I have a couple disagreements, but I want to start by saying that I can see a use for the charging handle over the bolt catch if your rifle is dirty like you mentioned. That being said: 1. The fine motor skills argument boils down to a skill issue. The answer should always be to train/dry fire until you are proficient with your firearm. If it were a genuine problem, we'd hear about people having issues using the mag release on their firearms, but no one ever wants to bring that up when discussing the fine motor skills argument. 2. You can use the bolt catch while keeping the rifle stock seated in your shoulder. In fact, when transitioning from firing to reloading using the bolt catch, the stock never has to leave your shoulder. With that said, I still agree with your final thoughts. Both get the job done. Ideally, you become proficient with both to give yourself the most options.
Your reception of the fine motor skills argument is flying over your head, it is not a skill issue. The argument is based on situations where an IED strikes takes out your point man, the soldier 5 meters behind you takes a machine gun burst to the torso and your body goes into the black and you cannot physically utilize your fine muscle skills.
@@user-lx8xw6pn4v In the scenario you brought up, would I all of a sudden forget how to use the trigger, safety, or mag release? If the answer is no, why would this not also be the case for the bolt release? The reality of the situation is that it's not as black and white as losing all fine motor skills when under duress. You lose the skills you are untrained on.
@@royd-l You are 100% incorrect and have no real life experience in these situations. The majority of people here are speaking from their experience of shooting at a range. Tell me I am incorrect.
I agree. I don’t have a Bad lever but I train both of the other 2 methods. So many variables. A guy could insert mag, use bolt release and not pick up a round. Requiring a tap rack. So always good to train options. Been following your channel a while now. Good Canadian content.
Massive props for putting out this video in response to the questions/comments on your other video. You did a much better job of explaining yourself in this video and I can't really find too much fault in your reasoning. I'm still a use the bolt catch kind of guy (especially for civilian applications), but I can see situations where the charging handle makes sense using your reasoning.
Cause in every gun fight you and your rifle will be clean, with no mud, sand or dirty. If it increase the chances that a round will be loaded as expected, I am in. Thanks for bringing this up. Best,
Tier 1 Operator - Here is some great information at no cost. Information learned over years of war fighting through various Tier 1 organizations. Internet - Nah, you're wrong.
I'm old enough to have been trained on the venerable FNC1A1 rifle and left the 031 before the transition to the C-7 / 8 rifles. With the FN, the bolt "hold open device" was just forward of the mag release button and because of the design of the folding charging handle, we almost exclusively used the hold open device to release the bolt and carrier and with any type of glove on, the use of the charging handle could be difficult. I purchased an AR platform years after and was impressed by the superior ergonomics of the rifle compared to the FN. Because of my previous training, I tend to go straight to the bolt release to chamber a round. This is in no way a criticism of your recommendations just an observation.
Using a baffle suppressor, and how the gun gets super gunked up, I could see where the gun would be way dirtier under a normal cycle of use. I agree a person should know them all and the brain will pick which one to use when it matters (if the subconscious proficiency has been built)
I think the merits of knowing and training variations is vital for the ability to operate your systems, I could also see how this could be beneficial depending on how you are reloading, in shoulder pocket, broken down in workspace, non traditional shooting positions etc along with the integration with stoppage manipulation
Trained with Frank and Josh at Millbrook years ago. He had same explanation however the issued single point sling on the endplate sling attachment and the issued shitty ambi charging handle on the C8 would get caught on the sling and gear which would create a stoppage. I didnt have that problem as I still used the original CH and had a Vickers 2 point sling. But those with issued equipment had a few challenges.
I say do what works well for you... However, I personally never had an issue just smacking the side of the rifle to release the bolt. Thats why the bolt release is shaped like a paddle. No "fine motor control" needed and rifle stays in the shoulder. Ive also personally never had my rifle get so dirty that the bolt release didn't run. But i was also just a data dink in the corps and I don't shoot 5000rds a week.
BAD Lever is the answer. For the cost of a few Big Mac meals, and the fact that it makes your stoppage remedies that much quicker and more consistent, this shouldn't even be an argument.
In the beginning, Grandfather Mikhail created Avtomat Kalashnikova; And the bolt catch was without form, and void; for there was no bolt catch; And the Spirit of Mikhail moved upon the face of the milled steel. And Mikhail said Let there be rifle. And there was rifle. And Mikhail saw the rifle, that it was good: and Mikhail divided the milled steel from the darkness. And there was much rejoicing. And then Uncle Stoner rolled in; And he said unto every beast of the earth, and to every fowl of the air, and to every thing that creepeth upon the earth, wherein there is life, I have given thee the bolt catch: and it was so. And rejoicing there was no more.
@direct_action_combat I guess another argument for cycling the charging handle on a reload, aka "bolt locked open stoppage" is that its a common movement also used for stoppage clearance on "bolt closed stoppage" (tap/tug/cycle charging handle), and for that matter the last part on "bolt partial stoppage" (lock bolt open, eject mag, clear obstrucion, insert mag with tap and tug, cycle charging handle). Its a common way to conclude all three stoppages (or interuptions of fire). Keep up the content brother, I'm enjoying your videos.
This is assuming that your rifle will always be in you shoulder for a reload. There are situations where your stock will not be in your shoulder ie, moving to cover, moving around people, moving around obstacles, in confined spaces etc. In which case the muzzle is already WAY off the target. Not to mention simply re-gripping the fore-stock can impart movement on the muzzle.
Using the charging handle instead of the catch also means if for some reason your bolt didn't lock, or was released while you were reloading you don't have to worry about hitting your release and having nothing happen. In that case you would have to use the charging handle anyway. If you go straight for the changing handle no matter what chaotic BS is going on with your gun it's going to be ready.
Hey, Randy. I often wonder about the legal hoops you’ve had to jump through to use your weapon platforms, even just in the training settings as seen in a lot of your videos. I wanted to get out and do some training on my on my own time/dime and was willing to use the AR-180 variants permitted in Canada just to throw some lead down range but with the recent prohibition on pretty much all platforms it’s not looking like that’ll happen. What level of licensing do you have? And was it carried over from your time at the Unit?
B.a.d. Lever or similar, period. If it doesn't go into battery and you lose the gunfight, then so be it. The other side always has a say and so does murphy, fate, luck or whatever you want to call it.
I really like your content. I’ve been following you now for about a year. I’m a tactical team instructor specializing in firearms training. However I am gonna have to do the keyboard thing and call you out again. You stated the reason to use the charging handle is because it locks it into your shoulder and allows you to get back up on target faster.. But in this very video, you put the gun into your shoulder before you actuated the charging handle. Using the bolt catch release allows the bolt to go into battery as the carbine is being brought back up into the shoulder. In both cases, using the bolt catch release or the charging handle, you had broken your grip on the rifle and it was no longer in your shoulder. So I don’t really understand how doing the Emergency magazine change, then putting into your shoulder and then working the charging handle is faster than using the bolt catch release and as it’s being brought back into the shoulder. I do teach both methods, allow the trainees to try both methods. And then let them choose for themselves which to do. I’m just having trouble understanding your explanation. It just doesn’t seem to make any sense. I also spoke to our armour about this today. I showed him your video and we had a good discussion. In his professional opinion, using the charging handle would do almost nothing to increase the power of the buffer spring.
Agreed on your last point. I'm sure it differs depending on the exact buffer tube/spring setup, but actuating the charging handle with an h2 buffer and carbine length buffer tube/spring gives me about 1/4" more travel which seems negligible
I'm going to add a little consideration to his videos that he didn't speak about. But firstly, I understand the point you are trying to make based on the example in this video. To be fair, it was not the best representation of it. I have always done this, and if you are reloading while moving, this does help align your firearm toward the threat and reset it in your shoulder. If there were statistics available, they would show that either using the bolt release or the charging handle leads to a 99.9% effective return to battery, provided the proper technique is used for the bolt release. Let's talk about that. Slapping the bolt release is mostly a gross motor skill. Under stress, the hand might cup, and I've seen several shooters either miss because of cup hands or miss the bolt release entirely, which leads to longer reloads and less control. I recommend using your thumb when my trainees decide to use the bolt release and I show them what works for me when I do use it 4:18 . Old "military doctrine" says you lose fine motor skills under stress, which is not entirely true. You lose the ones you are not trained on. If you train yourself to use your thumb with a proper sequence, it will have no negative impact on your shooting/reset whatsoever. AND using the bolt release will be as effective as the charging handle. (I've seen some shooters cause malfunctions when learning how to use the charging handle, mostly due to not releasing the charging handle) Now for the other consideration. As a left-handed shooter, I never had the opportunity to get an ambidextrous bolt release, which led to me using only the charging handle. When I decided to become a "fully ambidextrous" shooter, meaning not only practicing some injured arm drills but also using my weapon system on both sides flawlessly, I found it was much easier for me to reproduce my left-handed muscle memory on the right side because I was using the charging handle, I never got fully confortable using the bolt release. From what I observed with trainees, when we practiced wrong-side shooting, the ones using the bolt release were more confused by their reloading sequence. Some of them just flipped their gun to the right side so they could use the bolt release. To summarize my point, I think both methods are as effective as one another and in 99.9% of situations whatever technique you choose will work but learning to use both will just make you a more flexible shooter. Cheers!
I’d definitely agree although I find running a charging handle with the bolt locked back to be pretty annoying. When you pull it back your hand shoots back (I’ve slipped many times and smacked my face) because there’s no spring tension and when it releases it usually catches my hand/fingers and rips my hand forward on the way into battery. It’s jarring and I find it personally adds absolutely nothing to speed or proficiency in running an ar15. I’ll continue to use the bolt release until I need to clear malfunctions, initially load my rifle or chamber check.
Nice to see canadian professionals make content on RUclips. Hope you find success on youtube, and i hope to see more options for carbine trainijg in canada for civilians
My FX9 is a bit different than my old C7 but I've continued to use the charging handle only, (I didn't see the last vid) I do recall using the palm of my hand in Gunfighter but I no longer do that. I grasp the charging handle with my index finger and thumb. My FX9 will sometimes release the bolt catch when I insert the mag hard enough. Again, I'm a civi now, it's unlikely I will use any weapon system in anger. But cool video, this was a topic of conversation in 2011, so it's interesting to see it coming up on your channel. I believe the gunfighter course was mostly driven by JTF2 knowledge/TTP's. Keep the vids coming!!!
Real world expert vs. internet trolls. This same thing happened with handguns, Glocks in particular. About 10 years back the Glock factory said do not use the thin sheet metal slide lock to drop the slide and the internet trolls & trailer park commandos went crazy, because they knew better than the engineers that designed the gun. Please keep share your valuable knowledge.
He was right in the first video and this video...the same reasons James Yeager also preferred the charging handle. Here comes the comments in 3,2,1....lol....
Randy, I have to respectfully disagree with you. I was never a memeber of CANSOF just a regular ol medic attached with one of our light battalions. I heard the same reasoning with the infantry, under stress you lose fine monor control and therefore it's much easier to use the charging handle vs pushing the bolt release with your thumb. I never subscribed to that thought process, pulling a trigger is a fine motor skill, pressing the mag release is a fine motor skill, manipulating the safety is a fine motor skill. So how come I can perform all these fine motor skills but I'm unable to push a button right next to my thumb after inserting a mag. I respect your opinion and you have way more expereince with this than I do. But I could point you to countless US SOF veterans Tier 1 and regular SOF who say to use your thumb to hit the bolt release as it is significantly faster to get the gun back into the fight. Just my two cents from what I've seen other former tier 1 operators say.
And as a medic you would need to employ fine motor skills when going through Care under Fire; and the way to mitigate the effects of stress is consistent reps. It's like people purposely ignore that humans are capable of amazing things...but when it comes to small arms we just turn into bumbling idiots under stress? The logic hasn't held up for decades...and people still push it.
@@Traineddelta stick to packing wounds. You know how ridiculous you sound? I’m a butcher, but I disagree with the way this 4 star chef is cooking the meat. From my experience as a butcher…..
@@user-lx8xw6pn4v Cool story bro. Like I said, there's a plethora of former US Tier 1 operators on RUclips that I can point to that say to use the bolt release not the charging handle. I disagreed with doctors all the time as a medic... Just because you're a tier 1 operator, or a doctor, doesn't mean everything you say is gospel.
He doesnt really say its a fine vs gross motor skill thing. Basically saying one keeps you on target better and higher percentage of bolt fully going forward. Issued C8 shit ass ambi charging handle was no go using the CH as it was getting caught on the shitty issued single point black hawk slings and other gear which would then create a stoppage.
Can confirm this is how and what we are taught in the caf. And yes on field exercises even just shooting 5 mags through a clean gun, Ive found it doesnt always seat the bolt fully forward using the bolt catch. Using the charging handle has always negated that for me.
If your relatively clean AR pattern rifle can't chamber a live round fully from pressing the bolt catch, there's a problem with the rifle. Usually a weak buffer spring or a faulty magazine. With that said, nothing wrong with the cocking handle reload if you're well practised with it. Also fellow CAF with a shitload of experience with ARs both military and civvie side.
@bizyyy2746 I haven't had a bolt catch chamber fail with me on any issued C7A2 i've used with live rounds, no matter how dirty it's gotten between cleanings. Only had it fail once with blanks very early on in my career, but you know as well as I do that blanks are significantly dirtier and inherently less reliable than live rounds.
If it doesnt go into full battery transition to side arm. We are only allowed 5 rounds so us Canadians should be quick at transitioning and or clear and reload drills. Fuck our laws are dumb
Nope. you explained it well enough in the first video. major muscle movement under stress is vastly better then the fine motor skills (bolt release/ catch) also a gun that is dirty there is not enough spring tension to fully seat the bolt into battery. nailed it Randy..
fuddlore from the magpul dynamics daze lol. funny enough slapping the bolt catch is probably less of a fine motor skill than racking the charging handle. i recommend looking up what a fine motor skill actually is.
Fine motor skills?? To use a thumb thats already in position after seating a mag? As opposed to having to move that hand from the mag, behind the action, pinch something between two fingers, pull..ect... 😂😂 its laughable...and sounds like someone is trying to "justify their purchase".
@@BigBabyGaming100 it won’t be on their agenda whatsoever 🎉 BillC21, the March 2020 OIC and the handgun freeze are not a priority. They say nice things to get PAL holder votes
No shot timer times shown or target hits scored in this video….I’ll stick with bolt release method using the palm of my offhand. If you’re going to make a claim that a method is faster….prove it with shorter times and A zone hits.
Glad you clarified. Now I can add you to the Do Not Recommend list without worrying that I'm missing something. That's some serious range theatrics BS right there.
The theatrics is the comments fighting over tried and true methods used by tier 1 operators. Throwing out a whole wealth of knowledge because their little ego got poked.
But if there was no paddle, how would you then catch the boat? Oh I guess you would have to use an empty magazine whenever you wanted to hold the bolt open with the bolt catch
@@ManitobaManny Again, my argument is that catching the bolt is not its sole function. If that were the case, I guess the top half of the paddle is just there to look cool?
in IDF they use they rack the slide when doing a mag change if the slide is locked back .. this is from what i am told a gross motor skill vs using the slide release which is considered a fine motor skill
@@RAPEDBYBLACKS bet you never served. The quality of training our troops recieve is exceptional especially due to the lack of funding which i agree with you on. CANSOFCOM get tons of funding and training, they train and operate with various tier one organizations. They held the longest sniper kill for years. They are praised by everyone that works with them. They havent had a single KIA since their creation.
@MichaelParker-j6d Ever crawled with a Tq mounted like that? Its gone after 10 meters, not to mention UV and weather exposure. Its fine (ish) if it is simply 1 of 4 that you have on you and you dont have the space to have a pouch. However that i clearly not the case here. But your right, lots of guys carry Tq's like that and they usually do it "becuse GT, Instructor Zero, etc etc" carry it like this.
@@mattis537no I have not because I’m not an operator lol. I only have one on my kit. You’re not wrong about exposure to the elements but these guys know that. His reasoning for his TQ location is incase one hand becomes inoperable for whatever reason he can access it with both hands. He also probably would carry 3+ TQs on his kit in a real combat scenario. Not saying you’re wrong but it’s personal preference and not really a reason to not take his real world experience seriously
Buddy, you're posting content on social media, you're going to get criticized no matter what you do. You're JTF2, so I expect you to be able to take criticism. You're Canadian like us, and with all this talk of American annexation of Canada, I hope you are on our side.
He’s not. No military is on “our” side man. They are on Trudeau side and follow orders. Civilians that praise these guys are literally praising their killers
You’re a stud, don’t worry about the keyboard wanna be’s. They haven’t done a 1/16th of what you’ve seen and done. Canada is ranked one of the highest trained militaries in the world and you’re one of the elite of that military. Pay little mind to those that are jealous. 😈
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I knew this was going to send the Internet Operators into a tizzy.
Hahha! All good fella. Everyone has a right to their opinion.
I have a couple disagreements, but I want to start by saying that I can see a use for the charging handle over the bolt catch if your rifle is dirty like you mentioned. That being said:
1. The fine motor skills argument boils down to a skill issue. The answer should always be to train/dry fire until you are proficient with your firearm. If it were a genuine problem, we'd hear about people having issues using the mag release on their firearms, but no one ever wants to bring that up when discussing the fine motor skills argument.
2. You can use the bolt catch while keeping the rifle stock seated in your shoulder. In fact, when transitioning from firing to reloading using the bolt catch, the stock never has to leave your shoulder.
With that said, I still agree with your final thoughts. Both get the job done. Ideally, you become proficient with both to give yourself the most options.
Your reception of the fine motor skills argument is flying over your head, it is not a skill issue. The argument is based on situations where an IED strikes takes out your point man, the soldier 5 meters behind you takes a machine gun burst to the torso and your body goes into the black and you cannot physically utilize your fine muscle skills.
@@user-lx8xw6pn4v In the scenario you brought up, would I all of a sudden forget how to use the trigger, safety, or mag release? If the answer is no, why would this not also be the case for the bolt release?
The reality of the situation is that it's not as black and white as losing all fine motor skills when under duress. You lose the skills you are untrained on.
@@user-lx8xw6pn4vGrasping the the charging handle and pulling it is fine motor control.
@@royd-l You are 100% incorrect and have no real life experience in these situations. The majority of people here are speaking from their experience of shooting at a range. Tell me I am incorrect.
@@user-lx8xw6pn4v lol ok
I agree. I don’t have a Bad lever but I train both of the other 2 methods. So many variables. A guy could insert mag, use bolt release and not pick up a round. Requiring a tap rack. So always good to train options. Been following your channel a while now. Good Canadian content.
Massive props for putting out this video in response to the questions/comments on your other video. You did a much better job of explaining yourself in this video and I can't really find too much fault in your reasoning. I'm still a use the bolt catch kind of guy (especially for civilian applications), but I can see situations where the charging handle makes sense using your reasoning.
Cause in every gun fight you and your rifle will be clean, with no mud, sand or dirty.
If it increase the chances that a round will be loaded as expected, I am in.
Thanks for bringing this up.
Best,
Tier 1 Operator - Here is some great information at no cost. Information learned over years of war fighting through various Tier 1 organizations.
Internet - Nah, you're wrong.
ikr. He is incredibly polite, especially so considering the monumental ignorance he's faced with.
He explained it poorly in the last video, this cleared a lot of things up. He can be tier 1 and still make a bad video
Tier 1 doesn't exist in Canada
@@joshuamoore89 It absolutely does exist, and he is it.
@@joshuamoore89 .... 🤦♂️
Absolutely zero sense. Even the economy of motion is severely flawed
I'm old enough to have been trained on the venerable FNC1A1 rifle and left the 031 before the transition to the C-7 / 8 rifles.
With the FN, the bolt "hold open device" was just forward of the mag release button and because of the design of the folding charging handle, we almost exclusively used the hold open device to release the bolt and carrier and with any type of glove on, the use of the charging handle could be difficult.
I purchased an AR platform years after and was impressed by the superior ergonomics of the rifle compared to the FN.
Because of my previous training, I tend to go straight to the bolt release to chamber a round.
This is in no way a criticism of your recommendations just an observation.
Using a baffle suppressor, and how the gun gets super gunked up, I could see where the gun would be way dirtier under a normal cycle of use.
I agree a person should know them all and the brain will pick which one to use when it matters (if the subconscious proficiency has been built)
Thank you for the information brother.
I think the merits of knowing and training variations is vital for the ability to operate your systems, I could also see how this could be beneficial depending on how you are reloading, in shoulder pocket, broken down in workspace, non traditional shooting positions etc along with the integration with stoppage manipulation
Thank you for the video! I would love to see all three methods done on the clock and with a TriggerCam if time / budget permitted.
Trained with Frank and Josh at Millbrook years ago. He had same explanation however the issued single point sling on the endplate sling attachment and the issued shitty ambi charging handle on the C8 would get caught on the sling and gear which would create a stoppage. I didnt have that problem as I still used the original CH and had a Vickers 2 point sling. But those with issued equipment had a few challenges.
I say do what works well for you...
However, I personally never had an issue just smacking the side of the rifle to release the bolt. Thats why the bolt release is shaped like a paddle. No "fine motor control" needed and rifle stays in the shoulder. Ive also personally never had my rifle get so dirty that the bolt release didn't run. But i was also just a data dink in the corps and I don't shoot 5000rds a week.
BAD Lever is the answer. For the cost of a few Big Mac meals, and the fact that it makes your stoppage remedies that much quicker and more consistent, this shouldn't even be an argument.
folks, this is why you go to performance based shooters for training mechanics or weapon skills. Not your regular SOF dude.
yup
Indeed
That's more or less where SOF goes for this shit nowadays.
In the beginning, Grandfather Mikhail created Avtomat Kalashnikova;
And the bolt catch was without form, and void; for there was no bolt catch;
And the Spirit of Mikhail moved upon the face of the milled steel.
And Mikhail said Let there be rifle. And there was rifle.
And Mikhail saw the rifle, that it was good: and Mikhail divided the milled steel from the darkness.
And there was much rejoicing.
And then Uncle Stoner rolled in;
And he said unto every beast of the earth, and to every fowl of the air, and to every thing that creepeth upon the earth, wherein there is life, I have given thee the bolt catch: and it was so.
And rejoicing there was no more.
Ha,ha well said Sir.
@direct_action_combat I guess another argument for cycling the charging handle on a reload, aka "bolt locked open stoppage" is that its a common movement also used for stoppage clearance on "bolt closed stoppage" (tap/tug/cycle charging handle), and for that matter the last part on "bolt partial stoppage" (lock bolt open, eject mag, clear obstrucion, insert mag with tap and tug, cycle charging handle). Its a common way to conclude all three stoppages (or interuptions of fire).
Keep up the content brother, I'm enjoying your videos.
I think his message was for new shooters on the weapon. If you have a lot of experience with it this seems crazy.
This is assuming that your rifle will always be in you shoulder for a reload. There are situations where your stock will not be in your shoulder ie, moving to cover, moving around people, moving around obstacles, in confined spaces etc. In which case the muzzle is already WAY off the target.
Not to mention simply re-gripping the fore-stock can impart movement on the muzzle.
Using the charging handle instead of the catch also means if for some reason your bolt didn't lock, or was released while you were reloading you don't have to worry about hitting your release and having nothing happen. In that case you would have to use the charging handle anyway. If you go straight for the changing handle no matter what chaotic BS is going on with your gun it's going to be ready.
Hey, Randy. I often wonder about the legal hoops you’ve had to jump through to use your weapon platforms, even just in the training settings as seen in a lot of your videos.
I wanted to get out and do some training on my on my own time/dime and was willing to use the AR-180 variants permitted in Canada just to throw some lead down range but with the recent prohibition on pretty much all platforms it’s not looking like that’ll happen.
What level of licensing do you have? And was it carried over from your time at the Unit?
B.a.d. Lever or similar, period. If it doesn't go into battery and you lose the gunfight, then so be it. The other side always has a say and so does murphy, fate, luck or whatever you want to call it.
You're an experienced gunfighter. They are not. That should be enough of an explanation but unfortunately the internet strikes again.
James Yeager proven right again. He was big proponent of using the charging handle.
That's sound like an acceptable design flaw.
I really like your content. I’ve been following you now for about a year. I’m a tactical team instructor specializing in firearms training. However I am gonna have to do the keyboard thing and call you out again. You stated the reason to use the charging handle is because it locks it into your shoulder and allows you to get back up on target faster.. But in this very video, you put the gun into your shoulder before you actuated the charging handle. Using the bolt catch release allows the bolt to go into battery as the carbine is being brought back up into the shoulder. In both cases, using the bolt catch release or the charging handle, you had broken your grip on the rifle and it was no longer in your shoulder. So I don’t really understand how doing the Emergency magazine change, then putting into your shoulder and then working the charging handle is faster than using the bolt catch release and as it’s being brought back into the shoulder. I do teach both methods, allow the trainees to try both methods. And then let them choose for themselves which to do. I’m just having trouble understanding your explanation. It just doesn’t seem to make any sense. I also spoke to our armour about this today. I showed him your video and we had a good discussion. In his professional opinion, using the charging handle would do almost nothing to increase the power of the buffer spring.
Agreed on your last point. I'm sure it differs depending on the exact buffer tube/spring setup, but actuating the charging handle with an h2 buffer and carbine length buffer tube/spring gives me about 1/4" more travel which seems negligible
I'm going to add a little consideration to his videos that he didn't speak about. But firstly, I understand the point you are trying to make based on the example in this video. To be fair, it was not the best representation of it. I have always done this, and if you are reloading while moving, this does help align your firearm toward the threat and reset it in your shoulder.
If there were statistics available, they would show that either using the bolt release or the charging handle leads to a 99.9% effective return to battery, provided the proper technique is used for the bolt release.
Let's talk about that. Slapping the bolt release is mostly a gross motor skill. Under stress, the hand might cup, and I've seen several shooters either miss because of cup hands or miss the bolt release entirely, which leads to longer reloads and less control. I recommend using your thumb when my trainees decide to use the bolt release and I show them what works for me when I do use it 4:18 . Old "military doctrine" says you lose fine motor skills under stress, which is not entirely true. You lose the ones you are not trained on. If you train yourself to use your thumb with a proper sequence, it will have no negative impact on your shooting/reset whatsoever. AND using the bolt release will be as effective as the charging handle. (I've seen some shooters cause malfunctions when learning how to use the charging handle, mostly due to not releasing the charging handle)
Now for the other consideration. As a left-handed shooter, I never had the opportunity to get an ambidextrous bolt release, which led to me using only the charging handle. When I decided to become a "fully ambidextrous" shooter, meaning not only practicing some injured arm drills but also using my weapon system on both sides flawlessly, I found it was much easier for me to reproduce my left-handed muscle memory on the right side because I was using the charging handle, I never got fully confortable using the bolt release. From what I observed with trainees, when we practiced wrong-side shooting, the ones using the bolt release were more confused by their reloading sequence. Some of them just flipped their gun to the right side so they could use the bolt release.
To summarize my point, I think both methods are as effective as one another and in 99.9% of situations whatever technique you choose will work but learning to use both will just make you a more flexible shooter.
Cheers!
I’d definitely agree although I find running a charging handle with the bolt locked back to be pretty annoying. When you pull it back your hand shoots back (I’ve slipped many times and smacked my face) because there’s no spring tension and when it releases it usually catches my hand/fingers and rips my hand forward on the way into battery. It’s jarring and I find it personally adds absolutely nothing to speed or proficiency in running an ar15. I’ll continue to use the bolt release until I need to clear malfunctions, initially load my rifle or chamber check.
In the demonstration it looked like the bolt catch was def most efficient
Nice to see canadian professionals make content on RUclips. Hope you find success on youtube, and i hope to see more options for carbine trainijg in canada for civilians
😂
Commie Canada is on its way to ban private civilian training and most firearms.
Won’t happen.
maple leaf 4eva
My FX9 is a bit different than my old C7 but I've continued to use the charging handle only, (I didn't see the last vid) I do recall using the palm of my hand in Gunfighter but I no longer do that. I grasp the charging handle with my index finger and thumb. My FX9 will sometimes release the bolt catch when I insert the mag hard enough. Again, I'm a civi now, it's unlikely I will use any weapon system in anger. But cool video, this was a topic of conversation in 2011, so it's interesting to see it coming up on your channel. I believe the gunfighter course was mostly driven by JTF2 knowledge/TTP's. Keep the vids coming!!!
JTF sucks
Question - how are you using a suppressor in CAN.
He's Jtf2 he's above the law
Why not use the forward assist?
Adds a lot of time, more or less pointless.
Real world expert vs. internet trolls.
This same thing happened with handguns, Glocks in particular. About 10 years back the Glock factory said do not use the thin sheet metal slide lock to drop the slide and the internet trolls & trailer park commandos went crazy, because they knew better than the engineers that designed the gun.
Please keep share your valuable knowledge.
Who makes that plate carrier?
He was right in the first video and this video...the same reasons James Yeager also preferred the charging handle. Here comes the comments in 3,2,1....lol....
Much better explanation
Randy, I have to respectfully disagree with you. I was never a memeber of CANSOF just a regular ol medic attached with one of our light battalions. I heard the same reasoning with the infantry, under stress you lose fine monor control and therefore it's much easier to use the charging handle vs pushing the bolt release with your thumb. I never subscribed to that thought process, pulling a trigger is a fine motor skill, pressing the mag release is a fine motor skill, manipulating the safety is a fine motor skill. So how come I can perform all these fine motor skills but I'm unable to push a button right next to my thumb after inserting a mag. I respect your opinion and you have way more expereince with this than I do. But I could point you to countless US SOF veterans Tier 1 and regular SOF who say to use your thumb to hit the bolt release as it is significantly faster to get the gun back into the fight. Just my two cents from what I've seen other former tier 1 operators say.
And as a medic you would need to employ fine motor skills when going through Care under Fire; and the way to mitigate the effects of stress is consistent reps.
It's like people purposely ignore that humans are capable of amazing things...but when it comes to small arms we just turn into bumbling idiots under stress?
The logic hasn't held up for decades...and people still push it.
@@Traineddelta stick to packing wounds. You know how ridiculous you sound?
I’m a butcher, but I disagree with the way this 4 star chef is cooking the meat. From my experience as a butcher…..
@@user-lx8xw6pn4v Cool story bro. Like I said, there's a plethora of former US Tier 1 operators on RUclips that I can point to that say to use the bolt release not the charging handle. I disagreed with doctors all the time as a medic... Just because you're a tier 1 operator, or a doctor, doesn't mean everything you say is gospel.
@@Traineddelta totally getting “ I did 5 years as a medic and I disagree with your 10 tests of medical school vibes”
He doesnt really say its a fine vs gross motor skill thing. Basically saying one keeps you on target better and higher percentage of bolt fully going forward. Issued C8 shit ass ambi charging handle was no go using the CH as it was getting caught on the shitty issued single point black hawk slings and other gear which would then create a stoppage.
Can confirm this is how and what we are taught in the caf. And yes on field exercises even just shooting 5 mags through a clean gun, Ive found it doesnt always seat the bolt fully forward using the bolt catch. Using the charging handle has always negated that for me.
If your relatively clean AR pattern rifle can't chamber a live round fully from pressing the bolt catch, there's a problem with the rifle. Usually a weak buffer spring or a faulty magazine. With that said, nothing wrong with the cocking handle reload if you're well practised with it.
Also fellow CAF with a shitload of experience with ARs both military and civvie side.
@burnyburnoutze2nd would make sense with the issued rifles being used and abused, then passed to the next guy.
@bizyyy2746 I haven't had a bolt catch chamber fail with me on any issued C7A2 i've used with live rounds, no matter how dirty it's gotten between cleanings. Only had it fail once with blanks very early on in my career, but you know as well as I do that blanks are significantly dirtier and inherently less reliable than live rounds.
@@burnyburnoutze2nd you're right
Trudeau appreciates your service, commie
What’s it like following orders blindly?
Sincerely,
A Canadian that thinks y’all are a joke
Its called a charging handle for a reason
Seems a lot of people didn't watch until 3:35...
Didn’t know u could get suppressors in Canada
You can’t.
Only commie traitors that served can have a Prohib license
why wouldn't SOF and Tactical LE have them?
Adapt. Innovate. Overcome. Bravo Zulu
Cringe. Gay. Lame.
@@RAPEDBYBLACKS 💯
If it doesnt go into full battery transition to side arm. We are only allowed 5 rounds so us Canadians should be quick at transitioning and or clear and reload drills. Fuck our laws are dumb
I'm guessing Randy up there in the video would agree with you. But I'm not sure. I wonder.
lol
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@@sam-kx3ty it’s funny cuz he’s a canadian
And Canadians teaching this stuff is a joke
Nope. you explained it well enough in the first video. major muscle movement under stress is vastly better then the fine motor skills (bolt release/ catch) also a gun that is dirty there is not enough spring tension to fully seat the bolt into battery.
nailed it Randy..
Pressing the mag catch and pulling the trigger are also fine motor skills...
What matters more is muscle memory to the point you can't fuck it up.
"fine motorskills" to press the boltrelease? LMAO you can literally push it with an open hand.
try doing that with pulling the charging handle.
fuddlore from the magpul dynamics daze lol. funny enough slapping the bolt catch is probably less of a fine motor skill than racking the charging handle. i recommend looking up what a fine motor skill actually is.
@@Oscar-ds2vb exactly lol why do ppl still say this 🤣
Fine motor skills?? To use a thumb thats already in position after seating a mag? As opposed to having to move that hand from the mag, behind the action, pinch something between two fingers, pull..ect... 😂😂 its laughable...and sounds like someone is trying to "justify their purchase".
come train this is Canada pal we can't own those guns anymore
theyll be back in 2025
@ idk if it will be in 2025 but it’s for sure a possibility with a conservative government. It won’t be the first thing on their agenda unfortunately.
@@Fragnatix no they won’t 😂
Do you know ANYTHING about Canadian history? Liberals ban and when Cons get in they say “hey we didn’t do it”
@@BigBabyGaming100 it won’t be on their agenda whatsoever 🎉
BillC21, the March 2020 OIC and the handgun freeze are not a priority. They say nice things to get PAL holder votes
You and everyone else who takes this advice would benefit from listening to Matt Pranka. Prove it with a timer and A zone hits.
Look at all these phony internet trolls, 😂
nice.
Hey are you training in Canada?
Like this 👍.
whatever, I always trust the true operators especially from special forces.
Hahahahhahahahah i was about to say the same 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂🤷🏽♂️
That’s dumb.
No shot timer times shown or target hits scored in this video….I’ll stick with bolt release method using the palm of my offhand. If you’re going to make a claim that a method is faster….prove it with shorter times and A zone hits.
Glad you clarified.
Now I can add you to the Do Not Recommend list without worrying that I'm missing something.
That's some serious range theatrics BS right there.
Lmao this guy is in the RUclips comment section for a reason guys
The theatrics is the comments fighting over tried and true methods used by tier 1 operators. Throwing out a whole wealth of knowledge because their little ego got poked.
@@bizyyy2746JTF is not tier 1, at all. No funding,
And what real tier 1 does this?
You really shouldn’t worry about the keyboard masters, it’s called a bolt catch for a reason, it’s named defines its job.
If its function were to solely catch the bolt, there would be no paddle
But if there was no paddle, how would you then catch the boat? Oh I guess you would have to use an empty magazine whenever you wanted to hold the bolt open with the bolt catch
@@ManitobaManny Again, my argument is that catching the bolt is not its sole function. If that were the case, I guess the top half of the paddle is just there to look cool?
Oh totally it’s not It’s sole function.
@@ManitobaManny What?
You press the nub below the paddle to hold the bolt open manually.
You press the paddle to RELEASE the bolt.
Grettings from Poland! Great content 💪
in IDF they use they rack the slide when doing a mag change if the slide is locked back .. this is from what i am told a gross motor skill vs using the slide release which is considered a fine motor skill
Racking the slide on a handgun is a fine motor skill...just like pressing a trigger or magazine release.
lol JTF is not a good organization, and the Canadian forces suck. How can we have anything Tier 1 when there isn’t any funding for anything.
And they do the bidding of our corrupt government…. This dude ain’t our friend
funding alone does not translate directly to operator skill
@@RAPEDBYBLACKS bet you never served. The quality of training our troops recieve is exceptional especially due to the lack of funding which i agree with you on. CANSOFCOM get tons of funding and training, they train and operate with various tier one organizations. They held the longest sniper kill for years. They are praised by everyone that works with them. They havent had a single KIA since their creation.
@@belosky2812 simp to them some more
Bro is wearing his single(?)TQ using a rubberband, yeah i am not listening to anything this dude says....
Weird take.. lots of military guys do this. Even Garand thumb does it. It’s a simple, cost effective way of securing your tourniquet.
@MichaelParker-j6d Ever crawled with a Tq mounted like that? Its gone after 10 meters, not to mention UV and weather exposure. Its fine (ish) if it is simply 1 of 4 that you have on you and you dont have the space to have a pouch. However that i clearly not the case here. But your right, lots of guys carry Tq's like that and they usually do it "becuse GT, Instructor Zero, etc etc" carry it like this.
@@mattis537no I have not because I’m not an operator lol. I only have one on my kit. You’re not wrong about exposure to the elements but these guys know that. His reasoning for his TQ location is incase one hand becomes inoperable for whatever reason he can access it with both hands. He also probably would carry 3+ TQs on his kit in a real combat scenario. Not saying you’re wrong but it’s personal preference and not really a reason to not take his real world experience seriously
Buddy, you're posting content on social media, you're going to get criticized no matter what you do. You're JTF2, so I expect you to be able to take criticism. You're Canadian like us, and with all this talk of American annexation of Canada, I hope you are on our side.
OMG lol
He’s not.
No military is on “our” side man. They are on Trudeau side and follow orders.
Civilians that praise these guys are literally praising their killers
Lmao JTF sucks and the Canadian forces are gay.
when usa comes here i will join you and Randy and together with our Brown Besses we shall carry the day
@@lafeeshmeister We'll probably be regulated down to bows and arrows by then, and not those scary assault bows either.
I sure hope hes in the states with that supressor or else trudope will want to put him in prison for life
You’re a stud, don’t worry about the keyboard wanna be’s. They haven’t done a 1/16th of what you’ve seen and done. Canada is ranked one of the highest trained militaries in the world and you’re one of the elite of that military. Pay little mind to those that are jealous. 😈
Haters are going to hate, you do your thing! You glorious sentinel of FREEDOM!!😂