Absolutely awesome video, Jon. I love how long that 3rd slide pull is. A lot of older instruments without a tuning ring on the 3rd have only a couple inches of movable tubing. And the final result sounds amazing all the way down to that concert D! Thanks for documenting this process!
Thanks, Sam!!! I’m super pleased with how it turned out. Yeah, I was lucky - I didn’t think to take a picture of it before the modifications, but the male slide legs were HILARIOUSLY long on the 3rd slide. And then I told Scott to give me as much movable slide as I could possibly get. 😂😂😂
The early Conn Victor cornets had linkages that automatically adjusted the 3 valve slides when switching between B-flat and A. The also had version that came with a set of slide to play in C which gave you 3 keys to chose from. The Cornets were commonly sized in the Conn 2 1/2 bore, which is .465 inches.
That old school mouthpiece reminds me of the one that is stuck in my Dad's old Conn bugle. It's my favorite mouthpiece ever. You'd almost think it was made from thick sheet metal instead of a billet with how svelt it is, and the rim is just perfect. Nice sharp throat, too. I really wish modern mouthpieces were more like that.
Tech here. Here is how i would address the smell of the instrument. In my opinion, the source of the smell is the oxidized outer layer of the brass. This can be remedied by polishing the instrument. Of course, polishing off any sort is a debatable practice in this community, as many techs will simply walk the instrument up to a buffer and remove an unconscionable amount of material. Instead, I recommend hand-ragging with a product called Flitz. While Flitz does contain an abrasive component (how else would it polish?) I find that it is extremely gentle. It does not leave unsightly scratches like Brasso or Silvo. I put the insrument out the part in a wooden mount in the vise and hand rag with some Flitz on some cheesecloth, then follow up with a dry cheesecloth and finally some soap and water. Does not leave fossilized chunks in the corners like liquid polishes. If I were in your position, I would test the operation on an old horn you’re not attached to to see if you like the result. You can get a *stunning* wet mirror finish on raw brass if you want to, or you can brighten it up just slightly and reduce the patina instead of removing it completely. Either way, you can maintain the finish by giving it another polish once or twice a year.
You can wax raw brass or just clean it with 0000steelwool and handsoap in the 0000 steelwool then wait for new patina (takes about 2 years) edit... YOU CAN NOT DO THIS TO SILVERPLATE IT WILL JUST DESTROY THE SILVERSURFACE, but rawbrass just gets clean if you dont use high preassure.
Absolutely love what you've done to the instrument Jon, it's looking and sounding brilliant! Is there a reason why you couldn't swap the mouthpiece receiver for a modern one? Would it mean you'd have a wierd gap from mouthpiece reciever to leadpipe?
James! That’s funny, that didn’t occur to me - but probably the mouthpiece fix was a bit simpler and didn’t require me to know anything about the internal dimensions of the leadpipe. My guess is that truncating the mouthpiece like we did has a smaller effect on the playability than switching out the receiver. The other idea I had would be to make a screw backbore with the Besson sized shank end that I could use on any of my screw tops - but the Old Man does the job more than well enough. 😎
If besson shanks are anything like boosey and hawkes shanks a new modern one won't fit just saying. It would need to be modified or changed leadpipe but the sound would then change.
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Absolutely awesome video, Jon. I love how long that 3rd slide pull is. A lot of older instruments without a tuning ring on the 3rd have only a couple inches of movable tubing. And the final result sounds amazing all the way down to that concert D! Thanks for documenting this process!
Thanks, Sam!!! I’m super pleased with how it turned out. Yeah, I was lucky - I didn’t think to take a picture of it before the modifications, but the male slide legs were HILARIOUSLY long on the 3rd slide. And then I told Scott to give me as much movable slide as I could possibly get. 😂😂😂
So happy to see you back at it!
Glad to be back!!! Thanks for your support!
The early Conn Victor cornets had linkages that automatically adjusted the 3 valve slides when switching between B-flat and A. The also had version that came with a set of slide to play in C which gave you 3 keys to chose from. The Cornets were commonly sized in the Conn 2 1/2 bore, which is .465 inches.
Yeah, I've seen that kind of mechanism before - so involved but very impressive when it works well!! Thanks for contributing and for watching!
That old school mouthpiece reminds me of the one that is stuck in my Dad's old Conn bugle. It's my favorite mouthpiece ever. You'd almost think it was made from thick sheet metal instead of a billet with how svelt it is, and the rim is just perfect. Nice sharp throat, too. I really wish modern mouthpieces were more like that.
I know Scott Sweeny! I have my Bass Trombone sent there for repair. Scott is an incredible music repairman!
He’s amazing! Such a diligent, thoughtful, and creative worker.
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@@JonTalksTrumpet it’s odd I watch trumpet stuff as I am a saxophonist lol. I do dabble in the trumpet though.
Well I appreciate your support regardless!!! 😎
I just did a video about a Bb/A cornet that covered the same issue - people playing on the A side for pieces in sharp keys to avoid the C#.
Tech here. Here is how i would address the smell of the instrument.
In my opinion, the source of the smell is the oxidized outer layer of the brass. This can be remedied by polishing the instrument.
Of course, polishing off any sort is a debatable practice in this community, as many techs will simply walk the instrument up to a buffer and remove an unconscionable amount of material.
Instead, I recommend hand-ragging with a product called Flitz. While Flitz does contain an abrasive component (how else would it polish?) I find that it is extremely gentle. It does not leave unsightly scratches like Brasso or Silvo. I put the insrument out the part in a wooden mount in the vise and hand rag with some Flitz on some cheesecloth, then follow up with a dry cheesecloth and finally some soap and water. Does not leave fossilized chunks in the corners like liquid polishes.
If I were in your position, I would test the operation on an old horn you’re not attached to to see if you like the result.
You can get a *stunning* wet mirror finish on raw brass if you want to, or you can brighten it up just slightly and reduce the patina instead of removing it completely. Either way, you can maintain the finish by giving it another polish once or twice a year.
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Thank you!!! Great to be back - I have so much to show you all!!
Have a conn 22b A/Bb also have a king commander cornet that's also A/Bb
I play Middle school trumpet and hate it but this changed my mind
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You can wax raw brass or just clean it with 0000steelwool and handsoap in the 0000 steelwool then wait for new patina (takes about 2 years) edit... YOU CAN NOT DO THIS TO SILVERPLATE IT WILL JUST DESTROY THE SILVERSURFACE, but rawbrass just gets clean if you dont use high preassure.
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Absolutely love what you've done to the instrument Jon, it's looking and sounding brilliant!
Is there a reason why you couldn't swap the mouthpiece receiver for a modern one? Would it mean you'd have a wierd gap from mouthpiece reciever to leadpipe?
James! That’s funny, that didn’t occur to me - but probably the mouthpiece fix was a bit simpler and didn’t require me to know anything about the internal dimensions of the leadpipe. My guess is that truncating the mouthpiece like we did has a smaller effect on the playability than switching out the receiver. The other idea I had would be to make a screw backbore with the Besson sized shank end that I could use on any of my screw tops - but the Old Man does the job more than well enough. 😎
If besson shanks are anything like boosey and hawkes shanks a new modern one won't fit just saying. It would need to be modified or changed leadpipe but the sound would then change.
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