They were butchered when their hydro became regular hydro instead of "German Hydro". It was specially funny when afterwards, Lo Yang received "German Hydro" whilst German ships lost it... Sincerely, every German ship with hydro should have "uber German Hydro" as a first step to revive them and differentiate them, in the same way they have been progressively been given 1/4 pen rule for their HE...
not complaining really much about the hydro, but I think they should at least buff torp range bcs in current meta with radar and cv everywhere, 10 km torp is just trash
The German destroyers were one of those ships that they totally never marketed as being good because of their ability to stealth fire, except for when that is precisely what they said about them. They didn't directly nerf the DD's, they nerfed stealth firing across the board and broke the ships before release because they never adjusted them to compensate.
German DDs were always fun to play. Using that long-range hydro to bully DDs out of caps was a blast. The issue was, and remains, that they're kinda weak.
There's still a couple of things that german dds can receive as a buffs. 1- Hydro buff to make them have the best dd hydro at its tier or at least equal. Gaede (5km), Maass and Z-23 (5,5km) and Z-46 (6km) 2- Currently, old dd lines (usn, ijn, vmf and km) have progressive smoke duration, unlike the newer lines which have fixed duration through the tiers. Make the smokes have a fixated number in tier brackets: tier II-V 50s, tier VI-VIII 60s and tier IX-X 70s. Then reduce the reload time of smoke to 120s (instead of 160s). Add +1 smoke charge. 3- 150mm standarization. This one is only for german dds with 150mm as an option. Currently they are the only ones that have different values compared to rest of german ships equiped with these guns. Make these gun's shells have 1900 dmg for HE with 10% fire chance (buff for cruiser and secondary) and keep the 3900 for AP. In exchange, reduce the reload on Gaede and Z-23 to a flat 6s. These are old ideas i had, as old as the release of RN dds.
after playing a couple of battles with z52 since the buff, I'm starting to see it this way dds: use smoke and hydro to spot them and hope your teammates provide support. z can take the shima line in a knife fight and (maybe) the russian dds, but it lacks the dpm to brawl any other destroyer. you just can't play aggressively against dds anymore. cruisers: it can handle ijn, french, italian and (so long as it can maintain stealth) non-radar british cruisers. US and russian cruisers can and will give it trouble with all the radar, so use hard cover to deal with them. bbs: I'm starting to see z52 as a bb killer. use smoke and cover when slinging he and setting fires and you have more than enough stealth to harass them with fast reloading torps. cvs: aside from fairly good medium-range aa from a dd, carriers will be the bane of your existence (duh). buddy up when you see planes coming and you;ll be somewhat safe.
I always liked the German dds for me they was strong from the start they did have one huge weakness when they first was introduced being the gun firing detection penalty but once they changed that I found them very good I remember one time going up against a full health benson in my mass I was on about half health he showed me his side and I melted him with ap
maybe you dont know, but nowadays, all DDs have short fuse on AP... British DDs on top, have the better pen angles, which makes them so effective ( but most Darings I am meeting, dont use it either, cause any competetive oponent angles so much, that they would be inefective either ) so no, you are crying on wrong tomb.
@@AdalbertSchneider_ actually german DDs AP overpens many DDs so its not always very effective. on the other hand, IJN 100mm DDs GOT the short fuse and always do full pen dmg to DDs which makes their DPM really insane with AP. i wish german DDs would have a similar trait which will make their AP really insane vs DDs too. now its not always effective but its deadly vs any other broadside.
@@cobrazax Once more, its not that they owerpen more than other DDs, the fuse is the same for all DDs. Their AP is similar efective against other DDs, than Other DDs AP. plss...🤦♂️
@@AdalbertSchneider_ Thats bullshit. I get many overpens vs dds with them...100mm never gets overpens. Go test it yourself. I did and got plenty of overpens even vs a fat dd like z 52, especially when broadside 100mm ijn guns almost NEVER overpen anything
The few times I have dipped my toes into DDs I have gone with German as they seem to be the most versatile and I have done ok with them. For a potato player I mean. Edit: They need to make the Black, White, Red camo permanent.
The main problem is that the HE pen did NOT help when fighting DDs, you still have crap DPM. Yes you can translate that crap DPM more effectively to actual DPM on larger targets, but that still is not enough DPM. AP pen angles would have been a much better buff. Would help fighting all the targets more effectively ... but no, WG does a token buff instead. Also most of you damage was from torpedoes, so the pen increase does not really translate ...
which amplifies the fact these are mini cruisers and not DDs. Also try Z23 with 12km guns in a T10 match with 12km radar cruisers. That is more representative nowadays than being top tier.
Almost same as Akizuki and sisters, they are not much special against dds, because even a Fletcher could kill a Kitakaze with guns, or Daring vs Harugumo, or Hayate vs Harugumo. But they are so strong against bbs and cruisers
I used to love DD play, but with CV's being around so much, often two in one game, I went back to cruisers. DD's have low armor and poor AA and until WOW's fixes that, I'll stay with cruisers because of CV's.
They just reworked CV rockets, so that its about 4-5 seconds from the point when a commander clicks to start his attack run, and when the rockets actually fire. This had made it almost impossible to hit maneuvering DDs.
Umm what? Count how many guns the Z-39 has... Even at t7, it has bad dpm. Good guns definitely isn’t the word I’d use for 3 150 mm guns with a massive 7.5 second reload.
Z-39 actually one of the best t7 dd she have it all hp? 20k not enough? Conceal? 6.1 pretty good for T7 maneuverability? Pretty decent torp? It Mass torp not great but still good gun? That 4x150mm is hit like a truck and she have 5km hydro
makoja read my comment again😂. I never said it wasn’t a good dd, I said you were completely wrong about the guns being great. Also, like I said before, it has 3 guns, not 4, and they stand no chance against most of the other dds guns.
@@liamfreeman1812 she have 4gun you can go check it. I have the ship and i play her quiet often so I quiet confidence in what she have and what she can do and one more thing plz act like I never typed that reply🤣🤣🤣 damn I rarely miss read like this.
makoja whoops you’re right about the 4th gun. Still doesn’t change anything tho. Remember I didn’t say it was a bad dd, just that guns very much aren’t amazing
I started German DD because I wanted to have Z-52 but all other destroyers before her were deemed to be bad. So I started with Gaede. Everybody said Gaede ain't no good and no fun. I played her with low expectations. Turns out she worked really well. Then I took a few months break of German DDs because "they ain't no good". Then I played Maass, turned out I enjoyed playing her, she was performing well for me. Then I took a few months break of German DDs because "they ain't no good". Then I played Z-23. Turned out she was fun to play and performed well. Then I took a few months break of German DDs because "they ain't no good". Then I played Z-46 and she really worked very well for me. Now I have reached Z-52. I don't know what it is about these DDs but somehow I enjoy playing them and they also deliver. iChase, what am I doing wrong? :-)
And lets not forget about the 15cm guns on Z-23 / Z-39 when u face CLs, who underestimate u at close ranges... those guns can rip apart light cruisers, when caught off guard :)
German DDs rely heavily on consumables, smoke up and Hydro is the default for them Joat and SI are mandatory, the Jutland captains work great. Boost the guns not the torps, 90 sec torp reload is fine and the guns will have 3.5 sec reload making them more competitive
I went through the German DD line a second time earlier this year (pre-HE pen buff) and found them to still be enjoyable, at least to me. Obviously, they're not all that competitive compared to some other nations destroyers, but they still make great ambush predators when played right.
nice timing. I just got the Z 23 and was considering free xp ing to the z52. I like the looks of the German DDs too, and your camo is great, is that the 600 token camo from the carrier event?
The guns are reliable. I have been pondering Tier X for destroyers, and have reluctantly given up on the U.S. line: I cannot shoot with the near-earth-orbit arcs of the Fletcher, but have been doing well with the Tier IX Z-whatchacallit (some number) German tin can. (After 6 or 7 thousand games in five years I feel I ought to have at least one other Tier X other than the Des Moines, just as a matter of principle. Too much magic at the high tiers for my taste, but a second ship for Tier X ranked battles would be nice.)
That's why he said that the German DDs weren't very competitive. He only said they were fun and specifically said that they're not strong contenders for any sort of ranked or clan battles.
I have always enjoyed my zerstörers, specially the Z-52 and would love if we got something like a Z-51 as T9 Freemium. But with the natural power creep in this game they would have needed a slight DPM buff to be competitive vs enemy destroyers. They have made the transit from dominate playing the objective to a support role and question is if it is time to get AFT on them to get that range going with all Russian railguns on radarplatforms being introduced...
really love the new pen of german dds. just remember, always bring a big bro with you to hunt dds, since the low dpm of he of german. then , feel free to spam on large targets, be like a soviet gunbot (flank, try ap if possible, get targeted and disengage) ah, btw, try some low tier soviet dd, and you'll get more exp of when to shoot and when to run, lol.
I would love some type of buff to late tier USN DDs. I get as a hybrid nothing is best in class but its at the point where they are below average in everything except smoke duration and whatever the hell AA is. Guns are mehh with horrid range and lowest fire chance. Reload is now matched by many other DDs. No extra pen values. The gearing needs engine boost to barely outrun cruisers as it sits higher off the water than the petro.
With the amount of radar (and even new stealth-radar ships -_-) nowadays plus the completly screwed up carriers there are very few DDs that are fun to play. And frankly non of the token buffs change any of it for the german DDs.
I may have to reset the KM DDs. I'm 2 more resets away from Ohio. What's the consensus here? Ohio, Siegfried or Colbert? I'm thinking Ohio. Anyone feel differently? 🇺🇸
really, it needs a reload buff. for it's time, it was fine as the inbetween between gearing and shima, but halland, friesland, kleber and the ijn gunboats power crept it
I find myself in a terrible spot with german DDs. My WR with DDs is TERRIBLE (41%), but my PR is amazing. I have a ton of fun with them and have very good games....but can never get the wins
True. When I started on Asia, I learned my lesson on NA and tried to skip Maass as much as possible, partially due to her concealment compared to her range
Z52 is one of the weakest dd in my opinion -decent torp with 14400 max dmg, -decent gun dmg and fire chance, -bad concealment (max 6,1). -crap AA easy rocket target for CV, -what makes outstanding is just the hyrdo to hunt the dd especially inside the smoke/behind island what make actually fun i just usually turn that mini cruiser to gun boat with 14km with Demolition Expert and Advanced Firing Training also turn the AA more deadly, with 14km range i can shoot all ship type in safe distance except SMOLENKS
Sorry Chase, but showing the only decent German DD (even before the buff) doesn't justify German DD line have became fun. Maass still anemic, Z-23 is still a "pass me please" Gaede is still not straight, T-22 is still terrible. This change only helps Z-46 to be more useful against T7-9 match-ups. The line needs an overhaul to make them viable again.
Their manoeuvrability is abysmal. If you are radar'd or cv spotted, good luck to get away. They are mini cruisers unable to hide. No, they are not easy to play in the current radar/cv meta (other DDs also suck for same reason) The damage output is still relatively low if you use guns. Only torps can give you high damage and those are not outstanding. So i feel them as mixed bag. I have only 10-12 point captain so i can not mount AFT and CE at the same time. Which means 90% of the time you are spotted first before you can get into firing range.
@@ichasegaming well, how to get to 19pts first :) I can only play 1-2hr per day and we do not have many German premiums to train caprain...It is more representative to get an average captain in an average game? I play German cruisers, they are good. But higher tier German DD DPM is more situational (Z23 the highest i have). That is quite true for IJN as well, so i am not saying only German DDs have issues.
@@ichasegaming Yeah, my wife is the 19pt commander! (Got her with free XP) Sorry Ichase, did not want to take away the fun - I just took Z23 out again - radar and CV - no fun. But that affected all DDs - what i really feel that maneuverability is so bad that you must design your exit much more advance (same for RU DDs for some extent) that it makes it very situational how long you can survive. I want to love my Z23 but it is hard...
@@hond654 Very nice choice of wife ship. Also yeah, the maneuverability does lead to more planning, that's why when uptiered or when I realize the enemy has radar, I avoid the enemy most of the time until I see an opening. Like a lack of cruisers or a lone DD
TLDR: My Shit tier brain conviced me i had no chance to get better at WOWS, and drowned me in shame at guilt every time i performed badly. I hope to get some therapy,and maybe return to the game in the future. Ah, nostalgia, back when i still played world of warships. When i played the Leberecht Maas. Mind you... i never played well. And it showed, in my stats and how people reacted to my playing. And i mean i was really bad. Died Early all the time, rarely got kills did almost no damage. You know. Typical "not nearly qualified for high tier play" stuff. OK, scratch that. I wasnt qualified for mid tier either, but there are a bunch of people derping around in midtier, so it was less obvious. I tried to learn of course but i just was a huge burden for my team, every time i hit "Battle". I mean being down one DD is really bad. And i felt publicly Humiliated with every scoreboard. Which i know makes little sense but i was pretty sure every player was laughing about how badly i was playing. I know thats BS. People usually dont really care but you tell that to my own shit tier brain. Soon i had convinced myself that i should not make further attempts at getting better because it would mean only more shame for me, and more losses for green team. So i stopped playing. I wish i could tell you how this is a thing of the past. That I got better, and now can play online games for fun, and not with a constant dread of being judged by others. Sadly, that never happened. It only got worse and by now my fear of rejection (which i believe to be the cause of me thinking i am being judged all the time) has really started to cause me issues. Recently I have been looking for a job, but no dice. You know the standart "we regret to inform you that we found someone else" basically. Now, intelectually i know that that happens to everyone. The Problem is, when i got like 3 of those EMails in 2 days, I had a fucking breakdown about it. And was entirely convinced that nobody would ever hire me, and other Panic induced scenarios. And i know that that was a overreaction. even at the time, i knew that. Didnt help though. So now i am on the waiting list for psychotherapy. Its a LOOOONG list though. 6 Months ish he said. My reaction can not be normal. Not getting a job i didnt particularly care for as long as it pays cant affect a healthy human like that, right? Please?
They were butchered when their hydro became regular hydro instead of "German Hydro". It was specially funny when afterwards, Lo Yang received "German Hydro" whilst German ships lost it...
Sincerely, every German ship with hydro should have "uber German Hydro" as a first step to revive them and differentiate them, in the same way they have been progressively been given 1/4 pen rule for their HE...
not complaining really much about the hydro, but I think they should at least buff torp range bcs in current meta with radar and cv everywhere, 10 km torp is just trash
@@ibnu9969 this and maybe a buff to the ap armor so it's actually usable, a buff like short fuses or improved pen angle or better pen overall.
Increased penetration doesn't change the fact that Z-52 has exactly the same HE DPM as Shimakaze - 135k
The German destroyers were one of those ships that they totally never marketed as being good because of their ability to stealth fire, except for when that is precisely what they said about them. They didn't directly nerf the DD's, they nerfed stealth firing across the board and broke the ships before release because they never adjusted them to compensate.
German DDs were always fun to play. Using that long-range hydro to bully DDs out of caps was a blast. The issue was, and remains, that they're kinda weak.
There's still a couple of things that german dds can receive as a buffs.
1- Hydro buff to make them have the best dd hydro at its tier or at least equal. Gaede (5km), Maass and Z-23 (5,5km) and Z-46 (6km)
2- Currently, old dd lines (usn, ijn, vmf and km) have progressive smoke duration, unlike the newer lines which have fixed duration through the tiers. Make the smokes have a fixated number in tier brackets: tier II-V 50s, tier VI-VIII 60s and tier IX-X 70s. Then reduce the reload time of smoke to 120s (instead of 160s). Add +1 smoke charge.
3- 150mm standarization. This one is only for german dds with 150mm as an option. Currently they are the only ones that have different values compared to rest of german ships equiped with these guns. Make these gun's shells have 1900 dmg for HE with 10% fire chance (buff for cruiser and secondary) and keep the 3900 for AP. In exchange, reduce the reload on Gaede and Z-23 to a flat 6s.
These are old ideas i had, as old as the release of RN dds.
Just when I picked the German dd line again and started having a lot of fun with them you upload this video.. Are you my FBI agent or something?
:topsekritcapabilities:
na he is NSA ...FBI is a girl
after playing a couple of battles with z52 since the buff, I'm starting to see it this way
dds: use smoke and hydro to spot them and hope your teammates provide support. z can take the shima line in a knife fight and (maybe) the russian dds, but it lacks the dpm to brawl any other destroyer. you just can't play aggressively against dds anymore.
cruisers: it can handle ijn, french, italian and (so long as it can maintain stealth) non-radar british cruisers. US and russian cruisers can and will give it trouble with all the radar, so use hard cover to deal with them.
bbs: I'm starting to see z52 as a bb killer. use smoke and cover when slinging he and setting fires and you have more than enough stealth to harass them with fast reloading torps.
cvs: aside from fairly good medium-range aa from a dd, carriers will be the bane of your existence (duh). buddy up when you see planes coming and you;ll be somewhat safe.
I always liked the German dds for me they was strong from the start they did have one huge weakness when they first was introduced being the gun firing detection penalty but once they changed that I found them very good I remember one time going up against a full health benson in my mass I was on about half health he showed me his side and I melted him with ap
If only they would buff the Torps and lower the -fuse time on the AP- pen threshold that would be nice.
maybe you dont know, but nowadays, all DDs have short fuse on AP...
British DDs on top, have the better pen angles, which makes them so effective ( but most Darings I am meeting, dont use it either, cause any competetive oponent angles so much, that they would be inefective either )
so no, you are crying on wrong tomb.
@@AdalbertSchneider_ ah yeah my bad, what i meant was lower pen threshold
@@AdalbertSchneider_
actually german DDs AP overpens many DDs so its not always very effective. on the other hand, IJN 100mm DDs GOT the short fuse and always do full pen dmg to DDs which makes their DPM really insane with AP.
i wish german DDs would have a similar trait which will make their AP really insane vs DDs too.
now its not always effective but its deadly vs any other broadside.
@@cobrazax Once more, its not that they owerpen more than other DDs, the fuse is the same for all DDs. Their AP is similar efective against other DDs, than Other DDs AP. plss...🤦♂️
@@AdalbertSchneider_
Thats bullshit. I get many overpens vs dds with them...100mm never gets overpens.
Go test it yourself.
I did and got plenty of overpens even vs a fat dd like z 52, especially when broadside
100mm ijn guns almost NEVER overpen anything
Just how long did it take for the "Spread Sheet" to inform WG what most of the player base knew from the beginning that the German DDs were crap?
The few times I have dipped my toes into DDs I have gone with German as they seem to be the most versatile and I have done ok with them. For a potato player I mean.
Edit: They need to make the Black, White, Red camo permanent.
They do have the Iron Cross permanent camo in the armory. You can get it if you have the tokens
The main problem is that the HE pen did NOT help when fighting DDs, you still have crap DPM. Yes you can translate that crap DPM more effectively to actual DPM on larger targets, but that still is not enough DPM.
AP pen angles would have been a much better buff. Would help fighting all the targets more effectively ... but no, WG does a token buff instead.
Also most of you damage was from torpedoes, so the pen increase does not really translate ...
yes, fighting DDs is a bit rough but that was always the case, but now you have more capabilities against other ships.
which amplifies the fact these are mini cruisers and not DDs. Also try Z23 with 12km guns in a T10 match with 12km radar cruisers. That is more representative nowadays than being top tier.
Almost same as Akizuki and sisters, they are not much special against dds, because even a Fletcher could kill a Kitakaze with guns, or Daring vs Harugumo, or Hayate vs Harugumo. But they are so strong against bbs and cruisers
@@TiOBu4 "because even a Fletcher could kill a Kitakaze with guns". No way Fletcher can kill Kitakaze with guns 1 vs 1.
I used to love DD play, but with CV's being around so much, often two in one game, I went back to cruisers. DD's have low armor and poor AA and until WOW's fixes that, I'll stay with cruisers because of CV's.
They just reworked CV rockets, so that its about 4-5 seconds from the point when a commander clicks to start his attack run, and when the rockets actually fire. This had made it almost impossible to hit maneuvering DDs.
Ive noticed that Z-39 has really good guns for a destroyer. I havent seen any review on youtube for the Z-39.
Umm what? Count how many guns the Z-39 has... Even at t7, it has bad dpm. Good guns definitely isn’t the word I’d use for 3 150 mm guns with a massive 7.5 second reload.
Z-39 actually one of the best t7 dd she have it all hp? 20k not enough? Conceal? 6.1 pretty good for T7 maneuverability? Pretty decent torp? It Mass torp not great but still good gun? That 4x150mm is hit like a truck and she have 5km hydro
makoja read my comment again😂. I never said it wasn’t a good dd, I said you were completely wrong about the guns being great. Also, like I said before, it has 3 guns, not 4, and they stand no chance against most of the other dds guns.
@@liamfreeman1812 she have 4gun you can go check it. I have the ship and i play her quiet often so I quiet confidence in what she have and what she can do and one more thing plz act like I never typed that reply🤣🤣🤣 damn I rarely miss read like this.
makoja whoops you’re right about the 4th gun. Still doesn’t change anything tho. Remember I didn’t say it was a bad dd, just that guns very much aren’t amazing
Having fun in DD?
Wait, that’s illegal
Having fun in German ships?
WG: Wait, that’s illegal
Fix it for you.
I started German DD because I wanted to have Z-52 but all other destroyers before her were deemed to be bad. So I started with Gaede. Everybody said Gaede ain't no good and no fun. I played her with low expectations. Turns out she worked really well. Then I took a few months break of German DDs because "they ain't no good". Then I played Maass, turned out I enjoyed playing her, she was performing well for me. Then I took a few months break of German DDs because "they ain't no good". Then I played Z-23. Turned out she was fun to play and performed well. Then I took a few months break of German DDs because "they ain't no good". Then I played Z-46 and she really worked very well for me. Now I have reached Z-52. I don't know what it is about these DDs but somehow I enjoy playing them and they also deliver. iChase, what am I doing wrong? :-)
And lets not forget about the 15cm guns on Z-23 / Z-39 when u face CLs, who underestimate u at close ranges... those guns can rip apart light cruisers, when caught off guard :)
It's a shame the mid/high tiers lose the nose torps. Those were. Nice addition to the lower tiers.
German DDs rely heavily on consumables, smoke up and Hydro is the default for them Joat and SI are mandatory, the Jutland captains work great. Boost the guns not the torps, 90 sec torp reload is fine and the guns will have 3.5 sec reload making them more competitive
guess what, Z-52 have less HP than Daring.
Daring also have 3 heals
Oof I say
no heals also
Was this from the stream the other day?
I went through the German DD line a second time earlier this year (pre-HE pen buff) and found them to still be enjoyable, at least to me. Obviously, they're not all that competitive compared to some other nations destroyers, but they still make great ambush predators when played right.
1:45 you shot, Harugumo got slapped?
Don't speak to loud, they will get nerfed...
Yeah but was there a CV and radar?
nice timing. I just got the Z 23 and was considering free xp ing to the z52. I like the looks of the German DDs too, and your camo is great, is that the 600 token camo from the carrier event?
Anyone know the name of the outro track? Heard it before but couldn't pin down the name
The guns are reliable. I have been pondering Tier X for destroyers, and have reluctantly given up on the U.S. line: I cannot shoot with the near-earth-orbit arcs of the Fletcher, but have been doing well with the Tier IX Z-whatchacallit (some number) German tin can. (After 6 or 7 thousand games in five years I feel I ought to have at least one other Tier X other than the Des Moines, just as a matter of principle. Too much magic at the high tiers for my taste, but a second ship for Tier X ranked battles would be nice.)
Nah, i stick to my Daring and Jutland. Even with constant nerf, they still strong.
Agreed. RN DDs are the best.
That's why he said that the German DDs weren't very competitive. He only said they were fun and specifically said that they're not strong contenders for any sort of ranked or clan battles.
I have always enjoyed my zerstörers, specially the Z-52 and would love if we got something like a Z-51 as T9 Freemium.
But with the natural power creep in this game they would have needed a slight DPM buff to be competitive vs enemy destroyers.
They have made the transit from dominate playing the objective to a support role and question is if it is time to get AFT on them to get that range going with all Russian railguns on radarplatforms being introduced...
What destroyer lone is very good rn?
really love the new pen of german dds. just remember, always bring a big bro with you to hunt dds, since the low dpm of he of german. then , feel free to spam on large targets, be like a soviet gunbot (flank, try ap if possible, get targeted and disengage) ah, btw, try some low tier soviet dd, and you'll get more exp of when to shoot and when to run, lol.
I would love some type of buff to late tier USN DDs. I get as a hybrid nothing is best in class but its at the point where they are below average in everything except smoke duration and whatever the hell AA is. Guns are mehh with horrid range and lowest fire chance. Reload is now matched by many other DDs. No extra pen values. The gearing needs engine boost to barely outrun cruisers as it sits higher off the water than the petro.
Can you do a video on how to play German Cruiser PLZ ?
That low dpm is just too painful. If you want a gunboat dd to melt bbs play kitakaze instead.
Thanks Chase. Yes tiers 5 and 7 were horribad.
Can I haz my z-52 with 150mm guns?
How about RN DDs iChase?
Super thanks for your vids!
They're awesome ASW ships with that hydro XD I love hunting subs down with them.
Can you do a USS Colorado guise and a brutish destroyer guide. And if you can do another do pan Asian destroyer guide
With the amount of radar (and even new stealth-radar ships -_-) nowadays plus the completly screwed up carriers there are very few DDs that are fun to play. And frankly non of the token buffs change any of it for the german DDs.
Tried playing my dust collector aka gaede. No fun found.
Aw, German DD is fun now
try to play Leberecht Maass
Wait, this was last night? What is a Slava doing in game!?
Z 46 is my favourite destroyer tbh
WG sees this video.... buffs Slava armor back to Kremlin levels.
*sees title*
_Im gonna pretend I didnt see that_
are you a developer?
actually 1/4 pen of 150mm is 37.5mm so i dont think they can pen US BBs
I’ve been racking up 100k games in my T9 KM DD!
I may have to reset the KM DDs. I'm 2 more resets away from Ohio. What's the consensus here? Ohio, Siegfried or Colbert? I'm thinking Ohio. Anyone feel differently? 🇺🇸
What I don't enjoy at all is grozovoi, I grinded that thing purely bc of looks
still Z52 need buffs, if they give this ship a Heal and give her the same concealment as the Z46 then it would be lot better
really, it needs a reload buff. for it's time, it was fine as the inbetween between gearing and shima, but halland, friesland, kleber and the ijn gunboats power crept it
I find myself in a terrible spot with german DDs. My WR with DDs is TERRIBLE (41%), but my PR is amazing. I have a ton of fun with them and have very good games....but can never get the wins
I remember this, sat's slava
Improve the AP pen angle would be nice.
not needed when you have great HE pen already
The real stinker is the concealment, at least at T7 (6.7 km) and T8 (6.2). Hydro only helps you so much when you're outspotted by 500 m
It gets better at 8+, the 7 I found a bit rough as well
True. When I started on Asia, I learned my lesson on NA and tried to skip Maass as much as possible, partially due to her concealment compared to her range
Soo stupidly absurd OP!
Z52 is one of the weakest dd in my opinion
-decent torp with 14400 max dmg,
-decent gun dmg and fire chance,
-bad concealment (max 6,1).
-crap AA easy rocket target for CV,
-what makes outstanding is just the hyrdo to hunt the dd especially inside the smoke/behind island
what make actually fun i just usually turn that mini cruiser to gun boat with 14km with Demolition Expert and Advanced Firing Training also turn the AA more deadly, with 14km range i can shoot all ship type in safe distance except SMOLENKS
its AP is deadly vs any thick ship with its very high dmg of 1000 per pen.
slava：please dont torp me D:
Meanwhile Z35.....
I love them even when thery are "bad" but is still hard to play Germans when Wargaming is suck a racist company with them
DD's suck now I think, wargaming is just interested in selling premium BB's :S
Sorry Chase, but showing the only decent German DD (even before the buff) doesn't justify German DD line have became fun. Maass still anemic, Z-23 is still a "pass me please" Gaede is still not straight, T-22 is still terrible. This change only helps Z-46 to be more useful against T7-9 match-ups. The line needs an overhaul to make them viable again.
We all just gonna ignore that causal Slava cameo
you know
Cool now give them a heal so the daring isn’t doing German stuff better than the Germans
No no no no, this can not be true, Flamu still says they are trash, so iChase must be clearly lying!!!!!!111
Their manoeuvrability is abysmal. If you are radar'd or cv spotted, good luck to get away. They are mini cruisers unable to hide. No, they are not easy to play in the current radar/cv meta (other DDs also suck for same reason) The damage output is still relatively low if you use guns. Only torps can give you high damage and those are not outstanding. So i feel them as mixed bag. I have only 10-12 point captain so i can not mount AFT and CE at the same time. Which means 90% of the time you are spotted first before you can get into firing range.
So how about you get to 19 points, have a complete build first and then judge the line
@@ichasegaming well, how to get to 19pts first :) I can only play 1-2hr per day and we do not have many German premiums to train caprain...It is more representative to get an average captain in an average game? I play German cruisers, they are good. But higher tier German DD DPM is more situational (Z23 the highest i have). That is quite true for IJN as well, so i am not saying only German DDs have issues.
Yeah, the first 19 pointer is the most difficult unfortunately, gets better afterwards when you get elite commander exp
@@ichasegaming Yeah, my wife is the 19pt commander! (Got her with free XP) Sorry Ichase, did not want to take away the fun - I just took Z23 out again - radar and CV - no fun. But that affected all DDs - what i really feel that maneuverability is so bad that you must design your exit much more advance (same for RU DDs for some extent) that it makes it very situational how long you can survive. I want to love my Z23 but it is hard...
@@hond654 Very nice choice of wife ship.
Also yeah, the maneuverability does lead to more planning, that's why when uptiered or when I realize the enemy has radar, I avoid the enemy most of the time until I see an opening.
Like a lack of cruisers or a lone DD
Superior German engineering
NO SHSHHHHHHHHHHH, Anything german cannot be fun ffs. What if Weegee finds out?!?
TLDR: My Shit tier brain conviced me i had no chance to get better at
WOWS, and drowned me in shame at guilt every time i performed badly.
I hope to get some therapy,and maybe return to the game in the future.
Ah, nostalgia, back when i still played world of warships. When i played the Leberecht Maas.
Mind you... i never played well. And it showed, in my stats and how people reacted to my playing.
And i mean i was really bad. Died Early all the time, rarely got kills did almost no damage. You know. Typical "not nearly qualified for high tier play" stuff. OK, scratch that. I wasnt qualified for mid tier either, but there are a bunch of people derping around in midtier, so it was less obvious. I tried to learn of course but i just was a huge burden for my team, every time i hit "Battle". I mean being down one DD is really bad. And i felt publicly Humiliated with every scoreboard. Which i know makes little sense but i was pretty sure every player was laughing about how badly i was playing. I know thats BS. People usually dont really care but you tell that to my own shit tier brain.
Soon i had convinced myself that i should not make further attempts at getting better because it would mean only more shame for me, and more losses for green team. So i stopped playing.
I wish i could tell you how this is a thing of the past. That I got better, and now can play online games for fun, and not with a constant dread of being judged by others.
Sadly, that never happened. It only got worse and by now my fear of rejection (which i believe to be the cause of me thinking i am being judged all the time) has really started to cause me issues.
Recently I have been looking for a job, but no dice. You know the standart "we regret to inform you that we found someone else" basically. Now, intelectually i know that that happens to everyone. The Problem is, when i got like 3 of those EMails in 2 days, I had a fucking breakdown about it. And was entirely convinced that nobody would ever hire me, and other Panic induced scenarios. And i know that that was a overreaction. even at the time, i knew that.
Didnt help though.
So now i am on the waiting list for psychotherapy. Its a LOOOONG list though. 6 Months ish he said.
My reaction can not be normal. Not getting a job i didnt particularly care for as long as it pays cant affect a healthy human like that, right? Please?
Whole game sucks these days!