Elrond's Army was not able to reach Eregion as Sauron's Greater Host was able to keep Elrond at Bay and Eregion was devastated. Elrond was able to gather up many survivors and was forced North until making his stand where Imladris would later be founded.
Actually during the seige Sauron comes out and fights with Isildur, Elendil, Gilgalad and Elrond; Sauron kills Elendil and mortally wounds Gilgalad but is beaten up in the process. They pin him down and Isildur cuts the ring off. Your video implies it's more like the sequence in the movies, with Isildur essentially getting lucky.
To be even more accurate: we don't know for sure about Elrond and Isildur involvement in fight against Sauron, and Gilgalad was burned to ashes by Saurons hand, and Elendil was slain in fight, but broke his sword by falling on it. But, most importantly, as you claimed, Isildur cuts the Ring from a "dead" Saurons body
@@iamperplexed4695 I think it is just you. I mean I could understand if you got annoyed if someone get rude about such things, but that was here not the case. People may love the lore of Tolkien or any other franchise and since the videos here follow most of the time the written lore (and not the films) it is not wrong to point out where it got mixed.
@@iamperplexed4695 Well that point I do not understand. I would not call "Actually" a harsh word for example. After all, the people of W&W are professionals and I respect their work very much, but it is not wrong if someone point out if they made a mistake in telling a story: I mean if they would have included a story element from the The Rings of Power, THAN you would have got heated reactions I guess...
Thank you, thank you! Going through tough times, you don't know how much a Tolkien lore video by you lot dropping, cheers me up and let's me escape for a bit! Cheers 🙏🏻❤️🩹
We're in the 2nd Age now ooo. Great video and very thorough, but I feel like the Last Alliance could have used its own video. Can't wait to see Cirdan in RoP S2.
I wish we learned more about the Dwarves involvement in the War of the Last Alliance. In some ways, it was the Last Alliance of Elves, DWARVES and Men, all three people effected by the rings of power, united in defiance of the Lord of the Ruling ring. While never stated, it does seem likely that Durin IV would have been the King of Khazad-Dum and leader of the Longbeard Clan during this time, and I could see him joining forces with Gil-galad and Elendil to face against Sauron. He could have made his way through Dagorlad and the Morannon, helped beseige Barad-Dur, and lost his life alongside the other high rulers in single combat with the Dark Lord on the SLopes of Mount Doom. The Sword of Elendil broken, the Spear of Gil-galad lost, and the Axe of Durin left unwielded until the next incarnation. I would love to see a video covering Dwarven Armies of the second, third and maybe even fourth age!
Tolkien does not say Eregion was founded by a 'belligerant faction'. He says Eregion was founded because mithril was discovered in Khazad-dum: "Later some of the Noldor went to Eregion, upon the west of the Misty Mountains, and near to the West-gate of Moria. This they did because they learned that mithril had been discovered in Moria." LotR, App. B Imladris was founded after Sauron invaded and sacked Eregion. The rings could not be used while Sauron held the One Ring. Aeglos was a spear, not a glaive. The Sindar used the axe. (You are trying to hard to put odd weapons from the archaic Fall of Gondolin story into the Second Age)
@@john-er6or I've commented on some of their other Tolkien related videos pointing out errors. There does seem to be a trend of moving narratives from their place. I.e. in a prior video they took a distinctly Second Age narrative, and put it in the First Age.
Keep in mind that this video covers a time frame of 2000+ years. I our world that would be like the time between Augustus in Rome and Queen Victoria, or even longer. Entire empires rose and fell in that time, but in "Of the Rings of Power and the third age" this is all skipped over as "the dark years."
Sadly this channel isnt up to par with the main one. That or the audience watching this channel have far more depth of knowledge and are more plentiful compared to historical armchair experts. Either way, its hard to watch some videos of this channel 😂😅
@@theawesomeman9821 Just a little against the lore for what Thranduil's people usually fought like, ghosts disappearing into the shadows, striking out and disappearing swiftly.
Alas they also showed up in the Last Alliance and were freaking SLAUGHTERED due to hot headed leadership. Their tactical error is the reason the Dead Marshes are filled with so many corpses.
your videos are awseome bro! i doing videos for silmarilion i cant find any video or doc about battles in first age regarding all races with timeline. do you have that kind of video on your channel?
Even in decline the Elves (with help from Nūmenor and dwarfs, yes) still managed to break past the Black Gate, lay siege to Barad Dur itself, force Sauron into open combat, and even defeat him in single combat. Such is their might...
Great video, but the blue wizards names were Alatar and Pallando, not sure exactly what I called them but it wasn’t there true names , plus gilgalid and Elendil killed Sauron, isildur only cut the ring off the dark lords hand after he had fallen
Actually they are exactly the same exact wizards, in the “The Peoples of Middle-earth” alternate names are given for Alatar and Pallando and those names are Morinehtar and Rómestámo, not sure if this is what you meant by saying more popular version , but by the way u said Alatar and Pallando are older it seemed like you were trying to say they were different wizards altogether , after hearing these names after watching this video the other day I did some research to find out who these wizards were
Silvan elves should always be at the rear for support because they were light armed. And both their king were very sturdy and hard headed stubborn high pride elves! They don't follow military orders that's why death came upon them 😓😩😫
now this explains the stupid Thranduil’s army did in the movie, jump over your wall of dwarven forged spears to face the heavy white orcs of Azog. Fortunately, the Dwarves have the courtesy to not stabbing their back for what they did 😅
Poor Celebrimbor, the guy was all set to cast some light over his Feanorean lineage and in the end he was duped by Sauron.
Elrond's Army was not able to reach Eregion as Sauron's Greater Host was able to keep Elrond at Bay and Eregion was devastated. Elrond was able to gather up many survivors and was forced North until making his stand where Imladris would later be founded.
Actually during the seige Sauron comes out and fights with Isildur, Elendil, Gilgalad and Elrond; Sauron kills Elendil and mortally wounds Gilgalad but is beaten up in the process. They pin him down and Isildur cuts the ring off. Your video implies it's more like the sequence in the movies, with Isildur essentially getting lucky.
To be even more accurate: we don't know for sure about Elrond and Isildur involvement in fight against Sauron, and Gilgalad was burned to ashes by Saurons hand, and Elendil was slain in fight, but broke his sword by falling on it. But, most importantly, as you claimed, Isildur cuts the Ring from a "dead" Saurons body
@@EcthelionoftheFountain725 Yeah, the 'involvement' of Elrond, Cirdan and Isildur read more like acting as seconds in an _honourable_ 2 on 1 duel.
TBH Gil Galad was burned to death by Sauron's hand, Elendil was mortally wounded.
@@iamperplexed4695 I think it is just you. I mean I could understand if you got annoyed if someone get rude about such things, but that was here not the case. People may love the lore of Tolkien or any other franchise and since the videos here follow most of the time the written lore (and not the films) it is not wrong to point out where it got mixed.
@@iamperplexed4695 Well that point I do not understand. I would not call "Actually" a harsh word for example. After all, the people of W&W are professionals and I respect their work very much, but it is not wrong if someone point out if they made a mistake in telling a story: I mean if they would have included a story element from the The Rings of Power, THAN you would have got heated reactions I guess...
Thank you, thank you! Going through tough times, you don't know how much a Tolkien lore video by you lot dropping, cheers me up and let's me escape for a bit! Cheers 🙏🏻❤️🩹
We're in the 2nd Age now ooo. Great video and very thorough, but I feel like the Last Alliance could have used its own video. Can't wait to see Cirdan in RoP S2.
Last alliance is 3rd age.
@@Emanon... No. Last Alliance is at the end of the Second Age.
"3430 The Last Alliance of Elves and Men is formed."
LotR, App. B. ToY, The Second Age
>Cirdan in RoP
Don't.
Dont wait for him, they will butcher his character like so many others
nobody gives a dead dog about this show
I wish we learned more about the Dwarves involvement in the War of the Last Alliance. In some ways, it was the Last Alliance of Elves, DWARVES and Men, all three people effected by the rings of power, united in defiance of the Lord of the Ruling ring. While never stated, it does seem likely that Durin IV would have been the King of Khazad-Dum and leader of the Longbeard Clan during this time, and I could see him joining forces with Gil-galad and Elendil to face against Sauron. He could have made his way through Dagorlad and the Morannon, helped beseige Barad-Dur, and lost his life alongside the other high rulers in single combat with the Dark Lord on the SLopes of Mount Doom. The Sword of Elendil broken, the Spear of Gil-galad lost, and the Axe of Durin left unwielded until the next incarnation. I would love to see a video covering Dwarven Armies of the second, third and maybe even fourth age!
Tolkien does not say Eregion was founded by a 'belligerant faction'. He says Eregion was founded because mithril was discovered in Khazad-dum:
"Later some of the Noldor went to Eregion, upon the west of the Misty Mountains, and near to the West-gate of Moria. This they did because they learned that mithril had been discovered in Moria."
LotR, App. B
Imladris was founded after Sauron invaded and sacked Eregion.
The rings could not be used while Sauron held the One Ring.
Aeglos was a spear, not a glaive.
The Sindar used the axe.
(You are trying to hard to put odd weapons from the archaic Fall of Gondolin story into the Second Age)
There are many inconsistencies unfortunately
So much incorrect information in this video. Haven’t watched any other videos from this channel, are they as incorrect as this video?
@@john-er6or they usually aren't too bad, whoever wrote the script for this one didn't do the right reading though
@@john-er6or I've commented on some of their other Tolkien related videos pointing out errors.
There does seem to be a trend of moving narratives from their place.
I.e. in a prior video they took a distinctly Second Age narrative, and put it in the First Age.
@@john-er6orThey're usually okay I just think the specific script writer for this vid messed up a bit
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The Noldor settled in Forlindon while the Sindar settled Harlindon.
Keep in mind that this video covers a time frame of 2000+ years. I our world that would be like the time between Augustus in Rome and Queen Victoria, or even longer. Entire empires rose and fell in that time, but in "Of the Rings of Power and the third age" this is all skipped over as "the dark years."
Gil galad is last gigachad warrior from elves. Doesn't mean disrespect elrond. But, gilgalad in another level
This documentary had a much better script than Amazon's Rings of Power
Imladris and Eregion were not belligerent forces.. I always wonder why you do things like this regularly. Cause you’re mostly on point
Sadly this channel isnt up to par with the main one.
That or the audience watching this channel have far more depth of knowledge and are more plentiful compared to historical armchair experts. Either way, its hard to watch some videos of this channel 😂😅
The elven host in the hobbit trilogy were far too heavily armed and armored. Altho they looked great
how is that a problem?
@@theawesomeman9821 Just a little against the lore for what Thranduil's people usually fought like, ghosts disappearing into the shadows, striking out and disappearing swiftly.
@spyrofrost9158 That's in Mirk Wood/Green Wood. Not an open battlefield like the battle of five armies was.
@@spyrofrost9158They were capable of fighting in open field battles,The battle of the five armies showed that very well,in the book and the movie.
Alas they also showed up in the Last Alliance and were freaking SLAUGHTERED due to hot headed leadership. Their tactical error is the reason the Dead Marshes are filled with so many corpses.
Nice we’re on the 2nd Age. Great stuff 🧝♂️
I really like the thumbnail orc.
fixing :-)
Love the videos, im hoping you will one day cover the history of world of warcraft.
Thanks For this Guys! Please more GOT videos
Your work on the LotR books is wonderful!⚔🏹🔥🧙🧝
Did you say the names of the Blue Wizards @ 10:16? I didn't know their names were known!
I thought that the Istari arrived from the West around 1000 of the Third Age.
Great work as always
That mean Numenor is next lesgoooooo
Cool video now more Elder scrolls! Thanks
your videos are awseome bro! i doing videos for silmarilion i cant find any video or doc about battles in first age regarding all races with timeline. do you have that kind of video on your channel?
Even in decline the Elves (with help from Nūmenor and dwarfs, yes) still managed to break past the Black Gate, lay siege to Barad Dur itself, force Sauron into open combat, and even defeat him in single combat.
Such is their might...
Will the Ember War Saga by Richard Fox be featured on this channel at some point?
The opening battle scene in LOTR. Elves were badass. Not so much in the battle of five armies. Jumping in front of dwarven pikers,, um no thanks
Is there any plan of more cosmere stuff?
excellent
Awesome
Ever thought about doing the weird fiction of Clark Ashton Smith? He was a correspondent with Lovecraft and Howard.
When comes the Eighty Years wars ? Early Chinese and Korean wars ? German Unifications Wars ? Russo-Swedish war of 1809 ?
At some point, we'll see
Can you make a series about ALT history
100th comment, I agree with others that it's exciting to see Cirdan in the upcoming season 2 of ROP.
that "and Thranduil" @18:37 kind of makes no sense, cheers
He ment to say Thangail which is a type of shield wall formation
Amazing lore video 🌟🌟
Don’t mind me just Waiting for the long ass second age video 🙄
Also likely when the Ent Wives were burned alive by Sauron. Thankfully they had long since taught Halflings agriculture.
Tyranids!
Yesssss!!!!!
Great video, but the blue wizards names were Alatar and Pallando, not sure exactly what I called them but it wasn’t there true names , plus gilgalid and Elendil killed Sauron, isildur only cut the ring off the dark lords hand after he had fallen
Altar and Pallando are older, more popular versions of Morienthar and Romestano
Actually they are exactly the same exact wizards, in the “The Peoples of Middle-earth” alternate names are given for Alatar and Pallando and those names are Morinehtar and Rómestámo, not sure if this is what you meant by saying more popular version , but by the way u said Alatar and Pallando are older it seemed like you were trying to say they were different wizards altogether , after hearing these names after watching this video the other day I did some research to find out who these wizards were
@@NickHuizenga-j2u He meant the names are older. As in from earlier drafts
Ok I wondered if that what he meant or if he was implying they were older and other wizards thanks for clearing that up sir
@@kramhorse Thank you, that's exactly what I meant. Sorry for any misunderstandings.
Sure could use some of that Unity in the face of evil in the modern day.
Silvan elves should always be at the rear for support because they were light armed. And both their king were very sturdy and hard headed stubborn high pride elves! They don't follow military orders that's why death came upon them 😓😩😫
Please do more elder scrolls videos!!
👍👍
Ok Ive gotta ask. Where is this guys accent from? I have never heard anything like it before
Tbh I don't think anyone knows lol its an insanely unique accent
now this explains the stupid Thranduil’s army did in the movie, jump over your wall of dwarven forged spears to face the heavy white orcs of Azog. Fortunately, the Dwarves have the courtesy to not stabbing their back for what they did 😅
Who is this CIRYATUR guy😅
Pretty good, but the narrator is unnecessarily robotic lol
There was only eleven armies?
Oh, never mind...
🙂👍
Second age elves were actually competent.
69 views? Nice
I like the fact the official channel liked this comment. Nice. ;-)
Wizards... instigating uprisings..... in the East.....in the 2nd age..... and i assume they arrived there with the aid of a time machine?
It is drawn from a late narrative from Tolkien where the Blue Wizards arrive mid Second Age.
@@Tar-Elenion canonicity of that statement is dubious at best.
@@ilejovcevski79 What Tolkien wrote is canon.
What Tolkien did not write is not canon.
@@Tar-Elenion so, history of Middle Earth, part I, does not contradict the Silmarillion? That is a better world, i wish i could live in it.
@@ilejovcevski79 I did not mention anything about contradictions.
Just that what Tolkien wrote is canon.
Oropher should have waited for Galadriel's cavalry charge
For the Dark Lord Morgoth and his servant Sauron!
Morgoth killed my dad!
@@mauricedixon6063I see you Fëanor
@@mauricedixon6063 Well I guess for you that was the most important day of life. For Morgoth, it was just Tuesday...
Bruh
and where is captain KIRK? Star Trek are nothing without him
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