NovelAI Leak: The first big Stable Diffusion Community Drama and the Banning of AUTOMATIC1111
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- Опубликовано: 9 окт 2022
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A powerful, anime focused text-to-image model belonging to NovelAI (novelai.net/) was leaked on October 6 2022. AUTOMATIC1111, a prominent Stable Diffusion community member made it easier for people to use the leaked code, and was banned from the highly active Stable Diffusion discord as well as some other associated discords on October the 8th. We interviewed AUTOMATIC1111 to get his side of the story.
There is a lot of discussion at the moment over whether the ban was warranted, but in my opinion there were sound business reasons behind it and AUTOMATIC1111 doesn't seem overly concerned with his being banned in any case.
Immense thanks to PeePa for doing like most of the research. He did not write the script all the opinions expressed here are my own so please yell at me and not him if you think this video is bad.
Discord where you can yell at me if you think this video is bad: / discord
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One day, we will have a website like R34 but we replace the search section with prompt instead.
check out elon over here...
nooooooooooooo
I don't know man. AI that strips the illustrators' artworks with no regards for intellectual property doesn't make it easy for people to feel bad when that AI is stripped from the company's database and people download it with no regards for intellectual property.
yeah, I can appreciate the irony lol
@@AnnasVirtual Dall-E 2 is kinda boring.
*_Three things I learned from this drama:_*
*1:* AI code that took about a day to create with hired engineers that will never be recognized for the work is under copyright for the company. As if _they_ made it.
*2:* AI artwork that takes an artist a full day to make after iterations, prompt manipulations, In-Painting, and they still can't copyrighted their work....
*3:* That I could care less about "their" code being "stolen" because 1 + 2 = 3.
If the engineers and artists wants to copyright their work, why don't they start a company?
@@frankkong3235 a crazy idea right? Realistically though, it would have been far harder for a bunch of broke/unfunded artists/programmers to start a company on their own (though still possible with collbarative individuals and strong spending discipline).
stable diffusion being open source is so cool.
novel ai being open source is even cooler ;)
Lol what a roast
This may be an unpopular opinion but I want all boobies to be free. NovelAI not being open source kept a lot of boobies trapped. However if they never had a financial incentive to make NovelAI in the first place. We would not have had any of these boobies. They gave birth to a whole new world of boobies. But as soon as your do create them you have responsibility to set them free. They can keep there subscription plan for those people who don't have powerful enough PC to run NOVELAI Diffusion. Or for those who don't understand how to setup there own AI etc. And even SD has it's own site still. So it appears as though a lot of people still pay for access. But I believe they should have planned for it to be open source from the start. lol Maybe after 1-2 years to regain the cost of development etc. But I feel like it being leaked is justice. I know that sounds bad. But when I think of the poor confined boobies I just weep.
And when it's open source it's more customize-able, it's more untapped and free. It's the #1 anime style AI out there. Dalle 2, MJ, Waifu Diffusion and SD all seem to be worse in my opinion. However some of those have a few pros that NovelAI may not have. However in the grand scheme of things only Waifu Diffusion holds up at all.
The next model the planned 14-16GB VRAM SD Model. I want to see what people can do to train it on anime. I wonder if the already existing crack of Novel AI can be used at all in the next SD Release? lol If not we need NovelAI to re-develop a new model. Maybe they can host like a gofundme or something and when the goal is reached they develop an open source NOVELAI Diffusion 2.0. I do not expect this to happen. However if they try to make another inhouse only model I want it leaked too. But I would pay over $100 towards funding an even better model if it's open source. I'm about to buy a 4080 16GB. Lets hope the next SD model works with 16GB or less. If not it will be years before I have over 16GB VRAM.
@@MrArrmageddon bad news for you. stable diffusion is done releasing anything NSFW. their next model release will be completely censored
@@stephenkamenar That is disappointing. But clothed is still acceptable. And hopefully people can still train there own NSFW models but if not we will just have to make do with what we already have for now. Thanks for the info. lol
Having your entire IP that makes you worth anything leaked is a bit of a meme
very non-ideal lol, RIP
I"P".
not their property.
@@Bloom_HD but they trained it. although they are stealing artists hard work for training
@@Bos_Meong that's not the only problem. They also used open source code for their project.
They used freely available code to train a model on images they didn't have the rights to. Nothing about it is "proprietary" no matter how many people like you make excuses
@@Bloom_HD im not making excuse lmao. i agree with all you said. im just saying there might be some points that could justify what they did
Thanks for taking the time to put this together... WI saw bits n pieces on reddit / discord and wandered what the heck was going on. This was a gret non-biased explanation.
I hate submitting to whataboutism, buuuuuut... if there's any credence to the claims about NovelAI's exploits (i.e. ignoring Danbooru artists' requests to opt out of their models and even going as far as scraping exclusive, copyrighted Patreon content (which has to be illegal...?)), the widespread user support for AUTOMATIC1111 goes further than him simply being a renegade underdog.
If I ever get serious enough to graduate from using Colabs, I'm leaning more towards using his repo (sans any leaked code). Again, if the claims are true, NovelAI only care about their bottom line and will happily breach the copyright of individual, not-wealthy artists to do so.
I 100% CANNOT speak for NovelAI, perhaps they're a bunch of wankers, but they HAVE to make a huge show of force right now or nobody is going to take them seriously and that could put them at risk.
As a company who just had a serious leak they're basically forced to come out swinging to preserve themselves.
@@lewingtonn Oh, for sure - they're a for-profit organisation. I wouldn't expect any different. You've done a solid job in providing a balanced and entertaining analysis, so thanks for that!
Their model is fully trained on scraped data from Danbooru with a ton of exclusive content that others uploaded there, no opt-out system or any way of checking if your art has been used. So their model is trained on data they don't have rights or license for using, which in the industry means you can't commercialize the trained models since you need full license on the data, but since it's so many small artists they can't easily do any lawsuit either regarding it.
Listen everyone is complaining about people using copyrighted work. Caring about the bottom line. How NOVELAI deserved this because of how all AI's steal from original artists etc. Here is how I feel. I respect original artists. Real art is amazing. AI is nearly as amazing at times. But it's different. I like anyone who tries to expand AI Art development. That goes for the main steams developers like Team MJ etc, that goes for Team NOVELAI directly. And that goes fort he people who stole the NOVELAI Model and leaked it. I like them all. I want AI to advance and I'm willing to look past anything shady involved. If I was an artist I would let them use my art. I will even pay to support development. Closed or open source but open source is way better.
It's the path to the future I say. And even more importantly I think about all the boobies! Unlimited boobies... When AI art is dragged into the courtroom. Whoever is arguing on the side of AI. Be it an individual who used the art and is somehow being sued for it. Or maybe it will be the AI company itself like MJ or SD being sued by like a stock photo company. Who knows Lawsuit dismissed.
isn't this like the 2nd time NovelAI leaked everything they had? Can't wait to see the drama 3rd leak.
Nah, you're thinking of AI Dungeon
Either way, hypernetworks seem very promising, the new update on Automatic1111's webui allows you to train the model with your own images (different from dreambooth or textual inversion style training). So it's progress nevertheless, I wonder if it would have been kept under the rug otherwise only to profit from. Cause there will be closed source technologies related to this which we will have to pay for, which would in turn hinder the progress of the open source free market.
Nice summary. A few hints:
* please up your speech volume and maybe reduce background music vol
* suggest to not put important content like screenshots of discussion around the lower edge of the screen: when we pause YT to read the text, YT's UI will be drawn on top of it.
oooh, good point
No, AUTOMATIC1111 did not leak the code, he just implemented the new information. If AUTOMATIC1111 had made available, the model trained by NovelAI then he could be held accountable.
The problem is the training data that got leaked, and that is the most of the hard work NovelAI did. You can use the trained model with, or without, Automatic's implementations.
I completely understand the frustration of NovelAI, but they hit on the wrong target, the one that leaked the code is who they should go after.
Wait, didn't I explicitly say that there's no evidence that he leaked the code??
@@lewingtonn You did!
I find it ironic that they are this protective of their code but have zero qualms with stealing artists artwork without credit, without asking for use rights, and even so much now people can steal artists styles to make their AI art. While granted I don't think anyone should steal code, the elephant in the room is still there. I think all of this just proves that AI will eventually take over everything, including proprietary code. Like they tell artist like myself now, AI art tools are here to stay. I either adapt or get left behind. Code will be the same. Can't wait for copyright laws and patent laws to get updated to protect these large corporations from losing their proprietary code. Who cares about the little guy right? Governments won't be able to keep up IMO.
It's normal if you think about it a bit, people are not interested in the work of others but when they play theirs uff. For me, let them filter everything they can from these shits that used content that did not belong to them without any consent
Screw NovelAI, screw Satbilty AI. I cannot care less for them. It is AUTOMATIC that made possible I can run SD on my machine. He is a sort of the Morpheus figure in this regard - and of course the corpoarte "agents" are after him - no matter if he did or did not anything. For me he is the Name behind the open source use of this AI. God bless him. Long live the king!
Don't screw Stability AI, they're the ones who created Stable Diffusion and also made it possible to run on your machine - you just had to be a programmer to use it pretty much. AUTOMATIC1111 made it easy for people to use by creating the WebUI. I have no idea why NovelAI are going after him instead of the people who actually leaked their model.
you have no idea lol stability ai is the one who invented stablediffusion, the core of image generating technology
Gods made fire. Prometheus stole and gave it to the people.
@@Bos_Meong I get it, but seems they create it to support their own agendas, their own personal interest. I dont care nor give credit to gods for creating the fire, I salute Prometheus who gave it to us.
@@KillFrenzy96 But they do not go after the people who leaked it, they go after AUTOMATIC1111. And given that, using the Matrix analogy, you dont give any credit to people or machines who created the Matrix, because true heroes are the people who cracked it free from control of machines (symbolically Stability AI or any corporate artificial authority or entity).
Dude, that was a great explanation of what is going on.
Thank you for explaining, I was a bit lost. English isn't my first language and tech stuff isn't even my third language, so everything was a bit confusing, lol.
It's funny how novel AI is complaining about their codes being stolen when their whole product was created by stealing art from the internet.
The SD discord is still great popcorn material if you're early
so how do I get Stable Diffusion?
Should do what forge did when Minecraft got mad at them and just rewrite the code and made it tons better. That was a mega slap in the face of Microsoft’s egos 😊
Do any one of us have the right to complain. Last I checked these ai models are trained of other peoples hard work, who are not happy about it. I dont think automatic should be punished if there are certain conditions....
Was this hyper thing something that people were eventually gonna learn about from starry ai or was it patented to stable or Nobel ai. Unless its patented code or tech, it's no one but novel ai fault for loosing there edge, in this fast developing space
It sucks there code got leaked, but everyone involved in ai art is using stolen workn(sorry I dont mean to sound harsh using stolen, just getting my point across) and nothing goes back to the creators just they used to train their models.
anybody else getting a Windows defender alert of a trojan from the novelai magnet on rentry?
I don't plan on using the leaked NovelAI models; but the way they've been treating Automatic pushes me away from giving them any money.
Even if it turns out Automatic did cross some line according to fine-print in copyright laws or whatever, which I'm not convinced he did; there's a big difference between what a company is legally allowed to do, and what they should do to not look like assholes.
I do, it’s pretty good ngl
@@hiroko_9779 im in the process of downloading. is it the same as on the web? if it is thats insane because i already tried it but fuck the anlas burns so fast. They should made it a monthly subscription instead of capitalizing it by finite amount of token per use.
@@Bos_Meong did you ever get it to work and run? Is it exactly like the website?
@@Saikami21 yes i tried it today, it works 100% and run exactly like novelai, even down to the UI.
@@Bos_Meong Haha. So did I. After fiddling for it about 30 mins i got it to exactly like novel's. Fucking amazing.
i don't like agreeing with a dude on 4chan, but yeah, fuck the companies, power to the people, seize the means of waifu production!
we wouldn't have to do this if i didn't have to BUY the opportunity to BUY what we need to actually generate the art
Cool video and nice story telling.
im hope dall-e and hj get stolen next. i would gladly pay for a product but this cost per image crap is dumb. first we had subscription based billing Adobe, but now we have per image cost and censorship... SD is not releasing updates. these guys are all screwed up.
Thanks for sharing
wow I had no clue all of this was going on
Amed publicly made his apology! All good now! hehehehehe Let's continue! Shall we?
novelai uses leaked artworks, yet complain when someone uses their leak code. Huge double standards.
Honestly speaking, both of what novelai and AUTOMATIC1111 do is pretty dubious. But I support AUTOMATIC1111 far more because at least they stand true by their morals and don't pretend like they're morally superior while pulling strings behind peoples back.
please, could you normalize your sound? too quiet
the banning of auto was cringe and that whole drama was stupid.
Much respect to AUTOMATIC1111 people like him is a pillars of society. Shame to novelAI calling them capitalist pigs would be horrible offence towards pigs. Disappointed on stabilityai actions, they did good thing in past, and it is a pity to see them collaborating with evil.
that seems like such an extreme, viewpoint, the people at NovelAI are probably under a lot of pressure to put up a good show of force, and they're mostly not doing anything untoward as far as I can see.
@@lewingtonn NovelAI is practically hated by the entire artist community for using ripped / scraped data for their model and trying to commercialize it heavily after the big hype of A.I art. No opt-outs, no way of seeing if they used your art specifically, not having any license or rights to the data which means the model can't be commercialized... NovelAI basically begged for this to happen.
@@QuantumAnime I had no idea, thanks!
@@QuantumAnime yeah they basically stealing entire artist on the internet art without consent. It should never be commercialized
@@lewingtonn yeah I know a number of artists (if you hang around r/Hololive, r/GenshinImpact or r/arknights you've probably seen their art) and a lot of them are furious about novelai. They weren't informed, no opt-out, no credit and it's not even open source but a paid service trained on their leaked artworks. Of course they're furious about them
So I wasn't gonna touch the novelai code
but now that I know how pathetic they are
Can someone lead me to it :)
guys I'm really sorry, I'm going to have to delete any comments showing anyone how to actually access the code, I'm already treading on thin ice just covering this stuff, please don't get me banned!!!
I heard you can find magnets on Google; but it would be "illegal" to actually do anything with that info, so to comply with the law I should tell everyone to not do it.
@@TiagoTiagoT how big is It? I'm not on my computer right now but I'd like to save it.
Also any keywords to look for?
@@Bloom_HD I'm not sure how much room I would have to communicate any info about finding magnet links for the novelai leak on google if I wanted to (which I don't because that would be illegal). If you're curious about sizes, from what I've read, the first that came out was was about 52GiB, and pt2 of the novelai leak which supposedly has the text models and some other code and stuff, was something like about 124GiB; doesn't look like people care much about pt2. Not sure what else I would be allowed to say.
🦆 🦆 go 🧲
NovelAI leaked an outdated model hoping to score a win against their open source competition. (SD can already generate amazing "waifu" art just fine.) AUTOMATIC1111 was the #1 target, but whoever gets big after him will be next.
Nai and sd devs are friends and work together on many projects
@@Aeloi Well, this is the 2nd time it's happened. Let's wait for the 3rd. SD's business model depends on the engagement of the open source community. (With "friends" like this, who needs enemies?)
I mean. Emad made an issue and apologized, it was verified by stable diffusion moderators as genuine. Hes been unbanned.
true, though that happened AFTER this video was made haha
Hmm It seems that the leak is NovelAI risponisibility. If they depend on a software, and get that sofwate leak. Then that's their problem. Also relying on a software like this in these days is risky because of.. well.. AI.
Dude wth did the vietnamese saviour do to you mane 😭😭😭😭😭
1:55 not a permissive license it's a editorial licence! it even says you can not even uses it for the wrong politics.
this behavior shows what the end goal of stability or emad is - it's more about profits and less about humanity
Just a moment.... *mash mash* git pull *mash mash*
I respect these guy's property rights as much as they respected the rights of artists.
Seems like AUTOMATIC1111's github is gone. Getting a 404
he's gone rogue.
3:56 not that big of a deal... look was this leak "legal" if your business model was based around the public paying you to use Ai gen services it was a bad business model sure maybe it's entertaining at this point in history but it's new. More likely any business model was based around commerical use, companies and business will still pay some one to legitimize the image use. now that does not mean they will not just pay plusable denyable "artist" that uses the illegal ai for insperation. note all of these companies thought they would be the death of freelancers artist now they are up set when a leak means the freelancers artist will replace them. making their reseach companies only get as big or last only as long as their first ideological/disgruntled employee. small lean start ups that will not take over the world but only fill a niche, that's the new landscape.
I think the guy was normal. He did not spread the code, just added code that helps running ANYTHING that uses the same tech - including the leaked stuff. This has no direct correlation with the leaked stuff. If this would be a 3d model that is leaked and you make a 3ds importer "just in time" it cannot be illegal - sorry...
Also the thumbnail contrain Ho Chi Minh!
nsfw content - unstable diffusion - 4chan still a thing...all news to me
Talk about musaish steal using novelAI
wait what is this?? Sounds interesting
In Japan a lot of illustlaters are afraid of losing their jobs.
We have to think about how to live
with AI．
its also a great tool for reference. Im using it now to get some nice ideas.
also help me make background (i cant draw backround Lmao)
Oh that tea was HOT ☕👀
Make videos shorter, have less emphatic crap start, and have more substance. Also, less of a visual mess, if I keep skipping time and it's still messy because of random memes, I will end skipping the entire video.
Tell the situation with a basic intro on what happened, and link more information in the description, remember we are not discussing or interacting with you in the video, it's you talking, so mind flow will become brain fart in less than a minute.
After that the content is good.
Yeah, I was thinking that. I should have just done a quick summary of known events and then done some speculation at the end rather than interweaving the two... we cranked this one out super fast though.
oh, also there is a LOT of info in the timeline
Hey I'm srs about that poll: like this comment if you think he was trolling 😑
I'll like it anyways
W Automatic 1111
Wait, what?! All this drama is only about a leaked model, that can generate slightly better anime girls?! Is there that big demand for this kind of art?
Slightly better is a bit of an understatement. I watched a side-by-side comparison by AItreupreneur and the output generated by NovelAI is significantly better, can hardly be distinguished as AI art in many cases.
@@VitreousHearts can it generate a normal art or photos, not anime?
@@KlimovArtem1 The comparison I saw was with respect to anime images, so I suspect its improvement primarily centers about anime.
This kind of art? dude anime art is literally biggest thing on the internet and people make living out of it.
@@Bos_Meong but it looks so bad! Triangle faces, exaggerated eyes, childish features mixed with some screwed sexuality...
admin only told automatic1111 he's a racist, because he is.
I feel like NovelAI doing guerilla marketing in 4chan is not a pass for stealing code from the leaks. Automatic guy could have asked NovelAI for permission to implement hypernetworks thing tho, all would be well in the end.
Do you remember the guy who made JSTOR public for a while and got jailed...
Yeah... Stealing is stealing. You should not help thieves or have your name called next to theirs.
AUTOMATIC1111 did not steal anything, or made available stolen information.
@@loubakalouba I didn't say he did. He enables the use of a stolen digital good though. Thus helps the criminals and has his ne called next to them. This is also criminal, whether he knew it or not.
@@greendsnow there's a distinction between stealing and morality then. When laws are outdated sometimes you need to break them to exact justice.
@@Bloom_HD judges don't see it this way, and I can assure that testing that will not end good.