Nice tutorial, Zeke! I think you may wanna add for novice players to practice on the rock with the wrist so the feeling won't be so awkward and that the shot is actually 2 motions in either direction but looks like one motion in real time.
A front pin shot done with the wrist is called the snake shot or rollover. You use the wrist for speed and ability to go to either side. You can do a standard front pin shot with an open hand grip (also called the Euro pin) but it's a lot more difficult to do on the Tornado table.
With the euro/front pin you hold the handle with an open hand (palm) grip. While the snake shot is done using the wrist on the handle. Also the snake shot spins around a full rotation to hit the ball, while in the front pin the man pinning the ball comes behind the ball before impact (does not rotate around).
Zeke has gotta be a cyborg with foosball software programmed into him. That sorta dexterity is hard to comprehend. I think you need to get a high speed camera so pleebs like me can see it better.
A table like mine is pretty expensive but definitely great quality. If you plan to just play at home and are not interested in local tournaments, then you could look for a used Tornado table (possibly a Storm or Cyclone II) on craigslist. You should not pay more than $300 for one depending on condition. The Fireball home model is also a great table. The Tornado tables have been around the longest and have lots of replacement parts widely available so that makes it nice.
The weight of the rods can make a difference. Some people shoot this shot on a bonzini table which has telescopic rods, but I dont think it has the same flexibility as on a tornado table. The ball can affect the effectiveness of this shot as well.
Hitting a deadman snake shot is hard to do. The rule is, if the hole that's open is the deadman hole, then you are shooting at the wrong hole. I would suggest that you learn hitting the longs fairly fast and effortlessly. This develops good technique and opens up the inside game. Sometimes you'll need to hit squared longs (not necessarily deadman) and other times you can just spray longs.
@MistaFolgers Its controlled spinning. The rules are you cannot spin more than 360 before hitting the ball, and you cannot spin more 360 after hitting the ball.
That was a Tornado Cyclone II. Costs around $1000 dollars new. The Tornado T-3000 costs around $1600 new. You can always buy a used tornado table for a much cheaper cost.
@speedstakerguy It's a loaded question. If you mean how long does it take to get a Snake shot that is that good, then I would say that it takes a long time (years). You can learn to shoot it in a few months, but it takes time to perfect it. It also takes a lot of experience to learn to shoot it effectively against different defenses.
you are allowed to turn 360 before the ball contakt and after it. The front pin movement doesnt count as contact.. the schoot is really common in europe and the usa and there is no doubt that it is legal ( sory for the bad english . Its not my first language)
For the real foosball rules experts here, I have a question for you. Here is an excerpt from the ITSF rule book: 20.4 It is considered a distraction, after setting up a shot, to remove a hand from the handle and then immediately shoot the ball. The ball may only be shot after both hands (and/or wrist) have been on both handles for one full second. I'm trying to get a better understanding of this rule, specifically what the actual definition of "remove a hand from the handle" is. Say I am setting up a rollover and have the ball in a front pin with the handle in my hand. Scenario 1: I slide my arm downwards on the handle so that my wrist is now on the handle. I never lose physical contact with the handle as my slide downwards is brushing the handle the entire time. Scenario 2: I move the rod over slightly and do a forward flip to repin the ball with my wrist. Again, I never lose physical contact with the handle. Do either of these scenarios count as "remove a hand from the handle"? By the most strict interpretation, it does, because my hand is no longer on the handle, but I'm wondering whether the spirit of the rule intended it to mean "to lose contact with the handle". Basically I'm wondering in either scenario, whether I have to wait one second before making the shot. Thanks!
Neither of your scenarios applies to rule 20.4. That rule is mainly if you move your hand away from the handle to either adjust another rod (in singles), or if you need to wipe some sweat off it. The key thing is you can't move your hand and then come back to the handle and fire off a shot right away because the movement may be distracting to your opponent.
Hi Stu, We can practice on this next we see each other at a local tournament. In general the grip you use should allow you to shoot any option. The pressure point on your wrist should be more towards the side where your thumb is, rather than the center of the wrist. I think i'm going to make a part 2 of this tutorial to address this and other questions I've received. Thanks. -zeke
@MitchKid432 The goal can basicaly fit 5 foosballs in side-by-side. Picture that as 5 hole you can shoot at. 2 and 4 would be the inside holes, 3 being the middle.
@ouchymagoo Maybe not legal by your home rules. However, in professional foosball they are legal. In short, you cannot spin more than 360 before hitting the ball, and 360 after. Google "ITSF rules"
@tylerlime What type of table do you have? Make sure the rods are lubbed up with silicone. The rods need to be able to move freely. But the table and ball will make a difference.
@ubisoft5126 That's the style of this table. It has a flat surface (no ramps). So the extra man are used to get the ball out of the corners. Some tables have ramps so there is no need for the extra man.
Yea, im aware of the difference between those two shots. But normally when i do the snake shot / rollover, i don't use my wrist, simply because it's almost impossible for me to control it propperly, and on most tables i play at, the rods aren't smooth enough for me to have enough power using the wrist only. Instead tho, i use a different grib (don't know whether it has a name or not). but the question was actually why using the wrist instead of any other grib when rolling over?
And to that account, i have no problem having both speed and taking it both sides without using the wrist. So i really wondered, whether it would be worth trying to learn the wrist grip, or just pratice and improve my own "under-grib" style?
@TurboMerlot996 This is how you "square" the shot. So if I'm shooting to the push side, then at the point of impact the rod will be moving back to the pull side, and vice versa. Make sense?
Hi Zeke, I've been practicing snakes for a while and have a question. At 1:36 in this video I see you pin the ball and then roll the bar around and re-pin prior to the shot. I've also seen this technique a lot in tournament footage. Wouldn't it be safer/easier to just leave the ball pinned and move your grip without disturbing the pinned ball? Is there a reason this extra step is necessary?
Hey Zeke man, just wanted to let you know that you're FUCKING AWESOME and Im glad you've uploaded these videos! Im going to try and get some of these moves down but I just wanted to let you know!
I was wondering. Why do you always see players using their wrist when doing the snake? Is it because of some fear of rule violation or just a tool to control it better?
just a suggestion here. doesn't that look like the man spun 360 degrees? no offence to whoever is doin snake but, no matter how u stop it b4 the 360 point, it is gonna go more than 360 due to the force applied to the spin. stopping it right b4 360 degrees is like stopping a F1 car immediately at the finish line at 300++km/h. but all in all zeke, ur videos are definately a keeper. keep it up!
@odie798 Get a tornado. A new one is up to 2k, but people win them at tournaments and sell them, In my town, VVS runs the foosball leagues and regularly sells used table. You can get a decent one for 400 or 500 probably if there's a local foosball following.
Where in the ITSF rules does it say releasing the grips during a shot is illegal? I have some friends who do just that but they claim that since the rod never rotates more than 360 degrees before they grab it, the shot is legal.
Hey like the shot tried it some times but when it comes to shoting with the rigth hand nothing works. Long ago when i was smaler i was as good as with my left hand. But one day i broke my radius and my Ulna close to my wrist since that day I lost all force i could but it a shot and all ball control is gone.Atm im shoting goals with the goaly or with the 5 bars.And if im not playing double i mostly lose. If you can help would be cool cause it hurts losing in the club im going with my friends.
@Dudefish420 I didnt know that rule. I recently started playing pro and yeah they can do a 359 degree turn. I dont like it either because i do this shot at same speed without turning :P
hi mate, i just got a foosball table and there is no control whatsoever, are these rubber balls? MY foosball table came with plastic balls and are damn hard to grip and slide right out of the players feet, i cant even pass the ball without the ball veering offtrack , where can i get the balls u use? i tried ebay but nothing good, same old cheap chinese stuff
hello ive a question: ive a foosball table at home but the problem is that the table was from the time when i was a kid and my parents bought a plastic one, with a shitty wooden ball. i rly like foosball and i would like to start practicing more to be alot better at it. the thing is everytime i practice shots and passes in my table i feel like i do not have the necessary table to evolve, it is hard to shot strongly and the table itself is unstable. do you think i should buy one like yours?
so... you listed the variations of the shot. tutorials mean you tell us how you do the shot (i.e. - tips, tricks, drills). this isnt going to help my snake get any better.
i play at pacific mall and teamplay in markham toronto and mid's and uglys arent alowed either. In my opinion shooting with the middle guys is so stupid. It shows no class and no skill. Id rather pass the ball to the more capable 3 guys and doing a fast 3-2. but thats just my opinion
Nice tutorial, Zeke! I think you may wanna add for novice players to practice on the rock with the wrist so the feeling won't be so awkward and that the shot is actually 2 motions in either direction but looks like one motion in real time.
A front pin shot done with the wrist is called the snake shot or rollover. You use the wrist for speed and ability to go to either side. You can do a standard front pin shot with an open hand grip (also called the Euro pin) but it's a lot more difficult to do on the Tornado table.
My college just got a new foosball table and with these tutorials I hope to improve. Thanks for the video. I will definitely try this.
How good are you now?
thats the exact table we have at our school... highly recommended its a great table
With the euro/front pin you hold the handle with an open hand (palm) grip. While the snake shot is done using the wrist on the handle. Also the snake shot spins around a full rotation to hit the ball, while in the front pin the man pinning the ball comes behind the ball before impact (does not rotate around).
Zeke has gotta be a cyborg with foosball software programmed into him. That sorta dexterity is hard to comprehend. I think you need to get a high speed camera so pleebs like me can see it better.
A table like mine is pretty expensive but definitely great quality. If you plan to just play at home and are not interested in local tournaments, then you could look for a used Tornado table (possibly a Storm or Cyclone II) on craigslist. You should not pay more than $300 for one depending on condition. The Fireball home model is also a great table. The Tornado tables have been around the longest and have lots of replacement parts widely available so that makes it nice.
Yes, it can definitely affect. So you want to develop a stance that feels good and which allows you to shoot all options.
The weight of the rods can make a difference. Some people shoot this shot on a bonzini table which has telescopic rods, but I dont think it has the same flexibility as on a tornado table. The ball can affect the effectiveness of this shot as well.
Hitting a deadman snake shot is hard to do. The rule is, if the hole that's open is the deadman hole, then you are shooting at the wrong hole. I would suggest that you learn hitting the longs fairly fast and effortlessly. This develops good technique and opens up the inside game. Sometimes you'll need to hit squared longs (not necessarily deadman) and other times you can just spray longs.
just bought g2000, gonna practice this. thanks for the tutorial buddy,
@MistaFolgers Its controlled spinning. The rules are you cannot spin more than 360 before hitting the ball, and you cannot spin more 360 after hitting the ball.
That was a Tornado Cyclone II. Costs around $1000 dollars new. The Tornado T-3000 costs around $1600 new. You can always buy a used tornado table for a much cheaper cost.
Great stuff Zeke. Thanks.
Yes they are allowed. You can score a goal from any rod.
@speedstakerguy It's a loaded question. If you mean how long does it take to get a Snake shot that is that good, then I would say that it takes a long time (years). You can learn to shoot it in a few months, but it takes time to perfect it. It also takes a lot of experience to learn to shoot it effectively against different defenses.
you are allowed to turn 360 before the ball contakt and after it. The front pin movement doesnt count as contact..
the schoot is really common in europe and the usa and there is no doubt that it is legal
( sory for the bad english . Its not my first language)
You can perform a perfect snakeshot on any table with any kind of ball. Some tables/balls will just be more difficult to shoot with.
nice video, very well explained...now I go practice
For the real foosball rules experts here, I have a question for you. Here is an excerpt from the ITSF rule book:
20.4 It is considered a distraction, after setting up a shot, to remove a hand from the handle and then immediately shoot the ball. The ball may only be shot after both hands (and/or wrist) have been on both handles for one full second.
I'm trying to get a better understanding of this rule, specifically what the actual definition of "remove a hand from the handle" is. Say I am setting up a rollover and have the ball in a front pin with the handle in my hand.
Scenario 1: I slide my arm downwards on the handle so that my wrist is now on the handle. I never lose physical contact with the handle as my slide downwards is brushing the handle the entire time.
Scenario 2: I move the rod over slightly and do a forward flip to repin the ball with my wrist. Again, I never lose physical contact with the handle.
Do either of these scenarios count as "remove a hand from the handle"? By the most strict interpretation, it does, because my hand is no longer on the handle, but I'm wondering whether the spirit of the rule intended it to mean "to lose contact with the handle".
Basically I'm wondering in either scenario, whether I have to wait one second before making the shot.
Thanks!
Neither of your scenarios applies to rule 20.4. That rule is mainly if you move your hand away from the handle to either adjust another rod (in singles), or if you need to wipe some sweat off it. The key thing is you can't move your hand and then come back to the handle and fire off a shot right away because the movement may be distracting to your opponent.
Find a local bar with a tornado. If its well oiled, odds are either the owner or some of the regulars fooze it up while they booze it up.
Hi Stu,
We can practice on this next we see each other at a local tournament. In general the grip you use should allow you to shoot any option. The pressure point on your wrist should be more towards the side where your thumb is, rather than the center of the wrist. I think i'm going to make a part 2 of this tutorial to address this and other questions I've received.
Thanks.
-zeke
@MitchKid432
The goal can basicaly fit 5 foosballs in side-by-side. Picture that as 5 hole you can shoot at. 2 and 4 would be the inside holes, 3 being the middle.
@Azziboy That was a Cyclone II model of the Tornado table. In more recent videos, I use the Tornado T-3000 (non-coinup).
@ouchymagoo Maybe not legal by your home rules. However, in professional foosball they are legal. In short, you cannot spin more than 360 before hitting the ball, and 360 after. Google "ITSF rules"
Thx this helped I'm still the champion because of the aerial shots but this will come in use and I meant that im the champion at my school
@tylerlime What type of table do you have? Make sure the rods are lubbed up with silicone. The rods need to be able to move freely. But the table and ball will make a difference.
@ubisoft5126 That's the style of this table. It has a flat surface (no ramps). So the extra man are used to get the ball out of the corners. Some tables have ramps so there is no need for the extra man.
Yea, im aware of the difference between those two shots.
But normally when i do the snake shot / rollover, i don't use my wrist, simply because it's almost impossible for me to control it propperly, and on most tables i play at, the rods aren't smooth enough for me to have enough power using the wrist only.
Instead tho, i use a different grib (don't know whether it has a name or not).
but the question was actually why using the wrist instead of any other grib when rolling over?
@killerskillet I would recommend TTR Masterwraps. Or you can buy some tennis wraps.
And to that account, i have no problem having both speed and taking it both sides without using the wrist.
So i really wondered, whether it would be worth trying to learn the wrist grip, or just pratice and improve my own "under-grib" style?
@TurboMerlot996 This is how you "square" the shot. So if I'm shooting to the push side, then at the point of impact the rod will be moving back to the pull side, and vice versa. Make sense?
great tutorial !
@hockeychapals Not sure if you can do it with a cork ball. But you can do it with the Bonzini ITSF official ball.
Good job, Master Zeke!
:)
Kickass background music!
Hi Zeke, I've been practicing snakes for a while and have a question. At 1:36 in this video I see you pin the ball and then roll the bar around and re-pin prior to the shot. I've also seen this technique a lot in tournament footage. Wouldn't it be safer/easier to just leave the ball pinned and move your grip without disturbing the pinned ball? Is there a reason this extra step is necessary?
Hey Zeke man, just wanted to let you know that you're FUCKING AWESOME and Im glad you've uploaded these videos! Im going to try and get some of these moves down but I just wanted to let you know!
Is that a rubber ball? I have a Harvard foosball table and the ball is like a hard plastic ball. Yours looks like it bounces more
yes, you can execute this with a cork ball
I was wondering.
Why do you always see players using their wrist when doing the snake?
Is it because of some fear of rule violation or just a tool to control it better?
How much will a used table cost?
just a suggestion here. doesn't that look like the man spun 360 degrees? no offence to whoever is doin snake but, no matter how u stop it b4 the 360 point, it is gonna go more than 360 due to the force applied to the spin. stopping it right b4 360 degrees is like stopping a F1 car immediately at the finish line at 300++km/h. but all in all zeke, ur videos are definately a keeper. keep it up!
@Dudefish420
Right, 360 before contact, or 360 after contact. this is legal.
What is that mean? Do you perhaps mean backpinning the ball and attempting a snake shot from back pin position?
-zeke
Lets see the Sparky Lyell style. Rollover from a complete stop.
Amazing control :D
What do you think of the Carrom Tables? BURR OAK FOOSBALL TABLE
[750.33] Thats the only my uncle has and we play on it alot.
@odie798
Get a tornado. A new one is up to 2k, but people win them at tournaments and sell them, In my town, VVS runs the foosball leagues and regularly sells used table. You can get a decent one for 400 or 500 probably if there's a local foosball following.
Where in the ITSF rules does it say releasing the grips during a shot is illegal? I have some friends who do just that but they claim that since the rod never rotates more than 360 degrees before they grab it, the shot is legal.
Hey like the shot tried it some times but when it comes to shoting with the rigth hand nothing works. Long ago when i was smaler i was as good as with my left hand. But one day i broke my radius and my Ulna close to my wrist since that day I lost all force i could but it a shot and all ball control is gone.Atm im shoting goals with the goaly or with the 5 bars.And if im not playing double i mostly lose.
If you can help would be cool cause it hurts losing in the club im going with my friends.
now i gotta get THAT kind of foosball table
how long does it take to get that good?
@Dudefish420 I didnt know that rule. I recently started playing pro and yeah they can do a 359 degree turn. I dont like it either because i do this shot at same speed without turning :P
I love tornado foosball tables
hey zeke! how did u do in Vegas? are u a pro yet?
@zekefooser tornado. yeah if it's freshly lubed it works tons better. i should look into getting a better lube though, it doesnt last that long.
hi mate, i just got a foosball table and there is no control whatsoever, are these rubber balls? MY foosball table came with plastic balls and are damn hard to grip and slide right out of the players feet, i cant even pass the ball without the ball veering offtrack , where can i get the balls u use? i tried ebay but nothing good, same old cheap chinese stuff
Zeke no matter how much I try to practice this, I still can't master it. I'm not sure if something about my table makes it difficult or what.
thank you zeke
Quick tutorial on the rollover/snake shot!
Enjoy,
-zeke
It looks like a spin? How can you do this shot with out spinning?
hello ive a question: ive a foosball table at home but the problem is that the table was from the time when i was a kid and my parents bought a plastic one, with a shitty wooden ball. i rly like foosball and i would like to start practicing more to be alot better at it. the thing is everytime i practice shots and passes in my table i feel like i do not have the necessary table to evolve, it is hard to shot strongly and the table itself is unstable. do you think i should buy one like yours?
How much is that table?
Thanks. Foos on! let me know if you got questions.
thanks, i would really appreciate that.
@Garone1998 It's a tune that comes with the video editing software I use. Don't know the name of the song.
nice video
@zekefooser what is the ball material u r using? thankyou
I'm putting another video together with more info.
Isn't it foul to roll over the player upside down?
What rules are these? Scoring from centre is cheap!
@changyujung9 at our school if you loose 10-0 u need to pass under the table
what is this table called? what model? :)
@Dudefish420 Read the top comments.
i have a problem doing the snake on the bottom side any idea how can i fix this issue? even tho my snake is completly perfect on the top side of goal
Mr Segar dude same
"...at the point of impact, the rod is going to move in the opposite direction of the side of where I'm shooting." WHAT?
why are there 3 people at the goal?
thx
if it is from zeke..its a good vid..!!
there is contact before there is a full 360..which is not a 360....
or maybe you just can't block it ...hmmmmmmmm?
good tutorial...
@letmepointout Whatever rocks your boat.
this video was made on the same year i was born lol
I want to learn this shot :(
might be legal by the rules, but the rollover is considered bullshit in my circles.
Can anyone reconmend me a reverse snakeshot vid, I can't find any.
I like the music
the song?
please ..... Help ... I cant shot the snake shot with POWER .. please MAKE VIDEO For HELPING US
I LIKE YOUR CHANNEL
Hi Musafer. I'll make a video for you with some tips to help.
thank you so much i love u
@zekefooser our table has no ramps and no 3 at the goals,.. ^^
so that's why all the dead balls appear
seen nokia commercial ? if not go for it and afterso just star living your life word of wisdom from UK
so... you listed the variations of the shot. tutorials mean you tell us how you do the shot (i.e. - tips, tricks, drills). this isnt going to help my snake get any better.
Difficult shot
@B3lz3bubxxxx It hurts my pocket because our rules are who loses to 0 has to give the winner/s a beer.
whats the balls u are using ?
try telling that this is illegal to spredeman pappas and moore XD
i play at pacific mall and teamplay in markham toronto and mid's and uglys arent alowed either. In my opinion shooting with the middle guys is so stupid. It shows no class and no skill. Id rather pass the ball to the more capable 3 guys and doing a fast 3-2. but thats just my opinion
rollover in my opinion should be forbidden ...
freak^^
Snake shot is considered cheating on most european tables.
Not really.
Check out this video for response
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no is not :P
foosball isnt a sport
You've never been to college right? :D