found this petition to keep paragon going, even if its just to show how much we love the game I hope some of you will support it www.change.org/p/epic-games-...share_petition
Ace, thank you for being an idol for me these past two years. Your immaculate presentation and execution was something I always strived to emulated. You were an inspiration I used for my ongoing involvement in the community. I always looked forward to watching your daily videos, and for that, thank you. What kills me the most and brings me to tears is that we won’t have this remarkable platform of a game to bring us and the rest of the community together. Absolutely rips my heart apart. Thank you Ace. Truly. ❤️
Ace and Sylphin, my favorite Paragon content creators. I’m enthusiastically awaiting the next game or thing you guys sink your teeth in and will continue following you guys. Thanks for all the Paragon wisdom and entertainment the both of you have published for me and the rest of the community. ♡
We know it's just a game, but what will you feel if you are a football player and you have a strong injury that makes you not play your favorite game again? It's hard :(
Brian Puente i dont really agree with that because games these days are more than just games games today can create careers for its fans if they have the skill and personality so its more than just a game tbh if league of legends died tomorrow morning alot of people would end up having to look for jobs the same morning
watching legacy gameplay makes me so sad that im never gonna play this game again....oh and Ace i think you should make a video with some other paragon players( hollow, nibori etc) having a big discussion about paragon , we would all love that
Paragon died because Epic Games moved all their employees to develop Fortnite instead of Paragon... Now that I think of it, Paragon never actually released, it’s still in Beta. RIP Paragon
Paragon lost its tier 1 tower with the release of Monolith - ridiculous attack speeds and a higher movement speed on a smaller map created instant issues. The fans loved legacy and instantly missed it. They lost their tier two tower with the new card system - 3-card builds banished originality - these huge changes made existing players leave, and the new players had no true tutorials or training modes to familiarise themselves with the game. Their inhibitors went down with broken patches that broke the game - characters desperately needing a nerf or buff and it taking months to solve. Lack of ranked and poor matchmaking algorithms created a disparity in skill and experience levels, leading to frustrating and toxic match ups. In my opinion, they never lost their core, but they voted to surrender. They didn’t play as a team. They never reached their ‘Prime’. And as a result, they won’t proceed to their reward. Return to the void. 😔
Hi, I was reading through the comments and someone suggested that you should try the souls games or the last of us and I just wanted to tell you why I watched your videos. It was because of those "THEY AIN'T NOTHING!!!" moments. When you would outplay them and then scream something funny like that. I liked those moments a lot, and every video had at least one of them. I'm not sure if you can have moments like that in single player games. True story: Was playing Paragon in solo q and we were losing. One team member, after dying, said "Feels bad man" and I said "RGSACE: Feels bad man..." and another team member said "THEY AIN'T NOTHING!!". We bonded over this catchphrase of yours and we won that game. This is not to say you shouldn't try single player games on your channel. I was just saying why I liked your Paragon videos.
well said, rip paragon you will be deeply missed and who knows.... as Epics vision might get clearer in the future, maybe a Paragon 2 will arrive :) but I wonder why they are shutting it down, people are still playing the game? Why not just leave it as an "un-updated" game and keep it rolling for people that are enjoying the game, why a complete shut down? Thats what I wanna know... if anyone have any ideas on why that is not possible lemme know. Does the servers cost too much to keep online? Is it impossible to make a "offline" game version? Enlighten me please :) thanks
All these team fights ... ones that don't end in the blink of an eye is what kept me in this game. The graphics, the characters and the map drew me in ... but this gameplay (Legacy) is what sealed the deal. I never liked Monolith, but I never quit hoping to see a version of the game that would match or surpass Legacy Paragon. What do I have to show for it? A year of waiting for something that was never going to happen, a broken heart seeing this thing I loved die and crushing disappointment because I will never experience this again. At least I found you Ace :) Ps: That Grux blink-intercepting Murdock at 9:35 was SICK!
They killed their own game Legacy was Great and all they needed to balance was travel mode but instead created Monolith which resulted in them losing a lot of OG players
The fact that the community was begging for Legacy should have ment something to Epic. I never played a MOBA before in my life. The bigger stage allowed me to figure it out. It was a slower paced game, which gave you time to figure it out. Seeing how it was a MOBA on ps4, a lot of players needed that time. Of I hadn't gotten some of the basics down while playing Legacy, Monolith would has driven me away (It did for a lil bit). They should have had two stages. The bigger stage with longer game times, then the smaller stage, faster and condensed. The fact they were so stubborn to not listen to half of the player base, is the reason they lost half of the play base that never came back. I came for Paragon but I'm staying because of you.
Honest question, why can’t epic sell the rights to someone else also I don’t want it to seem that I boycott fortnite or even blame it, I just have never liked it
all solid arguments that i agree with. They lost a lot of their loyal fans "founders" when they switched to monolith since it was a completely different game. To make it even worse, the new players that were to play this game quickly left after a few matches. with the terrible matchmaking and imbalanced game play, etc. Epic were essentially ruining their game but their "data" indicated otherwise. i think i can speak for all of the community here in that we feel betrayed.
I’ll miss this game. all they had to do was make the base Movement speed A little slower then travel mode then take travel mod out. Then leave Legacy as the main map.
God, this makes me hurt. I started playing paragon 3 weeks before they released monolith. I loved those 3 weeks more than the year I played monolith. Legacy just had a special feel to it, and it was the first time I had played a MOBA, so it had an even more special place in my heart. Sad to think what could (and should) have been, but no one is gonna stop the CHAMP. Not now, not ever!
Bruh Paragon was the only Game i was playing and Ive played many Games in my Life but Paragon was my favorite Multiplayer. I bought a Bluetooth Keyboard Just to be able to Chat ingame on ps4 :( this would be my Game for the Rest of my gaming years .Rip Paragon now i have to sell my ps4 because all other Multiplayers are shiet and fortnite isnt fun playing 24/7
It is really sad. I wish I had a chance to play Legacy map, but more importantly, I truly believe if they TRULY wanted Paragon to succeed they would've listened to the suggestions of you and Sylphin and Lordy. Honestly, they just threw in the towel because they felt it wasn't worth working on or putting the work into, and that is bad since US the community was willing to do what it takes to make it succeed. Really heartbroken to hear you not say the end of the video just now smoothly, really it does. Keep it up though Champ, I'm sure the path you choose next, will be an amazing one, and we WILL follow you
I don’t know what epic was thinking when they released V42, they lost players when they removed Legacy, and then they cahnge, not only the map but the card system as well, no existing paragon player wanted that but they did it anyway. I hope epic can learn from this mistake and actually listen to their fans in the future
SpetZemas too be honest, coming from being a dota and league player paragons card system wasn't for me. I liked the new version. Not too say I didn't get the old one, but it was so static, the new card system was fun, fresh and unique even if they did take card ideas from dota or league.
Vibe Raider oh ok, my bad that was kind of a general statement saying that no one wanted the new card system, I’ll just go ahead and say that a lot of players left because of it
Epic just didn't know what they were doing with Paragon, they changed the game drastically 3 or 4 times so it was clear they were lost, really they should have just copied SMITE and added their own twist on it with the card system just like they copied PUBG with Battle Royale and added the building mechanic. I feel like they wanted to be a MOBA at first and later wanted be more like Overwatch because of how popular Overwatch was.
It’s all good, I’m here for your content man. Paragon brought me some great times and laughs. It does suck that the game is going away. I’ve played over 700 games and over 500 just this season. I do think they should sell the game to a company that will put everything they have into it. There’s no reason this game can’t be like it use to be. Bring back legacy, drop a hero every couple months and let it rip
this gameplay on legacy makes me sad, I feel your pain bro, you put a lot of effort into paragon and Epic Games. Feels a shame to see this die. Best of luck Ace, we'll follow you wherever you go. Keep up what your doing, you wont let us down.
I'm done with epic, Invested a lot of time with paragon, listened to false statements by epic that they will press on. I had 14 master's, practiced and played competitively, and will no longer invest anymore of my time to epic games. My first game away, is sea of thieves. GLHF, and Gg o7
Do you think that Epic should sell paragon to another developer? I think that all the building blocks are set and someone who has a clear vision for the game could see it through. I mean I can’t really see any negatives to epic selling or passing paragon on.
Rgs, you are spot on. My group of paragon friends also agree. I knew that moving away from the Legacy map was the downfall of the game. I almost quit playing as soon as they did that. I carried on only because my friends played Paragon and I hoped that one day I could swallow or stomach the new map but I never did, not like Legacy. I always missed Legacy and not because I was stubborn and not because I wasn't willing to change but because I loved the map, everything about it. I said to everybody recently that epic ought to release a open server version of legacy just like Counter-Strike or other games like that and let people make their own forum rules Etc. and game rules, and ultimately save the game. And I maintain that view and will always maintain that view. I was emotionally and deeply invested in to Paragon, it was the worst gaming experience I ever had that they shut it down but mainly that they moved from it from Legacy. That hurt the most. Then the card changes sealed it's fate. They had a perfect game going with Legacy, a completely unique and different gaming experience that I fell in love with and would still play today. I say bring back Legacy, bring back paragon.
your fortnite video comment stood out for me...i don't know if people are boycotting your Fortnite videos because of Epic, its just this game isn't as interesting. Its running around and shooting at people; no real strategy there so nothing exciting about that (at least for me)... much respect and love and thanks for all the paragon content over the years
We'll never forget Paragon and we'll never forget you, RGSACE! Even though I have only a measly 112 RUclips subscribers I too built my youtube channel on Paragon and now I too feel lost. I think I'll likely get back to playing a lot of Gigantic, Monster Hunter, and For Honor, but it'll never be the same. I never played another MOBA before Paragon and I don't think I'll ever play another after it unless another dev, inspired by all that Paragon did for the MOBA genre, takes the concept and runs with it. RIP Paragon, my favorite game of all time that never saw the light of day :(
Scrapping Paragon entirely was just shocking. No resources to put in it at all? Following the 2018 roadmap was probably all they needed to fix many issues. I refuse to believe that these ideas are completely gone. Perhaps kept in a box to be revived in the future.
Personally I don't blame Fortnite for the ending Paragon but I do feel that Fortnite's success did allow them to give up on the game sooner. If they were entirely invested I think they would've asked us sooner on what to do. But I more so blame the arrogance of Epic. I felt like they were too sure of themselves with every update instead of asking and polling what their players wanted, it's Epic's game but in the end we decide if the game is worth are time or not. Either way I still love your channel and I was actually in the middle of your Fortnite video before I saw this. (I'm just not really a br fan. ) Either way I don't think Epic will be getting anymore of my money till I see a game I can support also where I find their vision is completely cemented.
Ace I have to disagree. Fortnite killed Paragon. Without Fortnite Epic would try to save their own game. They asked the community and the community answered like Sylphin with his tutorials. But Fortnite showed them how to make easy money. And because this they disrespect their own community. Its a shame. And for me they are dead. As a developer u can't give up ur own game. And also not if ur community will help u. Epic has no respect. If they have respect they would sell Paragon or try to listen unstead shutting down. And if I could I would buy Paragon with my time of my life #justmoneyrulez #nevereverepic
Watching the gameplay of this video sent me back. All the names in the kill feed and the sheer fun those matches were! Solid video with honest, reasonable insight. I have my own opinions of course, but at the end of the day, I'm glad we had a game like this to make the videos, to stream, to compete, to make a new community and make all the friends we did. Good luck in what's next, you know I'm a message away
play monster hunter and dark souls. Monster Hunter launches soon, on February I think and Dark Souls 1 is getting a remaster. I'd love to see you playing this games!
Yeah i ve also stopped playing a couple months ago ,monolith just felt like shit tbh. Pick or lose heros, jungle felt like it had hardly any impact at all and the card system changing over time to be what it is now, i dont know what most of you think but with every patch i felt like this game was a sinking ship and epic games tried to lure us and keep us playing with free rewards(skins,banners etc). I think they just should have kept legacy as a playable mode in the game
The last bit of this video's outro depressed me more than all the Paragon tributes I've watched, you can just feel something, (numbness? sadness?) something real
I'm glad I'm not the only one who thought Epic were the ones that killed Paragon and not Fortnite. They had no reason to make the new map in order to fix travel mode when in the end they just changed the map and the move speed and the card system so that you have an equally unbalanced game. This game was so full of potential and so special to me and I'm really sorry to see it go but hey there's always a chance for the future of paragon right?
I was searching a good MOBA game then I discovered your channel, I did then play paragon, not because it looked great, but because you were soo sympathic when you played that game. I'am still ashamed to know that there wont be paragon anymore, but it's ok because you are still here
If they released paragon as the old legacy version i would go back and play every single day, as i have in the past before monolith. I miss the card system, they tried to do too much to the game when it was already a success. Orb dunk was great, the cards were clear and didnt take hours of studying and playing to be able to understand what they did and how to use them. The characters were more versitile, if i wanted to build gideon tanky.. i could.. and i would still be viable to the team... its just sad that epic couldnt just leave a good thing alone. I feel, unfortunately, they will end up killing BR as well. By adding too much content as far as weapons and health supplies.. i feel like they wont know when to stop there either. I have so much respect for the development team, i do not however have respect for the people calling shots to add way to much to the game just to milk money out if their loyal playerbase. I will predict epic games will also kill BR sooner rather than later.
One thing I really dislike that Epic did was make the announcement and immediately cut services in Paragon. FPS was stupid slow and the social server was sporadic at best. It really soured my final experience with them.
I remember in 2016 my friends that played early open beta Paragon would talk about it everyday, stay up all night when updates came out, (it irritated the whole group). I had enough and wanted to know what was so good about it, so I went over to one of my Friends house and played a match. I fell in love I never had played a game like that this before it was fun and just bought entertainment and whole new experience. I saved a up enough of my money to buy a PS4 and the first I did was download paragon and play with my mates, I remember getting my first loot crate and getting undertow Gideon and having my friends fucking lose it and one of them being extra salty cause he spent 30 dollars getting the skin. Now as time went on we played and loved Paragon, some of my friends didn’t like monolith but they grew to like it. We’d stay up all weekend playing, we’d annoy our parents and suffer being tired af school the next day (worth lol). I remember I wasn’t the best and I wanted to get better, I found your channel and you Ace helped me become better, you made show up my friends, with decks and showed me that if you do this and have that game sense it leads to victory’s. You made my Paragon a better experience. Now come to the new card system and about 3-4 of my friends stop playing, they hated the change, we all did. I tried to get used to it but it wasn’t the same, having 3-4 friends and 20 PSN friends stop playing wasn’t fun, so I quit playing it. But I couldn’t delete it had a special place in my heart and even I though I haven’t played in a good few months it has a special place in my heart. Thank you Ace for making this game great, I wish you all the best in future content and will continue to watch
Did fortnite kill paragon? The answer- No, epic did. They changed too much, rarely released a decent patch that actually fixed more than it broke, and they never would stay with one game layout. Too many restarts, and not enough foward progression.
I agree with your comments RGSACE, I think they shot themselves in the foot with a lot of the decisions they made. It's a cop out to just blame Fort-nite and try kid ourselves that the game was good or going in a definite direction. Keep up with your Chanel ACE, you'll always be the 5 time champ to us. Now if you can talk to Epic about getting me a Paragon Hoodie... that'd be great (I tweeted them but got nothing... xD)
Match times of an hour+ were exhilarating because it meant your builds were on point and you had to outskill and outplay you opponents. V27 was phenomenal I played Bruiser Grux and dominated as him. Monolith was too damage focused and it got better towards V42 until V42. As once again, carries carried but were squishy, Tanks were tanky but dealt low damage (except Sevarog who was late game focused.) Supports helped make the deciding plays. It got good again then died... again. :( I hope they revive it in the future with better planning, a clear vision and taking community input from high mmr players as the grounds to balance it upon.
My biggest problem was when they released Monolith, they never let it have a chance. They instantly went to work on a new card system, and we ended up getting half assed balance patches for about a year. Then just when Paragon hit its height around PEX, Epic introduced the new card system, and effectively killed any and all momentum they just built up. Old players quit playing, new players didnt care, and numbers got so low that they pulled the plug.
I only started playing just after monolith was released and since then i thought it was pretty clear where the game was going. Especially once the updates/hero releases became less frequent i kinda guessed they would probaly be shutting it down relatively soon.
Maybe... Maybe not Yet we can’t know for sure, BR is a worldwide success and making way more money than paragon is making for Epic, but yet Epic ruined this game in their own hands, replacing the map that everyone loved, replacing the card system when no one asked for it and poor hero balance, it’s the fault if Epic, one way or another.
RGSACE i have been in the game since legacy and im sad to see something i believed in so badly and saw so much potential go down the drain... still remember my kalaria video i sent of a Quadra kill and stealing orb prime.... good times and good luck bud you are one of my favorite youtubers
Paragon is an amazing game, the ideas behind the characters and just how much potential it has really gets me sad that they are closing it down. I really hope they have a last minute mind change and give Paragon another opportunity, if not now, hopefully in the future I hope to see Paragon. Thank you Epic for such an amazing game and I hope nothing but the best for Paragons future 😭🙏🏽
i think i've written it already. you're part of my daily routine. i get to work, turn on laptop and go on utube, looking for your new video. when i'm done, i hit twitch. i'll be honest, not a fan of the pirate game. i learned so much about Paragon: placement, farming. and for that i thank you. long live the champ
O agree like I said. Epic killed it themselves not fortnite. Some of the changes weren't needed. I don't remember even asking for monolith. It seemed like most of the issues came after monolith. I remember travel mode being an issue but there were so many fixes. You could of just only allowed it from the base and boom. Fixed even hots has a travel mode like system. Sigh I miss prime dunks.
U heard abou Paramount(Paragon2.0).They developers of this game said that they work on this game for 4 months and it might apear on close beta in mid-late 2018
Great Breakdown! im with here, they failed creating a solid base to build on so they couldn´t get the MOBA essential feat done in time. Like Ranked mode, pushing the competitive Scene in general. Too often changes almost from the ground up, confusing and alienating new players several times. It´s easy to say afterwards - X way would have been better and decision Y was wrong. But, I think they should have to go with the flow, the way players start playing the game themselves/using the tools epic gave them. Like building on the "Deathball" back in Legacy vanilla. They tried to be a classic MOBA more and more but they brought som many non-classic MOBA players to the game. It was fresh, some new approach to an older getting genre. It felt like the perfect mix of MOBA and Team Deathmatch, the fact that you actually have to deliver the Orp Prime into enemy territory to actually activate it propper. Paragon hat many great ideas, I think the fear of going to much away from classic MOBA was part of the reason they lost ppl more and more. Sure the old card system was too confusing with upgrades and to many pre-game decisions to make. But well all that analysing doesn´t help... Fortnite is not the reason, hell no - Epic want and need/want more than one Game being Successful. and no one wanted this game to succeed more than the dedicated Epic Team. However, I hope they use those greatly designed heroes for something else one day, like a Fighting game :D I will miss my boy steel^^ Thx for all you Paragon Content RGSACE! I wish you all the best for any future Projects and Content, you´re here to stay ;) - keep your head up!! regards Knastcore
Awesome video Ace. I think you nailed it on identifying the issues that brought this game down. Was a death by a thousand cuts and it's sad to see a game with so much potential, made by a group of developers with a history of so many amazing games with so much talent let go of it. I just hope that Epic takes the valuable lessons they learned from this game, wipe the slate clean and give us a bigger and better MOBA in a few years. RIP Paragon. You will be missed!
Games TGS dude the game is dead. They've ruined in game economy and started refunding everything. There's no way to undo that anymore. The game has dug it's grave now we just have to wait for the ceremony.
I agree with you completely. I think if fortnite didn't blow up what you said about the game lasting another year before they shut it down would've been exactly what would happen. I like both paragon and fortnite, and to think fortnite is the reason paragon is closing is foolish. It just sped up what was already going to happen. Love your stuff ace, always enjoy your commentary!
If they really loved paragon then why not listen to the community like they are doing with fort nite that just shows that they thought that they knew best even when they were lost on how to move forward. Also the new card system is terrible compare to the old one adc were no longer adc supports did crazy amount of damage everybody could be a tank. I could go on and on but the black hokage says it best go watch his video on the subject.
This is so sad considering i gave my life into this game and have over 100days play time + im in south africa and played on 200+ ping if thats not dedication.... and i havent played in 6months... rg ma boii find something else to play i will support. Big up u helped alot i watched all your vids... they shouldve never changed the map just my 2c
I disagree. Fortnite killed Paragon for sure. It was said in an article a few weeks ago that half of Epic's Paragon team left to work on Fortnite. Money talks man... they obviously went where the money is and left a dead game behind to die. Another instance is Star Wars Battlefront 2. Because of the lootcrate backlash, sales were hurt and EA didn't get the money they thought they would get with the game Dice created. Updates didn't come in very fast at all and many people left the game because it seemed like Dice or EA didn't care about the game anymore. Balancing needed to be done fast because a few heroes just rofl stomps the competition and to this day those particular Heroes are not nerfed. I left the game because of this and they quit supporting their game they created because the plan they had with lootcrates failed completely. If games die and no money is coming in.. then companies give up man. They move on working towards other games to try to create something that will get more sales than the last dead game they created. Sad but true man... Epic took to long to release the game to everyone and couldn't make up their minds on maps or balancing. Oh well. Was a good run at least.
Any one else wish we could just have the old legacy. Back with a good card system and skillful decks that were different and characters had different feelings because of affinity locks and wards were huge key parts of the game
The ending of this video sums up all those that are staying strong but really are hurting deeply inside. By the way it’s not just a game. You said it your self it’s truly a life changing game a unique game one of its kind.
Came for paragon,stayed for RGSACE
archie gregan you ain't wrong man!
archie gregan true
Ikr
found this petition to keep paragon going, even if its just to show how much we love the game I hope some of you will support it
www.change.org/p/epic-games-...share_petition
If you leave...
*YOU AIN'T NOTHIN!*
Watching this video made me miss legacy soooooo much.
0.27 RIP
bradly Smith same
Ace, thank you for being an idol for me these past two years. Your immaculate presentation and execution was something I always strived to emulated. You were an inspiration I used for my ongoing involvement in the community. I always looked forward to watching your daily videos, and for that, thank you.
What kills me the most and brings me to tears is that we won’t have this remarkable platform of a game to bring us and the rest of the community together. Absolutely rips my heart apart.
Thank you Ace. Truly. ❤️
Thank you Sylphin! I feel the exact same way. I hope you find success in whatever you choose to do next, I'll definitely be watching!
A thanks to all you paragon youtubers. Loved the vids
Ace and Sylphin, my favorite Paragon content creators. I’m enthusiastically awaiting the next game or thing you guys sink your teeth in and will continue following you guys. Thanks for all the Paragon wisdom and entertainment the both of you have published for me and the rest of the community. ♡
It would be better if Epic Games sold Paragon instead of throwing him to the trash
“ at the end of the day it’s only a video game, people have it much worse” Nothing but respect for that Sace
We know it's just a game, but what will you feel if you are a football player and you have a strong injury that makes you not play your favorite game again? It's hard :(
Brian Puente i dont really agree with that because games these days are more than just games games today can create careers for its fans if they have the skill and personality so its more than just a game tbh if league of legends died tomorrow morning alot of people would end up having to look for jobs the same morning
watching legacy gameplay makes me so sad that im never gonna play this game again....oh and Ace i think you should make a video with some other paragon players( hollow, nibori etc) having a big discussion about paragon , we would all love that
Your Mom indeed
I still can’t believe Epic Games killed Paragon. They told us Paragon was fine, it wouldn’t shut down. And then it shut down.
It reopened as predecessor now if you didn't know
Paragon died because Epic Games moved all their employees to develop Fortnite instead of Paragon... Now that I think of it, Paragon never actually released, it’s still in Beta. RIP Paragon
Paragon lost its tier 1 tower with the release of Monolith - ridiculous attack speeds and a higher movement speed on a smaller map created instant issues. The fans loved legacy and instantly missed it.
They lost their tier two tower with the new card system - 3-card builds banished originality - these huge changes made existing players leave, and the new players had no true tutorials or training modes to familiarise themselves with the game.
Their inhibitors went down with broken patches that broke the game - characters desperately needing a nerf or buff and it taking months to solve. Lack of ranked and poor matchmaking
algorithms created a disparity in skill and experience levels, leading to frustrating and toxic match ups.
In my opinion, they never lost their core, but they voted to surrender. They didn’t play as a team. They never reached their ‘Prime’. And as a result, they won’t proceed to their reward.
Return to the void. 😔
Beautiful
Daniel Danby well said. Gg
Hi, I was reading through the comments and someone suggested that you should try the souls games or the last of us and I just wanted to tell you why I watched your videos. It was because of those "THEY AIN'T NOTHING!!!" moments. When you would outplay them and then scream something funny like that. I liked those moments a lot, and every video had at least one of them. I'm not sure if you can have moments like that in single player games.
True story: Was playing Paragon in solo q and we were losing. One team member, after dying, said "Feels bad man" and I said "RGSACE: Feels bad man..." and another team member said "THEY AIN'T NOTHING!!". We bonded over this catchphrase of yours and we won that game.
This is not to say you shouldn't try single player games on your channel. I was just saying why I liked your Paragon videos.
Originally Ace was my favorite Paragon youtuber now he's one of my favorite in general. I'll be supporting ya all the way Champ
well said, rip paragon you will be deeply missed and who knows.... as Epics vision might get clearer in the future, maybe a Paragon 2 will arrive :) but I wonder why they are shutting it down, people are still playing the game? Why not just leave it as an "un-updated" game and keep it rolling for people that are enjoying the game, why a complete shut down? Thats what I wanna know... if anyone have any ideas on why that is not possible lemme know. Does the servers cost too much to keep online? Is it impossible to make a "offline" game version? Enlighten me please :) thanks
Rob Lundgren Live Vocals yeah at least offline cause many of us just play with bots and not real players anyways
All these team fights ... ones that don't end in the blink of an eye is what kept me in this game. The graphics, the characters and the map drew me in ... but this gameplay (Legacy) is what sealed the deal.
I never liked Monolith, but I never quit hoping to see a version of the game that would match or surpass Legacy Paragon. What do I have to show for it? A year of waiting for something that was never going to happen, a broken heart seeing this thing I loved die and crushing disappointment because I will never experience this again. At least I found you Ace :)
Ps: That Grux blink-intercepting Murdock at 9:35 was SICK!
That OG Legacy content puts a tear to my eye.
same... same
They killed their own game Legacy was Great and all they needed to balance was travel mode but instead created Monolith which resulted in them losing a lot of OG players
You could actually feel the hurt in his voice by the end of this video, I'm gonna miss your paragon videos Bro. Stay safe.
The fact that the community was begging for Legacy should have ment something to Epic. I never played a MOBA before in my life. The bigger stage allowed me to figure it out. It was a slower paced game, which gave you time to figure it out. Seeing how it was a MOBA on ps4, a lot of players needed that time. Of I hadn't gotten some of the basics down while playing Legacy, Monolith would has driven me away (It did for a lil bit). They should have had two stages. The bigger stage with longer game times, then the smaller stage, faster and condensed. The fact they were so stubborn to not listen to half of the player base, is the reason they lost half of the play base that never came back. I came for Paragon but I'm staying because of you.
"And my first thought was fuck my RUclips career is over." Solid 10/10 on the enjoyment level for me.
Fortnite was the final nail in the coffin
Honest question, why can’t epic sell the rights to someone else also I don’t want it to seem that I boycott fortnite or even blame it, I just have never liked it
I'm not boycotting Fortnite.. I just want a decent 1st person MOBA.. OH WAIT Paragon is the ONLY one.
(mate...3rd person)
Was*
You mean 3rd person. And there is also a great game called smite but paragon forever in my heart.
TheCrazedOne smite is shite compared to paragon. Nothing will ever replace it.
MikeyTeaSpoon smite was shit compared to old legacy paragon, its amazing compared to todays paragon
Before paragon closes can every youtuber make a farewell video with just a whole bunch of legacy plays and some sad music
Shain Vanatka where are you from? 😁
DesScorpio Canada m8
all solid arguments that i agree with. They lost a lot of their loyal fans "founders" when they switched to monolith since it was a completely different game. To make it even worse, the new players that were to play this game quickly left after a few matches. with the terrible matchmaking and imbalanced game play, etc. Epic were essentially ruining their game but their "data" indicated otherwise.
i think i can speak for all of the community here in that we feel betrayed.
also shout out to the art team! god damn, they are the "real" heroes!
Andy they can give our money back but they will never give our time back.
I’ll miss this game. all they had to do was make the base Movement speed A little slower then travel mode then take travel mod out. Then leave Legacy as the main map.
Now your profile pic would be a sigil of the good old days, a reminder of a starting journey.
Nice vid :)
God, this makes me hurt. I started playing paragon 3 weeks before they released monolith. I loved those 3 weeks more than the year I played monolith. Legacy just had a special feel to it, and it was the first time I had played a MOBA, so it had an even more special place in my heart. Sad to think what could (and should) have been, but no one is gonna stop the CHAMP. Not now, not ever!
We just feel betrayed, we loved something so much and they took it from us
Bruh Paragon was the only Game i was playing and Ive played many Games in my Life but Paragon was my favorite Multiplayer. I bought a Bluetooth Keyboard Just to be able to Chat ingame on ps4 :( this would be my Game for the Rest of my gaming years .Rip Paragon now i have to sell my ps4 because all other Multiplayers are shiet and fortnite isnt fun playing 24/7
It is really sad. I wish I had a chance to play Legacy map, but more importantly, I truly believe if they TRULY wanted Paragon to succeed they would've listened to the suggestions of you and Sylphin and Lordy. Honestly, they just threw in the towel because they felt it wasn't worth working on or putting the work into, and that is bad since US the community was willing to do what it takes to make it succeed. Really heartbroken to hear you not say the end of the video just now smoothly, really it does. Keep it up though Champ, I'm sure the path you choose next, will be an amazing one, and we WILL follow you
I don’t know what epic was thinking when they released V42, they lost players when they removed Legacy, and then they cahnge, not only the map but the card system as well, no existing paragon player wanted that but they did it anyway. I hope epic can learn from this mistake and actually listen to their fans in the future
SpetZemas too be honest, coming from being a dota and league player paragons card system wasn't for me. I liked the new version. Not too say I didn't get the old one, but it was so static, the new card system was fun, fresh and unique even if they did take card ideas from dota or league.
Vibe Raider oh ok, my bad that was kind of a general statement saying that no one wanted the new card system, I’ll just go ahead and say that a lot of players left because of it
Epic just didn't know what they were doing with Paragon, they changed the game drastically 3 or 4 times so it was clear they were lost, really they should have just copied SMITE and added their own twist on it with the card system just like they copied PUBG with Battle Royale and added the building mechanic. I feel like they wanted to be a MOBA at first and later wanted be more like Overwatch because of how popular Overwatch was.
"...for people who see the light, even at the darkest days!"
I knew I'm at the right place here!
Thank you Ace
It’s all good, I’m here for your content man. Paragon brought me some great times and laughs. It does suck that the game is going away. I’ve played over 700 games and over 500 just this season. I do think they should sell the game to a company that will put everything they have into it. There’s no reason this game can’t be like it use to be. Bring back legacy, drop a hero every couple months and let it rip
Nailed it ace
Thanks for finally bringing up the back story! Steve Superville being replaced by Cam Winston was the DEATH of this game, to the month he took over.
thank you for saying it ace, I am tired of seeing all the fortnite hate comments from ex paragon players.
Half of Epics team left a few weeks ago to help Fortnite build their game man. Fortnight killed paragon because it's where the money was...
this gameplay on legacy makes me sad, I feel your pain bro, you put a lot of effort into paragon and Epic Games. Feels a shame to see this die. Best of luck Ace, we'll follow you wherever you go. Keep up what your doing, you wont let us down.
I'm done with epic, Invested a lot of time with paragon, listened to false statements by epic that they will press on. I had 14 master's, practiced and played competitively, and will no longer invest anymore of my time to epic games. My first game away, is sea of thieves. GLHF, and Gg o7
Do you think that Epic should sell paragon to another developer? I think that all the building blocks are set and someone who has a clear vision for the game could see it through. I mean I can’t really see any negatives to epic selling or passing paragon on.
All you need to do is say "tactical" and "THEY AIN'T NOTHING" and I'll be here till the end
Rgs, you are spot on. My group of paragon friends also agree. I knew that moving away from the Legacy map was the downfall of the game. I almost quit playing as soon as they did that. I carried on only because my friends played Paragon and I hoped that one day I could swallow or stomach the new map but I never did, not like Legacy. I always missed Legacy and not because I was stubborn and not because I wasn't willing to change but because I loved the map, everything about it. I said to everybody recently that epic ought to release a open server version of legacy just like Counter-Strike or other games like that and let people make their own forum rules Etc. and game rules, and ultimately save the game. And I maintain that view and will always maintain that view. I was emotionally and deeply invested in to Paragon, it was the worst gaming experience I ever had that they shut it down but mainly that they moved from it from Legacy. That hurt the most. Then the card changes sealed it's fate. They had a perfect game going with Legacy, a completely unique and different gaming experience that I fell in love with and would still play today. I say bring back Legacy, bring back paragon.
Short answer, yes. Long Answer, this video.
I only stayed for you and paragon, and now even tho Paragon will shutdown, I will journey along with you till the end
your fortnite video comment stood out for me...i don't know if people are boycotting your Fortnite videos because of Epic, its just this game isn't as interesting. Its running around and shooting at people; no real strategy there so nothing exciting about that (at least for me)... much respect and love and thanks for all the paragon content over the years
Very well articulated, definitely look forward to sticking with this community you've cultivated.
They said that THEY could not see a clear path for paragon maybe if Epic hand it to a different company?
We'll never forget Paragon and we'll never forget you, RGSACE! Even though I have only a measly 112 RUclips subscribers I too built my youtube channel on Paragon and now I too feel lost. I think I'll likely get back to playing a lot of Gigantic, Monster Hunter, and For Honor, but it'll never be the same. I never played another MOBA before Paragon and I don't think I'll ever play another after it unless another dev, inspired by all that Paragon did for the MOBA genre, takes the concept and runs with it.
RIP Paragon, my favorite game of all time that never saw the light of day :(
Scrapping Paragon entirely was just shocking. No resources to put in it at all? Following the 2018 roadmap was probably all they needed to fix many issues.
I refuse to believe that these ideas are completely gone. Perhaps kept in a box to be revived in the future.
Personally I don't blame Fortnite for the ending Paragon but I do feel that Fortnite's success did allow them to give up on the game sooner. If they were entirely invested I think they would've asked us sooner on what to do. But I more so blame the arrogance of Epic. I felt like they were too sure of themselves with every update instead of asking and polling what their players wanted, it's Epic's game but in the end we decide if the game is worth are time or not. Either way I still love your channel and I was actually in the middle of your Fortnite video before I saw this. (I'm just not really a br fan. ) Either way I don't think Epic will be getting anymore of my money till I see a game I can support also where I find their vision is completely cemented.
Ace I have to disagree. Fortnite killed Paragon. Without Fortnite Epic would try to save their own game. They asked the community and the community answered like Sylphin with his tutorials. But Fortnite showed them how to make easy money. And because this they disrespect their own community. Its a shame. And for me they are dead.
As a developer u can't give up ur own game. And also not if ur community will help u. Epic has no respect. If they have respect they would sell Paragon or try to listen unstead shutting down. And if I could I would buy Paragon with my time of my life #justmoneyrulez #nevereverepic
Well said Ace, Ive been here since 5k subs .AND IM HERE TO STAY not because of paragon but because i respect your opinions and vids mate!
Watching the gameplay of this video sent me back. All the names in the kill feed and the sheer fun those matches were!
Solid video with honest, reasonable insight. I have my own opinions of course, but at the end of the day, I'm glad we had a game like this to make the videos, to stream, to compete, to make a new community and make all the friends we did.
Good luck in what's next, you know I'm a message away
They should have fired Cam instead of Steve.
IKKIsama yessssssss
YOOO bro you are entertaining that's why i come to this channel so play whatever you want bro .suggestion monster Hunter world
play monster hunter and dark souls. Monster Hunter launches soon, on February I think and Dark Souls 1 is getting a remaster. I'd love to see you playing this games!
it will be nice to see paragon gameplays till the end....
I knew that Paragon died the day they introduced monolith.
Yeah i ve also stopped playing a couple months ago ,monolith just felt like shit tbh. Pick or lose heros, jungle felt like it had hardly any impact at all and the card system changing over time to be what it is now, i dont know what most of you think but with every patch i felt like this game was a sinking ship and epic games tried to lure us and keep us playing with free rewards(skins,banners etc). I think they just should have kept legacy as a playable mode in the game
The last bit of this video's outro depressed me more than all the Paragon tributes I've watched, you can just feel something, (numbness? sadness?) something real
I came for Ace and the song playing at the end.
I totally agree. Epic made the choice to spend its resources elsewhere and that sucks. Still look forward to whatever videos you do next Ace!
That old card system looks so tasty 😩 and legacy of course. I'd take monolith with the old card system just before v.42 and go from there
I'm glad I'm not the only one who thought Epic were the ones that killed Paragon and not Fortnite. They had no reason to make the new map in order to fix travel mode when in the end they just changed the map and the move speed and the card system so that you have an equally unbalanced game. This game was so full of potential and so special to me and I'm really sorry to see it go but hey there's always a chance for the future of paragon right?
I was searching a good MOBA game then I discovered your channel, I did then play paragon, not because it looked great, but because you were soo sympathic when you played that game. I'am still ashamed to know that there wont be paragon anymore, but it's ok because you are still here
If they released paragon as the old legacy version i would go back and play every single day, as i have in the past before monolith. I miss the card system, they tried to do too much to the game when it was already a success. Orb dunk was great, the cards were clear and didnt take hours of studying and playing to be able to understand what they did and how to use them. The characters were more versitile, if i wanted to build gideon tanky.. i could.. and i would still be viable to the team... its just sad that epic couldnt just leave a good thing alone. I feel, unfortunately, they will end up killing BR as well. By adding too much content as far as weapons and health supplies.. i feel like they wont know when to stop there either. I have so much respect for the development team, i do not however have respect for the people calling shots to add way to much to the game just to milk money out if their loyal playerbase. I will predict epic games will also kill BR sooner rather than later.
One thing I really dislike that Epic did was make the announcement and immediately cut services in Paragon. FPS was stupid slow and the social server was sporadic at best. It really soured my final experience with them.
I remember in 2016 my friends that played early open beta Paragon would talk about it everyday, stay up all night when updates came out, (it irritated the whole group). I had enough and wanted to know what was so good about it, so I went over to one of my Friends house and played a match. I fell in love I never had played a game like that this before it was fun and just bought entertainment and whole new experience.
I saved a up enough of my money to buy a PS4 and the first I did was download paragon and play with my mates, I remember getting my first loot crate and getting undertow Gideon and having my friends fucking lose it and one of them being extra salty cause he spent 30 dollars getting the skin.
Now as time went on we played and loved Paragon, some of my friends didn’t like monolith but they grew to like it.
We’d stay up all weekend playing, we’d annoy our parents and suffer being tired af school the next day (worth lol). I remember I wasn’t the best and I wanted to get better, I found your channel and you Ace helped me become better, you made show up my friends, with decks and showed me that if you do this and have that game sense it leads to victory’s. You made my Paragon a better experience.
Now come to the new card system and about 3-4 of my friends stop playing, they hated the change, we all did. I tried to get used to it but it wasn’t the same, having 3-4 friends and 20 PSN friends stop playing wasn’t fun, so I quit playing it. But I couldn’t delete it had a special place in my heart and even I though I haven’t played in a good few months it has a special place in my heart.
Thank you Ace for making this game great, I wish you all the best in future content and will continue to watch
R.I.P Legacy, you’ll forever be the best game I’ve ever played Paragon, it’s been a long run, it was nice playing with you all. Epic “ain’t nothin”.
Good analysis Ace, well said. That Legacy footage though... so beautiful, so much fun, so many good memories on that map... RIP Paragon, good luck Ace
I personally think the guy who ruined paragon was the guy that replaced Mooney on the weekly update
Did fortnite kill paragon?
The answer- No, epic did. They changed too much, rarely released a decent patch that actually fixed more than it broke, and they never would stay with one game layout. Too many restarts, and not enough foward progression.
I agree with your comments RGSACE, I think they shot themselves in the foot with a lot of the decisions they made. It's a cop out to just blame Fort-nite and try kid ourselves that the game was good or going in a definite direction. Keep up with your Chanel ACE, you'll always be the 5 time champ to us. Now if you can talk to Epic about getting me a Paragon Hoodie... that'd be great (I tweeted them but got nothing... xD)
Match times of an hour+ were exhilarating because it meant your builds were on point and you had to outskill and outplay you opponents.
V27 was phenomenal I played Bruiser Grux and dominated as him.
Monolith was too damage focused and it got better towards V42 until V42.
As once again, carries carried but were squishy, Tanks were tanky but dealt low damage (except Sevarog who was late game focused.)
Supports helped make the deciding plays.
It got good again then died... again. :(
I hope they revive it in the future with better planning, a clear vision and taking community input from high mmr players as the grounds to balance it upon.
My biggest problem was when they released Monolith, they never let it have a chance. They instantly went to work on a new card system, and we ended up getting half assed balance patches for about a year. Then just when Paragon hit its height around PEX, Epic introduced the new card system, and effectively killed any and all momentum they just built up. Old players quit playing, new players didnt care, and numbers got so low that they pulled the plug.
Epic needs to sell the rights to another company!!!!! This game was too good dont let it dieeeeeee😣😣😭😭😭
I only started playing just after monolith was released and since then i thought it was pretty clear where the game was going. Especially once the updates/hero releases became less frequent i kinda guessed they would probaly be shutting it down relatively soon.
Maybe... Maybe not
Yet we can’t know for sure, BR is a worldwide success and making way more money than paragon is making for Epic, but yet Epic ruined this game in their own hands, replacing the map that everyone loved, replacing the card system when no one asked for it and poor hero balance, it’s the fault if Epic, one way or another.
RGSACE i have been in the game since legacy and im sad to see something i believed in so badly and saw so much potential go down the drain... still remember my kalaria video i sent of a Quadra kill and stealing orb prime.... good times and good luck bud you are one of my favorite youtubers
no what killed paragon was CEOs who fired the FATHER OF PARAGON and we all know who he is, and yes Travel mode was beast
Paragon was my first moba that I played and actually liked but yeah thats that
Those last words man 😢
Paragon is an amazing game, the ideas behind the characters and just how much potential it has really gets me sad that they are closing it down. I really hope they have a last minute mind change and give Paragon another opportunity, if not now, hopefully in the future I hope to see Paragon. Thank you Epic for such an amazing game and I hope nothing but the best for Paragons future 😭🙏🏽
i think i've written it already. you're part of my daily routine. i get to work, turn on laptop and go on utube, looking for your new video. when i'm done, i hit twitch. i'll be honest, not a fan of the pirate game.
i learned so much about Paragon: placement, farming. and for that i thank you.
long live the champ
O agree like I said. Epic killed it themselves not fortnite. Some of the changes weren't needed. I don't remember even asking for monolith. It seemed like most of the issues came after monolith. I remember travel mode being an issue but there were so many fixes. You could of just only allowed it from the base and boom. Fixed even hots has a travel mode like system. Sigh I miss prime dunks.
U heard abou Paramount(Paragon2.0).They developers of this game said that they work on this game for 4 months and it might apear on close beta in mid-late 2018
Danyx_ Ts that sounds really sketchy. I would wait for proof of content before any hope arises.
Great Breakdown!
im with here, they failed creating a solid base to build on so they couldn´t get the MOBA essential feat done in time.
Like Ranked mode, pushing the competitive Scene in general.
Too often changes almost from the ground up, confusing and alienating new players several times.
It´s easy to say afterwards - X way would have been better and decision Y was wrong. But,
I think they should have to go with the flow, the way players start playing the game themselves/using the tools epic gave them. Like building on the "Deathball" back in Legacy vanilla. They tried to be a classic MOBA more and more but they brought som many non-classic MOBA players to the game. It was fresh, some new approach to an older getting genre. It felt like the perfect mix of MOBA and Team Deathmatch, the fact that you actually have to deliver the Orp Prime into enemy territory to actually activate it propper.
Paragon hat many great ideas, I think the fear of going to much away from classic MOBA was part of the reason they lost ppl more and more. Sure the old card system was too confusing with upgrades and to many pre-game decisions to make. But well all that analysing doesn´t help...
Fortnite is not the reason, hell no - Epic want and need/want more than one Game being Successful. and no one wanted this game to succeed more than the dedicated Epic Team.
However, I hope they use those greatly designed heroes for something else one day, like a Fighting game :D I will miss my boy steel^^
Thx for all you Paragon Content RGSACE! I wish you all the best for any future Projects and Content, you´re here to stay ;) - keep your head up!!
regards Knastcore
Didn't kill paragon but put a final nail in the coffin.
Awesome video Ace. I think you nailed it on identifying the issues that brought this game down. Was a death by a thousand cuts and it's sad to see a game with so much potential, made by a group of developers with a history of so many amazing games with so much talent let go of it. I just hope that Epic takes the valuable lessons they learned from this game, wipe the slate clean and give us a bigger and better MOBA in a few years. RIP Paragon. You will be missed!
Instead of debating if Fortnite killed Paragon try to keep it alive instead.
Games TGS dude the game is dead. They've ruined in game economy and started refunding everything. There's no way to undo that anymore. The game has dug it's grave now we just have to wait for the ceremony.
There is always a fighting chance for anything. It's all about trying your hardest. If you can't keep trying then you truly gave up.
And paragon along with you @Rgsace got me into streaming in videos but after monolith launched i found myself caring less and less.
Enlightening vid Ace, sad to see my go-to game for the past two years fade away, but thankful for the memories it gave me.
I agree with you completely. I think if fortnite didn't blow up what you said about the game lasting another year before they shut it down would've been exactly what would happen. I like both paragon and fortnite, and to think fortnite is the reason paragon is closing is foolish. It just sped up what was already going to happen. Love your stuff ace, always enjoy your commentary!
Robert Vandivier #speakstruth
If they really loved paragon then why not listen to the community like they are doing with fort nite that just shows that they thought that they knew best even when they were lost on how to move forward. Also the new card system is terrible compare to the old one adc were no longer adc supports did crazy amount of damage everybody could be a tank. I could go on and on but the black hokage says it best go watch his video on the subject.
omg im soooo pissed man. They completely disrespected the original director so badly. XD If i was him I'd sue the shit out of their ignorant asses
This is so sad considering i gave my life into this game and have over 100days play time + im in south africa and played on 200+ ping if thats not dedication.... and i havent played in 6months... rg ma boii find something else to play i will support. Big up u helped alot i watched all your vids... they shouldve never changed the map just my 2c
Guess what, they never said they were never going to make another moba
I had as much fun playing paragon as i had watch you playing it. Thank you ace and keep up the good work...
I disagree. Fortnite killed Paragon for sure. It was said in an article a few weeks ago that half of Epic's Paragon team left to work on Fortnite. Money talks man... they obviously went where the money is and left a dead game behind to die. Another instance is Star Wars Battlefront 2. Because of the lootcrate backlash, sales were hurt and EA didn't get the money they thought they would get with the game Dice created. Updates didn't come in very fast at all and many people left the game because it seemed like Dice or EA didn't care about the game anymore. Balancing needed to be done fast because a few heroes just rofl stomps the competition and to this day those particular Heroes are not nerfed. I left the game because of this and they quit supporting their game they created because the plan they had with lootcrates failed completely.
If games die and no money is coming in.. then companies give up man. They move on working towards other games to try to create something that will get more sales than the last dead game they created.
Sad but true man... Epic took to long to release the game to everyone and couldn't make up their minds on maps or balancing.
Oh well. Was a good run at least.
Any one else wish we could just have the old legacy. Back with a good card system and skillful decks that were different and characters had different feelings because of affinity locks and wards were huge key parts of the game
Man that Paragon Legacy footage looks dope. Miss it and will miss the game.
The ending of this video sums up all those that are staying strong but really are hurting deeply inside. By the way it’s not just a game. You said it your self it’s truly a life changing game a unique game one of its kind.