ZIGZAG DRT TREE CLIMBING | WORK POSITIONING TIPS & TRICKS | Caving Style Ascent
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- Опубликовано: 3 окт 2024
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The equipment I've used:
ART Snake Anchor
ART Cocoon Pulley
ART Twinline Trapeze
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DMM Ceros Carabiner
DMM Shadow Carabiner
DMM PerfectO Carabiner
DMM Hitch Climber Pulley
DMM Bat Rigging Plate XS
DMM Rigger Becket Pulley
DMM PerfectO Locksafe Carabiner
DMM Ultra D ANSI Locksafe Carabiner
Petzl Chicane
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Petzl OK Carabiner
Petzl William Triact Carabiner
Pfanner Protos Helmet
Notch JetStep Foot Ascender
DMM Captain Hook
Akimbo Ascender Descender
SRT Climbing Techniques
DRT Climbing Techniques
Pfanner Protos Helmet
Notch Rope Runner Pro
Petzl Micro Grab
DMM Captain hook
Singing Tree Rope Wrench ZK-4
Petzl Swivel L
Pfanner Protos Helmet
Monkey Beaver Saddle
Custom Frog walker system
Petzl chest ascender
new england teufleberger 11.7 green rope
Teufelberger XStatic 11.7mm Climbing Rope
Yale Blue Moon 11.7mm Climbing Rope
Teufelberger DragonFly 11mm Climbing Rope
Teufelberger Tachyon 11.5mm Climbing Rope
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This was my first year climbing to do tree work. Learning to be patient and remain calm while climbing through a mine field of suckers and sprouts is key to a safe day. Thanks for the long video. It showed what tree work is really like. You didn't edit and only show 10 minutes of great cuts. You showed every branch slap and sucker scrape. Tree work can get frustrating so one must stay focused and remember it's one safe cut at a time.
I love your pace
Get you a knee ascended, that way you can just walk up the rope while holding the rope hand over hand as you ascend. I use a zig zag for drt ascending. And if I’m watching this right, your hand ascended is the only thing holding you to the rope? So if it were to somehow pop the rope out while you slide up it would be game over?
I love my zigzag, but I use it paired with my ascenders mainly on dead pulls. If I have the tree that I can use to walk up, I use a prusik cord so the zigzag tends itself up the rope as I pull. Like the hunch and slide method, just with much less friction and it slide itself up. Super easy, super smooth
It won't come off. The hand ascended is dbl locked with the carabiner.
That's what I spotted too. This ascender should never be used as life support because its not designed to dynamic loads
I'm pretty sure its rated for life support
@@Cholton222 okay, different country, different safety standards.
There's also a question of quick descending if needed, do you have backup plan?
@@przemysawjanusz2247 I thought the same thing. No back up prusik knot or anything. Also noticed one side of the friction saver was only held in place with a prusik knot no stopper beneath incase it somehow slipped out of place. Im sure this guy knows a hell of a lot more than me as Im a total newb. But I gotta believe having a back up just in case is better than not having it.
I am a beginner and your styles are very helpful to me. using two ropes will make me confident the next time I climb the tree.
Excelente work. And appreciate the raw vids from start to finish. 👏🏼👍
Thank you Sir. Climb safe.
I see this is before the captain hook secret weapon! Great video, jist a little weird to see a ring to ring after you introduced me to the world of pully savera
Pulley saver is so much better. But I still like to play with all my toys you know.
@@chtclimbing agreed, i still have to use the old hitch climber and blaked hitch omce in a while just to remember where i started
when the homeowner comes out and checks and regrets hiring for the job
I love that invention CLIMBING ARBORIST did by putting the foot ascender at the top of his tree spurs. No more trying to reach your ankle when trying to reattach.. you just raise your knee a little and there it is.
54:26 cat-like reflexes lol heck of a catch
Good style. You have your system worked out nicely.
Thank you!
What the negative commenters failed to realize is that the ascent method you chose to use in this video is no different than the footlocking method with the foot locking prusik that was commonly used back in the day. I wish The OG's who have used the foot locking method with the footlocking prusik would give a round of support for the way this man ascended the tree. 1 hitch cord wrapped around the climbing rope. With that hitch cord attached to the climber, the climber foot locked on the Rope and pushed himself up with his legs while advancing the prusik with his hands. How is that different from the way this man ascended with a hand ascender?
Jonathan the difference is a hitch is life support rated a hand ascender is not and will rip the sheath off the rope well well under break strength, kinda irrelevant tho you’d never be able to generate that force even if you tried
SRT > DRT
Zig Zag works well with SRT. Just need a rope wrench or Chiance added for the extra friction. Knee ascender, foot ascender and chest box in your near future I hope.
Great video Jose'. You're candid climbing experiences are sure to help a lot of climbers, new and old. Can you tell me some differences between the xstatic rope and the kernmaster?
I have the same friction saver and I just use a knot to retrieve it
Nice vid ! , ive enjoyed this and the last video , watching you problem solve live is definitely helping me with my climbing 👍🏻
Dan Rigby it’s all a great big puzzle. We can all learn from each other. We can learn what we like and dislike, both ways. I’m very glad to know that I could assist you.
You seem to have left your friction saver up in the tree! lol... I’m just happy to see that you made it down safely. There were a few times when your positioning practices left you dangerously exposed to a fall, such as when you were only attached to the hand ascender without benefit of your lanyard or foot ascender as a secondary point of attachment. A little sketchy at times but still a good video...
He was still rigged double on the petzl
I thought that was the secret to ascending.. use SRT for the first initial climb, then switch over to DRT for work and maneuvering. Because I get wore the heck out trying to ascend DRT.. that 2 to 1 is easier, but more work gas to be exerted.
Is it the petzl ASCENSION?
You can‘t Lock the spikes against thumb opening so its not allowed to use only This Hand to ascend or i am Wrong?
My question is with all the limbs and leaves how did you get your rope in the tree.
I just looked around for a crotch that will sustain me on a base anchor. After locating it I look for a good angle to take my shot and adjust as needed to get the throw ball where I want it. At first it’s intimidating but after a lot of practice it’s like clock work.
I was army to bro. Keep in touch.
I think i have the same saw, silky zubat arborist pro or something like that. I love the saw but i wish i would have gotten a longer one. I feel like I'm "half-stroking" a lot of the time... I've got long arms.
Really? I feel like the saw is long enough. IMO of course. Only because carrying a saw this size is not exactly straight forward.
Looked like a fun job Jose
Yeah I had fun swinging around.
CaptainHook TreeClimbing whats the name of that rope. Has some nice colors. I was possibly getting the Poison Ivy silver
This is the kernmaster safari 11mm
@@chtclimbing how is that kernmaster. I almost got that but went with drenaline instead and its a little bouncy for ascending
Carl Cox it’s definitely a kernmaster. The access is the Xstatic.
Would you pls tell me what kind of shoes you are wearing and where i may get them? They look like they grip the tree good. Thank you Tony
Go to treestuff.com
"Captain hook tree climber". What is that bunji job you accessed this canopy with and is that life support? If so, I really need one.
The pretzel zigzag and chicane combo can easily be used as a hand ascender, just hold the chicane handle. Bonus no having to switch Your primary climb system in the tree, just climb and work on one rope super slick Plus as I’m sure you know you can switch to MRS by removing the chicane
The instructions say not to use the chicane as a handle.
@@chtclimbing I know what your referring to, the picture of a shaded red gloved hand holding the device but look closely the darker red section is showing you the danger is if your wearing bulky gloves it can push the coils of the zigzag down causing it to auto decend, that’s true so you have to be careful with what you chose to wear
@@chtclimbing www.manualslib.com/manual/1745516/Petzl-Zigzag.html?page=4#manual
Your referencing this picture correct?
@@shootemup2223 really good points your making. If the risk is worth it at the time then go ahead.
@@shootemup2223 I’m no saint. I’ve done it too and mechanicals in general pose additional risk. I mean just look at all the cautions.
So the hand ascender is basically used in place of a knee ascender? Is that lighter, or do you find other uses for the hand ascender? Great videos. Thanks for sharing.
Many ways to use the ascender. I strap rigging ropes to them and keep it on me when I anticipate some murky water ahead.
@@chtclimbing tks.
Hate to be a daisy downer but that access method seems less then safe. With using a hand acender as your primary life support is a big no no. Regardless if it's just a access line. Probably should try a safer method. Oh not to mention you never base time using a carabineer. What do I know though I've only been doing this for going on 15 years.
Agreed Sir, climbing on just an ascender is not safe and if one had to descend in a hurry you'd be fucked! Wasps nest or Hornets maybe, 🙄🙄
A B.A with a steel karabiner is ok, just not an aluminium one, 🙄
20:20 you need a hook there 😅
@@Kaizen747 I should have the hook on me more often.
I'll take a little more safety over a hand asender anyday...I mean why have the akimbo and RRP if your hanging on half inch webbing... and what happens if you have to evacuate?
Tree Cred good point. If I had to evacuate on the ascent I probably should not be climbing. Lol but next video I’ll climbing up on one of those devices just for you and I’ll try and remember to make a shout out to you. How’s that?
I like your videos .. and I still give you props on this climb...I think you got the best equipment and was just curious on why a hand asender but you answered it in the video.. you should make a video with you climbing on RRP while traversing on hook with akimbo now that would be a setup..
Tree Cred that is abnoxious. You’re tempting me with a great time. Lol I have two videos with the rrp and hook
@@chtclimbing When you get surrounded by wasps on your ascent you will change your mind, Thanks for the awesome content José.......
I haven’t been climbing that long so this is the first time I’ve ever seen that ascent technique. Just A foot ascender and hand ascender? No friction hitch as back up? So as you’re just hanging there you are only relying on the hand ascender??
Most people will disagree with it but to make it safer you can always attach a friction hitch above the ascender
True Mindy should have the hand ascender backed up check out Jeff Jepsons "climbers companion"
Ps what kind of rope are you using? Thanks again Tony
kernmaster
Top notch handsaw work Sir, I like the format of the video. The way you narriated your way through the climb was excellent. Just a few things though, i wouldn't use an aluminium karabiner for a B.A. A steel rigging karabiner would be my choice there. Climbing on just an ascender is not recommend. Are you a contract climber? Or do you own your own business?? The reason I ask is that you didn't seem to have a groundie with you. It would have made more sense to have had someone feeding the chipper whilst you were in the tree...🤔🤔
Even better than a bulky steel binder that you probably used to rig a big ass tree yesterday, tree stuff makes a device called the quickie It’s basically a steel shackle with a slic pin, the same as the rope wrench.super super light weight small and you can use it on spar work with SRS/SRT In a choking config
I thought that was a generator running.
Why not clear your shelf on the way up and avoid that birds nest? Especially when you already have a rope set.
hey there - thanks for finding the time to put this together - can I ask, as last I climbed it was double moving rope (many decades ago) and now I have some time and an inkling to have fun again pruning my trees (your body ages but not your mind, fun is still fun in your 60s)
So its interesting looking at all these RUclips clips of people using either static or double moving ropes. I'd never heard of redirects till now and it seems that the static rope lends itself better. But I can't recall it being a real problem if you planned things.
Yours is the first video showing use of both. From what I can make out, would it be fair to say the SRT is good for ascending and the DRT is better for working in? For instance, folk seem to have trouble coming back in on a limb walk with a single static rope.
As you say, climbing is 90% positioning, so if you plan things the double moving rope is better. Would that be a fair comment?
Tube rider I agree that moving rope is better for working around in the tree. It’s easier because you have mechanical advantage as soon as you need it. With SRT there are techniques to convert it to a mechanical advantage system. They both have pros and cons. But as you said if you plan it correctly you can really take advantage of a MRS
Tube rider I wouldn’t agree that MRS is better or worse than SRT and that SRT is better or worse than MRS. They both shine bright where the other is a bit dim.
@@chtclimbing so grateful you replied. I'm struggling to find a difinitive video on just that .. i.e. where each shines bright.
In a nut shell, by way of helping people learn, are you able to elaborate.
I'd be, as no doubt would many new comers, for your insights if you have a moment.
Tube rider the biggest problem that you would run into with the MRS is when redirecting. If you are looking to make a redirect the efficiency of your system will suffer terribly. Assuming your using a friction saver of sorts, introducing a natural redirect into the MRS will noticeably decrease its efficiency. The only caveat to that is depending on how much of your weight the redirect bears the greater decrease in efficiency.
So I hope that’s clear as mud. My writing skills for explaining this stuff is lacking.
Now the biggest problem with the SRS is as you mentioned before coming back from a redirect. I will say that that is not too much of a big deal now since we have the ability to quickly install some equipment on the line and create a MRS TO walk BACK BACK ON. Redirects are not a problem for this system because we can move up and down the rope.
The last big difference is that for every foot of rope pulled out of a MRS it allows you to move upwards only six inches because it’s a 2:1.
On a SRS, taking a one foot step with a foot ascender allows you to move one foot because it’s a 1:1.
The simplest way to put it is if you expect many redirects to be made go with the SRS. If you have many limb walks then use a MRS. Lately I have been using the MRS because I have a job that has a production quota. The MRS helps increase my endurance and stamina. The SRT system is very physically demanding so I try to pick wisely.
Thanks so much for finding the time to explain the differences. I've not come across that logic before. Perhaps one day someone will have the time to make a video showing those pros and cons of each.
In the meantime, on behalf of everyone that takes away some learnings from your video and response can I just say many many thanks for your input.
Cheers from Australia
Have you ever used a unicender
Evan Weeks I wish. I’ve contemplated on buying it. Maybe soon. Hbu? If so tell me about it.
new to climbing but like others stated seems sketchy going up with just an ascender. a rads system isnt much more weight than that
im not captain safety either good to see a different method if your in a pinch
You really like that hand saw jose u need to use your stihl 200 more and be more productive. Jose if u already have your life line set and can manuever about why do u feel u need to clean the entire tree trunk/stem first? Wasting time bro!
People really are getting anal about the hand ascender huh? Good job cleaning up those trees man! Keep up the good work
Dude, Jump!
Kinda pointless ascending srt without a knee ascender, hard work with only a foot & hand ascender. Might as well use drt for the 2:1 advantage. I left my knee ascender at home by mistake just this morning & had to use foot & hand ascender only, what a punish. Normally I'd only use harken knee & foot ascender on rope runner pro. Nearly zero friction, no spikes on the cams to fluff up the rope, hand ascender causes fluffy ropes & having another piece of gear above the climbing device is too clunky imo
That's the worst way to ascend if ever seen
Ken Goodrum I doubt that. Go check out one of Mark Chisholm’s Stihl pro tip videos on how to ascend a tree with the SRT. Anyways, My way is well my way. I’m sure your technique is different as all climbers are and should be different. But no need to spread that negativity over here.
It's true. Dont take my word for read every other comment on here
Ken Goodrum if you have a method that looks useful to me then I’ll use it. So tell what you consider the best method you ever seen.
I wouldn't recommend ascending just on a hand ascender, it's not good practice.
Kong Trender Double Handled Ascender
This is what we have to Use in Germany
Because of the thumb lock carabiner