primal Crushclaw, Spectral Leader, Arena Master, Warcaller.
So we are dropping chieftain?
Correct. Chieftain is dropped
What do you think of Deadly Tarantula Spectres?
What is with those boss (Brutus etc.) spectres now? Aren't they viable?
Ghazzy better have 5 moon dancers or 4 moondancers and one support spectre?
Would Moon Dancers be scaled by Bronn's Armor?
Can someone please explain to me how to get the Moondancer Specters? I don't really understand how to change the Specters.😕
So 1 spectre leader and 3 moondancers or wretched defilers ?
Where in the league mechanic are the spectral leaders? Are they a allflame or just a haunted type
They are only in T17 maps I think
Is demon of the drowned still untested?
The +1 on the shield ist 4-5 div by the way
In which allflame will i find moon dancers?? Im on ps4 and i dont think i have access to /6666
Look into Storm Conduit. I'm serious, these can be used as support boss killer spectres. With Raise Spectre -> Minion Damage -> Lightning Penetration alone (room for 1 more) and a 25 spectre gem, running 4 of these, they are dealing insane damage. I am running ranged AW which does about 1 million dps to bosses, but clears insanely fast with GMP. Now when you factor in Storm Conduits with the links + 4 of them, they are literally nuking bosses instantly. T16 map bosses die in 1 second from the burst. It's insane.
Hi, nice guides! Are these 2 necromancer builds tanky for bossing? Which one is better or tanky e
nought?
"Any hour now" Finaly ❤
Hahaha
Haha yeah it got a bit delayed >.
@@GhazzyTVYou can't rush art.
Are there any spectres that use attacks instead of spells? Wanna use my maata's teachings
I'm trying to make a new build on my DD witch I quit playing after beating the campaign this league. And was looking at minions for a league starter. Do specters die permanently? If so how can you keep them alive when fighting let's say Uber maven?
anyone know what a downside if i'm using guardian instead ?
oh, before I forget - Meat Shield Increased Duration Proximity Shield Spectres are Very Funny and can work well with the Spectral Leader's shortened uptime. The Prox Shield doesn't get 100% uptime but it's damn close
i will probably try to make caldera ravagers work. we shall see...
I maybe outdated, since i just yesterday started playing the game again after 3 years, but back in the day Lunaris Champions were absolutely insane.
And still are in my opinion, that's why i can't understand why no one is talking about them
I wish they would rework spectres so that more of them are viable. If I want to use deadwheels, or floating witches, or massive statues, or whatever, it should be viable.
Where i can find a list of all spectres?
I love your build and the wretched defiler, but I hated the petrified blood aura setup instead of skitterbots. I died a lot with it...
Where can I find the Arena master?!
why bothering to get war caller if arena master do the same and more?
because leaving the war caller, I could get another one, like the pale seraphin
but i dont know where to find this spectres
What about Empower?
cool
if those 4 utility if the best, why carnage chieftain in zoo written guide ?
why is noone talking about storm conduit spectre?
Can someone give me the run down on spectre sharing? When I go to a players hideout am I meant to just cast desecrate?
yes and hold A and hover over corpses til you find the ones you want. Keep desecrating and checking.
@@shanebovell6733 Thanks for the reply! Just what I needed to hear :)
Arena master sucks for non permanent minions lol, its buff isnt an aura like spectral leader so if your minion dies it just goes away, no idea why its rated so high.
also btw wretched defilers do 80% less damage to closer targets, which is why thier damage seems so low but thier numbers are so high, if you want the giga dps lightning specter go with storm conduit from the league mechanic instead
Arena master sucks in general IMO, he buffs for 4 seconds with 12 second cooldown, the uptime is bad, there are many other spectres that have nearly perma uptime of buffs/debuffs, no need to use Arena master
@@SeekNeoi thinks its uptime gets obscured because its run in poison builds that sometimes giga boosts malevolence, which in turn gives a lot of skill effect duration, but yea it sucks in general lol.
but what is the storm callers uptime on their dps?
last i looked they have a pretty long cd on their death laser, and the wretched defilers actually space themselves from their target to maximize dps btw, so that part isnt as important as youd think. it only matters when your trying to get spectral leader buff on them as well to group them all up together away from their target. I would probably say that storm conduit is probably better for pure bossing, but also they are way less tanky too, so they would perform worse in mapping were degens and such are much more prevalent and would melt them way faster.
"Approach" counter :
Will you use the new spectre helm?
he already is
Am i dumb or hows 3*1,2=3,6 more than just 4 spectres?
Where do u find Moondancers
Thats my question too my guess is all flames?
@@dimitriasimov356 yea but which all flames so I could buy
Is anyone have fps issues when using moon dancers as ots the only time my pc struggles
Yes...moon dancer makes 5 fps when u link with greater volley and minion speed and spell echo...
Unplayable so i switched to crushclaw.
where do you get moondancers?
League mechanic, the one with the tattoos
Can someone point me which spectres should i get for 9 spectres? i m lost
1 spectral leader 8 defilers
Im stupid and new, how do i access this chanel to ask someone for these spectres?
/global 6666
how do i get the moondancers?
go 6666
Hey Guys My English is To Bad What is the best Spectre?
The cultist warrior spectres are amazing! You can get one by using an all flame of ember. They summon frogs but the main thing good about them is that they summon skitterbots that use different curses. I identified one as temporal chain but couldn't identify the other, it looked like vulnerability but not entirely sure. Also, the lunar turtle is great as a chilled ground dropper and it uses a freeze breath, tidecaller uses a wave that stuns enemies.
Update: The other curse it casts is enfeeble. One skitterbot casts enfeeble and the other casts temporal chains.
thank you so much, friend! are the skitterbots which summoned are permant? So i can drop skitter bots on my setup gem
@@gosubye_bye5185 they aren't but the cultist warrior summons them periodically and they last for a long time.
Going to make a Tawhoa Shaman Covenant Setup... I dont like the defiler... their AI is Janky but yeah a lot of proj is really cool
WARNING: Moon dancer KILLS FPS. If you have an older PC (Like I do) DO NOT run them (3 Of them tanked my FPS from 50- 60 to 5-10...not fun). Quick question: Would perquils toe work for Bama with Voltaxic rift?
Perquils Toe work with clones if they are in range of effect. Especially good with Volatility support
i also have a ton of issues with performance now in poe that I didn't have before but I am currently running 3 in act 10 and have no fps issues on my 1070, 8700k with 16gb of ram.
@@shanebovell6733Running a 1060 6GB, Ryzen 5 3600 and 16 gig ram and Its unplayable for me with 3
@@art5734Hmm good to know but "Nearby" tends to be a bit of a shit word in poe so im sticking with Juju. Thanks for the answer, wasn't sure if the conversion wasn't making the effect 0
@WalterWhite-jz7ct I feel like there's a setting or. Gimmick to it considering I have better rain and gpu and cpu than most and 2 lowers my fps and 3 fully kills it
could you clarify where one can get the moondancers and spectral leader? i am in SSF so i cant ask someone else and i cant find any information on this :(
Moondancer is from one of the allflames that drop tattoos, dont know which one.
Spectral leader is in one of the new t17 maps
Spectral leader is a mob from T17 map as was mentioned in video, moondancer can be found with "allflame" of the arongohonui tribe, the tattoo one
thanks guys hope i can pass by one of these soon since i just reached maps
Spectres are easy to keep alive in the Popcorn SRS build because your SRS are constantly exploding and healing your other minions back to full (with the mastery)
true i think this is more geared twds wraithlord helm tho
Not sure how spectral leader as 4th spectre is more dps than another wretched defiler. 20% action speed buff is literally 20% more damage. Going from 3 to 4 spectres is 33% more damage. Unless you're running them in a zoo build of course.
25% more actually... But yeah, you shouldn't need to get a spectral leader until you have five spectres. Which is easy if you dual wield midnight bargain. 😊
@@MephistonO No. 3 to 4 spectres is 33% more.
I miss operatives. They just need to bring them back
One thing I find weird is that, for me, the Warcaller keep dying a lot. Why specifically this one ?
If you look on poedb you can see what the stats for all the spectres are. Warcallers have 0 inate resistance to everything which means you need to invest quite heavily into minion all res.
@@Tankilein Ok, thanks for the info. I'm probably gonna grab the Pale Seraphim instead and get the warcaller later.
so moondancer is the best for DD?
hahah, i am dying bro. You a bit tired at 5:38 ? poe life is hard
No word on Moondacer + Bitterdream as the best level combo?
It is 100% best level combo.