I just realized that I mispronounced Sugiuchi's name the entire video lol. I don't know why I thought it was Suguichi. EDIT: Another clarification that Katsuragi wasn't planning to wipe out the whole Ueno Seiwa clan, just the ones at the ramen restaurant that he considered competition for his rise to power.
You know how can you fix it? Only Majima has a bag with weapons. He doesn't show up. Saejima sees this and thinks that its now or never. He grabs anything hard hitting he can find lying around and barges into the ramen shop. Beating everyone in a very brutal manner all by himself. He gets arrested and while he's out Katsuragi shoots everyone lying around. He then proceeds to tell the police and bribe his way into claiming that "Saejima shot everyone". Something along those lines. That way we could've finally touched this gray area of borderline commiting murder but not directcly by your hand (but by your actions).
And to Arai shooting Munakata we could've seen a bloody wound on a Munakata's face or an eye. It would be bloody and it would look similar enough to a gunshot wound, but in reality is just an ugly bruise. idfk if that makes any sense, but its better than fucking nothing
Yeah this honestly might've been better lol. One alternative I was thinking of was just for Saejima to get real bullets and Katsuragi wear a bullet proof vest. He could still get shot by Sugiuchi and Munakata could still realize the suspicious circumstances of this event. The only issues are considering how Ueno survives (or if he even needs to survive for Katsuragi to gain more power) and how Munakata would be able to figure out Arai's betrayal without that dumb fakeout death. So it wouldn't completely fix the issue, but simple changes like this could fix so much.
Y4 is like one of those games where they have a lot of really incredible ideas and set pieces, but they just can't get them to make sense and flow together. Like, the intentions are THERE and the heart is THERE but what ties them together is just pathetic. Great video!
Yeah Zero is great, out of the Yakuza games I've played it's still probably the best. Most of them are still good (especially in terms of combat and side stuff) but the writing is a lot more inconsistent.
I think your part on Saejima explains it all. The rubber bullets were there for the game designers to not have a playable 'murderer'. They're extremely afraid of writing a nuanced protagonist that kills in cutscenes.
I've played all the main Yakuza games, from the PS2 era on, and I'm very fond of them; however I completely agree, their stories are usually a garbled mess, and it irks me that fans are not willing to recognize the writing is so sub par, even when it damages the series as a whole. The last straw for me were the stories of Gaiden and Infinite Wealth: I won't spoil anything, but I think they were a nostalgia pandering disappointment. Thanks for the video, much appreciated!
Thank you for watching. ☺️ Yeah the writing for these games is very messy lol, I already have a couple more Yakuza videos like this that I'm working on. I haven't played Gaiden or Infinite Wealth yet, hoping I'll enjoy them but I wouldn't be surprised if they still have similar issues.
@@manthedan4828 My suggestion is: temper your expectations. They are enjoyable games (Infinite Wealth more than Gaiden, which is repetitive but mercifully short), as long as you know that the writing has the usual mishandling, a.k.a. lots of lows and a couple of memorable highs.
So many people brush off this twist?! You realize that the only thing that comes to anyone's mind when talking about Y4 is "rubber bullets"? This is THE most overused thing to joke about it in regards for this game.
You'd be surprised how many people defend it, I see plenty of posts and analysis videos talking about why it isn't that bad and isn't a "real" issue with the story. I was more talking about those people, but I'm very aware how infamous this twist is in general lol.
I honestly think the rubber bullets plot twist is pretty well done in regards to the ueno hit, but every other usage of them in the rest of the story is ridiculously stupid
I think they're both bad but for slightly different reasons. While rubber bullets have a ton of problems in concept and execution, they are somewhat foreshadowed before the actual twist. I actually like the idea of Aizawa as a final villain and his motivations if the story actually bothered to set them up prior to the ending. It feels like he's gone through a whole character arc off screen and we only get to see the ending without context. Also it makes Kurosawa seem pretty dumb for relying on Aizawa for his master plan.
@@manthedan4828 after I finished 5 i thought that they were maybe planning to do a spin off game with aizawa or something but that they never ended up making it
Nahh aizawa was cool, and people mistook aizawa for being kurosawa's actual son and call him a hypocrite for calling out daigo but aizawa became his son only after swearing an oath .
I just realized that I mispronounced Sugiuchi's name the entire video lol. I don't know why I thought it was Suguichi.
EDIT: Another clarification that Katsuragi wasn't planning to wipe out the whole Ueno Seiwa clan, just the ones at the ramen restaurant that he considered competition for his rise to power.
You know how can you fix it?
Only Majima has a bag with weapons. He doesn't show up. Saejima sees this and thinks that its now or never. He grabs anything hard hitting he can find lying around and barges into the ramen shop. Beating everyone in a very brutal manner all by himself. He gets arrested and while he's out Katsuragi shoots everyone lying around. He then proceeds to tell the police and bribe his way into claiming that "Saejima shot everyone". Something along those lines. That way we could've finally touched this gray area of borderline commiting murder but not directcly by your hand (but by your actions).
And to Arai shooting Munakata we could've seen a bloody wound on a Munakata's face or an eye. It would be bloody and it would look similar enough to a gunshot wound, but in reality is just an ugly bruise. idfk if that makes any sense, but its better than fucking nothing
Yeah this honestly might've been better lol. One alternative I was thinking of was just for Saejima to get real bullets and Katsuragi wear a bullet proof vest. He could still get shot by Sugiuchi and Munakata could still realize the suspicious circumstances of this event. The only issues are considering how Ueno survives (or if he even needs to survive for Katsuragi to gain more power) and how Munakata would be able to figure out Arai's betrayal without that dumb fakeout death. So it wouldn't completely fix the issue, but simple changes like this could fix so much.
My friend once said about yakuza "it's like the two teams in charge of side quests and the main story had no idea each other existed"
Y4 is like one of those games where they have a lot of really incredible ideas and set pieces, but they just can't get them to make sense and flow together. Like, the intentions are THERE and the heart is THERE but what ties them together is just pathetic. Great video!
Saving this gem when I get to Yakuza 4. Only played Yakuza 0 a while back, and loved it immensely.
Yeah Zero is great, out of the Yakuza games I've played it's still probably the best. Most of them are still good (especially in terms of combat and side stuff) but the writing is a lot more inconsistent.
Yakuza 0 is 100 perct the best
I think your part on Saejima explains it all. The rubber bullets were there for the game designers to not have a playable 'murderer'. They're extremely afraid of writing a nuanced protagonist that kills in cutscenes.
Had me hooked to the screen, great vid mandadan
I've played all the main Yakuza games, from the PS2 era on, and I'm very fond of them; however I completely agree, their stories are usually a garbled mess, and it irks me that fans are not willing to recognize the writing is so sub par, even when it damages the series as a whole. The last straw for me were the stories of Gaiden and Infinite Wealth: I won't spoil anything, but I think they were a nostalgia pandering disappointment.
Thanks for the video, much appreciated!
Thank you for watching. ☺️ Yeah the writing for these games is very messy lol, I already have a couple more Yakuza videos like this that I'm working on. I haven't played Gaiden or Infinite Wealth yet, hoping I'll enjoy them but I wouldn't be surprised if they still have similar issues.
@@manthedan4828 My suggestion is: temper your expectations. They are enjoyable games (Infinite Wealth more than Gaiden, which is repetitive but mercifully short), as long as you know that the writing has the usual mishandling, a.k.a. lots of lows and a couple of memorable highs.
Honestly, Yakuza 4's story feels like if Vince Russo was a fan of Infernal Affairs.
So many people brush off this twist?! You realize that the only thing that comes to anyone's mind when talking about Y4 is "rubber bullets"? This is THE most overused thing to joke about it in regards for this game.
You'd be surprised how many people defend it, I see plenty of posts and analysis videos talking about why it isn't that bad and isn't a "real" issue with the story. I was more talking about those people, but I'm very aware how infamous this twist is in general lol.
This feels like a twist one of the Ace Attorney writers would come up with.
I honestly think the rubber bullets plot twist is pretty well done in regards to the ueno hit, but every other usage of them in the rest of the story is ridiculously stupid
While I can somewhat forgive rubber bullets for the Ueno hit (since I love y4), with Aria there is no way 😭
Better than 5's Aizawa
No
@@C-xn1dw yes
I think they're both bad but for slightly different reasons. While rubber bullets have a ton of problems in concept and execution, they are somewhat foreshadowed before the actual twist. I actually like the idea of Aizawa as a final villain and his motivations if the story actually bothered to set them up prior to the ending. It feels like he's gone through a whole character arc off screen and we only get to see the ending without context. Also it makes Kurosawa seem pretty dumb for relying on Aizawa for his master plan.
@@manthedan4828 after I finished 5 i thought that they were maybe planning to do a spin off game with aizawa or something but that they never ended up making it
Nahh aizawa was cool, and people mistook aizawa for being kurosawa's actual son and call him a hypocrite for calling out daigo but aizawa became his son only after swearing an oath .
Kiryu fought a tiger w his bare hands and u worried bout taking the story seriously
2 tigers.
@@SarcasmSanctioned exactly !
@@SarcasmSanctioned in a castle made of solid gold that rose from the ground after the original castle split in half
@@b.lazing9923 and let's not forget about the stab wound.
The Like A Dragon games having over the top set pieces and comedic moments doesn't mean they don't take themselves seriously.
Your not supposed to take yakuza seriously it's satirical