thank you for pointing out the Synths weren't "alive" and didn't rebel, SOOOOO many people didn't actually watch the show don't know they were just robots that were hacked by the Tal Shiar
commandant oh was a shit character. even before her betrayal she was obviously not on the federation/starfleets side. obviously evil as fuck. same thing with her Lieutenant. characters like oh dont belong in starfleet
@@stankyyboi More interesting detail is that Synth Ships use the exact same design as S31 drones. Yes. It was probably reuse of assets, but it actually make sense in the lore.
@@stankyyboi Worse than Roombas because someone decided to put everything in Starfleet on an unsecured WiFi network. Robot butlers don't need that point of failure.
@DissociatedWomenIncorporated Well, that problem has been solved. Nearly all of Starfleets Admiralty and its officer class would have been killed by Borg infected ensigns on Frontier Day. Over 25 years old human equivalent, you were shot.
@@mattwho81Well the US Navy is experimenting with the idea of a fleet of armed drone ships being controlled by a manned ship acting as a central control hub, However the drone ships does have room for a small human crew.
They're neat-looking ships, like using parts from F-117 stealth fighters to make a Xen manta ray from Half-Life. Multiple phaser lances, one on a gimballed belly turret, and a torpedo launcher is a powerful loadout as well, even if most of the phasers are in fixed mounts. ...Though the belly turret makes me wonder what Starfleet had in mind. Demonstrably, it's great for ground attack - but the only place these things were ever deployed was above one of Starfleet's most heavily-defended bases. The idea of "ground targets" shouldn't really be a thing in that environment. Were they meant to be assigned to starships as close air support for away teams after the system was proven successful in its test deployment above Mars?
Without human crew (and/or with artificialgravity tbh.) you can easily flip your orientation so the turret is facing whatever direction you need it to. And these things are maneuverable enough to flip pretty much instantly. Plus it may be intended for bombing runs along much larger enemy ships, where "down" would effectively be "towards the enemy" anyway.
Romulan drone ship used telepathic control. It is because Romulans are paranoid about AI. Primarily because they faced Borg before Federation, though Federation faced Borg when they already could hack it.
Mt STO main character flies one of these. Lore aside it is a wildly fun ship to fly due to its speed, mobility and the increased illusion of both. The design is one of the only good thins to come out of season 1 Picard.
Gotta love how, for opposite reasons, every Star Trek series aside from Voyager has so many plotlines that can be summed up as "The hero ship is the only one in range of whatever's happening."
The Star Trek universe needs a system defense force. A combination of impulse ships and satellites. Besides, defense usually means time while you’re waiting for backup. Each system defense force would not be Starfleet, but rather formed in partnership with the locals and the federation.
That's kind of how it is. The Andorian Imperial Guard still exists, the Vulcan Expeditionary Force still exists. But Earth's Starfleet became the Federation Starfleet, so it's a bit blurred at home.
They do have that. But we need to remember that space around Earth is so full of Starships, that nothing basically can reach planet on the first place. Few cases when it did happen were actually extremely rare and specific. Also automatic defense can be a threat on its own.
These might have an independent design lineage from the S31 ships. Many of the ship classes created for the Dominion War already had pretty triangular and flat designs compared to "classic" ships. Combine that with the angular look of the fighters and you're most of the way there. The rest can easily be someone's personal preference - similar to how the Delta Flyer almost had purely decorative fins (if Seven hadn't shut down Paris on those).
We are developing a new ship designed as a warp dock, enabling multiple vessels to dock and maintain their performance without requiring individual warp systems. I have experience working at Dastrum.
Okay, now I'm wondering WTF the original story was with the Romulans attacking Mars, FOR SOME REASON, in the middle of an evacuation effort to save them... like, what the hells and how could that square be circled
Would the Star empire that enslaves most of the planets in its area just give up their control willing? I mean all parts of it where half the time their stabbing each other in the back as much as plotting to damage the major empires. Would make sense that the tal or just the a part of the main fleet would do something to jab back or twist the knife out of spite or pride
They could've had a big bad Romulan who so hated and feared the idea of their people becoming subservient to the Federation that they were willing to sabotage the evacuation efforts. A militant nationalist type. Could've been a more interesting villain than, "we hate robots cuz we had a bad dream or whatever." But yeah, I'd love to know if there was a better idea that got shot down.
@@hcnif55 Even presuming that, why would you do that BEFORE the evacuation was completed? Not like the populations of Romulus & Remus were being being moved into the Federation or under Federation control... Use the strength of your enemy against them (or for yourself). You don't swing on the guy who's rescuing you from drowning...
there seems to be a whole other story with the Romulans that just never made it to screen, there's concept art by John Eaves for PIC S1 showing a giant Romulan "City Ship" so there was clearly more going on
There is some early concept art from Laurent Ben-mimoun that has the attack on Mars with the ships looking much more Romulan. They kind of resemble the Hammerhead fighters from Space: Above and Beyond. There's other other concept art in there that doesn't seem to resemble anything that we ended up getting including some kind of repelling on a rope from a very high distance (like orbital distance). Interesting stuff!
Thank you for this video I really like the details you unearthed about them, for me it always just where weird looking ships that attacked Mars or my ship in STO.
i genuinely wonder if the Deimos wasnt a modern version of the MDP ships....i will also say i love this thing in STO as a pilot ship (so -really- powerful RCS system that lets it's flip around) and the Lance weapon is great.
Finally someone decided to explain what the fuck are those. Hey, I have a question: will it be reasonable to place nacelles on starship in a similar way this ship's "tail" is placed?
@@rosesareredbutzerglingssti9290 Are you trying to start a bar fight like a drunk Klingon? This is a Trek channel. We like many of the Starfleet ship designs.
@@danielnugent6545 hy waste time in bar fight when a shot of a phaser set to kill can resolve any dispute? And I still hate all ships made by the Federation. The only exceptions to this rule are: 1) the Defiant; 2) the Delta flyer and 3) the runabouts.
@@rosesareredbutzerglingssti9290 the runabouts are cool. But why set your phaser to kill? It’s far funnier for your adversary to remain alive in the knowledge that you stunned them.
Honestly the Idea of "Companion Drone Ships" is a rather no brainer. Starfleet as the military of a post scarcity society has a far grandeur industrial capacity compared to their ability to field crews. So say, Take the Texas Class Ship, minus the Rampant AI. And absolutely mass produce the crap out of it the use them as Support Vessels for the crewed Starships. Maybe even design a Starship with a Concept similar to the Punic or Infinity Class Super Carriers from Halo and have Larger Starships with higher Warp Factors carry them into their destination.
I dunno man Deimos served to represent the feelings of dread and terror that befell those before a battle. Seems On track for a Fleet of ships created for the sole purpose of battle Against aggressors.
StarFleet really needs to divest itself of some of its functions. Having a separate Science/civil fleet and the a dedicated Military fleet. Giving the ships, between fleets, totally different appearances would be one thing that could be done.
I agree, but it's well entrenched now. Gene's vision was to have something like NASA with only highly educated, commissioned officers exploring the galaxy. But it's a TV show and they needed action. The pitch that worked was "Wagon Train in space" as most of us know. So they need shoot outs and fist fights. We still don't know why there would be enlisted crew when everyone can just go to the officers school in this utopia. We don't know why MACOs aren't still a thing. Nobody explains why a research or hospital vessel has the capability to decimate a planet. But then again, transporters don't make sense. You've just got to roll with it. It's Trek.
Not certain I agree. Starfleet as an exploration agency is the one that goes out into the unknown and the one with the highest probability of encountering hostile life forms and civilizations. Those ships need to be able to defend themselves often against other civilizations' military forces, and often with little or no backup. So having it be a combined service keeps things efficient, but also means that if there's no conflict, the ship can do exploration, or logistics, or diplomacy and shift between them seamlessly. The writers typically don't organize it properly though. During the DS9 era there were around 30,000 active ships in Starfleet but those were spread across the 8000 light years wide Federation and deep space exploration assignments. It's weird that there were only 40 starships in the vicinity of Earth. There should be three times that. As for why there are enlisted, Star Trek Resurgence had enlisted as main characters and they indicated that they didn't want to wait 4 years to get out to the final frontier. Starfleet Academy is also treated as an institution for exceptional minds with very high entrance standards and psychological requirements. So presumably enlisted personnel are people who have the desire to serve but either didn't want to go to the academy or tried for the academy and couldn't make the cut, so are taking an alternate route. Starfleet still has OCS so they get to prove themselves in a different way.
Fusion reactor. Remember, it wasn't until "The Motion Picture" that Starfleet tied the phasers to the Warp Drive. Until then, they had fusion reactors to build up the buffer before firing. They could've done the same thing here, just with better energy buffers after a century of advancement.
You don't need an antimatter reactor to power phasers. These are cheap fighters full of cheap synths. They could just pop in a few nuclear 9-volt batteries. Then they fly back to base after taking some shots. It would be in line with the design philosophy that seemed to be going on here.
@@danielnugent6545 You don't need one, but it would increase the power available by an order of magnitude. You could just use the M/ARA from a runabout or a reduced size version of the Defiant's core. It wouldn't be a fuel issue either as the idea is it's a short range interceptor so all that power would go to the weapons.
@@3RayfireI hear you, but if the design principle is to make something cheap without a humanoid crew, short range, and basically disposable? The Federation is an alllllmost post-scarcity society. But warp cores still don't grow on trees. I don't agree with the design, but it does sort of make sense in universe.
🖖😎👍Very cool and very nicely well done and informatively explained and executed in every detail way shape and format provided on the Deimos Synth Class Vessel's and on all of its functions and systems and duties as defensive automated planetary patrol ship, A job very wonderfully well done indeed Sir!👌.
The trouble now is that Starfleet have been caught out so often with highly networked/autonomous vessels (Control/Section 31, M5, etc), you'd think they'd realise such systems are not a good idea. But no, they go on to this class of vessel. Then after the disaster with this class, network the entire fleet... ... Have they never watched Battlestar Galactica? 🤣
Nevermind BSG. What about the Borg? Besides, Starfleet is all about manned missions. They could've sent out warp- capable probes all day every day. Granted, many of those probes might eventually return as god-like hostile AI, but it is a time saver.
It would be useful if those twin booms WERE warp nacelles. Even if they're never really intended to leave the system, or even stray too far from mars, opponents that could reposition themselves at warp would make it useful, if not necessary for defenders to do the same. Besides, if they are meant to be used as interceptors, it would make sense. They wouldn't need much warp speed, just enough pop in and out. Low warp is pretty easy to achieve and power, so there wouldn't necessarily be any need for much of a warp core. Albeit, powering shields and some serious phasers might make one necessary for that sort of power anyway. The question of 'drone or not to drone' for these sorts of defense platforms does tend to keep coming up.
I'd still prefer if it had a more starfleet colour scheme but the explaination of it being a dedicated transatmospheric STL planetary/system defence ship makes me dislike the overall design less.
To me, it looks absurd that starfleet used a fleet of fighter-like deimos class drones and some small phaser satellites as a standalone main defence force for Mars. I mean fighters are tools of power projection. Alone they are insufficient for defence. A proper main defense force of such a "stationary" location ought to constitute from heavy orbital artillery satellites. One wants there artillery pieces that evaporate battlecruisers from half a sol system away. Such artillery emplacements ought to be densely covered with point-defense and more numerous but lighter artillery. A very good example for such artillery are the G.O.D satellites from B5, that are designed to one-shot Sharlin class cruisers. Now having, an interceptor-like small attack ship force could greatly complement the orbital artillery, since they could deny the effective deployment of long range weapons that the satellite system would have trouble countering. Nevertheless, the base Deimos class is useless for interceptor role, since they are not warp capable at all.
You'd think a ship that size would have way more than just one measly launcher. Cells with self-propelled weapons in them or tube mounts akin to modern pylons would allow for more ordnance and a rapid deployment thereof, given that the ships are easily taken down.
I still think the attack here by the Romulans was so short sighted, I get their motivations but it was not a good time to do it when they needed the UFP to help evacuate Romulus, they literally killed their own people with this attack as a consequence.
The amount of trouble Starfleet has with automation... you would think they were on purpose shooting themselves in the foot. Or are they just Borg envious?
Honestly I petty surprised no one in star trek galaxy uses warp capable planet killer weapon. All you need is a warp core and a one-time ship. Then pack your anti-planet stuff and program your ship ram on it.
I find it very strange that other people are aware of elements of the “Star Trek: Picard” fever-dream I once had that existed only in my head and definitely never actually happened in real life.
Not a fan of the design. The moment you saw this ships you knew they would be used for evil purposes. A more Starfleet like design would have been a better fit and would not have given away that immediately that they would be used for evil. I mean, sleek, dark grey ships with sharp angles that fire red lasers? Cliche much, right?
@@DissociatedWomenIncorporated for a side that normally uses large discs and tubes in a light gray/white colour layout, Yeah dark shady flat sharp pointy things would stand out as not normal
@@hcnif55 this isn’t the first diamond shaped Starfleet fighter. Those gracefully curved hulls are harder to construct, it doesn’t make sense to make that degree of effort for some automated drone ships.
Ummm... Why does it have windows? "Small cramped tunnels and rooms for servicing," I think you said, so they don't get to walk down hallways, but they get rooms with windows? I'm so confused. Rofl
I did not like this class of vessel. It was a very Non federation design for working as home defense. Despite being an UAV, a Discovery section 31 style of ship would've been more appropriate. Heck, a kit bash from DS9 would be less alien.
The amount of stupidity shown in the entire Picard series is mind-boggling. First we have these things: massively powerful war vessels operated by a slave race of synths that Star Fleet just completely trusted their primary ship building base and indeed Sol system to. Anyone who watched that godawful episode knows how THAT turned out. Then we have the ridiculous networking of the entire fleet in season three, which was what, two decades after this nonsense proved exactly WHY such a thing was a really, really stupid idea. Add to that just how non-Star Fleet these things look, more like the horrid DSC era Section 31 ships for no other reason than the showrunners lacking any creativity or sense of nuance or subtlety in their designs. When these flying triangles of doom began beaming down hot death onto Mars I imagine the victims weren't really all that surprised, like the first time you inevitably cut yourself on that knife that was advertised as being wicked sharp. Yeah you're upset but you're also not exactly shocked because it was going to happen eventually right?
Yeah I still don’t like the shows, Discovery did Historical revisionism doing nothing to convey that its between ENT and TOS and rather opting for flashy effects. Picard ran with the flashy effects and took a not always perfect utopian society into a dystopia…
thank you for pointing out the Synths weren't "alive" and didn't rebel, SOOOOO many people didn't actually watch the show don't know they were just robots that were hacked by the Tal Shiar
So more like a basic non sentient holo program loaded into a physical shell.
commandant oh was a shit character. even before her betrayal she was obviously not on the federation/starfleets side. obviously evil as fuck. same thing with her Lieutenant. characters like oh dont belong in starfleet
@@thanqualthehighseer they were basically roombas with arms
@@stankyyboi More interesting detail is that Synth Ships use the exact same design as S31 drones.
Yes. It was probably reuse of assets, but it actually make sense in the lore.
@@stankyyboi Worse than Roombas because someone decided to put everything in Starfleet on an unsecured WiFi network. Robot butlers don't need that point of failure.
I forgot these ships. And the synths. There are so many loose threads in Picard that they could open a fabric store called, "Make It Sew."
And _Picard_
And then Starfleet decided it would be a good idea to install automatic control over the entire fleet....
bad writing
@@sardonicspartan9343 yeah as if half of the Starfleet admirals haven’t _always_ been a mixture of arrogant, crazy, and incompetent 😂
Never underestimate the ability of a military to keep implementing a bad idea.
@DissociatedWomenIncorporated Well, that problem has been solved. Nearly all of Starfleets Admiralty and its officer class would have been killed by Borg infected ensigns on Frontier Day.
Over 25 years old human equivalent, you were shot.
@@mattwho81Well the US Navy is experimenting with the idea of a fleet of armed drone ships being controlled by a manned ship acting as a central control hub, However the drone ships does have room for a small human crew.
man it would be cool if we could go to the shipyard in star trek online outside missions
They're neat-looking ships, like using parts from F-117 stealth fighters to make a Xen manta ray from Half-Life. Multiple phaser lances, one on a gimballed belly turret, and a torpedo launcher is a powerful loadout as well, even if most of the phasers are in fixed mounts.
...Though the belly turret makes me wonder what Starfleet had in mind. Demonstrably, it's great for ground attack - but the only place these things were ever deployed was above one of Starfleet's most heavily-defended bases. The idea of "ground targets" shouldn't really be a thing in that environment. Were they meant to be assigned to starships as close air support for away teams after the system was proven successful in its test deployment above Mars?
Without human crew (and/or with artificialgravity tbh.) you can easily flip your orientation so the turret is facing whatever direction you need it to. And these things are maneuverable enough to flip pretty much instantly. Plus it may be intended for bombing runs along much larger enemy ships, where "down" would effectively be "towards the enemy" anyway.
They're automated. Up and down means little. The "belly" would probably be oriented away from the planet they were protecting, towards likely targets.
Basically starfleets answer to the romulan drone ship
Speaking of the romulan drone ship...
Romulan drone ship used telepathic control. It is because Romulans are paranoid about AI.
Primarily because they faced Borg before Federation, though Federation faced Borg when they already could hack it.
Mt STO main character flies one of these. Lore aside it is a wildly fun ship to fly due to its speed, mobility and the increased illusion of both. The design is one of the only good thins to come out of season 1 Picard.
Gotta love how, for opposite reasons, every Star Trek series aside from Voyager has so many plotlines that can be summed up as "The hero ship is the only one in range of whatever's happening."
Sweet. I love these videos Rick ty ty my friend.
These Star wars ships are cool
The Star Trek universe needs a system defense force. A combination of impulse ships and satellites. Besides, defense usually means time while you’re waiting for backup. Each system defense force would not be Starfleet, but rather formed in partnership with the locals and the federation.
That's kind of how it is. The Andorian Imperial Guard still exists, the Vulcan Expeditionary Force still exists. But Earth's Starfleet became the Federation Starfleet, so it's a bit blurred at home.
They do have that. But we need to remember that space around Earth is so full of Starships, that nothing basically can reach planet on the first place. Few cases when it did happen were actually extremely rare and specific.
Also automatic defense can be a threat on its own.
These might have an independent design lineage from the S31 ships. Many of the ship classes created for the Dominion War already had pretty triangular and flat designs compared to "classic" ships. Combine that with the angular look of the fighters and you're most of the way there. The rest can easily be someone's personal preference - similar to how the Delta Flyer almost had purely decorative fins (if Seven hadn't shut down Paris on those).
We are developing a new ship designed as a warp dock, enabling multiple vessels to dock and maintain their performance without requiring individual warp systems. I have experience working at Dastrum.
I have to say its insane to see our universe fictionalized in this system.
Looks like sort The Expanse Stealth Protogen Ships
More like S31 Drone Ships from Discovery... because they are that. In fact they have same names.
I do love the design! All those little windows, still seems like a massive ship in any case
Okay, now I'm wondering WTF the original story was with the Romulans attacking Mars, FOR SOME REASON, in the middle of an evacuation effort to save them... like, what the hells and how could that square be circled
Would the Star empire that enslaves most of the planets in its area just give up their control willing? I mean all parts of it where half the time their stabbing each other in the back as much as plotting to damage the major empires. Would make sense that the tal or just the a part of the main fleet would do something to jab back or twist the knife out of spite or pride
They could've had a big bad Romulan who so hated and feared the idea of their people becoming subservient to the Federation that they were willing to sabotage the evacuation efforts. A militant nationalist type. Could've been a more interesting villain than, "we hate robots cuz we had a bad dream or whatever." But yeah, I'd love to know if there was a better idea that got shot down.
@@hcnif55 Even presuming that, why would you do that BEFORE the evacuation was completed? Not like the populations of Romulus & Remus were being being moved into the Federation or under Federation control... Use the strength of your enemy against them (or for yourself). You don't swing on the guy who's rescuing you from drowning...
FACTIONAL INFIGHTING I WOULD PRESUME
there seems to be a whole other story with the Romulans that just never made it to screen, there's concept art by John Eaves for PIC S1 showing a giant Romulan "City Ship" so there was clearly more going on
There is some early concept art from Laurent Ben-mimoun that has the attack on Mars with the ships looking much more Romulan. They kind of resemble the Hammerhead fighters from Space: Above and Beyond. There's other other concept art in there that doesn't seem to resemble anything that we ended up getting including some kind of repelling on a rope from a very high distance (like orbital distance). Interesting stuff!
Thank you for this video I really like the details you unearthed about them, for me it always just where weird looking ships that attacked Mars or my ship in STO.
i genuinely wonder if the Deimos wasnt a modern version of the MDP ships....i will also say i love this thing in STO as a pilot ship (so -really- powerful RCS system that lets it's flip around) and the Lance weapon is great.
Looks like a design out of Elite Dangerous, especially reminiscent of the Krait Phantom. I weirdly kinda like it.
Finally someone decided to explain what the fuck are those. Hey, I have a question: will it be reasonable to place nacelles on starship in a similar way this ship's "tail" is placed?
If you want it to have warp engines, go for it. It looks like another "we just played Mass Effect" design, so why not? Maybe you'll improve it.
@@danielnugent6545 At least the ships made that way won't look so ugly like almost all vessels built by the Federation.
@@rosesareredbutzerglingssti9290 Are you trying to start a bar fight like a drunk Klingon? This is a Trek channel. We like many of the Starfleet ship designs.
@@danielnugent6545 hy waste time in bar fight when a shot of a phaser set to kill can resolve any dispute?
And I still hate all ships made by the Federation. The only exceptions to this rule are: 1) the Defiant; 2) the Delta flyer and 3) the runabouts.
@@rosesareredbutzerglingssti9290 the runabouts are cool. But why set your phaser to kill? It’s far funnier for your adversary to remain alive in the knowledge that you stunned them.
Love your channel, Rick! Your content is always excellent! Keep up the awesome work, sir!
Honestly the Idea of "Companion Drone Ships" is a rather no brainer.
Starfleet as the military of a post scarcity society has a far grandeur industrial capacity compared to their ability to field crews.
So say, Take the Texas Class Ship, minus the Rampant AI.
And absolutely mass produce the crap out of it the use them as Support Vessels for the crewed Starships.
Maybe even design a Starship with a Concept similar to the Punic or Infinity Class Super Carriers from Halo and have Larger Starships with higher Warp Factors carry them into their destination.
Thanks for sharing 👍
I dunno man Deimos served to represent the feelings of dread and terror that befell those before a battle. Seems On track for a Fleet of ships created for the sole purpose of battle Against aggressors.
StarFleet really needs to divest itself of some of its functions. Having a separate Science/civil fleet and the a dedicated Military fleet. Giving the ships, between fleets, totally different appearances would be one thing that could be done.
I agree, but it's well entrenched now. Gene's vision was to have something like NASA with only highly educated, commissioned officers exploring the galaxy. But it's a TV show and they needed action.
The pitch that worked was "Wagon Train in space" as most of us know. So they need shoot outs and fist fights.
We still don't know why there would be enlisted crew when everyone can just go to the officers school in this utopia. We don't know why MACOs aren't still a thing. Nobody explains why a research or hospital vessel has the capability to decimate a planet. But then again, transporters don't make sense. You've just got to roll with it. It's Trek.
Not certain I agree. Starfleet as an exploration agency is the one that goes out into the unknown and the one with the highest probability of encountering hostile life forms and civilizations. Those ships need to be able to defend themselves often against other civilizations' military forces, and often with little or no backup. So having it be a combined service keeps things efficient, but also means that if there's no conflict, the ship can do exploration, or logistics, or diplomacy and shift between them seamlessly. The writers typically don't organize it properly though. During the DS9 era there were around 30,000 active ships in Starfleet but those were spread across the 8000 light years wide Federation and deep space exploration assignments. It's weird that there were only 40 starships in the vicinity of Earth. There should be three times that.
As for why there are enlisted, Star Trek Resurgence had enlisted as main characters and they indicated that they didn't want to wait 4 years to get out to the final frontier. Starfleet Academy is also treated as an institution for exceptional minds with very high entrance standards and psychological requirements. So presumably enlisted personnel are people who have the desire to serve but either didn't want to go to the academy or tried for the academy and couldn't make the cut, so are taking an alternate route. Starfleet still has OCS so they get to prove themselves in a different way.
Wonder how it got the power for 5 phaser lances with no warp core.
Fusion reactor. Remember, it wasn't until "The Motion Picture" that Starfleet tied the phasers to the Warp Drive. Until then, they had fusion reactors to build up the buffer before firing. They could've done the same thing here, just with better energy buffers after a century of advancement.
You don't need an antimatter reactor to power phasers. These are cheap fighters full of cheap synths. They could just pop in a few nuclear 9-volt batteries. Then they fly back to base after taking some shots. It would be in line with the design philosophy that seemed to be going on here.
@@danielnugent6545 You don't need one, but it would increase the power available by an order of magnitude. You could just use the M/ARA from a runabout or a reduced size version of the Defiant's core. It wouldn't be a fuel issue either as the idea is it's a short range interceptor so all that power would go to the weapons.
@@3RayfireI hear you, but if the design principle is to make something cheap without a humanoid crew, short range, and basically disposable? The Federation is an alllllmost post-scarcity society. But warp cores still don't grow on trees. I don't agree with the design, but it does sort of make sense in universe.
🖖😎👍Very cool and very nicely well done and informatively explained and executed in every detail way shape and format provided on the Deimos Synth Class Vessel's and on all of its functions and systems and duties as defensive automated planetary patrol ship, A job very wonderfully well done indeed Sir!👌.
Interesting and cool alternate reality stuff.
Deimos is example of spaceship which can be reality in the future because it is excellent in it's job
looks like a manta ray
I got this ship for the console. But in general it is the only escort I use on my main character. such a fun ship.
The trouble now is that Starfleet have been caught out so often with highly networked/autonomous vessels (Control/Section 31, M5, etc), you'd think they'd realise such systems are not a good idea.
But no, they go on to this class of vessel. Then after the disaster with this class, network the entire fleet...
... Have they never watched Battlestar Galactica? 🤣
GUYS, I have a great idea; let's link the whole fleet together! We'll show it off on Frontier Day, it'll be great!
Nevermind BSG. What about the Borg? Besides, Starfleet is all about manned missions. They could've sent out warp- capable probes all day every day. Granted, many of those probes might eventually return as god-like hostile AI, but it is a time saver.
It would be useful if those twin booms WERE warp nacelles. Even if they're never really intended to leave the system, or even stray too far from mars, opponents that could reposition themselves at warp would make it useful, if not necessary for defenders to do the same. Besides, if they are meant to be used as interceptors, it would make sense.
They wouldn't need much warp speed, just enough pop in and out. Low warp is pretty easy to achieve and power, so there wouldn't necessarily be any need for much of a warp core. Albeit, powering shields and some serious phasers might make one necessary for that sort of power anyway.
The question of 'drone or not to drone' for these sorts of defense platforms does tend to keep coming up.
I thought the twin tail booms were warp nacelle
Me too.
One of the best ships in STO, mostly for its phaser lance, but it’s still a great ship.
Right off the bat, a stealth bomber-like ship.
I'd still prefer if it had a more starfleet colour scheme but the explaination of it being a dedicated transatmospheric STL planetary/system defence ship makes me dislike the overall design less.
Considering Star Fleets history with automated ships, they should have reconsidered.
@certifiably ingame please do a video like this on the 23rd century hoover class starship.
The fact that Synths could be hacked and programmed to attack its creators is a good reason not to have them around.
The US Navy is experimenting with the idea of a group of unmanned armed drone ships controlled by a manned ship acting as the central hub.
This is the first I'm realizing those were Starfleet ships. I had always assumed they were Romulan.
That's because the plot of Picard was incoherent
literally nothing in the show ever hinted at them being Romulan, you just weren't paying attention
Cause none of the people know anything about star trek.
Wonder if some of the computers in Daystrom Institute robot prison caused the Synth attack?
These are some cool looking ships.
Thank you for using the word "sapient" - which is more accurate then sentient.
An innovative response to hostile superpowers.
To me, it looks absurd that starfleet used a fleet of fighter-like deimos class drones and some small phaser satellites as a standalone main defence force for Mars. I mean fighters are tools of power projection. Alone they are insufficient for defence.
A proper main defense force of such a "stationary" location ought to constitute from heavy orbital artillery satellites. One wants there artillery pieces that evaporate battlecruisers from half a sol system away. Such artillery emplacements ought to be densely covered with point-defense and more numerous but lighter artillery. A very good example for such artillery are the G.O.D satellites from B5, that are designed to one-shot Sharlin class cruisers.
Now having, an interceptor-like small attack ship force could greatly complement the orbital artillery, since they could deny the effective deployment of long range weapons that the satellite system would have trouble countering.
Nevertheless, the base Deimos class is useless for interceptor role, since they are not warp capable at all.
You'd think they would have some kind of low warp ability. Just in case they had to rush to another part of a solar system.
You'd think a ship that size would have way more than just one measly launcher. Cells with self-propelled weapons in them or tube mounts akin to modern pylons would allow for more ordnance and a rapid deployment thereof, given that the ships are easily taken down.
I still think the attack here by the Romulans was so short sighted, I get their motivations but it was not a good time to do it when they needed the UFP to help evacuate Romulus, they literally killed their own people with this attack as a consequence.
It looks like the logo in the end of every Poirot episode
haven't seen picard, but these seem to be designed as a homage to the 1953 War of the Worlds movie
This looks like the TFO Synth wave
The amount of trouble Starfleet has with automation... you would think they were on purpose shooting themselves in the foot. Or are they just Borg envious?
Honestly I petty surprised no one in star trek galaxy uses warp capable planet killer weapon. All you need is a warp core and a one-time ship. Then pack your anti-planet stuff and program your ship ram on it.
100m of ship for 2 people is insane
When the biggest threat to the Federation, the BORG, is the reason for creation, then automated ships is insanely stupid.
How big are these ships?
I find it very strange that other people are aware of elements of the “Star Trek: Picard” fever-dream I once had that existed only in my head and definitely never actually happened in real life.
Where are the surface-to-space phaser sites, the massive anti-star ship missile/torpedo batteries?
Not a fan of the design. The moment you saw this ships you knew they would be used for evil purposes.
A more Starfleet like design would have been a better fit and would not have given away that immediately that they would be used for evil. I mean, sleek, dark grey ships with sharp angles that fire red lasers? Cliche much, right?
Geometric shapes look evil to you?
@@DissociatedWomenIncorporated for a side that normally uses large discs and tubes in a light gray/white colour layout, Yeah dark shady flat sharp pointy things would stand out as not normal
Hey, don't judge by the cover. Who would've guessed The Scimitar from Nemesis wasn't a hospital ship???
@@hcnif55 this isn’t the first diamond shaped Starfleet fighter. Those gracefully curved hulls are harder to construct, it doesn’t make sense to make that degree of effort for some automated drone ships.
The federation should have built a “Liberty Prime” class designed specifically to take this ship down
A version of the attack satellites the cardassians used during the dominion war would have been better.
5:16 1.3 speed of light? You sure you got that right? :D
_"...they could achieve at least .3 the speed of light..."_
*lalalala I CAN'T HEAR YOU"
I'll play this to support you, but on volume 1 while I'm not in the room.
I wonder in universe if if somebody had repurpose the idea of the Texas class to make these ships.
Ummm...
Why does it have windows? "Small cramped tunnels and rooms for servicing," I think you said, so they don't get to walk down hallways, but they get rooms with windows? I'm so confused. Rofl
Almost thought it was Section 31.
Why are people making me remember Picard
So much this...
Nobody's making you remember anything. You clicked on it right.
Oh, come one. Some of the ships were fine, a we also had the very rare creative looking ships. But the rest of puckard was steaming dog sh!t.
Think these memberberries have gone rancid 🤢
Pro-tip: if you’re not interested in Star Trek: Picard, don’t click on videos about Star Trek: Picard. Problem solved! 🥳
Reminds me of a batray fish
So why does it have so many windows? Or are those something else lol.
They look like the American Stealth Fighters.
Why do they need windows if they robots
So you can look in and see the sneaky synths are doing their work
@@hcnif55 true I wonder how much janeway did personal inspections of the synth slaves
0.3C ? holy crap. our fastest rockets and even voyager 1 and 2 have not even made 0.01C.... we've got a long way to go lol
I'm looking forward to videos on the 32nd century ships. They're a very cool design
So even after what happened with the Aledo in Lower Decks, Starfleet decided to proceed with the technology anyways?
I did not like this class of vessel. It was a very Non federation design for working as home defense. Despite being an UAV, a Discovery section 31 style of ship would've been more appropriate. Heck, a kit bash from DS9 would be less alien.
Why does it have windows?
they're not intended to be windows, they're just scifi light "dots" could be sensor nodes or something
Dam those ships look ugly.
You have a good looking, beautiful even, desing and instead go:
"Nah let's make an ugly looking ship instead."
The amount of stupidity shown in the entire Picard series is mind-boggling. First we have these things: massively powerful war vessels operated by a slave race of synths that Star Fleet just completely trusted their primary ship building base and indeed Sol system to. Anyone who watched that godawful episode knows how THAT turned out. Then we have the ridiculous networking of the entire fleet in season three, which was what, two decades after this nonsense proved exactly WHY such a thing was a really, really stupid idea.
Add to that just how non-Star Fleet these things look, more like the horrid DSC era Section 31 ships for no other reason than the showrunners lacking any creativity or sense of nuance or subtlety in their designs. When these flying triangles of doom began beaming down hot death onto Mars I imagine the victims weren't really all that surprised, like the first time you inevitably cut yourself on that knife that was advertised as being wicked sharp. Yeah you're upset but you're also not exactly shocked because it was going to happen eventually right?
Picard has done nothing good for the ST Galaxy plot wise.
Like the show it came from, I hate it.
Dumbest narrative choice ever. Season one has done so much damage to Star Trek.
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Awful. Belongs in Eve Online, not Star Trek.
FIRST!!!!!!!
its a garbage design and evidently noone on the production side cared
Yeah I still don’t like the shows, Discovery did Historical revisionism doing nothing to convey that its between ENT and TOS and rather opting for flashy effects. Picard ran with the flashy effects and took a not always perfect utopian society into a dystopia…