I've always said: the guy was simply unstoppable! there was no way to defend him! If he made 22 or 18 pts per game it's simply because he wasn't good at shooting, not because he couldn't get past the defense that came in front of him. all you could do was put up as much resistance as possible and cross your fingers hoping he would fail.
@Guadalupe Chavarria Dream was still a better center; a one position player, though. If the Rox front office weren't a collection of incompetents spanning nearly three decades, Hakeem would likely have had two more with the type of game Tomjanovich installed. The Barkley trade was epic idiocy on the level of what the Vikings made for Herschel Walker. I said it when it happened, too.
@@asnark7115 bro Rox and Olajuwon lucky to have even won the two they got wtf are you talking bout possibly four with a better front office? no bro, pull your head out of it
Consistency = offense,defense,leadership,unselfish, multiple MVP's, 5x's champion,no off the court drama,at least 55 wins every year,no commercials,winner,playoffs every year for 19yrs,and was soooo coachable. He just came to work,kicked ass and went home. IMO The Greatest PF Of All Time.
@@17thN.O and the shoe commercial were he got so excited he knocked over a plant lol oh and don't forget those HEB commercials. Look em up if you never heard of them
Tim Duncan won 4 titles without a teammate making an All-NBA team, the next closest are Magic and Bird with 2, but they played when there were only 2 All-NBA teams, with 3 they may have none. No other player has more than 1. Duncan is top 5 without question
@@dannyowen-kohutek3843 It was actually Duncan’s last title in which Parker made All-NBA, before that no other title did a teammate make it. Robinson made it between the 99 and 03 title, but didn’t make it in 99 or 03.
Oh, I thought you meant their entire career...I didn't know you meant they made the All-NBA team the same year of a championship. If Manu went to another team, he would be on an All-NBA team. But, he took a salary cut, less minutes in a slower offense to win championships.
@@dannyowen-kohutek3843 Manu was a great player, and he did make a few All-NBA teams, I was just pointing out for some of Duncan’s titles his help was overrated, especially 2003 none of his teammates played even better than average and he still won
If you are starting your franchze from zero and you have to start it all over again with 1 player before selecting anything else,Tim Duncan is one of the safest bets. The fans will love him,teammates will love him no matter who's on the team,he's very coachable and most importantly is a superstar on both ends of the floor but has no problem taking a step down if that's what the team needs. Perfect franchize cornerstone. You think of guys like Kobe and as great as he is I never know how is he going to get along with coaches,teammates and what's gonna happen once he starts to age. That's why I always think of Duncan. Great character,defensive anchor and a first option on a championship level team. All you need. The only place he lacks is in marketability but I'm fine with that. That's by choice...
@@hw5091 he gets into arguments with his teammates once he feels like they are a bigger personality then him or are taking attention away from him. Shaq is a big kid
I love this take. If I had to start a franchise, I'm going with Timmy, Larry, or Bill Russel. Maybe Magic if the other guys are taken. I wouldn't take Jordan because everyone would and I'm a contrarian, but also because if you take Jordan then that becomes a Jordan team. He has a very dominant personality and style of play. The offense in Chicago ran through him to an incredibly high degree. I like Tim Duncan and Larry Bird as franchise starters because they be absolute superstars and can carry a load when needed, but also take a step back into the chemistry of the team when needed, like you said. On any given night.
I got the pleasure of watching the greatest power forward in nba history I watched my spurs draft Timmy d and it was a unreal ride for 19 years with Timmy
Basically me as well. Kawhi's betrayal didn't help matters. Tim is one of few (or the ONLY one) who showcase dignity and class in the game. When he left, it's all about glamour, money, frills with zero loyalty among star players. (Well, hopefully Milwaukee would re-set the trend in staying put and superstars not hopping NBA cities every few years.)
If Steph Curry, Durant, or Harden had 5-1 finals record, 3 finals mvp, 15 all star, 15 All NBA, record 15 All NBA defense 17 straight 50 win season they would be considered top 3 🤦♂️ His personality is the reason he isn’t considered higher but his resume is 🤷♂️
@@jovargas53 Dirk fadeaway is a cheat code as well as Timmy's bank lmao. 2 of the most unstoppable moves ever, both by PFs. People really ignore the position, idky.
I get really annoyed when they say Tim Duncan never had monstrous dunks. From 97 to about 02 or 03 he was very athletic and was putting big men on posters. There's plenty of content on here that proves it, one of my favorites is when he literally crossed over Greg Ostertag and dunked on his head lol
He was the best ever at his main position while having plenty of good competition at PF (Dirk, Garnett, Webber, Gasol, Stoudamire). Arguably the best player of an entire decade (2000s). Only Russell and Jordan have more rings as the clear best player on their teams. Most all defensive teams ever and tied second most all NBA teams ever. Lead Spurs to a title in 03 with no elite teammates (D Rob was washed and Tony+Manu were not good yet.) Lead Spurs to a title in only his 2nd season. Also the Spurs never had a losing season or missed the playoffs with him on the team. That puts him on a list with very few all time greats. He did not have the flashy game and media hype of some but he stands among the absolute best to ever do it. I think his case for top 5 is extremely great.
exactly right ... imagine if duncan had wade & bosh during his prime instead of manu & parker (no disrespect to them) .... when he was a little bit older he had kevin love & a young kyrie irving ..... when he was past of his prime,he had davis ... maybe he's won 7 or 8 rings .........
2 x mvp, 3x finals mvp , 15 x all defensive team 15x all nba , 5x champion. He’s so underrated it’s not even funny. Doing this on 1 team. Not bouncing around from team to team when things get tuff. 1x team Spurs = Legendary
Argument for him being top 5 is legit. During his time. No1 post MJ was as dominate. Consistent. He is one Pop mistake away from being 5-0 at a minimum..2 MVPS. 3 Finals MVPS..folks got to remember. Thus guy was scoring 22 to 25 ppgs in an era where teams barely scored in the 90s. Defensively he is top 2 at worst at his position. Even if he was a 5 man. His career was better than everyone not named Dream or Kareem..him being top 5. I'm good with that really.. his career is better than Kobe and Shaq. Top 5 type guys in his era.. I'm taking him above Russell and Wilt..
You had me there at the beginning, Dan, but halfway through the audio you started talking about Tim the way people talk about him today--with a perspective based on the back-end of his career. You asked about whether Duncan "dunked"? His whole prime was inundated with strong dunks at the basket. You mentioned him playing with great players like Manu and Tony, and coached by a great coach. Those players and coach excelled BECAUSE of Tim Duncan, not the other way around. Popovich was able to coach the team as he did BECAUSE Duncan allowed him to. Make no mistake...Tim Duncan was ALWAYS in control. Anybody who watched the Spurs from 97-07 would know that. There was no mythical "system"; there was only "4-Down." Plenty of game tape of the Spurs simply dumping it down to Duncan and letting him to go to work. Did the others contribute? Absolutely. They played their part just like the Worthy's, the Parish's, the McHale's, the Riley's, the Jackson's before them. But make no mistake...from the moment he set foot on that court, Tim Duncan was the cog that made that franchise into the dynasty it became. Just ask Will Perdue...ask Vinny DelNegro...ask Sean Elliott, Steve Kerr, Kevin Willis, David Robinson...the list goes on and on. They'll tell you the same thing. "We owe EVERYTHING to Tim Duncan." All-Star appearances in reality don't carry so much weight. Look at the REAL highlights of his career: 1st-Team All-NBA as a ROOKIE; Champion, Finals MVP, and league-MVP candidate by his Sophomore season; By his 10th season, he was a 4-time Champion, 3-time Finals MVP, and 2-time League MVP...already an all-timer in 10 years of play (that's Bird and Magic-esque); Finally, he was 29 seconds away from 6-0 in the Finals and 4 Finals MVPs, the only one to rival the great Michael Jordan's Finals resumé.
Tim is the only NBA player in history to have 100+ offensive and defensive win shares. He also still holds the NBA Finals blocks record with 32...in six games. He's top-5, IMO.
There were lots of "wow" moments with Duncan. If people didn't notice, that's on them. Look up "Duncan dunking on Ben Wallace" and "Duncan dunking on Birdman" right here on youtube.
Nobody is mentioning the fact that he made the playoffs EVERY year. The Spurs were a title contender EVERY year he played. He brought a leadership and consistency that every team feared. And he played in the West, which was always the better conference with much better competition. I think his greatness is in his consistency and dominance for such a long period of time.
To add, It wasn’t like the Spurs were just a team that made the playoff, they were CHAMPIONSHIP CONTENDERS, in arguably the most competitive conference of all time. When people say that he didn’t have a definitive peak, its because his championship window lasted his entire career. I always found it so metaphorical that his last game in the league was in the playoffs. No farewell tour, nothing big, just a tweet from the spurs. I believe that he is the most complete player of all time, starting from when he was drafted. Most players often develop into great players but Tim was great from the start, then won his first ring and finals mvp his 3rd year. He is greatness
if duncan had stockton as pg, that would be a quiet, 45 pts 15 assists 15 rebounds 3 steals between them two...but they'll win... boring, but they'll win... . 😊
U mean like 30 assists between the 2 lmao Tim was an unbelievable passer for his size and position if he had Stockton as well making that flow I wouldn’t be surprised if he averaged more assists just based off momentum
@@bryanspence5803 oh yeah, i remember how td and david robinson played hi lo on the post,put stockton in there instead of avery johnson... luvd avery, but stockton with his outside shot and dribble drive to those two towers... wouldve been something else...the ball wouldve been flying around to the open man...
This might be the dumbest basketball comment of all-time. Tim wasn’t more athletic than KG, Hakeem, Wilt, Bill Russell, Dwight Howard, his own teammate David Robinson, Giannis, AD….
If Duncan hadn't played in a small market that lacked national level syndication of famous sports commentators, it's not even a question that he would be top 5 of all time.
Timmy changed everything here in South Texas! He certainly spoiled us ... winning it all was always possible with him! Man I miss him playing with my Spurs!
I agree, very odd that we don't hear timmy top 5 arguments. I get it he wasn't flashy but dammit he personifies consistency and stability. 97 to 16 Spurs made the damn playoffs and won 50. Always was a problem for the league regardless who was there timmy keep them as contenders.
True but lets not act like he didnt have HOF’s level players all his career, from David robinson, to Parker and Ginobili to Kawhi leonard, his team was always stacked. Every players need 1 or more star player with them to win many titles, even MJ needed Pippen and Roadman, even Lebron needed wade and Bosh, Kyrie and Love or AD. You can be the best player in the world basketball is a teamsport and thats why we call these team a Dynasty, a dynasty is a family, its a group of people who dominated their era .
Timmy #1 PF All Time and arguably the best player of all time! You can keep Bron and Jordan, I am taking Duncan 1st in an all-time draft 10 times out of 10!
Tim Duncan is the GOAT to me. 5-1 in the finals. 3 finals MVPs. 2 NBA MVPs. Never missed the playoffs. 21 straight 50+ win seasons. A Finals win in 3 different decades! Once again Just MY opinion
@@pickzkickz in 03 he carried that team to a title being the only All Star on his team when he did it. That's what u call carrying a team to a title. It's so hard and rare to do that only Hakeem and Duncan have done it! That is Boss lvl!💯🐐✌️
thats cause people forget the spurs were good and had injuries before he got there so they voted for him to be all nba for that effect..they gave him too much credit for their turnaround which is why people hyped duncan up back then and said watch his career...they just got healthy and tanked for him..simple...
@@razkable Robinson averaged 16/6 in the playoffs when they won in 99, he was still good but no longer a top 25 player. Duncan won 4 titles without a teammate making an All-NBA team, Magic did. that twice not other player did it more than once, Duncan help is massively overrated
Duncan top 5 of all time base off career and being the best power forward of all time.. duncan not being .flashy just means he wasn't as athletic...the nba is controlled by popularity and not just basketball. If tim duncan isnt top 5 of all time to most people its because it has nothing to do with basketball...after the jordan era was the tim duncan era...duncan was the best player in ten year span...kobe bryant and shaq have never been the best player in a ten year span. Numbers tell his entire career's story...numbers dont lie .consistency means your legit. .your the real deal..your dominance is not by luck...not by system or coaching...tim duncan is the tom Brady of the nba...people under 6'6 feet tall got to get out of their feelings understand the taller you are the more dominate you are...tim Duncan played out of position most of his career....Duncan is better than shaq kobe Stephen curry lebron James karl malone kg larry bird.....the only players on Duncan level is Hakeem kareem and MJ...dominated on both ends of the court
As great as Duncan was, future generations outside of San Antonio won't remember Duncan. He'll go down as the Stan Musial of basketball. The quiet superstar that time forgot.
My only wish for The Big Fundamental, is that he along with Iverson would’ve played on the Redeem Team phase between 2006 🇯🇵 🥉 (2007 🇺🇸 🥇) and 2008 🇨🇳 🥇.
I’m a Spurs guy, home town is SA and I’ve always thought Tim was definitely top 10 prolly in the 9-10 range but after looking up stats and record and who he played w vs who he played against I think top 6 may be more appropriate. MJ, Kareem, Wilt, Magic, Bird, Tim, Bill, Oscar, Kobe, LeBron.
@Rollly Canute I've been watching the NBA since the 1970's.... love Bird & Magic...... but you're correct Tim Duncan isn't the greatest player of all-time, but he's a lot closer to it than most people realize Wilt & Jabbar are better..... perhaps Jordan (closer than most think) but that's it. Duncan is better than Bird, Magic, Kobe, Shaq, Julius, Abdul-Olajuwon, Oscar and even Bill Russell. 4th best player of all-time.
@@mateensharrieff3400 I completely agree. If I was starting a team with 1 player it would be Jordan but my 2nd choice would definitely be Duncan. People look at stats only. This guy did whatever was necessary to win and he made everyone around him much better. He got a lot of role players paid.
His dunk on Haslem in the 2014 finals when he dunks it followed by the fist basically saying we know we should've won in 2013 now we're showing the world who the real champs are.
Bird, Magic, Shaq, Kobe and Wilt all broke down in the later portions of their careers. Jordan, Lebron, Duncan, Kareem, Russell and are top 5 and in that order.
He could be, but anytime I hear this my response is: "Who are the other four??? Really??? What about Hakeem Olajuwan and Larry Bird (for example) -- **they** aren't in your top five???" Tim Duncan is among the NBA's 75 Greatest Players and that's more than good enough!!!
He is top 5. Top five because he’s the best Pf and basketball is a 5 man sport. So the greatest of their position make the top 5. Rank it how you want and start from there 👌🏼
My greatest team I’ve ever witnessed with my own eyes Pg- magic, most beautiful passer I’ve ever seen Sg- jordan, just magnificent Sf- Larry bird, like he was just the best player when he was healthy, just the greatest shooter ever. Steph is good but he needs space, bird needed nothing and would tell you where he was going to shoot it Pf- duncan, what can you say he was dominant on offense and defense. He was so skilled and talented but was so quiet you just think he defense wasn’t being played on him C- this is a tough on but I’ll give Hakeem the nod because he was a ballerina playing the center position. Shaq was the most ferocious player when he was near the basket but he lacked footwork and touch on his shots
Saying he was boring, because he wasn't a loud talker is ridiculous. I never saw Garnett posterize anyone either. I enjoyed watching him play. Duncan whipped Shaq many times.
@@mriwaschosentobegreat4084 Look at it this way...Kareem needed Magic & The Big O to win his titles. At best he is a co-star IMHO. Duncan did it without another superstar several times. In 2003 he did it almost by himself. The second leading score on the team for that playoff run was S. Jackson at 14.7ppg! Then in the closeout game of the finals he gets a quadruple (officially finished with 8 blocks because stat people can't do their job prooerly!) along with 21pts/20reb/10ast/10bk!!! Not too mention he held Kenyon Martin to 3-23 shooting and 6pts with almost 40 mins on the floor! Martin said Duncan was by far the hardest player to guard in his career. That shows how dominant and impactful Duncan was on both sides of the ball! Don't get me wrong, Kareem is still top 6 or 7 all-time IMHO.
There really should be a statue outside of San Antonio’s arena. Surprised there’s not. Someday when pop retires they should at least get a statue of him.
Lol. Kobe and LeBron were easily better. Dwayne Wade was better at his peak by far. Steph is better. Durant is better. Duncan was a selfless leader and a great teammate. He also had the best coach and backcourt in the league. Parker and Ginobili are criminally underrated. Ask Kobe Bryant about TP and Manu. Robert Horry played with Dream and Duncan and he said Dream was 20x better. Hakeem WAS 20x better. Compare their skill levels. Duncan is top 10-12, but he is nowhere near the top 5. The top 5 of all-time are killers. They repeated as champs at LEAST once. Duncan never even lead his team to the Finals as the best guy two straight years, much less win them. Tony Parker was the best player on the 2007, 2013, and 2014 Spurs.
@@thsu8 yur a idiot! Rob Horry's comment was blasphemy! And he was referring to👉 (work ethic) He has always been a role player that jumped to title contenders to get his rings. Not saying it didn't have big shots in key moments but he was not the 1,2 or even 3rd opinion in any team he played on! His words are irrelevant.💯 👉David Robinson when asked who was better he said a more real answer.. "It's hard to say because both player's are extremely gifted and agile. Both have great foot work and positioning. I know ppl will take this as being bias and I know it comes off that way because Timmy is my teammate and we play together but I played against both these players and I have seen what both can do on the court. The only difference is I see alot more from Timmy because we practice together and we are teammates but since day 1 when I first played against Tim in practice and he was schooling me in every way and I was trying my best to play him and I know I'm a decent shot blocker but he was making it look to easy out there and he was just remarkable I knew he was special at that point! It's different you know.. when u see it and play against it is totally different. Both players are great! But I would have to say Timmy and that's my honest opinion." -David Robinson
@@thsu8 Tim Duncan was the best player since Michael Jordan and Jordan has said this in the early 2000 at his basketball youth camp when asked who was the best player outside. Yrs later at another one of his youth camps this time in the gym he was asked again by another large group of kids but this time they asked who was better between LeBron or Kobe? And Michael Jordan first response he said was "Don't sleep on Timmy!"💯😂😂😂 Why did Michael Jordan put Tim Duncan's name in there when the kids were asking who was better between LeBron and Kobe? It's because Michael Jordan has always considered Duncan the best. Jordan is a winner. Look at Tim Duncan's resume! It speaks greatness! Highest winning percentage of All Major Sport's during his career can not be over looked. Neither can his 50+winning seasons for 19yrs straight. Or his winning percentage against every NBA team in the league. These are all 🐐 like accomplishments! Plus He never missed the playoffs his entire career that is 19yrs straight! These do have weight when talking about how great a player was and what was he worth to his team and franchise. "The only stats that matter are winning game's and title's!" -Michael Jordan 👉 It's because he's a winner. "Greatness recognizes greatness." 💯✌️
kg not in that same class imo..i take kobe for money reasons..kobe brings in fans with his style of play...which raises salary cap making it easier to have stars togther....nba needs ratings....
Tim Duncan’s game was influenced by his swimming skills. The smoothness in the outside shot, the footwork, how he played defense and got position for rebounds. My favorite all-time player.
I’m into learning about organizational leadership and what makes a great leader. From that, I’d like to point out that Duncan’s leadership ability is the greatest of all time. He knows when to lead as the man, when to make leadership as a supporter, and most importantly consistency in group/team success. Also I think a great leader have a mentor/teacher type of leadership and being calm and collected and show the fundamentals for everything to the group or even to the society. Put that along with his accomplishments as a player, Duncan is one of the GOATs, arguable to be top three.
@@jeremiahsmith7706 you stop it. When your only fallacy is quite literally something out of your hands (Pop benching with a small amount of time in the 4th) which stopped you being 6/6 within a span of 15 seasons total in 3 different eras, you're no less than top 5. Not when you're the obvious best ever at your position, have multiple defensive postseason records or accomplishments, showed up big against many dynamic duos alone, etc. Duncan top 5 at worst. Top 1 at best. Difference between his 6 and Jordan 6 is one's coach wasn't retarded for a split second. Only big man anyone would consider over Timmy is Wilt. Timmy was also a defensive staple every year of his career.
I disagree that Duncan was boring. If you a hoop head and you watched him dominate both ends of the floor without pouting and demanding the ball then he would get blocks on his man and also on weak side helping. It was a beautiful thing that I miss till this day.
He went out every night and quietly embarrassed the best players in the world, he was unreal. Incredibly dominant
I've always said: the guy was simply unstoppable! there was no way to defend him! If he made 22 or 18 pts per game it's simply because he wasn't good at shooting, not because he couldn't get past the defense that came in front of him. all you could do was put up as much resistance as possible and cross your fingers hoping he would fail.
Olajuwon did that....
@Guadalupe Chavarria Dream was still a better center; a one position player, though. If the Rox front office weren't a collection of incompetents spanning nearly three decades, Hakeem would likely have had two more with the type of game Tomjanovich installed. The Barkley trade was epic idiocy on the level of what the Vikings made for Herschel Walker. I said it when it happened, too.
@@asnark7115 bro Rox and Olajuwon lucky to have even won the two they got wtf are you talking bout possibly four with a better front office? no bro, pull your head out of it
@@zenodee You need to check the stats and NBA records Houston set for those two years, Einstein.
Tim Duncan: winning record vs every single NBA team. 70% winning pct. Never missed the playoffs.
This stat is unbelievable
*Spurs....superteam.
@@pickzkickz not at all
@@pickzkickz so if tony Parker was the leader of the team are they gonna reach the playoffs??
that's why he is totally underrated.
“He didn’t ask for anything, but gave you everything”
he asked for his family to travel on the orlando magic private plane and doc rivers said no
@@chiniechinchen haha you have a point. but this story has more to say about Doc than Tim.
Consistency = offense,defense,leadership,unselfish, multiple MVP's, 5x's champion,no off the court drama,at least 55 wins every year,no commercials,winner,playoffs every year for 19yrs,and was soooo coachable. He just came to work,kicked ass and went home. IMO The Greatest PF Of All Time.
Lol he was in some commercials tho
@@t-god2439 Right Guard with the gnomes lol.
@@17thN.O and the shoe commercial were he got so excited he knocked over a plant lol oh and don't forget those HEB commercials. Look em up if you never heard of them
yeah, I can't believe Dan said he wasn't exciting to watch play
@@joshkidd2075 I enjoyed watching him play.
They say he the most boring person but I gotta say give this man his flowers 💐 now
He is criminally underrated
I dont think he is underrated. He is top 10 no doubt and you can argue even top 5 or 4. Everyone knows how great he is.
Tim Duncan won 4 titles without a teammate making an All-NBA team, the next closest are Magic and Bird with 2, but they played when there were only 2 All-NBA teams, with 3 they may have none. No other player has more than 1.
Duncan is top 5 without question
David Robinson
Oh my bad, you wrote 4. The first championship was with Drob
@@dannyowen-kohutek3843 It was actually Duncan’s last title in which Parker made All-NBA, before that no other title did a teammate make it. Robinson made it between the 99 and 03 title, but didn’t make it in 99 or 03.
Oh, I thought you meant their entire career...I didn't know you meant they made the All-NBA team the same year of a championship. If Manu went to another team, he would be on an All-NBA team. But, he took a salary cut, less minutes in a slower offense to win championships.
@@dannyowen-kohutek3843 Manu was a great player, and he did make a few All-NBA teams, I was just pointing out for some of Duncan’s titles his help was overrated, especially 2003 none of his teammates played even better than average and he still won
If you are starting your franchze from zero and you have to start it all over again with 1 player before selecting anything else,Tim Duncan is one of the safest bets. The fans will love him,teammates will love him no matter who's on the team,he's very coachable and most importantly is a superstar on both ends of the floor but has no problem taking a step down if that's what the team needs.
Perfect franchize cornerstone. You think of guys like Kobe and as great as he is I never know how is he going to get along with coaches,teammates and what's gonna happen once he starts to age. That's why I always think of Duncan. Great character,defensive anchor and a first option on a championship level team. All you need. The only place he lacks is in marketability but I'm fine with that. That's by choice...
Shaq. He was better and could anywhere. And puts asses in seats.
@@hw5091 he gets into arguments with his teammates once he feels like they are a bigger personality then him or are taking attention away from him. Shaq is a big kid
I love this take. If I had to start a franchise, I'm going with Timmy, Larry, or Bill Russel. Maybe Magic if the other guys are taken. I wouldn't take Jordan because everyone would and I'm a contrarian, but also because if you take Jordan then that becomes a Jordan team. He has a very dominant personality and style of play. The offense in Chicago ran through him to an incredibly high degree.
I like Tim Duncan and Larry Bird as franchise starters because they be absolute superstars and can carry a load when needed, but also take a step back into the chemistry of the team when needed, like you said. On any given night.
@@bradleylovej this guy gets it
I got the pleasure of watching the greatest power forward in nba history I watched my spurs draft Timmy d and it was a unreal ride for 19 years with Timmy
I get tired of people saying Tim's play was boring. It was not boring. It was beautiful.
They forgot the Tim Duncan before the feet injury. He was high flying
Problem is that nobody was watching him for the first ten years. He was never boring
Tim is a top 5 player, I quit watching the NBA when he retired.
Me too,He’s my favorite since his college days.
I stuck around for Manu's last year. Then I was out
Me too.
Basically me as well.
Kawhi's betrayal didn't help matters.
Tim is one of few (or the ONLY one) who showcase dignity and class in the game. When he left, it's all about glamour, money, frills with zero loyalty among star players.
(Well, hopefully Milwaukee would re-set the trend in staying put and superstars not hopping NBA cities every few years.)
I quit watching after what happened with Kawhi and GSW.
Duncan has a lot of exciting highlight plays! And clutch shots
Wow I've never heard Dan Patrick admit how great Timmy D truly was. Top 2-3 all time for sure.
Imagine if Timmy had better help, he could have had 8 or 9 titles!
If Steph Curry, Durant, or Harden had 5-1 finals record, 3 finals mvp, 15 all star, 15 All NBA, record 15 All NBA defense 17 straight 50 win season they would be considered top 3 🤦♂️ His personality is the reason he isn’t considered higher but his resume is 🤷♂️
My top 3 is Jordan, Duncan, and then Lebron. Lebron is a bit better than Duncan, but Duncan won his chips the right way.
Tim Duncan is so unappreciated just because he played for a small market team doesn’t diminish what he did
History will remember him fondly!
Drop step, spin, off the glass. You knew it was coming but still couldn't stop it...for years!! Not many guys can say that.
Dirk fadeaway is up there. Texas saw the best rivalry since the bulls/pistons matchups
@@jovargas53 LOL! Yup...FoSho!
@@jovargas53 Dirk fadeaway is a cheat code as well as Timmy's bank lmao. 2 of the most unstoppable moves ever, both by PFs. People really ignore the position, idky.
I get really annoyed when they say Tim Duncan never had monstrous dunks. From 97 to about 02 or 03 he was very athletic and was putting big men on posters. There's plenty of content on here that proves it, one of my favorites is when he literally crossed over Greg Ostertag and dunked on his head lol
Absolutely
TD even pulled off an in game off the backboard dunk
He was a high flying Nixxa
Ppl really dont want to include Duncan because he wasn't flashy like everyone else in the top 10 but he was incredibly effective.
He was the best ever at his main position while having plenty of good competition at PF (Dirk, Garnett, Webber, Gasol, Stoudamire). Arguably the best player of an entire decade (2000s). Only Russell and Jordan have more rings as the clear best player on their teams. Most all defensive teams ever and tied second most all NBA teams ever. Lead Spurs to a title in 03 with no elite teammates (D Rob was washed and Tony+Manu were not good yet.) Lead Spurs to a title in only his 2nd season.
Also the Spurs never had a losing season or missed the playoffs with him on the team. That puts him on a list with very few all time greats. He did not have the flashy game and media hype of some but he stands among the absolute best to ever do it. I think his case for top 5 is extremely great.
exactly right ... imagine if duncan had wade & bosh during his prime instead of manu & parker (no disrespect to them) .... when he was a little bit older he had kevin love & a young kyrie irving ..... when he was past of his prime,he had davis ... maybe he's won 7 or 8 rings .........
Easily top 5 all time!
Don’t forget Sheed,Zack Randolph,Jermaine O’Neal
Tim Duncan was primetime day 1. A GOAT
2 x mvp, 3x finals mvp , 15 x all defensive team 15x all nba , 5x champion. He’s so underrated it’s not even funny. Doing this on 1 team. Not bouncing around from team to team when things get tuff. 1x team Spurs = Legendary
Argument for him being top 5 is legit. During his time. No1 post MJ was as dominate. Consistent. He is one Pop mistake away from being 5-0 at a minimum..2 MVPS. 3 Finals MVPS..folks got to remember. Thus guy was scoring 22 to 25 ppgs in an era where teams barely scored in the 90s. Defensively he is top 2 at worst at his position. Even if he was a 5 man. His career was better than everyone not named Dream or Kareem..him being top 5. I'm good with that really.. his career is better than Kobe and Shaq. Top 5 type guys in his era.. I'm taking him above Russell and Wilt..
Don’t forget the quadruple double. Legitimately robbed of a quadruple double by an official’s recording error.
@Pretend facts
@@brawndothethirstmutilator9848 in the finals at that. Crazy.
You had me there at the beginning, Dan, but halfway through the audio you started talking about Tim the way people talk about him today--with a perspective based on the back-end of his career. You asked about whether Duncan "dunked"? His whole prime was inundated with strong dunks at the basket. You mentioned him playing with great players like Manu and Tony, and coached by a great coach. Those players and coach excelled BECAUSE of Tim Duncan, not the other way around. Popovich was able to coach the team as he did BECAUSE Duncan allowed him to. Make no mistake...Tim Duncan was ALWAYS in control. Anybody who watched the Spurs from 97-07 would know that. There was no mythical "system"; there was only "4-Down." Plenty of game tape of the Spurs simply dumping it down to Duncan and letting him to go to work. Did the others contribute? Absolutely. They played their part just like the Worthy's, the Parish's, the McHale's, the Riley's, the Jackson's before them. But make no mistake...from the moment he set foot on that court, Tim Duncan was the cog that made that franchise into the dynasty it became. Just ask Will Perdue...ask Vinny DelNegro...ask Sean Elliott, Steve Kerr, Kevin Willis, David Robinson...the list goes on and on. They'll tell you the same thing. "We owe EVERYTHING to Tim Duncan."
All-Star appearances in reality don't carry so much weight. Look at the REAL highlights of his career: 1st-Team All-NBA as a ROOKIE; Champion, Finals MVP, and league-MVP candidate by his Sophomore season; By his 10th season, he was a 4-time Champion, 3-time Finals MVP, and 2-time League MVP...already an all-timer in 10 years of play (that's Bird and Magic-esque); Finally, he was 29 seconds away from 6-0 in the Finals and 4 Finals MVPs, the only one to rival the great Michael Jordan's Finals resumé.
I wished I could copy and paste your comment, especially to those who says he had a stack team,and yes they do owe everything to Tim......
Tim is the only NBA player in history to have 100+ offensive and defensive win shares. He also still holds the NBA Finals blocks record with 32...in six games.
He's top-5, IMO.
nice name my friend
Tim is absolutely a top 5 player. I would say, in no particular order, Jordan, Lebron, Kareem, Duncan, and Magic
Magic & Timmy got the same amount of rings as Kobe..but Bryant has the better overall skill of the three.
I agree completely........ IF u drop lbj to 9th or 10th
@@chiecheung25 Lebron is top 3 no matter what you say
@@luckycarter536 how many of those championships Kobe was the best player.
@@luckycarter536 He had prime Shaq... Timmy was always the best player on his team.
There were lots of "wow" moments with Duncan. If people didn't notice, that's on them.
Look up "Duncan dunking on Ben Wallace" and "Duncan dunking on Birdman" right here on youtube.
Tim's stat line for Game 6 of 2003 NBA Finals 21 pts 20 RB 10 AST 8 Blks
Definitely Top 5. Actually he is my Number 5.
i used to wake up at around 2-5am (european zone) just to watch him play...after he retired im just a casual fan and dont care who wins
Nobody is mentioning the fact that he made the playoffs EVERY year. The Spurs were a title contender EVERY year he played. He brought a leadership and consistency that every team feared. And he played in the West, which was always the better conference with much better competition. I think his greatness is in his consistency and dominance for such a long period of time.
To add, It wasn’t like the Spurs were just a team that made the playoff, they were CHAMPIONSHIP CONTENDERS, in arguably the most competitive conference of all time. When people say that he didn’t have a definitive peak, its because his championship window lasted his entire career. I always found it so metaphorical that his last game in the league was in the playoffs. No farewell tour, nothing big, just a tweet from the spurs. I believe that he is the most complete player of all time, starting from when he was drafted. Most players often develop into great players but Tim was great from the start, then won his first ring and finals mvp his 3rd year. He is greatness
Top 5. No question. On top of that, If he pounded his chest, talked trash, and got in opponent's faces he would be considered top 3
The only thing Tim Duncan didn't pull off was a back-to-back championship. He accomplished everything else.
if duncan had stockton as pg, that would be a quiet, 45 pts 15 assists 15 rebounds 3 steals between them two...but they'll win... boring, but they'll win... . 😊
U mean like 30 assists between the 2 lmao Tim was an unbelievable passer for his size and position if he had Stockton as well making that flow I wouldn’t be surprised if he averaged more assists just based off momentum
@@bryanspence5803 oh yeah, i remember how td and david robinson played hi lo on the post,put stockton in there instead of avery johnson... luvd avery, but stockton with his outside shot and dribble drive to those two towers... wouldve been something else...the ball wouldve been flying around to the open man...
Best ever footwork and athletism for a man of his size. So glad he was on my team.
This might be the dumbest basketball comment of all-time. Tim wasn’t more athletic than KG, Hakeem, Wilt, Bill Russell, Dwight Howard, his own teammate David Robinson, Giannis, AD….
Tim Duncan is sooo underrated player
I actually think top five is conservative for Duncan. I have him third overall behind Jordan and Kareem.
If Duncan hadn't played in a small market that lacked national level syndication of famous sports commentators, it's not even a question that he would be top 5 of all time.
8:15 Exactly. When we have these discussions, we need to do it by generation. It is so hard to compare someone like Wilt Chamberlain to Steph Curry.
No it's not lol
Timmy changed everything here in South Texas! He certainly spoiled us ... winning it all was always possible with him! Man I miss him playing with my Spurs!
David Robinson made San Antonio relevant, Tim Duncan made San Antonio into championship contenders .
I agree, very odd that we don't hear timmy top 5 arguments. I get it he wasn't flashy but dammit he personifies consistency and stability.
97 to 16 Spurs made the damn playoffs and won 50. Always was a problem for the league regardless who was there timmy keep them as contenders.
True but lets not act like he didnt have HOF’s level players all his career, from David robinson, to Parker and Ginobili to Kawhi leonard, his team was always stacked.
Every players need 1 or more star player with them to win many titles, even MJ needed Pippen and Roadman, even Lebron needed wade and Bosh, Kyrie and Love or AD.
You can be the best player in the world basketball is a teamsport and thats why we call these team a Dynasty, a dynasty is a family, its a group of people who dominated their era .
5 rings without demanding trades or building superteams just great drafting and building around him.
Kobe, Duncan, or Garnett for 15 years to start my team? Duncan every time. Duncan made everyone around him better.
Top-5 all-time for sure.
Shaq said it himself that Tim is the greatest big man
Tim Duncan = G.O.A.T
Tim Duncan Lets his game speak for its self. His numbers tell u how great he is.
He is a top ten player of all time
Thank you for this! TD is so underrated
Timmy #1 PF All Time and arguably the best player of all time! You can keep Bron and Jordan, I am taking Duncan 1st in an all-time draft 10 times out of 10!
Tim Duncan is the GOAT to me. 5-1 in the finals. 3 finals MVPs. 2 NBA MVPs. Never missed the playoffs. 21 straight 50+ win seasons. A Finals win in 3 different decades! Once again Just MY opinion
Super teams helped.
@@pickzkickz in 03 he carried that team to a title being the only All Star on his team when he did it. That's what u call carrying a team to a title. It's so hard and rare to do that only Hakeem and Duncan have done it! That is Boss lvl!💯🐐✌️
I agree he is a Top 5 of all time.
All-NBA first team as a rookie. Ok, wow.
3rd in MVP voting, and made All-NBA first team at 37
Won a championship in 3 different decades
thats cause people forget the spurs were good and had injuries before he got there so they voted for him to be all nba for that effect..they gave him too much credit for their turnaround which is why people hyped duncan up back then and said watch his career...they just got healthy and tanked for him..simple...
@@razkable too much credit lmao. Oh man ur a special kinda stupid
@@razkable Robinson averaged 16/6 in the playoffs when they won in 99, he was still good but no longer a top 25 player.
Duncan won 4 titles without a teammate making an All-NBA team, Magic did. that twice not other player did it more than once, Duncan help is massively overrated
I agree. Top 5. Maybe top 3. Unguardable- 2 way big
Tim is d greatest power forward of all times...
If you have to pick your 1st pick for a team, Tim's the man.
Mr. Fundamental, top 5 DOA 🔥
Duncan top 5 of all time base off career and being the best power forward of all time.. duncan not being .flashy just means he wasn't as athletic...the nba is controlled by popularity and not just basketball. If tim duncan isnt top 5 of all time to most people its because it has nothing to do with basketball...after the jordan era was the tim duncan era...duncan was the best player in ten year span...kobe bryant and shaq have never been the best player in a ten year span. Numbers tell his entire career's story...numbers dont lie .consistency means your legit. .your the real deal..your dominance is not by luck...not by system or coaching...tim duncan is the tom Brady of the nba...people under 6'6 feet tall got to get out of their feelings understand the taller you are the more dominate you are...tim Duncan played out of position most of his career....Duncan is better than shaq kobe Stephen curry lebron James karl malone kg larry bird.....the only players on Duncan level is Hakeem kareem and MJ...dominated on both ends of the court
As great as Duncan was, future generations outside of San Antonio won't remember Duncan. He'll go down as the Stan Musial of basketball. The quiet superstar that time forgot.
Lol if u think about it future generations like hundred and thousands of yrs from now won't remember any of these guys.
Earth might not exist hundreds of thousands of years from now. Lol
@@auburnmann3630 lol lets say if it does u get my point bro so all time list is silly we can say recent history or by eras feel me?
Dude such a great comparison
Except he won't.
He posterized Ben Wallace and Birdman pretty good
My only wish for The Big Fundamental, is that he along with Iverson would’ve played on the Redeem Team phase between 2006 🇯🇵 🥉 (2007 🇺🇸 🥇) and 2008 🇨🇳 🥇.
My 3rd favorite player of all time
Tim Duncan is one of the best and being from Texas I loved seeing them win! At least my Rockets got 2
I’m a Spurs guy, home town is SA and I’ve always thought Tim was definitely top 10 prolly in the 9-10 range but after looking up stats and record and who he played w vs who he played against I think top 6 may be more appropriate. MJ, Kareem, Wilt, Magic, Bird, Tim, Bill, Oscar, Kobe, LeBron.
For me Duncan are ahead of Bird and Magic.
Stretch…
@@DangleFront not at all.
@Rollly Canute
I've been watching the NBA since the 1970's.... love Bird & Magic......
but you're correct
Tim Duncan isn't the greatest player of all-time, but he's a lot closer to it than most people realize
Wilt & Jabbar are better.....
perhaps Jordan (closer than most think)
but that's it.
Duncan is better than Bird, Magic, Kobe, Shaq, Julius, Abdul-Olajuwon, Oscar and even Bill Russell.
4th best player of all-time.
@@mateensharrieff3400 I completely agree. If I was starting a team with 1 player it would be Jordan but my 2nd choice would definitely be Duncan. People look at stats only. This guy did whatever was necessary to win and he made everyone around him much better. He got a lot of role players paid.
it was duncan era after mike not shaq not kobe
Thank you!!!
Nah shaq and kobe 3pt after mike you gotta give them that
@@jrealdahoodsgreatest after mike. Duncan won the first championship. So wtf are you talking about 😂
@@MFjaYWiLL shortened season against the 8th seed NY KNICKS yeah okay 👌🏾 you got it
@@jrealdahoodsgreatest acting like 3 is more than 5 😂🤣😂
Mike, Kareem, LeBron, Russell, *Duncan,* Magic....
I can agree with that.
I don't like Russell top 4 but yeah
1. Jordan
2. Duncan
3. Kareem
4. LeBron
5. Magic
His dunk on Haslem in the 2014 finals when he dunks it followed by the fist basically saying we know we should've won in 2013 now we're showing the world who the real champs are.
Best player since Mike
Bird, Magic, Shaq, Kobe and Wilt all broke down in the later portions of their careers. Jordan, Lebron, Duncan, Kareem, Russell and are top 5 and in that order.
He could be, but anytime I hear this my response is: "Who are the other four??? Really??? What about Hakeem Olajuwan and Larry Bird (for example) -- **they** aren't in your top five???" Tim Duncan is among the NBA's 75 Greatest Players and that's more than good enough!!!
The NBA has their 75th Anniversary coming up.
Dark horse pick for the GOAT
Tim posterized my boy Ben Wallace.
People seem to forget that.
@@RighteousRhythm Not an easy task to do, but he got him.
Big Ben was a beast!
@@mechajintsu He was a beast. One of my favorite players of all time.
I wouldn’t say top 5, but definitely top 10. 5-1 in the finals. Best PF of all time without a doubt.
He is top 5. Top five because he’s the best Pf and basketball is a 5 man sport. So the greatest of their position make the top 5. Rank it how you want and start from there 👌🏼
He's top 5 for sure!
I agree
Who's your top 5 if he ain't in it?
@@TheNatedoggva 1. Jordan 2. Magic 3.Kareem 4. Wilt 5. Bird
Totally agree !!
The bank bro!!! It was soooo deadly!!! TD was the stuff!! Killed the damn lakers!!!! Loved it! Rip Kobe..
My greatest team I’ve ever witnessed with my own eyes
Pg- magic, most beautiful passer I’ve ever seen
Sg- jordan, just magnificent
Sf- Larry bird, like he was just the best player when he was healthy, just the greatest shooter ever. Steph is good but he needs space, bird needed nothing and would tell you where he was going to shoot it
Pf- duncan, what can you say he was dominant on offense and defense. He was so skilled and talented but was so quiet you just think he defense wasn’t being played on him
C- this is a tough on but I’ll give Hakeem the nod because he was a ballerina playing the center position. Shaq was the most ferocious player when he was near the basket but he lacked footwork and touch on his shots
Saying he was boring, because he wasn't a loud talker is ridiculous. I never saw Garnett posterize anyone either. I enjoyed watching him play. Duncan whipped Shaq many times.
He literally carried an entire franchise and a city. That puts him a cut above the rest.
He is definitely top 5 in my book. Along with Larry Bird, MJ, Russell, and Magic.
Um Duncan isn’t Bette than Kareem Abdul Jabar
@@mriwaschosentobegreat4084 Look at it this way...Kareem needed Magic & The Big O to win his titles. At best he is a co-star IMHO. Duncan did it without another superstar several times. In 2003 he did it almost by himself. The second leading score on the team for that playoff run was S. Jackson at 14.7ppg! Then in the closeout game of the finals he gets a quadruple (officially finished with 8 blocks because stat people can't do their job prooerly!) along with 21pts/20reb/10ast/10bk!!! Not too mention he held Kenyon Martin to 3-23 shooting and 6pts with almost 40 mins on the floor! Martin said Duncan was by far the hardest player to guard in his career. That shows how dominant and impactful Duncan was on both sides of the ball!
Don't get me wrong, Kareem is still top 6 or 7 all-time IMHO.
There really should be a statue outside of San Antonio’s arena. Surprised there’s not. Someday when pop retires they should at least get a statue of him.
Tim Duncan is an underrated passer too
Tim fasho top 5 .. check his stats N accomplishments N the eye test don’t lie
Duncan is the best player after the Jordan Era. Nobody touching his resume
Facts
Kobe?
Lol. Kobe and LeBron were easily better. Dwayne Wade was better at his peak by far. Steph is better. Durant is better. Duncan was a selfless leader and a great teammate. He also had the best coach and backcourt in the league. Parker and Ginobili are criminally underrated. Ask Kobe Bryant about TP and Manu. Robert Horry played with Dream and Duncan and he said Dream was 20x better. Hakeem WAS 20x better. Compare their skill levels. Duncan is top 10-12, but he is nowhere near the top 5. The top 5 of all-time are killers. They repeated as champs at LEAST once. Duncan never even lead his team to the Finals as the best guy two straight years, much less win them. Tony Parker was the best player on the 2007, 2013, and 2014 Spurs.
@@thsu8 yur a idiot! Rob Horry's comment was blasphemy! And he was referring to👉 (work ethic) He has always been a role player that jumped to title contenders to get his rings. Not saying it didn't have big shots in key moments but he was not the 1,2 or even 3rd opinion in any team he played on! His words are irrelevant.💯 👉David Robinson when asked who was better he said a more real answer.. "It's hard to say because both player's are extremely gifted and agile. Both have great foot work and positioning. I know ppl will take this as being bias and I know it comes off that way because Timmy is my teammate and we play together but I played against both these players and I have seen what both can do on the court. The only difference is I see alot more from Timmy because we practice together and we are teammates but since day 1 when I first played against Tim in practice and he was schooling me in every way and I was trying my best to play him and I know I'm a decent shot blocker but he was making it look to easy out there and he was just remarkable I knew he was special at that point! It's different you know.. when u see it and play against it is totally different. Both players are great! But I would have to say Timmy and that's my honest opinion." -David Robinson
@@thsu8 Tim Duncan was the best player since Michael Jordan and Jordan has said this in the early 2000 at his basketball youth camp when asked who was the best player outside. Yrs later at another one of his youth camps this time in the gym he was asked again by another large group of kids but this time they asked who was better between LeBron or Kobe? And Michael Jordan first response he said was "Don't sleep on Timmy!"💯😂😂😂 Why did Michael Jordan put Tim Duncan's name in there when the kids were asking who was better between LeBron and Kobe? It's because Michael Jordan has always considered Duncan the best. Jordan is a winner. Look at Tim Duncan's resume! It speaks greatness! Highest winning percentage of All Major Sport's during his career can not be over looked. Neither can his 50+winning seasons for 19yrs straight. Or his winning percentage against every NBA team in the league. These are all 🐐 like accomplishments! Plus He never missed the playoffs his entire career that is 19yrs straight! These do have weight when talking about how great a player was and what was he worth to his team and franchise. "The only stats that matter are winning game's and title's!" -Michael Jordan 👉 It's because he's a winner. "Greatness recognizes greatness." 💯✌️
When your the GREATEST at your position, and ya by a good margin, he is EASILY a top 5 of all time, i
Perfect description by Dan!
My favorite player of all time
for 15 years im taking Tim Duncan and hes top 5 for sure
kg not in that same class imo..i take kobe for money reasons..kobe brings in fans with his style of play...which raises salary cap making it easier to have stars togther....nba needs ratings....
@@razkable i got TD over kobe.. at the end of thr day its about winning and TD did it better than anybody else in his era
He's definitely my No. 1
Tim Duncan’s game was influenced by his swimming skills. The smoothness in the outside shot, the footwork, how he played defense and got position for rebounds.
My favorite all-time player.
I’m into learning about organizational leadership and what makes a great leader.
From that, I’d like to point out that Duncan’s leadership ability is the greatest of all time. He knows when to lead as the man, when to make leadership as a supporter, and most importantly consistency in group/team success. Also I think a great leader have a mentor/teacher type of leadership and being calm and collected and show the fundamentals for everything to the group or even to the society.
Put that along with his accomplishments as a player, Duncan is one of the GOATs, arguable to be top three.
1. Jordan
2. Kareem
3. Magic
4. Duncan
5. Kobe
6. LeBron
7. Bird
8. Hakeem
9. Shaq
10. Zeke
I did not see Russell, Chamberlain, or Oscar play.
Who is Zeke?
For sure. The Great Timmy.
def top 5
EASILY TOP 5
2nd greatest players of all time in my opinion. So happy for Tim Duncan
Agreed!
Stop it right now
@@jeremiahsmith7706 just my opinion. I’m 34 he is that great to me and me only.
@@jeremiahsmith7706 you stop it. When your only fallacy is quite literally something out of your hands (Pop benching with a small amount of time in the 4th) which stopped you being 6/6 within a span of 15 seasons total in 3 different eras, you're no less than top 5. Not when you're the obvious best ever at your position, have multiple defensive postseason records or accomplishments, showed up big against many dynamic duos alone, etc. Duncan top 5 at worst.
Top 1 at best. Difference between his 6 and Jordan 6 is one's coach wasn't retarded for a split second. Only big man anyone would consider over Timmy is Wilt. Timmy was also a defensive staple every year of his career.
@@lyrics2challenged bill Russell>Wilt
I remember Duncan's dunk on Ben Wallace. Duncan did dunk a lot and had a lot of clutch plays, just watch his highlights.
Tim was a perfect player. Perfect
His body of work is too good to keep him out of the top 5.
if not for ray allen he had 4 finals mvps and 6 titles 5 as the best player...simple math....if you look at it that way he is top 5..
@@razkable if not for Greg benching him* on a whim. It was no reason to pull Timmy.
He’s number 5 for me.
I disagree that Duncan was boring. If you a hoop head and you watched him dominate both ends of the floor without pouting and demanding the ball then he would get blocks on his man and also on weak side helping. It was a beautiful thing that I miss till this day.