Timmy is like Miles Davis... everyone who played with him sounded their best playing with him. Life changing musician. I have seen other bands this good because I'm old and I'm a music nut. But bands this good are very unusual... very VERY rare. Beefheart, Mahavishnu, Zappa's big band, Charles Mingus, Chicago Art Ensemble, Anthony Braxton, Terry Riley, Steve Reich, all transcended the usual stuff. None of this was because they practiced a lot, its composition. These people are composers. Virtuosos? I've seen hundreds, its not rare.
@@extremelynormalperson the man said virtuosos are not rare. No virtuosos on stage here, just unique composition with a true artistic proposal, which is rare
trying to learn this song, then thought...this is a studio song, the band can't even play it, can they...so then...shit...they play if faster than the record....
4.33 collision avoided! 😄 Jims bass is incredible in that break. The whole thing moves me in a big way. Magical, powerful.. this music will go down in history.
If ever there was a good response to the sad passing of Kevin Greening the other day then this is it, RIP Kevin. Yes it is him at the beginning of this excerpt of Cardiacs greatness. Cheers mate, you will be missed.
I thank someone for Cardiacs every day, the bloke who didn't tell me about them all those years ago deserves a massive twatting! Nov 07, bring it on :D
They were something to behold live, even when it was a four-piece. I last saw them before Bob Leith took over on drums from Dominick Luckman, who was also an amazing drummer with a huge sound.
both frank and timmy are inspiring,frank coaxed his musicians to play even better than they did before they did in his band,there contribution to modern music is unrivalled,would have liked to see zappa live,would like to see the cardiacs live again,both as good as each other,shame frank is lost to us,and timmy is ill,get well soon,
@tonokay1: Yeah theres definately a zappa legacy in there (Either directly or indirectly. Tim didnt like admitting the prog legacy in there, but Sarah tells a different story, although its more Gentle Giant legacy, who incidently where one of Zappas favorite bands.) , but keep in mind Tims been doing that sort of thing since the 70s). Tim , like zappa, deserves recognition as a genius in his own right, and ultimately whilst both did some pretty far out ultracomplex and deep composing, they both came at things from quite different angles (Zappa was more a consumate composer, Tim was a rock and roll band writer in the most traditional sense). edit:was/is, better not jinx tim whilst he's stilll in recovery. (By the way, Zappa was a big cardiacs fan apparently. Shame the cardiacs never got a chance to support Zappa. I suspect zappafans would hage "got it")
He's not gone yet, although "At the time of his cardiac arrest Tim Smith effectively died." - THE ALPHABET BUSINESS CONCERN He's recovering, though...inch by inch.
Frank Zappa once stated that he added humour to his work in order to draw people in, so he could expose them to the serious music accompanying it. His goal was not to cater to the people who already 'get it', it was to convert those who don't (at least from what I know). And of course he made a lot more money. Job well done.
No doubt, He was a genius.. His interviews and social commentary are some of the best floating around the net, I almost like listening to the man speak his mind more than I enjoy his music. hmmm, some of my favorite Zappa was stuff like Joe's Garage.. could be because he had a real vocalist belting the lines for most of that record. His guitar playing and composition are mind blowing, but sometimes his humor comes off to me as a bit corny.
@skaterat121 I know he's a genius, his music just doesn't appeal to me the way Cardiacs do... Cardiacs weren't just another "Avant-garde" psychedelic band... they're weird in a way that Zappa never could be, also more melodic in a lot of ways. I've listened to plenty of Zappa's work.... Fuck Avant-Garde... heh heh There's a reason Cardiacs are sort of ignored and why stuff like Zappa is 'mainstream' psychedelia... because Zappa is obvious.. sorry, he's not that great to me.
They are on a level musically, and Zappa had the money to play with different bands, orchestras and instrumentation, but Tim Smith has far better lyrics. Zappa made some good -but now very dated- satire, but in the long run, there is not a single Zappa lyric that is better than any of Tim's texts. Zappa would never have toured with a four-piece band and made this kind of impact.
@loafpork Another example is we're only in it for the money. Released during the height of the psychedelic movement, a complete parody. Most people don't understand the work of Frank Zappa, and underrate it. Once you've listened to the complete albums a few times... he becomes in a league of his own. I have yet to listen to a full Cardiac album as of yet, but It's like saying that any pop band is better than The Beatles. Frank Zappa (and Captain Beefheart), invented avant-garde.
nokori3byo I think there was lineup instabilities around this time. Not sure. Its a backing track, and yeah your right the live act does suffer for it.
William D Drake left the band amicably in 1991 but they never got a live keyboardist to replace him. Tim and Jon Poole did all the keyboard work in the studio but just used backing tracks live to avoid the trouble of having to replace Will.
Oh I certainly understand it. Last band I was in, we got so sick of "imploding drummers" (to quote Spinal Tap) we ended up putting drums on a backing track. Turns out theres also an implosion curse on drum machines lol
I hate rating people against eachother or saying who's better than who because all musicians just add the the beauty of music. In my opinion Frank Zappa is the best composer in the 10th century and in the top 200 guitarists. I understand most of the people on the Cardiacs video page won't agree. I'm fine with that. The only album I like from the Cardiacs is A Little Man and a House and the Whole World Window, which to be honest, the first listen was better than most of Zappa's...
i much prefer this live instruments heavy rendition, i feel like it let's the ideas come out easier and make the music more connected to reality, as much as they wouldve like it not to be.
@skaterat121 I also understand his work is parody.. he makes fun of everything. This is the thing about Zappa... He's extremely CLEVER, but clever doesn't necessarily make me want to listen to his music, or move me. There's something kind of cornball "Ray Stevens" about his humor too,, I can't quite place it, but it doesn't make me laugh.
Sounds like the Lead Singer of the Pixies (Frank Black), covering a Dead Kennedys song with Radiohead as backing band..... LOVING IT !!!!. Hello's the the MySpace Lesbain chatroom girls, Chauncey, Raven, Franno, and Ruca. xx.
@skaterat121 It is,,, I think... Frank Zappa is a bit overrated in my view... He's a genius no doubt,, very smart man, but I almost enjoy his interviews and ideas about things more than his music. First of all, his voice bugs me, second, his humor is kind of corny.. yeah, it's kind of surreal and all, but there's still something kind of lame about it, he's not that funny. Joe's Garage was a great record, but a lot of his stuff is just wanky noodling.. sorry,,, Frank Zappa is overrated.
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this is pure fucking madness in the best way possible. just discovered cardiacs a month ago and they are the best thing i've ever heard.
Welcome to The Pond :-)
@@newsles2best thing on land and in the sea.
Welcome :-) I know! I absolutely grin from ear to ear at most of their songs.
Timmy is like Miles Davis... everyone who played with him sounded their best playing with him. Life changing musician. I have seen other bands this good because I'm old and I'm a music nut. But bands this good are very unusual... very VERY rare. Beefheart, Mahavishnu, Zappa's big band, Charles Mingus, Chicago Art Ensemble, Anthony Braxton, Terry Riley, Steve Reich, all transcended the usual stuff. None of this was because they practiced a lot, its composition. These people are composers. Virtuosos? I've seen hundreds, its not rare.
Wait, is it rare or not?? 😅
@@extremelynormalperson the man said virtuosos are not rare. No virtuosos on stage here, just unique composition with a true artistic proposal, which is rare
@@WoodenPhish1 I get it, he fixed his original comment. Thanks though!
Thanks for feeding my mind with new artists :)
Material…Magma….Fred Frith…Pere Ubu….Stockhausen…..The Residents….Miles Davis…VSOP…..this could take hours……XTC.
As a friend of mine said recently, more ideas in one song than most artists have in their whole career!
John Peel said the same about a Peter Hammilll single...and ook where that got him.....
I'll never get over how awesome this song is.
1st Cardiacs I ever heard!
trying to learn this song, then thought...this is a studio song, the band can't even play it, can they...so then...shit...they play if faster than the record....
who needs woodpecker cider, when listening to that din
God Jim rules so much I love his stage presence it is so... present
Simply astonishing! All the love to Tim and Cardiacs from Spain.......
4.33 collision avoided! 😄 Jims bass is incredible in that break. The whole thing moves me in a big way. Magical, powerful.. this music will go down in history.
MISS YOU Tim 💓
that guitar solo gives me vertigo.
The most incredible underated band ever !!!!
Tim Smith looks like if the Dean of your university decided to make Rock n Roll
the best description of big suit tim
If ever there was a good response to the sad passing of Kevin Greening the other day then this is it, RIP Kevin. Yes it is him at the beginning of this excerpt of Cardiacs greatness. Cheers mate, you will be missed.
I thank someone for Cardiacs every day, the bloke who didn't tell me about them all those years ago deserves a massive twatting! Nov 07, bring it on :D
Sorry for not telling you sooner about Cardiacs. It took me only 12 years to like your comment, though 😀
Cardiacs!
Jon Poole is a helluva musician.
Still aesthetically and philosophically pleasing....I still love them after many many years. Good on yer
How would you define this being philosophically pleasing? :)
This is what McFly was actually trying to play at that old time disco.
It doesn't get any better than this really, does it?
no
Can you imagine having been there? Lightning in a bottle released.
They were something to behold live, even when it was a four-piece. I last saw them before Bob Leith took over on drums from Dominick Luckman, who was also an amazing drummer with a huge sound.
both frank and timmy are inspiring,frank coaxed his musicians to play even better than they did before they did in his band,there contribution to modern music is unrivalled,would have liked to see zappa live,would like to see the cardiacs live again,both as good as each other,shame frank is lost to us,and timmy is ill,get well soon,
that's what it's all about... right there.
Fucking incredible.
@tonokay1: Yeah theres definately a zappa legacy in there (Either directly or indirectly. Tim didnt like admitting the prog legacy in there, but Sarah tells a different story, although its more Gentle Giant legacy, who incidently where one of Zappas favorite bands.) , but keep in mind Tims been doing that sort of thing since the 70s). Tim , like zappa, deserves recognition as a genius in his own right, and ultimately whilst both did some pretty far out ultracomplex and deep composing, they both came at things from quite different angles (Zappa was more a consumate composer, Tim was a rock and roll band writer in the most traditional sense). edit:was/is, better not jinx tim whilst he's stilll in recovery. (By the way, Zappa was a big cardiacs fan apparently. Shame the cardiacs never got a chance to support Zappa. I suspect zappafans would hage "got it")
where did you read that FZ loved Cardiacs? I can't believe he even knew of their existence! is that true?
Oh Tim :(
Listen to XTC wake up, the intro is identical. Love XTC and cardiacs.
Cardiacs' "On Land and In The Sea" album sounds like its title's taken from part of XTC's "Cross Wires" lyric.
He's not gone yet, although
"At the time of his cardiac arrest Tim Smith effectively died."
- THE ALPHABET BUSINESS CONCERN
He's recovering, though...inch by inch.
he's gone :(
Why can I only like this once!!?
Incredible....As always.
SUPER!!!
Eeeeeeee👍🤘👏👏👏💓
im with you on this one as a fanatical zappa fan this band are up there with the master have you heard jon pools zappa tribute album its fab
Thanks for the introduction!!
Well...
Y'don't really get bands like that anymore on the telly!
it was a distinct rarity to have Cardiacs on the telly when this was aired
Sheer Bloody Genius..
Great to see Tim, Jim et al still going strong - was there any more from this set!!!
SOMEONE PLEASE POST MARESNEST!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
inspirational
It kind of pisses me off that I'll never make something this cool.
Aye
I also love how, during the solo, the lead guitar player looks like he's trying to escape from jail.
genius - right there
0:58 Tim breaks a string. 1:47 Jon breaks a string.
This makes me feel very, very shiny. I want to have their children, but I'm a bloke dammit.
One of the few songs that reliably makes me want to smash my face into the nearest clear glass window. 5 stars.
Would love to hear Vic R's pub-singer version of this.
I love Vic Reeves, and he was into art-rock, which makes it all the more disappointing that his album was such a throwaway.
Frank Zappa once stated that he added humour to his work in order to draw people in, so he could expose them to the serious music accompanying it. His goal was not to cater to the people who already 'get it', it was to convert those who don't (at least from what I know). And of course he made a lot more money. Job well done.
I honestly didn't think he catered to anyone... aaafnraa!
Aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaahhhhhh!!!!
No doubt, He was a genius.. His interviews and social commentary are some of the best floating around the net, I almost like listening to the man speak his mind more than I enjoy his music. hmmm, some of my favorite Zappa was stuff like Joe's Garage.. could be because he had a real vocalist belting the lines for most of that record. His guitar playing and composition are mind blowing, but sometimes his humor comes off to me as a bit corny.
😍😍😍😍😍😍😍😍
It's available at isohunt (google it)
@skaterat121 I know he's a genius, his music just doesn't appeal to me the way Cardiacs do... Cardiacs weren't just another "Avant-garde" psychedelic band... they're weird in a way that Zappa never could be, also more melodic in a lot of ways. I've listened to plenty of Zappa's work.... Fuck Avant-Garde... heh heh
There's a reason Cardiacs are sort of ignored and why stuff like Zappa is 'mainstream' psychedelia... because Zappa is obvious.. sorry, he's not that great to me.
Of Frank Zappa didn't turn shit in the 80s and 90s he wouldn't of made this. My loyalty demands. Thank u Tim 😍
This is better than Zappa.
I can't use Zappa in the same sentence as Cardiacs. Hang on...🤔😊
They are on a level musically, and Zappa had the money to play with different bands, orchestras and instrumentation, but Tim Smith has far better lyrics. Zappa made some good -but now very dated- satire, but in the long run, there is not a single Zappa lyric that is better than any of Tim's texts. Zappa would never have toured with a four-piece band and made this kind of impact.
Zappa at his best (73-74) was at his unbelievable genius best. This is still fantastic though.
@loafpork Another example is we're only in it for the money. Released during the height of the psychedelic movement, a complete parody. Most people don't understand the work of Frank Zappa, and underrate it. Once you've listened to the complete albums a few times... he becomes in a league of his own. I have yet to listen to a full Cardiac album as of yet, but It's like saying that any pop band is better than The Beatles. Frank Zappa (and Captain Beefheart), invented avant-garde.
nokori3byo I think there was lineup instabilities around this time. Not sure. Its a backing track, and yeah your right the live act does suffer for it.
William D Drake left the band amicably in 1991 but they never got a live keyboardist to replace him. Tim and Jon Poole did all the keyboard work in the studio but just used backing tracks live to avoid the trouble of having to replace Will.
Oh I certainly understand it. Last band I was in, we got so sick of "imploding drummers" (to quote Spinal Tap) we ended up putting drums on a backing track. Turns out theres also an implosion curse on drum machines lol
It's weird that this sounds so much like Popscene by Blur, who acknowledged Cardiacs as a big influence, yet this came out later
Tim was releasing similar music since 1977 and this song is from their 1996 album :)
@LucidityOfReality No, sounds like all of those bands covering this song.
@loafpork Ya right.
Excellent. Very very unlucky with the string breaking (both guitars).
Their official website, the store's closed atm
I hate rating people against eachother or saying who's better than who because all musicians just add the the beauty of music. In my opinion Frank Zappa is the best composer in the 10th century and in the top 200 guitarists. I understand most of the people on the Cardiacs video page won't agree. I'm fine with that. The only album I like from the Cardiacs is A Little Man and a House and the Whole World Window, which to be honest, the first listen was better than most of Zappa's...
@magicalbilly aaaaaaaaaaaand epic burn
i much prefer this live instruments heavy rendition, i feel like it let's the ideas come out easier and make the music more connected to reality, as much as they wouldve like it not to be.
is the singer a new dave thomas?
So true, but we have the likes of Knifeworld, Crayola Lectern, Mark Cawthra, William D Drake, the list goes on and through them Cardiacs live on...
Fiery *
@lanimibus
Probably not.
@Frobe1357 any one who'd say anything like that completly misses the point of everything zappa did.
good job
Who was playing the keyboards? Where was this person?
Bill ina a box played the keyboards. He lives in a box, which is why you can't see him.
Backing track,hence the headphones on Tiny Bob.
@loafpork maybe even better than bungle :P
Compare and contrast this to Jon Poole playing bass for Dr. Hook just now.
@skaterat121 I also understand his work is parody.. he makes fun of everything. This is the thing about Zappa... He's extremely CLEVER, but clever doesn't necessarily make me want to listen to his music, or move me. There's something kind of cornball "Ray Stevens" about his humor too,, I can't quite place it, but it doesn't make me laugh.
Great song, but one thing kinda bugs me. I hear an organ...but I don't see one.
They used to a keyboard player, it will be triggered by the band or is on a backing track. I saw them many times playing this way.
Sounds like the Lead Singer of the Pixies (Frank Black), covering a Dead Kennedys song with Radiohead as backing band..... LOVING IT !!!!. Hello's the the MySpace Lesbain chatroom girls, Chauncey, Raven, Franno, and Ruca. xx.
That's depressing.
No it doesn't.
@skaterat121 It is,,, I think... Frank Zappa is a bit overrated in my view... He's a genius no doubt,, very smart man, but I almost enjoy his interviews and ideas about things more than his music. First of all, his voice bugs me, second, his humor is kind of corny.. yeah, it's kind of surreal and all, but there's still something kind of lame about it, he's not that funny. Joe's Garage was a great record, but a lot of his stuff is just wanky noodling.. sorry,,, Frank Zappa is overrated.
Cardiacs are AWESOME! BUT, with out Zappa, they wouldn't be as great as they are! Zappa did it 25 yrs before!
@loafpork Cardiacs is much more interesting than Zappa... so is Mr. Bungle...... I also fucking hate Rush.
Tuneless
BEAT SONG EVER. Tim breaks a string so has trouble with his guitar solo's at the end.