This is super helpful, thanks! I'm still wrestling with sticky vs DOT when I change tires this winter. I got conflicting opinions at Trail Hero, which just parallels your thought of, it depends on the rig and the style. Penny is primarily rail-driven, but must be drivable to those trails--up to about 100 miles 1 way (our own requirement). i've never had stickies before, so I don't quite know what I'm getting into. I hadn't considered that the breaks you had were because of the tires, but it makes perfect sense. More thought needed, but I am coming up on needing to make a choice soon... Thanks for the thoughts, Hollie!
So the Mickeys literally disintegrate on the road. There is no way to keep the heat out of them at speed (45 MPH - do not go higher for extended periods) - the BFGs can be taken to a higher pressure to minimize the contact and they will do better, but not by much. If you want to drive your rig 100+ miles each way on pavement (especially at Highway speeds) you need a DOT tire. None of the sticky’s are really appropriate 😕. Consider the KM3 39 or the 37” Blue Label Krawler - which is the DOT version of my tire 😀🤙🏻
@@MischiefMakerTV That's really what I was thinking--thank you for confirming! Denver to Buena Vista or Leadville is about as far as I'm comfortable driving her on the road, and that does seem to be out of reach for stickies. Thank you thank you!
Regardless of brand we highly suggest that you don't use a tru sticky compund on pavment. The heat generated at even the slowest of road speeds is not good for them.
Manufacturing has changed so much from when you started.. it's only honest to find that which fits you.. relationships change. Doesn't mean you despise the last one.. it just means you and Mischief Maker have found another level more suited to your rig and yourself. Keep a clear mind about that dear!
We enjoyed watching you video. It was the first video of yours we've had the pleasure of watching and we found it very informative and enjoyable. We see you slightly mention us in your video... You should give the 43" Super Swamper TSL/SX Sticky a try. After all, it is the gold standard and one of the original sticky tires. It is not a mud a tire. It was actually developed with the hammer trails and Moab in mind. Our legacy of having the most dominat mud tires on the market always thows folks off I guess, but we are far more than a mud tire company and a lot of the urban legends are true, but some are so untrue it's laughable. Reach out to us if you ever want to chat.
Good job Holly. And you do your job and playing around nicely. For the good cup of tea and a bagel cream cheese and slices of avocado.😋😋🤙🏾✌🏽👍🏽🤘🏾🤚🏽💪🏽🤗😘🙋🏽♂️😊😎
very nice explanation on tires ! love watching your videos and have been binge watching for several months now and love you, Walt and MM y'all rock! Still waiting to buy some merch like hats!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Keep up the awesome videos and wheelin
My cousin had a 85 f 150 4x4 and we put a 4inch lift on it and 44 inch mud tires and you might guess the noise they made on the road sounds like a b 17 bomber at 60 mph, great video keep up the good work God bless from GA and stay safe
A lot of people get caught up in what tire the big name people are running, and then think those are the only tires you can run. I’d say the biggest names are Milestar, BFG, Mickey, and Nitto. They all have their own pros and cons. And there’s other brands out there that work as well. Swampers, Cooper, Goodyear, etc. I think the BFGs work better on your rig then the mickeys did.
Love how neutral you were. Had real problems with the km3 sidewalls. I will say that I don’t prefer having to go to a larger wheel to run 42’s on red labels. 17” wheel is my sweet spot. Good info on how the stickies can cause more damage
Thanks! There’s good and bad on both sides. I’ve never lost a tire on the trail MT or BFG. Maybe that’s just another advantage of having less than 200HP 🤣
Your absolutely right. There's far to many variables between so many tires. At the end of the day the Name doesn't matter and you should use what suits your terrain choice,rig,and driving style 👍🏻🏴
Few people have the luxury of having a dedicated off-road rig, so whatever tire you decide on, you're living with on your daily driver. A friend put Super Swampers on a Ford F-350. I cautioned him that wet traction on-road was going to be bad and that they were going to be noisy. They were both, loud to the point as you pointed out, you couldn't hold a conversation inside the truck, and on wet pavement, you better anticipate traffic lights, as they didn't stop on wet roads. Oh, and the ride was like a buck board on square wheels. I like BFG tires, though at times unless you plan in advance you might have to purchase something different (thanks COVID) I used the predecessor to the KO2's back when they were called just the TA or AT. I'm not a off-road person, just someone that wants to go no matter the weather. As long as the tire has good wet weather traction and cleans snow from the tread, while being quiet, I'm good.
So that was the absolute first thing we noticed. It was so nice having conversations in the Jeep after we switched 😂. And I used to run some 37” KM2s and the few times I was able to go snow wheeling, I did notice a major difference with how well my friends on KO2s were performing out on the trails. Great example of how the terrain and conditions can dictate what tire/tread pattern is best!
For me here in Alaska using on my 2 door JLR I use them for daily driver, trails, and all seasons. I still swear by my 37x12.5 BFG KM3’s (non sticky), with custom sipes in the center 6” of tread. This covers driving on ice, hard pack snow, deep snow up to 24”, mud and slush, mild rocks, as well as pavement.
Up here in Oregon I've found that all lug tires are good for is howling going down the road! Wheeling up in the mountains is on volcanic rock, that stuff will grab a hold of just about any tread! and over on the coast in the sand lug tires just dig holes!
I can’t wait to wheel in Oregon. Some folks have the same sentiment here in Sand Hollow. The sand and traction out here tends to favor more consistent tread patterns and lots of people are basically content running all terrain tires.
Thanks Holly, very informative. I have the BFG KM3 tires on my truck and have had great luck so far. Way better than my old Yokahamas! I sell mostly rural real estate in Western Washington State so I have rocks, mud, sand and snow and ice to deal with. This will be my first winter on them so fingers crossed.
Tore the sidewall out on mine three times in ok. Just took them in for vulcanizing and back to work. To me the traction out wieghed the down fall of the sidewall.
You nailed it. What you run for tires depends on what you do with you rig. I use a all around 33" mud tire as my Jk as a daily driver that spends most of it's time an the black top. I snicker when folks complain about tire life on their rigs when they are running tires designed for off road and they spend 90% of the time on the highway. They look cool but I and most folks don't have that much money to spend just to look good. I make up the lack of tire performance with a good winch, it's a lot cheaper.
Good video. I live on the east coast and wheel regularly and have been impressed by both tires in different situations. I like the fact that you mentioned how they’re totally different animals. In my experience, the Baja pro X seem to work better on lighter vehicles and like you said, are a better competitor for the TSL SX or even the USD sticky. I wheel primarily at Windrock, Harlan, Sandmines, AOP, etc. I would love to see a direct comparison of the 40” Baja Boss X and the 39” Reds. I run the 40” Baja Boss and have loved them in everything from the East TN slop, dry rocks to Sand Hollow and Moab. They just hook up in all conditions and have been the best tire I’ve ran to date. We’ve seen quite a bit of sidewall failures on the KM3’s and the Red’s out here, but that may be just driver error, who knows. At the end of the day, run what works best for you and your particular vehicle and driving style and be happy!
It actually amazes me how some folks put tires on the back burner when building their rig. Rubber is your primary traction device. Lockers are important, but having the right runner for your rig, primary/preferred terrain, and wheeling style is probably the most important thing! 😀🤘🏻
Hi Pretty!!! Saw you in real life at UTV Takeover... the "Picture" I took did not come out☹But maybe the next event your at in Utah I will hopefully see you again Jeep was looking great I too run only BFG's they seem to work so good over rocky tough terrain here in Utah USA.
Hollie, by the sounds of it we may never see Mischiefmaker wearing a set of treps. I would love to hear how the treps did and how you compare the three.
I know a few folks who run Treps, but not many. From what I hear they make an excellent tire. I think those would be lower on my list of possibilities. For me personally, if I couldn’t run Red Label Krawlers, I’d probably opt for some K-spec’s next and then treps would be third option.
Agreed. The bfgs are a better tire for what you do. The mickey Thompson's probably do a little better in sand and mud. I switched from hankook mts to goodyear duratracs and they are more balanced for off/ on road. Its all about what you do most with the vehicle.
Precisely! The Mickeys were great in the mud. I found that they would dig a bit more than I cared for in the sand and with obstacles that had sand at the base. Finding a truly good mixed used all terrain is difficult…I’m glad you found something that works for you!
After wheeling at Harlan with you guys, I decided to get some Mickey Thompson 40s.. and honestly, unfortunately, I wish I wouldn't have. The offset tread pattern is definitely noticeable both on and off the road. I really wish I could get some BFG 39 KM3s, but ya know, 750+ per tire is a bit out of reach at the moment... not to mention availability!
Hey Hollie! Love the content! In your opinion what tire would you recommend for the Northeast coast wheeling? We are currently running The 43” Pro X & 42” Iroks & love them both . Both rigs are on ECGS built 1 tons & V8s. Always willing to try something different if they work better. Thanks again for your input/time & making such great content for us to enjoy.
So my very first trip on the BFGs was a rainy wheeling weekend at Rausch Creek and the sticky’s kinda surprised me with how well they worked right out of the box, especially in the thin slimy mud they have in the coal region of PA. I don’t have a ton of experience with the KM3, but I will be running that DOT tire on the rig we’ll be building on the channel the next few weeks, so more to come there. I did run it’s predecessor, the KM2, for a long time and had a great experience in the NE. If you wheel in places like PA, Ohio and New Hampshire I can say pretty confidently that you’ll have a great experience with the KM3 (DOT - for mixed use) or the Red Label Krawler (Sticky - dedicated trail rig).
@@MischiefMakerTV sounds great! Thanks for your input! I’ll be looking into the Reds before the spring wheeling season it sounds like. You never know how they work till you know!
This video made me tired...lol I run km2 on three of my vehicles and was running MT on my rock truck, love them. Now I just put M16 on my rock truck. Awesome in mud haven't had a chance on rocks yet. Reds are big money sure look awesome on rigs. Thinking about getting me some reds for my next outing.
For sure, the initial expense of the Reds can be shocking…but still worth it when you move on to your second set. I’ve seen bald Reds with steel showing go for $350-400 each 😂
Hollie, when you said "east coast vrs west coast" It made me want to ask you a question, Have you ever wheeled out here in the Pacific Northwest ? Oregon or Washington on the VERY west side like in Tillamook or Evans Creek or Reiter hills or Tahuya State Forest or Walker evans ?
You could also be breaking axles because different tires and compounds can use different air pressures. Breaking traction is typically less expensive than breaking parts and increasing pressure just enough to lose that bit of traction helps. For what it's worth - I like the look of Chief on the Mickeys but would also use the BFGs for your purposes.
I typically run my tires anywhere from 12-15psi and will rarely, when the conditions call for it drop down to 10psi. I don’t think any higher would really help in terms of helping manage traction with this particular tire, but I see your point. Managing tire pressure was critical with the Mickeys because (especially when new) they would fold severely when under inflated and tend to skip lugs.
I need some help getting some tires for my truck what is on it right now is 33-12.5 x 18" wheels but i don't care about sizes. It's going to be a few years before i get back on my feet because i was put on disability after 34 years in construction
HI Hollie... what is your opinion on the Mickey Thompson Baja Pro XS ? I see those are DOT approved... would those last longer on long trips compared to Baja Pro X ?... I also see you went from 17 inch wheels to 20 inch wheels.. I want to run 43s and I am trying to decide... 17" or 20" wheels?? 43" tires options are limited and it seems like an even toss between 17" and 20" wheels.. Thanks!
@@MischiefMakerTV Hi!... thanks for the reply... I am curious... what don't you like about the Pro XS?... in my case I am concerned about longevity.. as I do not trail my JLU to locations.. so I don't want a tire that disintegrates on the highway on long trips.. LOL... thanks for the recommendation on Baja Boss!!
I've got no experience on either tire. Tires shouldn't be about looks, but I think the bfgs look just too pedestrian. The first time I saw the tread pattern when it came out I figured it was an A/T tire.
There really was no average for the Mickeys would change often depending on terrain and (and even then I would have to adjust further for tread depth as they wore down). The BFGs are typically 10-12psi.
What do you mean? When you say you were forced to use other tires. It's plan and simple. It's your rig and you are entitled to put what ever you want on your vehicle. No one shouldn't have to force you something you don't want. Just my 2 cents.
But I wouldn’t tell you that and I wouldn’t take a rock crawler to a mud pit. If you love wheeling in deep mud, I wouldn’t suggest you run the Red Label Krawler. The TSL or Mickey Thompson is probably best. Also ‘Under Powered’ is relative…it’s not like I spent $150K on my Jeep and then just decided not to get a 500HP motor. It’s simply not needed for my style of wheeling - crawl ratio matter more 😅
@@MischiefMakerTV I get it but you compared the swampers grip to rock tires in their habitat. That's the only reason we are having this conversation. If you want real crawling ratio granny trans like Rory or wait for it my truck has. Enjoy 😁✔✌
I've never run reds but alot of the guys here do I can't say the reds work better than the Maxxis Treps and the Treps work better in places that tread style is more important than compound ... I have never run less than 4340 fronts with super joints and stock 14 bolt rear shafts and on the stickys never less than 300m RCV fronts and 4340 rear 14 bolt shafts which haven't even twisted a spline in 3 years I only have 190hp but thr rig weighs 6k+ with reasonably deep gearing . In Colorado it's Reds Treps and sticky mt/r ... And black label Patagonia suck .
Utah is not officially my state of residence yet. I hope to change that in 2023, but even then we would probably keep the Jeeps registered out of state. The F-350 would probably be the only vehicle we register in this state. The trailers and Jeeps would most likely all be registered in Maine.
Kinda how commercial company's do it. Our company is in PA but trucks are registered in Indiana and trailers are registered in Maine. It saves them on taxes, and fees. Smart thinking. Was just wondering.
Nice input. Had a hard time with this video on headphones. You talked so loww and blasted my ears off with the loud music. Try normalizing the audio before posting. I don't normally have issues with any of your vids but this one was hurtful sound wise. Hope that helps.
Sure miss the videos you used to put out on a regular basis of your off roading.. They were great.Not much fun watching you line up on the trail with dozens of jeeps. Hope to see less talk and more trail activity.
Hey there Guy More “wheeling” videos will be coming. I’ve prioritized wheeling with “new” people in the community to make sure they have an awesome first experience in the sport. Have I missed wheeling trails that push my own limits? Yes of course, but I’ve also really enjoyed meeting and wheeling with people who don’t have much experience and now are hooked on the sport and our awesome community😃
@@MischiefMakerTV not that I do anything as extreme as you do, I prefer the Genarals. I had BFG K02 before. . They just don't do what these do. New England weather is a mother.
I agree that it’s subjective, but not because of sponsorship. Lots of people should be on Mickey Thompson tires and my relationship with BFG has nothing to do with which one I would recommend. Very few people should be on the Pro X and ever fewer still should be on the Red Label Crawler. Sticky’s aren’t for everyone and (as stated in my video) anyone with a 6,500-7,000# rig that has has a similar wheeling style and terrain preference can and should probably be open to hearing the opinion of someone who has thousands of trail miles on both tires. If you take issue with any specific point made, please share it and I can clarify for you. 😊
@@MischiefMakerTV i will say this about Hollie, she's fair.. truth be told if she was not happy with someone she was using she may not say out right they suck, but she would not do a glowing recommendation and she would looking at not using them ..
This is super helpful, thanks! I'm still wrestling with sticky vs DOT when I change tires this winter. I got conflicting opinions at Trail Hero, which just parallels your thought of, it depends on the rig and the style. Penny is primarily rail-driven, but must be drivable to those trails--up to about 100 miles 1 way (our own requirement). i've never had stickies before, so I don't quite know what I'm getting into. I hadn't considered that the breaks you had were because of the tires, but it makes perfect sense. More thought needed, but I am coming up on needing to make a choice soon... Thanks for the thoughts, Hollie!
So the Mickeys literally disintegrate on the road. There is no way to keep the heat out of them at speed (45 MPH - do not go higher for extended periods) - the BFGs can be taken to a higher pressure to minimize the contact and they will do better, but not by much. If you want to drive your rig 100+ miles each way on pavement (especially at Highway speeds) you need a DOT tire. None of the sticky’s are really appropriate 😕. Consider the KM3 39 or the 37” Blue Label Krawler - which is the DOT version of my tire 😀🤙🏻
@@MischiefMakerTV That's really what I was thinking--thank you for confirming! Denver to Buena Vista or Leadville is about as far as I'm comfortable driving her on the road, and that does seem to be out of reach for stickies. Thank you thank you!
Regardless of brand we highly suggest that you don't use a tru sticky compund on pavment. The heat generated at even the slowest of road speeds is not good for them.
Tires can make a HUGE difference but, BUT driver also makes a HUGE difference. You have grown greatly Hollie and it shows. Love you both, God bless.
Manufacturing has changed so much from when you started.. it's only honest to find that which fits you.. relationships change. Doesn't mean you despise the last one.. it just means you and Mischief Maker have found another level more suited to your rig and yourself. Keep a clear mind about that dear!
We enjoyed watching you video. It was the first video of yours we've had the pleasure of watching and we found it very informative and enjoyable. We see you slightly mention us in your video... You should give the 43" Super Swamper TSL/SX Sticky a try. After all, it is the gold standard and one of the original sticky tires. It is not a mud a tire. It was actually developed with the hammer trails and Moab in mind. Our legacy of having the most dominat mud tires on the market always thows folks off I guess, but we are far more than a mud tire company and a lot of the urban legends are true, but some are so untrue it's laughable. Reach out to us if you ever want to chat.
Good job Holly. And you do your job and playing around nicely.
For the good cup of tea and a bagel cream cheese and slices of avocado.😋😋🤙🏾✌🏽👍🏽🤘🏾🤚🏽💪🏽🤗😘🙋🏽♂️😊😎
Good morning Hollie and thumbs UP!!
very nice explanation on tires ! love watching your videos and have been binge watching for several months now and love you, Walt and MM y'all rock! Still waiting to buy some merch like hats!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Keep up the awesome videos and wheelin
My cousin had a 85 f 150 4x4 and we put a 4inch lift on it and 44 inch mud tires and you might guess the noise they made on the road sounds like a b 17 bomber at 60 mph, great video keep up the good work God bless from GA and stay safe
Happy Hump day Hollie🤘🤘
A lot of people get caught up in what tire the big name people are running, and then think those are the only tires you can run. I’d say the biggest names are Milestar, BFG, Mickey, and Nitto. They all have their own pros and cons. And there’s other brands out there that work as well. Swampers, Cooper, Goodyear, etc. I think the BFGs work better on your rig then the mickeys did.
Good analysis Hollie! I think there are a few of us out here proving the Krawler is killing it on the East Coast as well! 😉
Great comparison. Absolutely the correct answer, depends on what you want out of your tire.
Hollie,
You have come so far with your videos… Amazing
I was waiting for Bigfoot to walk behind your rig 😆
Good morning Hollie
Love how neutral you were. Had real problems with the km3 sidewalls. I will say that I don’t prefer having to go to a larger wheel to run 42’s on red labels. 17” wheel is my sweet spot. Good info on how the stickies can cause more damage
Thanks! There’s good and bad on both sides. I’ve never lost a tire on the trail MT or BFG. Maybe that’s just another advantage of having less than 200HP 🤣
Love my bfg red labels as well!! Solid points Hollie
Your absolutely right. There's far to many variables between so many tires. At the end of the day the Name doesn't matter and you should use what suits your terrain choice,rig,and driving style 👍🏻🏴
Great video Hollie! as usual you nail it with the relevant info
I love your grenades! I wanted a set of them for my build but KMC didn’t have them ready at the time. So I’m running the Machetes.
BFG BFG BFG! I may not have stickies but I will always have BFG on my rig. Running 37 KM3's right now.
Few people have the luxury of having a dedicated off-road rig, so whatever tire you decide on, you're living with on your daily driver.
A friend put Super Swampers on a Ford F-350. I cautioned him that wet traction on-road was going to be bad and that they were going to be noisy. They were both, loud to the point as you pointed out, you couldn't hold a conversation inside the truck, and on wet pavement, you better anticipate traffic lights, as they didn't stop on wet roads. Oh, and the ride was like a buck board on square wheels.
I like BFG tires, though at times unless you plan in advance you might have to purchase something different (thanks COVID)
I used the predecessor to the KO2's back when they were called just the TA or AT. I'm not a off-road person, just someone that wants to go no matter the weather. As long as the tire has good wet weather traction and cleans snow from the tread, while being quiet, I'm good.
So that was the absolute first thing we noticed. It was so nice having conversations in the Jeep after we switched 😂. And I used to run some 37” KM2s and the few times I was able to go snow wheeling, I did notice a major difference with how well my friends on KO2s were performing out on the trails. Great example of how the terrain and conditions can dictate what tire/tread pattern is best!
For me here in Alaska using on my 2 door JLR I use them for daily driver, trails, and all seasons. I still swear by my 37x12.5 BFG KM3’s (non sticky), with custom sipes in the center 6” of tread. This covers driving on ice, hard pack snow, deep snow up to 24”, mud and slush, mild rocks, as well as pavement.
The post I have been waiting for!!!! ❤
Up here in Oregon I've found that all lug tires are good for is howling going down the road!
Wheeling up in the mountains is on volcanic rock, that stuff will grab a hold of just about any tread! and over on the coast in the sand lug tires just dig holes!
I can’t wait to wheel in Oregon. Some folks have the same sentiment here in Sand Hollow. The sand and traction out here tends to favor more consistent tread patterns and lots of people are basically content running all terrain tires.
Thanks Holly, very informative. I have the BFG KM3 tires on my truck and have had great luck so far. Way better than my old Yokahamas! I sell mostly rural real estate in Western Washington State so I have rocks, mud, sand and snow and ice to deal with. This will be my first winter on them so fingers crossed.
I did prefer the KO2 to the KM3 for snowy conditions (both on and off the trail), but please keep me posted. My experience in the snow was limited.
Tore the sidewall out on mine three times in ok. Just took them in for vulcanizing and back to work. To me the traction out wieghed the down fall of the sidewall.
You nailed it. What you run for tires depends on what you do with you rig. I use a all around 33" mud tire as my Jk as a daily driver that spends most of it's time an the black top. I snicker when folks complain about tire life on their rigs when they are running tires designed for off road and they spend 90% of the time on the highway. They look cool but I and most folks don't have that much money to spend just to look good. I make up the lack of tire performance with a good winch, it's a lot cheaper.
Wow, an Opera singer and a tap dancer. :) Nicely worded to inform but not offend.
Great video and Your jeep looks amazing
A lot of good tire info for the things you do!
I have had BFG All Terrains. They were great. Now I have BFG Mud Terrains. I love them. I have 35 x 12.5’s. They have done great for me.
Good video. I live on the east coast and wheel regularly and have been impressed by both tires in different situations. I like the fact that you mentioned how they’re totally different animals.
In my experience, the Baja pro X seem to work better on lighter vehicles and like you said, are a better competitor for the TSL SX or even the USD sticky.
I wheel primarily at Windrock, Harlan, Sandmines, AOP, etc. I would love to see a direct comparison of the 40” Baja Boss X and the 39” Reds. I run the 40” Baja Boss and have loved them in everything from the East TN slop, dry rocks to Sand Hollow and Moab. They just hook up in all conditions and have been the best tire I’ve ran to date. We’ve seen quite a bit of sidewall failures on the KM3’s and the Red’s out here, but that may be just driver error, who knows. At the end of the day, run what works best for you and your particular vehicle and driving style and be happy!
Hard to beat BFG's. I use them on my work truck as well as my Jeep. They also wear very well.
Good video, what model and backspace rims did you have with the BAJA PRO X, we’re those the KMC Grenade Crawl KM235 17x8.5 8x6.5 4.75 backspace?
Hoping you have time to reply to the first question or confirm. Additionally I'm also wondering what is your overall width?
Great input Holly. Tires make or break a rig on whatever terrain one drives on. Especially these days with everything being so expensive.
It actually amazes me how some folks put tires on the back burner when building their rig. Rubber is your primary traction device. Lockers are important, but having the right runner for your rig, primary/preferred terrain, and wheeling style is probably the most important thing! 😀🤘🏻
SX STICKIES ALL THE WAY
Thanks for the information Hollie and we didn’t have to wait 🎃🎃🎃
Hi Pretty!!! Saw you in real life at UTV Takeover... the "Picture" I took did not come out☹But maybe the next event your at in Utah I will hopefully see you again Jeep was looking great I too run only BFG's they seem to work so good over rocky tough terrain here in Utah USA.
Hollie, by the sounds of it we may never see Mischiefmaker wearing a set of treps. I would love to hear how the treps did and how you compare the three.
I know a few folks who run Treps, but not many. From what I hear they make an excellent tire. I think those would be lower on my list of possibilities. For me personally, if I couldn’t run Red Label Krawlers, I’d probably opt for some K-spec’s next and then treps would be third option.
Agreed. The bfgs are a better tire for what you do. The mickey Thompson's probably do a little better in sand and mud. I switched from hankook mts to goodyear duratracs and they are more balanced for off/ on road. Its all about what you do most with the vehicle.
Precisely! The Mickeys were great in the mud. I found that they would dig a bit more than I cared for in the sand and with obstacles that had sand at the base. Finding a truly good mixed used all terrain is difficult…I’m glad you found something that works for you!
After wheeling at Harlan with you guys, I decided to get some Mickey Thompson 40s.. and honestly, unfortunately, I wish I wouldn't have. The offset tread pattern is definitely noticeable both on and off the road. I really wish I could get some BFG 39 KM3s, but ya know, 750+ per tire is a bit out of reach at the moment... not to mention availability!
Hey Hollie! Love the content!
In your opinion what tire would you recommend for the Northeast coast wheeling? We are currently running The 43” Pro X & 42” Iroks & love them both . Both rigs are on ECGS built 1 tons & V8s. Always willing to try something different if they work better.
Thanks again for your input/time & making such great content for us to enjoy.
So my very first trip on the BFGs was a rainy wheeling weekend at Rausch Creek and the sticky’s kinda surprised me with how well they worked right out of the box, especially in the thin slimy mud they have in the coal region of PA. I don’t have a ton of experience with the KM3, but I will be running that DOT tire on the rig we’ll be building on the channel the next few weeks, so more to come there. I did run it’s predecessor, the KM2, for a long time and had a great experience in the NE. If you wheel in places like PA, Ohio and New Hampshire I can say pretty confidently that you’ll have a great experience with the KM3 (DOT - for mixed use) or the Red Label Krawler (Sticky - dedicated trail rig).
@@MischiefMakerTV sounds great! Thanks for your input! I’ll be looking into the Reds before the spring wheeling season it sounds like. You never know how they work till you know!
This video made me tired...lol I run km2 on three of my vehicles and was running MT on my rock truck, love them. Now I just put M16 on my rock truck. Awesome in mud haven't had a chance on rocks yet. Reds are big money sure look awesome on rigs. Thinking about getting me some reds for my next outing.
For sure, the initial expense of the Reds can be shocking…but still worth it when you move on to your second set. I’ve seen bald Reds with steel showing go for $350-400 each 😂
Hollie, when you said "east coast vrs west coast" It made me want to ask you a question, Have you ever wheeled out here in the Pacific Northwest ? Oregon or Washington on the VERY west side like in Tillamook or Evans Creek or Reiter hills or Tahuya State Forest or Walker evans ?
Not yet. Hopefully in 2023 (if all goes to plan). It’s just so far from where I really enjoy being in the South West 😢
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You could also be breaking axles because different tires and compounds can use different air pressures. Breaking traction is typically less expensive than breaking parts and increasing pressure just enough to lose that bit of traction helps. For what it's worth - I like the look of Chief on the Mickeys but would also use the BFGs for your purposes.
I typically run my tires anywhere from 12-15psi and will rarely, when the conditions call for it drop down to 10psi. I don’t think any higher would really help in terms of helping manage traction with this particular tire, but I see your point. Managing tire pressure was critical with the Mickeys because (especially when new) they would fold severely when under inflated and tend to skip lugs.
I remember BFG Baja T/A's used to be Unicorns, so they still make those?
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I need some help getting some tires for my truck what is on it right now is 33-12.5 x 18" wheels but i don't care about sizes. It's going to be a few years before i get back on my feet because i was put on disability after 34 years in construction
HI Hollie... what is your opinion on the Mickey Thompson Baja Pro XS ? I see those are DOT approved... would those last longer on long trips compared to Baja Pro X ?... I also see you went from 17 inch wheels to 20 inch wheels.. I want to run 43s and I am trying to decide... 17" or 20" wheels?? 43" tires options are limited and it seems like an even toss between 17" and 20" wheels.. Thanks!
I’m not a huge fan of the Pro XS. I think you’d be better off with a 42” Baja Boss and I much prefer that any tire larger than 40” be on a 20” wheel.
@@MischiefMakerTV Hi!... thanks for the reply... I am curious... what don't you like about the Pro XS?... in my case I am concerned about longevity.. as I do not trail my JLU to locations.. so I don't want a tire that disintegrates on the highway on long trips.. LOL... thanks for the recommendation on Baja Boss!!
Red labels are the bomb. I don't run them because I still drive my rig on the highway and they won't make it on the highway because of their compound.
Very true and smart move on your part. There is no sense in spending money on a premium offroad tire and losing tread on the highway.
Both tired of the purpose for different trains that I like the BFG tire personally
Big tires rock hollie
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Don't you get your tires free? Also why are they so hard to find?
I know visually the sticky Mickey Thompson's Mischief maker never look better my opinion
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I've got no experience on either tire. Tires shouldn't be about looks, but I think the bfgs look just too pedestrian. The first time I saw the tread pattern when it came out I figured it was an A/T tire.
I see how you could think that. I do prefer the look of the Red Label, but really performance is what matters to me most.
@@MischiefMakerTV Absolutely.
How many pounds of air do you run on the average?
There really was no average for the Mickeys would change often depending on terrain and (and even then I would have to adjust further for tread depth as they wore down). The BFGs are typically 10-12psi.
Wonder how many miles you get out of a set of rock sliders looks like they have been used quite often lol 😂
I expect they’ll last at least 5 years before I decide to replace them.
What do you mean? When you say you were forced to use other tires. It's plan and simple. It's your rig and you are entitled to put what ever you want on your vehicle. No one shouldn't have to force you something you don't want. Just my 2 cents.
Bring that under powered turd to the muck and tell me those street tires you are running grip like a Swamper.
But I wouldn’t tell you that and I wouldn’t take a rock crawler to a mud pit. If you love wheeling in deep mud, I wouldn’t suggest you run the Red Label Krawler. The TSL or Mickey Thompson is probably best. Also ‘Under Powered’ is relative…it’s not like I spent $150K on my Jeep and then just decided not to get a 500HP motor. It’s simply not needed for my style of wheeling - crawl ratio matter more 😅
@@MischiefMakerTV I get it but you compared the swampers grip to rock tires in their habitat. That's the only reason we are having this conversation. If you want real crawling ratio granny trans like Rory or wait for it my truck has.
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@@MischiefMakerTV Also im a huge asshole so that's how I roll.
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I've never run reds but alot of the guys here do I can't say the reds work better than the Maxxis Treps and the Treps work better in places that tread style is more important than compound ... I have never run less than 4340 fronts with super joints and stock 14 bolt rear shafts and on the stickys never less than 300m RCV fronts and 4340 rear 14 bolt shafts which haven't even twisted a spline in 3 years I only have 190hp but thr rig weighs 6k+ with reasonably deep gearing . In Colorado it's Reds Treps and sticky mt/r ... And black label Patagonia suck .
If you lives in Utah, why do you still have your jeep registered in New York.
Utah is not officially my state of residence yet. I hope to change that in 2023, but even then we would probably keep the Jeeps registered out of state. The F-350 would probably be the only vehicle we register in this state. The trailers and Jeeps would most likely all be registered in Maine.
Kinda how commercial company's do it. Our company is in PA but trucks are registered in Indiana and trailers are registered in Maine. It saves them on taxes, and fees. Smart thinking. Was just wondering.
Nice input. Had a hard time with this video on headphones. You talked so loww and blasted my ears off with the loud music. Try normalizing the audio before posting. I don't normally have issues with any of your vids but this one was hurtful sound wise. Hope that helps.
Sure miss the videos you used to put out on a regular basis of your off roading.. They were great.Not much fun watching you line up on the trail with dozens of jeeps. Hope to see less talk and more trail activity.
Hey there Guy
More “wheeling” videos will be coming. I’ve prioritized wheeling with “new” people in the community to make sure they have an awesome first experience in the sport. Have I missed wheeling trails that push my own limits? Yes of course, but I’ve also really enjoyed meeting and wheeling with people who don’t have much experience and now are hooked on the sport and our awesome community😃
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I much more prefer General Grabber X3
For what exactly (Street? Rocks? Mud? Sand?)? I’m sure it’s a good tire. I don’t have any experience with them directly 😀
@@MischiefMakerTV not that I do anything as extreme as you do, I prefer the Genarals. I had BFG K02 before. . They just don't do what these do. New England weather is a mother.
My favorite tires of all time. I loved Goodyear, BFG and others in my 52 years. General tires for the win.
Bfgs will never be anything I buy maxxis is for anything off road.
I’m sure they make great tire…I don’t have many friends at all running Maxxis rubber, but the 2-3 that do swear by them!
Sorry you were sponsored by both MT and BFG Tell us what you want. This is totally Subjective not
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I agree that it’s subjective, but not because of sponsorship. Lots of people should be on Mickey Thompson tires and my relationship with BFG has nothing to do with which one I would recommend. Very few people should be on the Pro X and ever fewer still should be on the Red Label Crawler. Sticky’s aren’t for everyone and (as stated in my video) anyone with a 6,500-7,000# rig that has has a similar wheeling style and terrain preference can and should probably be open to hearing the opinion of someone who has thousands of trail miles on both tires. If you take issue with any specific point made, please share it and I can clarify for you. 😊
@@MischiefMakerTV i will say this about Hollie, she's fair.. truth be told if she was not happy with someone she was using she may not say out right they suck, but she would not do a glowing recommendation and she would looking at not using them ..
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