My best friend actually has some wild stories from his time at an RTC, in the RTC he went to there was this one girl who was just a complete badass and she was only like 10, there was this one douchebag who once told another girl at the rtc that it was her fault she had been raped, this 10 year old badass took it upon herself to absolutely beat the shit out of this dude, he also had some real weird and confusing stories, apparently the staff had some sort of medicine they had to administer whenever patients were deemed a threat to themselves and/ or others, now this specific medicine had to be administered rectally via an enema, and that fact lead to some of the staff and patients calling it boots juice (I'm probably telling this story all wrong) (it might have actually even been only one specific patient who had to have the medication administered this way, I honestly can't remember the details) also they wore velcro shoes because some kids tried to hang themselves with the shoe laces and there was one kid who assaulted a staff member and actually managed to cause them sort fairly serious injuries by swinging a shoe at them while holding onto the laces, also you have to take every story my friend tells with a grain of salt because I can say from first hand experience on multiple occasions he is a habitual liar
I'm sorry to hear about your experience, but as you might know, there's a great deal of mental health issues these days that might require involuntary participation. I'd be interested to hear your ideas about what it would take to make such treatment effective while also being humane. Being a fair bit older than you, I remember asylums and why they closed them, but I also don't think emptying these people onto the streets was a great solution. Thanks again for sharing.
@@shadowzeraora7459 Sedating a child!? Like, how is that meant to help you cope? Always a trend with these places. Just looking for a power trip and a quick buck so rather the child be knocked out than deal with em.
And that's supposed to be for mental health. I guarantee you not being able to contact anyone, friends of family makes your mental health drop greatly. Humans are social creatures.
@@SkamosTheDruid let's be both happy that he didn't get that kind of Idea for ya. ^^ I'm in no positiion for Judgement just wanna say don't let him win like this, cuz your life would be ruined and he'd be too dead to care about his. Take care and have a lovely week, hun
I was in-patient twice and I would bet money that a random team at starbucks would do better as staff of a mental health facility than people that work at a mental health facility (the ones I went to). They were worse than incompetent.
It was the same at the place in oklahoma i went to. One of thr staff members was literally a stereotypical teenage babysitter who just stared at their phone all day and whenever they DID speak to us it was to flaunt their superiority complex. The therapist was like this too. It was like they didnt even see me as human.
I can't believe this horrid shit is legal. This whole "therapy" system should be considered child abuse. I would have never forgiven my family if I was sent to a place like that, and probably wouldn't be around anyone in all honesty.
Yeah, I know one I was in, quite a few years back, where one of the other kids had his arm broken in two places by one of the staff when another had spit in his face and threw a clipboard at his head all because he called her a bitch (which she was a massive one; not sure how she managed to keep her job...) but yeah that was traumatic to see firsthand.
When I was inpatient, one of the staff threatened a patient who he had to put in a chokehold. He said something along the lines of "I'm not afraid to kill a patient, this job doesn't pay me enough". And now I hate behavioral health hospitals
It's astounding how someone could even love their parents after getting betrayed by them like this. Imagine your parents calling someone to take you in the middle of the night without you knowing it. It's strange to think a parent would give permission to someone to kidnap you.
In the UK parents don't care about their kids and either treat them like crap until they bully innocent people/commit crimes or just sell them to a kidnapper
@@rhael42 no kidding... quite often if a child is abused by their parents, they will seek out an abusive partner because that's what the definition of love feels to them.
I sit here at 41 years old and find myself insanely grateful that torture like this was outside of my parents' price range. What I have heard described this evening is psychological abuse intended to force a child to conform regardless of everything else. It is completely beyond me how any parent could convince themselves that betraying their child's trust was going to do anything to repair their relationship or fix the situation. We don't treat violently psychotic adults so callously.
it's usually 1 of 3 camps. camp 1: the ones who genuinely think this will help. camp 2: those who seek to force their ideals onto their child. camp 3: haha trauma go brrrrrrrr (parent just wants their child to suffer, cause waffles.)
Honestly stuff like this should be illegal. I’ve never heard the tale of a good mental hospital. The fact that parents can literally hire people to abduct their kids and take them to these places, not only without their consent, but without their knowledge and in the middle of their fricking sleep is a bit terrifying and will probably make me paranoid for the next week. Why the absolute hell is this allowed?
Because the west is not filled with many truly completely pro FREEDOM people who work with or against their countries if, at all even 1 country like America especially. Given how people violate the constitution like hell!….
I believe that's because of the laws that effectively make you a legal slave to your parents until you turn into the age that is legally recognized as the age of consent either through international doctrine (i.e The Geneva Convention) or through the country's own laws (in my country that's 16 years of age). EDIT: I say "age of consent" because after you reach that age you are legally recognized as a young adult and can enter the workforce without legal repercussions on the company and/or your parents.
@@clonechoopa31 Yes. This is 100% child abuse though and should be very, very illegal. I’m not that easily angered but this has extremely high piss me off potential.
Why is it allowed? I would say for the same reason CPS exists and does what they do. In concept, it seems like a good idea that could help some people...but the way it is executed and implemented it's an absolute failure of an idea that does more harm than it does good, but all that just gets swept under the rug.
FINALLY someone speaks up about this. I was a patient in one that would damn near OD you on your meds if you acted out like every time you act it out or had an episode if you were schizophrenic they would be like okay he needs more medicine to the point where people were coming right back after they left from side effects from whatever pill they were already on
dude, my dad punished me at one point, at home, and took away my privilege to electronics for a while just because i was too worried about my friends. they were suicidal and depressed and even not being able to check on them triggered a mental breakdown. i can't imagine what treatment would've been like.
There was a mental institute that I went to for trying to commit suicide, and it made me feel more suicidal because of how abusive some of the staff were, so I'm very grateful that you gave this guy a platform to speak about his issues with the facility he went to. When I was in the priorly mentioned mental institute they had a literal padded cell with a door lockable from the outside, and if a kid did something a staff member thought was even slightly annoying they'd try to piss them off so that they have an excuse to throw them into the cell. The worst part about the cell is that you would have to get a very painful injection of sleeping/calming drugs (I can't remember what the name of the specific drug was). But something that specifically happened to me is, I was drawing (the way I cope with my issues) and a staff member said it was too "violent" and I needed to talk to my therapist, the thing I drew was some kind of monster thing (no gore, no blood, nothing sexual, no violence, just a monster), then when I went to my therapist they made me write a fucking apology letter for using my coping mechanism. I also got my ass kicked a few times by some really violent kids, plus there was kids that would leave then come right back because the facility would fuck up their prescriptions then kids would become addicted to their new meds. There's a lot more I could say but I'm not trying to write an essay. Also parents couldn't press charges for physical abuse done by staff because when kids first got in they were forced to sign a contract. TLDR: Mental institutes are corrupt and I'm glad you helped this guy speak up, thank you.
So, essentially what they're doing is helping the 'sick' continue to catch the same illness over and over by putting them in the same place as others with that illness, but rather than giving them the very much available vaccine, they're just feeding them soup and saying 'get well soon!'?
As someone who was sentenced to "Special Ed" starting in 4th grade, none of this surprised me. Programs for mental health are just isolation programs to sweep problem children under the rug. I was stuck in a prototype program called Self Contained from 7th grade to 12th grade. During that time I was isolated from developing alongside my peers, and separated from everyone else. I didn't even take normal clases, I took like 3 person classes. It severely impacted my long-term self esteem, and emotional development. I'm 27 now, and I still feel set back socially, and developmentally because of that program. Only late last year did I get an apology from my mother for allowing them to do that to me, after she started working at that school and saw firsthand the environment I had to deal with. I thanked her for the apology, but I couldn't say I accepted it.
as someone who in 3rd grade to 5th grade who was in special Ed (Not very long ago) it was horrible. The "Aids" they had that were supposed to help were so bad at their job, I was gender queer and I wanted people to use she/her pronouns for me. this one aid always called me Him no matter how much I corrected him. Then there was my aid that I had in fifth grade, she was a bitch to put simply. she would basically breath down my shoulder watching every little movement I did making me tense, this caused me to one day yell at her to stop (I had asked her to stop multiple times) and her sent me to the principles office and I was suspended for a week. There was one good teacher in the program named Mr. V, Mr. v would talk to me when I was down and during lunchtime when I was eating in the "resource room" he would put on Star wars: The clone wars. And on my last day of fifth grade he gave me a Lego star wars keychain, he was the only good soul in that program.
I also was sentenced to "Special Ed" in fourth grade. I remember getting locked into the supply closet for hours at a time, getting into all kinds of fights. I went in several grade-levels ahead of most kids in language, and two grades ahead in math. Came out behind in most subjects. The classes were in a public school, so everyone knew you were spec ed, and since I was behavior...Yeah, kids were fucking awful. I got into so many fights in elementary. I still have no idea how many of those were my fault. 8 kids, 1 teacher, 5 EAs. They could double up on a kid to remove them. And they did...and for me, they needed to, usually 3 on 1. One advantage I had, I outweighed most kids by 50 lbs, and outmuscled most of the EAs...Since they had to hold back, and I didn't. This video's "Community Break" was her default response to a kid acting up, and it could last for the entire school day. I have SEVERE ADHD, and I have problems, to this day, keeping my mind out of fiction, out of my mental wanderings, because of how often she put me into the fucking room. There are...so many things I still struggle with. Trusting authority is really hard for me, and since they'd double up on me, any group of authority figures gets my hackles up. Instinctively, I do the opposite of what I'm told, and it's a conscious effort to go along with it, even if it's for my own good.
I mean if you consider literally any type of punishment to be torture then yeah I guess you could call this torture, but for most people a time out is in a completely different realm from actual torture. For example some of the kids that get regular beatings from their parents.
At 20 I was forced into a psych ward the day after my birthday. Everyone swept it under the rug yet a patient forcibly took my v card. Even caused me to fall pregnant. Nobody gave me my birth control or plan b. I continued to be shamed till I was shunned into silence inside the ward and by family outside of it. The incident regularly brings nightmares to this day and yet I know someone would report me and I fear goin through more trauma because others think they know what’s best yet only make it worse
@@wellidontknow1941 I been going through life, but still have to carry that on my back. It’s hard to feel romantic interest and even harder to feel sexual interest. I end up thinking I’m truly unlovable and all I’d be good for is to be useful to whoever needs me for whatever I could provide. I hope one day it gets better but I’m still surprised I survived this long and still yearn to let go and see what’s on the other side
That is horrible, I'm so sorry that happened to you, you shouldnt feel ashamed for that because it wasnt your fault, you are awesome and strong, I'm glad you are still here, it'll be ok, I'm so sorry that happened, if you want to vent about it you can always vent here
My biggest fear as a mentally unwell person is being put into a mental hospital. Especially where I live (abuse against children goes basically unnoticed, even if the kid has physical injuries.)
You in the UK? I am, and they aren't fine with black or Muslim people like me, but they're fine with r*pe, *child abuse* and other disgusting things (they don't arrest people for that)
Bro someone in my school was black and he was abused because of his skin colour for the whole school day then the police was called on him too. Guess what??? The English students were laughing about it, and the staff who abused him are still loved.
My mom keeps telling me that she wants to get rid of me almost every day and I think she wanted to send me to a place like that (I didn't go, but I cried my eyes out many times, and I'm sure it took like half an hour to stop crying and panicking once). Edit: removed a useless comma
@@FyWy_ It generally doesn't matter what the a child wants when it comes to a parents decision that they think is best for the child. The parents have the final say since they are held responsible for the child and all.
What he went to wasn't a "mental hospital". Those are completely different, public institutions which have their own issues (other commenters have described things like keeping people heavily sedated with medication 24/7.) What this person is describing is, as he says a """"""treatment facility""""" which are part of something known as the "troubled teen industry" which are privately run, and operate essentially completely unchecked, unlike mental hospitals which have at least some degree of oversight. Mental hospitals also don't do the kidnapping thing. That's not to say mental hospitals are good, but it is important to be aware that these places are a different kind of institution. Parents pay a lot money to send their kid to these places, and they can do this for literally any reason. They are often based on ideologies like Scientology and Mormonism. Also these places are essentially designed specifically severely traumatize children and mold them into severely emotionally blunted people who are willing to callously harm others as long as they follow the rules. It creates people so desperate for any degree of control in their lives that they will seek to control others. We can see this with the video, as they describe bullying a person with such glee, who was likely acting out in violence specifically as a result of the trauma being in that place caused in the first place.
He _did_ say it was in Utah. And between his descriptions and your comment, it almost sounds like Junior Boot Camp, where they're trying to build the foundations to turn them into soldiers that have no life beyond the military and whatever the CO tells them to do.
A. ‘Mental hospitals’ are not all publicly owned; most of them are attached to for-profit hospitals. B. There used to be long-term mental hospitals but insurance companies refused to pay for them so most of the long-term programs like this one were closed down. C. This sounds exactly like my experience in a long-term mental health facility when I was a kid right down to the levels and how the days were planned out. The obvious difference is probably that these centers have far fewer well-trained staff and less medical professionals working there. This is very much a modern mental health facility that is treated as some sort of ‘summer camp’ for kids that parents don’t want to deal with, staffed with people who probably have no business being in charge of anything having to do with children.
It may be run on those ideologies but I am Mormon and the fact that one of these centers could exist under my ideology is downright horrifying that people could interpret everything that way. I feel sorry for anyone that was abused or hurt by those treatment centers and people that have gone the wrong way in life. I’m not saying that Mormonism is bad I’m saying is that bad apples exist in every community and I am not denouncing my religion just saying that I don’t like the fact that these treatment centers can exist under my ideology. Sorry if I offend anyone I don’t want to offend anyone ever.
@@kettleshot6044 Even when Joseph was still alive, people were taking his teachings wrong, never mind when he died. And there are always people who will use any excuse to do what they want. Just look at how many polygamous groups there are, even though it's been outlawed in every way since President Woodruff's time.
As somebody who had strict parents: All this 'treatment' did was deny these kids self-determination until they became adults, so now they have no practice choosing things for themselves. I'm 31 years old and _still_ trying to fill that gap in my own life.
It may not be THAT exact type of therapy, but when I was diagnosed with Autism as a kid, my mom was offered various therapies for me. And now looking at how ABA works, I'm SO glad my mom listened to her gut, and didn't send me to any weird therapies. Like, my mom wasn't even educated on that topic. It was just her gut telling her "Nah, that's wrong. Just treat your daughter with the same love as a neurotypical child, and don't do any of these offers." btw, my mom told me very recently that she self diagnoses herself as autistic. When she listened to my psychiatrist diagnosing me, and telling her all my symptoms for Autism, she was thinking: "Damn, that's literally me. That explains so much about my childhood, and my now adulthood."
Calling it a “fake world” is a perfect description of what in-patient mental hospitals are like. I’ve never had to stay in one long term but the first time I ever had to go to one it was like a week long and it just felt so weird. You are constantly treated like you’re going to spontaneously explode or something, there was absolutely no metal or any type of strings or shoelaces (they used to be but someone tried to harm themselves with said item so it got taken away completely) there’s no shoes so everyone is just walking around in their socks, and other stuff. I’m thankful I’m in a better place now and I don’t need to go back.
the "Real world" is FAKE too FAKE money FAKE not backed by gold its debt and fiat fake jobs fake news fake fake fake world is so fake and becomming more fake. even jesus warned aobu tthe fakeness of this world.
This sounds exactly like where i went. I was taking my best behavior so i could get out the earliest possible (3 days). No pencils, pens, or colored pencils, just crayons and markers. Beds are made of rock and blankets are practically sheets. I can at least say the food was better than a public school, which is really depressing.
These facilities need to be either outlawed completely, or have A LOT more stringent regulations placed on them. Thankfully I've never been to one myself, but there are more than enough horror stories of "troubled teen" centers and even gay conversion centers that are just...allowed and even encouraged to literally torture children. I don't know who in their right mind would think any facility that thinks it's perfectly reasonable to stage kidnappings is a sane and safe place to send anyone, let alone a kid. I'm glad more people are speaking up about these things. Kids are seriously injured or killed in places like this and parents still send their kids there. It absolutely needs to stop.
I wonder if these places are kind of designed for this, like they fuck up the kids as much as possible while they are already dealing with a lot of stuff and then by the time they are adults they are either way too damaged to seek help or lack the social skills to do it
@@airplanes_aren.t_real I speak from experience when I say those places fucked me up all the more. Before it was just depression, now it's a whole slew of labels that got slapped on me
I don’t even understand how this stuff is legal. Mental hospitals are often so bad that at least for me, my mom literally uses them as a threat. She said she would fake a suicide note from me and send me away if I “don’t stop being annoying”. The worst part was that she knows I had bad suicidal thoughts and has literally told me to jump one time. Yet another reason why so many people like me with mental issues are scared to ever seek help. Mental illness isn’t an excuse to take away people’s basic rights.
@@Azeal I definitely think that we need to raise more awareness to that. I genuinely think America is a great country but that means that I will stick with it to try and make it better.
I can relate. I'm also a type 1 diabetic, with depression ect. But I'e never been in a ward, the way my family deals with my stuff is pump me full of meds, and belittle me enough to I want to take my life, attempt it, fail at it and stay submissive to them and be too anxious to leave them. I'm currently 28 and this has been going on since I was 6 years old. I was diagnosed with diabetes at 18 and I almost died because my dad wouldn't listen to me. Luckily, in high school I met my only friend that still to this day continues to be my friend and my support system and without them I don't think I'd be here today.
I’d like to thank you to the person that talked about their experience with this. I would like to share my own story at Del Amo Hospital. [Huge tw] - self harm, sensitive topics, etc. As a 14 year old that has been self harming ever since I was 9 due to family problems and self esteem issues, I was admitted to a mental hospital a few months ago, yes, very recent as of today. For my backstory-My family is very strict, I can’t hang out with friends outside of school, I can’t wear my own things that I want, and I can barley have any privacy at all, they abuse me emotionally and even physically sometimes. I’ve also been groomed by a 23 year old and dated him for 9(?) months, and i’ve also been into plenty of bad relationships, but not as bad as that. How I got into the mental hospital is, I was with my boyfriend and we were waiting for my mom to pick me up, we were talking and he came only to hug me, but when my mom picked me up, she saw everything and proceeded to get pissed at me. Like, very pissed. Of course, she has her reasons, and they’re completely valid, but how she said everything to me, it came out horribly. For example, this is one of the things that hurt me the most. “You’re too much for me to the point where I want to kill myself.” I felt so unloved for years and for her to say those things, it broke me. I cried so much, and the day after, I had to go to school again. She was texting me again during my classes and I was pissed at her, I tried talking to her and standing up for myself, but she just wouldn’t listen. I cried, and my teachers saw that. My homeroom teacher told me to go to a bathroom with a friend to help me calm down, but I cried during the next class again because she just wouldn’t stop texting me. My teacher, who i’ll call, Ms. Mary, she was like a second mom to me. She comforted me and wrote a note asking what was wrong, and I told her everything. I mentioned the abuse going on, my self harm issues, and past relationships, and after that class, I felt better. It was nutrition after that, and I forgot everything after. But at lunch, I was with my boyfriend, and he told me that Ms. Mary was outside looking for something or someone, she wouldn’t be outside so I found it unusual but I brushed it off. During 7th period, my last class of the day, I got called into the office and I went without any questions. There was two therapists and my school counselor waiting for me there, and stuff happened, they questioned me, blah blah blah-but at the end, they told me they had to tell my mom about this. I was paranoid, and I kept telling them that they shouldn’t, but they wouldn’t listen. After that, I got picked up by my uncle, and 10 minutes after, there was police outside my house. My mom called me, saying she picked up the phone from school late, and it was about mental health awareness and stuff like that, she questioned why and she was panicking because she knew about my self harm (but keep in mind, she never helped or comforted me.) It was bad, one police man came to speak to me, and he had to check my wrists for a welfare check since my mom wasn’t answering, she was at work at the time. During third period, the period after I told Ms. Mary about everything, I took a pencil and started scratching my arm. The police officer saw the marks and thats when he called my mom to come over and other police officers, my mom couldn’t speak to me, and the police took me away. They handcuffed me, and put me in the car while I cried and begged them if I could stay, they didn’t listen. Keep in mind, I was only 13. When I got to the hospital, they took my handcuffs off and left me there, there was other kids there, and I saw people keep coming in and out. There was a specific one, she was strapped down onto this bed thing?? but there was bad cuts on her arm. After they bandaged it, she told me that everything was going to be okay because I was still crying after an hour of being there. It was already night, and the doctors put me in a room to do a body check, they were both female so I was okay with it, I guess. But they were really old, one was most likely in her early 30’s and the other late 50’s. They stripped my clothes off and checked my body, they questioned when I put the deep cuts on my thigh, the recent scratches on my arms, what I did it with, and why. You get the gist, I was supposed to stay for a week, but I only stayed for 5 days because I pretended I was okay because I missed my family so badly. Everyone could talk to them only two times a day, or when the parent would call and ask to check in with them. The whole place was a hallway with rooms, there was the playroom (main room) where we did our activities, and the other rooms for the kids who were staying (9-17 year olds, all females), there was also a yard where we would go outside to play, and there was a cafeteria there. The whole place felt isolated, there were windows but the glass was so thick that you couldn’t see the outside world, you could only see the light, but not as much since they were tinted. For the kids I met, I still talk to some till this day on social platforms. One of them were new and her arms were completely covered with cuts, another one had hallucinations, one tried committing suicide because of school bullied, and the one who comforted me when I first got there, she had horrible anger issues, she has a son at 16, and her self harm was bad. The entire place made me feel like I was sick, I mean no offense to the kids who have gone to mental hospitals before, or the actual one i’ve been to, but I think you all know what i’m talking about, if you have. It makes you feel like shit, they treat you like you’re a kindergartener, they even called you mentally unstable. It was bad, we also had a schedule, where it was the same thing on a daily basic, except the only thing was, there’s some kind of event thing every saturday where there’s animals that you can pet? I don’t know myself, because I was only there for 5 days. (Monday - Friday) For the place where the person in the video was in, the punishments were horrible, and we never had that happen to us, but they were lucky because they had their own devices (ipods) where we were just stuck coloring, doing activities all day. There is a tv, but they barley turned it on and we barley had music playing, it would usually be crowded and noisy though, that when I finally got out, every single loud noise startled me, or when one of my friend’s decided to scare me, i’d have a small panic attack. But back to the mental hospital, they prescribed me anxiety pills, that I couldn’t even take because I was allergic to them?? I don’t know, but my mom didn’t allow them to put me on any medication while I was there. Speaking of my mother, she tried to understand me for a week after I came back, but since I felt like my family only cared because I was taken away, it caught their attention. Most of them, when they found out I cut myself, they told me to cut my entire arm off if I wanted to bleed that badly. I was called emo for it, and when I told my experiences to my friends, I think people were listening in because the majority of everyone I knew (my classmates, who I’m not friends with) knew about it and called me depressed. They never talked to me for the entire year, so I didn’t either. The sad thing is, I could’ve actually been good friends with everyone there because I matched their energy. But after I got back home from the mental hospital, I thought things would be better now because my family was brought to the attention that I was depressed, my mom took it as me being an attention seeker. I have therapy now, but i’m forced to lie about it because it would get worse for me. My mom forbids me from going anywhere at all now because she’s “worried” that the police would be watching out for me wherever I am, since there’s still a case going on, she doesn’t want my friends getting involved, interviewed, or knowing about what happened to me. It honestly makes me feel like shit, I mean, whenever me and my mom would get into arguments, she’d tell me she’d put me to the philippines so I would get beaten there if I didn’t listen, or she’d talk about me being an attention seeker. She’d even tell me that the only thing i’m good enough is cutting myself, but I just have to live like this now. Constantly lying to a therapist, having to hide my feelings away from my own mother, and that’s all i’m going to have to do now. I hate it, especially because i’m going to highschool now in just a few days for the first time, I don’t feel prepared and I’m scared i’ll get even more pressured considering the fact that i’ve been pressured ever since I was in 4th grade. But anyways, thank you for reading my comment. I hope you don’t have to go through everything i’m going through, honestly, the entire situation traumatized me and ever since it was a few months ago, I still feel like i’m constantly being watched by the eyes of doctors, and it’s scary. It’s really scary, especially since i’m this young. I don’t know how anyone can deal with this, so many other people have it so bad and for me, being only 14, i’m horrified on what’s going to come in the future. I still have my whole life ahead of me, and I already feel like I screwed everything up. Please, take care of yourself. I don’t want any of you all dealing with this.
Please try to survive and have someone trutworthy to talk to. or contact outside to survive emotional . And your mom is just abusive. Take care of yourself. And is the therapit answering toyour mom, which must be messed up:(
At this point, Azeal might be one of the objectively "best" youtubers, the videos are educational, entertaining, and diverse, not clickbait, not full of ads, and just provide a new perspective on life.
Aight, the kid liked video games and had trouble remembering his meds? So they send him to what amounts as a gentle "troubled teen" camp!?! Seriously, this guy needs to go no contact ASAP.
If I was there I wouldn't stop screaming on the prison staff on how unethical their treatment is... Okay maybe not screaming, they're just employees, but still, I wouldn't shut up about demanding my immediate release against said violation of my human rights, idfk care, 16 yo is enough to vote, and so is to decide if I'll be locked up for "treatment" or not... Saddly tho, these places are ultra corrupt, so my logic and arguments would prob fall into deaf ears...
@@richardmackendrick4342 I wouldn't say it's bravery... It would be pure desperation, imagine the sensation of injustice of being jailed because of a hobby... And by your parents nonetherless... Can't be in peace after such injustice... I just hope i could be smart about it, but given the situations of these corrupt af institutions, I doubt it.
As a type 1 diabetic, let me tell you: the whole "forgetting his meds" thing is a _HUGE_ deal. Like, you could end up killing yourself on accident kind of deal. Like lose your eyesight after too much forgetting your meds kind of deal. Like suffer hearing loss from too much forgetting your meds kind of deal. Insulin is a hormone your body produces for basic life functions, you know, like processing food completely. T1 diabetics have to mimic the human body's natural production of insulin 24/7 (there are a variety of ways to do this, and a few options for how reactive of insulin you need for that treatment) to just keep living. Before synthetic insulin invention, people were given a year at best to live after diagnosis if they were denied anything with a carbohydrate in it at all. _A. Year. At. Best._ It's not really fair to cut skipping insulin down to just the phrase "forgetting his meds" when he was in astounding danger when he didn't take his insulin. I wouldn't say it would be unreasonable under those kinds of life-or-death circumstances for his parents to panic and try to get any help they could. A treatment center? Not what I'd recommend, but some turd of a "professional" recommended it over therapy that would actually be helpful for coping with an incurable, life destroying, serious disease and a technology addition.
@@YourWaywardDestiny Yeah but like... that's irrelevant to if he's, like, "crazy" xD A treatment center isn't just what I "wouldn't recommend", it sounds completely unrelated and bonkers. Sending him to an institution for over a year because he's *forgetful?* It doesn't matter how big a deal the consequences are, that doesn't mean he belongs in this kind of place lol.
As much as I wish I could talk to people about my problems, the fear of being locked up in a place like this reinforces me to keep my mouth shut. Nearly got thrown in one of these places because I made the mistake of trusting a school counselor that called my parents. The first that came is, for the lack of a better word, a very manipulative, two-faced, batshit crazy school teacher that carries the "perfect angel" image in other peoples eyes, and was going through a long overdue divorce after about 7 years of nonstop fighting. They turned that counselor and Vice Principal on both me and my other parent when they showed up with their usual act, making it look like my other parent was Satan incarnate and that everything I said came from their mouth. The counselor was in the middle of talking about shipping me to one of these places when my other parent came and pulled me out that day. Luckily the one who picked me up talked the other down, but it was early in the year, and it followed me for a long time after.
Ya know, I didn't realize why people refused to talk about their mental health until I got sent to a psyche ward. Before then, I was fine with talking about my problems, but now? Fuck no. And that same reinforcement sticks with me on a spiritual level.
I made the mistake of talking about my mother abusing me and my sisters (physically and emotionally) since as long as I can remember to the school nurse when lockdown happened and I was locked in. I regret it because it just caused pain, no help was given at all and I learned not to trust people so easily (just made abuse worse and got social services involved but they do nothing). Now, even though I rarely go a day without wanting to not exist, I will never say it to someone with that power over me. It’s not worth the risk, I’d rather die than be sent to a place like this.
@@arha13 Please stay strong, man. Take some moments to remind yourself how fascinating being alive can be. Look at the stars. Take pleasures in your interests. Stay safe.
When you get older, you can avoid involuntary commitment a lot easier and hopefully get real help. If you live in the US, it's helpful to know your state laws on involuntary commitment. Avoid going to any mental hospital even outpatient, because sometimes they can force you to stay overnight indefinitely. Try to always have a friend on the outside willing to fight them legally if you aren't released after an agreed-upon amount of time has passed.
I have been admitted to a suicide ward once for 2 weeks when I was 17. Ever since then I knew that if a cop ever showed up at my door and told me I was be committed again I would do everything I could to kill myself rather than go back to that hell. And if anyone got in my way, no matter who, I would remove them. Ever since that day I basically internalized everything and refused to talk to anyone except my therapist and psychiatrist about my problems. Sadly they were the ones that knew I was harmless and they refused to ever send me there unless it was a final option and they never believed I would need it.
Imagine blaming your own parenting on the child's mental health, as if that mental health wasn't a product of their childhood. If the kid is spending so much time playing video games, it's either because they really like it or they need _something_ to do with their time and the parents should try to engage with the kid.
@@bluesbest1 imagine sending your kid away because YOU allow them to play games 24/7. It IS a parenting issue. They could have sent the kid to a fun summer camp or something instead. A mental health institute is absolutely not the answer in this situation and it’s disgusting to pretend it is.
This is reminiscent of the Elan School with how controlling and abusive it was. For starters, all the euphemistic names should clue one in on how bad it is (i.e. "community break" instead of _solitary confinement)._ I mean, forcing people to divulge their punishments to everyone else, using forced isolation and revocation of basic needs to enforce compliance, corporal punishment, pitting people against each other, it's all abuse. Some of that would border on torture were it done to adults.
Your definition of abuse and torture seems somewhat skewed as it often is for young people in modern first world countries, apart from that one kid being assulted the place seemed rather tame, some people require this type of treatment.
@@GiRR007 solitary confinement on its own is considered torture and has been shown multiple times to cause PERMANENT severe psychological damage, even with "short" periods of confinement.
@@batfurs3001 Solitary confinement is no more torture than being imprisoned is, any sorts of psychological damage that has been speculated to have been develop are always drastically overplayed and almost never severe. Unless you think a time out is torture then solitary confinement isn't torture, its a punishment.
I was put in one of these for almost 3 weeks for depression and just because I faked being fine I was released early but because there had been 0 effort to actually help with mental health I left in just a worse state the thing is most of these facility's and to a certain extent the hospital psych wards just trap you in a cycle where you cant do anything you cant interact with the outside world and for someone like me thats a extreme introvert it just makes you feel worse because everything is about groups and most of the time they aren't actually helping you just get trapped there if your honest about your feelings because they dont care about helping you they just want to make a buck
Yet me recalling my abuse in an Oceans facility is invisible. They had skin cancer and were made to go in the sun, I was shitting blood and refused me access to a real doctor, I tried to file a complaint and was punished even more, I'm lactose intolerant and they would melt cheese on my sandwiches. 90% of the time they fed anyone it was corndogs where the batter fell off the dog and was cold asf, or frenchfries that were still white I was hit in the head so many times and they just watched, I kept an eye on the elderly when I was in gerry section since I'm disabled. They amount of times someone got of a wheelchair fell down and seriously got hurt was more than I could count. They get paid 200$ a day per head there, and get paid by state for every RX they fill. They denied me water to the point where they had to order an IV. So much more. Humans are a force for evil.
This video brought me back to a moment of depression in my freshman year of high school. I was having a hard time due to the pandemic, and it got to the point where I nearly committed suicide. (Thankfully, the few friends I had made early in the year gave me more reason to hold back.) When I brought it up to the therapist I had already been going to (due to a past attempt in 6th grade before moving to another state for unrelated reasons), my therapist and parents tried to get me into a mental facility. No response from one, and another said they wouldn't take me due to my age. We settled on just putting all of the deadly objects out of my reach, which was successful. When I think back to it now, what could have happened if I was put in a facility? I know I wouldn't be able to see my parents. But what if they took away my electronic access? That would have probably drove me towards the edge even more. These two people were the only lasting friendships I had made, despite only being a few months into the friendship. They were the ones that kept me away from the edge, because if they weren't there, then it would have been only two people (my parents) emotionally wounded by my choice. And then what about the meds? I wasn't good with medication at the time, because my throat just refused to let them enter my system. Medication would lead to resistance. Resistance would probably lead to more medication AND a longer stay. The cycle would most likely repeat endlessly. But at the end, it's important to remember that these were just possibilities for me. I came out with a fate much better than many others. (insert some sort of positive closing statement here because I can't think of anything to close this off)
You would have probably been fine in an institution, they heavily regulate the amount of items allowed into places like that so the chances of you even being able to hurt yourself would be pretty low.
@@GiRR007 the chances of committing suicide in a facility like that is low, like you said, but only because they don't allow you to have anything. I don't think they would've been fine--it would only make their mental health worse, and they'd either spend their life in there, suffering, or they'd be let go with even more suicidal ideation than before. Treatment facilities don't help
Even though I cried various times throughout the video because is a really hard topic, in the part he talked about that person with dysphoria I cried and had to take a break from watching the video, I have dysphoria myself and somebody forcing me to take off a sweater is like hell for me
It was hard for me as well. I knew the guy and I knew how hard it was for him, but I also think being his friend helped him through some things (I hope)
This reminds me of when I was in treatment at a place here in Texas called Sundance where the staff did alot of the same things even some punched a kid in the face. Luckily it was shut down because they were holding people against their will. So luckily nobody else has to deal with that place but like he said there's more out there that just make people's conditions worse
@@vaniillazilla it was in Arlington and from what it said on their website is they were permanently closed due to the amount of lawsuits they were getting
This entire story was super sad. I'm really glad you're doing okay, and I feel terrible for the things that had happened to you. Can't believe your parents just "gave up"
I spent 10 months in a co-ed campus where I experienced gaslighting and favoritism, to the point where my clothes were tearing from over use (even though i had new clothes to switch out, they didn't give me the "privilege" of changing my only 7 outfits for months at a time) and my confidentiality and trust was consistently broken by therapists and staff. One staff in specific was highly respected, and I still have nighmares about how she would laugh at me as she read back to me the essay she would make me write about "why i felt like I was better than everyone else in the house." She was kind and sweet to everyone else on campus, but then she would openly blame me for drama between residents, talk about me to my peers, and give me punishments that she didn't for other kids. She blatantly singled me out and destroyed any sense of self-worth and identiy i had, and she made me believe nobody would care about me if i wasn't breaking myself to please everyone else. I'm still recovering from the damage to my identity that woman and that facility caused. She got promoted a week before i left.
this is incredibly reminiscent to a place I was in for around a year as well, at the same age. it was on the other side of the country, and meant to isolate you from your usual environment. it never felt like a facility that was meant to help people. just a place to put you away so your parents don't have to deal with you anymore. I was supposed to stay there until I was 18, which would've been 3 years, but I got out early because of a suicide attempt. I was bullied there a lot, and that is hell when you are confined with a group of people and NEVER get to be away from them. when you are bullied at school, you can at least eventually go home. but there? there is no home, you are always stuck with them. the place I was in offered almost no therapy as well, it really was just a treatment center as a facade. the whole place had a single therapist who was meant exclusively for the staff, not the kids. edit: what's also important to note is that these kinds of facilities aren't "mental hospitals". I have been in a few of those, and at least here in germany they were generally fine, especially those made for kids. staff there would be usually at least competent to a degree and trained in psychology. I've also never encountered any violence there, which was abundant in this facility. a mental hospital is meant to treat you. these kinds of facilities aren't, they are designed to take you away so you don't cause trouble and no one has to deal with you, under the guise of treating you. and because they are made for children, there is nothing you can do about it. but I can tell you that this story definitely isnt uncommon.
at least here, from what I’ve heard, mental hospitals aren’t always good for treating people. i’ve heard so many cases of things like getting diagnosed with something like bpd for a suicide attempt/self harm and then not listening to them because ‘people with bpd are liars/manipulative’, forcing a kid to take a specific medication even when they told them that medication gives them seizures (and then getting angry when the kid has a seizure), giving kids way too high of doses as well as not giving them the meds that they were already taking that worked, i saw someone get some sort of injury (?) and they were completely told off until they had to be hospitalized for it, holding kids down and injecting medication into them if they refuse to take it (even if they have a valid reason for not taking it), locking kids in white rooms for acting out even if the thing they did wasn’t that bad (sometimes including drugging them beforehand), no privacy to the point where there’s no bathroom door and have to be watched while you go, etc etc. it goes on and on. that kind of stuff combined with most of the psychologists there being absolutely horrible, i’ve never heard a story from here of someone getting sent to a mental hospital here and getting better, most people here end up getting traumatized further and try to act as “normal” as possible in order to get out as quick as they can
I couldn't imagine staying a full year away from my family, My friends, (The internet lol), and just the outside world in general. Personally ive never been there but it sounds like you would go more insane from being there then getting better. I now see the perspective of the people that live in those places, or stay there. So now whenever I think or see people that live there I can feel sympathy for them, instead of judgement. Thank you for sharing this, it has opened my eyes.
Same. When I was younger I was so obsessed about how I looked that I constantly tried to exercise and push my body to its absolute limit. Ended up getting a number of stress injuries (thank god most of them weren't chronic). What they were doing to that kid was absolutely horrible. I hope the person who runs that place is put in jail.
I don't always understand my sister's fashion choices, but if someone had forced her to wear pretty much anything besides long sleeves and sweats, especially for extended periods of time, I would probably start a fight. She doesn't have dysphoria, just sensory issues, but it's still horrible that they would force a child into physical and mental discomfort as a form of punishment.
i am SO grateful that the mental hospital i was sent to was ok. the place i was sent could only keep you for a week. i was sent because i was so unstable that i probably wouldn’t have lived much longer. i was diagnosed and put on the correct meds there and i was able to get the help i needed. i can’t imagine going through something like this and it hurts my heart to know that parents send there kids to these kinds of places
Honestly if my parents threw me into one of those not only would I cut ties completely to them but find a way to fucking sue their life away cuz fuck you for sending a kid to such a hell hole. First I heard of it was from iilluminaughtii and just the fury that anyone would do such a thing. The staff should be sent the rest of their life to prison and the parent should too imo for child endangerment.
These kinds of things are why I'm so afraid of treatment. I don't want to be dragged away from my family, friends, and life to wither away in a room unfamiliar to me for months on end. If anything, that would make it worse.
Get a therapit that works. If you have to, th earlier the better, if you have, that things get usually worse, whatever. Ther are also online groups that echange eperiences and hopefully alternative and tips, at least. Patient informing is important. Especially if you are nervous and , there areonling groups An in a lot of ways, people dealing with it kno better too. woul look in groups.
I’ve been to a mental hospital, and on the day I was supposed to go home they had tackled me and said I’d never see my family again, I also arrived there at midnight and had to make a bed out of the chairs to sleep in until it was daytime until reception arrived. I had also witnessed somebody try to end themselves via eating a strip of velcro they’d ripped off the wall. From what I’ve been told it was not dissimilar to jail as we got one meal which we ate in our rooms, had to take daily classes, we where escorted from the lunchroom and back, we where locked in our rooms for most of the day, the hospital made you feel like you didn’t deserve a real life, I was only there for 3 days, multiple years ago, and I still cry when I think about that. Him going through this for a year makes me feel horrible, the fact that his mind hasn’t been shattered is honestly incredible, It also makes me feel better knowing that there are others that have gone through a similar experience.
It makes my stomach twist to know that stuff like this still exists. Children with mental problems or just any problems aren’t broken objects that need to be fixed. They are people, HUMANS that just need to be understood and properly taught social skills and prepare a bit more then other kids. Maybe instead of a away from home hospital. it should be more of a once a week school but a school that’s designed to actually help kids and give them social skills. and kids that need rehabilitation from drugs, mental health, and physical health. The teachers and doctors work with them in a positive manner, and allow their parents to be involved as well to help with The process. Setting goals, motivation, teamwork, and maybe a program that also teaches the parents how to be more understanding and patient with their child. I’m just tired of things like this slipping away I wish I could do something for the children like me :(
As a victim of a school that was like this, I will forever support people speaking out against this bs and horrid system. My family loved me genuinely and honestly didn't send me there with ill intent, but when the school became for profit, everything went downhill from there
The little kitty avatar is absolutely adorable and I love it, I also think it is wonderful that you are able to talk about your experience while most people either can't or don't.
This video really made me see how easy I had it when going to a mental hospital. Some things that other kids are forced to go through are just absolutely horrible.
I'm also a minor with type one diabetes, and I understand how hard it is to care about what happens to you while you have this immune disorder. It truly is an awful illness that isn't recognized as much as it should be. I'm so sorry you had to go through these things, that's never easy. i really hope you're in a better place now, just know that you are never alone and that people understand. Thank you!!
I can't believe that in a mental hospital of all places, the staff set up a bloody rigid *class system* that dictates the rights of each patient. That just sounds like the perfect setup for abuse of power.
I am too autistic to do group therapy. My brain is working overtime to process what everyone is saying and doing, and I literally blank out and cannot talk about myself. I once found a group that worked for a time, but everyone in it had mental issues, only 6 people and it was 2 hours long each week
@@ivythealiencat I also don't like talking about my problems to a group of people and I get nothing out of them listening to me. Nobody there was normal though, so I felt freer to talk. With 2 hours and 6 people, we all got a chance to talk, then got silence between each person so the next person could gather their thoughts. In a way it was a free therapy session a week for us. Now I just pay a lady who is a K-12 psychologist who works in the local school district for 2, 1 hour sessions a week. She not only understands my abuse, my autism, and her kindness and understanding help a lot. I am so lucky I found her and convinced her to see me twice a week on the phone, as me being home also makes me feel safer and more open. There has to be a right match for you if you can find it. Good luck and take care 🖖
I had to go to a more "Normal" mental health hosspital and I can confirm, most of the staff treat you like shit and then their is just like a few people who are going to be the coolest people you ever meet. But I feel for all the people who get stuck in there for long ass times, I didnt see that too much, the longest there was just over 4 months but reforn and regulation is really needed.
This brings me back to my childhood(im 44yrs old now). I was in an RTC for 4yrs. I was drugged,beaten, SA, starved, and mentally abused. Im so sorry you had to go thru that. Im proud of you for exposing this behavior of mistreatment in the mh/na type facility.
This is so sad but inspiring, you deserve a sub, goodbjob for Seb surviving all this shit and Goodjob on the interview! Also super glad I got to hear what dev had to say, I can see he has a good heart and he doesn’t deserve what happened to him, this could have all been fixed with a single supervised trip to a family therapist.
My girlfriend is at the mental hospital rn. I hope she's not at one like this. I'd never talk to my parents again if they did some shit like this I already hate them enough.
Mental hospitals are public, what he describes here are not a mental hospital which has its own issues. This is a "treatment center" within the "troubled teen industry". These are privately owned, run completely unchecked and usually has a religious/ideological focus. Most if not all of these are designed to traumatize teens to create emotionally stumped people who are willing to practice violence to gain a feeling of control. The goal of these centers are not to help people. These are cults with the goal to get money out of parents who should know MUCH better than to send them off or have their teen gooned to somewhere in the middle of fucking nowhere with little opportunity to contact the outside world. I don't blame anyone that goes no contact with their parents after living through such hell.
@@domo4938 Me too. I don't know much about the place and have had less and less contact with her as time went by. I'm hoping the worst isn't true at this point, but I have no way to know really.
I love your content. The anonymity provided by the avatars allows them to open their hearts and share their stories, while still providing a sense of interactivity and closeness. Bless you and keep going.
I knew a guy in high school whose parents sent him to one of these troubled teen things via the whole kidnapping in the middle of the night method. He had a lot of anger issues that his parents ultimately just didn't want to deal with. The people who took him didn't tell him what was going on and he didn't know until he was already on the flight. He dealt with it. Went through the whole program for about six months or so I believe. When he came back, his parents seemed to expect a whole new kid. Well, they got one because they were now dead to him. He told both of them when he turned 18 and could be on his own fully, he would never speak to either of them again. On his 18th birthday, he already had a place lined up to crash for a while. His parents hadn't really believed he would do it and tried to get him to talk as he was leaving. I heard indirectly that he told them both to go to hell and left. Don't know if he ever spoke to them again or not.
this hits home for me so fucking much...i was in a similar situation when i was 7, for less time (2 months) but it physically nearly killed me. i was forced into a treatment center at a young age for having imaginary friends. i was never allowed to see my family, go outside, have shoes, nothing. i took a boat load of meds to "cure me" (aka they got money for each pill i took). none of the meds were ever the same and the kids who misbehaved were pinned to the ground, their rears publically exposed as they pull your pants down and gove you a shot to make you sleep. my mother got a lawer and got me out. i had turned 8 while inside and when my family saw me, i was a week away from overdosing (doctor said so while i got a check up afterwards), having withdrawls of all the medication, extremely malnourished, scarred from countless belts they would tie around your wrists and ankles for the kids who refused to change their own bed sheets, i had lice and i was littered with bed sores. to this day, i have permanent damage like drug-induced tirets, ptsd, and attatchment issues....im in my 20s now and i still get sent into a horrid panic attack if i wake up under a tight blankets.
Azeal, I love you, and I love your videos, but god does hearing about these institutions make my blood boil. I was taken to a very light version of this in Southern California, and I cannot express how much my heart hurts for this guy and everyone else who suffers through this torture. It should be illegal, full stop. No treatment should be involuntary, especially for children. It's abhorrent and abusive, and anyone who sends their child to a place like this is destined for Hell.
Indeed, most everyone here thinks the same way, I’m concerned for me and my friends who have issues, you can’t just do this to literal children, if we want our children to survive and be happy with life and get help, this certainly isn’t it
This was my thoughts! Ignorance or no, these parents should go to hell!! If I met any of them, being spat in their faces would be the least they could expect.
I was in a system very similar to this except instead of a facility we were in the middle of nowhere in a forest doing what they called “wilderness therapy” listening to this brings back a lot of bad memories. Especially the “gooned” portion. That’s what we called it as well. I would love to share my story if possible.
@@movedaccountsbye I remember hearing stories from some of the others at the place I was. I can’t imagine the psychological trauma you went through. I got lucky and had a heads up warning. Even through I was lied to about what it would actually entail.
The worst part about this place I was at was that they also forced you to accept “a creator” in your life. It was heavily religious based. Which was even more traumatizing for me seeing as I am athiest and escaped an abusive religion myself.
Wow. I'm i my 30s now, but I was forced to go to one of those after a suicide attempt following me running away from home and getting caught. I ran away because I was being abused there. The facility I was sent into made everything worse, but in some ways was a relief even though I was given injections against my will to again, keep me calm. One kid was there, and way younger than me, suffering from hallucinations. The staff treated him very poorly, but we became friends. I never learned what happened to him later on. I never thought about it before now. I had repressed those memories. But I do hope that wherever he is, he is okay. Things like this should be illegal. That's all I can say without violating community standards.
@@toonikuh How rude. You took one look at it and decided to tell them their thoughts and story were too long to be cared about. If you didn’t read it or don’t care, then don’t comment.
Having Stayed In A Mid Term Psychiatric Center For 2 Months, Its Easy To Relate To This Guy. This Man Is A Trooper And I Commend Him For Going Though The Nightmare That Is The Mental Health System In Some States.
When I was young I was in and out of these kinds of facilities. Charters, Willow Institutes, and several out patient programs. I never experienced anything to this level of abuse but I can never forget the sense of emotional and mental pressure and oppression these places exude. This isn't to say they are all bad. Several of the ones I went to were really good. The major differences was in how the staff treated the kids. I remember a place but not the name of a program in Atlanta, Georgia that was really good. People there were incredibly nice, open-minded and really gave you the impression, even as a kid, that they wanted to help you not restrain you. When I got into a fist fight there they restrained the two of us, put us in solitary until we cooled down, and then...actually talked to us. As a kid with anger issues and a growing mistrust of authority figures it was nice to finally have someone who actually listened and was just empathetic even if they didn't agree. Vs the other places that would just tell you what you did was wrong, bad, -40 on your point sheet, busted to lvl 0, go to your room for the rest. In almost every where else when you got into a fight they would just man handle you into a solitary room, threaten to stick a needle in your ass, and then leave you there for the next how ever long. The psychs didn't seem to care, barely ever listened and only picked apart what you said when they did. And then throw in some half-assed platitude or suggestion. Staff in those places were just awful. You weren't a kid to them, you were a mentally unstable patient that could blow up at any second and they needed to be on guard for it, and they made sure you knew how they thought. I remember only one or two people in each of those places ever treated the kids like human beings, and like kids. It became very obvious who was there for a paycheck and who was there to make a difference. The one person at Willow who actually gave a damn wrote me a very heart felt letter when I finally processed out, I kept it until I turned 23 when I finally felt comfortable enough letting it go.
I'm so sorry this happened to you. I have also fallen victim to institutional abuse and medical neglect in the past under different circumstances but can still totally relate to this. I want you to know you're loved and deserve to be healthy!
The stories people share on this channel are amazing and opened the world up to me through so many different perspectives I want to thank the people for sharing these stories.
I’m a 23 year old male and I too have been in an RTC, actually two of them to be correct. I’ll straight doxx the facilities too. The first one was Star Guides and the second was White River Academy, both from Utah. Star Guides was wonderful. It’s wilderness therapy, so you get to be out camping basically for a few months. It really got me in shape and took me out of the world for a while. I honestly think I would have been better off if I’d have just went there and called it good, but my parents were convinced by the owner of Star Guides to put me in WRA because he was the head therapist there, so money for him no matter what. He was a great guy, don’t get me wrong, but WRA is a shady place. WRA ended up stealing $30k a month from my parents insurance money and when my mom found out, she called the owner of the facility and he basically said “you say a single word to any authorities and your kid’s gonna be kicked out of this facility, lost to the whims of Utah.” I was never gooned or anything, but my parents did lie by omission to me. I lied to them a LOT, so i guess I got what was coming to me, but they basically said “we’re gonna go do soem family therapy over near Vegas,” so in my mind I’m thinking “awesome! We’ll go hang out with my cousin Nick, get a couple hours of therapy with this guy out in Vegas, come back home, and everything’s gonna be great.” Nope. Utah. And apparently my parents had also informed Star Guides that i was a second degree black belt in Tae Kwon Do (not a lie, i really am) and they got their buffest staff to transport me to the campsite in case if i tried to beat the shit out of them and refuse to go. Before we left base, my parents and I split up to go to different rooms and this experience was WEIRD. Imagine doing a drug screening for a job, but a bar bouncer is next to the door waiting for you to piss in a cup. Very odd experience. But then they had clothes all laid out for me with hiking boots and they were all like desert color themed, which immediately made me think “okay now I officially know what’s going on. My parents are sending me to military school. Makes sense, considering some of the things I’ve been doing.” But then we get to this camp site and I’m officially confused. I had a great time though out there in the Utah deserts and wouldn’t change a thing if i had to go back. Didn’t learn a damn thing from WRA though. If you are a parent seeking advice on where to send your kids, PLEASE use my personal experience as a guide for where to go. Star Guides is for boys and girls. They keep them separated by like a football feild and there is next to no communication between groups. I remember Leo and Scorpio running into Gemini and the staff members kept reminding us, “no communication with Gemini.” We weren’t even allowed to speak between Leo and Scorpio, two MALE groups! It’s a great experience and your child will thank you in the end.
@@pennysantana247 What sounds awful? Camping in the wilderness? I mean yeah, i thought so too for the first few weeks, but once you get into the hang of it and you start studying the stars and learning how to make fire by hand and limiting your diet to like 15 different items, you start to enjoy the simplicity. I honestly wish I’d have stayed longer in the wilderness because of how much good it did for me. You know, we go so engulfed in the wilderness life that I figured out a way to make orange chicken with what we had. We had oranges, chicken cans, rice and lentils, some spices, and honey that I could use. You put the chicken broth/juice with some water and orange juice to make your rice in your cooking pot, then you take the can of chicken, cook that on the coals with some orange zest, honey, and lemon pepper. If you try it now, it won’t taste anything like the actual thing, but man does it remind you of home and restaurants and stuff. We also made dumplings with the flour we had and the chicken too. Hard to make, but they were SOOOOO good man hahahaha. On the flip side, the RTC i went to was basically a jail with a controlled form of gang dynamics with checking each other and having names for everything we did. Wilderness was 100,000x better
@@dedrxbbit7549 Not that. I mean being isolated with only a small group and never being able to even talk to anyone outside of it. Camping outside is a good experience in of itself. But being there with the same people? Maybe it's just me but being so isolated even when there are other people around, and having to deal with the same group 24/7 (especially as someone who gets bullied a lot) gives me intense anxiety
@@pennysantana247 okay i see what you’re saying. Think of them less as “small group of people” and more like a “tribe” in a sense. You get to experience all of this removedness with a tight nit almost-family of people. Sure, when you come into the group, you’re the outcast who is learning the ropes, but over time you find your place within the group. There’s typically about 5-10 people in said group, and there’s even a portion of your therapy when you spend time alone and can’t talk to your own group. It’s heartbreaking and yet freeing at the same time. It helps you realize that you can be alone without feeling alone. There are still people in the world who are dealing with the same struggles as you and yet you can still fight this struggle on your own. It’s empowering, not demotivating. Every fear you might have of being in that situation almost completely gets swept away within a month or two. Trust me. Ik what you’re thinking now, because I had those same emotions towards that experience in the beginning, but you come out of it refreshed. It’s kind of weird too, because when you come back to reality, everything feels off for a few days. You’re drawn back to the wilderness even though you’re back in a free world because the wilderness is what freed you.
Sorry, this comment is kind of long. Its not normally my style to comment on RUclips videos anyways, but this is something that hit so close to home that I couldn't just shut up. I went to a mental hospital when I was 14 because I was scared I was going to end my own life. I came to my mom in tears, and she suggested a hospital in the network she worked in. She's a registered nurse for a hospital chain that I will not name. I don't remember much of the screening, I was too much of a sobbing, shaking mess at the time, but when I came in, I was informed there was no beds available, and that I'd have to sleep on the couch in the hallway of the building that the teens were kept in. I was fine with that. I wasn't given a blanket or a pillow for the night I slept on the couch in the hallway. I couldn't even sleep due to the lights that were on and the constant chatter from the nurses. I was then made aware of something truly evil. There was a fight the previous night at dinner, shortly before I was admitted, and everyone was on lockdown in their rooms, with no group therapy sessions or anything. They had to write three pages on what happened, what they did wrong, and what they could do better next time. I was handed this assignment in the morning after being startled awake and having been held down by multiple people in the dark to take my blood when I had no idea what was going on. They got it into my head that something awful would happen if I didn't do what I was told, and by lunch, I was starting to panic. By the time I got the lunch, it was something you had to cut with a knife. They did not supply you with a knife because it's a mental hospital. I had a breakdown at that point. I'd already been in helpless situations with school and it was a part of the reason I was suicidal and it made it so much worse. I was stuck in the group room, not allowed to go out of it for any reason except the bathroom. The nurses refused to talk to me whatsoever, and I couldn't begin to understand what I managed to do wrong because I wasn't even present for something I was being punished for. I arguably had it worse than the other kids, because there was two to a room and you could talk to your roommate. I was not given this opportunity. I saw my therapist / psychologist around the afternoon hours, and broke down again, telling her about how I hadn't received any help when I was informed that I was going to, and all that happened was punishment for something I didn't even do. The therapist told me not to worry about that assignment, and she'd tell the nurses that I was exempt from it, like I should have been in the first place. I got a room at the end of the day, but that experience made me spiral back into depression, which I struggle with immensely. I couldn't sleep because the girl I was rooming with needed the lights on, and no one else wanted to switch. I took to sleeping during the days, and missed all the meal times. When my mom visited me in the hospital, and I told her that I hadn't eaten that day because I had no way of waking up on time for it, and I missed basically all the group therapy sessions except the one at night, she was absolutely livid. I rarely saw my mother get mad. She's a kind woman with the patient of a saint, but the fury in her eyes as she reprimanded a nurse for not doing the basics like making sure a patient was fed was a shock to 14 year old me. They wouldn't allow her to bring something in for me, so when she asked if they had anything up front, they gave her cheez-its. I checked out the day after because my mom basically slammed through the paperwork necessary to do so in a day, and even though it wasn't recommended, I was not getting the kind of treatment I should have been. I left a scathing review of the place on Google under this account two years later. I was so filled with rage at the reviews being only filled with praise that I saw red. I had been put in the equivalent of solitary confinement for over 24 hours for no reason, and was neglected due to my depression making me unable to get up and do things, and my roommate needing the lights on that were so bright you couldn't sleep if you wanted to. There is no positive to my stay. The therapist I saw afterwards because my previous one refused to see anyone that was older than 12 belittled the trauma I had there and subsequent traumas I suffered from my current abuser because she saw the same person and there was nothing I could do about it. It shattered my view of the mental health industry. I don't know how heartless you have to be to tell a crying child begging to know what they did wrong to basically fuck off and stop bothering you, but if it's in a mental healthcare facility, you should know better. I've had some pretty hard lows since then, but I would rather die than go back to that hospital. The trauma from the isolation and the blood draws still sticks with me to this day. I can't be alone for too long anymore without anything to do without an episode. I can't even do blood tests when I used to take on vaccinations before my little sister to show that it wasn't that bad. We, as a society, need to take a serious look at how we deal with mental health patients, and instead of treating them worse than you would with a criminal, treat them with the same respect you give a patient with a physical problem. The fact that I was a minor and didn't know any better at the time makes it all the more worse. If you're actively about to harm someone or yourself, and you've exhausted all other options, I still encourage checking into a hospital, but only if you can't do anything else, because your life is important. I'm so sorry that the interviewed person on this video had to go through such a horrible experience. My trauma from the 3 day hospital stay was from 2014, and I'm still struggling with the effects from it.
I was a staff at RTC for three months and I have nightmares of the abuse, and it wasn't as nearly as bad of a place as the kids told me they had been to before. They do not train you more than three hours. They do not do proper background checks on employees beyond making sure they didn't commit any crimes. Most of these things are done in utah because LDS has such a chokehold on everything there and makes it easy to cover it up. And the worst part? The children are almost never the problem. It's the parents. it's always the parents. Be it from not setting boundaries, to never being there, to flat out just thinking they can never communicate and just buy their child's love, then get angry when the child starts to become their own person. Parents who paid more money got the child more love and attention, compared to parents who paid bare minimum.
Hey man, thank you for this comment - if you want to add me on discord, we might be able to set up a time for you to be on a video, if you're at all interested. My tag is Azeal#0001, just shoot me a friend request. I'll be asking you to verify it's you by replying to this comment when you add me to make sure nobody else impersonates you.
"Living life trying to make every week different" is such an accurate way to describe it. I've been in two psych wards, and I made different origami things every day and even a pillow fort once. It was nice when someone had an outburst, a change of pace for the rest of us :/
Mental hospitals don't often don't understand their patients, but ESPECIALLY not their neurodivergent patients. Having something interesting to do will make anyone go crazy, but disorders like ADHD make it so much worse.
For me, I wasn't "gooned", I was told I could either go or they'd (the court) have it ordered and I'd be picked up by police. I of course thought that it was a joke, but no. The next day, the police were there and I (at 11 years old) was put in the back of a cop car and placed into a temporary foster care where I was abused and then moved on to a fully locked down mental facility. From ages 11 to 17 I was forced in an out of these "hospitals" where I only got more and more depressed and experienced more trauma that I had when I was free to be a kid... So I can relate man, I'm sorry you had to go through this, only a select few *actually* need to be in places like this
Ive been to three in patients for around 1 or 2 weeks each. The first one i went to was so fucking nice compared to the others which were just so garbage. The 2nd one i went to wasnt that bad, but was more like a teen prison than a mental hospital for suicidal kids. Im trans and there were two sides to the facility. The girls side, and the boy's side. They had me on the boy's side and put me in this room that had a lock from the outside, a camera in the corner, a bed that had one pillow and one paper thin blanket. That was all I got. I got there at around 10, and the staff had the lights on and were noisy throughout the entire night. I was so ungodly anxious throughout the entire night because I was scared somebody was gonna lock me in. The entire time, they had us in the main room area (we werent allowed in our rooms for too long anyways) and would watch this one movie over and over again. We had 30 minutes to go out to this other room area where we wouldnt even have enough time to play a game of monopoly. Other than that, we had lunch for an hour and that was literally it for the entire day. I dont remember if we got breakfast or lunch. Sometimes we had this gym time for 45 minutes which was sorta fun and 20 minutes of group therapy, but out of the entire 12 hours we were awake only 3-ish of those were spent doing things that actually helped us cope. The rest of the 9 were spent doing nothing but talking and maybe playing uno. The saddest part was is that we were talking to this one girl (she was on the boy's side for around an hour because she was leaving) who said she was going to leave to just commit suicide again. Or at least attempt to, and a lot of the patients talked about how they're just lying to get out because they didnt try to help. The staff gave you medication and left you out to fend for yourselves. This other trans kid ( 2 other trans kids came after me, we got a room on the girls side ) had withdrawls because the staff made them stop their medication that they've been taking for years to switch to this other one. The poor guy had to sit in room all day and couldnt eat shit. Once he was able to, he scarfed down 3 bowls of this pasta that we got at lunch and then threw it all up. Theres some funny stories though, I spent a dollar at the vending machine to get some popcorn and the staff put the damn thing in there for 5 whole minutes. Then they gave it to me and never gave me anything else, I gave it to this other kid who liked burnt popcorn. Also I remember those trans kids started toilet papering the ceilings because they were bored and had literally nothing to do. They got in trouble so they had to stay in their rooms all day and werent allowed to go anywhere else except for the cafeteria for lunch. Because theres punishments in a mental institute for... some reason.
They put you on the boys side because you think you're a girl just by identifying as one 💀 Your whole body and mind isn't going to change magically to a girl's one you know
I was in places exactly like that when I was younger. I remember one place had a table where they strapped misbehaving children to it, to restrain them and the staff would stand over them. I been to four of those kinds of places. It was stressful.
Watching this really got to me. I was in the same shoes at the same age, and my foot was in the door to be admitted. With one of my friends having been. Majoring in psychology, I came to learn many ways of helping ones self. And many of the practices these institutions do are of the exact opposite. Different subjects require different treatments but depravity, abuse and isolation can lead to mental anguish and psyhotic breaks. As well as PTSD that never truly goes away. Hearing him speak about this, gave me encouragement to continue with my career path. So that one day I can prevent this from happening to anyone needing help.
I was not raised by my birth mother, but I know she spent time in a psych ward multiple times. She had her problems, but I think that being in a psych ward did nothing to help. My mothers who have raised me, and who my birth mother personally made sure I made my way to as my brother was with them also, have truly helped and would never ever in a million years subject me to something that horrible. I'm glad that they made it out. Thank you for letting your guests' story come to light Azeal.
In my home town, there was a incident with "gooning". Where the parents didnt say anything to him, and he was someone who our school knew him as the kid that was quiet but nice, just had small anger issues cuz of the bullies that we had, which some of us kept interrupting them and stopping them as much as we could, (the school didnt do shit to the bullies). One day he stopped coming to school, and we found within the week about what happened, and apperently the night the gooning happened he was awake playing games, and when they came in he quickly reached for a knife he had and killed both of the guys who were supposed to do it and screamed for his parents and called the police...(hearing this from his cousin). And from what the news paper reported + what we've heard, apperently the kid was being charged for murder and considered "insane" by the court and his parents. Few weeks later after that, we found out he commited suicide, cuz the police and his parents were blaming him, where as his grandparents and other family members were furious about this, even to the point where a majority of our grade started speaking out about this, specially his cousin and his friends who knew him. The new station never reported on this, yet meanwhile they reported on one of our teachers who was looking at porn(the students knew that he was covering up for someone else) and got fired. Legit still furious about this.
My first year of highschool I spoke to a school psychologist, and I started crying mid sentence, I noticed she wrote some things down and then went to call my mom to come pick me up, I've always had anxiety issue and when I was very young my grandma who I lived with was very mentally abusive ever since then anyone who reminded me of her, (basically every Karen soccer mom) would set me off, sometimes I would cry sometimes I was just phase out (basically felt like fainting without warning) the school psychologist set me off but I just was crying, just tears no phasing out no weird mental shit...nothing. she felt that was enough to send me to some ward place, my mom drove me and we talked to a few people and I watched things people coming and going all being dragged in. I never seen something so violent right up close, luckily my mom saw this place definitely wasn't for me and all we did there was look around. I never spoke to that psychologist again I wished she got fired. Hearing all these screwed up stories makes me so glad my mom chose not to put me in I was so close to experiencing it
Goes to show that the the cover and even the first few pages of a book might seem nice, but when it hits the climax it can truly be something that brings dismay. Nice video 👍
I'm glad people are finally talking about how awful mental hospitals are, I wasn't there for long, but it was one of my worst experiences I've ever been through
I went to an RTC for stealing (as other things) from my family. I was there for a length of half a year. I was a lucky one and I was able to stay in the same state as my family. During that time I was treated well and had school during that particular time. It’s a scary experience for me. Mainly because I wasn’t told where I was going I was basically told “ hey your going to be staying somewhere else for a while pack your stuff we leave within the hour” and when we got there I was escorted in and told I wouldn’t see my family for a long while. We had people in the same facility for a plethora of things spanning from dv to having autism. Oddly enough while I was there for the 6 months I felt more at home than when I was at my own house. I had probably one of the better experiences while within that place. I’m glad to see that someone else shared their story. (I know mine isn’t really a story but I felt like I had to get it of my chest)
There was a time when I was in the youth wing (Ages 12-16) of a mental hospital, and the staff quite clearly showed that they had NO interest in truly helping the patients. One particular time I vividly remember, was when another patient (13 years old) started having epileptic seizures. Now, one of the cardinal rules when dealing with a person having an epileptic fit is to move everything away from them that can be moved, and leave the patient able to flail. But no. In this hospital, as soon as this kid started seizing, the staff (I can't even call them doctors) immediately moved in and forcibly restrained him. He ended up breaking every long bone in his extremities. And even when his bones were snapping, the staff were STILL restraining this kid. That's NOT how a hospital should be run. Their handling of medications wasn't much better. The whole reason I was in the hospital in the first place, was because I would occasionally have episodes where I blacked out and was extremely violent. But I never remembered what happened during these episodes. My family called these episodes meltdowns, for obvious reason. So the staff would always prescribe medications to "treat" the problem, but it never worked. Instead, the medications would cause side effects that were worse than the original problem. This lead to a vicious cycle where by the end of it, I had 7 or 8 different medications, with only two of them having less than 250mg amounts. And it nearly killed me. One of the medications was a neurosuppressant designed to be a build up and sustain medication where they start you on an intentionally high dosage to let it build up in your system, and they're then supposed to lower you to a maintenance dose. From what I understand, it worked by interfering with the neurotransmitters for the voluntary muscle groups. Except they never lowered my dosage, so it kept building up and building up, causing issues like me becoming more and more lethargic until eventually, my family took me to a different hospital, where after some bloodwork was done, they found that the amounts of the medicine in my system were so high that if I had continued that level of intake for two more weeks, it WOULD have killed me by completely shutting down my entire nervous system, so I was immediately put into detox. And I was only 15 years old at the time. They also did some EKG's and EEG's and figured out that the cause of my meltdowns was actually mid-brain seizures, which is a form of epilepsy, if I remember correctly. And this was the first time anybody had even THOUGHT to figure out the underlying issue, instead of looking at all the surface symptoms and making a 10-second judgement call. Anyways, I eventually finished the detox and was released from the hospital. And I find it extremely telling that the last meltdown I had before they stopped completely was about 2-3 weeks BEFORE I was taken off those medications. After I was taken off, my seizures stopped, leading my family to believe that it was the medications themselves that were causing me so many issues. Because of all this, I've also made it a policy to refuse any and all medications that are capable of affecting my brain. I won't even take aspirin or benadryl. I later heard that during a situation after I left, with a similar epileptic fit, the kid actually died during the restraint. And I've heard MORE than a few stories about those staff causing fatal ODs with their insane prescription methods. Last I heard, that bad hospital was shut down and the entire staff actually jailed and banned from ever working in the medical field ever again.
It feels amazing to see people talking about this. It’s good to know that I’m not alone. What I went through wasn’t anything like this, but it still severely hurt me. I’m still recovering from what I went through, even three years later. To anyone else who has been abused by doctors and staff of medical facilities whom you should have been able to trust, you are not alone. What happened to you was wrong and you are allowed to be angry about it. To staff of mental facilities who participate in or are compliant to the systemic abuse of these vulnerable people, you are disgusting. You deserve to burn for what you did to me and my friends.
I was sent to inpatient because my therapist thought I was suicidal, I had never thought of doing it, but because I was told I would go before we went. I had deep resentment for everyone in that room, including my mother. I was sent willingly. Took me 6 days to get out. I threatened my mother that we would never be able to have a stable relationship again if I was kept there longer. We have gotten better, I was sent on my birthday month. I cried every night I was there. Listening to this video made me remember how it was like there. Staff was rude. There were only 2 staff we liked, 1 only came on the weekends. Thank you for sharing this story! It tells people how messed up things can really be
I hope this finds a way to reach the kid. You are strong, not many could go through what you went through and come out the other side sane. I was admitted to a psych hospital for suicide and deep depression, long story short i was well taken care of and healed. i can imagine pretty well what wouldve happend to me and other people if i was to be admitted to a place like you describe. You have great strength, i would not have survived a place like that, i was in a very dark place. I hope you are doing alright brother.
Okay speaking as someone who is an ABA therapist, things like CB and IF is horrific. First peer aggression should be handled much differently. You need to remove the peer being aggressed against then find the root of the issue as to why the person is aggressing. Then you react based on the function of the behavior. You also do not do choke holds. Unless you are certified in pcm, you do not put your hands on a kid. Even then it is holds that do not harm the kids or yourself. These treatment centers seem like more focused on breeding obedience than progress.
And I can tell you obedience at least from me is actually pretty easily attained through mutual respect and kindness. Places like this would just make me violent and then even more violent when they tried to punish me for being violent until I or a guard got severely beaten and hurt bad enough that I would go to jail where I would likely spend most of my time muzzled and locked in the hole because unless I'm given kindness and mutual respect it just endlessly raises my aggression and violence. I do go to therapy for a lot of reasons but nothing makes me more angry than people thinking they've "taken" power away and now they think they can treat me or my friends like dirt. I would never learn in an environment like this and neither would most other mentally unstable people. I'm not even a violent person I just have deep seated emotional trauma caused by cops when I was a child and It's not just police, anyone in a similar position acting like a jerk causes this extreme anger. Obviously I am working on these problems with my therapist but still you'll never reach anyone on an emotional level where the problems reside by putting people in choke holds or demeaning them.
Thanks so much for letting me tell my story. Getting to do so (and getting to know you as well) has been awesome.
No thank you, for telling your story about this experience. I wish you the best Sebbystm.
My best friend actually has some wild stories from his time at an RTC, in the RTC he went to there was this one girl who was just a complete badass and she was only like 10, there was this one douchebag who once told another girl at the rtc that it was her fault she had been raped, this 10 year old badass took it upon herself to absolutely beat the shit out of this dude, he also had some real weird and confusing stories, apparently the staff had some sort of medicine they had to administer whenever patients were deemed a threat to themselves and/ or others, now this specific medicine had to be administered rectally via an enema, and that fact lead to some of the staff and patients calling it boots juice (I'm probably telling this story all wrong) (it might have actually even been only one specific patient who had to have the medication administered this way, I honestly can't remember the details) also they wore velcro shoes because some kids tried to hang themselves with the shoe laces and there was one kid who assaulted a staff member and actually managed to cause them sort fairly serious injuries by swinging a shoe at them while holding onto the laces, also you have to take every story my friend tells with a grain of salt because I can say from first hand experience on multiple occasions he is a habitual liar
@@russianbigbird4161 bro booty juicing LMAO. I’ve heard stories but it never happened where I stayed.
I'm sorry to hear about your experience, but as you might know, there's a great deal of mental health issues these days that might require involuntary participation. I'd be interested to hear your ideas about what it would take to make such treatment effective while also being humane. Being a fair bit older than you, I remember asylums and why they closed them, but I also don't think emptying these people onto the streets was a great solution. Thanks again for sharing.
Thanks for your story guy! That must have been tough going through all that. Hope you are doing well!
I feel like sending goons on an already vulnerable child probably just adds so much more fuel to the trauma fire.
ikr!
Yeah, you are so right, I mean who even allows this sort of stuff
@@Azeal Hi, I like your videos!
@@shadowzeraora7459 It really makes you wonder why they hire people to deal with stuff this serious when they don’t even know how to do their jobs.
@@shadowzeraora7459 Sedating a child!? Like, how is that meant to help you cope? Always a trend with these places. Just looking for a power trip and a quick buck so rather the child be knocked out than deal with em.
Not being allowed to communicate with the outside world?? Thats a prison, not a place for help
i mean, cant you get like phone calls in prison?
@@_zoreo no I mean like online video games
And that's supposed to be for mental health. I guarantee you not being able to contact anyone, friends of family makes your mental health drop greatly. Humans are social creatures.
Feels more like getting rid of a 'problem' ngl
Solitary confinement like that can tear a person apart mentally
"These children need to be punished and brought to a Mental Hospital!"
"Why does my child hate me and not want to speak with me now?" 🤡
It wouldn't surprise me if some of those kids just go and off their parents for that kinda shit
@@donnikthejedi2222I already want my dad dead, I don't know what I would do if he did something like that.
@@SkamosTheDruid let's be both happy that he didn't get that kind of Idea for ya. ^^ I'm in no positiion for Judgement just wanna say don't let him win like this, cuz your life would be ruined and he'd be too dead to care about his. Take care and have a lovely week, hun
@@donnikthejedi2222 Yeah, I don't have to see him anymore and I'm going to therapy, so things are getting better but this means a lot, thanks.
"someone should send him to a mental hospital"
"someone should put you in a BOX floating down the river *grandma!*
There's illegal child abuse, then there's legal child abuse.
Yep...
@@Azeal Sadly.......
Welcome to today's world. Unfortunately.
to complete that : "they're both child abuse."
idk, phrase seemed incomplete. the period felt like a comma.
to complete that : "they're both child abuse."
idk, phrase seemed incomplete. the period felt like a comma.
I was in-patient twice and I would bet money that a random team at starbucks would do better as staff of a mental health facility than people that work at a mental health facility (the ones I went to). They were worse than incompetent.
Dude it's so true, the average person with a conscience could do better than a fully trained power-tripping asshole
@@Azeal sorry I'm late hi
Real
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It was the same at the place in oklahoma i went to. One of thr staff members was literally a stereotypical teenage babysitter who just stared at their phone all day and whenever they DID speak to us it was to flaunt their superiority complex. The therapist was like this too. It was like they didnt even see me as human.
I can't believe this horrid shit is legal. This whole "therapy" system should be considered child abuse. I would have never forgiven my family if I was sent to a place like that, and probably wouldn't be around anyone in all honesty.
@@OneBrokenEgg not all wards are like that they usually have a bad reputation but they can be bad though
its not therapy. and anyone who considers it therapy are psychopaths
Yeah, I know one I was in, quite a few years back, where one of the other kids had his arm broken in two places by one of the staff when another had spit in his face and threw a clipboard at his head all because he called her a bitch (which she was a massive one; not sure how she managed to keep her job...) but yeah that was traumatic to see firsthand.
I need some answers! Should I share my story cuz I dunno..
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When I was inpatient, one of the staff threatened a patient who he had to put in a chokehold. He said something along the lines of "I'm not afraid to kill a patient, this job doesn't pay me enough". And now I hate behavioral health hospitals
I think a staff put someone in a chokehold once. The guy was an ex prison guard too.
@@sebbystm7176 Kids can be tall and stocky, but I wouldn't be comfortable with a former prison guard responsible for restraining a child..
@@anonj.9440 tall and stocky is the polar opposite of what this kid was. He was basically a human chihuahua
Alright, yeah, these are becoming illegal
And a"mental" patient shouldnt be afraid to kill them, remember, you are "crazy"
It's astounding how someone could even love their parents after getting betrayed by them like this. Imagine your parents calling someone to take you in the middle of the night without you knowing it. It's strange to think a parent would give permission to someone to kidnap you.
In the UK parents don't care about their kids and either treat them like crap until they bully innocent people/commit crimes or just sell them to a kidnapper
if it would happen to me i would cut any contact with them after getting out of that prison
it leads to a very... warped idea of what the term "love" means...
@@rhael42 no kidding... quite often if a child is abused by their parents, they will seek out an abusive partner because that's what the definition of love feels to them.
tbh, if that was me, my relationship is done with them, i wouldn't even talk to them for sure
I sit here at 41 years old and find myself insanely grateful that torture like this was outside of my parents' price range. What I have heard described this evening is psychological abuse intended to force a child to conform regardless of everything else. It is completely beyond me how any parent could convince themselves that betraying their child's trust was going to do anything to repair their relationship or fix the situation. We don't treat violently psychotic adults so callously.
it's usually 1 of 3 camps.
camp 1: the ones who genuinely think this will help.
camp 2: those who seek to force their ideals onto their child.
camp 3: haha trauma go brrrrrrrr (parent just wants their child to suffer, cause waffles.)
Honestly stuff like this should be illegal. I’ve never heard the tale of a good mental hospital. The fact that parents can literally hire people to abduct their kids and take them to these places, not only without their consent, but without their knowledge and in the middle of their fricking sleep is a bit terrifying and will probably make me paranoid for the next week. Why the absolute hell is this allowed?
Because the west is not filled with many truly completely pro FREEDOM people who work with or against their countries if, at all even 1 country like America especially. Given how people violate the constitution like hell!….
I believe that's because of the laws that effectively make you a legal slave to your parents until you turn into the age that is legally recognized as the age of consent either through international doctrine (i.e The Geneva Convention) or through the country's own laws (in my country that's 16 years of age).
EDIT: I say "age of consent" because after you reach that age you are legally recognized as a young adult and can enter the workforce without legal repercussions on the company and/or your parents.
@@clonechoopa31 Yes. This is 100% child abuse though and should be very, very illegal. I’m not that easily angered but this has extremely high piss me off potential.
Why is it allowed? I would say for the same reason CPS exists and does what they do. In concept, it seems like a good idea that could help some people...but the way it is executed and implemented it's an absolute failure of an idea that does more harm than it does good, but all that just gets swept under the rug.
@@QuestionThings123 I feel like that's the reason why CPS needs major reform, like, a MAJOR reform.
You know your program has failed when the moral of the story your patients got was "I hated this, I'm never letting someone go through this"
it's such a horrible way to teach someone to help others, yet so effective, so i think that's why they do it unfortunately
Sadly if something instills enough fear to make someone stop what they do, it'll continue to be used
FINALLY someone speaks up about this. I was a patient in one that would damn near OD you on your meds if you acted out like every time you act it out or had an episode if you were schizophrenic they would be like okay he needs more medicine to the point where people were coming right back after they left from side effects from whatever pill they were already on
That's horrifying!
Jesus...
Holy shit... I'm sorry you had to go through that
OK they need to be shut down at that point. They're gonna kill people by making them OD on those drug's they need to be stopped
Dude, that's the worst kinda shit ever happened. The person would ended up more psychological (or was it mentaly?) problem then help solving it.
dude, my dad punished me at one point, at home, and took away my privilege to electronics for a while just because i was too worried about my friends.
they were suicidal and depressed and even not being able to check on them triggered a mental breakdown.
i can't imagine what treatment would've been like.
did anyone (exept your dad) end up ok? got help and stuff?
being punished for self harm is the most disgusting thing ever coming from a mental hospital meant to help those people
There was a mental institute that I went to for trying to commit suicide, and it made me feel more suicidal because of how abusive some of the staff were, so I'm very grateful that you gave this guy a platform to speak about his issues with the facility he went to. When I was in the priorly mentioned mental institute they had a literal padded cell with a door lockable from the outside, and if a kid did something a staff member thought was even slightly annoying they'd try to piss them off so that they have an excuse to throw them into the cell. The worst part about the cell is that you would have to get a very painful injection of sleeping/calming drugs (I can't remember what the name of the specific drug was). But something that specifically happened to me is, I was drawing (the way I cope with my issues) and a staff member said it was too "violent" and I needed to talk to my therapist, the thing I drew was some kind of monster thing (no gore, no blood, nothing sexual, no violence, just a monster), then when I went to my therapist they made me write a fucking apology letter for using my coping mechanism. I also got my ass kicked a few times by some really violent kids, plus there was kids that would leave then come right back because the facility would fuck up their prescriptions then kids would become addicted to their new meds. There's a lot more I could say but I'm not trying to write an essay. Also parents couldn't press charges for physical abuse done by staff because when kids first got in they were forced to sign a contract.
TLDR: Mental institutes are corrupt and I'm glad you helped this guy speak up, thank you.
A Chaos Cult would probably be a better place to go for Mental Health, that really says A LOT about the world we live in don't it?
So, essentially what they're doing is helping the 'sick' continue to catch the same illness over and over by putting them in the same place as others with that illness, but rather than giving them the very much available vaccine, they're just feeding them soup and saying 'get well soon!'?
I'm really sorry, dude. That is so unfair. I hope you are ok.
yikes... ;-;
You could still sue for staffing negligence. Contracts be damned negligence is a life saver.
As someone who was sentenced to "Special Ed" starting in 4th grade, none of this surprised me. Programs for mental health are just isolation programs to sweep problem children under the rug. I was stuck in a prototype program called Self Contained from 7th grade to 12th grade. During that time I was isolated from developing alongside my peers, and separated from everyone else. I didn't even take normal clases, I took like 3 person classes. It severely impacted my long-term self esteem, and emotional development. I'm 27 now, and I still feel set back socially, and developmentally because of that program. Only late last year did I get an apology from my mother for allowing them to do that to me, after she started working at that school and saw firsthand the environment I had to deal with. I thanked her for the apology, but I couldn't say I accepted it.
Cerberus... doing my first playthrough of the series. Just did jacks loyalty mission, how ironic.
I’m sorry. I went through the same thing too from 1st-4th grade and it wasn’t good
Glad you got out tho!
as someone who in 3rd grade to 5th grade who was in special Ed (Not very long ago) it was horrible. The "Aids" they had that were supposed to help were so bad at their job, I was gender queer and I wanted people to use she/her pronouns for me. this one aid always called me Him no matter how much I corrected him. Then there was my aid that I had in fifth grade, she was a bitch to put simply. she would basically breath down my shoulder watching every little movement I did making me tense, this caused me to one day yell at her to stop (I had asked her to stop multiple times) and her sent me to the principles office and I was suspended for a week. There was one good teacher in the program named Mr. V, Mr. v would talk to me when I was down and during lunchtime when I was eating in the "resource room" he would put on Star wars: The clone wars. And on my last day of fifth grade he gave me a Lego star wars keychain, he was the only good soul in that program.
I also was sentenced to "Special Ed" in fourth grade. I remember getting locked into the supply closet for hours at a time, getting into all kinds of fights. I went in several grade-levels ahead of most kids in language, and two grades ahead in math. Came out behind in most subjects. The classes were in a public school, so everyone knew you were spec ed, and since I was behavior...Yeah, kids were fucking awful. I got into so many fights in elementary. I still have no idea how many of those were my fault.
8 kids, 1 teacher, 5 EAs. They could double up on a kid to remove them. And they did...and for me, they needed to, usually 3 on 1. One advantage I had, I outweighed most kids by 50 lbs, and outmuscled most of the EAs...Since they had to hold back, and I didn't.
This video's "Community Break" was her default response to a kid acting up, and it could last for the entire school day. I have SEVERE ADHD, and I have problems, to this day, keeping my mind out of fiction, out of my mental wanderings, because of how often she put me into the fucking room.
There are...so many things I still struggle with. Trusting authority is really hard for me, and since they'd double up on me, any group of authority figures gets my hackles up. Instinctively, I do the opposite of what I'm told, and it's a conscious effort to go along with it, even if it's for my own good.
Is a necessary evil, you cannot allow some sped to go crazy and hurt a normal kid or hurt themselves, that's just a lawsuit waiting to happen.
What the hell.
This is literally torture.
This is straight up a prison.
Welcome to our world bud.
Gen Z, the most disgusting generation throughout all.
I mean if you consider literally any type of punishment to be torture then yeah I guess you could call this torture, but for most people a time out is in a completely different realm from actual torture. For example some of the kids that get regular beatings from their parents.
@@GiRR007 I think they do all types
@@lowqualitybaldkakyoin All types of what ?
This is the scariest thing.
Being abused and no one will believe you because they labeled you crazy.
At 20 I was forced into a psych ward the day after my birthday. Everyone swept it under the rug yet a patient forcibly took my v card. Even caused me to fall pregnant. Nobody gave me my birth control or plan b. I continued to be shamed till I was shunned into silence inside the ward and by family outside of it. The incident regularly brings nightmares to this day and yet I know someone would report me and I fear goin through more trauma because others think they know what’s best yet only make it worse
Holy sht, im so sorry that happened to you, i really hope you are doing better now
@@wellidontknow1941 I been going through life, but still have to carry that on my back. It’s hard to feel romantic interest and even harder to feel sexual interest. I end up thinking I’m truly unlovable and all I’d be good for is to be useful to whoever needs me for whatever I could provide. I hope one day it gets better but I’m still surprised I survived this long and still yearn to let go and see what’s on the other side
That is horrible, I'm so sorry that happened to you, you shouldnt feel ashamed for that because it wasnt your fault, you are awesome and strong, I'm glad you are still here, it'll be ok, I'm so sorry that happened, if you want to vent about it you can always vent here
My biggest fear as a mentally unwell person is being put into a mental hospital. Especially where I live (abuse against children goes basically unnoticed, even if the kid has physical injuries.)
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Same i've worked hard avoiding the crazy abuser house.
@@cjtheterrible2238 I'd say it's fine, especially with my goofy name.
You in the UK? I am, and they aren't fine with black or Muslim people like me, but they're fine with r*pe, *child abuse* and other disgusting things (they don't arrest people for that)
Bro someone in my school was black and he was abused because of his skin colour for the whole school day then the police was called on him too.
Guess what??? The English students were laughing about it, and the staff who abused him are still loved.
just that kidnapping children and young teen’s to forcefully admit into a hospital is already enough to know that place should be shut down
I know right, honestly there better be something done about these things soon
My mom keeps telling me that she wants to get rid of me almost every day and I think she wanted to send me to a place like that (I didn't go, but I cried my eyes out many times, and I'm sure it took like half an hour to stop crying and panicking once).
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Cant really call it force if its with parents consent.
@@GiRR007 yes you can. Parents and kids are different. The kid didn’t know or want it
@@FyWy_ It generally doesn't matter what the a child wants when it comes to a parents decision that they think is best for the child. The parents have the final say since they are held responsible for the child and all.
What he went to wasn't a "mental hospital". Those are completely different, public institutions which have their own issues (other commenters have described things like keeping people heavily sedated with medication 24/7.) What this person is describing is, as he says a """"""treatment facility""""" which are part of something known as the "troubled teen industry" which are privately run, and operate essentially completely unchecked, unlike mental hospitals which have at least some degree of oversight. Mental hospitals also don't do the kidnapping thing. That's not to say mental hospitals are good, but it is important to be aware that these places are a different kind of institution. Parents pay a lot money to send their kid to these places, and they can do this for literally any reason. They are often based on ideologies like Scientology and Mormonism.
Also these places are essentially designed specifically severely traumatize children and mold them into severely emotionally blunted people who are willing to callously harm others as long as they follow the rules. It creates people so desperate for any degree of control in their lives that they will seek to control others. We can see this with the video, as they describe bullying a person with such glee, who was likely acting out in violence specifically as a result of the trauma being in that place caused in the first place.
He _did_ say it was in Utah. And between his descriptions and your comment, it almost sounds like Junior Boot Camp, where they're trying to build the foundations to turn them into soldiers that have no life beyond the military and whatever the CO tells them to do.
A. ‘Mental hospitals’ are not all publicly owned; most of them are attached to for-profit hospitals.
B. There used to be long-term mental hospitals but insurance companies refused to pay for them so most of the long-term programs like this one were closed down.
C. This sounds exactly like my experience in a long-term mental health facility when I was a kid right down to the levels and how the days were planned out. The obvious difference is probably that these centers have far fewer well-trained staff and less medical professionals working there. This is very much a modern mental health facility that is treated as some sort of ‘summer camp’ for kids that parents don’t want to deal with, staffed with people who probably have no business being in charge of anything having to do with children.
It may be run on those ideologies but I am Mormon and the fact that one of these centers could exist under my ideology is downright horrifying that people could interpret everything that way. I feel sorry for anyone that was abused or hurt by those treatment centers and people that have gone the wrong way in life. I’m not saying that Mormonism is bad I’m saying is that bad apples exist in every community and I am not denouncing my religion just saying that I don’t like the fact that these treatment centers can exist under my ideology. Sorry if I offend anyone I don’t want to offend anyone ever.
@@kettleshot6044 Even when Joseph was still alive, people were taking his teachings wrong, never mind when he died. And there are always people who will use any excuse to do what they want. Just look at how many polygamous groups there are, even though it's been outlawed in every way since President Woodruff's time.
TL:DR
this person was at a different kind of place altogether called a "treatment facility", not a mental hospital
As somebody who had strict parents: All this 'treatment' did was deny these kids self-determination until they became adults, so now they have no practice choosing things for themselves. I'm 31 years old and _still_ trying to fill that gap in my own life.
It may not be THAT exact type of therapy, but when I was diagnosed with Autism as a kid, my mom was offered various therapies for me. And now looking at how ABA works, I'm SO glad my mom listened to her gut, and didn't send me to any weird therapies. Like, my mom wasn't even educated on that topic. It was just her gut telling her "Nah, that's wrong. Just treat your daughter with the same love as a neurotypical child, and don't do any of these offers."
btw, my mom told me very recently that she self diagnoses herself as autistic. When she listened to my psychiatrist diagnosing me, and telling her all my symptoms for Autism, she was thinking: "Damn, that's literally me. That explains so much about my childhood, and my now adulthood."
Calling it a “fake world” is a perfect description of what in-patient mental hospitals are like. I’ve never had to stay in one long term but the first time I ever had to go to one it was like a week long and it just felt so weird. You are constantly treated like you’re going to spontaneously explode or something, there was absolutely no metal or any type of strings or shoelaces (they used to be but someone tried to harm themselves with said item so it got taken away completely) there’s no shoes so everyone is just walking around in their socks, and other stuff. I’m thankful I’m in a better place now and I don’t need to go back.
The door is locked. Maggie has been fed.
the "Real world" is FAKE too FAKE money FAKE not backed by gold its debt and fiat fake jobs fake news fake fake fake world is so fake and becomming more fake. even jesus warned aobu tthe fakeness of this world.
This sounds exactly like where i went. I was taking my best behavior so i could get out the earliest possible (3 days). No pencils, pens, or colored pencils, just crayons and markers. Beds are made of rock and blankets are practically sheets. I can at least say the food was better than a public school, which is really depressing.
Even monokuma wouldn't be so evil as to create a mental health facility like those we have.
The staff must seem sickening...
These facilities need to be either outlawed completely, or have A LOT more stringent regulations placed on them. Thankfully I've never been to one myself, but there are more than enough horror stories of "troubled teen" centers and even gay conversion centers that are just...allowed and even encouraged to literally torture children. I don't know who in their right mind would think any facility that thinks it's perfectly reasonable to stage kidnappings is a sane and safe place to send anyone, let alone a kid.
I'm glad more people are speaking up about these things. Kids are seriously injured or killed in places like this and parents still send their kids there. It absolutely needs to stop.
Violence is the only answer
I wonder if these places are kind of designed for this, like they fuck up the kids as much as possible while they are already dealing with a lot of stuff and then by the time they are adults they are either way too damaged to seek help or lack the social skills to do it
@@airplanes_aren.t_real I speak from experience when I say those places fucked me up all the more. Before it was just depression, now it's a whole slew of labels that got slapped on me
@@XxCalamityAngelxX sorry to hear about that, are you doing better now or still fucked up?
@@airplanes_aren.t_real Still pretty fucked, but I'm MUCH better now that it's in my past :)
I don’t even understand how this stuff is legal. Mental hospitals are often so bad that at least for me, my mom literally uses them as a threat. She said she would fake a suicide note from me and send me away if I “don’t stop being annoying”. The worst part was that she knows I had bad suicidal thoughts and has literally told me to jump one time. Yet another reason why so many people like me with mental issues are scared to ever seek help. Mental illness isn’t an excuse to take away people’s basic rights.
taking away the fundamental rights of those with antisocial behavior is something America does consistently :/
@@Azeal I definitely think that we need to raise more awareness to that. I genuinely think America is a great country but that means that I will stick with it to try and make it better.
i suggest that as soon as you learn to drive, you take your belongings and drive to a friend’s house. your mom sounds terrible.
@@omegadragons321 thank you, unfortunately I just moved and I don’t know anyone near me.
yeez, that mother does not deserve to have kids, sorry kido. It sounds like your mother cares about herself more than you.
I can relate. I'm also a type 1 diabetic, with depression ect. But I'e never been in a ward, the way my family deals with my stuff is pump me full of meds, and belittle me enough to I want to take my life, attempt it, fail at it and stay submissive to them and be too anxious to leave them. I'm currently 28 and this has been going on since I was 6 years old. I was diagnosed with diabetes at 18 and I almost died because my dad wouldn't listen to me. Luckily, in high school I met my only friend that still to this day continues to be my friend and my support system and without them I don't think I'd be here today.
I’d like to thank you to the person that talked about their experience with this. I would like to share my own story at Del Amo Hospital.
[Huge tw] - self harm, sensitive topics, etc.
As a 14 year old that has been self harming ever since I was 9 due to family problems and self esteem issues, I was admitted to a mental hospital a few months ago, yes, very recent as of today. For my backstory-My family is very strict, I can’t hang out with friends outside of school, I can’t wear my own things that I want, and I can barley have any privacy at all, they abuse me emotionally and even physically sometimes. I’ve also been groomed by a 23 year old and dated him for 9(?) months, and i’ve also been into plenty of bad relationships, but not as bad as that.
How I got into the mental hospital is, I was with my boyfriend and we were waiting for my mom to pick me up, we were talking and he came only to hug me, but when my mom picked me up, she saw everything and proceeded to get pissed at me. Like, very pissed. Of course, she has her reasons, and they’re completely valid, but how she said everything to me, it came out horribly. For example, this is one of the things that hurt me the most. “You’re too much for me to the point where I want to kill myself.” I felt so unloved for years and for her to say those things, it broke me. I cried so much, and the day after, I had to go to school again. She was texting me again during my classes and I was pissed at her, I tried talking to her and standing up for myself, but she just wouldn’t listen. I cried, and my teachers saw that. My homeroom teacher told me to go to a bathroom with a friend to help me calm down, but I cried during the next class again because she just wouldn’t stop texting me. My teacher, who i’ll call, Ms. Mary, she was like a second mom to me. She comforted me and wrote a note asking what was wrong, and I told her everything. I mentioned the abuse going on, my self harm issues, and past relationships, and after that class, I felt better. It was nutrition after that, and I forgot everything after. But at lunch, I was with my boyfriend, and he told me that Ms. Mary was outside looking for something or someone, she wouldn’t be outside so I found it unusual but I brushed it off. During 7th period, my last class of the day, I got called into the office and I went without any questions. There was two therapists and my school counselor waiting for me there, and stuff happened, they questioned me, blah blah blah-but at the end, they told me they had to tell my mom about this. I was paranoid, and I kept telling them that they shouldn’t, but they wouldn’t listen. After that, I got picked up by my uncle, and 10 minutes after, there was police outside my house. My mom called me, saying she picked up the phone from school late, and it was about mental health awareness and stuff like that, she questioned why and she was panicking because she knew about my self harm (but keep in mind, she never helped or comforted me.) It was bad, one police man came to speak to me, and he had to check my wrists for a welfare check since my mom wasn’t answering, she was at work at the time. During third period, the period after I told Ms. Mary about everything, I took a pencil and started scratching my arm. The police officer saw the marks and thats when he called my mom to come over and other police officers, my mom couldn’t speak to me, and the police took me away. They handcuffed me, and put me in the car while I cried and begged them if I could stay, they didn’t listen. Keep in mind, I was only 13.
When I got to the hospital, they took my handcuffs off and left me there, there was other kids there, and I saw people keep coming in and out. There was a specific one, she was strapped down onto this bed thing?? but there was bad cuts on her arm. After they bandaged it, she told me that everything was going to be okay because I was still crying after an hour of being there. It was already night, and the doctors put me in a room to do a body check, they were both female so I was okay with it, I guess. But they were really old, one was most likely in her early 30’s and the other late 50’s. They stripped my clothes off and checked my body, they questioned when I put the deep cuts on my thigh, the recent scratches on my arms, what I did it with, and why. You get the gist, I was supposed to stay for a week, but I only stayed for 5 days because I pretended I was okay because I missed my family so badly. Everyone could talk to them only two times a day, or when the parent would call and ask to check in with them. The whole place was a hallway with rooms, there was the playroom (main room) where we did our activities, and the other rooms for the kids who were staying (9-17 year olds, all females), there was also a yard where we would go outside to play, and there was a cafeteria there. The whole place felt isolated, there were windows but the glass was so thick that you couldn’t see the outside world, you could only see the light, but not as much since they were tinted.
For the kids I met, I still talk to some till this day on social platforms.
One of them were new and her arms were completely covered with cuts, another one had hallucinations, one tried committing suicide because of school bullied, and the one who comforted me when I first got there, she had horrible anger issues, she has a son at 16, and her self harm was bad.
The entire place made me feel like I was sick, I mean no offense to the kids who have gone to mental hospitals before, or the actual one i’ve been to, but I think you all know what i’m talking about, if you have. It makes you feel like shit, they treat you like you’re a kindergartener, they even called you mentally unstable. It was bad, we also had a schedule, where it was the same thing on a daily basic, except the only thing was, there’s some kind of event thing every saturday where there’s animals that you can pet? I don’t know myself, because I was only there for 5 days. (Monday - Friday)
For the place where the person in the video was in, the punishments were horrible, and we never had that happen to us, but they were lucky because they had their own devices (ipods) where we were just stuck coloring, doing activities all day. There is a tv, but they barley turned it on and we barley had music playing, it would usually be crowded and noisy though, that when I finally got out, every single loud noise startled me, or when one of my friend’s decided to scare me, i’d have a small panic attack. But back to the mental hospital, they prescribed me anxiety pills, that I couldn’t even take because I was allergic to them?? I don’t know, but my mom didn’t allow them to put me on any medication while I was there. Speaking of my mother, she tried to understand me for a week after I came back, but since I felt like my family only cared because I was taken away, it caught their attention. Most of them, when they found out I cut myself, they told me to cut my entire arm off if I wanted to bleed that badly. I was called emo for it, and when I told my experiences to my friends, I think people were listening in because the majority of everyone I knew (my classmates, who I’m not friends with) knew about it and called me depressed. They never talked to me for the entire year, so I didn’t either. The sad thing is, I could’ve actually been good friends with everyone there because I matched their energy. But after I got back home from the mental hospital, I thought things would be better now because my family was brought to the attention that I was depressed, my mom took it as me being an attention seeker. I have therapy now, but i’m forced to lie about it because it would get worse for me. My mom forbids me from going anywhere at all now because she’s “worried” that the police would be watching out for me wherever I am, since there’s still a case going on, she doesn’t want my friends getting involved, interviewed, or knowing about what happened to me. It honestly makes me feel like shit, I mean, whenever me and my mom would get into arguments, she’d tell me she’d put me to the philippines so I would get beaten there if I didn’t listen, or she’d talk about me being an attention seeker. She’d even tell me that the only thing i’m good enough is cutting myself, but I just have to live like this now. Constantly lying to a therapist, having to hide my feelings away from my own mother, and that’s all i’m going to have to do now. I hate it, especially because i’m going to highschool now in just a few days for the first time, I don’t feel prepared and I’m scared i’ll get even more pressured considering the fact that i’ve been pressured ever since I was in 4th grade. But anyways, thank you for reading my comment. I hope you don’t have to go through everything i’m going through, honestly, the entire situation traumatized me and ever since it was a few months ago, I still feel like i’m constantly being watched by the eyes of doctors, and it’s scary. It’s really scary, especially since i’m this young. I don’t know how anyone can deal with this, so many other people have it so bad and for me, being only 14, i’m horrified on what’s going to come in the future. I still have my whole life ahead of me, and I already feel like I screwed everything up. Please, take care of yourself. I don’t want any of you all dealing with this.
Please try to survive and have someone trutworthy to talk to. or contact outside to survive emotional . And your mom is just abusive. Take care of yourself.
And is the therapit answering toyour mom, which must be messed up:(
Please take care, i hope it becomes better and better for you as soon as possible, i hope you are doing better now
At this point, Azeal might be one of the objectively "best" youtubers, the videos are educational, entertaining, and diverse, not clickbait, not full of ads, and just provide a new perspective on life.
Aight, the kid liked video games and had trouble remembering his meds? So they send him to what amounts as a gentle "troubled teen" camp!?!
Seriously, this guy needs to go no contact ASAP.
If I was there I wouldn't stop screaming on the prison staff on how unethical their treatment is...
Okay maybe not screaming, they're just employees, but still, I wouldn't shut up about demanding my immediate release against said violation of my human rights, idfk care, 16 yo is enough to vote, and so is to decide if I'll be locked up for "treatment" or not...
Saddly tho, these places are ultra corrupt, so my logic and arguments would prob fall into deaf ears...
@@vitmartobby5644 I salute your bravery. I'd be afraid that if I spoke up I'd find myself having an "Accident" during "Outdoor Activities".
@@richardmackendrick4342 I wouldn't say it's bravery... It would be pure desperation, imagine the sensation of injustice of being jailed because of a hobby... And by your parents nonetherless... Can't be in peace after such injustice... I just hope i could be smart about it, but given the situations of these corrupt af institutions, I doubt it.
As a type 1 diabetic, let me tell you: the whole "forgetting his meds" thing is a _HUGE_ deal. Like, you could end up killing yourself on accident kind of deal. Like lose your eyesight after too much forgetting your meds kind of deal. Like suffer hearing loss from too much forgetting your meds kind of deal. Insulin is a hormone your body produces for basic life functions, you know, like processing food completely. T1 diabetics have to mimic the human body's natural production of insulin 24/7 (there are a variety of ways to do this, and a few options for how reactive of insulin you need for that treatment) to just keep living. Before synthetic insulin invention, people were given a year at best to live after diagnosis if they were denied anything with a carbohydrate in it at all. _A. Year. At. Best._ It's not really fair to cut skipping insulin down to just the phrase "forgetting his meds" when he was in astounding danger when he didn't take his insulin. I wouldn't say it would be unreasonable under those kinds of life-or-death circumstances for his parents to panic and try to get any help they could. A treatment center? Not what I'd recommend, but some turd of a "professional" recommended it over therapy that would actually be helpful for coping with an incurable, life destroying, serious disease and a technology addition.
@@YourWaywardDestiny Yeah but like... that's irrelevant to if he's, like, "crazy" xD A treatment center isn't just what I "wouldn't recommend", it sounds completely unrelated and bonkers. Sending him to an institution for over a year because he's *forgetful?* It doesn't matter how big a deal the consequences are, that doesn't mean he belongs in this kind of place lol.
As much as I wish I could talk to people about my problems, the fear of being locked up in a place like this reinforces me to keep my mouth shut. Nearly got thrown in one of these places because I made the mistake of trusting a school counselor that called my parents. The first that came is, for the lack of a better word, a very manipulative, two-faced, batshit crazy school teacher that carries the "perfect angel" image in other peoples eyes, and was going through a long overdue divorce after about 7 years of nonstop fighting. They turned that counselor and Vice Principal on both me and my other parent when they showed up with their usual act, making it look like my other parent was Satan incarnate and that everything I said came from their mouth. The counselor was in the middle of talking about shipping me to one of these places when my other parent came and pulled me out that day. Luckily the one who picked me up talked the other down, but it was early in the year, and it followed me for a long time after.
Ya know, I didn't realize why people refused to talk about their mental health until I got sent to a psyche ward. Before then, I was fine with talking about my problems, but now? Fuck no. And that same reinforcement sticks with me on a spiritual level.
I made the mistake of talking about my mother abusing me and my sisters (physically and emotionally) since as long as I can remember to the school nurse when lockdown happened and I was locked in.
I regret it because it just caused pain, no help was given at all and I learned not to trust people so easily (just made abuse worse and got social services involved but they do nothing). Now, even though I rarely go a day without wanting to not exist, I will never say it to someone with that power over me. It’s not worth the risk, I’d rather die than be sent to a place like this.
@@arha13 Please stay strong, man. Take some moments to remind yourself how fascinating being alive can be. Look at the stars. Take pleasures in your interests. Stay safe.
@@midgetwaffles8635 don't worry its more of a dull feeling (just reoccuring). I have a wonderful partner to help me through it
When you get older, you can avoid involuntary commitment a lot easier and hopefully get real help. If you live in the US, it's helpful to know your state laws on involuntary commitment. Avoid going to any mental hospital even outpatient, because sometimes they can force you to stay overnight indefinitely. Try to always have a friend on the outside willing to fight them legally if you aren't released after an agreed-upon amount of time has passed.
I have been admitted to a suicide ward once for 2 weeks when I was 17. Ever since then I knew that if a cop ever showed up at my door and told me I was be committed again I would do everything I could to kill myself rather than go back to that hell. And if anyone got in my way, no matter who, I would remove them.
Ever since that day I basically internalized everything and refused to talk to anyone except my therapist and psychiatrist about my problems. Sadly they were the ones that knew I was harmless and they refused to ever send me there unless it was a final option and they never believed I would need it.
Knowing I could, at any moment, wake up getting taken thousands of miles away from my home and my parents LET it happen…
That’s terrifying man
Imagine torturing your kid cuz they spend free time playing video games. Some people dont deserve children or a life
Imagine blaming your own parenting on the child's mental health, as if that mental health wasn't a product of their childhood. If the kid is spending so much time playing video games, it's either because they really like it or they need _something_ to do with their time and the parents should try to engage with the kid.
@@bluesbest1 exactly!!
@@bluesbest1 imagine sending your kid away because YOU allow them to play games 24/7. It IS a parenting issue. They could have sent the kid to a fun summer camp or something instead. A mental health institute is absolutely not the answer in this situation and it’s disgusting to pretend it is.
@@bluesbest1 Go to 31:47 - he literally summarizes what I’m saying
@@RaptorBone_s
so your saying that the kid is in the wrong?
mkay-
This is reminiscent of the Elan School with how controlling and abusive it was. For starters, all the euphemistic names should clue one in on how bad it is (i.e. "community break" instead of _solitary confinement)._ I mean, forcing people to divulge their punishments to everyone else, using forced isolation and revocation of basic needs to enforce compliance, corporal punishment, pitting people against each other, it's all abuse. Some of that would border on torture were it done to adults.
Bro I watched that video and was like “wtf this is like my rtc” it’s wack bro
Your definition of abuse and torture seems somewhat skewed as it often is for young people in modern first world countries, apart from that one kid being assulted the place seemed rather tame, some people require this type of treatment.
@@GiRR007 solitary confinement on its own is considered torture and has been shown multiple times to cause PERMANENT severe psychological damage, even with "short" periods of confinement.
@@batfurs3001 Solitary confinement is no more torture than being imprisoned is, any sorts of psychological damage that has been speculated to have been develop are always drastically overplayed and almost never severe. Unless you think a time out is torture then solitary confinement isn't torture, its a punishment.
@@GiRR007 if you're so confident it's not torture, then go spend a month in solitary. You'll be singing a different tune.
I was put in one of these for almost 3 weeks for depression and just because I faked being fine I was released early but because there had been 0 effort to actually help with mental health I left in just a worse state the thing is most of these facility's and to a certain extent the hospital psych wards just trap you in a cycle where you cant do anything you cant interact with the outside world and for someone like me thats a extreme introvert it just makes you feel worse because everything is about groups and most of the time they aren't actually helping you just get trapped there if your honest about your feelings because they dont care about helping you they just want to make a buck
Yet me recalling my abuse in an Oceans facility is invisible.
They had skin cancer and were made to go in the sun, I was shitting blood and refused me access to a real doctor, I tried to file a complaint and was punished even more, I'm lactose intolerant and they would melt cheese on my sandwiches.
90% of the time they fed anyone it was corndogs where the batter fell off the dog and was cold asf, or frenchfries that were still white
I was hit in the head so many times and they just watched, I kept an eye on the elderly when I was in gerry section since I'm disabled. They amount of times someone got of a wheelchair fell down and seriously got hurt was more than I could count.
They get paid 200$ a day per head there, and get paid by state for every RX they fill.
They denied me water to the point where they had to order an IV.
So much more.
Humans are a force for evil.
They sent him to the nuthouse for being a gamer.
we live in a society
But honestly this is fucking horrifying
This video brought me back to a moment of depression in my freshman year of high school. I was having a hard time due to the pandemic, and it got to the point where I nearly committed suicide. (Thankfully, the few friends I had made early in the year gave me more reason to hold back.) When I brought it up to the therapist I had already been going to (due to a past attempt in 6th grade before moving to another state for unrelated reasons), my therapist and parents tried to get me into a mental facility. No response from one, and another said they wouldn't take me due to my age. We settled on just putting all of the deadly objects out of my reach, which was successful.
When I think back to it now, what could have happened if I was put in a facility? I know I wouldn't be able to see my parents. But what if they took away my electronic access? That would have probably drove me towards the edge even more. These two people were the only lasting friendships I had made, despite only being a few months into the friendship. They were the ones that kept me away from the edge, because if they weren't there, then it would have been only two people (my parents) emotionally wounded by my choice. And then what about the meds? I wasn't good with medication at the time, because my throat just refused to let them enter my system. Medication would lead to resistance. Resistance would probably lead to more medication AND a longer stay. The cycle would most likely repeat endlessly.
But at the end, it's important to remember that these were just possibilities for me. I came out with a fate much better than many others.
(insert some sort of positive closing statement here because I can't think of anything to close this off)
I'm glad you're still here
You would have probably been fine in an institution, they heavily regulate the amount of items allowed into places like that so the chances of you even being able to hurt yourself would be pretty low.
Because of this, I'm paranoid to tell people my emotions
@@GiRR007 the chances of committing suicide in a facility like that is low, like you said, but only because they don't allow you to have anything. I don't think they would've been fine--it would only make their mental health worse, and they'd either spend their life in there, suffering, or they'd be let go with even more suicidal ideation than before. Treatment facilities don't help
Tldr
Even though I cried various times throughout the video because is a really hard topic, in the part he talked about that person with dysphoria I cried and had to take a break from watching the video, I have dysphoria myself and somebody forcing me to take off a sweater is like hell for me
It was hard for me as well. I knew the guy and I knew how hard it was for him, but I also think being his friend helped him through some things (I hope)
Oh, my god, I just got to that part and I'm shaking...That...That's...That's nightmarish...
@@sebbystm7176 Bro, I found this guy's comment right when you said that in the video
Jeez, this whole system is ready concerning
This whole thing was horrifying but that was the part of the video I had to stop. I just couldn't.
This reminds me of when I was in treatment at a place here in Texas called Sundance where the staff did alot of the same things even some punched a kid in the face. Luckily it was shut down because they were holding people against their will. So luckily nobody else has to deal with that place but like he said there's more out there that just make people's conditions worse
what part of texas? ive never heard of that.
@@vaniillazilla it was in Arlington and from what it said on their website is they were permanently closed due to the amount of lawsuits they were getting
There are a lot of RTCs like that in Texas, and very few of them get shut down, let alone investigated.
Holy shit. I personally know someone who went to that hellhole.
This entire story was super sad. I'm really glad you're doing okay, and I feel terrible for the things that had happened to you. Can't believe your parents just "gave up"
I spent 10 months in a co-ed campus where I experienced gaslighting and favoritism, to the point where my clothes were tearing from over use (even though i had new clothes to switch out, they didn't give me the "privilege" of changing my only 7 outfits for months at a time) and my confidentiality and trust was consistently broken by therapists and staff. One staff in specific was highly respected, and I still have nighmares about how she would laugh at me as she read back to me the essay she would make me write about "why i felt like I was better than everyone else in the house." She was kind and sweet to everyone else on campus, but then she would openly blame me for drama between residents, talk about me to my peers, and give me punishments that she didn't for other kids. She blatantly singled me out and destroyed any sense of self-worth and identiy i had, and she made me believe nobody would care about me if i wasn't breaking myself to please everyone else. I'm still recovering from the damage to my identity that woman and that facility caused. She got promoted a week before i left.
this is incredibly reminiscent to a place I was in for around a year as well, at the same age. it was on the other side of the country, and meant to isolate you from your usual environment. it never felt like a facility that was meant to help people. just a place to put you away so your parents don't have to deal with you anymore. I was supposed to stay there until I was 18, which would've been 3 years, but I got out early because of a suicide attempt. I was bullied there a lot, and that is hell when you are confined with a group of people and NEVER get to be away from them. when you are bullied at school, you can at least eventually go home. but there? there is no home, you are always stuck with them. the place I was in offered almost no therapy as well, it really was just a treatment center as a facade. the whole place had a single therapist who was meant exclusively for the staff, not the kids.
edit: what's also important to note is that these kinds of facilities aren't "mental hospitals". I have been in a few of those, and at least here in germany they were generally fine, especially those made for kids. staff there would be usually at least competent to a degree and trained in psychology. I've also never encountered any violence there, which was abundant in this facility. a mental hospital is meant to treat you. these kinds of facilities aren't, they are designed to take you away so you don't cause trouble and no one has to deal with you, under the guise of treating you. and because they are made for children, there is nothing you can do about it. but I can tell you that this story definitely isnt uncommon.
Off topic but love your Kobaryo pfp!
@@MochaSlushes hey thanks!
TL:DR
had a similar story
also, sorry to hear that
the world is honestly fucked up
at least here, from what I’ve heard, mental hospitals aren’t always good for treating people. i’ve heard so many cases of things like getting diagnosed with something like bpd for a suicide attempt/self harm and then not listening to them because ‘people with bpd are liars/manipulative’, forcing a kid to take a specific medication even when they told them that medication gives them seizures (and then getting angry when the kid has a seizure), giving kids way too high of doses as well as not giving them the meds that they were already taking that worked, i saw someone get some sort of injury (?) and they were completely told off until they had to be hospitalized for it, holding kids down and injecting medication into them if they refuse to take it (even if they have a valid reason for not taking it), locking kids in white rooms for acting out even if the thing they did wasn’t that bad (sometimes including drugging them beforehand), no privacy to the point where there’s no bathroom door and have to be watched while you go, etc etc. it goes on and on. that kind of stuff combined with most of the psychologists there being absolutely horrible, i’ve never heard a story from here of someone getting sent to a mental hospital here and getting better, most people here end up getting traumatized further and try to act as “normal” as possible in order to get out as quick as they can
I couldn't imagine staying a full year away from my family, My friends, (The internet lol), and just the outside world in general. Personally ive never been there but it sounds like you would go more insane from being there then getting better. I now see the perspective of the people that live in those places, or stay there. So now whenever I think or see people that live there I can feel sympathy for them, instead of judgement. Thank you for sharing this, it has opened my eyes.
I'm so glad you have a new perspective now :)
@@Azeal :)))
i know what true dysphoria is like- and just doing that to that poor boy in a "treatment center" was fucking child abuse.
yep ;-;
Same. When I was younger I was so obsessed about how I looked that I constantly tried to exercise and push my body to its absolute limit. Ended up getting a number of stress injuries (thank god most of them weren't chronic). What they were doing to that kid was absolutely horrible. I hope the person who runs that place is put in jail.
@@moss_fetttt give him a taste of his own medicine
I don't always understand my sister's fashion choices, but if someone had forced her to wear pretty much anything besides long sleeves and sweats, especially for extended periods of time, I would probably start a fight. She doesn't have dysphoria, just sensory issues, but it's still horrible that they would force a child into physical and mental discomfort as a form of punishment.
i am SO grateful that the mental hospital i was sent to was ok. the place i was sent could only keep you for a week. i was sent because i was so unstable that i probably wouldn’t have lived much longer. i was diagnosed and put on the correct meds there and i was able to get the help i needed. i can’t imagine going through something like this and it hurts my heart to know that parents send there kids to these kinds of places
Honestly if my parents threw me into one of those not only would I cut ties completely to them but find a way to fucking sue their life away cuz fuck you for sending a kid to such a hell hole. First I heard of it was from iilluminaughtii and just the fury that anyone would do such a thing. The staff should be sent the rest of their life to prison and the parent should too imo for child endangerment.
WTF does " imo " mean ?
@@JessePinkman_69420 In my opinion
@@Despoina_Nyx Thanks for clarifyan
Most parents have no idea about what happens behind the facade of treatment
The parents tend to have no idea what is actually happening in those facilities.
I'm glad they were able to share that. I feel terrible that it happened. Because I know 1st hand how bad that kind of thing is.
These kinds of things are why I'm so afraid of treatment. I don't want to be dragged away from my family, friends, and life to wither away in a room unfamiliar to me for months on end. If anything, that would make it worse.
Yeah, everyone here agrees on that, it’s so messed up, i am also concerned about that
Get a therapit that works. If you have to, th earlier the better, if you have, that things get usually worse, whatever.
Ther are also online groups that echange eperiences and hopefully alternative and tips, at least. Patient informing is important. Especially if you are nervous and , there areonling groups An in a lot of ways, people dealing with it kno better too. woul look in groups.
I’ve been to a mental hospital, and on the day I was supposed to go home they had tackled me and said I’d never see my family again, I also arrived there at midnight and had to make a bed out of the chairs to sleep in until it was daytime until reception arrived. I had also witnessed somebody try to end themselves via eating a strip of velcro they’d ripped off the wall. From what I’ve been told it was not dissimilar to jail as we got one meal which we ate in our rooms, had to take daily classes, we where escorted from the lunchroom and back, we where locked in our rooms for most of the day, the hospital made you feel like you didn’t deserve a real life, I was only there for 3 days, multiple years ago, and I still cry when I think about that. Him going through this for a year makes me feel horrible, the fact that his mind hasn’t been shattered is honestly incredible, It also makes me feel better knowing that there are others that have gone through a similar experience.
It makes my stomach twist to know that stuff like this still exists. Children with mental problems or just any problems aren’t broken objects that need to be fixed. They are people, HUMANS that just need to be understood and properly taught social skills and prepare a bit more then other kids.
Maybe instead of a away from home hospital. it should be more of a once a week school but a school that’s designed to actually help kids and give them social skills.
and kids that need rehabilitation from drugs, mental health, and physical health. The teachers and doctors work with them in a positive manner, and allow their parents to be involved as well to help with The process. Setting goals, motivation, teamwork, and maybe a program that also teaches the parents how to be more understanding and patient with their child.
I’m just tired of things like this slipping away I wish I could do something for the children like me :(
Another great talk shining a light on a side of mental health that doesn't get much exposure, thank you.
As a victim of a school that was like this, I will forever support people speaking out against this bs and horrid system. My family loved me genuinely and honestly didn't send me there with ill intent, but when the school became for profit, everything went downhill from there
You're lucky that your family loves you actually
Or you're just not in America or the UK
@@lowqualitybaldkakyoin sadly the troubled teen industry is most prevalent in America, where I sadly live.
@@chiannsmith6803 Oh...
Maybe you should move somewhere that's mostly/always been peaceful
The little kitty avatar is absolutely adorable and I love it, I also think it is wonderful that you are able to talk about your experience while most people either can't or don't.
If you’re interested in the cat avatar, it’s called the squat gym cat, you can just look it up
This video really made me see how easy I had it when going to a mental hospital. Some things that other kids are forced to go through are just absolutely horrible.
I'm also a minor with type one diabetes, and I understand how hard it is to care about what happens to you while you have this immune disorder. It truly is an awful illness that isn't recognized as much as it should be. I'm so sorry you had to go through these things, that's never easy. i really hope you're in a better place now, just know that you are never alone and that people understand. Thank you!!
I can't believe that in a mental hospital of all places, the staff set up a bloody rigid *class system* that dictates the rights of each patient. That just sounds like the perfect setup for abuse of power.
I am too autistic to do group therapy. My brain is working overtime to process what everyone is saying and doing, and I literally blank out and cannot talk about myself. I once found a group that worked for a time, but everyone in it had mental issues, only 6 people and it was 2 hours long each week
Same exept for me I dont get overstimulated I just zone out and i feel to vulnerable talking about personal topics in front of so many people
@@ivythealiencat I also don't like talking about my problems to a group of people and I get nothing out of them listening to me. Nobody there was normal though, so I felt freer to talk. With 2 hours and 6 people, we all got a chance to talk, then got silence between each person so the next person could gather their thoughts. In a way it was a free therapy session a week for us.
Now I just pay a lady who is a K-12 psychologist who works in the local school district for 2, 1 hour sessions a week. She not only understands my abuse, my autism, and her kindness and understanding help a lot. I am so lucky I found her and convinced her to see me twice a week on the phone, as me being home also makes me feel safer and more open. There has to be a right match for you if you can find it. Good luck and take care 🖖
@@hicknopunk I'm glad you were able to find a good therapist ^_^
@@ivythealiencat thank you. I wish you the best in the future.
I had to go to a more "Normal" mental health hosspital and I can confirm, most of the staff treat you like shit and then their is just like a few people who are going to be the coolest people you ever meet. But I feel for all the people who get stuck in there for long ass times, I didnt see that too much, the longest there was just over 4 months but reforn and regulation is really needed.
This brings me back to my childhood(im 44yrs old now). I was in an RTC for 4yrs. I was drugged,beaten, SA, starved, and mentally abused. Im so sorry you had to go thru that. Im proud of you for exposing this behavior of mistreatment in the mh/na type facility.
This is so sad but inspiring, you deserve a sub, goodbjob for Seb surviving all this shit and Goodjob on the interview!
Also super glad I got to hear what dev had to say, I can see he has a good heart and he doesn’t deserve what happened to him, this could have all been fixed with a single supervised trip to a family therapist.
My girlfriend is at the mental hospital rn. I hope she's not at one like this. I'd never talk to my parents again if they did some shit like this I already hate them enough.
Mental hospitals are public, what he describes here are not a mental hospital which has its own issues.
This is a "treatment center" within the "troubled teen industry". These are privately owned, run completely unchecked and usually has a religious/ideological focus. Most if not all of these are designed to traumatize teens to create emotionally stumped people who are willing to practice violence to gain a feeling of control.
The goal of these centers are not to help people. These are cults with the goal to get money out of parents who should know MUCH better than to send them off or have their teen gooned to somewhere in the middle of fucking nowhere with little opportunity to contact the outside world. I don't blame anyone that goes no contact with their parents after living through such hell.
I hope your girlfriend can get out of there safe and unharmed. Stay safe. :)
@@domo4938 Me too. I don't know much about the place and have had less and less contact with her as time went by. I'm hoping the worst isn't true at this point, but I have no way to know really.
Never talking to your parents again is too light a punishment for them.
Ugh same B(
(Hope your gf is ok btw)
I love your content. The anonymity provided by the avatars allows them to open their hearts and share their stories, while still providing a sense of interactivity and closeness. Bless you and keep going.
I knew a guy in high school whose parents sent him to one of these troubled teen things via the whole kidnapping in the middle of the night method. He had a lot of anger issues that his parents ultimately just didn't want to deal with. The people who took him didn't tell him what was going on and he didn't know until he was already on the flight. He dealt with it. Went through the whole program for about six months or so I believe. When he came back, his parents seemed to expect a whole new kid. Well, they got one because they were now dead to him. He told both of them when he turned 18 and could be on his own fully, he would never speak to either of them again. On his 18th birthday, he already had a place lined up to crash for a while. His parents hadn't really believed he would do it and tried to get him to talk as he was leaving. I heard indirectly that he told them both to go to hell and left. Don't know if he ever spoke to them again or not.
this hits home for me so fucking much...i was in a similar situation when i was 7, for less time (2 months) but it physically nearly killed me.
i was forced into a treatment center at a young age for having imaginary friends. i was never allowed to see my family, go outside, have shoes, nothing. i took a boat load of meds to "cure me" (aka they got money for each pill i took). none of the meds were ever the same and the kids who misbehaved were pinned to the ground, their rears publically exposed as they pull your pants down and gove you a shot to make you sleep.
my mother got a lawer and got me out. i had turned 8 while inside and when my family saw me, i was a week away from overdosing (doctor said so while i got a check up afterwards), having withdrawls of all the medication, extremely malnourished, scarred from countless belts they would tie around your wrists and ankles for the kids who refused to change their own bed sheets, i had lice and i was littered with bed sores.
to this day, i have permanent damage like drug-induced tirets, ptsd, and attatchment issues....im in my 20s now and i still get sent into a horrid panic attack if i wake up under a tight blankets.
Azeal, I love you, and I love your videos, but god does hearing about these institutions make my blood boil.
I was taken to a very light version of this in Southern California, and I cannot express how much my heart hurts for this guy and everyone else who suffers through this torture.
It should be illegal, full stop. No treatment should be involuntary, especially for children. It's abhorrent and abusive, and anyone who sends their child to a place like this is destined for Hell.
That anger just means you're a good person with a sense of right!
Indeed, most everyone here thinks the same way, I’m concerned for me and my friends who have issues, you can’t just do this to literal children, if we want our children to survive and be happy with life and get help, this certainly isn’t it
Theodore Kaczynski
This was my thoughts! Ignorance or no, these parents should go to hell!! If I met any of them, being spat in their faces would be the least they could expect.
I was in a system very similar to this except instead of a facility we were in the middle of nowhere in a forest doing what they called “wilderness therapy” listening to this brings back a lot of bad memories. Especially the “gooned” portion. That’s what we called it as well. I would love to share my story if possible.
i got gooned 1 year ago and i was absolutely horrified, i was literally screaming :(
@@movedaccountsbye I remember hearing stories from some of the others at the place I was. I can’t imagine the psychological trauma you went through. I got lucky and had a heads up warning. Even through I was lied to about what it would actually entail.
The worst part about this place I was at was that they also forced you to accept “a creator” in your life. It was heavily religious based. Which was even more traumatizing for me seeing as I am athiest and escaped an abusive religion myself.
Wow. I'm i my 30s now, but I was forced to go to one of those after a suicide attempt following me running away from home and getting caught. I ran away because I was being abused there. The facility I was sent into made everything worse, but in some ways was a relief even though I was given injections against my will to again, keep me calm. One kid was there, and way younger than me, suffering from hallucinations. The staff treated him very poorly, but we became friends.
I never learned what happened to him later on. I never thought about it before now. I had repressed those memories. But I do hope that wherever he is, he is okay. Things like this should be illegal. That's all I can say without violating community standards.
Tldr
@@toonikuh How rude. You took one look at it and decided to tell them their thoughts and story were too long to be cared about. If you didn’t read it or don’t care, then don’t comment.
@@laylatheskinniest WAAA WAAA WAA I DONT WANNNA FUCKING HEAR IT
@@toonikuh That was not necessary, if you don’t care about what I say ignore it instead of being a jerk about it
@@toonikuh it's people like you go out like how Stalin did.
Having Stayed In A Mid Term Psychiatric Center For 2 Months, Its Easy To Relate To This Guy. This Man Is A Trooper And I Commend Him For Going Though The Nightmare That Is The Mental Health System In Some States.
The blue kitten and the kitty boy in the VR chat are so cute that it almost was distracting from the topic of the interview. They're so adorable.
Aww ty :)
When I was young I was in and out of these kinds of facilities. Charters, Willow Institutes, and several out patient programs. I never experienced anything to this level of abuse but I can never forget the sense of emotional and mental pressure and oppression these places exude. This isn't to say they are all bad. Several of the ones I went to were really good. The major differences was in how the staff treated the kids.
I remember a place but not the name of a program in Atlanta, Georgia that was really good. People there were incredibly nice, open-minded and really gave you the impression, even as a kid, that they wanted to help you not restrain you. When I got into a fist fight there they restrained the two of us, put us in solitary until we cooled down, and then...actually talked to us. As a kid with anger issues and a growing mistrust of authority figures it was nice to finally have someone who actually listened and was just empathetic even if they didn't agree.
Vs the other places that would just tell you what you did was wrong, bad, -40 on your point sheet, busted to lvl 0, go to your room for the rest. In almost every where else when you got into a fight they would just man handle you into a solitary room, threaten to stick a needle in your ass, and then leave you there for the next how ever long. The psychs didn't seem to care, barely ever listened and only picked apart what you said when they did. And then throw in some half-assed platitude or suggestion.
Staff in those places were just awful. You weren't a kid to them, you were a mentally unstable patient that could blow up at any second and they needed to be on guard for it, and they made sure you knew how they thought. I remember only one or two people in each of those places ever treated the kids like human beings, and like kids. It became very obvious who was there for a paycheck and who was there to make a difference. The one person at Willow who actually gave a damn wrote me a very heart felt letter when I finally processed out, I kept it until I turned 23 when I finally felt comfortable enough letting it go.
instantly clicked on this video. Been waiting for another one of these
As a trained therapist, I shouldn’t even have my degree to say that mental health facilities shouldn’t operate like a cult.
I'm so sorry this happened to you. I have also fallen victim to institutional abuse and medical neglect in the past under different circumstances but can still totally relate to this. I want you to know you're loved and deserve to be healthy!
The stories people share on this channel are amazing and opened the world up to me through so many different perspectives I want to thank the people for sharing these stories.
I’m a 23 year old male and I too have been in an RTC, actually two of them to be correct. I’ll straight doxx the facilities too. The first one was Star Guides and the second was White River Academy, both from Utah. Star Guides was wonderful. It’s wilderness therapy, so you get to be out camping basically for a few months. It really got me in shape and took me out of the world for a while. I honestly think I would have been better off if I’d have just went there and called it good, but my parents were convinced by the owner of Star Guides to put me in WRA because he was the head therapist there, so money for him no matter what. He was a great guy, don’t get me wrong, but WRA is a shady place. WRA ended up stealing $30k a month from my parents insurance money and when my mom found out, she called the owner of the facility and he basically said “you say a single word to any authorities and your kid’s gonna be kicked out of this facility, lost to the whims of Utah.” I was never gooned or anything, but my parents did lie by omission to me. I lied to them a LOT, so i guess I got what was coming to me, but they basically said “we’re gonna go do soem family therapy over near Vegas,” so in my mind I’m thinking “awesome! We’ll go hang out with my cousin Nick, get a couple hours of therapy with this guy out in Vegas, come back home, and everything’s gonna be great.” Nope. Utah. And apparently my parents had also informed Star Guides that i was a second degree black belt in Tae Kwon Do (not a lie, i really am) and they got their buffest staff to transport me to the campsite in case if i tried to beat the shit out of them and refuse to go. Before we left base, my parents and I split up to go to different rooms and this experience was WEIRD. Imagine doing a drug screening for a job, but a bar bouncer is next to the door waiting for you to piss in a cup. Very odd experience. But then they had clothes all laid out for me with hiking boots and they were all like desert color themed, which immediately made me think “okay now I officially know what’s going on. My parents are sending me to military school. Makes sense, considering some of the things I’ve been doing.” But then we get to this camp site and I’m officially confused. I had a great time though out there in the Utah deserts and wouldn’t change a thing if i had to go back. Didn’t learn a damn thing from WRA though. If you are a parent seeking advice on where to send your kids, PLEASE use my personal experience as a guide for where to go. Star Guides is for boys and girls. They keep them separated by like a football feild and there is next to no communication between groups. I remember Leo and Scorpio running into Gemini and the staff members kept reminding us, “no communication with Gemini.” We weren’t even allowed to speak between Leo and Scorpio, two MALE groups! It’s a great experience and your child will thank you in the end.
That doesn't sound like a good experience. Maybe you'd have enjoyed it, but that just sounds awful to me
@@pennysantana247 What sounds awful? Camping in the wilderness? I mean yeah, i thought so too for the first few weeks, but once you get into the hang of it and you start studying the stars and learning how to make fire by hand and limiting your diet to like 15 different items, you start to enjoy the simplicity. I honestly wish I’d have stayed longer in the wilderness because of how much good it did for me. You know, we go so engulfed in the wilderness life that I figured out a way to make orange chicken with what we had. We had oranges, chicken cans, rice and lentils, some spices, and honey that I could use. You put the chicken broth/juice with some water and orange juice to make your rice in your cooking pot, then you take the can of chicken, cook that on the coals with some orange zest, honey, and lemon pepper. If you try it now, it won’t taste anything like the actual thing, but man does it remind you of home and restaurants and stuff. We also made dumplings with the flour we had and the chicken too. Hard to make, but they were SOOOOO good man hahahaha. On the flip side, the RTC i went to was basically a jail with a controlled form of gang dynamics with checking each other and having names for everything we did. Wilderness was 100,000x better
@@dedrxbbit7549 Not that. I mean being isolated with only a small group and never being able to even talk to anyone outside of it. Camping outside is a good experience in of itself. But being there with the same people? Maybe it's just me but being so isolated even when there are other people around, and having to deal with the same group 24/7 (especially as someone who gets bullied a lot) gives me intense anxiety
@@pennysantana247 okay i see what you’re saying. Think of them less as “small group of people” and more like a “tribe” in a sense. You get to experience all of this removedness with a tight nit almost-family of people. Sure, when you come into the group, you’re the outcast who is learning the ropes, but over time you find your place within the group. There’s typically about 5-10 people in said group, and there’s even a portion of your therapy when you spend time alone and can’t talk to your own group. It’s heartbreaking and yet freeing at the same time. It helps you realize that you can be alone without feeling alone. There are still people in the world who are dealing with the same struggles as you and yet you can still fight this struggle on your own. It’s empowering, not demotivating. Every fear you might have of being in that situation almost completely gets swept away within a month or two. Trust me. Ik what you’re thinking now, because I had those same emotions towards that experience in the beginning, but you come out of it refreshed. It’s kind of weird too, because when you come back to reality, everything feels off for a few days. You’re drawn back to the wilderness even though you’re back in a free world because the wilderness is what freed you.
Sorry, this comment is kind of long. Its not normally my style to comment on RUclips videos anyways, but this is something that hit so close to home that I couldn't just shut up.
I went to a mental hospital when I was 14 because I was scared I was going to end my own life. I came to my mom in tears, and she suggested a hospital in the network she worked in. She's a registered nurse for a hospital chain that I will not name. I don't remember much of the screening, I was too much of a sobbing, shaking mess at the time, but when I came in, I was informed there was no beds available, and that I'd have to sleep on the couch in the hallway of the building that the teens were kept in. I was fine with that.
I wasn't given a blanket or a pillow for the night I slept on the couch in the hallway. I couldn't even sleep due to the lights that were on and the constant chatter from the nurses. I was then made aware of something truly evil. There was a fight the previous night at dinner, shortly before I was admitted, and everyone was on lockdown in their rooms, with no group therapy sessions or anything. They had to write three pages on what happened, what they did wrong, and what they could do better next time. I was handed this assignment in the morning after being startled awake and having been held down by multiple people in the dark to take my blood when I had no idea what was going on.
They got it into my head that something awful would happen if I didn't do what I was told, and by lunch, I was starting to panic. By the time I got the lunch, it was something you had to cut with a knife. They did not supply you with a knife because it's a mental hospital. I had a breakdown at that point. I'd already been in helpless situations with school and it was a part of the reason I was suicidal and it made it so much worse.
I was stuck in the group room, not allowed to go out of it for any reason except the bathroom. The nurses refused to talk to me whatsoever, and I couldn't begin to understand what I managed to do wrong because I wasn't even present for something I was being punished for. I arguably had it worse than the other kids, because there was two to a room and you could talk to your roommate. I was not given this opportunity.
I saw my therapist / psychologist around the afternoon hours, and broke down again, telling her about how I hadn't received any help when I was informed that I was going to, and all that happened was punishment for something I didn't even do. The therapist told me not to worry about that assignment, and she'd tell the nurses that I was exempt from it, like I should have been in the first place.
I got a room at the end of the day, but that experience made me spiral back into depression, which I struggle with immensely. I couldn't sleep because the girl I was rooming with needed the lights on, and no one else wanted to switch. I took to sleeping during the days, and missed all the meal times. When my mom visited me in the hospital, and I told her that I hadn't eaten that day because I had no way of waking up on time for it, and I missed basically all the group therapy sessions except the one at night, she was absolutely livid.
I rarely saw my mother get mad. She's a kind woman with the patient of a saint, but the fury in her eyes as she reprimanded a nurse for not doing the basics like making sure a patient was fed was a shock to 14 year old me. They wouldn't allow her to bring something in for me, so when she asked if they had anything up front, they gave her cheez-its.
I checked out the day after because my mom basically slammed through the paperwork necessary to do so in a day, and even though it wasn't recommended, I was not getting the kind of treatment I should have been.
I left a scathing review of the place on Google under this account two years later. I was so filled with rage at the reviews being only filled with praise that I saw red. I had been put in the equivalent of solitary confinement for over 24 hours for no reason, and was neglected due to my depression making me unable to get up and do things, and my roommate needing the lights on that were so bright you couldn't sleep if you wanted to.
There is no positive to my stay. The therapist I saw afterwards because my previous one refused to see anyone that was older than 12 belittled the trauma I had there and subsequent traumas I suffered from my current abuser because she saw the same person and there was nothing I could do about it. It shattered my view of the mental health industry.
I don't know how heartless you have to be to tell a crying child begging to know what they did wrong to basically fuck off and stop bothering you, but if it's in a mental healthcare facility, you should know better.
I've had some pretty hard lows since then, but I would rather die than go back to that hospital. The trauma from the isolation and the blood draws still sticks with me to this day. I can't be alone for too long anymore without anything to do without an episode. I can't even do blood tests when I used to take on vaccinations before my little sister to show that it wasn't that bad.
We, as a society, need to take a serious look at how we deal with mental health patients, and instead of treating them worse than you would with a criminal, treat them with the same respect you give a patient with a physical problem. The fact that I was a minor and didn't know any better at the time makes it all the more worse. If you're actively about to harm someone or yourself, and you've exhausted all other options, I still encourage checking into a hospital, but only if you can't do anything else, because your life is important.
I'm so sorry that the interviewed person on this video had to go through such a horrible experience. My trauma from the 3 day hospital stay was from 2014, and I'm still struggling with the effects from it.
I was a staff at RTC for three months and I have nightmares of the abuse, and it wasn't as nearly as bad of a place as the kids told me they had been to before. They do not train you more than three hours. They do not do proper background checks on employees beyond making sure they didn't commit any crimes. Most of these things are done in utah because LDS has such a chokehold on everything there and makes it easy to cover it up. And the worst part?
The children are almost never the problem. It's the parents. it's always the parents. Be it from not setting boundaries, to never being there, to flat out just thinking they can never communicate and just buy their child's love, then get angry when the child starts to become their own person.
Parents who paid more money got the child more love and attention, compared to parents who paid bare minimum.
Hey man, thank you for this comment - if you want to add me on discord, we might be able to set up a time for you to be on a video, if you're at all interested. My tag is Azeal#0001, just shoot me a friend request. I'll be asking you to verify it's you by replying to this comment when you add me to make sure nobody else impersonates you.
"Living life trying to make every week different" is such an accurate way to describe it. I've been in two psych wards, and I made different origami things every day and even a pillow fort once. It was nice when someone had an outburst, a change of pace for the rest of us :/
Mental hospitals don't often don't understand their patients, but ESPECIALLY not their neurodivergent patients. Having something interesting to do will make anyone go crazy, but disorders like ADHD make it so much worse.
For me, I wasn't "gooned", I was told I could either go or they'd (the court) have it ordered and I'd be picked up by police. I of course thought that it was a joke, but no. The next day, the police were there and I (at 11 years old) was put in the back of a cop car and placed into a temporary foster care where I was abused and then moved on to a fully locked down mental facility. From ages 11 to 17 I was forced in an out of these "hospitals" where I only got more and more depressed and experienced more trauma that I had when I was free to be a kid... So I can relate man, I'm sorry you had to go through this, only a select few *actually* need to be in places like this
Ive been to three in patients for around 1 or 2 weeks each. The first one i went to was so fucking nice compared to the others which were just so garbage.
The 2nd one i went to wasnt that bad, but was more like a teen prison than a mental hospital for suicidal kids. Im trans and there were two sides to the facility. The girls side, and the boy's side. They had me on the boy's side and put me in this room that had a lock from the outside, a camera in the corner, a bed that had one pillow and one paper thin blanket. That was all I got. I got there at around 10, and the staff had the lights on and were noisy throughout the entire night. I was so ungodly anxious throughout the entire night because I was scared somebody was gonna lock me in.
The entire time, they had us in the main room area (we werent allowed in our rooms for too long anyways) and would watch this one movie over and over again. We had 30 minutes to go out to this other room area where we wouldnt even have enough time to play a game of monopoly. Other than that, we had lunch for an hour and that was literally it for the entire day. I dont remember if we got breakfast or lunch. Sometimes we had this gym time for 45 minutes which was sorta fun and 20 minutes of group therapy, but out of the entire 12 hours we were awake only 3-ish of those were spent doing things that actually helped us cope. The rest of the 9 were spent doing nothing but talking and maybe playing uno.
The saddest part was is that we were talking to this one girl (she was on the boy's side for around an hour because she was leaving) who said she was going to leave to just commit suicide again. Or at least attempt to, and a lot of the patients talked about how they're just lying to get out because they didnt try to help. The staff gave you medication and left you out to fend for yourselves.
This other trans kid ( 2 other trans kids came after me, we got a room on the girls side ) had withdrawls because the staff made them stop their medication that they've been taking for years to switch to this other one. The poor guy had to sit in room all day and couldnt eat shit. Once he was able to, he scarfed down 3 bowls of this pasta that we got at lunch and then threw it all up.
Theres some funny stories though, I spent a dollar at the vending machine to get some popcorn and the staff put the damn thing in there for 5 whole minutes. Then they gave it to me and never gave me anything else, I gave it to this other kid who liked burnt popcorn. Also I remember those trans kids started toilet papering the ceilings because they were bored and had literally nothing to do. They got in trouble so they had to stay in their rooms all day and werent allowed to go anywhere else except for the cafeteria for lunch. Because theres punishments in a mental institute for... some reason.
They put you on the boys side because you think you're a girl just by identifying as one 💀
Your whole body and mind isn't going to change magically to a girl's one you know
@@generic_tough_guy.4830 Oof
I'm thankful to have a family that would never send me to such a place, I'm sorry you weren't so lucky.
same, a good family is vital to recovery.
I was in places exactly like that when I was younger. I remember one place had a table where they strapped misbehaving children to it, to restrain them and the staff would stand over them. I been to four of those kinds of places. It was stressful.
Watching this really got to me. I was in the same shoes at the same age, and my foot was in the door to be admitted. With one of my friends having been. Majoring in psychology, I came to learn many ways of helping ones self. And many of the practices these institutions do are of the exact opposite. Different subjects require different treatments but depravity, abuse and isolation can lead to mental anguish and psyhotic breaks. As well as PTSD that never truly goes away. Hearing him speak about this, gave me encouragement to continue with my career path. So that one day I can prevent this from happening to anyone needing help.
I was not raised by my birth mother, but I know she spent time in a psych ward multiple times. She had her problems, but I think that being in a psych ward did nothing to help. My mothers who have raised me, and who my birth mother personally made sure I made my way to as my brother was with them also, have truly helped and would never ever in a million years subject me to something that horrible. I'm glad that they made it out.
Thank you for letting your guests' story come to light Azeal.
In my home town, there was a incident with "gooning". Where the parents didnt say anything to him, and he was someone who our school knew him as the kid that was quiet but nice, just had small anger issues cuz of the bullies that we had, which some of us kept interrupting them and stopping them as much as we could, (the school didnt do shit to the bullies). One day he stopped coming to school, and we found within the week about what happened, and apperently the night the gooning happened he was awake playing games, and when they came in he quickly reached for a knife he had and killed both of the guys who were supposed to do it and screamed for his parents and called the police...(hearing this from his cousin). And from what the news paper reported + what we've heard, apperently the kid was being charged for murder and considered "insane" by the court and his parents. Few weeks later after that, we found out he commited suicide, cuz the police and his parents were blaming him, where as his grandparents and other family members were furious about this, even to the point where a majority of our grade started speaking out about this, specially his cousin and his friends who knew him.
The new station never reported on this, yet meanwhile they reported on one of our teachers who was looking at porn(the students knew that he was covering up for someone else) and got fired. Legit still furious about this.
Jesus fuck.
My first year of highschool I spoke to a school psychologist, and I started crying mid sentence, I noticed she wrote some things down and then went to call my mom to come pick me up, I've always had anxiety issue and when I was very young my grandma who I lived with was very mentally abusive ever since then anyone who reminded me of her, (basically every Karen soccer mom) would set me off, sometimes I would cry sometimes I was just phase out (basically felt like fainting without warning) the school psychologist set me off but I just was crying, just tears no phasing out no weird mental shit...nothing. she felt that was enough to send me to some ward place, my mom drove me and we talked to a few people and I watched things people coming and going all being dragged in. I never seen something so violent right up close, luckily my mom saw this place definitely wasn't for me and all we did there was look around. I never spoke to that psychologist again I wished she got fired. Hearing all these screwed up stories makes me so glad my mom chose not to put me in I was so close to experiencing it
Goes to show that the the cover and even the first few pages of a book might seem nice, but when it hits the climax it can truly be something that brings dismay. Nice video 👍
I'm glad people are finally talking about how awful mental hospitals are, I wasn't there for long, but it was one of my worst experiences I've ever been through
I went to an RTC for stealing (as other things) from my family. I was there for a length of half a year. I was a lucky one and I was able to stay in the same state as my family. During that time I was treated well and had school during that particular time. It’s a scary experience for me. Mainly because I wasn’t told where I was going I was basically told “ hey your going to be staying somewhere else for a while pack your stuff we leave within the hour” and when we got there I was escorted in and told I wouldn’t see my family for a long while. We had people in the same facility for a plethora of things spanning from dv to having autism. Oddly enough while I was there for the 6 months I felt more at home than when I was at my own house. I had probably one of the better experiences while within that place. I’m glad to see that someone else shared their story.
(I know mine isn’t really a story but I felt like I had to get it of my chest)
There was a time when I was in the youth wing (Ages 12-16) of a mental hospital, and the staff quite clearly showed that they had NO interest in truly helping the patients. One particular time I vividly remember, was when another patient (13 years old) started having epileptic seizures. Now, one of the cardinal rules when dealing with a person having an epileptic fit is to move everything away from them that can be moved, and leave the patient able to flail. But no. In this hospital, as soon as this kid started seizing, the staff (I can't even call them doctors) immediately moved in and forcibly restrained him. He ended up breaking every long bone in his extremities. And even when his bones were snapping, the staff were STILL restraining this kid. That's NOT how a hospital should be run.
Their handling of medications wasn't much better. The whole reason I was in the hospital in the first place, was because I would occasionally have episodes where I blacked out and was extremely violent. But I never remembered what happened during these episodes. My family called these episodes meltdowns, for obvious reason. So the staff would always prescribe medications to "treat" the problem, but it never worked. Instead, the medications would cause side effects that were worse than the original problem. This lead to a vicious cycle where by the end of it, I had 7 or 8 different medications, with only two of them having less than 250mg amounts. And it nearly killed me.
One of the medications was a neurosuppressant designed to be a build up and sustain medication where they start you on an intentionally high dosage to let it build up in your system, and they're then supposed to lower you to a maintenance dose. From what I understand, it worked by interfering with the neurotransmitters for the voluntary muscle groups. Except they never lowered my dosage, so it kept building up and building up, causing issues like me becoming more and more lethargic until eventually, my family took me to a different hospital, where after some bloodwork was done, they found that the amounts of the medicine in my system were so high that if I had continued that level of intake for two more weeks, it WOULD have killed me by completely shutting down my entire nervous system, so I was immediately put into detox. And I was only 15 years old at the time.
They also did some EKG's and EEG's and figured out that the cause of my meltdowns was actually mid-brain seizures, which is a form of epilepsy, if I remember correctly. And this was the first time anybody had even THOUGHT to figure out the underlying issue, instead of looking at all the surface symptoms and making a 10-second judgement call.
Anyways, I eventually finished the detox and was released from the hospital. And I find it extremely telling that the last meltdown I had before they stopped completely was about 2-3 weeks BEFORE I was taken off those medications. After I was taken off, my seizures stopped, leading my family to believe that it was the medications themselves that were causing me so many issues.
Because of all this, I've also made it a policy to refuse any and all medications that are capable of affecting my brain. I won't even take aspirin or benadryl.
I later heard that during a situation after I left, with a similar epileptic fit, the kid actually died during the restraint. And I've heard MORE than a few stories about those staff causing fatal ODs with their insane prescription methods. Last I heard, that bad hospital was shut down and the entire staff actually jailed and banned from ever working in the medical field ever again.
It feels amazing to see people talking about this. It’s good to know that I’m not alone. What I went through wasn’t anything like this, but it still severely hurt me. I’m still recovering from what I went through, even three years later.
To anyone else who has been abused by doctors and staff of medical facilities whom you should have been able to trust, you are not alone. What happened to you was wrong and you are allowed to be angry about it.
To staff of mental facilities who participate in or are compliant to the systemic abuse of these vulnerable people, you are disgusting. You deserve to burn for what you did to me and my friends.
Very informative, as always. Thank you for sharing your story!
I was sent to inpatient because my therapist thought I was suicidal, I had never thought of doing it, but because I was told I would go before we went. I had deep resentment for everyone in that room, including my mother. I was sent willingly. Took me 6 days to get out. I threatened my mother that we would never be able to have a stable relationship again if I was kept there longer. We have gotten better, I was sent on my birthday month. I cried every night I was there. Listening to this video made me remember how it was like there. Staff was rude. There were only 2 staff we liked, 1 only came on the weekends. Thank you for sharing this story! It tells people how messed up things can really be
I hope this finds a way to reach the kid.
You are strong, not many could go through what you went through and come out the other side sane. I was admitted to a psych hospital for suicide and deep depression, long story short i was well taken care of and healed. i can imagine pretty well what wouldve happend to me and other people if i was to be admitted to a place like you describe. You have great strength, i would not have survived a place like that, i was in a very dark place. I hope you are doing alright brother.
It's crazy to hear so many tragic stories from here, what a messed up world we live in.
Yep..
Okay speaking as someone who is an ABA therapist, things like CB and IF is horrific. First peer aggression should be handled much differently. You need to remove the peer being aggressed against then find the root of the issue as to why the person is aggressing. Then you react based on the function of the behavior. You also do not do choke holds. Unless you are certified in pcm, you do not put your hands on a kid. Even then it is holds that do not harm the kids or yourself. These treatment centers seem like more focused on breeding obedience than progress.
And I can tell you obedience at least from me is actually pretty easily attained through mutual respect and kindness. Places like this would just make me violent and then even more violent when they tried to punish me for being violent until I or a guard got severely beaten and hurt bad enough that I would go to jail where I would likely spend most of my time muzzled and locked in the hole because unless I'm given kindness and mutual respect it just endlessly raises my aggression and violence. I do go to therapy for a lot of reasons but nothing makes me more angry than people thinking they've "taken" power away and now they think they can treat me or my friends like dirt. I would never learn in an environment like this and neither would most other mentally unstable people. I'm not even a violent person I just have deep seated emotional trauma caused by cops when I was a child and It's not just police, anyone in a similar position acting like a jerk causes this extreme anger. Obviously I am working on these problems with my therapist but still you'll never reach anyone on an emotional level where the problems reside by putting people in choke holds or demeaning them.