Necrotic Nick- I've actually been jamming some of their stuff here lately because so many people brought them up in the last one. I jammed most of Cop the other day and that album is viciously dark as hell and definitely heavy. I might wait till I snag some of their albums before including them in one of these because I try to jam as much as I can by these bands in terms of their heavier material for these videos.
Agreed with Swans. The song Half Life sounds like something Godflesh would have wrote, 5 years later. Even Children of God is dark, brooding, and heavy.
Loved this video! Butthole Surfers are incredibly interesting. Also loved you brought up NIN. Broken is one of the heaviest things I’ve ever heard. A couple bands to bring up for the next video are Sisters Of Mercy, Skinny Puppy, Jesus Lizard and Christian Death
Necrotic Nick- Thanks, man! Butthole Surfers have to be one of the most unique bands to have ever existed. I had NIN in the list for the first one but I decided to save it for when I brought up Tool and also I wanted to tie them in with Filter as well. Most of the one's you mentioned are on the list actually as well as a ton more. I keep adding stuff too.
I'll throw in Linkin Park. They definitely were in the nu metal category early on in their career. Also, 1:09:53, the singer for Sugar Ray, Mark McGrath, did a duet with a non-metal favorite of mine, Canadian female country-pop icon SHANIA TWAIN, which was the song "Party for Two"!
I don’t think Linkin Park was ever a metal band, even in their early days. Musically, they always sounded closer to Foo Fighters than Slipknot or Korn to me.
@@JustAnotherHeavyMetalManiac And their last album was pop-oriented and it sucked. And it was so bad that Chester Bennington ended his life afterwards.
One band that I’d like to hear people’s thoughts on is Nomeansno. Pretty firmly rooted in punk and noise rock type stuff but they would expand their sound and make it their own, often incorporating prog and longer song structures later in their career. Songs like The River (and others off their Mr Happy album), Dance of the Headless Bourgosie, and songs off their One album have these long, heavy dirges that remind me of slower shades of metal. But kinda like Primus they use so many different styles it’s hard to call their music one thing. Edit: forgot to mention the song Brother Rat/What Slayde Says, one of their most metal songs and a personal favorite of mine
@@superunknown2812Wrong is absolutely timeless, sounds like it could’ve dropped yesterday and still be ahead of the curve. I may just ever so slightly prefer 0 + 2 = 1 however
Necrotic Nick- Honestly, I don't think I've ever jammed Nomeansno. I want to say I've heard of them when talking about bands like Today is the Day and Unsane with people but I don't think I've ever sat down with one of their albums so that's one I may add to the list at some point.
@@thrallsofmetalsecond checking out Wrong, it’s their most popular and acclaimed album for a reason imo. Their work with Andy Kerr is my favorite because of his buzz saw guitar tone but you can’t go wrong with any of their albums! They’re all about to be reissued on Alternative Tentacles in May too
Clutch is a great pick. Their sound is so unique and I think that’s why they stand out and have staying power. Looking forward to seeing them live again coming up this week.
Another great video Nick. Some bands I would include for part 3; Soundgarden - they got lumped in with grunge, they have songs that are punk, blues rock and flat out doom metal songs Skinny Puppy - another industrial band with metallic elements. They also sampled Slayer like KMFDM Stabbing Westward - not metal overall, but they have some songs that are heavy as balls Ghost - I don’t think these guys are remotely metal. To me, they’re just gothic pop rock, but millions of people are convinced they’re a metal band, so it would be interesting to see you cover them. Lucifer - similar to Ghost, but heavier, less poppy and darker. Still not 100% if it’s metal or hard rock though Mötorhead - this might seem strange, but Lemmy always said they were a rock n roll band, and truth be told, they’re a bit all over the place. They have speed metal songs, punk songs and just hard rock songs. I think they’re metal, but some people don’t (like Lemmy himself) A lot of classic rock bands get labeled metal, so you could talk about them in part 3 also; Van Halen Led Zeppelin AC/DC Rush Deep Purple
Necrotic Nick- Thanks, man! I've actually already started the groundwork for the next part. It'll be awhile before I get to it but I do want to focus on some 70's bands in this next one for sure.
Yup, I'm back with more walls of text. Tool is definitely a tough one. I personally have them in my Alternative Metal group for my music library, but I recognize that that isn't the greatest description of what they do. I do agree that their earlier stuff is very metal, but as they went on, they definitely drifted into psychedelic territory, with some King Crimson mixed in. I do think that Alternative Prog or Alternative Psych Metal might work for them, but they definitely hard to label. Certainly heavy, but their metal-ness is debatable, especially later on. I admit I don't have much to say when it comes to Industrial and Stoner Metal, largely because I haven't spent enough time in those genres. However, I don't question their metal inclusion. I like Epic Doom, and I know that stoner stuff gets close to that style, largely because of their mutual roots in Black Sabbath (like you said). As for Industrial, I am curious, especially since I'm a fan of EDM (especially 90s stuff), but I'm not interested in suggestive or angsty lyrics, which makes it hard to find something to start with. (I did like Die Krupps Metallica cover album, though, at least as a novelty.) I haven't listened to Sugar Ray (except hearing "Fly" at some point), but I had heard they switched hard from metal to pop. However, if that single made them big, I suppose it makes sense they would follow that gravy train. It comes down to what they value, in the end. I do like these videos, though, as not only do they promote some interesting discussions, but it also shows just how influential metal was in general. Sure, they are plenty bands who sit safely in the metal category, but as time goes on, folks will experiment on their musical canvases, and metal is a distinct brush to paint with. Even if it feels like metal is its own niche these days, it's influence and impact on music is still felt to this day. Though I have to wonder how many more bands could be considered and how deep Nick will go! On part 5, will he bring up Babymetal? (Just kidding.) :P
Necrotic Nick- Yeah, Tool might have been the toughest to argue as to their "metal status". The alt metal tag does kinda work with them just because it's harder to classify anywhere else especially with that proggy shift on Aenima. There's a bit of a distinction between stoner metal and stoner rock that I think can be made but often most of it gets thrown under the stoner metal banner. Doom metal in general feels more firmly rooted in metal though. Industrial metal/ industrial in general is an interesting one because while it's definitely it's own thing when the guitars start get involved it becomes way more metallic sounding. Actually Die Krupps might be one of the bands I may include in a later one since at one time Lee Altus of Heathen & Exodus was in the band supplying the riffs. Early Sugar Ray is definitely fun but I totally get why they sold out even if I don't like it. Yeah, these videos are a lot of fun and the first one really got the comments going in terms of solid discussion. I like bands that blur the boundaries for the most part. Generally they stir up a lot of fun debates. I'm already working on a follow up so there's definitely going to be more. I'm glad you're digging the series, man!
Screaming Tree is a band that I like to mix up often with my metal menu and in fact I'm surprised they are not bigger cause they're very easy on the ear
Im a big fan of stoner rock and metal myself. I would say Fu Manchu and Truckfighters are two of my favorites. Also, I feel like Quicksand would be a good one for this, there earlier albums are pretty heavy sounding. Would you consider noise rock or noise in general to fit the criteria? Stuff like Lightning Bolt, Daughters or Merzbow? And I like the blues rock vibes of Clutch, would love to see them live next time they come to Michigan, they remind me of a band I like called Morphine. Sorry for the long post. Love the videos you guys do!
Great choices once again! These are some other bands I thought of that might fit in this category (also sorry if this is long): Tomahawk - One of Mike Patton's side projects/supergroups with Duane Denison, John Stanier, and Kevin Rutmanis (who later got replaced by Trevor Dunn). Borders a lot between alternative rock/alternative metal with post-hardcore influences, and other weird experiments throughout their discography (namely Anonymous which is a weird Native American-inspired rock/folk record). The self-titled and Mit Gas records are my favorites. Thought Industry - Pretty underrated and ahead of their time, they started off as a prog/tech thrash band with a lot of avant-garde and funky experiments with post-hardcore and alternative rock influences (first two albums). I still need to hear their later records admittedly but they later on went fully into an alternative rock sound. Disharmonic Orchestra - Another example of a band that sounded completely different with every album release. Started off as a straight up deathgrind band, then went into avant-garde/progressive metal, than switched gears into an alternative metal/post-hardcore sound (Pleasuredome), and then added some industrial elements into the mix (Ahead). I still need to hear their 2016 album Fear of Angst, but this band definitely bridged the gap many times throughout their discography. Embodyment - These guys are pretty unknown but man, talk about a band that started off as metal and didn't stick to it. They started off as straight up brutal death metal (Suffocation worship) with their early demos and then went into a proto-deathcore sound (Embrace the Eternal). They then switched gears entirely with a different vocalist into alt rock/post-hxc/nu metal, then leaned fully into alt rock. Bad Brains - Legendary hardcore punk band with reggae/dub influences, that later shifted into a punky alternative/funk metal sound. Admittedly, gotta get into these guys more but they were definitely influential to the hardcore punk and alternative metal scenes. I Against I and Quickness are probably my favorites so far. Pitchshifter - Started off as Godflesh worship, but then eventually evolved into an industrial/nu metal sound with alt rock influences. I'm also gonna reiterate NoMeansNo, even though I brought them up in the last video and another commenter mentioned them. I also think Fugazi and Refused could qualify for this category.
Necrotic Nick- There's some solid ones here. I already have Bad Brains, Refused, Fugazi and Tomahawk on the list. I still need to check out Nomeansno. I no that Embodyment, Pitchshifter and Thought Industry started off metal as fuck (I got some albums from each) but I think their earlier works put them more firmly in the metal camp than some of the others. They might be interesting to bring up though.
@@thrallsofmetal Yeah I might've actually been reaching a bit with Pitchshifter, now that I think of it they're pretty metal. I thought Embodyment would've been interesting since they are similar to Cave In in the fact they started off pretty metal and then abruptly changed styles.
Wasnt expecting a Pablo Honey mention on this vid 😂 (Radiohead are my favourite non-metal band)! Great summaries as always. Never knew about Sugar Ray, will have to try their first two! Downward Spiral and Songs for the Deaf were two important gateway albums for me into metal for sure. Also I've never really considered Tool metal, more in that heavy alt rock sound but with some added prog
Also interested if Sum 41 may get a mention 😉 - Chuck is definitely an interesting listen and Pain for Pleasure definitely channeled some Priest and Motley Crue
Necrotic Nick- Thanks, man! I'm a pretty big Radiohead fan as well but yeah, that one Fudge Tunnel song really had some early Radiohead vibes to it. Yeah, most people I've talked to have no idea that Sugar Ray used to be heavy and I totally get why. The Downward Spiral was a huge album for me when I was in high school in the 90's and Songs for the Deaf was the album that made me a huge fan of QOTSA. I liked the first 2 but Songs for the Deaf just rips. Tool is kinda their own thing and it's one those where the early stuff could be argued as being more metal but the later stuff put them in the on their own little island. I'm still not sure what consider them honestly. Sum 41 is one I might bring up later just because Chuck is a decidedly more metal album and the Pain for Pleasure thing was definitely done as tribute to their more metal side.
I love Clutch, ive seen em Live a bunch of times and they always bring it. Neil Fallon is a great Frontman too. Defo not really metal, but in their own words its just Pure Rock Fury! TAD are a band similar to Melvins, as in its crushingly heavy but not quite metal. Their Debut Gods Balls is killer!
Necrotic Nick- Same here. One of my favorite flat out rock bands ever honestly. Neil has such a commanding vocal presence both live and on the albums. The early stuff I think you can make an argument for being kinda metal but the S/T definitely pushed them into more rock territory and I'm totally fine with that. I've actually been jamming some of Tad's albums and I added them to the list. I might wait till I have some of their albums before throwing them on a video but they'll definitely get brought up at some point.
If another episode of this comes out i would love to see Steel Pole Bath Tub show up. They were a band that was around from the late 80's to the early 00's and most people would just call them noise rock but there's definitely a metal feel. I recommend the albums Lurch and The Miracle of Sound in Motion, especially Lurch. Whenever I listen to that album I definitely hear a sludge metal and hardcore punk feel. No one really talks about this band so it would to see.
Necrotic Nick- I've never heard of that band to be honest but that's cool because it gives me yet another band to check out. Honestly, that description of sludge and hardcore blending already makes me think of Will Haven and I'm a big fan of them.
Queens of the Stone Age was always one that I had a strange view on. I definitely think that Songs for the Deaf is a metal album because of the title track but the rest of their output is more of an alt rock type of sound. I dunno but that’s always been how I saw them
Necrotic Nick- Honestly, I'm the same way. They have heavier moments but when it came down to being a "metal" band it was kind of a square peg/ round hole thing. The moniker never fit but the music dig have a slightly dark, heavier edge that still garnered some metalhead fans.
I'm going to throw in Incubus. My reasoning is some people have lumped them into the Nu-Metal category but I personally cannot find a single cord or riff in any of their albums that I would consider to be metal. I've always thought of them as simply an alternative rock back. Some of their older stuff like Science and Make Yourself definitely had some faster and more aggressive tunes than the average alternative band, but I still don't believe any of it is metal. I'm curious to know everyone's thoughts on that.
Necrotic Nick- Honestly, they're on my list as well. I still love S.C.I.E.N.C.E. a lot actually. I think they just got lumped in the nu metal pack just because they had a DJ but honestly I thought they were closer to a lot of the funk rock/ metal early on like Infectious Grooves and Red Hot Chili Peppers. I think Make Yourself was definitely a big shift to more straight up commercial rock overall but it still wasn't band.
Cave In' antenna album, I think, is one of the most underrated albums of the last 25 years. Heavy, melodic and cleanly sung vocals throughout. Was one of the top albums on end of the year lists in kerrang magazine in 2003 if I remember 😊
Necrotic Nick- I think it's decent but it still doesn't click with me as much as the others do. It's got some killer tracks on it but it just feels like a more uneven version of Jupiter to me.
KMFDM is a band that I would say has industrial metal albums but overall not a metal band. Angst I would comfortably call a metal album. There is a straight up thrash song on Tohuvabahu "Saft und Kraft". I would highly recommend that album and Hau Ruck. Great albums. One of my favorite bands.
Necrotic Nick- I would argue that as well especially with that 3 album run of Angst, Nihil and Xtort. The riff work feels way more in the forefront on those in particular versus the electronic elements. Honestly, it's mostly the electronic drums that give it their more industrial sound while riffs feel way more thrashy on that one. I own both of those and they're both pretty solid. Salt Und Kraft is honestly my favorite track on Tohuvabahu. The MDFMK album also has some bangers on it like Rabblerouser too.
You nailed NIN dude. They're not a metal band; however, Broken is an all time Industrial metal classic. The CD was so cool I remember buying it new. It was one of the cool new paper ones and not the plastic ones that cracked. Artwork was trippy af. This album from cover to cover is metal, but I do think it's their only one that's "metal". Good shit bro love it. Them Crooked Vultures is the best non metal-metal album of all time. Fight me. 😅
Necrotic Nick- Thanks, man! Yeah, Broken and The Downward Spiral were pretty huge for me as a teen and being into metal by the time I really got into NIN kinda helped because those vicious guitars on Broken really spoke to me. Them Crooked Vultures is a killer album too.
Necrotic Nick- I'm really not familiar with any of those honestly which is cool because it gives more to look into. Thanks for the recommendations, man!
Necrotic Nick- Yeah, I was a bit hesitant about throwing them on but those first two albums are pretty damn solid and honestly it's a band that you wouldn't expect to have heavier songs unless you've been listening to them for awhile.
Hey Nick, I’m glad that you dig Butthole Surfers, my favorite band since the mid 80s. You have to check out their 1987 album “Hairway to Steven.” The opening track will blow your mind and the album cover scared my buddy because it looked like his bad acid experiences.
Necrotic Nick- Yeah, that video for Who Was in My Room Last Night put me on the path years ago. I still need to dive into more of their stuff and I've heard Hairway to Steven is a big fan favorite. I can see where you buddy is coming from on that album cover. I'm pretty sure I've seen shit like that on my "cosmic adventures" over the years lol.
I always wondered about bands like The Prodigy or Chemical Brothers. They are clearly not metal, but these bands has the attitude of metal and many metal friends of mine include myself also are into these bands.
Necrotic Nick- I don't think I've ever jammed Eric Gales or stick but King's X and Orange 9mm are both on the list for sure. I'm a long time fan of Orange 9mm in particular.
@@thrallsofmetal Stick was kinda like grungy sound but good, Eric Gales is blues but with heavy riffing, seen Orange 9mm bunch of times back in the day, also another mention would be Galactic Cowboys
I’ve had the Clutch debate a few times with mates. Always a fun one. I don’t consider it metal, but I do consider the self titled and Blast Tyrant as mandatory listening. Fucking great band that deserves more love
Necrotic Nick- Same here. I've always called them rock's best kept secret and a rock band that can hold its own on a metal bill. I love most of their stuff but Blast Tyrant, S/T and Earth Rocker I consider must listens.
I'm going to chime in and say "Robot Hive/Exodus" is must listen as well. The album really showcases many of Clutches different influences. So much groove and funk. Clutch were on fire at that point releasing Blast Tyrant and Robot Hive a year a part from each other. Those were the two albums that made me a Clutch fan for life.
Alice Cooper's Kane Roberts era is quite metal-ish. 'Raise Your Fist and Yell' is my all-time favourite AC album, and nothing will ever change that! If Clutch had continued with their early sound (up to 'Transnational Speedway League'), they would be listen on Metal Archives.
Necrotic Nick- I don't own much Alice Cooper but that's one I wouldn't mind covering as some point in one of these. I love Clutch pretty much across the board but that early stuff is pretty damn heavy and I think they might have been in the Archives as well if they stuck with that sound.
Love me some Clutch! Last time i saw them they had Helmet and Quicksand open for them. Neil is a genius. Who else could memorize all those lyrics...and write them? Their heavy stuff is great. Their bluesy stuff is great. A few favorites: Nero's fiddle, x-ray visions, Big news 1&2, The Regulator...just so many incredible songs! I tried to make a Clutch playlist. It turned into 4 playlists. I like a little bit of Tool. 3rd Eye is my favorite song. Undertow was my introduction as well. Remember Fudge Tunnel had a video on MTV in the early 90s called "Grey" So i bought Creep Diets on cassette. Bought Nailbombs albums after that because it was Alex from Fudgetunnel and Max from Sepultura!!! I like a wide variety of stuff. NIN was a big part of my youth as well. Broken was the best! Godflesh, Ministry, Prong...had Radioheads first album. "You" is still a favorite song. Melvins, Faith no more, 3rd and The mortal, Skinny Puppy, Dig, Paw, Filter, In The Woods, Primus...once had a large music collection. Cool video Nick. Could talk music all day! Im a slow texter though 😁 cheers ☕ rock on 🤘
Necrotic Nick- Same here, man! I've been a huge fan since I was teen and I still love those dudes. Hell that lst one they dropped was killer too. Neil's lyrics are strangely poetic and possibly only outmatched by his huge voice. There's too many incredible Clutch songs to name honestly and they keep adding to them. I got into Tool with Undertow as well but Aenima made me an even bigger fan. I jammed that album so damn much as a teen. Fudge Tunnel's The Complicated Futility of Ignorance was a blind buy when I was teen. I honestly didn't follow up on that album until years later with Creep Diets and Hate Songs in E Minor but I dig those as well. I jammed a ton of industrial stuff as teen as well so NIN, Ministry, KMFDM, Die Krupps and Front Line Assembly were always in heavy rotation. I'm glad you dig the video, man. This was a lot of fun to make honestly and I'm looking forward to doing more in the future. There's still a ton of bands I want to cover with this series.
Let’s start with Filter, love short bus. Easily one of my favorite albums of the 90s. I still jam that shit all the time. Dose, Under, Spent, Consider This are top tier 90s songs! I got to see Butthole Surfers live in 2009 or 2010 (can’t remember) when they reunited with the og lineup. Needless to say it was incredible, but only played older songs Hairway to Steven (personal favorite) and before. Definitely check out the older albums they are absolute madness. I actually kinda love the first Sugar Ray album Lemonade and Brownies, I know I know. It’s got some awesome riffs, has a lot of high energy and I think Mark’s vocals aren’t bad here. Guilty as charged, second album is ok I really liked it in my adolescence anyway.
Necrotic Nick- Same here, man! I wore out my original copy of Short Bus to the point it wouldn't even play anymore. Beavis & Butthead introduced me to a ton of cool bands and the video for Who Was in My Room Last Night never left my memory. The song was wild as hell and Gibby was such an interesting front man. I still need to hunt down more by them. Honestly, the first 2 Sugar Ray albums are fun. I still hate Fly but pretty much everything else on Floored is killer and Lemonade & Brownies is just dumb, riffy fun. It might be slightly more mature than a Bloodhound Gang album but not by much lol.
Tool is still a big puzzle for me, even though I've been a fan of the band for a long time, it's impossible to fit them into just one genre, even though the band has a more "prog" direction, there's still a lot of ambiguity and subjectivity, especially in many of the lyrics as well. I would say that Lateralus is the "heaviest" album of the band, Adam Jones did a unique job on the riffs on this album, especially on "Parabola". Even though Danny Carey has already said: "We're not a metal band". He probably influenced a lot of progressive metal drummers hehe
Necrotic Nick- "I know the pieces fit..." Sorry, I saw puzzle and I just had to lol. Yeah, out of most of the bands I've brought up Tool is definitely one of the hardest ones to lump in one particular subset especially with their proggier material later on. Bands like them are honestly the reason I wanted to do some videos around this subject because they fit the definition of a band that is heavy but not necessarily metal.
Hey, Nick i recommend Siege, proboably the heaviest punk band of early 80's. They are "Regarded as one of the pioneers of the grindcore and powerviolence subgenres" also Dropdead is a cool powerviolence band
Thanks again, Nick. I know one day you’re going to go over the Jesus Lizard. BTW, talking of bands that started off as metal and then abandoned it, what about Ulver? I don’t think you went over them in the first installment did you? They pretty much perfected a certain kind of vicious, trebly, cold AF black metal, and then just abandoned it for art- pop. Very odd. Still missed by black metal fans because their black metal was SO good.
Necrotic Nick- Hey! Thank you for checking out the video! I've gone back and jammed some of their stuff again (as well as some Swans and Tad) and they're definitely a band I want to bring up. I might wait to bring up those bands until I have some of their stuff in my collection though. I only have one Ulver album and I really haven't listened to much of their stuff. It's a band I've been meaning to get more stuff by for years but I keep forgetting to keep an eye out for their stuff. There's definitely going to more of these videos in the future so these bands will definitely get brought up at some point.
@@JustAnotherHeavyMetalManiac They are indeed. It’s so weird how they then completely abandoned metal. It’s like those albums were some kind of examination they set themselves, to create the perfect black metal. Once done, they were no longer interested. Very odd.
@@thrallsofmetal I’m totally sure you’ll love the other black metal stuff you haven’t jammed so far. To be fair, I’ve hardly listened to their later stuff.
@@jmalinjapan7786 They did depart from black metal on their second album, but it was still awesome. They always had folk music in their sound so it almost felt like a natural progression. If they abandoned black metal for folk, that would make sense and I would probably be onboard. It’s so strange how they evolved
My dad showed me Clutch and I love their music now, but I definitely don’t think they’re exactly Metal But as one person would say is “it’s not metal but heavier than most metal then” and I would have to agree with that one person lol.
Necrotic Nick- Honestly, while I wouldn't consider Clutch metal they exude a ton of energy that would even rival that of a lot of metal bands. Your dad is clearly a man of exquisite tastes.
Vision of Disorder with Clutch?!?! 🔥 very cool. Don't hear about them much but I love Tim Williams vocals in VOD and Bloodsimple. Discovered VOD back in the Morpheus and Kazaa days. Been a big fan ever since. Imprint and The Cursed Remain Cursed my fav albums from VOD. And if anyone wants a taste of Bloodsimple, check out the song "Ride With Me".🤘 🚪🚪🚪
On Tool: for me, Undertow, Ænema, and Lateralus are really all I'd revisit at this point and I'd pry have to be on LSD so I can fully appreciate Maynard's vocal production. Once I listened to Tool on LSD, listening to them sober is lame. Lots of intricate subtleties in Tool that literally require psychedelic intoxication to notice/experience. 10k Days has couple of bangers, but the "tool formula" just doesn't have many ingredients, leading to many songs containing the exact same soundscapes and rhythms. If you've heard the albums I listed you've heard all the tool ya need to have experienced everything they have to offer. In my opinion. Shoutout to A Perfect Circle album Mer De Noms. Greeeaaatttt genre bending album. Dark and emotional, psychedelic as hell. Still one of my all time favs.
Necrotic Nick- Yep. That was my first Clutch show and it was a hell of an experience. I got to take my little sister with me to that one and we both got to meet Neil outside the venue. Vision of Order had a sick set too. They were touring on From Bliss to Devastation which is far from my favorite album by them but they played a lot of earlier material too. Imprint is still one of my go to hardcore albums from the 90's. Jon is a giant fan of that one as well too. I have both Bloodsimple albums as well. I thought they were decent but when VOD resurfaced I kinda forgot about them.
Necrotic Nick- I'm actually not familiar with that one. I'm still getting a ton of suggestions from the comments and checking out a lot of bands I honestly have never sat down and jammed so I'll add this one to the list. Thanks for the recommendation, man!
Necrotic Nick- I try to keep up with as many comments as I can. Taking to our fans is honestly yet another really cool thing about this RUclips thing. That's an interesting connection to 2 bands I like so I may have to check that one out.
Necrotic Nick- I don't know. I always felt comfortable with calling at least their first 2 nu metal albums but the rest is definitely more rock oriented. I might bring them up at some point in the future.
Butthole Surfers got some really heavy stuff like Graveyard, Sweat Loaf (Black Sabbath inspired song) , The O-Men(according to legend, this track was inspired after The BHS saw the metal band Omen while tripping acid)…..
Necrotic Nick- Agreed. Sweet Loaf was a big standout for me one Locust Abortion Technician. I didn't know about the story with The O-Men but it does make a lot of sense lol. Those dudes were wild as hell.
@@thrallsofmetal alice in chains are on there too but I could at least understand how but soundgarden being there just fucking confuses the hell out of me. Also how tf is rush on there??????
I would recommend hairway to Steven and electric larryland by the surfers... really For a next Episode id like to see the gaye bykers on acid and Pop will eat itself or what about sisters of mercy?
Necrotic Nick- I legit have never hear of Gaye Bykers on Acid lol. That is totally new to me and I kinda want to check them out on the name alone lol. Pop Will Eat Itself might show up and Sisters of Mercy is already on the list for sure.
@@thrallsofmetal ok, yes gaye bykers are absolutely worth a deep dive. They made a movie called Drill your own hole. Their Videoclips put in context. They had a side project called lesbian dopeheads on mopeds........ would really love to hear what you think of em👍👍
I think swans should up for discussion. They were definitely influential to a lot of metal bands and had a dark depressing sound to them.
Oh yeah. Filth, Cop, and the Public Castration is a Good Idea live album are very proto-sludge
Not metal, but brutally heavy
Necrotic Nick- I've actually been jamming some of their stuff here lately because so many people brought them up in the last one. I jammed most of Cop the other day and that album is viciously dark as hell and definitely heavy. I might wait till I snag some of their albums before including them in one of these because I try to jam as much as I can by these bands in terms of their heavier material for these videos.
Agreed with Swans. The song Half Life sounds like something Godflesh would have wrote, 5 years later. Even Children of God is dark, brooding, and heavy.
Great to see you start with Clutch ….I love their early stuff …their new material is pretty cool too
Love the content, Would you guys do a Mortician album ranking?
Necrotic Nick- Thanks, man! At some point I'd love to do Mortician in the future.
All grunge bands kind of ride that line of blues/rock/metal and punk.
Loved this video! Butthole Surfers are incredibly interesting. Also loved you brought up NIN. Broken is one of the heaviest things I’ve ever heard. A couple bands to bring up for the next video are Sisters Of Mercy, Skinny Puppy, Jesus Lizard and Christian Death
Necrotic Nick- Thanks, man! Butthole Surfers have to be one of the most unique bands to have ever existed. I had NIN in the list for the first one but I decided to save it for when I brought up Tool and also I wanted to tie them in with Filter as well. Most of the one's you mentioned are on the list actually as well as a ton more. I keep adding stuff too.
Nick I just listened to Short Bus at the gym. Man that is such an underrated album
Necrotic Nick- I still love the shit out of that one.
I'll throw in Linkin Park. They definitely were in the nu metal category early on in their career.
Also, 1:09:53, the singer for Sugar Ray, Mark McGrath, did a duet with a non-metal favorite of mine, Canadian female country-pop icon SHANIA TWAIN, which was the song "Party for Two"!
I don’t think Linkin Park was ever a metal band, even in their early days. Musically, they always sounded closer to Foo Fighters than Slipknot or Korn to me.
@@JustAnotherHeavyMetalManiac And their last album was pop-oriented and it sucked. And it was so bad that Chester Bennington ended his life afterwards.
B*tthole Surfers I actually saw with TAD and Nirvana in Washington state just before Curt’s death. What a show!
Necrotic Nick- Damn. I can only imagine how wild that show got.
Tad rules…Inhaler is such an underrated album
One band that I’d like to hear people’s thoughts on is Nomeansno. Pretty firmly rooted in punk and noise rock type stuff but they would expand their sound and make it their own, often incorporating prog and longer song structures later in their career. Songs like The River (and others off their Mr Happy album), Dance of the Headless Bourgosie, and songs off their One album have these long, heavy dirges that remind me of slower shades of metal. But kinda like Primus they use so many different styles it’s hard to call their music one thing.
Edit: forgot to mention the song Brother Rat/What Slayde Says, one of their most metal songs and a personal favorite of mine
No Means No Wrong is a killer album
@@superunknown2812Wrong is absolutely timeless, sounds like it could’ve dropped yesterday and still be ahead of the curve. I may just ever so slightly prefer 0 + 2 = 1 however
Necrotic Nick- Honestly, I don't think I've ever jammed Nomeansno. I want to say I've heard of them when talking about bands like Today is the Day and Unsane with people but I don't think I've ever sat down with one of their albums so that's one I may add to the list at some point.
@@thrallsofmetal think you should give No means No Wrong album a go think you'll dig it
@@thrallsofmetalsecond checking out Wrong, it’s their most popular and acclaimed album for a reason imo. Their work with Andy Kerr is my favorite because of his buzz saw guitar tone but you can’t go wrong with any of their albums! They’re all about to be reissued on Alternative Tentacles in May too
Once again, love this idea! Most of these bands I would classify as heavy alternative, but some definitely make the hardcore/metal grade. Great video.
Necrotic Nick- Thanks, man! Yeah, these have been a lot of fun and I'm already laying down the groundwork for a part 3 in the future.
Clutch is a great pick. Their sound is so unique and I think that’s why they stand out and have staying power. Looking forward to seeing them live again coming up this week.
Love their album Blast Tyrant
Another great video Nick. Some bands I would include for part 3;
Soundgarden - they got lumped in with grunge, they have songs that are punk, blues rock and flat out doom metal songs
Skinny Puppy - another industrial band with metallic elements. They also sampled Slayer like KMFDM
Stabbing Westward - not metal overall, but they have some songs that are heavy as balls
Ghost - I don’t think these guys are remotely metal. To me, they’re just gothic pop rock, but millions of people are convinced they’re a metal band, so it would be interesting to see you cover them.
Lucifer - similar to Ghost, but heavier, less poppy and darker. Still not 100% if it’s metal or hard rock though
Mötorhead - this might seem strange, but Lemmy always said they were a rock n roll band, and truth be told, they’re a bit all over the place. They have speed metal songs, punk songs and just hard rock songs. I think they’re metal, but some people don’t (like Lemmy himself)
A lot of classic rock bands get labeled metal, so you could talk about them in part 3 also;
Van Halen
Led Zeppelin
AC/DC
Rush
Deep Purple
Necrotic Nick- Thanks, man! I've actually already started the groundwork for the next part. It'll be awhile before I get to it but I do want to focus on some 70's bands in this next one for sure.
Yup, I'm back with more walls of text.
Tool is definitely a tough one. I personally have them in my Alternative Metal group for my music library, but I recognize that that isn't the greatest description of what they do. I do agree that their earlier stuff is very metal, but as they went on, they definitely drifted into psychedelic territory, with some King Crimson mixed in. I do think that Alternative Prog or Alternative Psych Metal might work for them, but they definitely hard to label. Certainly heavy, but their metal-ness is debatable, especially later on.
I admit I don't have much to say when it comes to Industrial and Stoner Metal, largely because I haven't spent enough time in those genres. However, I don't question their metal inclusion. I like Epic Doom, and I know that stoner stuff gets close to that style, largely because of their mutual roots in Black Sabbath (like you said). As for Industrial, I am curious, especially since I'm a fan of EDM (especially 90s stuff), but I'm not interested in suggestive or angsty lyrics, which makes it hard to find something to start with. (I did like Die Krupps Metallica cover album, though, at least as a novelty.)
I haven't listened to Sugar Ray (except hearing "Fly" at some point), but I had heard they switched hard from metal to pop. However, if that single made them big, I suppose it makes sense they would follow that gravy train. It comes down to what they value, in the end.
I do like these videos, though, as not only do they promote some interesting discussions, but it also shows just how influential metal was in general. Sure, they are plenty bands who sit safely in the metal category, but as time goes on, folks will experiment on their musical canvases, and metal is a distinct brush to paint with. Even if it feels like metal is its own niche these days, it's influence and impact on music is still felt to this day.
Though I have to wonder how many more bands could be considered and how deep Nick will go! On part 5, will he bring up Babymetal? (Just kidding.) :P
Necrotic Nick- Yeah, Tool might have been the toughest to argue as to their "metal status". The alt metal tag does kinda work with them just because it's harder to classify anywhere else especially with that proggy shift on Aenima. There's a bit of a distinction between stoner metal and stoner rock that I think can be made but often most of it gets thrown under the stoner metal banner. Doom metal in general feels more firmly rooted in metal though. Industrial metal/ industrial in general is an interesting one because while it's definitely it's own thing when the guitars start get involved it becomes way more metallic sounding. Actually Die Krupps might be one of the bands I may include in a later one since at one time Lee Altus of Heathen & Exodus was in the band supplying the riffs. Early Sugar Ray is definitely fun but I totally get why they sold out even if I don't like it. Yeah, these videos are a lot of fun and the first one really got the comments going in terms of solid discussion. I like bands that blur the boundaries for the most part. Generally they stir up a lot of fun debates. I'm already working on a follow up so there's definitely going to be more. I'm glad you're digging the series, man!
Screaming Tree is a band that I like to mix up often with my metal menu and in fact I'm surprised they are not bigger cause they're very easy on the ear
Im a big fan of stoner rock and metal myself. I would say Fu Manchu and Truckfighters are two of my favorites. Also, I feel like Quicksand would be a good one for this, there earlier albums are pretty heavy sounding. Would you consider noise rock or noise in general to fit the criteria? Stuff like Lightning Bolt, Daughters or Merzbow? And I like the blues rock vibes of Clutch, would love to see them live next time they come to Michigan, they remind me of a band I like called Morphine. Sorry for the long post. Love the videos you guys do!
Great choices once again! These are some other bands I thought of that might fit in this category (also sorry if this is long):
Tomahawk - One of Mike Patton's side projects/supergroups with Duane Denison, John Stanier, and Kevin Rutmanis (who later got replaced by Trevor Dunn). Borders a lot between alternative rock/alternative metal with post-hardcore influences, and other weird experiments throughout their discography (namely Anonymous which is a weird Native American-inspired rock/folk record). The self-titled and Mit Gas records are my favorites.
Thought Industry - Pretty underrated and ahead of their time, they started off as a prog/tech thrash band with a lot of avant-garde and funky experiments with post-hardcore and alternative rock influences (first two albums). I still need to hear their later records admittedly but they later on went fully into an alternative rock sound.
Disharmonic Orchestra - Another example of a band that sounded completely different with every album release. Started off as a straight up deathgrind band, then went into avant-garde/progressive metal, than switched gears into an alternative metal/post-hardcore sound (Pleasuredome), and then added some industrial elements into the mix (Ahead). I still need to hear their 2016 album Fear of Angst, but this band definitely bridged the gap many times throughout their discography.
Embodyment - These guys are pretty unknown but man, talk about a band that started off as metal and didn't stick to it. They started off as straight up brutal death metal (Suffocation worship) with their early demos and then went into a proto-deathcore sound (Embrace the Eternal). They then switched gears entirely with a different vocalist into alt rock/post-hxc/nu metal, then leaned fully into alt rock.
Bad Brains - Legendary hardcore punk band with reggae/dub influences, that later shifted into a punky alternative/funk metal sound. Admittedly, gotta get into these guys more but they were definitely influential to the hardcore punk and alternative metal scenes. I Against I and Quickness are probably my favorites so far.
Pitchshifter - Started off as Godflesh worship, but then eventually evolved into an industrial/nu metal sound with alt rock influences.
I'm also gonna reiterate NoMeansNo, even though I brought them up in the last video and another commenter mentioned them. I also think Fugazi and Refused could qualify for this category.
Necrotic Nick- There's some solid ones here. I already have Bad Brains, Refused, Fugazi and Tomahawk on the list. I still need to check out Nomeansno. I no that Embodyment, Pitchshifter and Thought Industry started off metal as fuck (I got some albums from each) but I think their earlier works put them more firmly in the metal camp than some of the others. They might be interesting to bring up though.
@@thrallsofmetal Yeah I might've actually been reaching a bit with Pitchshifter, now that I think of it they're pretty metal. I thought Embodyment would've been interesting since they are similar to Cave In in the fact they started off pretty metal and then abruptly changed styles.
Wasnt expecting a Pablo Honey mention on this vid 😂 (Radiohead are my favourite non-metal band)! Great summaries as always. Never knew about Sugar Ray, will have to try their first two! Downward Spiral and Songs for the Deaf were two important gateway albums for me into metal for sure. Also I've never really considered Tool metal, more in that heavy alt rock sound but with some added prog
Also interested if Sum 41 may get a mention 😉 - Chuck is definitely an interesting listen and Pain for Pleasure definitely channeled some Priest and Motley Crue
Necrotic Nick- Thanks, man! I'm a pretty big Radiohead fan as well but yeah, that one Fudge Tunnel song really had some early Radiohead vibes to it. Yeah, most people I've talked to have no idea that Sugar Ray used to be heavy and I totally get why. The Downward Spiral was a huge album for me when I was in high school in the 90's and Songs for the Deaf was the album that made me a huge fan of QOTSA. I liked the first 2 but Songs for the Deaf just rips. Tool is kinda their own thing and it's one those where the early stuff could be argued as being more metal but the later stuff put them in the on their own little island. I'm still not sure what consider them honestly. Sum 41 is one I might bring up later just because Chuck is a decidedly more metal album and the Pain for Pleasure thing was definitely done as tribute to their more metal side.
I love Clutch, ive seen em Live a bunch of times and they always bring it. Neil Fallon is a great Frontman too. Defo not really metal, but in their own words its just Pure Rock Fury!
TAD are a band similar to Melvins, as in its crushingly heavy but not quite metal. Their Debut Gods Balls is killer!
Necrotic Nick- Same here. One of my favorite flat out rock bands ever honestly. Neil has such a commanding vocal presence both live and on the albums. The early stuff I think you can make an argument for being kinda metal but the S/T definitely pushed them into more rock territory and I'm totally fine with that. I've actually been jamming some of Tad's albums and I added them to the list. I might wait till I have some of their albums before throwing them on a video but they'll definitely get brought up at some point.
Here’s a fun one. Dawn of Ashes is in the Archives.
Necrotic Nick- The band Dawn of Ashes?
If another episode of this comes out i would love to see Steel Pole Bath Tub show up. They were a band that was around from the late 80's to the early 00's and most people would just call them noise rock but there's definitely a metal feel. I recommend the albums Lurch and The Miracle of Sound in Motion, especially Lurch. Whenever I listen to that album I definitely hear a sludge metal and hardcore punk feel. No one really talks about this band so it would to see.
Necrotic Nick- I've never heard of that band to be honest but that's cool because it gives me yet another band to check out. Honestly, that description of sludge and hardcore blending already makes me think of Will Haven and I'm a big fan of them.
Queens of the Stone Age was always one that I had a strange view on. I definitely think that Songs for the Deaf is a metal album because of the title track but the rest of their output is more of an alt rock type of sound. I dunno but that’s always been how I saw them
Necrotic Nick- Honestly, I'm the same way. They have heavier moments but when it came down to being a "metal" band it was kind of a square peg/ round hole thing. The moniker never fit but the music dig have a slightly dark, heavier edge that still garnered some metalhead fans.
I'm going to throw in Incubus. My reasoning is some people have lumped them into the Nu-Metal category but I personally cannot find a single cord or riff in any of their albums that I would consider to be metal. I've always thought of them as simply an alternative rock back. Some of their older stuff like Science and Make Yourself definitely had some faster and more aggressive tunes than the average alternative band, but I still don't believe any of it is metal. I'm curious to know everyone's thoughts on that.
Necrotic Nick- Honestly, they're on my list as well. I still love S.C.I.E.N.C.E. a lot actually. I think they just got lumped in the nu metal pack just because they had a DJ but honestly I thought they were closer to a lot of the funk rock/ metal early on like Infectious Grooves and Red Hot Chili Peppers. I think Make Yourself was definitely a big shift to more straight up commercial rock overall but it still wasn't band.
Cave In' antenna album, I think, is one of the most underrated albums of the last 25 years. Heavy, melodic and cleanly sung vocals throughout. Was one of the top albums on end of the year lists in kerrang magazine in 2003 if I remember 😊
Necrotic Nick- I think it's decent but it still doesn't click with me as much as the others do. It's got some killer tracks on it but it just feels like a more uneven version of Jupiter to me.
KMFDM is a band that I would say has industrial metal albums but overall not a metal band. Angst I would comfortably call a metal album. There is a straight up thrash song on Tohuvabahu "Saft und Kraft". I would highly recommend that album and Hau Ruck. Great albums. One of my favorite bands.
Necrotic Nick- I would argue that as well especially with that 3 album run of Angst, Nihil and Xtort. The riff work feels way more in the forefront on those in particular versus the electronic elements. Honestly, it's mostly the electronic drums that give it their more industrial sound while riffs feel way more thrashy on that one. I own both of those and they're both pretty solid. Salt Und Kraft is honestly my favorite track on Tohuvabahu. The MDFMK album also has some bangers on it like Rabblerouser too.
@@thrallsofmetal yeah MDFMK is great, really like witch hunt on that.
Some bands I like that are heavy are Revolting Cocks, Lard, Camper Van Beethoven, Meat Puppets, Big Black, Husker Du, The Replacements, and Fugazi
Necrotic Nick- I've definitely got some stuff by those bands and some of them are on the list.
You nailed NIN dude. They're not a metal band; however, Broken is an all time Industrial metal classic. The CD was so cool I remember buying it new. It was one of the cool new paper ones and not the plastic ones that cracked. Artwork was trippy af. This album from cover to cover is metal, but I do think it's their only one that's "metal". Good shit bro love it. Them Crooked Vultures is the best non metal-metal album of all time. Fight me. 😅
Necrotic Nick- Thanks, man! Yeah, Broken and The Downward Spiral were pretty huge for me as a teen and being into metal by the time I really got into NIN kinda helped because those vicious guitars on Broken really spoke to me. Them Crooked Vultures is a killer album too.
The later Scott Walker albums, Tilt, The Drift and Bish Bosch. Cardiacs too.
Necrotic Nick- I'm really not familiar with any of those honestly which is cool because it gives more to look into. Thanks for the recommendations, man!
Boy, did not expect to see Sugar Ray on here, lol. I had their 2nd album back in the day.
Necrotic Nick- Yeah, I was a bit hesitant about throwing them on but those first two albums are pretty damn solid and honestly it's a band that you wouldn't expect to have heavier songs unless you've been listening to them for awhile.
Hey Nick, I’m glad that you dig Butthole Surfers, my favorite band since the mid 80s. You have to check out their 1987 album “Hairway to Steven.” The opening track will blow your mind and the album cover scared my buddy because it looked like his bad acid experiences.
Necrotic Nick- Yeah, that video for Who Was in My Room Last Night put me on the path years ago. I still need to dive into more of their stuff and I've heard Hairway to Steven is a big fan favorite. I can see where you buddy is coming from on that album cover. I'm pretty sure I've seen shit like that on my "cosmic adventures" over the years lol.
I always wondered about bands like The Prodigy or Chemical Brothers. They are clearly not metal, but these bands has the attitude of metal and many metal friends of mine include myself also are into these bands.
Stick, Orange 9mm, Eric Gales, King's X
Necrotic Nick- I don't think I've ever jammed Eric Gales or stick but King's X and Orange 9mm are both on the list for sure. I'm a long time fan of Orange 9mm in particular.
@@thrallsofmetal Stick was kinda like grungy sound but good, Eric Gales is blues but with heavy riffing, seen Orange 9mm bunch of times back in the day, also another mention would be Galactic Cowboys
nice Breakdowns !!
Necrotic Nick- Thanks, man!
Yes part 2!
Since you are doing Living Color, I hope you are doing Body Count also.
Necrotic Nick- Already starting work on a pt 3 as well.
I’ve had the Clutch debate a few times with mates. Always a fun one. I don’t consider it metal, but I do consider the self titled and Blast Tyrant as mandatory listening. Fucking great band that deserves more love
Necrotic Nick- Same here. I've always called them rock's best kept secret and a rock band that can hold its own on a metal bill. I love most of their stuff but Blast Tyrant, S/T and Earth Rocker I consider must listens.
@@thrallsofmetal Fuckin’ A
I'm going to chime in and say "Robot Hive/Exodus" is must listen as well. The album really showcases many of Clutches different influences. So much groove and funk. Clutch were on fire at that point releasing Blast Tyrant and Robot Hive a year a part from each other. Those were the two albums that made me a Clutch fan for life.
Alice Cooper's Kane Roberts era is quite metal-ish. 'Raise Your Fist and Yell' is my all-time favourite AC album, and nothing will ever change that!
If Clutch had continued with their early sound (up to 'Transnational Speedway League'), they would be listen on Metal Archives.
Necrotic Nick- I don't own much Alice Cooper but that's one I wouldn't mind covering as some point in one of these. I love Clutch pretty much across the board but that early stuff is pretty damn heavy and I think they might have been in the Archives as well if they stuck with that sound.
Love me some Clutch! Last time i saw them they had Helmet and Quicksand open for them. Neil is a genius. Who else could memorize all those lyrics...and write them? Their heavy stuff is great. Their bluesy stuff is great. A few favorites: Nero's fiddle, x-ray visions, Big news 1&2, The Regulator...just so many incredible songs! I tried to make a Clutch playlist. It turned into 4 playlists. I like a little bit of Tool. 3rd Eye is my favorite song. Undertow was my introduction as well. Remember Fudge Tunnel had a video on MTV in the early 90s called "Grey" So i bought Creep Diets on cassette. Bought Nailbombs albums after that because it was Alex from Fudgetunnel and Max from Sepultura!!! I like a wide variety of stuff. NIN was a big part of my youth as well. Broken was the best! Godflesh, Ministry, Prong...had Radioheads first album. "You" is still a favorite song. Melvins, Faith no more, 3rd and The mortal, Skinny Puppy, Dig, Paw, Filter, In The Woods, Primus...once had a large music collection. Cool video Nick. Could talk music all day! Im a slow texter though 😁 cheers ☕ rock on 🤘
Necrotic Nick- Same here, man! I've been a huge fan since I was teen and I still love those dudes. Hell that lst one they dropped was killer too. Neil's lyrics are strangely poetic and possibly only outmatched by his huge voice. There's too many incredible Clutch songs to name honestly and they keep adding to them. I got into Tool with Undertow as well but Aenima made me an even bigger fan. I jammed that album so damn much as a teen. Fudge Tunnel's The Complicated Futility of Ignorance was a blind buy when I was teen. I honestly didn't follow up on that album until years later with Creep Diets and Hate Songs in E Minor but I dig those as well. I jammed a ton of industrial stuff as teen as well so NIN, Ministry, KMFDM, Die Krupps and Front Line Assembly were always in heavy rotation. I'm glad you dig the video, man. This was a lot of fun to make honestly and I'm looking forward to doing more in the future. There's still a ton of bands I want to cover with this series.
Let’s start with Filter, love short bus. Easily one of my favorite albums of the 90s. I still jam that shit all the time. Dose, Under, Spent, Consider This are top tier 90s songs! I got to see Butthole Surfers live in 2009 or 2010 (can’t remember) when they reunited with the og lineup. Needless to say it was incredible, but only played older songs Hairway to Steven (personal favorite) and before. Definitely check out the older albums they are absolute madness. I actually kinda love the first Sugar Ray album Lemonade and Brownies, I know I know. It’s got some awesome riffs, has a lot of high energy and I think Mark’s vocals aren’t bad here. Guilty as charged, second album is ok I really liked it in my adolescence anyway.
Necrotic Nick- Same here, man! I wore out my original copy of Short Bus to the point it wouldn't even play anymore. Beavis & Butthead introduced me to a ton of cool bands and the video for Who Was in My Room Last Night never left my memory. The song was wild as hell and Gibby was such an interesting front man. I still need to hunt down more by them. Honestly, the first 2 Sugar Ray albums are fun. I still hate Fly but pretty much everything else on Floored is killer and Lemonade & Brownies is just dumb, riffy fun. It might be slightly more mature than a Bloodhound Gang album but not by much lol.
Tool is still a big puzzle for me, even though I've been a fan of the band for a long time, it's impossible to fit them into just one genre, even though the band has a more "prog" direction, there's still a lot of ambiguity and subjectivity, especially in many of the lyrics as well. I would say that Lateralus is the "heaviest" album of the band, Adam Jones did a unique job on the riffs on this album, especially on "Parabola". Even though Danny Carey has already said: "We're not a metal band". He probably influenced a lot of progressive metal drummers hehe
Necrotic Nick- "I know the pieces fit..." Sorry, I saw puzzle and I just had to lol. Yeah, out of most of the bands I've brought up Tool is definitely one of the hardest ones to lump in one particular subset especially with their proggier material later on. Bands like them are honestly the reason I wanted to do some videos around this subject because they fit the definition of a band that is heavy but not necessarily metal.
Hey, Nick i recommend Siege, proboably the heaviest punk band of early 80's. They are "Regarded as one of the pioneers of the grindcore and powerviolence subgenres" also Dropdead is a cool powerviolence band
Necrotic Nick- They're actually on the list. I picked up an reissue Drop Dead last year.
Thanks again, Nick. I know one day you’re going to go over the Jesus Lizard. BTW, talking of bands that started off as metal and then abandoned it, what about Ulver? I don’t think you went over them in the first installment did you? They pretty much perfected a certain kind of vicious, trebly, cold AF black metal, and then just abandoned it for art- pop. Very odd. Still missed by black metal fans because their black metal was SO good.
Those first three Ulver albums are perfection. God knows what bug bit them.
Necrotic Nick- Hey! Thank you for checking out the video! I've gone back and jammed some of their stuff again (as well as some Swans and Tad) and they're definitely a band I want to bring up. I might wait to bring up those bands until I have some of their stuff in my collection though. I only have one Ulver album and I really haven't listened to much of their stuff. It's a band I've been meaning to get more stuff by for years but I keep forgetting to keep an eye out for their stuff. There's definitely going to more of these videos in the future so these bands will definitely get brought up at some point.
@@JustAnotherHeavyMetalManiac They are indeed. It’s so weird how they then completely abandoned metal. It’s like those albums were some kind of examination they set themselves, to create the perfect black metal. Once done, they were no longer interested. Very odd.
@@thrallsofmetal I’m totally sure you’ll love the other black metal stuff you haven’t jammed so far. To be fair, I’ve hardly listened to their later stuff.
@@jmalinjapan7786 They did depart from black metal on their second album, but it was still awesome. They always had folk music in their sound so it almost felt like a natural progression. If they abandoned black metal for folk, that would make sense and I would probably be onboard. It’s so strange how they evolved
“By the way, if you see your mum this weekend, would you be sure and tell ‘er SATAN, SATAN, SATAN!”
Necrotic Nick- LOL!
My dad showed me Clutch and I love their music now, but I definitely don’t think they’re exactly Metal
But as one person would say is “it’s not metal but heavier than most metal then” and I would have to agree with that one person lol.
Necrotic Nick- Honestly, while I wouldn't consider Clutch metal they exude a ton of energy that would even rival that of a lot of metal bands. Your dad is clearly a man of exquisite tastes.
What is the song in the intro
Necrotic Nick- It's by the band Constricted which features a couple of our fellow Thralls. The song is called "Third Generation".
I became a fan of Mortuous last night
Necrotic Nick- Awesome, man!
Vision of Disorder with Clutch?!?! 🔥 very cool. Don't hear about them much but I love Tim Williams vocals in VOD and Bloodsimple. Discovered VOD back in the Morpheus and Kazaa days. Been a big fan ever since. Imprint and The Cursed Remain Cursed my fav albums from VOD. And if anyone wants a taste of Bloodsimple, check out the song "Ride With Me".🤘 🚪🚪🚪
On Tool: for me, Undertow, Ænema, and Lateralus are really all I'd revisit at this point and I'd pry have to be on LSD so I can fully appreciate Maynard's vocal production. Once I listened to Tool on LSD, listening to them sober is lame. Lots of intricate subtleties in Tool that literally require psychedelic intoxication to notice/experience. 10k Days has couple of bangers, but the "tool formula" just doesn't have many ingredients, leading to many songs containing the exact same soundscapes and rhythms. If you've heard the albums I listed you've heard all the tool ya need to have experienced everything they have to offer. In my opinion.
Shoutout to A Perfect Circle album Mer De Noms. Greeeaaatttt genre bending album. Dark and emotional, psychedelic as hell. Still one of my all time favs.
Necrotic Nick- Yep. That was my first Clutch show and it was a hell of an experience. I got to take my little sister with me to that one and we both got to meet Neil outside the venue. Vision of Order had a sick set too. They were touring on From Bliss to Devastation which is far from my favorite album by them but they played a lot of earlier material too. Imprint is still one of my go to hardcore albums from the 90's. Jon is a giant fan of that one as well too. I have both Bloodsimple albums as well. I thought they were decent but when VOD resurfaced I kinda forgot about them.
My Sister's Machine should be included at some point.
Necrotic Nick- I'm actually not familiar with that one. I'm still getting a ton of suggestions from the comments and checking out a lot of bands I honestly have never sat down and jammed so I'll add this one to the list. Thanks for the recommendation, man!
Necrotic Nick- I try to keep up with as many comments as I can. Taking to our fans is honestly yet another really cool thing about this RUclips thing. That's an interesting connection to 2 bands I like so I may have to check that one out.
Linkin Park is definitely a band I’d mention in this.
Necrotic Nick- I don't know. I always felt comfortable with calling at least their first 2 nu metal albums but the rest is definitely more rock oriented. I might bring them up at some point in the future.
Tool- alternative metal
Necrotic Nick- That kinda does fit if you had to lump them in somewhere.
Butthole Surfers got some really heavy stuff like Graveyard, Sweat Loaf (Black Sabbath inspired song) , The O-Men(according to legend, this track was inspired after The BHS saw the metal band Omen while tripping acid)…..
Necrotic Nick- Agreed. Sweet Loaf was a big standout for me one Locust Abortion Technician. I didn't know about the story with The O-Men but it does make a lot of sense lol. Those dudes were wild as hell.
All I have to say is.. Mortuous = Badass
Necrotic Nick- Agreed.
Four words: His Hero Is Gone
Necrotic Nick- I've heard of that band but I've never jammed them. That gives me more to look into in the future when I do more of these.
Clutch rules
Necrotic Nick- No argument here.
The first time I seen them they were opening for Fear Factory and Sepultura around 94 or 95
I have a theory that people don't give Living Colour a real chance cuz they're rascxst
Necrotic Nick- It could be that. I can't say for certain but I'm not ruling it out entirely.
I want to create a channel just to shit on Tool. I'll call it (S)tool.
Necrotic Nick- You might stir up some shit with that one lol
Ahem...
Tool's diehard fans? Are Tools. :P
I'm kidding though! Please don't come for me...
Heres a werid one....soundgarden is on the metal archives
Necrotic Nick- That's wild honestly considering how many of the "grunge" bands are omitted from the Archives.
@@thrallsofmetal they're listed as "stoner/heavy metal, grunge". In what fucking universe is soundgarden stoner metal?
@@thrallsofmetal alice in chains are on there too but I could at least understand how but soundgarden being there just fucking confuses the hell out of me. Also how tf is rush on there??????
Filter has never ever in the history of the world, been considered as metal. Just sayin!
Necrotic Nick- I'd argue the first album is debatably a metal album. That's just me though.
I would recommend hairway to Steven and electric larryland by the surfers... really
For a next Episode id like to see the gaye bykers on acid and Pop will eat itself or what about sisters of mercy?
Necrotic Nick- I legit have never hear of Gaye Bykers on Acid lol. That is totally new to me and I kinda want to check them out on the name alone lol. Pop Will Eat Itself might show up and Sisters of Mercy is already on the list for sure.
@@thrallsofmetal ok, yes gaye bykers are absolutely worth a deep dive. They made a movie called Drill your own hole. Their Videoclips put in context. They had a side project called lesbian dopeheads on mopeds........ would really love to hear what you think of em👍👍