@@Bunnyboop234it does have, only in bad ending of Nicole getting suicide in the first game. The rest of the gameplay is either suffering and fan foot service
wouldn't mind the feet so much if there were more endings. The feet should not be 33% of the game thats egregious. Edit: Also, if the humor and Nicole and Jecka's relationship was consistent with the first game. But instead its just foot fetish for the sake of foot fetish not this kid is weird and hes not and shouldnt be validated in his weirdness ever at all for any reason
Honestly, In terms of endings, the Jeffery OD ending was a pretty decent one. Copius, bizzarely intricate usage if the foot fetish shit aside, Jecka snaps out of it and gets herself together, and the only loss was Jeffery, who was presented as a net negative to humanity at best.
that what happens when your not a psycho that just doesnt care ig but i do like the game it just isnt humourous maybe it just wasnt meant to be funny most of the time and just show what happens when you dont take control of your life or you have to much control
There was so much wasted potential. They could have added an ending with Jecka moving in with her mom, a Jecka and Karen friendship route with a good and bad ending, an unhinged Kyle yandere route, more endings for the FYD route, but instead we just got a bunch of fetish content. The first games handled the topics well, but the Taliban human trafficking bit and Jecka being coerced into escorting focused less on her psyche and how it affected her (apart from some pretty lazy 'oh she's crying, anyway, back to the feet' scenes), and more on just sexualizing everything because "she's 18 now!" which is the exact mindset the first games made fun of. The only thing I liked was how Nicole is shown for who she is without the main character bias, and Jecka's reaction to the suicide.
@@klinxium8627it was funny for 3 minutes. But it get dragggged onnnnnn. Compared to the first two games, the jokes never got longer than 30 seconds. At that point, is that even a joke anymore?
One of the steam reviews literally showed a screenshot of the creator admitting to rushing the game which is understandable because the hype might die down but what he didn't consider is that there's such a devoted fan base to it that IMO he could've took the extra time and not pressure himself then again this is just my outsider perspective
Though, that does mean that the game could receive updates. It makes no sense that it costs more for less endings. Chances are, he quickly finished the most shocking and anticipated endings (those with death involved for shock value and controversy, which he seems to be pretty good at) and still has several unfinished slightly less bad endings (or day even I say a few good ones). We'll have to wait and see
that makes me extremely sad. There's always a lot of pressure on creatives to ride the high of their popularity while it lasts bc its only there for so long and in this day and age, new fandoms dont pop up (AND LAST) so commonly anymore so I understand the anxiety and stress he might've felt to get the game out and live up to expectations before he loses the spotlight, but I wish he would've had more faith in his audience that they'd be both patient enough and loyal enough to wait out the release of a genuinely good game. I hope we get a revamp or a dlc that is able to correct this because I have a lot of faith in the series. I don't think the creator is a creep projecting his weird fetishes onto the game, I think he misunderstood what appealed to his audience about his games, and because of that failed to deliver genuinely good content. I think there's still room for redemption and I hope he takes the criticism as motivation and inspiration to do better.
When I heard my favorite character, Jecka, was going to be the protagonist of the next installment, I was preparing myself for some campy Mean Girls, Heathers, Legally Blonde type humor. Not a game with a hyperfixation on death and feet.
Thing is, writing Jecka as a protagonist means inherently having to write differently from the first two games, because Jecka, although she sometimes does edgy humor and does selfish actions, is more compassionate and kind than Nicole (not that much but all the characters are bad in their own way). She doesn’t seem the protagonist of this game, but rather the victim, and most things don’t seem like the direct result of her actions, which is frustrating considering most visual novels are liked BECAUSE of the narrative choice aspect. A good Class of 09 game with Jecka as the protagonist would have had a different tone, and maybe the writer feared that the writing would have alienated the fans of the previous two instalments who wanted edgy, mean spirited storylines. But funnily enough since this game is much more torture porn-y than the other too, it ends up being less edgy, as in it doesn’t have an edge anymore. I don’t care what happens to the protagonist, I just become numb and bored. Oh, look at that, some more abuse, how original. I love seeing my main character being mistreated by the universe for no good reason.
to me the entire thing felt rushed- like they were originally going to make alot more but only finished the foot fetish routes before realizing they were behind schedule and rushed everything else
IT WAS LITERALLY RUSHED.... the creator himself literally said that he didn't wanna put effort into the flipside just because he could put more effort into better game ideas just because "the flipside won't even get media coverage"... like WHAT.. stupidest reason ever to be a trashy game dev.
@@str4wb3rryo3oin the texts at the ending, SBN even claims that child predators infiltrated the fandom and use “secret phrases to identify themselves” and coincidentally, all of the phrases he mentions are criticisms of the game or himself. He also signs the text as “SBN3 - aka god” so idk, seems like he’s really arrogant with the way he implies criticisms of the game mean they’re predators. He even goes as far as to encourage people to report them to police. The games themselves are entertaining but the creator himself is just somethin else tbh. Ive never seen someone so arrogant as to imply criticizing them or the game means someone is a child predator. Another phrase is “No! That never happened!” and I gotta say, while pdfilia IS an issue, the FYE illegal porn warehouse never happened and also the government never sold anyone into sex trafficking TO THE TALIBAN to keep them silent. Im saying that never happened, so by his logic I’m a child predator even though I’m not.
i kinda found it weird that we didnt get options in places where the og game would give it. idk did she really had to flirt w the teacher or she couldnt flirt harder like "im sorry i got grounded or smth" idk
i was honestly surprised that during the mr katz thing it didnt have any options, instead it was just jecka immediately going to the last resort,, and i really feel like there shouldve been an option there.
Maybe because to Jecka she didn’t THINK of an option, maybe it shows what her personality is like and what she automatically thinks of doing without thinking about a second choice
@@yyuU-hm6ywI like the idea, but that feels like an excuse for lazy development. It kind of makes less sense too since Jecka has been known to be more rational and think about thinks more than Nicole. So it would make sense for Jecka to have choices there
I think the main difference between flipside and the other two games is that every ending that happens to nicole feels like the consequence of her/the players actions. Here it just seems like things happens to jecka just to be edgy. And also the endings are usually proportional to nicoles actions (aside from maybe the ari rejection route), while in flipside jecka's endings aren't proportional to her choices.
Everyone felt super out of character for me. The flip side Jecka wouldn't be mad at Nicole's suggestion to make crack while the flipside Nicole would make the crack and immediately turn Jecka in for making crack.
actually what was that game dawg!! Nicole literally stood up for jecka when the counsellor was hitting on her while smoking, even when it got her into trouble. she’s told the counsler that she likes jecka, and jecka didn’t do anything to warrant nicole’s revenge so it feels out of character to me that she betrays jecka at all??? plus I haven’t seen anyone talk about this but Emily was done so dirty in the flip side it just didn’t feel like her at all to me :((
I feel like all of those things are actually pretty in character. I see a lot of people mention the fact that Nicole was nicer in the OG and Re-Up and she's too evil in The Flipside. Nicole does more nice things for Jecka in the previous games because she's lonely and needs Jecka to distract her from her problems and not feel like a loser, she's still a bad person. Look at what she did to Ari and Megan, Jecka was just more popular and more stable so Nicole held on to her probably for easy opportunities to get fucked up. Her getting petty in the foot route isn't as unrealistic as we might think, and while the foot fetish scenes are dumb by themselves, the resolutions are not the worst. As for Emily I feel like the fandom characterised her to be a silly gay girl who cuts and not a suicidal and highly unstable girl that cheats on her boyfriend and falls for a girl because she agrees to have suicide with her, she also doesn't really like Jecka so I think she would be stand offish like that
@@Chromianed wait you’re kinda right, except I think she picked on Megan because she got in her face and stuff, and picked on ari because she went against her and took her “depression excuse”, which is really extreme but like she didn’t really know either of them so it was easier to hate them. it’s just that I thought she hung around jecka because she was cool, not because she thinks she’ll be a loser if she doesn’t, so her betrayal was too random for me 😭🙏 Also i don’t consume any fan content for class of 09, so I wasn’t expecting her to be silly, it’s just that when she was calling jeckole a poser for going to a concert, i thought that was too random thanks for replying!! ^^
@@Chromianed I don't exactly think nicole is a good person but that's not to say nicole is dishes it equally out to everyone, this was absolutely something she'd have done to anyone else but she literally never been as judgemental towards jecka as she was in this game. Jecka went through a white supremacist phase without nicole drawing a line and not sharing a foot business with her is what made her lash out?? it's so unlikely. I for sure think nicole would've done it anyway but her revenge was so unwarranted and out of left field considering her relationship with jecka. I think nicole has always respected and favored jecka and while I do not think she loves jecka by any means, again, because that girl is certainly a sociopath.. Idk this was out of no where
in like, the *first* game, Jecka mentions that her friends were put in a different lunch period right? Having other friends would've made for interesting scenarios, new flavors of toxic friendships, etc. and this game would've been a perfect opportunity for that....
ironically even if this game is supposed to be about jecka i can't think of a single moment in it that elaborates on her characterisation from the other games in any meaningful way aside from "her dad abuses her". dissapointing
How can it be meaningful if her role wasn’t too major in the past two games, that’s why they made a game for her specifically, one of the routes branches from after high school which we don’t get to see in the first game too cuz they’re still in school, the games called the flip side because it contrasts how different Nicole and Jecka are from eachother.
@@kamiWasFrozen the game is about her, and yet it has nothing to say about her as an individual? nothing to explore from the groundwork the first games laid? "not like her comically evil best friend" is not compelling writing and does not do her justice
@@goldbane "Nothing to explore from what the groundworks laid" Once again, little to no information given that was useful in those games. "Nothing to say about her as an individual, already said how she differs from Nicole, how the choices she makes split from what Nicole would do, and how Nicole's influence causes her to end up in the situations she ends up in. Nicole's detachment keeping her away from other people's problems lead to her getting good endings, Jecka associating herself with other people led to her downfall. Also take some time to realize that not everyone is here for "compelling story-writing" and just wants to see funny stuff happen in an out of pocket VN.
Something that got tired real fast was Jecka's dad. His yelling, threaths of violence and hating his ex-wife made him look like a recolor of the cop, only he was used way more sparingly and when he would start yelling it would actually surprise you
Jecka's dad reminded of Kyler in game 1, but at least Kyler wasn't very noticeable in some endings of game 1, here Jecka's dad was literally shouting at Jecka in every single ending
i heard the creator intentionally made the game this way to alienate the fanbase bc it didnt attract other incels like he'd hoped for, but instead mostly teen girls
Seeing the visual novel anime girl equivalent of Eric Cartman end up homeless or dead because of her own wildly absurd and monstrous actions is kinda funny. Seeing a mostly jaded girl end up enslaved just because she wanted the paycheck she very well earned is just really sad. Also Jecka’s dad was probably an attempt to recapture the humor of that scene in the Re-Up where the cop threatens and shouts at her after shooting Nichole. It didn’t work.
Class of 09 to me at least was about Nicole's Reactions to the World around her. It was like It's Always Sunny but with Nicole and everyone else being the extremely terrible and awful person. Her reactions to Her situation are absolutely hilarious, and so is her interactions with Other Characters, especially the teachers and Adults. Jecka for me just can't really carry a story on her own. She needs Nicole to Bounce off of. Don't get me wrong, some scenes with Jecka are absolutely hilarious, but usually those scenes are with Nicole. Also, not to mention Jeffery appears way more often then he does in Previous games. Again, Jeffery works in short bursts, and usually his appearances are fucking funny, but they use him too much in here. Also, I forgot to mention the Relatable and Realistic Humor and Endings. Like, you could reasonably imagine Nicole going to prison or Her Getting Into a Psych Ward, strangely enough. The Taliban Slave ending is absolutely just fantasy and Rainbows. It isn't realistic. It feels lazy. And you may say the whole White Power ending from the OG game is unrealistic, but it's way more realistic than whatever that ending was. Overall, The Flipside was a massive disappointment, and generally just failed to capture what made Class of 09 actually special, which was it's realistic and relatable humor about high school life. Now, all this game consists of is just Foot Fetish shit and Unfunny Jokes that utterly fail to land. 4/10. What a Pitiful way to end a Trilogy.
i think jecka needed a more light and grounded approach for her game, i finished the game and wow it was like soap opera to me. it traded absurdity and societal observation for shock content and one dimensional characters
If the flipside was a Jecka backstory (pre-nichole/senior year era) it would've been more creative maybe. This just feels like a DLC for the first game, not even re-up. Just endings with no real outcome, if any, to add onto the lore. Just straight up horrible things that happen to Jecka.
I would have liked to see how school was before Nicole got there. I wish they would have shown Jecka in college with a mainly new cast but incorporated some of the characters in a few choices.
The characters feel so out of character. In the first 2 games the girls were bad people but they would show human emotion like sadness and panic in actually serious situations. In this one they don't care about anything. Nicole and jecka straight face killing 2 people while in the original Nicole starts panicking after someone she hates died(she started yelling and panicking when her teacher got killed by a cop). It feels like they made the characters less human and just blatantly evil when in the first 2 they did take stuff like death seriously.
it’s like they’re trying to push the sociopath thing onto people. Like Jecka is so different too, she’s literally YELLING at people (mostly Crispin but he deserves it) and it’s just random?? or when she purposely makes Crispin break his leg and she could care less? Nicole also was concerned (for a second) when her mom died but even then she didn’t really cry over it and Jecka was disturbed and sounded like she was going to cry for Nicole AND even apologizes for being passed out on a drug that NICOLE GAVE HER. The Flip Side Jecka wouldn’t care about Nicole’s mom dying from what it seems like, in the Jeffery dying part she sounded shocked but in other ones she doesn’t sound like she gives a damn (obviously the game is rushed sooo..)
It really annoys me how a lot of people are saying that Class of 09 was always “edgy” and had “dark humor” or that Nicole was “always a bad person you don’t understand her/the game”. It’s very annoying and willfully obtuse to the genuine criticisms that majority of the fan base is having for a reason. of all the first two Class of 09 games are satirical and rarely ever punch down at minorities and when handling dark topics/dark humor there was always a cleanly aspect to it. In fact, I think Class of 09’s popularity showed that there’s still very much a place for dark humor/bold satire as this generation has mostly left South Park and Family Guy behind. It just has to handled well. For example, when Nicole has the gym teacher plotline we don’t actually SEE anything sans her lying on the floor and with the incredibly tragic homeless plotline where she is being abused and forced to sell sex, we don’t see any of the abuse but our feelings are centered on Nicole and her psyche. However, in the Flipside the game goes out of its way to point out that the characters are 18 and present a storyline where they’re not only immediately in sexual situations but specifically making a fetish the center of it and having weird angles along with a trafficking ending that shows the abused Jecka in a pink bikini. And thank you for pointing out that Nicole WAS OOC, I have a lot of issues with the way defenders of the game treat Nicole while this game seems to just feel mean spirited to her. In the first game while Nicole may be a sociopath (she likely is), is not a nice person, and can do a myriad of bad to just horrible things there’s the nuance that comes with critical thinking and picking up context clues to know that she is, ultimately, a kid. A kid with abusive parents whose father targeted her with revenge suicide when she was literally just 14. There’s nuance in Nicole’s character present in the first two games that show her as human and not just someone who is evil for evil’s sake. People who think Nicole was IC in this game are people who don’t WANT to think critically. Also in the first two games there’s a myriad of choices, storylines, and endings that can go from mundane to incredibly dark from positive to depressing. This “game” has very little choices and only 5 endings where they all are “bad” to a pretty extreme degree where even Jecka’s best endings are the ones where she’s complicit in someone’s death. It’s so gratuitous and edgy for edgy’s sake. The Flipside was poorly written, lazily put together, and was a major flop. Thank you for this review, sorry for the long ass comment lol.
No worries about comment length But yeah, I'm seeing a lot of "Nicole's a bad person takes" Like yea, but that's not something Nicole would do to Jecka I don't know who that body snatcher was but it wasn't Nicole
tbh it feels like they just made nicole ooc so they could shove the character into a scene where she puts her feet into a guys mouth so creepy perverted coomers can goon to it 😒how do u go from hesitant to doing upper favors to SURVIVE to willingly shoving ur feet into ur bestfriends dad's mouth for revenge they just did all this weird crap to force this weird child corn feet fetish and fricking lesbianism fetish and sex slave crap
it's been revealed that snb3 (the creator) purposely made the game terrible by putting his fetishes and ideals at the forefront because he didn't like the type of fans he was getting bc originally he was hoping the game would attract the edgy 14 year old "racism = dark humor" audience
@@cheddarchemist5644 yeah, unfortunately. There is a video of him doing it and before the person cut it down (because it contained personal information abt them) it was LONG. More than likely it wasn't just one either bc he'd go and find ppl on Skype to bully like this. I'd say he went for autistic ppl specifically (because it seems like he does!) But I guess I don't have proof about thst so I'll just say people for now Sucks that this video was posted like two days too early to be able to include this information in it 💀 Twitter has never been a great source but that IS where the audio of him doing this is so the thread is there. It's by a popular youtuber too, don't know them myself but everyone freaked out when they realized who it was so that'll probably make it easier to find.
The only fun ending was ironically the one where Ari died ''You'll never guess WHO we crashed into! Ari!! What a small world!!'' Like, that was the only line that made me actually giggle. That was abt it tho :/
i think like all the lines that make me laugh were from kylar. he was highlight of the game for me tbh. but yeah that was my favorite ending too lol, felt the most class of ‘09-y
Idek why that was an ending. A popular gag in the other games was people just dying and life going on. Like, if it ended with Jecka getting arrested or something it'd make more sense
@@ananyanyan Most likely to have one of the endings just be ''Haha funny'', while simultaneously being shocking to a degree. The entire game was feeling really tryhard at having more ''WTFF'' moments than actually making me care for any other character besides Jecka..
26:13 I just don't understand why a person making a game centered around teenage girls would heavily dislike that it has that type of audience. Like is that not what makes the franchise somewhat successful? Why throw it away to pander to some edgy gooners?
@@40KKenseihe doesn't even seem like a gooner. I was really surprised when I watched him talk to an hour to another creator. He's a big left leaning,self hating white person, and I can definitely confirm from just the hour I heard him talk. He really is a mix of Nicole and Jeffrey.
Gotta admit, the only ending I really appreciated was Jecka's pov on Nicole klling herself. Especially the last therapy session. Although I would have hoped for more choices (like with Mr Katz), I feel like this was the one ending in which thought was put into. I'm asexual so, weirdly enough, the whole foot fetish arc didn't really bother me. Like, in the way that I didn't care, and I didn't even imagine that it could be the creator's own fetish ?? Now that people explain it it kinda makes sense though.. So yeah I didn't really think of it as a fetish when I played the game, which kinda helped. It was not terrible, but it was mid, like Nicole's whole "selling herself on myspace" was way better. And there was no weird CGI- Apart from that, the slave ending was NOT NECESSARY and really weird, Nicole getting with Jecka's dad really felt OOC, crushing into Ari was okay I guess although not really good, and Jeffery's death was in-character for everyone so I'd say it's the second best ending. I did like Jecka's scenes with her dad, and all the therapy moments. But honestly, this game was really mid. Not that bad, and some moments were actually funny, but in the end it's reaaally mid. If it were not for Jecka's pov on Nicole's death it would have completely sucked. Felt rushed, writing goes from very good to complete trash (and easily 75% is complete trash), but I didn't have the worst time of my life playing it. 4/10 for me, waiting for the fix-it fanfics now
I'm ace too, i totally get what you mean about the foot fetish parts. I also really resonated with her interactions with her dad and jecka's helplessness. overall since the humour didn't really land for me the game was just... really miserable imo. Also waiting for the fix-it fics lol. if the dev can't characterise Nicole right, ao3's got my back for sure
weird, as a fellow ace i got incredibly uncomfortable with the ff content and ending up muting/skipping through all of that stuff. however i agree on the fanfic point, i cant wait for The Flipside (Rewritten) to show up on ao3 LOL
@@mercipurrs Yeah, I can get that. For me it was like being stuck in a traffic jam; you don't really get why there's one, it's annoying, but it's so common that you don't really care anymore and eventually it gets moving.
The biggest disappointment is that there were scenes in there that looked like they could've been expanded into their own routes. But instead of exploring the aftermath of kissing Ari or Emily becoming Jecka's stepmom, we get foot fetish and sex trafficking.
Jecka and Ari kissing was definitely fanservice, but I like the idea of a route where Emily and Jecka are now step-mom and step-daughter after being classmates, it would have had so much potential for jokes and even emotional moments.
It’s just really weird. Last game Nichole was an asshole, but this game she is just evil for evil. Most of Nichole’s endings were fine because she did bad things to everyone so when bad things happened to her she somewhat deserved it to a decree. Sells pot to pregnant mothers? Gets put in jail. Steals and runs from the cops shot. Goes and entertains a gross old man to just pass gym? Gets killed. Even something mundane like when she breaks up with a girl it’s all because of her doing. Jecka. In like all but 1 ending was not responsible at all. Unlike Nichole. Her dad verbally abused her and forces her to get a job and then force her to make more. Forcing her to go to collage. Unlike Nicole jecka was never in control. Which makes the whole game feel instead of funny just…. Sad. And not fun at all toward the later endings of the game
A) If you pick to split the trauma with Nicole, she was willing and always willing to test her limits with Jeffrey, and she really mentioned multiple times why she wants Jeffrey to be dead, and why it's better for the world. This is not just during this game, but also in the previous 2 games too. B) If you pick to keep the 20% to yourself from Nicole. Nicole sees Jecka as a best friend, but unwilling to split the profit from the earnings she's making. Heck, Nicole was even willing to work for the profit, and Jecka is like no, while dressed up like a Kardashian. So in Nicole's mind, she's absolutely pissed and started to plot her revenge using Jecka's dad, which she knows from before is absolutely into her, to mess with Jecka. The fact that Jecka killed herself was actually the wild choice, because Jecka had so many options to choose, and it appears odd that she went with suicide as a response to Nicole's clear and obvious trap. But no, she doesn't have street smarts like Nicole, and she clearly went with the dumb choice of suicide so everything checks out there. In either case, there's no good ending, because only from Jecka's POV can you start to see why Nicole is a very bad influence. Nicole might be able to do reasonable action, but that's because we can see every detail from Nicole's POV, but Jecka's POV, some of Nicole's action is really crazy. Finally, I should remind everyone about that favorite scene from the past 2 games. Yes, the 6 girls in the bathroom scene. Remember, Jecka thought it was wild for Nicole to be acting her plan on the true assumption that all the male teachers are pedo, so you can clearly see that Jecka doesn't know everything that Nicole sees.
@@admiralthrawn7754 A) saying and doing are 2 different things. Plus if you go the route where your nice to Jeffrey everyone isolates themselves from you even jecka. For what? Being seen around with a nerd. And that’s the only route you take where ya end up killing youtself. And in others he takes a picture of you half naked and threatens to show the whole school. B) Nichole does the extreme revenges for people who harass her on the daily. Nichole is a sociopath but the ONLY person she has done something nice for actively is jecka. Because outside of her everyone else she hates or had no relationship with. She does have female friends like Emily she never does a bad thing to that entire game but the people who had constantly harassed her was always ppl she did not know like that. She got with her dad for a petty argument about money. One argument. From the only person in the school that she tolerated enough to hang out and do I no something nice for and actively want to hang with. Her doing that to anyone else would make sense if it was not jecka. There are no hero’s. Everyone is Bad either form circumstance or choice. If this whole story was about jecka’s relationship with Nichole I would agree with you. But it’s not. Nichole is a bad influence but it’s never really about Nichole. But what remains constant form the 2 games is that that’s her only TRUE friend. And whichever ending is cannon it feels weird for just Nicole to do revenge like that on her old friend no matter the argument. On a less in-depth note I HIGHLY doubt that Nicole who wants NOTHING to do with Jeffrey is willing to go to Jeffrey’s house and SHARE her drugs and ALCOHOL with him just because she is…. Bored??? If he was trying to kill him sure but that’s just lazy to me. Nichole from the last 2 games would not even go 10 yards from Jeffrey let alone his house for ANY reason
i saw someone on pinterest say that the flipside feels like if vivziepop and urbanspook came together and wrote a class of 09 game. theyd be correct because the way it relies on shock "humor" is insane. not to mention the fact that there's literally one death per route, like pls- 😭
The lack of choices was a huge disappointment and everyone felt out of character. Like I could see Nicole getting pissed at Jecka for not wanting to split the money, but there’s no way Nicole would do…that…with jecka’s dad. She’d spread a rumor about jecka being an actual sw or find out who jecka’s customers were and make something up that disgusts or freaks them out enough to where Jecka is hardly making any money, if any at all. I feel the most of the endings could’ve been rewritten better. Like an ending where Jecka ultimately goes to college but she questions how long she can keep up the facade until she realizes she doesn’t have a choice BUT to keep it up until either her dad inevitably dies from a heart attack or she just snaps under the pressure. What about an ending where Jecka and Nicole never interact again after the falling out and it’s not until she’s much older and has moved on with her life that Jecka realizes Nicole never saw her as a real friend and only saw her as someone to toy with? If you wanted a REALLY dark ending, why not have Jecka eventually becoming numb to everything around her. After Nicole’s death she slowly begins to show sociopathic tendencies and eventually becomes one herself? I made these up in my head and I think having these endings or variations of them would’ve been super interesting and likely gotten more praise than the actual endings. I also felt the creator was being condescending. “if you see any of these comments in the forums report them immediately to the authorities”. It’s like he knew the game was gonna be seen as inferior so he made something up as a cop out to take some of the heat off
The game was very flat, the lack of choices also made it incredibly boring, this has the least amount of endings with a total of 5 with a slightly shorter 100% time than the re-up. and yeah, a lot of the jokes,,, had a lack of punchline to it, like not even the good voice acting could save it some dialogue felt super awkward too, and not in the "omg im uncomfortable" awkward just the dialogue isnt flowing well awkward
Honestly what made the first two games so good is they had great deadpan. Nicole saying “I guess we’re racist now” is funnier than Nicole JUST being racist. The same goes for the mein kampf scene, the joke isn’t mein kampf the joke is Kyle being a dumbass. These scenes didn’t laugh “because racism” they laughed at how stupid the racism in them was
On the subject of Nicole being out of character im gonna explain it how I processed it: Its not really out of character for Nicole to retaliate by using something another character is invested in against them as we've seen her do with megan, what is out of character is for her to do it to Jecka, but I also dont see Nicole lashing out on Jecka the way she did in a manner that would lead to this happening nor do I see her even asking another character if she could do it with them (except maybe Emily? But similarly to Jecka, she would not do this or talk to Emily like this) so for all those reasons that entire scenario is out of character. Edit: I liked the art wish they would've given us more art that wasnt of foot fetish or sex slave content
Yeah like it was obvious Jecka was hurt more than Nicole was? All Jecka did was tell her no and Nicole responded with calling her a whore? So that was kind of already equal She wasn’t actually wronged? It was very clear she hurt Jecka already just from saying that. And while Nicole does show in other games that when someone does her wrong she makes an effort to do them worse 100 fold She like Didn’t do anything though There’s no way Nicole got her satisfaction from that Especially with Jecka killing herself later That ending had good foreshadowing but I think it would have been just as good of an ending if Nicole snitched on Jecka to her dad saying “well if your job is so respectable and you’re not a whore, what’s wrong with telling your father you’re a sex worker?” In a snobby way And then ofc chaos ensues since her dad is abusive yk I feel like Nicole could then have an honest moment of being like “Oh shit I didn’t know your dad was actually crazy” And they deal with him together or something idk Oh and they could even make it a plot twist by Nicole saying she just wants to do it with Jecka for free And the whole time Nicole collects pictures she shows her dad And that’s how we get the shock factor Like :000 betrayal But Nicole in that ending was just so incredibly low and random And yeah Nicole last game or so would have been upset she made Jecka run off like that I think it’s also so unfortunate bc Nicole isn’t dumb And when she commented on Jecka’s reaction to being called a whore There could have been a great route for Jecka telling Nicole how bad her dad actually is Ugh there totally should have been an ending where they just killed her dad ngl 💀
Basically there was just so much more depth and meaning this game could have had And these two paralleling characters could have really tied things together like all the messages in the first game did
My overall opinions of this game for me: 1. The options were too limited, Nicole sold her body yeah but it wasn’t like that was the ONLY route for her/route you had to ALWAYS choose 2. Besides like the Kylar joke in the hot topic, a few didn’t laugh as much in this as I did in the first two 3. The fact there is no “good” to at least “decent” endings, with the first two games having messed up endings was fine because we had decent/good endings as well- this game having basically near none of that is an issue 4. Nicole herself was a bit mischaracterized here I’d say like I know she literally kinda used Megan’s boyfriend and all that in a previous game but how we know Nicole & Jecka’s relationship I can’t help but feel she either wouldn’t do that- or only do that it Jecka pushed her hard enough which she just didn’t. Overall this game is underwhelming but every game from a company ain’t gonna be a 10/10 perfect hopefully they can use this game as a learning experience on how not to use their characters or just what route to not go down. And with an anime coming out eventually hopefully they can use this to make sure it’s the best adaptation for wacky and dark game series as possible.
We'll see about the anime, but chances are, comparing some of the criticisms of this game to the decision the devs made for this game, I actually prefer the dev's decisions over the criticism. Looks like I'm going to be one of the few that's going to enjoy the anime, because clearly I think some folks didn't fully understand the first two games and how this series can literally go anywhere. There's no expectations because this universe is crazy wild...
Man, this is such a weird misfire. I started playing the first game recently, and now I don’t know if I want to continue after hearing about all the problems with the third. One of the best responses I heard about this game was that it wasted so much potential for all the characters and could’ve explored themes of growing up out of high school and leaving those you knew behind. However, what we got instead was a slavery ending that sounds like it was written by AI, a decent callback ending, a kind of boring nothing ending, and two endings dedicated to feet, which I heard were created because the creator heard of a hilarious story around feet while he was at high school. Hearing about the creator being spiteful is definitely a lot more clearer through this game. I heard that re-up was kind of made as a response to those who thought Nicole was actually a righteous person, which is understandable if he didn’t want people to misunderstand his characters. However, this just seems to be spiteful towards fans who just ship his characters or make wholesome fan art or comics with these characters. So in response, he created a game that shut down shipping entirely and made it entirely misery porn to I guess kick those fans out? However, I will admit that the message he gave at the end of the game wasn’t all bad. He seems to be generally grateful for those who supported the games and it was clear that the statement everybody’s talking about was just a joke. I especially liked how he brought up that he wanted to push for more unique type of representation in these games about following types of people that he feels were lacking in mainstream media because of how complicated they are. Kudos for him doing that, even if the third game went too far. Also, does anyone understand the secret videos talking about God? Additionally, what do you think he can do with the anime he’s planning on making of the games, as I feel like he’s done what he can with the franchise and it’s clear that he just wants to move on.
I think the endings videos here infer that we are God, picking options for Nicole and Jecka that are predetermined in some sort of script, like how people in real life believe God predestines people to hell because he knows the "script" start to finish but is curios to see what we would do if we pick option number 1, 2, etc.
The first two games are good if you wish to play them But I'd skip out on this one As for the anime, I figure it'll just go over some stuff that happened I'm the game. Maybe adapt the most popular route or something
@@TheMockingjay74 There was a kickstarter made by the creator to create a short pilot, with no exact promises on getting a real-full series. If I remember correctly, the community raised enough for the 11-minute animated pilot goal, and it should be in production rn
@@kyperactive "Flipside" shouldn't mean torture porn, the name of the game and trailer adverise it as more of Class of '09 during their senior year and post graduation
@@Delta21OnYT Marketing is one special parlor trick, wouldnt fully trust that mate... In other news, again, the flipside part of the game is the evident change in tone... if anything, the "torture porn" is in line with the difference in story as its clear this isnt just what that game (Class of 09) was, but with Jecka necessarily, the moment you see how Jecka's father acts really. Im of the opinion this triggered too many sensibilites, hence the negative rating, when... sensibilities were always gonna be blown out the water with these games, and it causes people to fully misunderstand the point that it aint sposed to be happy. Last game wasnt really meant to be either, but it mixed the two tones for endings. This game clearly leans onto the serious and more uncomfortable tone over all else, almost like... thats the point... to not be anywhere near as comfy as last time... Might be bugging though... surely...
The Reddit thread made by the Ex-Friend of the creator of this game puts SO much context onto why this game was so ass. And also re-contextualizes the previous games as sort of a wish fullfilling fantasy of the creator.
@@friktogurg9242 Basically Class of 09 is just SBN3's (Creator of the franchise) wish fullfilling fantasy. He self inserts himself in Nicole as the person he always wanted yo be in Hogh School but also self inserts himself as Jeffrey because it's the person he used to be in High School that he hates. And that's just the tip of the iceberg. If it wasn't already noticeable, this guy has a lot of mental issues. But one of them might be Peter Pan Syndrome, which would justify his obsession with the 2000's period. Another thing, it is hinted in this thread, ut in others is downright confirmed that he has a weird interest with girls that JUST turned 18 years old. And people on Twitter have revealed that he owns certain type of content, and not too long ago, pretty much like 2 or 3 years ago. Which would also explain why this last game is so weird in how it treats Jecka since she canonically turned 18. And to finish of, SBN3 also has a long history of Transphobia and Autism Bullying, like not even in jokes, straight up cartoonish discrimination. Which with the whole self inserts in Nicole and Jeffrey, it would explain everything as a form of self-hating projection.
@@unkpo5189I think the whole Nicole and Jeffrey thing is pretty clear just by playing the game. You don't need anything special to tell you that. It clearly says in the game that the game is based on the creator's experiences. The whole idea behind the secret movie in the first game was that the mindsets these two characters have are two struggles that are diametrically opposed, but they're both well articulated. It's clear to me that the creator has experience with both these mindsets, and since it was the thing you see after getting all endings, I basically took that as the thesis statement of the game.
I dont hate this game i just wish it had more humour and happy endings. I listened to the whole thing and and its a fine game just njt very class of 09, i didnt really laugh or want to reply a certain a clip because it was so funny. Im fine with the flipside being a bit more sad but it just didnt feel like a class of 09 game. Also, the options were abit scarce, like you could barely choose anything
He stated today in a discord call that he is done with doing visual novels as articles dont write about it and people dont care much about VNs, BUT there will be more Class of 09 games and the animation is now being made under a new studio and he stated progress is moving much quicker
i really wish there was some good ending, like where jecka goes to college…but no! im really disappointed by this game and how underwhelming yet overwhelming it was at the same time
yeah ngl i think the creator just hated how people characterized nicole so they wanted to point out how she's such a shitty person, i think og class of 09 and re-up nicole is a better person because we can choose if we want her to be bad or not, and she encounters really shitty people + the one ending where you try to have nicole be nice, she commits suicide
This version of nicole is just her if she was written by someone who wanted to make it REALLY obvious that she's a bad person while forgetting that she has an established personality and human like qualities. She just does awful stuff because uhhh sociopath i guess It's like the writer saw shipping art of her and jecka and tought the fanbase didin't actually think nicole was evil or sum. She's bad, we get it💀
No. more like they wanted it to be super obvious that there was going to be a great amazing scene of her putting her feet into jecka's dad's mouth just for the satisfaction for coomers and perverts that are actually into the weird shit they put into the flipside. literally the whole damn route and end is just about feet
My friends and I played and streamed it and we were confused (and saddened) when the few good teachers who never did pedo shit ended up being pedos in this game. Like why?
I remember the re-up had one normal teacher who wasn’t a predator, but because of a misunderstanding (being tricked by his students thinking that pedo was slang for cool teacher) he got arrested anyways. That was, as far as I remember of adult characters that are directly shown to us, the only not pedophile adult man. Oh, also the photography teacher. He wasn’t a pedo, he was “just” a white nationalist.
Personally, I was more disappointed by the fact we had less options to choose from compared to the last two games, I was also kinda surprised people thought Flip side was "going too far" almost every route from the last games ends with someone dying in some way, so I thought expectations were already set. As far as the routes we did get they ranged from funny to underwhelming. This is unpopular but the feetmeet route was honestly pretty funny, kinda dragged in some places but I thought it was entertaining. Although i didn't appreciate getting flashbanged by Jecka's feet in the overdose ending. Working with Kelly was entertaining, getting Jecka's paycheck and it escalating to finding a warehouse of illegal porn was surprising, but getting sold into the Taliban could have been left out. The hot topic route was ok, Ari gets the short end of the stick again. Nicole's suicide ending let Jecka's Va shine here, i liked her interactions with the new therapist and how she was stuck between a rock and a hard place. I still enjoyed it but I probably feel more critical because this was the only game I paid for.
fr the warehouse/taliban ending left a really weird taste in my mouth. like yeah i get the social criticism/commentary about the government not only just covering up the CP industry but also consuming its contents, but literally the race-y jokes about palestine being there (considering the genocide happening there at the moment) just, idk ughhhh. like ik it's there to showcase jecka's ignorance since she's still an american white woman in the late 00's, but it's a game released in 2024 with some guy writing all these lines, how can you be so out of touch with reality?
Bruh, that's exactly what was done in the first 2 games, and folks praised the dev for reminding everyone what the jokes were like in '08 and '09. Now, the dev is getting flak for the same joke? I was going for the overused route but nah, folks don't find it funny anymore... I guess that's the criticism. I swear, if Flipside was released with the Base game and Re-Up, nobody would complain about Flipside. But no, bunch of unrealistic expectations were set in anticipation for the release of the final chapter, that clearly should have been dispelled but no one made any real effort dispelling those anticipations.
@@admiralthrawn7754 "if flipside was released with the base game and re-up" but it didn't, you're making an imaginary scenario which js impossible to happen. If it was indeed released along with the others at the same time it would be definitely differently written. The reason Flipside is at the state it is now is exactly because the devs probably didn't read too well about what the fans liked with the first two games. "What do you mean you don't find anything funny with jecka being constantly abused and tortured" (all sexually, physically and mentally)(the other games had nicole as the protag where whenever anyone was bothering her she was at least fighting back and wasn't a helpless victim)
@@foibsdoesthingsAlmost like... and listen really, its not meant to be the same thing? Being on the real, all this was done purposefully since its the flipside, so its gonna be different. The dark nature is that difference, this tells me you missed the point and expected the first two games again.
@@kyperactive well yeah there's good different and then there's borderline-torture-porn bad different. Obviously it's gonna be different but that doesn't mean i should just mindlessly consume it without questioning
@@kyperactive and if it really was "the flipside" it would be scenarios and routes from the other games but told through jecka's prespective (like the crossover with nicole's suicide ending). everything after the "SCHOOL START" choice at the start was really fine, everything about the characters' supposed "adult life" filled with fan service with those CG scenes was unnecessary
The humor is kind of weak except for a few moments and the game has no real HAPPY ENDS Nicole is a selfish prick but she’s also Jecka only support Nicole going to screw Jecka up or be in someway or another what gets Jecka killed or kidnapped. The humor is not good enough to carry it. this game it’s just mean-spirited
The only good ending is if Jecka cut ties with Nicole and be with Karen. Karen was the good influence on Jecka. Nicole is the bad influence. But unfortunately, that decision was made a long time ago and decided by the first game, so with that decision, Jecka's fate is sealed. Better hope Nicole turns out to be a star, because when you are friends with a literal self-proclaimed sociopath, you sack all your options of having a good ending and you are praying on that sociopath to get you a good ending, which if you haven't seen, many of Nicole's ending is very bad for Jecka. And in that regards, I think the game does a wonderful illustration on how bad of an influence Nicole is on even her friends.
@@admiralthrawn7754 honesty we know very little about Karen. she seems like a female Jeffrey but without the hentai addiction or Gun collecion. Jeffrey a weirdo and Karen naive
I was skeptical about Jecka being the protagonist of her own Class of 09 game. Nicole works perfectly as the main character of these games because she is a terrible person living in an equally terrible world. She has genuine problems she is dealing with from men in their society, so the audience can sympathize with her and understand how she ended up so jaded and twisted. But also, she is coping with these problems in destructive ways at the expense of everyone around her, so we dont feel too bad when she gets her just desserts. It's fun seeing these situations spiral out of control and watching Nicole face the consequences of her own actions. Nicole is in complete control of her story, and that's why seeing how badly she can fuck it up is hilarious. Jecka on the other hand is the voice of reason that keeps the story grounded. She can get up to her own nonsense, but she has a moral compass and will never go as far as Nicole. By the standards of their universe, Jecka is a pretty decent person overall. That's why in her story, most of the situations aren't really funny. It's actually pretty depressing watching a girl get abused by everyone in her life and watching her sanity slowly unravel. Jecka is completely reactionary. The world takes a massive dump on her, and she's forced into risky and humiliating circumstances because of it. I can't help but feel sad for her, especially when her tormentors don't get punished usually. I think the difference can be summed up like this. Nicole WANTS to sell drugs because she WANTS to make cash and get out of community service hours. Jecka HAS to sell feet pics otherwise her abusive, freeloading dad will kick her out. Totally different vibe.
Yeah You can't use different ingredients and the same recipe Which is why I don't think sbn3 really put too much effort into it Didn't change up the formula at all and kinda.just wrote 3 hours of Jecka torture porn
Now imagine in a world, where we get a route going more in depth into Karen and Jeckas friendship and there being a route to reconcile, and or a route to kick her to the curb for good
The game feels more like a DLC than an entry in the trilogy, its just short, and has extremely fucked up scenes, even for 09 The Nicole suicide ending is a good example for a way the game could have more endings, parallel to some of Nicole's
With all the shite about sbn3 being revealed now, flipside was definitely meant to piss people off and drive out whoever he hates, leaving only himself and his most loyal fans.
@lukescrew1981 dude Ive seen you comment like on half the other comments with just saying they're wrong without any clarification. Do you have like an actual explanation or anything?
Another point to add into the convo is that the Creator's Self Insert Character is Jeffery he admits to being "A Jeffery" in school which may explain why Jeffery takes a far FAR more prominent role in this one compared to the others. Also in the ending text message it was so brutal towards Jeffery with his own mom basically grateful hes dead and she can move on with her life. Again being that Jeffery is THE SELF INSERT of the Creator and thats basically the only "good" ending gives another layer to this whole thing.
if i had a nickel for every time a game with an edgy mc with dark hair in a ponytail that gained a younger fanbase fell off bc the creator was a fucking weirdo i would have two nickels, which isn't a lot but its weird that it happened twice right (yandere sim)
I have only seen bits and pieces of the other class of '09 games but this is the first time I actually sat down to look at one of the games in full, and... Honestly, I am just glad to know that the series is, in fact, funny and satirical most of the time. My experience with this game with relatively little experience from the other games was comparable to intentionally horrifying media like black souls or metamorphosis (which are both strangely apt comparisons given how many fetish things seem to have been pumped into this game). It just made me feel really, really sad. And, that's not necessarily a bad thing, it just seems like it completely and utterly missed the mark for what people expect and want from class of '09
Absolutely In 09 and the Re-up shitty situations are very real but still more humorous because Nicole is a much less emotional person and can wrestle some sense of control out of it And Nicole has good endings in her game not all of them are bad Flip side has no good endings for Jecka
@@40KKenseiI don't know if this is what Sbn3 was going for. But I have seen the idea tossed around that the reason Jecka doesn't really get a good ending is because good people in life don't get good endings a lot of the time.
the first route i played i was like "THE FLIPSIDE IS SO GOOD IT BETTER THAN ALL OTHER GAMES COMBINEDD" but as i found the remaining routes i was like ".. this is NOT how nicole would behave.." "this is NOT how jecka would behave.." i just.. idk i still wanna love the flipside but i.. idk i will rank the re-up as the BEST co9 game
I do wonder if when they said the games are based of real personalities, encounters, and stories is true. And I somewhat like how they executed this game on a more serious note (it is a finale). But the fact Nicole gets better endings then Jecka actually shocks me ngl
@@godzillasstopmotions3661 to an extent yeah like noone who doesnt do dxm would go on and on about it at least lol but i doubt anyone got kidnapped by the taliban
The game is already pirated xD. "The stories and characters are all inspired by real events, encounters, and personalities experienced by the writer/lead developer." So basically he just wrote a fanfic about his high school crush that he never get to fuck and pretend he is the cute boy in this story. Thanks for sharing your kink, dev.
@@lukescrew1981 whats wrong w u bruh u've been replying to every single comment you disagree with, please stop worshipping body parts used for standing up straight
@@lukescrew1981 then why on earth are you defending this game, you're just saying dumb shit like "wrong!", which is gonna make people jump to conclusions. what is the point?
14:48 that part is defensible on sbn3’s part. jecka is written as racist. he wrote “all white girls are either really gay or really racist” in the flipside, i’m pretty sure he meant it, and on discord he canonically deconfirmed the jecka gay theories
i rlly disliked how they felt SO out of character... plus the sex slave ending while thinking that the palestinians r the ones at fault felt so disgusting especially considering the genocide happening :(
how is that even remotely relevant? they weren't thinking the palestinians are at fault or whatever, you can't generalize an entire population. its just that slavery is still very much prominent in the arab world and jecka is ignorant so she doesnt know if its a palestinian or a lebanese or a pakistani
@pdmisrael6149 thats not the point.. theres a fully grown man behind the scenes he couldve definitely n so EASILY not bring up any names like that yet he still chose too .. especially adding one that is of a delicate topic.. its just plain disrespectful.
@@fangtasticvampy how is it disrespectful? i dont get it. he didn't blame the entire palestinian population, just because the series of conflicts thats been going on for almost a century suddenly flared up in american news headlines again doesnt mean he cant say palestinians. this is especially silly considering how class of 09 has consistently been edgy
My interpretation of the listing multiple country names was that it was making fun of how normal, everyday Americans were not particularly knowledgeable about geography and the situation in the Middle East, despite the US military's involvement over there, during the late 2000's. I think the joke could've carried without listing Palestine as one of the countries named, though, and that probably would've been wiser considering the current situation.
it's no secret the creator doesn't like that the game blew up and it has somewhat of a fandom now but purposely "ruining" this game makes no sense. Has the creator ever seen a fandom before? People are just gonna pretend this game isn't canon and tell people they recommend the series to not to play it. Shitting out a half-assed game with third the amount of jokes as usual- a handful which are actually halfway funny, that acts as a 3 hour slide show presentation where you get to make a choice like 5 times- one of which doesn't even matter, was a waste of everyone envolved's time. The voice acting killed it and it feels like it was for nothing. I don't even think it's that bad characters were ooc, that could have been a fun way of exploring the fact that this is Jecka's perspective but that's not why those choices were made, those choices were made because the creator wanted people to hate nichole more.
i love dark humor, but if im not laughing, then the "dark humor" isn't doing what it set out to do and it's not funny. i genuinely can only think of maybe 3 short moments total where i was actually engaged in the story and the humor. the rest of the time i was either grossed out by the fetish content, feel sad cuz of the abuse jecka faced, but mostly i was just bored. dark humor is HUMOR, and i think the edginess should be secondary to making me laugh. if im not laughing, the dark humor is bad
25:10 i actually am not sure if its a miscommunication. idk this feels more like a deliberate attempt to alienate the younger fanbase that was not meant to be appealed to. idk the lack of actual humour and the constant dependency on shock value made me feel like they were just trying to see how much they can get away with "cus they're 18 now"
Part of the humor of Class of '09 was that Nicole was wrong. Yes she was right to an extent, that many men ARE in fact predators, but not ALL men are predators or evil in some type of way. She was wrong in the Megan Route, she was a trash girlfriend to Ari, many points in the games are about how mostly EVERYONE sucks. Having a plotline in this spinoff where quite literally every man is cartoonishly evil and they have an evil layer they found from the evil counselor who had an evil riddle and bla bla bla... that was just cartoonishly stupid. Another thing, everything was oversexualized. EVERYTHING. You have the foot route, Jecka kissing Ari for literally no reason, Ari's aśs being out over her dead body, (that scene is supposed to look graphic, and unattractive, in order to properly illicit a dark tone, using Jecka's nonchalant narration) every illustration being tïtty central, the murdering Jeffery route where Nicole is practically moàning every sentence, the FYE sèx dungeon route, the süicide route where Jecka's tïts are out, and instead of actually feeling thematic like in the first game, it feels creepy, like the developer just wanted to jack off. Yeah this game was creepy. A few funny jokes here and there, definitely. But what the fuçk. Also barely felt like a complete game. It seemed rushed and there were not nearly as many route choices as the first two games
I don't think nicole is out of character, I just think this is how jecka views here since we're playing in her pov. I also think it's less funny BECAUSE we are jecka, because jecka isn't a sociopath. she doesn't find this stuff funny. I feel extremely bad for her. Nicole is so horrible for her :(
There's a different between dark humor and just being a fucking weirdo the if and the re-up was dark humor shock value but the flip side was just like we lost the plot
This is such a good video. Its not bad because it's dark. it's bad because its poorly done in multiple ways. Jecka is Nicole's friend but she is NOT the same as Nicole so it's a lot harder watching certain situations happen with no sort of clarity or punchline
I’ll never understand how someone could make something popular and then intentionally sabotage themselves for… Did he even have a reason or is it just a pure hate boner for his own game’s fanbase?
Just to weigh in on the whole “mischaracterization” discourse, I feel it’s not a matter of mischaracterization but more so of perspective. The last 2 games were from Nicole’s perspective, so of course the sociopathic and inhumane stuff she does is going to seem rational and lighthearted. Now that the game of from Jeckas perspective we can see how Nicole ACTUALLY is.. a sociopath. I mean, the jecka suicide ending is essentially the same as the Arri and Karen endings from the re-up: Nicole goes way too far in pursuit of revenge over something extremely petty. The only difference is Jecka and Nicole have history, but to someone like Nicole that doesn’t even matter. Nicole never actually cared about Jecka, she was just easy to use as an accessory to her schemes, and someone to kill time with. Lastly you can clearly see a downward spiral of Nicole, even just from the first game and the re-up. Most of the first game Nicole despite taking things far every now and then was almost always a victim or in the right, while in the re up most of Nicole’s decision making came down to what would be the most amusing to her. Not trying to say this is a masterpiece by any means, I mean it’s definitely my least favorite in the series and was a huge letdown. I just think the biggest problems are the games lack of options and that the game definitely isn’t as funny as the rest, but I think the characters actually make sense in this game imo
Honestly, that was my thought about exactly Nicole. She's genuinely a monster, but we don't get to see that in the games told from her perspective BECAUSE SHE'S TELLING THE STORY IN THE FIRST 2 GAMES. Those stories are biased towards her because she doesn't see what she does as wrong, while in Flip Side we're seeing Nicole without the filters because this one is being "told" by someone who doesn't have to share a head with her every second of every day. There's a lot of valid criticism of the game, but "Nicole is OOC" feels weak because a shift in perspective means that we're not going to see everyone the same way we did before.
i dont really think it’s a matter of perspective bc like we know Nicole is an asshole and petty but in the homeless route in the re up when Jecka rejects Nicole’s request to live with her family, nicole really didn’t go commit revenge on jecka, and still chose to hang out with her while she was being exploited.
I understand what you mean but she says word for word "Ew, I'm not gonna fuck him" in the re-up so it's kind of unlikely for Nicole to stick her toes in a 50 year old man's mouth
I genuinely don’t feel this is what the writers chose to do. They just made her plain unlikeable and a hypocrite. Nicole is shown to have this attachment albeit unhealthy but nonetheless still an attachment to jecka and DOES make up for things when she screws up.. even when jecka ditches her in some of the endings of the previous games she doesn’t do any heinous shit like the ending w her feet in jeckas dads mouth. She yells at jecka constantly in this game about being a sex worker when she literally did the same thing in the last game.. not wanting to share is not “wronging” anyone but you could also say Nicole being the psycho she is could take it like that but like I said jecka literally has done worse things to Nicole in the first two games and Nicole didn’t really do anything like this - and it’s so out of no where too. Nicole has a weird attachment to Jecka since she’s really her only friend and in the games she’s really the only person she tolerates so seeing this massive switch from that has nothing to do with perspective.. I personally believe the writer just didn’t like the ships so they made her switch up like that considering none of the other character interactions with Nicole was any different Don’t get me wrong Nicole is a terrible person but it was always different with jecka but we both have our opinions.
When i watched the playthrough of this game yesterday i was sleepy and i genuinely thought i was dreaming because there was no way it was actually that bad, but nope, it's really that bad
I think a time appropriate version of that is her becoming a camgirl, or a MySpace escort like Nicole was in the homeless route. Same narrative purpose but actually fitting with the era this takes place in. ALSO is it weird that in that route where Nicole sells her body we never actually see her clients (besides the last one) or see what she does, but in the route where Jecka sells her body we see her clients and these encounters in detail, or is it just me who thinks that's weird?
I keep saying this but Nicole WAS OOC and people will be like "Well she's a sociopath" but here's the thing she isn't always so cold and heartless. people point out she does help jecka, but you know what ELSE she almost did? Apologize to Ari. Sure she doesn't actually do it but if you pay attention to the scene she genuinely seems like she feels a little bit bad and is about to apologize until Ari apologizes first for not respecting Nicoles boundaries which THEN nicole takes advantage of it. She's still a terrible person but never to the extent shown in Flipside, ESPECIALLY not to Jecka.
the thing is, the creator himself was always some lame incel who (let's be real) probably was just getting off to it. what probably happened is that he wanted the fanbase to be 4chan types who only liked it for the edginess, but when the fanbase instead turned out to be mostly gay teenagers, he got so upset that he intentionally made a garbage game to alienate them. there's no care or passion here, just mindless edgy BS, spite, and gooner content.
Watching the game, it all just felt so weird. The moment I started watching the video, I felt like everything was way too different. The characters just felt so random and not even close to the last few games. Maybe Nicole was kind of the same but also she just felt different too, though I can’t put my finger on what was different about her. Idk, everything just felt off and not really similar to the past two games. Just relied on fetish content and shock value :^
@@40KKenseiif you're talking about the most infamous ending in this game with Nicole. It is no surprise to me that somebody like Nicole would be bitchie about her friend not getting her in on money. There's an entire route in the second game where it's just her being petty over some student-teacher.
@@RaNgErs_Rep Her getting back at Jecka over petty shit doesn't bother me, it's the fact that it's a vehicle for a foot fetish joke that sorta threw me off. Plus while she's definitely got a precedent for manipulating men using sexual favors she seems to have an active distaste for actually acting it out. If she did something like in the Re-Up with Hunter, that'd probably be more in character, but honestly it just feels weird
PROGMAN FICS MENTIONED❤️🔥❤️🔥❤️🔥 some of the best interpretations of the characters and the author does such a good job expanding on the reasons the characters are like this without justifying everything they do
honestly to me the taliban sex trafficked route/ending was way worse than the foot fetish routes, Nicole brings a lot to the games and shes by far the most present in the feet ones, her character wasn't handled that well in the whore ending but seeing her cruelty from jecka's perspective was something i liked in both of the feet endings even if it was much better executed in the "good" ending
Im somewhat happy, that the flipside is that controversial in terms of the narrative. Its experimental, it tries to portray what frenzy Nicole looks like. The flipside of pov, the one from the victim of such "crazy scenarios". Maybe its not fully faithful to the previous installments, but I'll happily take that over "Oh its fan favorite masco- I mean Nicole being in an adult crazy enviroment now... With a premise being only slightly changed from re-up or original 09. What could possibly go wrong?" franchize installment
Like get this 09 was about characterizing the boys side Re up was about characterizing the girls side Who you want to characterize now and not make your effort look like a copy of previous games? You characterize the victim of the abuse. The one, who is so close to the enemy, that she can see terrible actions from the flip-side. Nicole's "bestie"
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TLDR: too much feet
Ye 🦶
Fr
Not enough you mean 😂
@@growingoaksHUH?
@@growingoaksget out no one wants you here
I Honestly expected The Flipside to be what jecka's perspective on the previous games 💀
SAME
@@Bunnyboop234it does have, only in bad ending of Nicole getting suicide in the first game. The rest of the gameplay is either suffering and fan foot service
wouldn't mind the feet so much if there were more endings. The feet should not be 33% of the game thats egregious.
Edit: Also, if the humor and Nicole and Jecka's relationship was consistent with the first game. But instead its just foot fetish for the sake of foot fetish not this kid is weird and hes not and shouldnt be validated in his weirdness ever at all for any reason
@@cupidsangel5472it’s 2 out of 5 endings.
that’s 40% 🤢
Creator of this game definitely has some weird ass fetish.
God Jecka deserves justice because the girl DID NOT get a single good ending in her own story
Stand behind me Jecka, I will protect you
Wonder why
Honestly, In terms of endings, the Jeffery OD ending was a pretty decent one. Copius, bizzarely intricate usage if the foot fetish shit aside, Jecka snaps out of it and gets herself together, and the only loss was Jeffery, who was presented as a net negative to humanity at best.
that what happens when your not a psycho that just doesnt care ig but i do like the game it just isnt humourous maybe it just wasnt meant to be funny most of the time and just show what happens when you dont take control of your life or you have to much control
@@damienwallace9493 Yep
There was so much wasted potential. They could have added an ending with Jecka moving in with her mom, a Jecka and Karen friendship route with a good and bad ending, an unhinged Kyle yandere route, more endings for the FYD route, but instead we just got a bunch of fetish content. The first games handled the topics well, but the Taliban human trafficking bit and Jecka being coerced into escorting focused less on her psyche and how it affected her (apart from some pretty lazy 'oh she's crying, anyway, back to the feet' scenes), and more on just sexualizing everything because "she's 18 now!" which is the exact mindset the first games made fun of. The only thing I liked was how Nicole is shown for who she is without the main character bias, and Jecka's reaction to the suicide.
I ALSO WANTED A KAREN JECKA ROUTE but we got basically no karen :(
No it wasn't
@@lukescrew1981 bros trying to respond everything under a minute 😭😭
@@gyraida So?
@@lukescrew1981 i never said i didnt respect the hustle 🌛
Yeah Jecka's foot scenes didnt feel like it was for the story, and instead felt like actual genuine fetish scenes😭
Not even shock value
Those were funny as shit??? Seriously did nobody else think those were funny
@@klinxium8627 I honestly have rlly mixed feelings on everything in the game so I kinda need people to tell me how to feel
@@klinxium8627it was funny for 3 minutes. But it get dragggged onnnnnn. Compared to the first two games, the jokes never got longer than 30 seconds. At that point, is that even a joke anymore?
@@cookerbadg3 you like the game now. There, now you know how to feel
@@klinxium8627 okay
One of the steam reviews literally showed a screenshot of the creator admitting to rushing the game which is understandable because the hype might die down but what he didn't consider is that there's such a devoted fan base to it that IMO he could've took the extra time and not pressure himself then again this is just my outsider perspective
Oh yeah I saw that too
Though, that does mean that the game could receive updates. It makes no sense that it costs more for less endings. Chances are, he quickly finished the most shocking and anticipated endings (those with death involved for shock value and controversy, which he seems to be pretty good at) and still has several unfinished slightly less bad endings (or day even I say a few good ones). We'll have to wait and see
The game was good anyway
that makes me extremely sad. There's always a lot of pressure on creatives to ride the high of their popularity while it lasts bc its only there for so long and in this day and age, new fandoms dont pop up (AND LAST) so commonly anymore so I understand the anxiety and stress he might've felt to get the game out and live up to expectations before he loses the spotlight, but I wish he would've had more faith in his audience that they'd be both patient enough and loyal enough to wait out the release of a genuinely good game. I hope we get a revamp or a dlc that is able to correct this because I have a lot of faith in the series. I don't think the creator is a creep projecting his weird fetishes onto the game, I think he misunderstood what appealed to his audience about his games, and because of that failed to deliver genuinely good content. I think there's still room for redemption and I hope he takes the criticism as motivation and inspiration to do better.
@@cupidsangel5472 Except the game is good
This is just 90% fetish content. 7% torture. And 3% (ATTEMPTED) jokes.
100% torture for the player as well
@@40KKensei It SOUNDS awful just from your description 😭😭😭
deadass lmao
@@40KKenseifuck yeah dude i watched someone play it and it was so trash 😭 just so edgy
The fucking Nicole foot thing ending is actually so weird 😭😭
When I heard my favorite character, Jecka, was going to be the protagonist of the next installment, I was preparing myself for some campy Mean Girls, Heathers, Legally Blonde type humor. Not a game with a hyperfixation on death and feet.
BRO SAMEE they really raised the hype with the glittery pink bimbo aesthetic i am absolutely devastated
Thing is, writing Jecka as a protagonist means inherently having to write differently from the first two games, because Jecka, although she sometimes does edgy humor and does selfish actions, is more compassionate and kind than Nicole (not that much but all the characters are bad in their own way). She doesn’t seem the protagonist of this game, but rather the victim, and most things don’t seem like the direct result of her actions, which is frustrating considering most visual novels are liked BECAUSE of the narrative choice aspect.
A good Class of 09 game with Jecka as the protagonist would have had a different tone, and maybe the writer feared that the writing would have alienated the fans of the previous two instalments who wanted edgy, mean spirited storylines. But funnily enough since this game is much more torture porn-y than the other too, it ends up being less edgy, as in it doesn’t have an edge anymore. I don’t care what happens to the protagonist, I just become numb and bored. Oh, look at that, some more abuse, how original. I love seeing my main character being mistreated by the universe for no good reason.
to me the entire thing felt rushed- like they were originally going to make alot more but only finished the foot fetish routes before realizing they were behind schedule and rushed everything else
IT WAS LITERALLY RUSHED.... the creator himself literally said that he didn't wanna put effort into the flipside just because he could put more effort into better game ideas just because "the flipside won't even get media coverage"... like WHAT.. stupidest reason ever to be a trashy game dev.
@@str4wb3rryo3oin the texts at the ending, SBN even claims that child predators infiltrated the fandom and use “secret phrases to identify themselves” and coincidentally, all of the phrases he mentions are criticisms of the game or himself.
He also signs the text as “SBN3 - aka god” so idk, seems like he’s really arrogant with the way he implies criticisms of the game mean they’re predators. He even goes as far as to encourage people to report them to police.
The games themselves are entertaining but the creator himself is just somethin else tbh. Ive never seen someone so arrogant as to imply criticizing them or the game means someone is a child predator.
Another phrase is “No! That never happened!” and I gotta say, while pdfilia IS an issue, the FYE illegal porn warehouse never happened and also the government never sold anyone into sex trafficking TO THE TALIBAN to keep them silent. Im saying that never happened, so by his logic I’m a child predator even though I’m not.
Yeah no
@@growingoaks I don’t think the creator was being serious on calling ppl who dislike the game pdfiles and calling himself god, it’s moreso a troll
@@str4wb3rryo3o FRRRRRRRR!?
i kinda found it weird that we didnt get options in places where the og game would give it. idk did she really had to flirt w the teacher or she couldnt flirt harder like "im sorry i got grounded or smth" idk
i was honestly surprised that during the mr katz thing it didnt have any options, instead it was just jecka immediately going to the last resort,, and i really feel like there shouldve been an option there.
Maybe because to Jecka she didn’t THINK of an option, maybe it shows what her personality is like and what she automatically thinks of doing without thinking about a second choice
Yeah that's what really stood out to me when watching the full playthrough of it, ig he couldn't be assed to make more endings or smth
@@yyuU-hm6ywI like the idea, but that feels like an excuse for lazy development. It kind of makes less sense too since Jecka has been known to be more rational and think about thinks more than Nicole. So it would make sense for Jecka to have choices there
I think the main difference between flipside and the other two games is that every ending that happens to nicole feels like the consequence of her/the players actions. Here it just seems like things happens to jecka just to be edgy. And also the endings are usually proportional to nicoles actions (aside from maybe the ari rejection route), while in flipside jecka's endings aren't proportional to her choices.
Not really
@@lukescrew1981how so
@@ammo1005 Yes
We were barely even given choices tbf😭
Idk, is more like things happened to Jecka for having shitty company.
Everyone felt super out of character for me. The flip side Jecka wouldn't be mad at Nicole's suggestion to make crack while the flipside Nicole would make the crack and immediately turn Jecka in for making crack.
For fuckin real
What? how do you figure that? Nicole was just as if not even more unhinged in this game as she was in the other games
Best way I've seen it be explained, they feel like completely different characters
No?
If anything, she'd (Nicole) would at least try to get them both out of it... what about Nicole tells you she'd sell out her friend that quickly?
she missed out on 800 dollars and just straight up ruined jecka's life @@kyperactive
actually what was that game dawg!!
Nicole literally stood up for jecka when the counsellor was hitting on her while smoking, even when it got her into trouble. she’s told the counsler that she likes jecka, and jecka didn’t do anything to warrant nicole’s revenge so it feels out of character to me that she betrays jecka at all???
plus I haven’t seen anyone talk about this but Emily was done so dirty in the flip side it just didn’t feel like her at all to me :((
yeah sbn3 sucks
You're right; Not my Emily!
I feel like all of those things are actually pretty in character. I see a lot of people mention the fact that Nicole was nicer in the OG and Re-Up and she's too evil in The Flipside. Nicole does more nice things for Jecka in the previous games because she's lonely and needs Jecka to distract her from her problems and not feel like a loser, she's still a bad person. Look at what she did to Ari and Megan, Jecka was just more popular and more stable so Nicole held on to her probably for easy opportunities to get fucked up. Her getting petty in the foot route isn't as unrealistic as we might think, and while the foot fetish scenes are dumb by themselves, the resolutions are not the worst. As for Emily I feel like the fandom characterised her to be a silly gay girl who cuts and not a suicidal and highly unstable girl that cheats on her boyfriend and falls for a girl because she agrees to have suicide with her, she also doesn't really like Jecka so I think she would be stand offish like that
@@Chromianed wait you’re kinda right, except I think she picked on Megan because she got in her face and stuff, and picked on ari because she went against her and took her “depression excuse”, which is really extreme but like she didn’t really know either of them so it was easier to hate them. it’s just that I thought she hung around jecka because she was cool, not because she thinks she’ll be a loser if she doesn’t, so her betrayal was too random for me 😭🙏
Also i don’t consume any fan content for class of 09, so I wasn’t expecting her to be silly, it’s just that when she was calling jeckole a poser for going to a concert, i thought that was too random
thanks for replying!! ^^
@@Chromianed I don't exactly think nicole is a good person but that's not to say nicole is dishes it equally out to everyone, this was absolutely something she'd have done to anyone else but she literally never been as judgemental towards jecka as she was in this game. Jecka went through a white supremacist phase without nicole drawing a line and not sharing a foot business with her is what made her lash out?? it's so unlikely. I for sure think nicole would've done it anyway but her revenge was so unwarranted and out of left field considering her relationship with jecka. I think nicole has always respected and favored jecka and while I do not think she loves jecka by any means, again, because that girl is certainly a sociopath.. Idk this was out of no where
class of 09: the FEET side..
The 𝓯𝓻𝓮𝓪𝓴side
CLASS OF TOE9
in like, the *first* game, Jecka mentions that her friends were put in a different lunch period right? Having other friends would've made for interesting scenarios, new flavors of toxic friendships, etc. and this game would've been a perfect opportunity for that....
ironically even if this game is supposed to be about jecka i can't think of a single moment in it that elaborates on her characterisation from the other games in any meaningful way aside from "her dad abuses her". dissapointing
So you didn't play
@@lukescrew1981 played and got all endings lol. if you disagree you're welcome to make an actual point
How can it be meaningful if her role wasn’t too major in the past two games, that’s why they made a game for her specifically, one of the routes branches from after high school which we don’t get to see in the first game too cuz they’re still in school, the games called the flip side because it contrasts how different Nicole and Jecka are from eachother.
@@kamiWasFrozen the game is about her, and yet it has nothing to say about her as an individual? nothing to explore from the groundwork the first games laid? "not like her comically evil best friend" is not compelling writing and does not do her justice
@@goldbane "Nothing to explore from what the groundworks laid" Once again, little to no information given that was useful in those games. "Nothing to say about her as an individual, already said how she differs from Nicole, how the choices she makes split from what Nicole would do, and how Nicole's influence causes her to end up in the situations she ends up in. Nicole's detachment keeping her away from other people's problems lead to her getting good endings, Jecka associating herself with other people led to her downfall. Also take some time to realize that not everyone is here for "compelling story-writing" and just wants to see funny stuff happen in an out of pocket VN.
Something that got tired real fast was Jecka's dad. His yelling, threaths of violence and hating his ex-wife made him look like a recolor of the cop, only he was used way more sparingly and when he would start yelling it would actually surprise you
yeah honestly it got tiring anticipating the yelling
Jecka's dad reminded of Kyler in game 1, but at least Kyler wasn't very noticeable in some endings of game 1, here Jecka's dad was literally shouting at Jecka in every single ending
i heard the creator intentionally made the game this way to alienate the fanbase bc it didnt attract other incels like he'd hoped for, but instead mostly teen girls
Right on the money, especially if you go off his twitter lol. The vast majority of fans of the game as of late at least from what ive seen are women
That sounds very paraphrased
Seeing the visual novel anime girl equivalent of Eric Cartman end up homeless or dead because of her own wildly absurd and monstrous actions is kinda funny.
Seeing a mostly jaded girl end up enslaved just because she wanted the paycheck she very well earned is just really sad.
Also Jecka’s dad was probably an attempt to recapture the humor of that scene in the Re-Up where the cop threatens and shouts at her after shooting Nichole. It didn’t work.
Class of 09 to me at least was about Nicole's Reactions to the World around her. It was like It's Always Sunny but with Nicole and everyone else being the extremely terrible and awful person. Her reactions to Her situation are absolutely hilarious, and so is her interactions with Other Characters, especially the teachers and Adults. Jecka for me just can't really carry a story on her own. She needs Nicole to Bounce off of. Don't get me wrong, some scenes with Jecka are absolutely hilarious, but usually those scenes are with Nicole. Also, not to mention Jeffery appears way more often then he does in Previous games. Again, Jeffery works in short bursts, and usually his appearances are fucking funny, but they use him too much in here.
Also, I forgot to mention the Relatable and Realistic Humor and Endings. Like, you could reasonably imagine Nicole going to prison or Her Getting Into a Psych Ward, strangely enough. The Taliban Slave ending is absolutely just fantasy and Rainbows. It isn't realistic. It feels lazy. And you may say the whole White Power ending from the OG game is unrealistic, but it's way more realistic than whatever that ending was.
Overall, The Flipside was a massive disappointment, and generally just failed to capture what made Class of 09 actually special, which was it's realistic and relatable humor about high school life. Now, all this game consists of is just Foot Fetish shit and Unfunny Jokes that utterly fail to land.
4/10. What a Pitiful way to end a Trilogy.
i think jecka needed a more light and grounded approach for her game, i finished the game and wow it was like soap opera to me. it traded absurdity and societal observation for shock content and one dimensional characters
literally
Yeah no
It should’ve been Emily 😭😭 they could’ve made it edgy but actually funny and deep
You say that but at least half the endings are some of the most realistic endings in class of 09 as a series.
If the flipside was a Jecka backstory (pre-nichole/senior year era) it would've been more creative maybe. This just feels like a DLC for the first game, not even re-up. Just endings with no real outcome, if any, to add onto the lore. Just straight up horrible things that happen to Jecka.
I would have liked to see how school was before Nicole got there. I wish they would have shown Jecka in college with a mainly new cast but incorporated some of the characters in a few choices.
The characters feel so out of character. In the first 2 games the girls were bad people but they would show human emotion like sadness and panic in actually serious situations. In this one they don't care about anything. Nicole and jecka straight face killing 2 people while in the original Nicole starts panicking after someone she hates died(she started yelling and panicking when her teacher got killed by a cop). It feels like they made the characters less human and just blatantly evil when in the first 2 they did take stuff like death seriously.
No they don't
@@lukescrew1981 yes they do. Their behavior is way out of line and doesn't match their pre-established morals,limits and triggers.
@@pekka_lover_69 No they don't
it’s like they’re trying to push the sociopath thing onto people. Like Jecka is so different too, she’s literally YELLING at people (mostly Crispin but he deserves it) and it’s just random?? or when she purposely makes Crispin break his leg and she could care less? Nicole also was concerned (for a second) when her mom died but even then she didn’t really cry over it and Jecka was disturbed and sounded like she was going to cry for Nicole AND even apologizes for being passed out on a drug that NICOLE GAVE HER. The Flip Side Jecka wouldn’t care about Nicole’s mom dying from what it seems like, in the Jeffery dying part she sounded shocked but in other ones she doesn’t sound like she gives a damn (obviously the game is rushed sooo..)
@@lukescrew1981 jecka was extremely remorseful towards any situation with death before and in this new one she couldn't care less.
I only good joke was the 7 second joke
Agreed. I can actually see the kids mocking each other then going “7 seconds :)” like they do here
Yeah the anti bullying scene was funny
and the hatman, i liked him
Truth. Those roasts were mean. Especially this happening in the late '08
Yeah no
It really annoys me how a lot of people are saying that Class of 09 was always “edgy” and had “dark humor” or that Nicole was “always a bad person you don’t understand her/the game”. It’s very annoying and willfully obtuse to the genuine criticisms that majority of the fan base is having for a reason. of all the first two Class of 09 games are satirical and rarely ever punch down at minorities and when handling dark topics/dark humor there was always a cleanly aspect to it. In fact, I think Class of 09’s popularity showed that there’s still very much a place for dark humor/bold satire as this generation has mostly left South Park and Family Guy behind. It just has to handled well. For example, when Nicole has the gym teacher plotline we don’t actually SEE anything sans her lying on the floor and with the incredibly tragic homeless plotline where she is being abused and forced to sell sex, we don’t see any of the abuse but our feelings are centered on Nicole and her psyche. However, in the Flipside the game goes out of its way to point out that the characters are 18 and present a storyline where they’re not only immediately in sexual situations but specifically making a fetish the center of it and having weird angles along with a trafficking ending that shows the abused Jecka in a pink bikini.
And thank you for pointing out that Nicole WAS OOC, I have a lot of issues with the way defenders of the game treat Nicole while this game seems to just feel mean spirited to her. In the first game while Nicole may be a sociopath (she likely is), is not a nice person, and can do a myriad of bad to just horrible things there’s the nuance that comes with critical thinking and picking up context clues to know that she is, ultimately, a kid. A kid with abusive parents whose father targeted her with revenge suicide when she was literally just 14. There’s nuance in Nicole’s character present in the first two games that show her as human and not just someone who is evil for evil’s sake. People who think Nicole was IC in this game are people who don’t WANT to think critically.
Also in the first two games there’s a myriad of choices, storylines, and endings that can go from mundane to incredibly dark from positive to depressing. This “game” has very little choices and only 5 endings where they all are “bad” to a pretty extreme degree where even Jecka’s best endings are the ones where she’s complicit in someone’s death. It’s so gratuitous and edgy for edgy’s sake. The Flipside was poorly written, lazily put together, and was a major flop. Thank you for this review, sorry for the long ass comment lol.
No worries about comment length
But yeah, I'm seeing a lot of "Nicole's a bad person takes"
Like yea, but that's not something Nicole would do to Jecka
I don't know who that body snatcher was but it wasn't Nicole
IT FEELS SO RUSHED IM SO GENUINELY DISAPPOINTED
Literally called FLIP. SIDE.
Like you said 09 and Re up had a myriad of options
Flipside only had "Bad" endings
That's the exact purpose of it lol
Bro wrote the entire bible 💀💀💀💀
tbh it feels like they just made nicole ooc so they could shove the character into a scene where she puts her feet into a guys mouth so creepy perverted coomers can goon to it 😒how do u go from hesitant to doing upper favors to SURVIVE to willingly shoving ur feet into ur bestfriends dad's mouth for revenge they just did all this weird crap to force this weird child corn feet fetish and fricking lesbianism fetish and sex slave crap
it's been revealed that snb3 (the creator) purposely made the game terrible by putting his fetishes and ideals at the forefront because he didn't like the type of fans he was getting
bc originally he was hoping the game would attract the edgy 14 year old "racism = dark humor" audience
didn't he also bully an autistic child
@@sorentotheskyyes, viciously, and in his twenties
@@StrabbyStrabbyoh my fucking god you're serious??
@@cheddarchemist5644 yeah, unfortunately. There is a video of him doing it and before the person cut it down (because it contained personal information abt them) it was LONG. More than likely it wasn't just one either bc he'd go and find ppl on Skype to bully like this. I'd say he went for autistic ppl specifically (because it seems like he does!) But I guess I don't have proof about thst so I'll just say people for now
Sucks that this video was posted like two days too early to be able to include this information in it 💀 Twitter has never been a great source but that IS where the audio of him doing this is so the thread is there. It's by a popular youtuber too, don't know them myself but everyone freaked out when they realized who it was so that'll probably make it easier to find.
@@StrabbyStrabby found it and heard it, wow what a loser. Bro thought slinging slurs made him tuff.
The only fun ending was ironically the one where Ari died
''You'll never guess WHO we crashed into! Ari!! What a small world!!''
Like, that was the only line that made me actually giggle. That was abt it tho :/
i think like all the lines that make me laugh were from kylar. he was highlight of the game for me tbh. but yeah that was my favorite ending too lol, felt the most class of ‘09-y
@@EM-xw1dm "If I punch you in the neck, flip a coin bitch." is my favourite line
Idek why that was an ending. A popular gag in the other games was people just dying and life going on. Like, if it ended with Jecka getting arrested or something it'd make more sense
@@ananyanyan Most likely to have one of the endings just be ''Haha funny'', while simultaneously being shocking to a degree. The entire game was feeling really tryhard at having more ''WTFF'' moments than actually making me care for any other character besides Jecka..
The whole warehouse route felt like a D&D campaign with helluva boss humor
Not really
@@lukescrew1981 I just mean the counselor talking like a quest giver and the entire thing being a riddle mystery
@@hostomelhorsehoarder Ok and?
@@lukescrew1981 and read my original comment
@@lukescrew1981 Seriously dude, do you have any other arguments other than shitty 2 word 'no u' sentences?
26:13 I just don't understand why a person making a game centered around teenage girls would heavily dislike that it has that type of audience. Like is that not what makes the franchise somewhat successful? Why throw it away to pander to some edgy gooners?
Probably because he himself is an edgy gooner would be my guess with what i know about him
@@40KKensei its truly such a shame. He could've laughed his way to the bank instead of being spiteful.
@@40KKenseihe doesn't even seem like a gooner. I was really surprised when I watched him talk to an hour to another creator.
He's a big left leaning,self hating white person, and I can definitely confirm from just the hour I heard him talk. He really is a mix of Nicole and Jeffrey.
He's not a gooner wtf?
@@GlassyCrib you're a goober lol
Gotta admit, the only ending I really appreciated was Jecka's pov on Nicole klling herself. Especially the last therapy session. Although I would have hoped for more choices (like with Mr Katz), I feel like this was the one ending in which thought was put into.
I'm asexual so, weirdly enough, the whole foot fetish arc didn't really bother me. Like, in the way that I didn't care, and I didn't even imagine that it could be the creator's own fetish ?? Now that people explain it it kinda makes sense though.. So yeah I didn't really think of it as a fetish when I played the game, which kinda helped. It was not terrible, but it was mid, like Nicole's whole "selling herself on myspace" was way better. And there was no weird CGI-
Apart from that, the slave ending was NOT NECESSARY and really weird, Nicole getting with Jecka's dad really felt OOC, crushing into Ari was okay I guess although not really good, and Jeffery's death was in-character for everyone so I'd say it's the second best ending.
I did like Jecka's scenes with her dad, and all the therapy moments. But honestly, this game was really mid. Not that bad, and some moments were actually funny, but in the end it's reaaally mid. If it were not for Jecka's pov on Nicole's death it would have completely sucked.
Felt rushed, writing goes from very good to complete trash (and easily 75% is complete trash), but I didn't have the worst time of my life playing it. 4/10 for me, waiting for the fix-it fanfics now
interesting cause as someone who’s also ace (🫱🏼🫲🏻) idk why but the foot fetish thing bothered me lots LOL
I'm ace too, i totally get what you mean about the foot fetish parts. I also really resonated with her interactions with her dad and jecka's helplessness. overall since the humour didn't really land for me the game was just... really miserable imo. Also waiting for the fix-it fics lol. if the dev can't characterise Nicole right, ao3's got my back for sure
weird, as a fellow ace i got incredibly uncomfortable with the ff content and ending up muting/skipping through all of that stuff. however i agree on the fanfic point, i cant wait for The Flipside (Rewritten) to show up on ao3 LOL
@@mercipurrs Yeah, I can get that. For me it was like being stuck in a traffic jam; you don't really get why there's one, it's annoying, but it's so common that you don't really care anymore and eventually it gets moving.
Yeah no. Imagine being asexual
I'm really glad media literacy is alive and well in this fanbase.
I try my darndest
@@40KKensei
Please try harder
Apparently not
me when le buzzword
@@sadsenmmxvi Real
The biggest disappointment is that there were scenes in there that looked like they could've been expanded into their own routes. But instead of exploring the aftermath of kissing Ari or Emily becoming Jecka's stepmom, we get foot fetish and sex trafficking.
Jecka and Ari kissing was definitely fanservice, but I like the idea of a route where Emily and Jecka are now step-mom and step-daughter after being classmates, it would have had so much potential for jokes and even emotional moments.
It’s just really weird. Last game Nichole was an asshole, but this game she is just evil for evil.
Most of Nichole’s endings were fine because she did bad things to everyone so when bad things happened to her she somewhat deserved it to a decree.
Sells pot to pregnant mothers? Gets put in jail. Steals and runs from the cops shot. Goes and entertains a gross old man to just pass gym? Gets killed. Even something mundane like when she breaks up with a girl it’s all because of her doing.
Jecka. In like all but 1 ending was not responsible at all. Unlike Nichole. Her dad verbally abused her and forces her to get a job and then force her to make more. Forcing her to go to collage. Unlike Nicole jecka was never in control. Which makes the whole game feel instead of funny just…. Sad. And not fun at all toward the later endings of the game
A) If you pick to split the trauma with Nicole, she was willing and always willing to test her limits with Jeffrey, and she really mentioned multiple times why she wants Jeffrey to be dead, and why it's better for the world. This is not just during this game, but also in the previous 2 games too.
B) If you pick to keep the 20% to yourself from Nicole. Nicole sees Jecka as a best friend, but unwilling to split the profit from the earnings she's making. Heck, Nicole was even willing to work for the profit, and Jecka is like no, while dressed up like a Kardashian. So in Nicole's mind, she's absolutely pissed and started to plot her revenge using Jecka's dad, which she knows from before is absolutely into her, to mess with Jecka. The fact that Jecka killed herself was actually the wild choice, because Jecka had so many options to choose, and it appears odd that she went with suicide as a response to Nicole's clear and obvious trap. But no, she doesn't have street smarts like Nicole, and she clearly went with the dumb choice of suicide so everything checks out there.
In either case, there's no good ending, because only from Jecka's POV can you start to see why Nicole is a very bad influence. Nicole might be able to do reasonable action, but that's because we can see every detail from Nicole's POV, but Jecka's POV, some of Nicole's action is really crazy.
Finally, I should remind everyone about that favorite scene from the past 2 games. Yes, the 6 girls in the bathroom scene. Remember, Jecka thought it was wild for Nicole to be acting her plan on the true assumption that all the male teachers are pedo, so you can clearly see that Jecka doesn't know everything that Nicole sees.
Well it’s in jeckas pov that is why Nicole is shown as a horrible person
She was always like this
@@admiralthrawn7754 A) saying and doing are 2 different things. Plus if you go the route where your nice to Jeffrey everyone isolates themselves from you even jecka. For what? Being seen around with a nerd. And that’s the only route you take where ya end up killing youtself. And in others he takes a picture of you half naked and threatens to show the whole school.
B) Nichole does the extreme revenges for people who harass her on the daily. Nichole is a sociopath but the ONLY person she has done something nice for actively is jecka. Because outside of her everyone else she hates or had no relationship with. She does have female friends like Emily she never does a bad thing to that entire game but the people who had constantly harassed her was always ppl she did not know like that. She got with her dad for a petty argument about money. One argument. From the only person in the school that she tolerated enough to hang out and do I no something nice for and actively want to hang with. Her doing that to anyone else would make sense if it was not jecka.
There are no hero’s. Everyone is Bad either form circumstance or choice. If this whole story was about jecka’s relationship with Nichole I would agree with you. But it’s not. Nichole is a bad influence but it’s never really about Nichole. But what remains constant form the 2 games is that that’s her only TRUE friend. And whichever ending is cannon it feels weird for just Nicole to do revenge like that on her old friend no matter the argument.
On a less in-depth note I HIGHLY doubt that Nicole who wants NOTHING to do with Jeffrey is willing to go to Jeffrey’s house and SHARE her drugs and ALCOHOL with him just because she is…. Bored??? If he was trying to kill him sure but that’s just lazy to me. Nichole from the last 2 games would not even go 10 yards from Jeffrey let alone his house for ANY reason
@@lukescrew1981 not towards her only friend Jecka
the best description/reaction to this game is: "what the fuck."
apt
I read that in Jecka‘s voice
i saw someone on pinterest say that the flipside feels like if vivziepop and urbanspook came together and wrote a class of 09 game. theyd be correct because the way it relies on shock "humor" is insane. not to mention the fact that there's literally one death per route, like pls- 😭
NOOOO, that makes so much sense 😭
Damn, triple homicide.
The Taliban ending was not only atrocious but Jecka repeatedly saying not racist is just fucking weird as shit.
they were trying so hard to be funny omg
@@str4wb3rryo3o and it fucking wasnt
It was good shut up
@@lukescrew1981 what’s so good about human trafficking and sex slaves? Please do defend your case I’d love to hear your opinion
@@momo.netorare898 When did I say that human trafficking is good?
Class of 09 the shitslide
Very funny
The lack of choices was a huge disappointment and everyone felt out of character. Like I could see Nicole getting pissed at Jecka for not wanting to split the money, but there’s no way Nicole would do…that…with jecka’s dad. She’d spread a rumor about jecka being an actual sw or find out who jecka’s customers were and make something up that disgusts or freaks them out enough to where Jecka is hardly making any money, if any at all. I feel the most of the endings could’ve been rewritten better. Like an ending where Jecka ultimately goes to college but she questions how long she can keep up the facade until she realizes she doesn’t have a choice BUT to keep it up until either her dad inevitably dies from a heart attack or she just snaps under the pressure. What about an ending where Jecka and Nicole never interact again after the falling out and it’s not until she’s much older and has moved on with her life that Jecka realizes Nicole never saw her as a real friend and only saw her as someone to toy with? If you wanted a REALLY dark ending, why not have Jecka eventually becoming numb to everything around her. After Nicole’s death she slowly begins to show sociopathic tendencies and eventually becomes one herself? I made these up in my head and I think having these endings or variations of them would’ve been super interesting and likely gotten more praise than the actual endings. I also felt the creator was being condescending. “if you see any of these comments in the forums report them immediately to the authorities”. It’s like he knew the game was gonna be seen as inferior so he made something up as a cop out to take some of the heat off
The game was very flat, the lack of choices also made it incredibly boring, this has the least amount of endings with a total of 5 with a slightly shorter 100% time than the re-up. and yeah, a lot of the jokes,,, had a lack of punchline to it, like not even the good voice acting could save it
some dialogue felt super awkward too, and not in the "omg im uncomfortable" awkward just the dialogue isnt flowing well awkward
the intro music was SUPER good though and fit what I feel like class of 09 prior to this was, badass yet chill
@@aristotlemodel the art was nice, I think
But Jecka's voice acting was probably some of the best in the whole series
Wrong
@@TheTruerMann that too
Honestly what made the first two games so good is they had great deadpan. Nicole saying “I guess we’re racist now” is funnier than Nicole JUST being racist. The same goes for the mein kampf scene, the joke isn’t mein kampf the joke is Kyle being a dumbass. These scenes didn’t laugh “because racism” they laughed at how stupid the racism in them was
On the subject of Nicole being out of character im gonna explain it how I processed it:
Its not really out of character for Nicole to retaliate by using something another character is invested in against them as we've seen her do with megan, what is out of character is for her to do it to Jecka, but I also dont see Nicole lashing out on Jecka the way she did in a manner that would lead to this happening nor do I see her even asking another character if she could do it with them (except maybe Emily? But similarly to Jecka, she would not do this or talk to Emily like this) so for all those reasons that entire scenario is out of character.
Edit: I liked the art wish they would've given us more art that wasnt of foot fetish or sex slave content
Yeah like it was obvious Jecka was hurt more than Nicole was? All Jecka did was tell her no and Nicole responded with calling her a whore? So that was kind of already equal
She wasn’t actually wronged? It was very clear she hurt Jecka already just from saying that. And while Nicole does show in other games that when someone does her wrong she makes an effort to do them worse 100 fold
She like
Didn’t do anything though
There’s no way Nicole got her satisfaction from that
Especially with Jecka killing herself later
That ending had good foreshadowing but I think it would have been just as good of an ending if Nicole snitched on Jecka to her dad saying “well if your job is so respectable and you’re not a whore, what’s wrong with telling your father you’re a sex worker?”
In a snobby way
And then ofc chaos ensues since her dad is abusive yk
I feel like Nicole could then have an honest moment of being like
“Oh shit I didn’t know your dad was actually crazy”
And they deal with him together or something idk
Oh and they could even make it a plot twist by Nicole saying she just wants to do it with Jecka for free
And the whole time Nicole collects pictures she shows her dad
And that’s how we get the shock factor
Like
:000 betrayal
But Nicole in that ending was just so incredibly low and random
And yeah
Nicole last game or so would have been upset she made Jecka run off like that
I think it’s also so unfortunate bc Nicole isn’t dumb
And when she commented on Jecka’s reaction to being called a whore
There could have been a great route for Jecka telling Nicole how bad her dad actually is
Ugh there totally should have been an ending where they just killed her dad ngl 💀
Basically there was just so much more depth and meaning this game could have had
And these two paralleling characters could have really tied things together like all the messages in the first game did
There’s a difference between dark humor and just being plain distasteful
And this game was the former
Womp Womp
@@lukescrew1981dude why are you so upset
Do you have a hobby or smth
@@a110coolio9 I have
My overall opinions of this game for me:
1. The options were too limited, Nicole sold her body yeah but it wasn’t like that was the ONLY route for her/route you had to ALWAYS choose 2. Besides like the Kylar joke in the hot topic, a few didn’t laugh as much in this as I did in the first two 3. The fact there is no “good” to at least “decent” endings, with the first two games having messed up endings was fine because we had decent/good endings as well- this game having basically near none of that is an issue 4. Nicole herself was a bit mischaracterized here I’d say like I know she literally kinda used Megan’s boyfriend and all that in a previous game but how we know Nicole & Jecka’s relationship I can’t help but feel she either wouldn’t do that- or only do that it Jecka pushed her hard enough which she just didn’t.
Overall this game is underwhelming but every game from a company ain’t gonna be a 10/10 perfect hopefully they can use this game as a learning experience on how not to use their characters or just what route to not go down. And with an anime coming out eventually hopefully they can use this to make sure it’s the best adaptation for wacky and dark game series as possible.
Unfortunately I'm pretty sure this was the last game of Class of 09 and SNB3
@@Chaki21 oh really? Sucks if that’s true but eh-
I really hope this doesn’t blunder the scriptwriting and development for the anime pilot coming out 😭
anime?
@@jeremywinston1 yeah SBN3 raised enough money for a 10 minute Class of ‘09 anime pilot
We'll see about the anime, but chances are, comparing some of the criticisms of this game to the decision the devs made for this game, I actually prefer the dev's decisions over the criticism.
Looks like I'm going to be one of the few that's going to enjoy the anime, because clearly I think some folks didn't fully understand the first two games and how this series can literally go anywhere. There's no expectations because this universe is crazy wild...
Heres hoping
The game was good shut up
Man, this is such a weird misfire. I started playing the first game recently, and now I don’t know if I want to continue after hearing about all the problems with the third. One of the best responses I heard about this game was that it wasted so much potential for all the characters and could’ve explored themes of growing up out of high school and leaving those you knew behind. However, what we got instead was a slavery ending that sounds like it was written by AI, a decent callback ending, a kind of boring nothing ending, and two endings dedicated to feet, which I heard were created because the creator heard of a hilarious story around feet while he was at high school.
Hearing about the creator being spiteful is definitely a lot more clearer through this game. I heard that re-up was kind of made as a response to those who thought Nicole was actually a righteous person, which is understandable if he didn’t want people to misunderstand his characters. However, this just seems to be spiteful towards fans who just ship his characters or make wholesome fan art or comics with these characters. So in response, he created a game that shut down shipping entirely and made it entirely misery porn to I guess kick those fans out?
However, I will admit that the message he gave at the end of the game wasn’t all bad. He seems to be generally grateful for those who supported the games and it was clear that the statement everybody’s talking about was just a joke. I especially liked how he brought up that he wanted to push for more unique type of representation in these games about following types of people that he feels were lacking in mainstream media because of how complicated they are. Kudos for him doing that, even if the third game went too far.
Also, does anyone understand the secret videos talking about God? Additionally, what do you think he can do with the anime he’s planning on making of the games, as I feel like he’s done what he can with the franchise and it’s clear that he just wants to move on.
I think the endings videos here infer that we are God, picking options for Nicole and Jecka that are predetermined in some sort of script, like how people in real life believe God predestines people to hell because he knows the "script" start to finish but is curios to see what we would do if we pick option number 1, 2, etc.
The first two games are good if you wish to play them
But I'd skip out on this one
As for the anime, I figure it'll just go over some stuff that happened I'm the game. Maybe adapt the most popular route or something
@@40KKenseiI thought the Anime was that Animated vid on YT. Is there going to be a full fledged series like Hazbin Hotel?
Cry about it
@@TheMockingjay74 There was a kickstarter made by the creator to create a short pilot, with no exact promises on getting a real-full series. If I remember correctly, the community raised enough for the 11-minute animated pilot goal, and it should be in production rn
THIS IS SO REAL, WATHCING SOME OF THE ENDINGS.. it just felt wrong ? Like, the game didn’t feel like Class of 09 at all..
Almost... like it was a flipside...
Huh... boy I wonder.
@@kyperactive "Flipside" shouldn't mean torture porn, the name of the game and trailer adverise it as more of Class of '09 during their senior year and post graduation
@@Delta21OnYT Marketing is one special parlor trick, wouldnt fully trust that mate...
In other news, again, the flipside part of the game is the evident change in tone... if anything, the "torture porn" is in line with the difference in story as its clear this isnt just what that game (Class of 09) was, but with Jecka necessarily, the moment you see how Jecka's father acts really.
Im of the opinion this triggered too many sensibilites, hence the negative rating, when... sensibilities were always gonna be blown out the water with these games, and it causes people to fully misunderstand the point that it aint sposed to be happy.
Last game wasnt really meant to be either, but it mixed the two tones for endings. This game clearly leans onto the serious and more uncomfortable tone over all else, almost like... thats the point... to not be anywhere near as comfy as last time...
Might be bugging though... surely...
it was more like trash... gosh.
Wrong but okay
The Reddit thread made by the Ex-Friend of the creator of this game puts SO much context onto why this game was so ass.
And also re-contextualizes the previous games as sort of a wish fullfilling fantasy of the creator.
yeah I saw that and the pieces fell into place
Can you give a tldr on what the thread said?
@@friktogurg9242 Basically
Class of 09 is just SBN3's (Creator of the franchise) wish fullfilling fantasy.
He self inserts himself in Nicole as the person he always wanted yo be in Hogh School but also self inserts himself as Jeffrey because it's the person he used to be in High School that he hates.
And that's just the tip of the iceberg.
If it wasn't already noticeable, this guy has a lot of mental issues.
But one of them might be Peter Pan Syndrome, which would justify his obsession with the 2000's period.
Another thing, it is hinted in this thread, ut in others is downright confirmed that he has a weird interest with girls that JUST turned 18 years old.
And people on Twitter have revealed that he owns certain type of content, and not too long ago, pretty much like 2 or 3 years ago.
Which would also explain why this last game is so weird in how it treats Jecka since she canonically turned 18.
And to finish of, SBN3 also has a long history of Transphobia and Autism Bullying, like not even in jokes, straight up cartoonish discrimination.
Which with the whole self inserts in Nicole and Jeffrey, it would explain everything as a form of self-hating projection.
@@unkpo5189I think the whole Nicole and Jeffrey thing is pretty clear just by playing the game. You don't need anything special to tell you that.
It clearly says in the game that the game is based on the creator's experiences.
The whole idea behind the secret movie in the first game was that the mindsets these two characters have are two struggles that are diametrically opposed, but they're both well articulated. It's clear to me that the creator has experience with both these mindsets, and since it was the thing you see after getting all endings, I basically took that as the thesis statement of the game.
I dont hate this game i just wish it had more humour and happy endings. I listened to the whole thing and and its a fine game just njt very class of 09, i didnt really laugh or want to reply a certain a clip because it was so funny. Im fine with the flipside being a bit more sad but it just didnt feel like a class of 09 game. Also, the options were abit scarce, like you could barely choose anything
He stated today in a discord call that he is done with doing visual novels as articles dont write about it and people dont care much about VNs, BUT there will be more Class of 09 games and the animation is now being made under a new studio and he stated progress is moving much quicker
What is class of 09 gonna be other than a VN lmao
Also "the journalists don't cover it" is a pretty lame reason tbh
@@40KKenseilol when the hell do journalists ever talk about games except reviews anyways, such a missed bag.
i really wish there was some good ending, like where jecka goes to college…but no! im really disappointed by this game and how underwhelming yet overwhelming it was at the same time
Yeah, the entire game gave me mixed feelings, the characters could've been handled way better.
yeah ngl i think the creator just hated how people characterized nicole so they wanted to point out how she's such a shitty person, i think og class of 09 and re-up nicole is a better person because we can choose if we want her to be bad or not, and she encounters really shitty people + the one ending where you try to have nicole be nice, she commits suicide
I had some expectance that a “good ending” would be her dad going 6 feet under and her moving with her mom to a more healthy neighborhood.
@@butteredchocolate9999her mom is also a abuser that mentions in the first game, it's better for Jecka to graduate, get to college, and live alone
Yeah no
This version of nicole is just her if she was written by someone who wanted to make it REALLY obvious that she's a bad person while forgetting that she has an established personality and human like qualities. She just does awful stuff because uhhh sociopath i guess
It's like the writer saw shipping art of her and jecka and tought the fanbase didin't actually think nicole was evil or sum. She's bad, we get it💀
No. more like they wanted it to be super obvious that there was going to be a great amazing scene of her putting her feet into jecka's dad's mouth just for the satisfaction for coomers and perverts that are actually into the weird shit they put into the flipside. literally the whole damn route and end is just about feet
I love flanderization (derogatory).
I feel like the biggest mistake of this game is just making every male character a diddy it basically just proves Nicole is right
Oh yeah no this was class of p diddy, the epstein side
My friends and I played and streamed it and we were confused (and saddened) when the few good teachers who never did pedo shit ended up being pedos in this game. Like why?
I remember the re-up had one normal teacher who wasn’t a predator, but because of a misunderstanding (being tricked by his students thinking that pedo was slang for cool teacher) he got arrested anyways. That was, as far as I remember of adult characters that are directly shown to us, the only not pedophile adult man.
Oh, also the photography teacher. He wasn’t a pedo, he was “just” a white nationalist.
Personally, I was more disappointed by the fact we had less options to choose from compared to the last two games, I was also kinda surprised people thought Flip side was "going too far" almost every route from the last games ends with someone dying in some way, so I thought expectations were already set.
As far as the routes we did get they ranged from funny to underwhelming. This is unpopular but the feetmeet route was honestly pretty funny, kinda dragged in some places but I thought it was entertaining. Although i didn't appreciate getting flashbanged by Jecka's feet in the overdose ending.
Working with Kelly was entertaining, getting Jecka's paycheck and it escalating to finding a warehouse of illegal porn was surprising, but getting sold into the Taliban could have been left out.
The hot topic route was ok, Ari gets the short end of the stick again.
Nicole's suicide ending let Jecka's Va shine here, i liked her interactions with the new therapist and how she was stuck between a rock and a hard place.
I still enjoyed it but I probably feel more critical because this was the only game I paid for.
Im in the "there's going to be a Re-up and everything is going to get better" cope
As long as there is delusion there is hope. Stay strong soldier 🫡
@@40KKensei o7
The game is already good
@@lukescrew1981 what foot scene did you like
@@BoogieMoogle Why foot scenes?
The way RUclips but the suicide hotline on this video 💀
i needed it after spending 15 bucks on this game
You could say this game was Toeing the line between being satirical to being genuine
I am in your walls
Holy shit that’s a quick reply,you must be the random ghost who’s been making knocking sounds for years
fr the warehouse/taliban ending left a really weird taste in my mouth. like yeah i get the social criticism/commentary about the government not only just covering up the CP industry but also consuming its contents, but literally the race-y jokes about palestine being there (considering the genocide happening there at the moment) just, idk ughhhh. like ik it's there to showcase jecka's ignorance since she's still an american white woman in the late 00's, but it's a game released in 2024 with some guy writing all these lines, how can you be so out of touch with reality?
Bruh, that's exactly what was done in the first 2 games, and folks praised the dev for reminding everyone what the jokes were like in '08 and '09. Now, the dev is getting flak for the same joke? I was going for the overused route but nah, folks don't find it funny anymore... I guess that's the criticism.
I swear, if Flipside was released with the Base game and Re-Up, nobody would complain about Flipside. But no, bunch of unrealistic expectations were set in anticipation for the release of the final chapter, that clearly should have been dispelled but no one made any real effort dispelling those anticipations.
@@admiralthrawn7754 "if flipside was released with the base game and re-up" but it didn't, you're making an imaginary scenario which js impossible to happen. If it was indeed released along with the others at the same time it would be definitely differently written. The reason Flipside is at the state it is now is exactly because the devs probably didn't read too well about what the fans liked with the first two games.
"What do you mean you don't find anything funny with jecka being constantly abused and tortured" (all sexually, physically and mentally)(the other games had nicole as the protag where whenever anyone was bothering her she was at least fighting back and wasn't a helpless victim)
@@foibsdoesthingsAlmost like... and listen really, its not meant to be the same thing?
Being on the real, all this was done purposefully since its the flipside, so its gonna be different.
The dark nature is that difference, this tells me you missed the point and expected the first two games again.
@@kyperactive well yeah there's good different and then there's borderline-torture-porn bad different. Obviously it's gonna be different but that doesn't mean i should just mindlessly consume it without questioning
@@kyperactive and if it really was "the flipside" it would be scenarios and routes from the other games but told through jecka's prespective (like the crossover with nicole's suicide ending). everything after the "SCHOOL START" choice at the start was really fine, everything about the characters' supposed "adult life" filled with fan service with those CG scenes was unnecessary
The humor is kind of weak except for a few moments and the game has no real HAPPY ENDS
Nicole is a selfish prick but she’s also Jecka only support Nicole going to screw Jecka up or be in someway or another what gets Jecka killed or kidnapped. The humor is not good enough to carry it. this game it’s just mean-spirited
The only good ending is if Jecka cut ties with Nicole and be with Karen. Karen was the good influence on Jecka. Nicole is the bad influence. But unfortunately, that decision was made a long time ago and decided by the first game, so with that decision, Jecka's fate is sealed.
Better hope Nicole turns out to be a star, because when you are friends with a literal self-proclaimed sociopath, you sack all your options of having a good ending and you are praying on that sociopath to get you a good ending, which if you haven't seen, many of Nicole's ending is very bad for Jecka.
And in that regards, I think the game does a wonderful illustration on how bad of an influence Nicole is on even her friends.
@@admiralthrawn7754 honesty we know very little about Karen. she seems like a female Jeffrey but without the hentai addiction or Gun collecion. Jeffrey a weirdo and Karen naive
Wrong
I was skeptical about Jecka being the protagonist of her own Class of 09 game. Nicole works perfectly as the main character of these games because she is a terrible person living in an equally terrible world. She has genuine problems she is dealing with from men in their society, so the audience can sympathize with her and understand how she ended up so jaded and twisted. But also, she is coping with these problems in destructive ways at the expense of everyone around her, so we dont feel too bad when she gets her just desserts. It's fun seeing these situations spiral out of control and watching Nicole face the consequences of her own actions. Nicole is in complete control of her story, and that's why seeing how badly she can fuck it up is hilarious.
Jecka on the other hand is the voice of reason that keeps the story grounded. She can get up to her own nonsense, but she has a moral compass and will never go as far as Nicole. By the standards of their universe, Jecka is a pretty decent person overall. That's why in her story, most of the situations aren't really funny. It's actually pretty depressing watching a girl get abused by everyone in her life and watching her sanity slowly unravel. Jecka is completely reactionary. The world takes a massive dump on her, and she's forced into risky and humiliating circumstances because of it. I can't help but feel sad for her, especially when her tormentors don't get punished usually.
I think the difference can be summed up like this. Nicole WANTS to sell drugs because she WANTS to make cash and get out of community service hours. Jecka HAS to sell feet pics otherwise her abusive, freeloading dad will kick her out. Totally different vibe.
Yeah
You can't use different ingredients and the same recipe
Which is why I don't think sbn3 really put too much effort into it
Didn't change up the formula at all and kinda.just wrote 3 hours of Jecka torture porn
Hat man best character
My goat
Hat man is better than Megan and Emily!1!1!1
Remember how Yandere Sim fans made Lovesick after YanDev became an asshole?
It's time for Class of '21.
Lovesick was made by someone as f*cked up as YanDev though.
Now imagine in a world, where we get a route going more in depth into Karen and Jeckas friendship and there being a route to reconcile, and or a route to kick her to the curb for good
Omg such a missed opportunity! Karen was a bit of a side character and with Jecka as a mc they could have fleshed out both of them.
The game feels more like a DLC than an entry in the trilogy, its just short, and has extremely fucked up scenes, even for 09
The Nicole suicide ending is a good example for a way the game could have more endings, parallel to some of Nicole's
This 20 something minute video was funnier than the 3 hour game tbh
Ty lol
@@40KKensei nppp
With all the shite about sbn3 being revealed now, flipside was definitely meant to piss people off and drive out whoever he hates, leaving only himself and his most loyal fans.
I relate to this so much. This sequel was kinda underwhelming.
No it wasn't
@lukescrew1981 dude Ive seen you comment like on half the other comments with just saying they're wrong without any clarification. Do you have like an actual explanation or anything?
@@-Rika Yeah
@@-Rika yeah i've seen their annoying comments too but he's probably just a troll (I think the flipside was kind of a flop too btw)
@@-Rika i think this guy is attempting to ragebait people by defending the game tbh
Another point to add into the convo is that the Creator's Self Insert Character is Jeffery he admits to being "A Jeffery" in school which may explain why Jeffery takes a far FAR more prominent role in this one compared to the others. Also in the ending text message it was so brutal towards Jeffery with his own mom basically grateful hes dead and she can move on with her life. Again being that Jeffery is THE SELF INSERT of the Creator and thats basically the only "good" ending gives another layer to this whole thing.
Yea, can we pull a Sonic fan game and make it better without the creator
if i had a nickel for every time a game with an edgy mc with dark hair in a ponytail that gained a younger fanbase fell off bc the creator was a fucking weirdo i would have two nickels, which isn't a lot but its weird that it happened twice right (yandere sim)
It is so weird why the first game was pretty good. Perhaps there were other writers then?
@@friktogurg9242 nah he just hates his fanbase lol
The Palestine joke was so unnecessary.
Yup agreed
Jeffrey was 100% a self insert.
Since most of the texts in Co9 are from him, I kinda expected it now
I got the drunk driving ending first and the rest of the time I was playing I kept repeating “Why can’t we go back to drunk driving?”
I have only seen bits and pieces of the other class of '09 games but this is the first time I actually sat down to look at one of the games in full, and... Honestly, I am just glad to know that the series is, in fact, funny and satirical most of the time. My experience with this game with relatively little experience from the other games was comparable to intentionally horrifying media like black souls or metamorphosis (which are both strangely apt comparisons given how many fetish things seem to have been pumped into this game). It just made me feel really, really sad. And, that's not necessarily a bad thing, it just seems like it completely and utterly missed the mark for what people expect and want from class of '09
Absolutely
In 09 and the Re-up shitty situations are very real but still more humorous because Nicole is a much less emotional person and can wrestle some sense of control out of it
And Nicole has good endings in her game not all of them are bad
Flip side has no good endings for Jecka
@@40KKenseiI don't know if this is what Sbn3 was going for. But I have seen the idea tossed around that the reason Jecka doesn't really get a good ending is because good people in life don't get good endings a lot of the time.
Hat Man's trapped in this game
flipside more like the feetside because what the fuck
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the first route i played i was like "THE FLIPSIDE IS SO GOOD IT BETTER THAN ALL OTHER GAMES COMBINEDD"
but as i found the remaining routes i was like ".. this is NOT how nicole would behave.."
"this is NOT how jecka would behave.."
i just.. idk i still wanna love the flipside but i.. idk i will rank the re-up as the BEST co9 game
Real
@@40KKensei i just noticed at 20:52 your audio cuts out- what were you trying to say?
Nobody was out if character
@@lukescrew1981 it’s spelled “of”
@@fly1ngf0x Shut up
making a whole game just because you don't want lesbians in your fanbase is insane
I do wonder if when they said the games are based of real personalities, encounters, and stories is true. And I somewhat like how they executed this game on a more serious note (it is a finale). But the fact Nicole gets better endings then Jecka actually shocks me ngl
@@godzillasstopmotions3661 to an extent yeah like noone who doesnt do dxm would go on and on about it at least lol but i doubt anyone got kidnapped by the taliban
"as someone who enjoys drunk driving"
The game is already pirated xD.
"The stories and characters are all inspired by real events, encounters, and personalities experienced by the writer/lead developer."
So basically he just wrote a fanfic about his high school crush that he never get to fuck and pretend he is the cute boy in this story.
Thanks for sharing your kink, dev.
That's literally not true
@@lukescrew1981 whats wrong w u bruh u've been replying to every single comment you disagree with, please stop worshipping body parts used for standing up straight
@@burningsock4768 I'm not worshiping shit
@@lukescrew1981 then why on earth are you defending this game, you're just saying dumb shit like "wrong!", which is gonna make people jump to conclusions. what is the point?
@@burningsock4768 The point is that the game is good
14:48 that part is defensible on sbn3’s part. jecka is written as racist. he wrote “all white girls are either really gay or really racist” in the flipside, i’m pretty sure he meant it, and on discord he canonically deconfirmed the jecka gay theories
i rlly disliked how they felt SO out of character... plus the sex slave ending while thinking that the palestinians r the ones at fault felt so disgusting especially considering the genocide happening :(
how is that even remotely relevant? they weren't thinking the palestinians are at fault or whatever, you can't generalize an entire population. its just that slavery is still very much prominent in the arab world and jecka is ignorant so she doesnt know if its a palestinian or a lebanese or a pakistani
@pdmisrael6149 thats not the point.. theres a fully grown man behind the scenes he couldve definitely n so EASILY not bring up any names like that yet he still chose too .. especially adding one that is of a delicate topic.. its just plain disrespectful.
@@fangtasticvampy how is it disrespectful? i dont get it. he didn't blame the entire palestinian population, just because the series of conflicts thats been going on for almost a century suddenly flared up in american news headlines again doesnt mean he cant say palestinians. this is especially silly considering how class of 09 has consistently been edgy
@@pdmisrael6149 right. also arent the taliban afghan? lol
My interpretation of the listing multiple country names was that it was making fun of how normal, everyday Americans were not particularly knowledgeable about geography and the situation in the Middle East, despite the US military's involvement over there, during the late 2000's. I think the joke could've carried without listing Palestine as one of the countries named, though, and that probably would've been wiser considering the current situation.
I thought it was alright. I liked it. The characters do feel inconsistent tho
it's no secret the creator doesn't like that the game blew up and it has somewhat of a fandom now but purposely "ruining" this game makes no sense. Has the creator ever seen a fandom before? People are just gonna pretend this game isn't canon and tell people they recommend the series to not to play it. Shitting out a half-assed game with third the amount of jokes as usual- a handful which are actually halfway funny, that acts as a 3 hour slide show presentation where you get to make a choice like 5 times- one of which doesn't even matter, was a waste of everyone envolved's time. The voice acting killed it and it feels like it was for nothing. I don't even think it's that bad characters were ooc, that could have been a fun way of exploring the fact that this is Jecka's perspective but that's not why those choices were made, those choices were made because the creator wanted people to hate nichole more.
i love dark humor, but if im not laughing, then the "dark humor" isn't doing what it set out to do and it's not funny. i genuinely can only think of maybe 3 short moments total where i was actually engaged in the story and the humor. the rest of the time i was either grossed out by the fetish content, feel sad cuz of the abuse jecka faced, but mostly i was just bored. dark humor is HUMOR, and i think the edginess should be secondary to making me laugh. if im not laughing, the dark humor is bad
Yeah no
I just really liked High Jecka 10/10 game
Fair enough
25:10 i actually am not sure if its a miscommunication. idk this feels more like a deliberate attempt to alienate the younger fanbase that was not meant to be appealed to. idk the lack of actual humour and the constant dependency on shock value made me feel like they were just trying to see how much they can get away with "cus they're 18 now"
This feels like it
Part of the humor of Class of '09 was that Nicole was wrong. Yes she was right to an extent, that many men ARE in fact predators, but not ALL men are predators or evil in some type of way. She was wrong in the Megan Route, she was a trash girlfriend to Ari, many points in the games are about how mostly EVERYONE sucks.
Having a plotline in this spinoff where quite literally every man is cartoonishly evil and they have an evil layer they found from the evil counselor who had an evil riddle and bla bla bla... that was just cartoonishly stupid.
Another thing, everything was oversexualized. EVERYTHING. You have the foot route, Jecka kissing Ari for literally no reason, Ari's aśs being out over her dead body, (that scene is supposed to look graphic, and unattractive, in order to properly illicit a dark tone, using Jecka's nonchalant narration) every illustration being tïtty central, the murdering Jeffery route where Nicole is practically moàning every sentence, the FYE sèx dungeon route, the süicide route where Jecka's tïts are out, and instead of actually feeling thematic like in the first game, it feels creepy, like the developer just wanted to jack off. Yeah this game was creepy. A few funny jokes here and there, definitely. But what the fuçk.
Also barely felt like a complete game. It seemed rushed and there were not nearly as many route choices as the first two games
Basically if YandereDev could actually code but he made a visual novel 💀
@@RocksterStudios-tt3ehYandere Dev would hate Co09 because the teenage girls aren’t acting „pure“
I don't think nicole is out of character, I just think this is how jecka views here since we're playing in her pov. I also think it's less funny BECAUSE we are jecka, because jecka isn't a sociopath. she doesn't find this stuff funny. I feel extremely bad for her. Nicole is so horrible for her :(
There's a different between dark humor and just being a fucking weirdo the if and the re-up was dark humor shock value but the flip side was just like we lost the plot
This is such a good video. Its not bad because it's dark. it's bad because its poorly done in multiple ways. Jecka is Nicole's friend but she is NOT the same as Nicole so it's a lot harder watching certain situations happen with no sort of clarity or punchline
I’ll never understand how someone could make something popular and then intentionally sabotage themselves for… Did he even have a reason or is it just a pure hate boner for his own game’s fanbase?
He probably was upset he pulled a fanbase that isn't exactly like hin
Just to weigh in on the whole “mischaracterization” discourse, I feel it’s not a matter of mischaracterization but more so of perspective. The last 2 games were from Nicole’s perspective, so of course the sociopathic and inhumane stuff she does is going to seem rational and lighthearted. Now that the game of from Jeckas perspective we can see how Nicole ACTUALLY is.. a sociopath. I mean, the jecka suicide ending is essentially the same as the Arri and Karen endings from the re-up: Nicole goes way too far in pursuit of revenge over something extremely petty. The only difference is Jecka and Nicole have history, but to someone like Nicole that doesn’t even matter. Nicole never actually cared about Jecka, she was just easy to use as an accessory to her schemes, and someone to kill time with. Lastly you can clearly see a downward spiral of Nicole, even just from the first game and the re-up. Most of the first game Nicole despite taking things far every now and then was almost always a victim or in the right, while in the re up most of Nicole’s decision making came down to what would be the most amusing to her. Not trying to say this is a masterpiece by any means, I mean it’s definitely my least favorite in the series and was a huge letdown. I just think the biggest problems are the games lack of options and that the game definitely isn’t as funny as the rest, but I think the characters actually make sense in this game imo
Honestly, that was my thought about exactly Nicole. She's genuinely a monster, but we don't get to see that in the games told from her perspective BECAUSE SHE'S TELLING THE STORY IN THE FIRST 2 GAMES. Those stories are biased towards her because she doesn't see what she does as wrong, while in Flip Side we're seeing Nicole without the filters because this one is being "told" by someone who doesn't have to share a head with her every second of every day. There's a lot of valid criticism of the game, but "Nicole is OOC" feels weak because a shift in perspective means that we're not going to see everyone the same way we did before.
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i dont really think it’s a matter of perspective bc like we know Nicole is an asshole and petty but in the homeless route in the re up when Jecka rejects Nicole’s request to live with her family, nicole really didn’t go commit revenge on jecka, and still chose to hang out with her while she was being exploited.
I understand what you mean but she says word for word "Ew, I'm not gonna fuck him" in the re-up so it's kind of unlikely for Nicole to stick her toes in a 50 year old man's mouth
I genuinely don’t feel this is what the writers chose to do. They just made her plain unlikeable and a hypocrite. Nicole is shown to have this attachment albeit unhealthy but nonetheless still an attachment to jecka and DOES make up for things when she screws up.. even when jecka ditches her in some of the endings of the previous games she doesn’t do any heinous shit like the ending w her feet in jeckas dads mouth. She yells at jecka constantly in this game about being a sex worker when she literally did the same thing in the last game.. not wanting to share is not “wronging” anyone but you could also say Nicole being the psycho she is could take it like that but like I said jecka literally has done worse things to Nicole in the first two games and Nicole didn’t really do anything like this - and it’s so out of no where too. Nicole has a weird attachment to Jecka since she’s really her only friend and in the games she’s really the only person she tolerates so seeing this massive switch from that has nothing to do with perspective.. I personally believe the writer just didn’t like the ships so they made her switch up like that considering none of the other character interactions with Nicole was any different
Don’t get me wrong Nicole is a terrible person but it was always different with jecka but we both have our opinions.
When i watched the playthrough of this game yesterday i was sleepy and i genuinely thought i was dreaming because there was no way it was actually that bad, but nope, it's really that bad
Except it's not
@@lukescrew1981 it is lol
Jecka with black hair is extremely cursed
The Feet stuff seems out of place considering this wasnt common place back then and Kink was still niche and taboo. I realized that btw
Yeah for sure some sort of self insert going in
@@40KKensei How do you know that
I think a time appropriate version of that is her becoming a camgirl, or a MySpace escort like Nicole was in the homeless route. Same narrative purpose but actually fitting with the era this takes place in.
ALSO is it weird that in that route where Nicole sells her body we never actually see her clients (besides the last one) or see what she does, but in the route where Jecka sells her body we see her clients and these encounters in detail, or is it just me who thinks that's weird?
I keep saying this but Nicole WAS OOC and people will be like "Well she's a sociopath" but here's the thing she isn't always so cold and heartless. people point out she does help jecka, but you know what ELSE she almost did? Apologize to Ari. Sure she doesn't actually do it but if you pay attention to the scene she genuinely seems like she feels a little bit bad and is about to apologize until Ari apologizes first for not respecting Nicoles boundaries which THEN nicole takes advantage of it. She's still a terrible person but never to the extent shown in Flipside, ESPECIALLY not to Jecka.
Nicole was never evil. There i said it, she never showed that she was heartless like ij flipside
the thing is, the creator himself was always some lame incel who (let's be real) probably was just getting off to it. what probably happened is that he wanted the fanbase to be 4chan types who only liked it for the edginess, but when the fanbase instead turned out to be mostly gay teenagers, he got so upset that he intentionally made a garbage game to alienate them. there's no care or passion here, just mindless edgy BS, spite, and gooner content.
Funny part is thay 4chan hates the creator and is very divisive on the game anyway lol
Watching the game, it all just felt so weird. The moment I started watching the video, I felt like everything was way too different. The characters just felt so random and not even close to the last few games. Maybe Nicole was kind of the same but also she just felt different too, though I can’t put my finger on what was different about her. Idk, everything just felt off and not really similar to the past two games. Just relied on fetish content and shock value :^
Nicole felt evil for evils sake, unlike in the first game where she had reasons to be an ass
Everybody was the same
@@40KKenseiif you're talking about the most infamous ending in this game with Nicole. It is no surprise to me that somebody like Nicole would be bitchie about her friend not getting her in on money.
There's an entire route in the second game where it's just her being petty over some student-teacher.
Felt like nicole would not do jecka dirty like that in flipside
@@RaNgErs_Rep Her getting back at Jecka over petty shit doesn't bother me, it's the fact that it's a vehicle for a foot fetish joke that sorta threw me off. Plus while she's definitely got a precedent for manipulating men using sexual favors she seems to have an active distaste for actually acting it out. If she did something like in the Re-Up with Hunter, that'd probably be more in character, but honestly it just feels weird
PROGMAN FICS MENTIONED❤️🔥❤️🔥❤️🔥 some of the best interpretations of the characters and the author does such a good job expanding on the reasons the characters are like this without justifying everything they do
Hes the G.O.A.T
honestly to me the taliban sex trafficked route/ending was way worse than the foot fetish routes, Nicole brings a lot to the games and shes by far the most present in the feet ones, her character wasn't handled that well in the whore ending but seeing her cruelty from jecka's perspective was something i liked in both of the feet endings even if it was much better executed in the "good" ending
I should say, I don't think the Taliban ending is better than the foot ones they're all bad
Objectively the Taliban one is worse yes
Im somewhat happy, that the flipside is that controversial in terms of the narrative. Its experimental, it tries to portray what frenzy Nicole looks like. The flipside of pov, the one from the victim of such "crazy scenarios". Maybe its not fully faithful to the previous installments, but I'll happily take that over "Oh its fan favorite masco- I mean Nicole being in an adult crazy enviroment now... With a premise being only slightly changed from re-up or original 09. What could possibly go wrong?" franchize installment
Like get this
09 was about characterizing the boys side
Re up was about characterizing the girls side
Who you want to characterize now and not make your effort look like a copy of previous games? You characterize the victim of the abuse. The one, who is so close to the enemy, that she can see terrible actions from the flip-side. Nicole's "bestie"
Oh my god someone with an actual brain