As an EU citizen, I can assure you that I have never heard anyone here who wants the UK to rejoin. The British have done everything for 50 years to make the EU inefficient and since they left, everything is much simpler between us.
Can you explain how the UK held back the EU, because a lot of people here love to say that without any firm evidence. Ironically just like the people who voted Brexit
yes your doing great now spanish police beat old ladies in basque region eu,,uh did not see that,,,,,macrons french riots every other week no see nothing,,and german pensioners begging no never seen it,,,,you have ,,eu blindness ,its all er money and um money and of course money you eu are obsessed with money that all goes to the wealthy and rich you do not get it ,and the ,,eu free movement of cheep labour to help the wealthy and rich ,but not you the ordinary people no,, you get eu blindness,,wow,,
Now with all this brexit bollocks the eu will have a field day if britain were to be able to rejoin, they made us pay when we were in so what will they do if we rejoined,(though I can’t see it) how much will we being paying those enelected greedy European meps and still be under eu laws and rules, the mind boggles
Brexit has turned the UK from a rule maker in the EU to a rule taker from the EU whether Quitterlings like that or not. If they don't know why, they might look up "The Brussels effect" which explains why businesses around the world, be they in the US, Canada, China, Australia, Africa or South America adhere to EU rules and regulations since they want to sell things to the EU and therefore need a CE mark. So do British businesses and if the UK wants to diverge more from EU rules, it will get even harder for UK businesses to sell their goods into the EU.
@@camucamu6202 And that is even coming from a much lower GDP than possible. The UK's economy is now 70% of Germany's while it was 90% and Germany was much more dependant on Russian energy than the UK, so it did not leap ahead that much.
The Problem Was People Voted For A Thousands Little Personal Reasons For Brexit..... That's How People Were Manipulated By The Media.... Becoming A 3rd Party In Your Biggest Market Was Always Madness Are Children and Grandchildren Will Pay The Price !
@@camucamu6202 The pound is loosing valu against the EUR, the AUD, the CAD and the Yen since 2015 against the US$ since 2008 and against the Yuan since 2007. It used to fluctuate before those dates but it only knows one direction since Brexit.
It is not the EU that has to agree standards with the UK. The UK must comply with EU standards. No negotiation on this point which is a ridiculous ploy.
As en EU citizen, I was sorry when UK decided to leave, but watching the brexit slowly evolving misery, I am enjoynig the new atmosphere in our countries where no one speaks about leaving EU any more. My country - Czechia used to be very euroskeptic before brexit, but it is not seen as viable option any more. It makes me feel safer.
I now hope Europe will eventually form into something greater. What Europe 🇪🇺 needs to do now is reform, come together and hatch out a new form of a pseudo government where the peoples of Europe can elect EU officials directly. You could use the US government system as a sorta blue print (a starter) of what you guys want for the EU. Again not a final version but a start to go through to see what Europe likes and what it doesn't like. And put something new in its place.
How refreshing, starting from the fact that "in the short term, rejoining the EU is off the table". Most posts postulate some magical reset where we wake up and find ourselves back at the day before we left, and we sail serenely on. Even with goodwill on both sides, rejoining will not simply "happen". Negotiations will take years as we will not simply rejoin under our previous conditions. Trust by the EU of GB (possibly not the original GB) will be in short supply. The steepest hill to climb might be that there is no great advantage or benefit to be gained by the EU. GB needs realise the EU do NOT need us more than we need them. They do not need us at all.
@@BigHenFor Due to our geographical location, only two single markets and customs unions are an option: the EU or the EAEU. Joining others (like MercoSur or ECOWAS) is simply not very useful due to the distance. Regional trade groups that are not single markets or customs unions are - in addition to being far away - not a big improvement over WTO trade, unlike single markets and customs unions. If you're thinking of the Japan-led CP-TPP, for instance, it would barely improve anything over the existing FTAs. Many of its members are also in other groups, such as ASEAN, RCEP or USMCA.
I agree the EU does not the UK more than the UK needs it but, you@re wrong to suggest that the EU would gain nothing for it, having the UK back in the EU would also benefit the EU, both sides would mutually gain from this, that was the point of the EU.
Norway vetoed having discussions about UK joining EFTA. That's not an option. Also, Norway have to accept the four freedoms, which the UK would also have to accept. So that isn't an option for now or the future.
You can stay up to 3 months, or 6 months in any EU country if you are looking for a job and eventually if it, as the local authorities ask you for proof of funds (bank account) as soon as you arrive in any EU country.
Heck ask the mighty Apple Inc. required to use USB-C on their devices if they want to be allowed to be sold in the EU. I bloody love it when my tax euros are being spent to protect my consumer rights like this! I had about enough of Apple's stupid anti-consumer antics
If Labour win the next election they will slowly realign. It will be in their second parliament that they will be more ambitious. Perhaps in a decade the UK will rejoin the customs union and a further 10 years the single market. In effect the UK will have wasted more than a quarter of a century just to get back to a position still worse than it was in back in 2016. Brexit is a monumental waste of time and money. And completely unnecessary. The young will demand change and they will want their freedom of movement back.
What you are saying about UK rejoining in x amount of years is called making a skewer while the rabbit is still in the woods. Somehow every Brit talking about rejoining EU keeps forgetting it's not up to the UK any more. There will be 27 members, possibly even 30+ when the time for UK's application comes, to decide whether they want UK back or not. And I am not sure all EU countries are keen on welcoming UK back. There was a lot of vitriol, hostility and unreasonable behavior on the UK side towards EU, as if they were in a dungeon for 50 years.
I agree. Some good points there. A big stepping stone in the right direction would be not only stop but also reverse the rollback of EU rules, i.e. to adopt dynamic alignment. According to a report this morning in Tagesspiegel, the UK has already dropped out of Germany's top 10 list for exports, businesses citing difficulties with staff secondment and reduced investment by UK-based manufacturers, particularly carmakers. Prior to leaving the EU two years ago, the UK was ranked 5th, and Brexit is the reason. A Brexiter might say, well that's a good thing, isn't it? Well, no. A lot of these businesses reimported value-added goods back into the EU, creating jobs and wealth. Any rollback of EU conformity rules by the government would kill future export prospects, with no free trade agreement with the US ever likely to materialise.
1) Having a power European nation aligned with it 2) Growing the EU so it is the biggest market in the world again 3) Having the UK pay membership to the EU 4) Showing that Brexit does not work
@@georgiewalker5826 is that a wish list and where do we ordinary folks fit in this low pay again high house prices ,only the wealthy gain..no thanks we done that ..
@@georgiewalker5826 Does Britain want to align with the EU or use its power nation status to go its own way instead, in accordance with its Brexit vote? Britain did not willingly align before Brexit either, but bemoaned the loss of its sovereignty and objected to ECJ rulings. The EU is already growing, there are several new countries in the pipeline for membership. Being the biggest market, is not an EU aim, it will get bigger with new members automatically. UK's rebated membership fee, grudgingly paid, is not much of an incentive. Remember how much the UK got back for its membership? Estimated at about ten times its membership fee, now a direct benefit to other EU countries. The EU does not need to show that Brexit does not work, I think the UK is showing that all too clearly.
@@markmerry1471 You wanted out, you are now a third country. It is not shit, but third country reality. When Britain was in, actually Britain insisted on so many of these third country rules, that now Britain is experiencing. Because at that time, Britain wanted to treat other third countries 'like shit' (to use your own words). What goes around, comes around.
UK outside EU is a insignificant country, just look how strong is getting China, India, Russia, USA and others. Integrated in EU is the only way that UK could be a relevant country.
5th largest economy in the world, permanent UN security member, best armed forces in Europe, nuclear weapons, and set to have the largest population in Europe within 20 years Plus the faithful lapdog of the US superpower
@@pureplay7071 And new EU members are already waiting to be fully admitted and working towards fulfilling the membership criteria. The EU is getting stronger. In the UK on the other hand, NI and Scotland are striving for independence from England. Even in Wales people are getting more disgruntled.
As others from other member states have said, in Spain too, the sentiment towards the UK is one of we don't want you back. Have not met a single person which openly talks about wanting the UK back. I would though, in a heartbeat. Unfortunately, this will be a long winding mess, specially for the UK. Feel sorry for the people.
If UK wants to negotiate any of these things with EU, they would need to elect a prime minister that has as an election promise to improve things with EU. Because the endless political chaos makes any negotiations pointless. Many still remember Theresa May, who indeed wanted to have her cake and eat it too
@camu camu You picked one stat without context. Sorry in this chain the people commenting know that trick and they know the context. The question is do you? If so, why try put forward something which is misleading?
These options were available during the negotiations. Britain already has chosen from these options, and both Britain and EU have negotiated a deal, signed and ratified it. These EU sets of rules are therefore no longer options that are open to Britain. Britain can not insist on any of these any longer, having refused better relationship options at the time of the negotiations. To talk about options now, as if Britain can at this point in time decide and choose which to have, is presumptive. Now it is only the EU and EU countries who choose what Britain can have with regards to EU relationship. Britain can ask, but not insist or make anything happen without EU agreement. In fact, Sefcovic has made it perfectly clear that the review of the TCA is not an opportunity to renegotiate it, but simply a technical review on the functioning of what has been negotiated, signed and ratified.
The real reason why things have not gone well is that the exit illustrated why it was done in the first place. The UK establishment and leadership were not fit for purpose and were unable to do their jobs. These grifters just outsourced their responsibly to the EU. That was an totally unacceptable state of affairs, and the UK simply must sort itself out. This needs root and branch reform of the pollical class, the abolition of both pollical parties and reformed parliament and governance. And, frankly for the electorate to grow up and take responsibility themselves as citizens of the country. Then, when this is done to get back to Mrs. Thatcher's statecraft.
Brexit is a reality. Originally 'oven ready' and subsequently pronounced 'done' it has been served raw and indigestible. Your question is what to do, ... I suggest the UK needs to clarify, and simplify where possible, its terms of trade with the EU. The current distaste for current terms of trade, and uncertainty regarding future terms of trade, is endangering the UK auto sector which needs huge investment to make electric vehicles. The UK does not have the luxury to spend the next years ruminating on its identity or collective dreams where auto manufacturers need clarity & certainty now. Again, thank you for your work.
Why should the UK not define itself as having brexited, and not in terms of relationship with EU. Why not define itself as a country with a clear path to its confident, unique and independent end goals. The EU has moved on without still hankering after a Britain that has left, why can't the UK do the same? Or alternatively acknowledge Leaving as a mistake, strive to return to full membership and ardently work towards rejoin, starting with Article 49. I believe these are the only long term options, full independence and going a separate way or committed rejoin.
I wrote this a few years ago - IM ENGLISH - England deserves to be alone, forsaken by the other parts of the union. Alone in its pathetic racist future in the 1950's or whenever it is they fantasise about, ruled over by posh toffs from Eton in the way that makes them feel secure and that all is well with the world. Slaving 20 hours a day down the Bitcoin Mine if they are lucky and thanking the Indian mine owner for the privilege... England has NEVER gotten over the loss of the empire, it seeps through our veins, only lanced by emigration and not to an enclave of Little England in Spain. It is utterly tragic to observe from afar. The desperation to still feel part of something special is as obvious to outsiders as a fresh dog sh!t in your living room, and about as appealing... Its a desperation so strong they voted for Brexit - economic doom but the chance to feel like the big boy again for a few fleeting moments before they die. Like a drug addict committing suicide with a known overdose, unable to face the reality of the world they inhabit - but determined to go out on one last high… ---§--- The problem is - we are now faced wiht the fact that we are still alive, just, but now we have multiple organ failure and insted of going out in a blaze of glory, we are going to fade away over years in the corner of a hospital ward staffed by agency nurses doing 18 hour shifts...
Hello from The Netherlands. You seriously need a new group of politicians! I know, if the UK admits you made a wrong decision, we will welcome you back faster than you might think. Sure, Italy, France and perhaps Germany might want something out of it, but countries like The Netherlands and many others can pressure them. That's one of the perks of being in the EU. You are our friends! Please get to your sences and rejoin us. You are very welcome. And: you will have an important voice again in the EU, jour economy will become better, etc.
Again a total misrepresentation of Norway Iceland and Liechtenstein, the EFTA States, as being mere rule-takers under the EEA agreement. While the EEA agreement requires its members to adopt and implement the majority of EU single market legislation, the EEA also provides for decision-making processes and institutional structures that allow for the participation of EEA member states in shaping that legislation. Norway, Iceland, and Liechtenstein can participate in the development of EU legislation through various committees and expert groups, and can provide input and express their views on proposed legislation. While the EEA agreement requires its members to adopt and implement the majority of EU single market legislation, and deviations from this requirement are not permitted, if an EFTA state has concerns about a particular piece of single market legislation, it can raise those concerns through the EEA Joint Committee and other relevant bodies. The Joint Committee provides a forum for the EU and EEA member states to discuss and resolve any issues related to the implementation of the EEA agreement. EFTA members can request carve-outs or derogations from certain single market rules in limited circumstances. Under the European Economic Area (EEA) agreement, EEA members are required to adopt and implement the majority of EU single market legislation. However, the EEA agreement provides for certain flexibility in the form of "protocols" that allow EEA members to opt out of certain areas of single market legislation or to apply different rules in certain circumstances. For example, Protocol 15 to the EEA agreement allows Liechtenstein to apply different rules in the area of agriculture and fishery, while Protocol 23 allows Norway to opt out of certain rules related to the free movement of capital. Furthermore, the EFTA Court is the highest judicial authority in matters of interpretation and application of the European Economic Area (EEA) agreement, which governs the participation of the EFTA states (Norway, Iceland, and Liechtenstein) in the EU single market, not the European Court of Justice. While the EFTA Court is not bound by the precedents set by the ECJ, it is required to ensure the uniform interpretation and application of EEA law, which includes a significant amount of EU law. As such, the EFTA Court often looks to the ECJ for guidance in the interpretation of EU law, and the ECJ's decisions are considered highly persuasive. Even the supposedly most informed members of the UK commentariat and the political class are all at sea when it comes to explain above the reading level of a 10 years anything to do with the EU or the EEA.
The thing English people still dont understand is that the EU has no interest in changing the current deal and it has no time for anyway. The UK must get on with the deal and get it Brexit done and stop crying for help to Mother EU.
@@stephenisom6089 You could ask the EUSSR for funding you some private lessons for improving your grammar, spelling, punctuation, English. They'll gladly help.
If the *Retained EU Law (Revocation and Reform) Bill* gets passed and becomes a fully-fledged Act of Parliament, this will put a massive spanner in the works for those of us who want to see the UK coming into closer allignment with the EU. And should this Parliamentary Bill be passed into law, then not only will workers' rights, environmental protections, food safety standards and health and safety regulations be thrown into the dustbin, but it will make trading with other nationts both within and outside the EU far, far harder than it already is. The consequences of this Bill coming into law will devastate the UK economy, making Truss and Kwarteng's 'Mini-Budget' seem like a storm in a very small teacup. Just when you thought things couldn't get any worse with a Hard Tory Brexit, and 12 years of unnecessary austerity measures, giving rise to the worst cost of living crisis since the Napoleonic Wars, then along comes this bill. Welcome to *Disaster Capitalism UK* - the longest 'Smash and Grab' raid on the UK economy in history, where billionaires massively increase their already vast fortunes, and inequality has grown to the point of both unsustainability and absurdity, whilse ordinary people are struggling just to survive, and going hungry and cold whilst in full-time work, often as professional people.
@@markbriten6999 The point here is that the rules and regulations which would be dispensed with if the Retained EU Law (Rovocation and Reform) Bill is passed into law are largely concerning the following: * Worker's Rights and Protections * The right to 2 weeks paid holiday * The right for sickness pay * Environmental protection * Food Safety Rules Etc. I don't think getting rid of such laws will prove very popular with the electorate, do you?
@@stephenisom6089 I wasn't implying that that the EU want to 'bully' the UK. But yes, the EU do indeed hold all the cards - as a trading bolc, the EU is the most powerful economic force in the world. And I certainly do NOT thank God the UK is out of the EU - Brexit has proven to be a disaster from the outset.
The best option is clearly unavailable. In my view the next best option would be for Scotland, and any other enlightened parts of the former UK to leave the British union and each re-apply to the EU on their own terms, if that is their desire, leaving the remnants of the former UK as a very likely failing state. I suspect that the English may then eventually get picked up by either a US, Canada or Australian rescue bailout, leaving them as effectively a very minor and decidedly junior, offshore reverse-colony. A rather suitably ignominious end for a once great race that, since the fallen days of empire, has been sadly all to often arrogantly deluded about their place in the world. Do I sound a bit mis-anglo-ist? Yes possibly I do, but then I don't really hold any hostility for the English, even if many with strong Celtic heritage do have historical reasons to resent those who, so long ago, quietly co-opted their former nations and culture into the UK, without all that much of a by your leave. Just ask the Cornish! In the final analysis nothing in nation-hood lasts for ever. Even the mighty Roman Empire eventually fell and broke apart, but it wasn't the end of the world, just that start of a new chapter.
@@owenh.2265 US doesn't want to give statehood to their own political center, Washington DC. Nor to Puerto Rico and other US overseas territories. Why would they give statehood to England? Because Scotland and Northern Ireland wouldn't go with it for sure. They want to be part of the EU, not US vasal states.
The EU and GB can benefit substantially from each other, but UK government has to change for that. UK doesn't even have to rejoin to enable benefits for both sides. Though any step in this direction would be good to see.
Superb and informative, again. Thanks. I have difficulties with figures like U.K. median growth. Firstly so many wages have been pinned down for so long. And, so much goes to the very wealthy. The bottom quartile are probably getting a couple of extra peanuts.
the eu model free cheep movement of people,, to help the wealthy get cheep labour this caused wages to stagnate and house prices to sore out of control ,the ,,eu and wealthy business got richer treating migrants as surfs ,we should be ashamed ,remoaners think its good to treat migrants like surfs,,and they really think their the good guys .we stay out..
A Swiss deal cannot happen. Even if the EU would consider it, which will not happen, it would take more than a decade. EFTA is unlikely as it would thoroughly destabilise the current members. A separate EFTA style EEA agreement could happen, if only the UK could convince as a trustworthy partner. Norway has its own parallel court of justice in Luxembourg (a short walk from the EU Court of Justice) providing a semblance of independence. It is a costly expedient, but Norway with Liechtenstein and Iceland can afford it. The UK could do something similar, however finding a suitable building in Luxembourg would be very expensive. Whilst the Norwegians are not so unhappy with a backseat role, UK politicians are more likely to moan about exclusion from the decision making assemblies. Many discuss the prospects of Scotland joining the EU, however more likely is that Northern Ireland will have MEPs before Scotland does.
As a Dutch EU citizen living in the EU and with some experience in politics I see far too much pessimism in Britain concerning rejoining. It is said that by rejoining Britain has to accept the Euro and Schengen. Of course not ! We are not going to push the Euro or Schengen through the throat of anybody. Denmark and Schweden have an official opt out of the Euro and eastern EU countries, which don't have the Euro, don't even have an opt out and still nobody forces them into the Euro. This is not because Eurozone countries are angels but simply because you don't want to take unnecessary risks with an important thing like your currency. Countries which are forced into the Euro will only cause problems an destabilize the Euro. Nobody wants this in the Eurozone, for that the Euro is simply too important. If Britain wants and opt out from the Euro, Schengen, Erasmus and/of Horizon it will get that I'm sure. The only thing you cannot get an opt out from is the single market and customs union (because that is 85% of what the EU is) and the fundamentals of the EU (you have to be a democracy and respect the state of law). The rebate you had will be gone though but if Britain negotiates smartly, keeps the atmosphere right, I think it has a good chance for some kind of rebate because there are other countries (like The Netherlands) who have some sort of rebate and if Britain has a good argumentation why it is in a similar situation as these countries it has a good chance of getting some sort of rebate, I'm optimistic about that. Furthermore, don't fall into the penny wise pound foolish trap: A rebate or not will cost you a few billion pounds more or less but that is nothing compared to the gain of frictionless trade with the EU, here you're talking about tens of billions of extra economic growth over the years. The question I have though is should Britain rejoin at all ? Wouldn't it be more natural for Britain to rejoin the economic Europe (Single Market and Customs Union) and to stay out of the political Europe ? I have always wondered why there was never any real attempt in Britain to reach a national compromise over its relationship with the EU. The harsh Brexiteers took it all and all the rest was left in the dark and was ignored including moderate Brexiteers. For many Brexiteers "take back control" and immigration were the most important issue why they voted Brexit. For most Remainers the economy. Rejoining the single market and customs union would satisfy the Remainer's main reason for their vote (and meanwhile quite some Brexit voters wouldn't object either) . Not rejoining the EU would mean staying out of the political Europa (Britain would have nothing to do with all the EU laws not concerning the single market) which is something most Brexit voters will like. Some would argue that returning to the single market would mean returning to the freedom of labour (Britain will get no opt out here) and thus higher immigration levels. But given that the wages in eastern Europe are much higher now and given the bad experiences with Brexit for many EU citizens who lived in the UK (their stories spread to the EU public) there will simply not be high influxes of EU citizens anymore. Furthermore we have seen that Brexit didn't reduce the overall immigration levels partially because Britain simply needs immigrants for its economy so if they don't come from EU countries they'll come from elsewhere. And last but not least, in the time of Britains EU membership Britain could simply send immigrants back who would have come by boat from France (Lisbon treaty), France would have been obliged to take them back. That is now no longer the case leading to the present crisis so that problem could be solved as well. Some would argue that by rejoining the single market Britain can no longer strike its own trade deals. But that is not true. Germany has big and successfull trade deals with China, the only thing is that they should be within the framework of the Single Market rules but these rules leave enough room for good deals. Furthermore given its size, the EU simply makes better deals than Britain (compare the British deal with New Zealand to the recent EU deal with this very same country). And let's be honest, the world is simply not standing in line for deals with Britain, its internal market is simply too small. You're only counting when you have hundreds of millions of consumers not 67 million ones. So if I could give Britain an advice: Contemplate a national compromise on your relation with the EU and rejoin the Single Market and Customs Union but stay out of the political Europe so don't rejoin the EU.
Why would we want to rejoin? Due to remainers, we still haven't managed to leave it yet. Perhaps if you had got behind it, we could have sorted it by now instead of trying to put as many obstacles in the way as you can. Yes we are fed up with Brexit debates, as you say. So let's get it done.
You should have thought about Northern Ireland issues before voting for brexit. It is not EU who makes the leaving difficult - it is UK who has put itself in this terrible trilema. The brexit showed that the brexiteers did not have any viable plan. Everyone with common sense saw this problem comming.
Let me put the opposite case. Due to Leaver's inertia, nothing has got done to help Britain on a confident new post Brexit path. Leavers were very good at smashing relationships with the EU and at talking the EU down and achieving Brexit, but utterly failed to go their new independent Brexit way with confidence. What new Brexit way? you may well ask. There was never a plan on what to do after Brexit, about the end goal and on how to achieve it. What actually does an independent, post Brexit Britain strive towards? I fail to see a plan or any achievement in that direction. And we are thoroughly fed up with Leavers not actively making their dreams come true and for us all getting to feel those fabled Brexit advantages.
As an EU citizen, how about forming a trade union with the US and Canada? Add Australia and New Zealand to the list as a bonus. Cultural ties would make it easier and it would benefit all parties. And over time, as the EU and US regulations align more and more to ease trade, the differences between the UK and the continent would remain marginal. The main issues here are the ages of the legislation. EU members have more modern legislation, while the US and UK would benefit from a modernization that learns from lessons the EU learned too, but that is more typical to their situations. The point is that the current EU block and the UK have too many differences to reconcile easily. But a new union in the western sphere would make all sorts of benefitial options be possible. And would not have the emotional baggage.
Tensions are sought after by British gov. Does not matter what Europe does. Better not to mingle with British. I would like them to join back on the euro and full integration and not only based on economical advantages but social as well.
you mean we get back cheep free movement of people and then treat them like surfs on low low wages and very hard work so our rich and wealthy get mega rich,,, and we get wage stagnation for decades and sky high house prices that help the rich and wealthy get mega rich and we get nothing again ,naaah we leave that to dopey eu ..lovers ,....rich man loves eu..
I certainly don't. 6 weeks after our final brexit deal, which we didn't really leave anyway, covid struck. So, the benefits of brexit have not be fully utilised. Besides, the eu us in a mess. Germany had to borrow €200 billion just to subsidise their winter energy requirements. Inflation and low growth is slso a problem for all Western European countries. We're too expensive.
It was, Glen! I think all Brexit-supporters I knew personally (bar one) counted on some kind of variant of the Norway-alternative. ...although they maybe exaggerated how interested the EU was in UK cherry-picking. In fact, they seemed quite surprised in the autumn of 2016, when Theresa May went for a Canada-style relationship instead.
@@jmolofsson Brexitters may have counted on that because they were promised it by (part of) the Leave campaign. But it was never realistic. The EFTA did not want the UK to bring its chaos and subversion into its relation with the EU. The EU would also never have allowed the UK into the EEA without dramatically strengthening the EEA structures.
@k Disagree, it was on the table, Barnier did offer Norway Plus as one option, but it was roundly rejected by Britain as BINO. Now it is no longer on offer.
Good question. I would say Britain should make up its mind! Either go on a post Brexit uniquely British path for better or worse, with clear objectives and goals. Or alternatively, and my preference, cut its post Brexit losses, be honest about its regrets and issue Article 49 to ask for rejoining the EU.
It is strange that the video distinguishes between free movement of services, labor, capital and goods. Very strange! It's probably an unsustainable state with the belligerent tones from London, yes. The UK needs to make up their minds. Should the TCA be kept or not? If it is to be kept, then the UK has to start implementing made agreements. The main question remains: What would the European Union gain from a customs union?
I wonder what scots think about leaving the UE, as far as I know they wanted to remain in the EU. In any case, my best wishes to british people, I hope they will fix every problem related to economy etc.
How strange as there is no mention of N Ireland here at all, for a start they are doing well as they can still freely trade with the EU which says it all really, and secondly Brexit was never going to work as the consequence of NI was never ever considered in Westminster, everybody in Ireland knew this years ago, so it would seem that the few wealthy and politically influential people that somehow would benefit by Brexit did indeed manage to convince a sizeable proportion of mainly England and Wales that it is a good idea to impose trading barriers with your closest trading union and lose freedom of movement at the same time........wow......unbelievable, so beginning to smell the coffee now! its about as productive as Liz Truss and Kamakazi's unfunded tax cuts saga......the BOE had to bail out the pension industry....now we learn the chancellor of the exchequer/party chairman has been sacked for tax evasion. PS you should also have mentioned rules of origin in this video!
@@markbriten6999 I think you mean T May figured out the trilemma as it was known and the hard line ERG mob were having none of it and Boris enters the stage at that point, however, my point is the DUP are against what was delivered by Bojo and chums because they are effectively still in Europe for trade purposes and want desperately to be deep within the motherland and anyone in Ireland could have told you this outcome in 2016 because they understand the border issue and the protection that the GFA gives to the border question, so we have all been watching this mental disaster unfold for the past 6 years, the irony is NI has free access North South East and West! most business people are very happy with the current situation regardless of the handful of jews who can't import kosher grub, well their brothers in the South could send that up hassle free, the media should've mentioned that when it was news!
@@KScan-cj5wi don't forget the hard left who, and I'm not sure why, hated the EU and wanted a hard brexit. Well they've got it and the Tories are busy ripping up all workers rights. You get what you wanted?
The Uk should take advantage of her own mad descission and wait for the unicorns to arrive ..... ( you can still hear a lot of Brexshiteers chearing Brexshit !!)
Brexit is very weird to me. I just don’t understand how some people can live in a post-brexit world and still say they don’t regret voting leave. It’s like they’ve been brainwashed
the seats still warm what did you think a lotto win for every one were only just nearly right out ,give it time ,this obsession with money money and money ,we now have less eu free movement of cheep labour that helped the wealthy... not the ordinary person .we treated migrants as surfs for the rich the ,,eu still does ,
Brainwashed?....democratic majority of the UK voted for sovereignty, independence from a corrupt, anti democratic, unaccountable, protectionist, mafioso organisation run by a bunch of childish, vindictive, self serving, gravy train riding, free loading parasites. Leaving was about self governance, empowering the UK to make its own decisions. It does not set in stone what those decisions must be, it's back in the hands of the UK public and not in the hands of or shackled to Brussels.
Can someone explain to the British commentariat that Brexit is so damaging because of the belief in sector by sector agreements? The EU doesn't want it or replication of the Swiss deal.
It's not brexit we regret. It's trusting are government to actually try and fight for us to get a good deal and stand up for the peaple who pay for everything.
Then you are a very lucky one. The vast majority of people didn't get a pay rise. Indeed companies are going bust or relocating to the EU. And you understand that your company now has to pass the added costs onto the consumer, adding to inflation?
One big issue was the possibility of a recession. Instead, the BOE devalued the currency. Currency devaluation is typically up to stimulate the economy and yet despite the devaluation we barely escaped a recession. UBS did the maths and we would have had that promised recession except that we sold the family silver. It is the equivalent of selling the car to ensure we have the same monthly cash in our pockets as we had before. We can't keep on doing that.
Short-term gain versus long-term growth. Some jobs got a boost whereas many businesses went bust, bankrupt or under post-Brexit. It all depends on the side of the equation you are in. You placed the zeros to the right. Well done. Fishermen and farmers voted for their own demise, like turkeys voting for Christmas. However, bear in mind the UK has one of the lowest pension schemes, overwhelmed health services and no chance to spend your retirement age in the sunny south of Europe (Spain, Greece, Malta, ltaly, France, etc)
@@stephenconway2468 i think BoE should devalue the pound even more to increase the exports. Avoid a recession whatever it takes. Also would increase tourism incoming.
Deregulation is the Financial Service industry's itch. The chemical industry has spent hundreds of millions aligning with EU standards, so they would rather not diverge from standards that are the norm increasingly in countries that still care about health & safety, and environmental protections. You get the feeling that not only are these moves to clear the books of EU regulations driven by ideology, rather economic sense.
Who said “the UK should stand alone, if necessary, for European freedom, adding: "We are taunted-by the French, by the Italians, by the Spaniards-for refusing to worship at the shrine of a common government superimposed upon them all.... where were the European unity merchants in 1940? I will tell you. They were either writhing under a hideous oppression or they were aiding and abetting that oppression. Lucky for Europe that Britain was alone in 1940”......Enoch Powell
I'll keep sharing this until it actually finds someone with the right connections and knowledge to do something about it: There is a clause in Article 50 of the EU treaty that makes it a condition of withdrawal that 'all constitutional requirements' are met. It would be very easy to make a case for the triggering of A50 being unconstitutional. The legal groundwork was created in several court cases leading up to the end of 2019. All that was lacking was the political clout to facilitate it because our rogue Tory government held all the cards. All it requires is a non-Tory, non-Brexit orientated government to present the case to the ECJ that the previous government illegally manipulated the 2016 referendum and, because they were in power, hijacked the result they had conned out of the electorate and used it to illegally withdraw the UK from the EU. The parliamentary situation that occurred around the ratification of the Notification of Withdrawal Bill provides a perfect case for this, in that the government told Parliament hours after a Supreme Court Judge had ruled that the referendum outcome could not mandate triggering A50, that the MPs present would merely be voting to enact that non-existent mandate. This is a breach of the UK constitution. Pursuing this course would mean that any decision would rest with the ECJ as sole arbiter for disputes over the EU treaties. The EU assembly itself would have to accept any ECJ ruling, meaning that if we were successful in our appeal we would be fully reinstated as a member and there should be no change to our previous member status. The ECJ may levy some requirements upon us, such as the prosecution of those responsible (hooray!) and possibly our solemn undertaking to revise our outdated political system so that a small group of well-heeled con artists would not be able to perpetrate a similar crime, but I believe that this is a viable course of action. All that it requires is a leadership brave enough to actually shake up the status quo and end the practice of turning a blind eye to the crimes of previous administrations.
Interesting... I'm not qualified to judge the legal argument here, but there's no political will to have UK back in EU anytime soon, at least during this century. UK out means that EU can really start moving as a political union project, not only economic union; and we are doing it right now ! Furthermore, brexit was an overall disaster but... "overall" is the keyword here. Lots of EU activities that were less competitive than the UK ones does get a boost, some UK companies are moving activities in EU. You just have to witness the progress of Ireland to see my point. As @uweinhamburg says: "Out means Out", for real.
@@pmoohkt That's why I'm pushing this solution. Brexit was an act of economic violence inflicted on the people of Britain by a ruthless, over-privileged minority, who used their wealth and influence over our media (the only source of information that many of us have) to bulldoze through a massive constitutional change. The ECJ is the only body that can arbitrate this and the EU is subject to the legal oversight of the ECJ. I'm not a lawyer, but I am connected with groups who can raise the profile of this once the BrexiCons are out of the picture.
We do NOT regret Brexit; but we're evermore sick of the lying traitors in parliament who are determinedly refusing to actually get out of the Brussels bureaucracy. Just one example ? Remaining obedient to every petty dictate of the European Justice Dep't even though we've supposedly left the EU seven years ago ?
The UK will not get a better deal with the EU until the Tories are out. The EU was treated and spoken about very poorly by the Tory leadership starting with Cameron initiating the Brexit vote, so they enjoyed watching the UK eat humble pie. Sunak has improved conditions marginally because he is far more serious, pleasant and polite than BoJo the clown. Hopefully Keir Starmer is elected so that you can get a fresh start with improved terms. A positive renegotiated arrangement will in turn cement the New Labour leadership.
Only in the delusional fantasist tiny minds of the rejoin rabble is their regret of any kind.For the rest of us who bothered to turn up to vote,we would double down on our extremely informed opinion formed in 1992 and well and truly cemented in 2016.
the liberal party was decimated because the were pro eu the massive turn out in the election remain mps 91 percent sacked voted out lost .the media we will vote to go back in wrong tory landslide ;the polls labour to win tory win big time ,we will never go back now ..
the pollsters and their demographic bitterly regret Brexit, the British? I don't personally know anyone who regrets voting for it, and if anyone has changed their opinion is the remainers in my circle who actually think the vote needs to be respected and the whining must end, whether they like the outcome or not
It might sound a bit cold but even if hypothetically the UK decides to rejoin one day, I hope our politicians dont take such bid seriously. Assuming that Brexit is the calamity waiting to happen over time, it better go nasty first rather than at a time when half the country not knowing what to blame their problems on and be the special snowflake member that needs half a dozen exceptions to not sulk every few years.
@@hugogrilo9742 First, level up the border checks and start negotiating with Dublin (because Ireland decided to remain outside *_together_* with GB/UK). Once London and Dublin agree, it's time to approach the EU Commission (or, possibly, a number of potentially sympathetic EU-members). It might turn out that some or another EU-country distrusts the UK too much. But it could be worth a try.
Even if it were possible for the UK to join the EU in 10-20 years time, you fail to address the elephant in the room and that is what will the UK consist of in the future, possibly just England and Wales or maybe just England? The Tories will be back in power (people have short memories) and there will be a new monarch (the last?) on the throne.
Being part of a European super state genuinely horrifies a huge percentage of the British population at a deeply emotional level It is what it is - British people have a fierce independence streak within them which, for better or worse, will impact its politics
That's simply bullshit. Norwegians are fiercely independent, and are part of the single market. Fins have literally fought and beaten the Soviet Union on their own, just to remain independent, and they are part of the EU. The British population has been poorly served by its politicians and press for decades, that's all.
@@lacdirk Norway's not a very good example is it? Neither is Finland really seeing as they share a border with Russia But you're right in general, many countries have no problem being a member of an EU super state, giving up their currencies, and ever closer political union They don't mind having an EU flag, anthem etc... either But many millions of Brits are horrified by these ideas Churchill was a big fan of the creation of the EU, especially as a bulwark against the USSR But he never wanted Britain to be part of it - and as you saw, even when inside Britain wanted nothing more than to trade, not all the political union That's why Gordon Brown tried to sign the Lisbon Treaty away from the cameras - he new it was a vote loser For better or worse, that's how many millions of Brits feel, they don't want to be part of the European 'project' I see similarities with when the US declared independence - which is unsurprising given the origins and 'cultural myth' of the people involved
@@yingyang1008 Norway is a perfect example of a very independent-minded people that understands that it makes perfect sense to be a rule taker to be in the single market. Finland is also famously independent-minded and proudly sovereign, but has no issue being a member. Most EU members are proudly independent people with long histories that understand why nations cooperate. I don't get the obsession with the EU flag and anthem. The UN has both a flag and an anthem, as does NATO. Why on earth would stuff like that trigger you? Before the referendum, the EU was a non-issue for British voters. It was made an issue by a relentlessly mendacious campaign. US independence like Brexit? You must be kidding. The UK has lost control over its fate by leaving the EU. It may have gained theoretical sovereignty, but it lost actual sovereignty. It's pretty much the opposite of the US independence war. (Also, unlike the British Empire, the EU didn't put up a fight, but accepted the decision and moved on ... unlike most British)
@@yingyang1008 What about many millions of Brits that want to be part of "EU super state" as you call it? Half of the country didn't want to throw the future of their children down the sewer, but were dragged off the cliff by the people like you, whose blind nationalistic exceptionalism didn't need any actual facts and thinking rooted in reality. EU should have listened to De Gaulle. He warned against UK joining EU and he was 100% right.
ruclips.net/video/NmRr0zQ21Rs/видео.html The UK can not join the EU customs union, because the EU customs union is the EU itself. The UK can negotiate a customs union with the EU, like Turkey has done. Call that the Turkey solution. The EU single market has nothing to do with a customs union. That should be clear from Norway's membership of the single market, while not being in a customs union with the EU. Norway has rejected the UK's overtures to join the EFTA in 2016 and 2017. Even now its business groups are clear that they think that UK membership of EFTA would be bad for Norway. If the UK seeks to rejoin the single market, it will have to convince the EU to create a different mechanism than the EFTA/EEA.
The UK had unfair advantages with their half-join EU. It’s good that they left finally and if want to join they would do it normally as every other country. I don’t see UK any different any better or any way superior comparing to Poland, sorry British people you have to admit it is not imperial time anymore, you have to compete and play it fair.
Brexit was irrevocable, there is the regret that the lack of a hard border at N.I. causes problem that needs to be resolved. The substitute trade the Brexiteers hoped for with the world has to materialise, and prove beneficial. Britain must do trade deals with the United States, India and other Commonwealth countries.
@@markbriten6999 Britain should restart the momentum to do a Best Friend trade deal with U.S. and with Commonwealth countries. I believe Britain can be very good friend with India, hopefully Mr Sunak can
I gave up @ 0:50 when the phrase "no political party wants it" was used. I think you will find that the SNP - the 3rd largest party in the UK parliament wants it. But hey! What does Scotland matter. If you are going to produce videos like this then at least have the good grace to do some proper research and remember that the UK is not England.
The things you think of make it not possible for the UK to join the EU ever. It's going to make the UK like Taiwan is to China. I would say fix the UK(not only economical but mostly political) first and then start thinking togheter where you want to be in the world(maybe thats not in the EU). Anyway it seems like a negative reaction but i promise it's not. I love the UK and i hope this year Scotland wins the six nations trophy. From tragedy to triumph seems to be a good motto for a lot of current affairs all over the world.
Winning a game wont make up for losing so much. Our children and grandchildren will look back and curse the brexidiots who closed them off from freedom of movement all over the EU.
I think that Scotland will win the 6 nations on the year of independance, this year seems unlikely, seeing how Ireland dominates Wales and France is still the other serious contender. I love watching Scotland, they show genius at times, but the ressource in top noch players for a full bench is not there.
@@jean-pascalesparceil9008 Yeah, the first 25 minutes was brutal. I hope France and Ireland wear eachother out so that Scotland gets enough margin to hold on a small lead than.
I'm sorry, but you've got the same choice now as you can mwill later. The EU isn't going anywhere yet, so we have to come to terms with it. And rejoining isn't the only option. I would be surprised if that was the first option. This is about economic reality. A country that is reliant on imports and has only one major industry is a beggar in economic terms. Unless what you have cannot be duplicated elsewhere you are in danger of being hoist on your own petard when someone comes along and takes it over. The idea that the UK should rely on financial services to drive its economy was a short sighted one. It's like going back to the 16th century where Britain had one agricultural export - wool. That was it, until other fabrics came along and wrecked that trade. You need a mixture of top tier industries, and we're not even anywhere close to establishing an alternative. And our Financial Services industry just lost the ability to sell financial services inside the EU. They got hoist with their own petard, because the wholesale market for the Euro is now running inside the EU, and London can't compete directly. Big mistake. Millions of pounds of sales gone from London. The only thing left is the UK, and our the economy is shrinking by 4% a year - twice as fast as the rest of the world... We need to have a functional relationship with the EU until we can sort out our dysfunctional economy. Perhaps you need to go to economicshelp.org, and read the analyses there. We've been a frog sitting in a pot of water over a low flame for a long time, and instead of getting off the stove altogether, we've jumped into the frying pan. Reality has no malice, and it is what it is, but where we are Reality will have no mercy either, unless we can trade freely. We can't as we are. And it's haemorrhaging money that could help our NHS and feed hungry kids right now.
@@tijnjansen7609 Congratulations! 3rd time Calcuta Cup! Splendid match, DvdM's 1st try is probably going to be Try of the Year. Lots of individual feats but Ireland demonstrated mastery, a perfect machine.
I think you're more different than a new deal will delay restored membership by a decade longer than it otherwise would be but won't be the end of it for the very demographic reasons you're talking about. 10 years from now I expect Scotland and Northern Ireland to be in the European economic area and the rest of the UK in the customs Union. 20 years from now I expect Scotland and Northern Ireland should be working on Canada for the EU wow the rest of the UK is entering the European economic eria. There then will be a race between Scotland and Northern Ireland getting their separate membership and the development on Au K candidate status This will be occurring in about 30 years. In about 40 years the UK will come to terms with how much they lost of their previous car votes and be a candidate closing in on membership.
Simple calculations factor..BREXIT makes life difficult for most Brits than the EU's 28 becoming 30 countries. UK will sell less to EU now than before. EU is the preferred market than UK globally. The House of Commons should consider sacking Boris Johnson for rushing BREXIT. It's all about pride & prejudice.
no mate the world is greed so uk offer quicker cheeper better goods people will want them pile it high sell it cheep ,,the eu slow cumbersome expensive old model out of date ,
Let's be honest people here voted for Brexit because they didn't want more asylum seekers coming here and because we have no bonds whatsoever with the rest of Europe. I don't know anyone personally who has changed their mind but the ones who have from what I've read have only regretted it because the asylum situation isn't much better.
migrants were part of the argument not asylum seekers as 99 percent were money tourist ,free movement was surfdom low low paid eu migrants treated like crap by countries wanting cheep very cheep labour that did two things 1 wage stagnation for us ordinary folk low waged economy 2,migrants were treated as slave labour for very hard work..so as leave said we are low paid ,,,the strikes now bare this out and we treat eu workers like skivis .who benifits the ordinary folk low wages high house prices so NO benefits ///the migrants low very low wages living 10 to a flat do they benefit NO// so who does the wealthy and rich who the ,,eu has made mega rich... wealth beyond dreams but at who,s expense ours ordinary people out and stay out ,,
More on the costs of Brexit. ruclips.net/video/wQEPfbCcp_g/видео.html
As an EU citizen, I can assure you that I have never heard anyone here who wants the UK to rejoin. The British have done everything for 50 years to make the EU inefficient and since they left, everything is much simpler between us.
The EU cleared them out and is now 1GB lighter
Can you explain how the UK held back the EU, because a lot of people here love to say that without any firm evidence. Ironically just like the people who voted Brexit
yes your doing great now spanish police beat old ladies in basque region eu,,uh did not see that,,,,,macrons french riots every other week no see nothing,,and german pensioners begging no never seen it,,,,you have ,,eu blindness ,its all er money and um money and of course money you eu are obsessed with money that all goes to the wealthy and rich you do not get it ,and the ,,eu free movement of cheep labour to help the wealthy and rich ,but not you the ordinary people no,, you get eu blindness,,wow,,
@Wilhelm Eley Interesting, and I learnt something new, but I wouldn't argue anything there shows how the UK held the EU back.
Now with all this brexit bollocks the eu will have a field day if britain were to be able to rejoin, they made us pay when we were in so what will they do if we rejoined,(though I can’t see it) how much will we being paying those enelected greedy European meps and still be under eu laws and rules, the mind boggles
Brexit has turned the UK from a rule maker in the EU to a rule taker from the EU whether Quitterlings like that or not. If they don't know why, they might look up "The Brussels effect" which explains why businesses around the world, be they in the US, Canada, China, Australia, Africa or South America adhere to EU rules and regulations since they want to sell things to the EU and therefore need a CE mark. So do British businesses and if the UK wants to diverge more from EU rules, it will get even harder for UK businesses to sell their goods into the EU.
@@camucamu6202 And that is even coming from a much lower GDP than possible. The UK's economy is now 70% of Germany's while it was 90% and Germany was much more dependant on Russian energy than the UK, so it did not leap ahead that much.
The Problem Was People Voted For A Thousands Little Personal Reasons For Brexit..... That's How People Were Manipulated By The Media.... Becoming A 3rd Party In Your Biggest Market Was Always Madness Are Children and Grandchildren Will Pay The Price !
A rule maker IN are you totally ignorant?
UK to shrink in 2023. IMF Global outlook. Only Country in g7 to contract, worse than Russia 😢
@@camucamu6202 The pound is loosing valu against the EUR, the AUD, the CAD and the Yen since 2015 against the US$ since 2008 and against the Yuan since 2007. It used to fluctuate before those dates but it only knows one direction since Brexit.
It is not the EU that has to agree standards with the UK. The UK must comply with EU standards. No negotiation on this point which is a ridiculous ploy.
so heads they win tails they win whack up import tax germany will stop that..
Not being in it who has to agree
As en EU citizen, I was sorry when UK decided to leave, but watching the brexit slowly evolving misery, I am enjoynig the new atmosphere in our countries where no one speaks about leaving EU any more. My country - Czechia used to be very euroskeptic before brexit, but it is not seen as viable option any more. It makes me feel safer.
I now hope Europe will eventually form into something greater. What Europe 🇪🇺 needs to do now is reform, come together and hatch out a new form of a pseudo government where the peoples of Europe can elect EU officials directly. You could use the US government system as a sorta blue print (a starter) of what you guys want for the EU. Again not a final version but a start to go through to see what Europe likes and what it doesn't like. And put something new in its place.
How refreshing, starting from the fact that "in the short term, rejoining the EU is off the table".
Most posts postulate some magical reset where we wake up and find ourselves back at the day before we left, and we sail serenely on.
Even with goodwill on both sides, rejoining will not simply "happen".
Negotiations will take years as we will not simply rejoin under our previous conditions.
Trust by the EU of GB (possibly not the original GB) will be in short supply.
The steepest hill to climb might be that there is no great advantage or benefit to be gained by the EU.
GB needs realise the EU do NOT need us more than we need them. They do not need us at all.
That's not the only option, thank goodness.
@@BigHenFor Due to our geographical location, only two single markets and customs unions are an option: the EU or the EAEU. Joining others (like MercoSur or ECOWAS) is simply not very useful due to the distance.
Regional trade groups that are not single markets or customs unions are - in addition to being far away - not a big improvement over WTO trade, unlike single markets and customs unions.
If you're thinking of the Japan-led CP-TPP, for instance, it would barely improve anything over the existing FTAs. Many of its members are also in other groups, such as ASEAN, RCEP or USMCA.
I agree the EU does not the UK more than the UK needs it but, you@re wrong to suggest that the EU would gain nothing for it, having the UK back in the EU would also benefit the EU, both sides would mutually gain from this, that was the point of the EU.
@@georgiewalker5826 i would re write that ..
@@lacdirk someone else who has never heard of long distance transport how cheap it is and how it works.
Norway vetoed having discussions about UK joining EFTA. That's not an option. Also, Norway have to accept the four freedoms, which the UK would also have to accept. So that isn't an option for now or the future.
You can stay up to 3 months, or 6 months in any EU country if you are looking for a job and eventually if it, as the local authorities ask you for proof of funds (bank account) as soon as you arrive in any EU country.
You're conflating EFTA with the EEA. They're two different options.
@@caballoloco100 yes, that's how EU freedom of movement has always worked.....
@@BigHenFor kind of. You can't join either one without having permission though and nobody wants to give the UK permissvone, soooooo
What should Britain do about Brexit? Build a time machine.
go back to the common market every one would ...the german/ french do as your told club no thanks ,,
@@stephenisom6089
You still dont know how the Eu works?
Make it work if that's even possible.
A time machine to go to the future.
No send EU citizens home
This is really good information. I wish this information was put on the BBC, ITV, C4 & C5. Keep up with the great work. 👍👍👍👍👍!
Thank you! Will do!
You have to follow EU rules and standards if you want to sell there anything. Ask Switzerland.
So no point in leaving then
You'll be making your own same rules as the EU. Sovereignty
@camu camu The imports were stocking up on gas, some of which would be sold back again at inflated prices
@@saymyname3097 eu has no sovereignty .its a club .governed by the unknown and preached out by over paid powerless m e ps,,
Heck ask the mighty Apple Inc. required to use USB-C on their devices if they want to be allowed to be sold in the EU.
I bloody love it when my tax euros are being spent to protect my consumer rights like this! I had about enough of Apple's stupid anti-consumer antics
The rest of the world doesn’t care
nothing to care about all will work out even post wars work out ,stop thinking only money that all goes to the wealthy and rich not us..
Just like the world doesn’t care about gun crime in the US 🤷🏻♂️
If Labour win the next election they will slowly realign. It will be in their second parliament that they will be more ambitious. Perhaps in a decade the UK will rejoin the customs union and a further 10 years the single market. In effect the UK will have wasted more than a quarter of a century just to get back to a position still worse than it was in back in 2016. Brexit is a monumental waste of time and money. And completely unnecessary. The young will demand change and they will want their freedom of movement back.
FREE movement really
What you are saying about UK rejoining in x amount of years is called making a skewer while the rabbit is still in the woods. Somehow every Brit talking about rejoining EU keeps forgetting it's not up to the UK any more. There will be 27 members, possibly even 30+ when the time for UK's application comes, to decide whether they want UK back or not. And I am not sure all EU countries are keen on welcoming UK back. There was a lot of vitriol, hostility and unreasonable behavior on the UK side towards EU, as if they were in a dungeon for 50 years.
I agree. Some good points there. A big stepping stone in the right direction would be not only stop but also reverse the rollback of EU rules, i.e. to adopt dynamic alignment. According to a report this morning in Tagesspiegel, the UK has already dropped out of Germany's top 10 list for exports, businesses citing difficulties with staff secondment and reduced investment by UK-based manufacturers, particularly carmakers. Prior to leaving the EU two years ago, the UK was ranked 5th, and Brexit is the reason. A Brexiter might say, well that's a good thing, isn't it? Well, no. A lot of these businesses reimported value-added goods back into the EU, creating jobs and wealth. Any rollback of EU conformity rules by the government would kill future export prospects, with no free trade agreement with the US ever likely to materialise.
Dynamic alignment means no flexibility, no freedom, forever ailing economy like the EU's.
to late labour to now says no going back so that is it were out for good..
Elon Musk is moving his car making from Germany to Suffolk
Very unlikely considering the rabid ERG. This is some democracy!
@@johnpugh3348 My brother lives there. He hates electric cars.
It's a long road back . The kids will see it through though. Educate them on what they have lost and how simple it is to get back in . 💞
The question is whats in it for EU?
1) Having a power European nation aligned with it
2) Growing the EU so it is the biggest market in the world again
3) Having the UK pay membership to the EU
4) Showing that Brexit does not work
trade //
@@georgiewalker5826 is that a wish list and where do we ordinary folks fit in this low pay again high house prices ,only the wealthy gain..no thanks we done that ..
@@georgiewalker5826 every EU member in debt🤔
@@georgiewalker5826 Does Britain want to align with the EU or use its power nation status to go its own way instead, in accordance with its Brexit vote? Britain did not willingly align before Brexit either, but bemoaned the loss of its sovereignty and objected to ECJ rulings. The EU is already growing, there are several new countries in the pipeline for membership. Being the biggest market, is not an EU aim, it will get bigger with new members automatically. UK's rebated membership fee, grudgingly paid, is not much of an incentive. Remember how much the UK got back for its membership? Estimated at about ten times its membership fee, now a direct benefit to other EU countries. The EU does not need to show that Brexit does not work, I think the UK is showing that all too clearly.
Very informative, thank you very much sir.
Very realistic approach on opportunities for the UK to improve the relationship between the EU and the UK. Thanks.
that will only hapen when the E U stops treting us in the U K like shit
@@markmerry1471 You wanted out, you are now a third country. It is not shit, but third country reality. When Britain was in, actually Britain insisted on so many of these third country rules, that now Britain is experiencing. Because at that time, Britain wanted to treat other third countries 'like shit' (to use your own words). What goes around, comes around.
@@MrsGardiner yes it is and you bloody well knew it is.
And if I had my way the narsies will still be running the E u
I love myself a tall glass of sovereign tears with my bregret burger
Who's crying a EU citizen
@@jim52313 LMAO 🤣🤣🤣🤣 you're delusional
@@PutsOnSneakers they should be unless on a dinghy they have to stay home fruit picking 🤣
@@PutsOnSneakers under free movement list every EU member and who moved where if the UK wasn't number 1 let me know different 🤡
Why would you want to opt out of the Euro or Schengen in the first place? Those are two of the best things about the EU!
UK outside EU is a insignificant country, just look how strong is getting China, India, Russia, USA and others. Integrated in EU is the only way that UK could be a relevant country.
5th largest economy in the world, permanent UN security member, best armed forces in Europe, nuclear weapons, and set to have the largest population in Europe within 20 years
Plus the faithful lapdog of the US superpower
This works both ways, after all it's the members which make it strong.
@@pureplay7071 And new EU members are already waiting to be fully admitted and working towards fulfilling the membership criteria. The EU is getting stronger. In the UK on the other hand, NI and Scotland are striving for independence from England. Even in Wales people are getting more disgruntled.
As others from other member states have said, in Spain too, the sentiment towards the UK is one of we don't want you back. Have not met a single person which openly talks about wanting the UK back. I would though, in a heartbeat. Unfortunately, this will be a long winding mess, specially for the UK. Feel sorry for the people.
Don't mention Gibraltar ...
Thanks for another great video! I'm keen to hear your thought's on the Labour Party's plan for economic growth.
thank you Norway👍
If UK wants to negotiate any of these things with EU, they would need to elect a prime minister that has as an election promise to improve things with EU. Because the endless political chaos makes any negotiations pointless. Many still remember Theresa May, who indeed wanted to have her cake and eat it too
@camu camu UK was a larger economy then Fance and Germany even when was part of the EU
@camu camu You picked one stat without context. Sorry in this chain the people commenting know that trick and they know the context. The question is do you? If so, why try put forward something which is misleading?
@camu camu you're part of the problem.
@camu camu The stats you gave are not even correct. Where did you get them?
I thought bojo specifically promised that we WOULD have our cake AND eat it as well?
LETMEIN next.
These options were available during the negotiations. Britain already has chosen from these options, and both Britain and EU have negotiated a deal, signed and ratified it. These EU sets of rules are therefore no longer options that are open to Britain. Britain can not insist on any of these any longer, having refused better relationship options at the time of the negotiations. To talk about options now, as if Britain can at this point in time decide and choose which to have, is presumptive. Now it is only the EU and EU countries who choose what Britain can have with regards to EU relationship. Britain can ask, but not insist or make anything happen without EU agreement. In fact, Sefcovic has made it perfectly clear that the review of the TCA is not an opportunity to renegotiate it, but simply a technical review on the functioning of what has been negotiated, signed and ratified.
Where did you get the map showing all countries in Europe bar the UK being in the EU?
I got stock map of Europe and then coloured myself
The real reason why things have not gone well is that the exit illustrated why it was done in the first place. The UK establishment and leadership were not fit for purpose and were unable to do their jobs. These grifters just outsourced their responsibly to the EU. That was an totally unacceptable state of affairs, and the UK simply must sort itself out. This needs root and branch reform of the pollical class, the abolition of both pollical parties and reformed parliament and governance. And, frankly for the electorate to grow up and take responsibility themselves as citizens of the country. Then, when this is done to get back to Mrs. Thatcher's statecraft.
Brexit is a reality. Originally 'oven ready' and subsequently pronounced 'done' it has been served raw and indigestible. Your question is what to do, ... I suggest the UK needs to clarify, and simplify where possible, its terms of trade with the EU. The current distaste for current terms of trade, and uncertainty regarding future terms of trade, is endangering the UK auto sector which needs huge investment to make electric vehicles. The UK does not have the luxury to spend the next years ruminating on its identity or collective dreams where auto manufacturers need clarity & certainty now. Again, thank you for your work.
Why should the UK not define itself as having brexited, and not in terms of relationship with EU. Why not define itself as a country with a clear path to its confident, unique and independent end goals. The EU has moved on without still hankering after a Britain that has left, why can't the UK do the same? Or alternatively acknowledge Leaving as a mistake, strive to return to full membership and ardently work towards rejoin, starting with Article 49. I believe these are the only long term options, full independence and going a separate way or committed rejoin.
What should they do?
sort out all the issues holding back this island in a long gone century.
Griasdi Giasinga! I wrote a more elaborate response above. Utterly clueless, ces rosbifs.
I wrote this a few years ago - IM ENGLISH - England deserves to be alone, forsaken by the other parts of the union. Alone in its pathetic racist future in the 1950's or whenever it is they fantasise about, ruled over by posh toffs from Eton in the way that makes them feel secure and that all is well with the world. Slaving 20 hours a day down the Bitcoin Mine if they are lucky and thanking the Indian mine owner for the privilege...
England has NEVER gotten over the loss of the empire, it seeps through our veins, only lanced by emigration and not to an enclave of Little England in Spain. It is utterly tragic to observe from afar. The desperation to still feel part of something special is as obvious to outsiders as a fresh dog sh!t in your living room, and about as appealing... Its a desperation so strong they voted for Brexit - economic doom but the chance to feel like the big boy again for a few fleeting moments before they die.
Like a drug addict committing suicide with a known overdose, unable to face the reality of the world they inhabit - but determined to go out on one last high…
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The problem is - we are now faced wiht the fact that we are still alive, just, but now we have multiple organ failure and insted of going out in a blaze of glory, we are going to fade away over years in the corner of a hospital ward staffed by agency nurses doing 18 hour shifts...
Hello from The Netherlands. You seriously need a new group of politicians! I know, if the UK admits you made a wrong decision, we will welcome you back faster than you might think. Sure, Italy, France and perhaps Germany might want something out of it, but countries like The Netherlands and many others can pressure them. That's one of the perks of being in the EU. You are our friends! Please get to your sences and rejoin us. You are very welcome. And: you will have an important voice again in the EU, jour economy will become better, etc.
Good luck with the 3,000 farm closures
The world is corrupt and ruled by the Illuminati, or are you too blind to realise. so none of what you say makes any difference 😭
I love when random RUclips viewers speak on behalf of not only their country, but on behalf of all of the EU. Shows that childish way of thinking.
Again a total misrepresentation of Norway Iceland and Liechtenstein, the EFTA States, as being mere rule-takers under the EEA agreement.
While the EEA agreement requires its members to adopt and implement the majority of EU single market legislation, the EEA also provides for decision-making processes and institutional structures that allow for the participation of EEA member states in shaping that legislation.
Norway, Iceland, and Liechtenstein can participate in the development of EU legislation through various committees and expert groups, and can provide input and express their views on proposed legislation.
While the EEA agreement requires its members to adopt and implement the majority of EU single market legislation, and deviations from this requirement are not permitted, if an EFTA state has concerns about a particular piece of single market legislation, it can raise those concerns through the EEA Joint Committee and other relevant bodies. The Joint Committee provides a forum for the EU and EEA member states to discuss and resolve any issues related to the implementation of the EEA agreement.
EFTA members can request carve-outs or derogations from certain single market rules in limited circumstances. Under the European Economic Area (EEA) agreement, EEA members are required to adopt and implement the majority of EU single market legislation. However, the EEA agreement provides for certain flexibility in the form of "protocols" that allow EEA members to opt out of certain areas of single market legislation or to apply different rules in certain circumstances.
For example, Protocol 15 to the EEA agreement allows Liechtenstein to apply different rules in the area of agriculture and fishery, while Protocol 23 allows Norway to opt out of certain rules related to the free movement of capital.
Furthermore, the EFTA Court is the highest judicial authority in matters of interpretation and application of the European Economic Area (EEA) agreement, which governs the participation of the EFTA states (Norway, Iceland, and Liechtenstein) in the EU single market, not the European Court of Justice.
While the EFTA Court is not bound by the precedents set by the ECJ, it is required to ensure the uniform interpretation and application of EEA law, which includes a significant amount of EU law. As such, the EFTA Court often looks to the ECJ for guidance in the interpretation of EU law, and the ECJ's decisions are considered highly persuasive.
Even the supposedly most informed members of the UK commentariat and the political class are all at sea when it comes to explain above the reading level of a 10 years anything to do with the EU or the EEA.
The thing English people still dont understand is that the EU has no interest in changing the current deal and it has no time for anyway. The UK must get on with the deal and get it Brexit done and stop crying for help to Mother EU.
You're not very helpful, talking nonsense and gibberish. No facts, no arguments, only German schadenfreude and hybris. I'm German myself.
@@wWvwvVNun, dann lesen Sie doch einfach meinen Kommentar, der reisst die 3 wichtigsten Punkte kurz an. Dann haben Sie Fakten.
we never ask for help from the eussr,,never,
@@stephenisom6089 You could ask the EUSSR for funding you some private lessons for improving your grammar, spelling, punctuation, English. They'll gladly help.
Ive been searching for videos touting the benefits of brexit. I am not seeing any recent video that arent sarcastic in what they say are benefits.
If the *Retained EU Law (Revocation and Reform) Bill* gets passed and becomes a fully-fledged Act of Parliament, this will put a massive spanner in the works for those of us who want to see the UK coming into closer allignment with the EU.
And should this Parliamentary Bill be passed into law, then not only will workers' rights, environmental protections, food safety standards and health and safety regulations be thrown into the dustbin, but it will make trading with other nationts both within and outside the EU far, far harder than it already is.
The consequences of this Bill coming into law will devastate the UK economy, making Truss and Kwarteng's 'Mini-Budget' seem like a storm in a very small teacup.
Just when you thought things couldn't get any worse with a Hard Tory Brexit, and 12 years of unnecessary austerity measures, giving rise to the worst cost of living crisis since the Napoleonic Wars, then along comes this bill.
Welcome to *Disaster Capitalism UK* - the longest 'Smash and Grab' raid on the UK economy in history, where billionaires massively increase their already vast fortunes, and inequality has grown to the point of both unsustainability and absurdity, whilse ordinary people are struggling just to survive, and going hungry and cold whilst in full-time work, often as professional people.
I agree so many say we'll have are own standards. Given the reputation the UK has no for double dealing would you recognise UK standards?
WHY your implying like many on this site the ,,eu hold all the cards and bully any and all ,thank god we are out..
@@markbriten6999 The point here is that the rules and regulations which would be dispensed with if the Retained EU Law (Rovocation and Reform) Bill is passed into law are largely concerning the following:
* Worker's Rights and Protections
* The right to 2 weeks paid holiday
* The right for sickness pay
* Environmental protection
* Food Safety Rules
Etc.
I don't think getting rid of such laws will prove very popular with the electorate, do you?
@@stephenisom6089 I wasn't implying that that the EU want to 'bully' the UK. But yes, the EU do indeed hold all the cards - as a trading bolc, the EU is the most powerful economic force in the world. And I certainly do NOT thank God the UK is out of the EU - Brexit has proven to be a disaster from the outset.
What is the point of Brexit if we keep the same rules? It would be a Brexit in name only.
"Britain regrets Brexit". But you didn't ask me......
The UK can't join the EUCU, that's for members only! It can however try to get a CU like Turkey!
The best option is clearly unavailable. In my view the next best option would be for Scotland, and any other enlightened parts of the former UK to leave the British union and each re-apply to the EU on their own terms, if that is their desire, leaving the remnants of the former UK as a very likely failing state.
I suspect that the English may then eventually get picked up by either a US, Canada or Australian rescue bailout, leaving them as effectively a very minor and decidedly junior, offshore reverse-colony. A rather suitably ignominious end for a once great race that, since the fallen days of empire, has been sadly all to often arrogantly deluded about their place in the world.
Do I sound a bit mis-anglo-ist? Yes possibly I do, but then I don't really hold any hostility for the English, even if many with strong Celtic heritage do have historical reasons to resent those who, so long ago, quietly co-opted their former nations and culture into the UK, without all that much of a by your leave. Just ask the Cornish! In the final analysis nothing in nation-hood lasts for ever. Even the mighty Roman Empire eventually fell and broke apart, but it wasn't the end of the world, just that start of a new chapter.
Peter Zeihan has suggested the UK may eventually apply for U.S. statehood.
become traitors you mean well ,no were british are you,
@@owenh.2265 US doesn't want to give statehood to their own political center, Washington DC. Nor to Puerto Rico and other US overseas territories. Why would they give statehood to England? Because Scotland and Northern Ireland wouldn't go with it for sure. They want to be part of the EU, not US vasal states.
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@@drazen1972cro Peter Zeihan says the EU would never accept Scotland: ruclips.net/video/VCwrbv-_PNo/видео.html
The EU and GB can benefit substantially from each other, but UK government has to change for that. UK doesn't even have to rejoin to enable benefits for both sides. Though any step in this direction would be good to see.
Superb and informative, again. Thanks.
I have difficulties with figures like U.K. median growth.
Firstly so many wages have been pinned down for so long.
And, so much goes to the very wealthy. The bottom quartile are probably getting a couple of extra peanuts.
the eu model free cheep movement of people,, to help the wealthy get cheep labour this caused wages to stagnate and house prices to sore out of control ,the ,,eu and wealthy business got richer treating migrants as surfs ,we should be ashamed ,remoaners think its good to treat migrants like surfs,,and they really think their the good guys .we stay out..
A Swiss deal cannot happen. Even if the EU would consider it, which will not happen, it would take more than a decade. EFTA is unlikely as it would thoroughly destabilise the current members. A separate EFTA style EEA agreement could happen, if only the UK could convince as a trustworthy partner.
Norway has its own parallel court of justice in Luxembourg (a short walk from the EU Court of Justice) providing a semblance of independence. It is a costly expedient, but Norway with Liechtenstein and Iceland can afford it. The UK could do something similar, however finding a suitable building in Luxembourg would be very expensive.
Whilst the Norwegians are not so unhappy with a backseat role, UK politicians are more likely to moan about exclusion from the decision making assemblies.
Many discuss the prospects of Scotland joining the EU, however more likely is that Northern Ireland will have MEPs before Scotland does.
As a Dutch EU citizen living in the EU and with some experience in politics I see far too much pessimism in Britain concerning rejoining. It is said that by rejoining Britain has to accept the Euro and Schengen. Of course not ! We are not going to push the Euro or Schengen through the throat of anybody. Denmark and Schweden have an official opt out of the Euro and eastern EU countries, which don't have the Euro, don't even have an opt out and still nobody forces them into the Euro. This is not because Eurozone countries are angels but simply because you don't want to take unnecessary risks with an important thing like your currency. Countries which are forced into the Euro will only cause problems an destabilize the Euro. Nobody wants this in the Eurozone, for that the Euro is simply too important.
If Britain wants and opt out from the Euro, Schengen, Erasmus and/of Horizon it will get that I'm sure. The only thing you cannot get an opt out from is the single market and customs union (because that is 85% of what the EU is) and the fundamentals of the EU (you have to be a democracy and respect the state of law).
The rebate you had will be gone though but if Britain negotiates smartly, keeps the atmosphere right, I think it has a good chance for some kind of rebate because there are other countries (like The Netherlands) who have some sort of rebate and if Britain has a good argumentation why it is in a similar situation as these countries it has a good chance of getting some sort of rebate, I'm optimistic about that.
Furthermore, don't fall into the penny wise pound foolish trap: A rebate or not will cost you a few billion pounds more or less but that is nothing compared to the gain of frictionless trade with the EU, here you're talking about tens of billions of extra economic growth over the years.
The question I have though is should Britain rejoin at all ?
Wouldn't it be more natural for Britain to rejoin the economic Europe (Single Market and Customs Union) and to stay out of the political Europe ?
I have always wondered why there was never any real attempt in Britain to reach a national compromise over its relationship with the EU. The harsh Brexiteers took it all and all the rest was left in the dark and was ignored including moderate Brexiteers.
For many Brexiteers "take back control" and immigration were the most important issue why they voted Brexit. For most Remainers the economy. Rejoining the single market and customs union would satisfy the Remainer's main reason for their vote (and meanwhile quite some Brexit voters wouldn't object either) . Not rejoining the EU would mean staying out of the political Europa (Britain would have nothing to do with all the EU laws not concerning the single market) which is something most Brexit voters will like.
Some would argue that returning to the single market would mean returning to the freedom of labour (Britain will get no opt out here) and thus higher immigration levels. But given that the wages in eastern Europe are much higher now and given the bad experiences with Brexit for many EU citizens who lived in the UK (their stories spread to the EU public) there will simply not be high influxes of EU citizens anymore. Furthermore we have seen that Brexit didn't reduce the overall immigration levels partially because Britain simply needs immigrants for its economy so if they don't come from EU countries they'll come from elsewhere. And last but not least, in the time of Britains EU membership Britain could simply send immigrants back who would have come by boat from France (Lisbon treaty), France would have been obliged to take them back. That is now no longer the case leading to the present crisis so that problem could be solved as well.
Some would argue that by rejoining the single market Britain can no longer strike its own trade deals. But that is not true. Germany has big and successfull trade deals with China, the only thing is that they should be within the framework of the Single Market rules but these rules leave enough room for good deals. Furthermore given its size, the EU simply makes better deals than Britain (compare the British deal with New Zealand to the recent EU deal with this very same country). And let's be honest, the world is simply not standing in line for deals with Britain, its internal market is simply too small. You're only counting when you have hundreds of millions of consumers not 67 million ones.
So if I could give Britain an advice: Contemplate a national compromise on your relation with the EU and rejoin the Single Market and Customs Union but stay out of the political Europe so don't rejoin the EU.
Why would we want to rejoin? Due to remainers, we still haven't managed to leave it yet. Perhaps if you had got behind it, we could have sorted it by now instead of trying to put as many obstacles in the way as you can. Yes we are fed up with Brexit debates, as you say. So let's get it done.
Since 1999 the slowest growth rate of any trading block in the world was the E,U, The E,U,R,O will bring about the E,U,s , DOWNFALL .Italy could do it
I feel sorry for people like you.
You should have thought about Northern Ireland issues before voting for brexit. It is not EU who makes the leaving difficult - it is UK who has put itself in this terrible trilema. The brexit showed that the brexiteers did not have any viable plan. Everyone with common sense saw this problem comming.
Let me put the opposite case. Due to Leaver's inertia, nothing has got done to help Britain on a confident new post Brexit path. Leavers were very good at smashing relationships with the EU and at talking the EU down and achieving Brexit, but utterly failed to go their new independent Brexit way with confidence. What new Brexit way? you may well ask. There was never a plan on what to do after Brexit, about the end goal and on how to achieve it. What actually does an independent, post Brexit Britain strive towards? I fail to see a plan or any achievement in that direction. And we are thoroughly fed up with Leavers not actively making their dreams come true and for us all getting to feel those fabled Brexit advantages.
Typically the Union Jack is upside down.
As an EU citizen, how about forming a trade union with the US and Canada? Add Australia and New Zealand to the list as a bonus. Cultural ties would make it easier and it would benefit all parties. And over time, as the EU and US regulations align more and more to ease trade, the differences between the UK and the continent would remain marginal.
The main issues here are the ages of the legislation. EU members have more modern legislation, while the US and UK would benefit from a modernization that learns from lessons the EU learned too, but that is more typical to their situations. The point is that the current EU block and the UK have too many differences to reconcile easily. But a new union in the western sphere would make all sorts of benefitial options be possible. And would not have the emotional baggage.
US said no.
What the UK should do Next.?...LUMP IT since you are SPECIAl you know ?...
Tensions are sought after by British gov. Does not matter what Europe does. Better not to mingle with British. I would like them to join back on the euro and full integration and not only based on economical advantages but social as well.
you mean we get back cheep free movement of people and then treat them like surfs on low low wages and very hard work so our rich and wealthy get mega rich,,, and we get wage stagnation for decades and sky high house prices that help the rich and wealthy get mega rich and we get nothing again ,naaah we leave that to dopey eu ..lovers ,....rich man loves eu..
I certainly don't. 6 weeks after our final brexit deal, which we didn't really leave anyway, covid struck. So, the benefits of brexit have not be fully utilised. Besides, the eu us in a mess. Germany had to borrow €200 billion just to subsidise their winter energy requirements. Inflation and low growth is slso a problem for all Western European countries.
We're too expensive.
I always thought Norway+ was a good option.
Only that Norway+ no longer is an option.
It was, Glen!
I think all Brexit-supporters I knew personally (bar one) counted on some kind of variant of the Norway-alternative. ...although they maybe exaggerated how interested the EU was in UK cherry-picking.
In fact, they seemed quite surprised in the autumn of 2016, when Theresa May went for a Canada-style relationship instead.
@@jmolofsson Brexitters may have counted on that because they were promised it by (part of) the Leave campaign. But it was never realistic. The EFTA did not want the UK to bring its chaos and subversion into its relation with the EU. The EU would also never have allowed the UK into the EEA without dramatically strengthening the EEA structures.
for a holiday yes ,but when you think dynamic rich powerful norway a norway hose.
@k Disagree, it was on the table, Barnier did offer Norway Plus as one option, but it was roundly rejected by Britain as BINO. Now it is no longer on offer.
What should the UK do next? 🙏
Good question. I would say Britain should make up its mind! Either go on a post Brexit uniquely British path for better or worse, with clear objectives and goals. Or alternatively, and my preference, cut its post Brexit losses, be honest about its regrets and issue Article 49 to ask for rejoining the EU.
What Norway has is the absolute minimum.
It is strange that the video distinguishes between free movement of services, labor, capital and goods.
Very strange!
It's probably an unsustainable state with the belligerent tones from London, yes. The UK needs to make up their minds. Should the TCA be kept or not? If it is to be kept, then the UK has to start implementing made agreements.
The main question remains: What would the European Union gain from a customs union?
The world's 5th largest economy and a population which is set to reach 80 million consumers
The UK can’t drop regulations in products and services but it can drop regulations in employment rights that’s what they wanted
What can UK do now? Nothing but accept it was a big mistake . The EU is happy with you outside......
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Get rid of the Tories perhaps?
Sir, what do you think about gold prices? Continue to rise? Because China and Russia central banks increase their reserves.
we do not use gold standard its the dollah fiat cash ..
I wonder what scots think about leaving the UE, as far as I know they wanted to remain in the EU. In any case, my best wishes to british people, I hope they will fix every problem related to economy etc.
How strange as there is no mention of N Ireland here at all, for a start they are doing well as they can still freely trade with the EU which says it all really, and secondly Brexit was never going to work as the consequence of NI was never ever considered in Westminster, everybody in Ireland knew this years ago, so it would seem that the few wealthy and politically influential people that somehow would benefit by Brexit did indeed manage to convince a sizeable proportion of mainly England and Wales that it is a good idea to impose trading barriers with your closest trading union and lose freedom of movement at the same time........wow......unbelievable, so beginning to smell the coffee now! its about as productive as Liz Truss and Kamakazi's unfunded tax cuts saga......the BOE had to bail out the pension industry....now we learn the chancellor of the exchequer/party chairman has been sacked for tax evasion. PS you should also have mentioned rules of origin in this video!
Oh it was considered and then thrown under the bus so Bozo could win an election
@@markbriten6999 I think you mean T May figured out the trilemma as it was known and the hard line ERG mob were having none of it and Boris enters the stage at that point, however, my point is the DUP are against what was delivered by Bojo and chums because they are effectively still in Europe for trade purposes and want desperately to be deep within the motherland and anyone in Ireland could have told you this outcome in 2016 because they understand the border issue and the protection that the GFA gives to the border question, so we have all been watching this mental disaster unfold for the past 6 years, the irony is NI has free access North South East and West! most business people are very happy with the current situation regardless of the handful of jews who can't import kosher grub, well their brothers in the South could send that up hassle free, the media should've mentioned that when it was news!
@@KScan-cj5wi don't forget the hard left who, and I'm not sure why, hated the EU and wanted a hard brexit. Well they've got it and the Tories are busy ripping up all workers rights. You get what you wanted?
The Uk should take advantage of her own mad descission and wait for the unicorns to arrive ..... ( you can still hear a lot of Brexshiteers chearing Brexshit !!)
Brexit is very weird to me. I just don’t understand how some people can live in a post-brexit world and still say they don’t regret voting leave. It’s like they’ve been brainwashed
@camu camu and what’s the OECD outlook for 2023?
@@Ridz149 worse than Russia who is heavily sanctioned
the seats still warm what did you think a lotto win for every one were only just nearly right out ,give it time ,this obsession with money money and money ,we now have less eu free movement of cheep labour that helped the wealthy... not the ordinary person .we treated migrants as surfs for the rich the ,,eu still does ,
Brainwashed?....democratic majority of the UK voted for sovereignty, independence from a corrupt, anti democratic, unaccountable, protectionist, mafioso organisation run by a bunch of childish, vindictive, self serving, gravy train riding, free loading parasites. Leaving was about self governance, empowering the UK to make its own decisions. It does not set in stone what those decisions must be, it's back in the hands of the UK public and not in the hands of or shackled to Brussels.
Can someone explain to the British commentariat that Brexit is so damaging because of the belief in sector by sector agreements? The EU doesn't want it or replication of the Swiss deal.
It's not brexit we regret. It's trusting are government to actually try and fight for us to get a good deal and stand up for the peaple who pay for everything.
We were promised a lot that didn't happen after brexit. I did gain out of brexit however with a 25% payrise - due to EU nationals leaving the UK.
Then you are a very lucky one. The vast majority of people didn't get a pay rise. Indeed companies are going bust or relocating to the EU.
And you understand that your company now has to pass the added costs onto the consumer, adding to inflation?
One big issue was the possibility of a recession. Instead, the BOE devalued the currency. Currency devaluation is typically up to stimulate the economy and yet despite the devaluation we barely escaped a recession. UBS did the maths and we would have had that promised recession except that we sold the family silver.
It is the equivalent of selling the car to ensure we have the same monthly cash in our pockets as we had before. We can't keep on doing that.
Short-term gain versus long-term growth. Some jobs got a boost whereas many businesses went bust, bankrupt or under post-Brexit. It all depends on the side of the equation you are in. You placed the zeros to the right. Well done. Fishermen and farmers voted for their own demise, like turkeys voting for Christmas.
However, bear in mind the UK has one of the lowest pension schemes, overwhelmed health services and no chance to spend your retirement age in the sunny south of Europe (Spain, Greece, Malta, ltaly, France, etc)
@@stephenconway2468 i think BoE should devalue the pound even more to increase the exports. Avoid a recession whatever it takes. Also would increase tourism incoming.
@@manuelfg2902 That would further reduce profits back to foreign investors and undermine their investments so that they would not invest further.
NO THEY DO NOT!!!
#ClassWar
Deregulation is the Financial Service industry's itch. The chemical industry has spent hundreds of millions aligning with EU standards, so they would rather not diverge from standards that are the norm increasingly in countries that still care about health & safety, and environmental protections. You get the feeling that not only are these moves to clear the books of EU regulations driven by ideology, rather economic sense.
Single market economy
Better analysis than all mainstream media combined. Well done !
No it does not.
Who said “the UK should stand alone, if necessary, for European freedom, adding: "We are taunted-by the French, by the Italians, by the Spaniards-for refusing to worship at the shrine of a common government superimposed upon them all.... where were the European unity merchants in 1940? I will tell you. They were either writhing under a hideous oppression or they were aiding and abetting that oppression. Lucky for Europe that Britain was alone in 1940”......Enoch Powell
It’s not true,we have to get on with what the majority voted for.the eu have problems of their own,the uk can get by without anyone else believe me.
I'll keep sharing this until it actually finds someone with the right connections and knowledge to do something about it:
There is a clause in Article 50 of the EU treaty that makes it a condition of withdrawal that 'all constitutional requirements' are met.
It would be very easy to make a case for the triggering of A50 being unconstitutional. The legal groundwork was created in several court cases leading up to the end of 2019. All that was lacking was the political clout to facilitate it because our rogue Tory government held all the cards.
All it requires is a non-Tory, non-Brexit orientated government to present the case to the ECJ that the previous government illegally manipulated the 2016 referendum and, because they were in power, hijacked the result they had conned out of the electorate and used it to illegally withdraw the UK from the EU. The parliamentary situation that occurred around the ratification of the Notification of Withdrawal Bill provides a perfect case for this, in that the government told Parliament hours after a Supreme Court Judge had ruled that the referendum outcome could not mandate triggering A50, that the MPs present would merely be voting to enact that non-existent mandate. This is a breach of the UK constitution.
Pursuing this course would mean that any decision would rest with the ECJ as sole arbiter for disputes over the EU treaties. The EU assembly itself would have to accept any ECJ ruling, meaning that if we were successful in our appeal we would be fully reinstated as a member and there should be no change to our previous member status. The ECJ may levy some requirements upon us, such as the prosecution of those responsible (hooray!) and possibly our solemn undertaking to revise our outdated political system so that a small group of well-heeled con artists would not be able to perpetrate a similar crime, but I believe that this is a viable course of action. All that it requires is a leadership brave enough to actually shake up the status quo and end the practice of turning a blind eye to the crimes of previous administrations.
The train has left the station, and it was the last train on that line. Out means out!
Interesting... I'm not qualified to judge the legal argument here, but there's no political will to have UK back in EU anytime soon, at least during this century. UK out means that EU can really start moving as a political union project, not only economic union; and we are doing it right now ! Furthermore, brexit was an overall disaster but... "overall" is the keyword here. Lots of EU activities that were less competitive than the UK ones does get a boost, some UK companies are moving activities in EU. You just have to witness the progress of Ireland to see my point. As @uweinhamburg says: "Out means Out", for real.
@@pmoohkt That's why I'm pushing this solution. Brexit was an act of economic violence inflicted on the people of Britain by a ruthless, over-privileged minority, who used their wealth and influence over our media (the only source of information that many of us have) to bulldoze through a massive constitutional change. The ECJ is the only body that can arbitrate this and the EU is subject to the legal oversight of the ECJ.
I'm not a lawyer, but I am connected with groups who can raise the profile of this once the BrexiCons are out of the picture.
The powers that be wanted Brexit - the rest is all an illusion of democracy
@@pmoohkt There is a distinct blindness here, and that blindness is to fact that we need not rejoin. A customs union would be enough.
We do NOT regret Brexit; but we're evermore sick of the lying traitors in parliament who are determinedly refusing to actually get out of the Brussels bureaucracy.
Just one example ?
Remaining obedient to every petty dictate of the European Justice Dep't even though we've supposedly left the EU seven years ago ?
The UK will not get a better deal with the EU until the Tories are out. The EU was treated and spoken about very poorly by the Tory leadership starting with Cameron initiating the Brexit vote, so they enjoyed watching the UK eat humble pie. Sunak has improved conditions marginally because he is far more serious, pleasant and polite than BoJo the clown. Hopefully Keir Starmer is elected so that you can get a fresh start with improved terms. A positive renegotiated arrangement will in turn cement the New Labour leadership.
Cameron was hard core pro EU - he campaigned against Brexit and resigned over it
No, we don't. People like you do . Lets place the blame firmly where it should be placed . Corruption in government ...
Move on and look to rebuild the country get the lazy working
How can you? They are lazy. Like johnson
@@nicks4934 at least Johnson pays tax the lazy take out.
Only in the delusional fantasist tiny minds of the rejoin rabble is their regret of any kind.For the rest of us who bothered to turn up to vote,we would double down on our extremely informed opinion formed in 1992 and well and truly cemented in 2016.
You clearly haven't read any polls.
Vote for the Liberal party. Both Tory and Labour have led to this.
Vote tactically. May be labour may be lib
the liberal party was decimated because the were pro eu the massive turn out in the election remain mps 91 percent sacked voted out lost .the media we will vote to go back in wrong tory landslide ;the polls labour to win tory win big time ,we will never go back now ..
Actually, Barnier said "the door is always open to the UK"?! So ...doubt if we'll remain in the wilderness for long?!
the pollsters and their demographic bitterly regret Brexit, the British? I don't personally know anyone who regrets voting for it, and if anyone has changed their opinion is the remainers in my circle who actually think the vote needs to be respected and the whining must end, whether they like the outcome or not
It might sound a bit cold but even if hypothetically the UK decides to rejoin one day, I hope our politicians dont take such bid seriously. Assuming that Brexit is the calamity waiting to happen over time, it better go nasty first rather than at a time when half the country not knowing what to blame their problems on and be the special snowflake member that needs half a dozen exceptions to not sulk every few years.
sorry read your reply its jibberish ;kaizen is that welsh ..
B-b-but, b-but... sovereignty, and... and... unelected bureaucrats, and... SOVEREIGNTY and...
more money for the NHS? Boris?
What we regret is the incompetent implementation matey
The first thing the Brits can do is joining Schengen.
How can they do that?
@@hugogrilo9742 First, level up the border checks and start negotiating with Dublin (because Ireland decided to remain outside *_together_* with GB/UK).
Once London and Dublin agree, it's time to approach the EU Commission (or, possibly, a number of potentially sympathetic EU-members).
It might turn out that some or another EU-country distrusts the UK too much. But it could be worth a try.
@@jmolofsson don't know if that is possible under EU treaties but I get your point. Thanks Johan
@camu camu Without joining Schengen first UK will never again be a member of the European Nations.
@camu camu And this is solely to be solved within the abundant British mindset (subject to be changed)
Even if it were possible for the UK to join the EU in 10-20 years time, you fail to address the elephant in the room and that is what will the UK consist of in the future, possibly just England and Wales or maybe just England? The Tories will be back in power (people have short memories) and there will be a new monarch (the last?) on the throne.
Being part of a European super state genuinely horrifies a huge percentage of the British population at a deeply emotional level
It is what it is - British people have a fierce independence streak within them which, for better or worse, will impact its politics
That's simply bullshit. Norwegians are fiercely independent, and are part of the single market. Fins have literally fought and beaten the Soviet Union on their own, just to remain independent, and they are part of the EU.
The British population has been poorly served by its politicians and press for decades, that's all.
@@lacdirk Norway's not a very good example is it?
Neither is Finland really seeing as they share a border with Russia
But you're right in general, many countries have no problem being a member of an EU super state, giving up their currencies, and ever closer political union
They don't mind having an EU flag, anthem etc... either
But many millions of Brits are horrified by these ideas
Churchill was a big fan of the creation of the EU, especially as a bulwark against the USSR
But he never wanted Britain to be part of it - and as you saw, even when inside Britain wanted nothing more than to trade, not all the political union
That's why Gordon Brown tried to sign the Lisbon Treaty away from the cameras - he new it was a vote loser
For better or worse, that's how many millions of Brits feel, they don't want to be part of the European 'project'
I see similarities with when the US declared independence - which is unsurprising given the origins and 'cultural myth' of the people involved
@@prisoneroffortune So the Dutch don't have to close the 3,000 farms? They can use their veto?
@@yingyang1008 Norway is a perfect example of a very independent-minded people that understands that it makes perfect sense to be a rule taker to be in the single market.
Finland is also famously independent-minded and proudly sovereign, but has no issue being a member. Most EU members are proudly independent people with long histories that understand why nations cooperate.
I don't get the obsession with the EU flag and anthem. The UN has both a flag and an anthem, as does NATO. Why on earth would stuff like that trigger you?
Before the referendum, the EU was a non-issue for British voters. It was made an issue by a relentlessly mendacious campaign.
US independence like Brexit? You must be kidding. The UK has lost control over its fate by leaving the EU. It may have gained theoretical sovereignty, but it lost actual sovereignty. It's pretty much the opposite of the US independence war.
(Also, unlike the British Empire, the EU didn't put up a fight, but accepted the decision and moved on ... unlike most British)
@@yingyang1008 What about many millions of Brits that want to be part of "EU super state" as you call it? Half of the country didn't want to throw the future of their children down the sewer, but were dragged off the cliff by the people like you, whose blind nationalistic exceptionalism didn't need any actual facts and thinking rooted in reality.
EU should have listened to De Gaulle. He warned against UK joining EU and he was 100% right.
0:45 Lib dems policy is rejoining the EU
ruclips.net/video/NmRr0zQ21Rs/видео.html The UK can not join the EU customs union, because the EU customs union is the EU itself. The UK can negotiate a customs union with the EU, like Turkey has done. Call that the Turkey solution.
The EU single market has nothing to do with a customs union. That should be clear from Norway's membership of the single market, while not being in a customs union with the EU.
Norway has rejected the UK's overtures to join the EFTA in 2016 and 2017. Even now its business groups are clear that they think that UK membership of EFTA would be bad for Norway. If the UK seeks to rejoin the single market, it will have to convince the EU to create a different mechanism than the EFTA/EEA.
And when that happens we'll need big hats to protect us from the 🐖 shit coming down from the flying ones
Or rejoin with Article 49!
NOOOOOOOOOOOOO Let the UK out of the EU!
I do not regret leaving the EU.
The UK had unfair advantages with their half-join EU. It’s good that they left finally and if want to join they would do it normally as every other country.
I don’t see UK any different any better or any way superior comparing to Poland, sorry British people you have to admit it is not imperial time anymore, you have to compete and play it fair.
Brexit was irrevocable, there is the regret that the lack of a hard border at N.I. causes problem that needs to be resolved.
The substitute trade the Brexiteers hoped for with the world has to materialise, and prove beneficial. Britain must do trade deals with the United States, India and other Commonwealth countries.
The USA has said no. The commonwealth aren't that interested any more and India will give us a shit deal because we've no leverage. Next
we will we are ,
@@markbriten6999 Britain should restart the momentum to do a Best Friend trade deal with U.S. and with Commonwealth countries. I believe Britain can be very good friend with India,
hopefully Mr Sunak can
@@stephenisom6089 all the trade talks will pick up momentum and be fruitful. I hope and pray.
@@durudadlani1931 i agree we will do it but its harder fighting the ,eu and home grown remoaners ,,i wish us all well,,
I gave up @ 0:50 when the phrase "no political party wants it" was used. I think you will find that the SNP - the 3rd largest party in the UK parliament wants it. But hey! What does Scotland matter. If you are going to produce videos like this then at least have the good grace to do some proper research and remember that the UK is not England.
The things you think of make it not possible for the UK to join the EU ever. It's going to make the UK like Taiwan is to China. I would say fix the UK(not only economical but mostly political) first and then start thinking togheter where you want to be in the world(maybe thats not in the EU). Anyway it seems like a negative reaction but i promise it's not. I love the UK and i hope this year Scotland wins the six nations trophy. From tragedy to triumph seems to be a good motto for a lot of current affairs all over the world.
Winning a game wont make up for losing so much. Our children and grandchildren will look back and curse the brexidiots who closed them off from freedom of movement all over the EU.
I think that Scotland will win the 6 nations on the year of independance, this year seems unlikely, seeing how Ireland dominates Wales and France is still the other serious contender. I love watching Scotland, they show genius at times, but the ressource in top noch players for a full bench is not there.
@@jean-pascalesparceil9008 Yeah, the first 25 minutes was brutal. I hope France and Ireland wear eachother out so that Scotland gets enough margin to hold on a small lead than.
I'm sorry, but you've got the same choice now as you can mwill later. The EU isn't going anywhere yet, so we have to come to terms with it. And rejoining isn't the only option. I would be surprised if that was the first option. This is about economic reality. A country that is reliant on imports and has only one major industry is a beggar in economic terms. Unless what you have cannot be duplicated elsewhere you are in danger of being hoist on your own petard when someone comes along and takes it over. The idea that the UK should rely on financial services to drive its economy was a short sighted one. It's like going back to the 16th century where Britain had one agricultural export - wool. That was it, until other fabrics came along and wrecked that trade. You need a mixture of top tier industries, and we're not even anywhere close to establishing an alternative. And our Financial Services industry just lost the ability to sell financial services inside the EU. They got hoist with their own petard, because the wholesale market for the Euro is now running inside the EU, and London can't compete directly. Big mistake. Millions of pounds of sales gone from London. The only thing left is the UK, and our the economy is shrinking by 4% a year - twice as fast as the rest of the world... We need to have a functional relationship with the EU until we can sort out our dysfunctional economy. Perhaps you need to go to economicshelp.org, and read the analyses there. We've been a frog sitting in a pot of water over a low flame for a long time, and instead of getting off the stove altogether, we've jumped into the frying pan. Reality has no malice, and it is what it is, but where we are Reality will have no mercy either, unless we can trade freely. We can't as we are. And it's haemorrhaging money that could help our NHS and feed hungry kids right now.
@@tijnjansen7609 Congratulations! 3rd time Calcuta Cup! Splendid match, DvdM's 1st try is probably going to be Try of the Year. Lots of individual feats but Ireland demonstrated mastery, a perfect machine.
Get rid of the Tory’s that’s the first thing
I think you're more different than a new deal will delay restored membership by a decade longer than it otherwise would be but won't be the end of it for the very demographic reasons you're talking about. 10 years from now I expect Scotland and Northern Ireland to be in the European economic area and the rest of the UK in the customs Union. 20 years from now I expect Scotland and Northern Ireland should be working on Canada for the EU wow the rest of the UK is entering the European economic eria. There then will be a race between Scotland and Northern Ireland getting their separate membership and the development on Au K candidate status This will be occurring in about 30 years. In about 40 years the UK will come to terms with how much they lost of their previous car votes and be a candidate closing in on membership.
Simple calculations factor..BREXIT makes life difficult for most Brits than the EU's 28 becoming 30 countries. UK will sell less to EU now than before. EU is the preferred market than UK globally. The House of Commons should consider sacking Boris Johnson for rushing BREXIT. It's all about pride & prejudice.
no mate the world is greed so uk offer quicker cheeper better goods people will want them pile it high sell it cheep ,,the eu slow cumbersome expensive old model out of date ,
What next? Get this nasty party out
Let's be honest people here voted for Brexit because they didn't want more asylum seekers coming here and because we have no bonds whatsoever with the rest of Europe. I don't know anyone personally who has changed their mind but the ones who have from what I've read have only regretted it because the asylum situation isn't much better.
It's worse, they can't invoke the Dublin accords now so can't send them back
migrants were part of the argument not asylum seekers as 99 percent were money tourist ,free movement was surfdom low low paid eu migrants treated like crap by countries wanting cheep very cheep labour that did two things 1 wage stagnation for us ordinary folk low waged economy 2,migrants were treated as slave labour for very hard work..so as leave said we are low paid ,,,the strikes now bare this out and we treat eu workers like skivis .who benifits the ordinary folk low wages high house prices so NO benefits ///the migrants low very low wages living 10 to a flat do they benefit NO// so who does the wealthy and rich who the ,,eu has made mega rich... wealth beyond dreams but at who,s expense ours ordinary people out and stay out ,,
Britain like Norway and Swiss r rule taker with no say :)
where covid roll out who did we ask oh no f/////r ..