Zodiac - The Art of Obsession
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How far will obsession take you? It took Robert Graysmith to places he never thought he would go, and David Fincher was able to capture that perfectly in his 2007 masterpiece Zodiac.
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With footage From
Zodiac. Fincher. Paramount Pictures, 2007.
In Cold Blood. Brooks. Columbia Pictures, 1967.
Dirty Harry. Siegel. Warner Bros, 1971.
Soundtrack
Higher By Sly and The Family Stone
Aftermaths By David Shire
Watched this movie... then went online to research more. Now that's when you know a movie is BRILLIANT!
that basement scene towards the end still gives me chills fuck that
The basement scene is in my opinion the scariest scene in a non horror movie ever. Great video keep it up. One question is it possible to do a explanation type video on movies with hidden meanings and ideas like Prometheus.
I totally agree, the entire movie is full of masterful direction and that scene shows it off perfectly. As for hidden meanings, that really aren't my favorite videos, I kind of did that in Black Swan and will probably continue to do so in the future!
Bissy "Scary" isn't naturally occurring.
Nigga that scene had me fucked up yo
Can everyone please stop just talking about the basement scene the whole movie is great
Also Denis Villenueve’s Enemy also has one of the most chilling endings in a movie and has underlying meanings and I think it is the most complex movie I have ever seen
Btw Jake Gyllenhaal
This cemented Fincher as a master. Very few other directors could’ve taken something this slow paced and made it as engaging as it is. I rewatch this all the time and never get bored. It’s so good. He’s never made a bad film. Alien 3 is even decent, but studio interference prevented us from getting the film he wanted to make.
I totally agree that Zodiac is one of the best films (and not just of crime films) of the last ten years. I also enjoyed your 'film dissection." Thanks for sharing.
Thanks for watching! Glad you enjoyed!
one of the best movies I have seen... it's pace is one of its highlights ..great dissection
Thank you!
I remember when I saw the movie, in the scene where they are interviewing Leigh, he crosses his leg and his body language in general is something you would call stereotypical mannerisms of a gay person, earlier in the movie Avery calls the zodiac a "raging homlsexual". Never saw anyone comment on that so I just wanted to say it haha.
You can feel Graysmith obsession through the camera, that even yourself start looking for clues in every scene. Great Acting, Great Movie. One of my faves.
Leigh crossing his legs...brrr. It's obvious he is the murderer, based on all the evidence.
1qwasz12 But we as the audience get a glimpse of the killer. Even his voice at one point. I think that, presented in the movie, are various killers.
paul avery called him a latent homosexual
Avery also crosses his legs while Graysmith visits him. I guess then every man who crosses his legs is gay underneath lol
I think the focus of that scene was on Leigh's boots cuz Zodiac had military boots of size 10 or smthg.
I love this movie even though it's painful to watch; it's hauntingly accurate.
Watched this as a kid (12?) on dvd with my family and loved it right away. I rewatchted it so many times afterward. It just fascinated me for some reason. Haven't seen it in awhile but I remember it being great.
This was no slow movie. It was a straight-up crime/drama/thriller. It was enthralling down to the last sentence.
Great piece but it would have benefitted to show how the case affects Toschi as well. It's with his inside baseball that Graysmith is able to transform his amateur sleuthing (which at the start, amounts to little more than "fan fiction") into a credible investigation. It's worth examining how Toschi, unable to pursue the case himself, since there are so many others to solve, uses Graysmith as a surrogate, which leads to an ending that is cold comfort for Toschi but at least confirms he was not walking down what he described earlier as a blind alley. It also shows that Toschi, unlike Graysmith, was wise enough not to allow the Zodiac investigation to ruin his life and his marriage, while never retreating into apathy. Same can be said for his partner, Bill Armstrong, who gets out while he can and can hardly be blamed for doing so. Like I said, great piece and I'd like to add that you reminded me that Arthur Leigh Allen was only proven to be an odd man with somewhat circumstancial evidence against him, not a serial killer and for that, his life was ruined. And I hope for the sake of the principle of due process, that this gives Robert Graysmith significant pause at the very least. His hands aren't clean in this regard. It reminds me of the "Paradise Lost" documentaries and how three kids were given life sentences for wearing black and listening to Metallica. They were not even close to being proved murderers. Same with Lindy Chamberlain in New Zealand, an odd and aloof individual who followed a controversial religion and therefore convicted in court and forever in the court of public opinion, despite her eventual and indisputable exoneration. It really shows how we as a society are complacent and point the finger at oddballs and outcasts without looking elsewhere with scrutiny. And also reflects how we all can find ourselves guilty by suspicion.
Who tf was given a life sentence for listening to Metallica? Millions of people do
Saw this Movie in the Theatre and the stabbing scene by the lake still is burned into my mind! Currently binge watching your videos. Love them!
The basement scene, the eerie stare that Robert and Lee have and that ending? Some of of the most chilling scenes I have seen in a non horror movie, ever.
Such a underrated movie about true crime.
Horrid! Horrid! Not quite so Horrid. And Horrid!
I say we go with Not quite so Horrid.
The final song that plays as the credits start to roll is just so fitting for the whole movie.
I totally agree
Michelle Zarco yeah it makes you really feel uncomfortable
Awesome analysis as always! Very insightful yet easy to follow. Well I admit I never made it through Zodiac in one go - even though I love the look, feel, story and top notch cast. Will give it a try again soon. Always fascinating how incredibly detailed Fincher's sets are with every piece and prop adding to it - yet they always look uncluttered. Fincher definitely is a master of ultra high precision cinematography and has his signature look, fully embracing the digital workflow with stunning looking results. Nerdy side remark: this was shot (except for slow motion shots on 35mm film) with a Thomson Viper, a relatively early high end digital camera (source: IMDb). Fincher and his highly talented team really knew how to make it look very cinematic, already (over) 10 years ago. Thanks again for sharing your insight with additional, crucial information!
Thank you! Fincher has proven he is able to consistently produce great movies, I know some filmmakers are going to prefer shooting on film, but digital is so ingrained into his style.
Absolutely. Fincher has his very own workflow and thinks all the way from planning, capturing images - through digital post with surgical precision. I think it works perfectly when done with that much talent. Hats off!
why was the movie a flop??
good video thanks - i appreciate someone uploading new reviews for older films.
Thanks Ben!
I think zodiac is finchers best film
Big Red For me it's between this and The Social Network.
it is.
i honestly think this is one of the greatest movies of all time.
I love it!
This is the best movie I have ever seen
i love watching your videos, they're so informative.. also please never stop lol. i'm gonna make a suggestion " Let The Right One In" one of my favourite movies of all time
Very possibly, I may add that to my horror movie month for 2017.
Lind of has confrontation at the end. He said all he ever needed was to look in the guys eyes and knows he's right. He didn't say he was going to catch the dude or necessary get him arrest but he's content with looking in huys eyes letting him know he knows. Which was second to last scene where he has stare off with Lee and leaves content that he knows and Lee's face is he knows he knows lol
It's may 2019. Since jan 2019 I've converted Zodiac into audio file. And I listen to it daily night, actually I sleep to it. Am I obsessed with it?
awesome.
Thanks William!
It Was Leigh!!
Classic
SPOILER ALERT: I don't think Leigh was the killer. Graysmith had gone in TV when he deciphered one of the codes and then the Zodiac started calling his house during the nights. When they finally meet nearly at the end of the movie, Leigh doesn't seem to know Robert's face at all. That and the fact the handwriting never matched.
Well technically you're right. That is exactly why the case is still open to this day, because nobody has been proven definitively.
I think it was both of them and that they were working together somehow.
Maybe Gykowski's need for revenge over Darlene(the girl he admired that never gave him a chance but fooled around constantly) and her fiance-
I believe a murderer's true identity can only be brought by his very first killing.
Gykowski moved there for his obsession with Darlene and everything points to the fact he wanted her and her fiance dead- he even attended the guy's funeral who he had not known.
Arthur however was the one doing the killing and he was very sloppy and not at all a mastermind by look. He was very sloppy and for the brutally of it- killing animals etc... He was probably hired or an accomplice.
I think he might have been a paid killer while Gykowski was the actual legend of the killer - he did all the arrangements the calling and basically WAS the actual Zodiac as he met all the descriptions regarding places, people, motifs, also his voice was identified as the one who spoke on the TV conversation.
Handwriting is like nothing to go by since you could easily ask people to write for you, lick your stamps, that is not like a tell sign at all.
I believe when looking for a killer you are looking for a mind- someone with a motif someone who wants those people killed, who wants the credit of the situation etc. Gykowski's stories in the newspaper and his need for writing and press attention are a huge clue, the "gyke" within the letter as well, but mostly the fact that his voice was recognized and that is the hardest characteristic about a person that can be faked. He couldn't have let someone else talk since it would have been obvious it is staged. I believe he truly was the mind of the situation.
Maybe in creating the story and his name he was inspired by Arthur's watch and ideals.
Arthur doesn't care for the actual press and whatever he was only an executor so he doesn't know Robert's face but perhaps by his final disturbed looked after a long time watching each other - he understands this person might be onto him.
Ah, man. What an amazing channel!
this is one of the BEST MOVIES IN THE PAST 15 YEARS........FINCHER.S BEST?
Thomas Billich For me it's between this and The Social Network
Awesome as always!
I knew Anthony Edwards was in this!! (The trailer scene has scarred me for life!) Apart from that, the murders, and Jake G., Idr much else except that this was such a LONG movie.
The thing the frustrated me most about this movie is there was a more compelling suspect then lee Alan names exaps me but its still a good movie I recommend Bong Jun hos Memories of Murder also based on a true story
Sorry bro, I had to stop your video and go vibe out to Sly and the family stone for sec.
I don't think you know how long this video took to make, every time I heard that opening, I did the exact same!
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Well, I finally finished. You knocked it out the park again. Keep up the good work, homie!!!
Thank you!
This movie reminded me of Serial.
Awesome as always, but it would be better if you warned us before spoiling another movie (Dirty Harry in this case).
Thanks Laurynas, but I felt in this case where they say the ending to Dirty Harry in Zodiac, it was acceptable to talk about it.
Toschi isn't thought to be the killer. The police just think that he forged the last Zodiac letter.
Apparently Toschi WAS found to have written some letters that purported to be from third parties praising his work. He did admit to that at the time. They didn't cover that in the movie but in real life, when he was suspected of forging one of the letters from the Zodiac, it wasn't all that far-fetched given his prior history. It's generally accepted that he did not forge the Zodiac letter, but it wasn't all that outrageous for his superiors to have had their suspicions at the time.
keep up the good work...
Thanks will do!
I was 10 when this took place , I remember it.... zodiac killer... Being of more interest than mansons murders in mid America
Reminds me of getting involved in the coverage of the assassination of MLK back in 1998 for the BBC, it's easy to become obsessed with the subject. And with MLK it's still very controversial a subject close to 50 years since the event.
That's a great comparison!
Did anyone else think from watching this--although it has been a few years--that the man and the basement and Leigh were working together? I figured Leigh killed them and the projectionist wrote the letters, etc. Haven't heard anything else about this yet though.
Obviously nobody knows exactly what happened, but the only suspect today is Allen.
I love this movie but I keep forgetting when the cherry bomb scene happens and that the volume isn’t limited. I keep recommending this movie to my Dad but I think that scene will give him a heart attack.
Great video as always, although there is one error - you say the Director's Cut is 3 hours. I just came here after watching it and it's only 2hr40m, the DC only adds a few minutes of footage.
Ok, I must have been thinking of the wrong movie.
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You said it's " *about* 3 hours long". 2 hrs & 40 minutes is "about 3 hours long".
@Jez Anderson:
He didn't* say that it was "three hours long", he said that the DC was "about* 3 hours long", and most ppl would agree that 2hrs40m is ABOUT 3 hours long. In the least, you misquoted him.
I read Zodiac I believe Arthur Lee Alien was involved in the murders but the book is very strange
good observations on the use of time and the shift in focus of the film. overall a very good movie, but not great, for me due to the lack of subtext or symbolism or any such art that would elevate it. also the part of the movie that kind of broke the illusion for me is why toschi would write anonymous fan letters about himself, I couldn't quite fanthom that revelation while watching the movie and really doesn't seem to jive with how Ruffalo portrayed him, kind of rubs me the wrong way and doesn't fit with his portrayal in the film.
It said at the end in the closing credits he was cleared of doing that so it seems they merely thought he did for publicity reasons.
3/13/71 Arthur Leigh Allen stopped for wrong turn by the police at an intersection and gets citation in San Francisco.
3/13/71 Zodiac sends letter to LA times from Pleasanton, CA (First and last not from San Francisco, to the LA Times and from Pleasanton) That same day 3/13/1971.
How generally impatent do you have to be to describe Zodiac as a generally slow movie?
Man I love this channel. Would you consider doing one over Inception? I think that Nolan's films can often have a deep underlying meaning which many critics fail to see, but you saw it perfectly in your interstellar review. I'm very curious to see what you think of Inception, or even another Nolan film like the The Dark Knight.
Thank you! I have plans for a Nolan movie in the next couple of weeks!
Great video! Exceded my expectations. What would you say is Fincher's point or message (if you believe there is one) in this movie?
Thank you! I think pointing out a definitive message can be tough, I think it is a bit of a character study about obsession. Maybe not a message so much as an idea of "this is what obsession will do to you, now pick if it's worth it"
Jack's Movie Reviews Very interesting. I can see what you're saying :)
it always had seemed to me that Fincher kinda ignores the messages that the story themselves give. I mean, the writer wrote it like that because he is trying to convey certain message, but somehow,it seems to me that Fincher just ignores this and focuses a lot more on the effect of the story in the character, and how he can express this effect in a cinematic way.
Maybe, I get that in some movies, but others like Fight Club and Gone Girl have definitive messages.
Eri Taide Also, Fincher may not have one clear message, but you can always sense that he is a very opinionated director. He famously said that "all people are perverts" and I think that belief can be seen to a certain degree in all of his films. I don't believe that he ignores the messages of the original stories, rather he gives it his own "fincher sauce" and conveys it to varying extents across his filmography.
Well this is a cool movie but it is sad Allen got caught up in this mess. With the new evidence found it seems he has no connection. Maybe he was responsible for Bates but it was almost certainly Poste who is the zodiac.
Jake Gyllenhall's "Happy Salads" at McDonalds.
Some people move on but not Graysmith 😁
For me Leigh has to be the killer, but isn't it sure that he didn't write the letters ? If he didn't, who did ?
:D
Narcissist vs artist..
This film is a no way slow or boring maybe just the people that say that are
watch second half first. script could have been streamlined. more fun talking about than watching.
slow movie!???? really...!!?😡
so much labor was spent on makin this epic, its odd that its so durn
slow n boring.
specially with that hot jake g.
pain in ass to make!
What was the point of this movie?
It's long, boring and leads nowhere.
Did you watch the video?
This was a terrible analysis and you clearly did not understand the film on any level.
Graysmith is the protagonist of a movie that was about the Zodiac Killer. What does that tell you? If the Zodiac had a definite identity, then this would be fine. However, since Graysmith is the only real point of view character, it is quite obvious that he is hinting to the viewer that he himself is in fact the killer. The scenes where he feigns terror at the sight of Allen and the guy in the basement is his way of projecting his own fears about his own inner demons on to these other men, one of whom he is trying to frame for murder.
If you need further information, please watch my video on the subject.
This film was crap. This film was boring. Fincher needs to give up. Go on Imdb.com and you will see plenty of people who agree with me.
I don't know about that chief...
@@JacksMovieReviews Well I do! Complete and utter bulls**t! A long, dull story about nothing. Maybe there was an interesting story to be told about the Zodiac Killer but not this one. Remember there were people who gave positive reviews to the Phantom Menace including Roger Ebert. Are these people engaged in some group delusion or paid to lie? I don't know. At the end of the film I couldn't give a damn who the killer might or might not be, I just wanted this pathetic excuse of a film to end.