Billions of taxpayer $$ fund religious schools
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- Опубликовано: 26 сен 2024
- Billions in taxpayer dollars are being used to pay tuition at religious schools throughout the country, as state voucher programs expand dramatically and the line separating public education and religion fades.
School vouchers can be used at almost any private school, but the vast majority of the money is being directed to religious schools, according to a Washington Post examination of the nation’s largest voucher programs.
Vouchers, government money that covers education costs for families outside the public schools, vary by state but offer up to $16,000 per student per year, and in many cases fully cover the cost of tuition at private schools. In some schools, a large share of the student body is benefiting from a voucher, meaning a significant portion of the school’s funding is coming directly from the government.
In just five states with expansive programs, more than 700,000 students benefited from vouchers this school year. (Those same states had a total of about 935,000 private school students in 2021, the most recent year for which data are available.) An additional 200,000 were subsidized in the rest of the country, according to tracking by EdChoice, a voucher advocacy group. That suggests a substantial share of about 4.7 million students attending private school nationwide are benefiting from vouchers - a number that is expected to grow.
The programs, popular with conservatives, are rapidly growing in GOP-run states, with a total of 28 states plus D.C. operating some sort of voucher system. Eight states created or expanded voucher programs last year, and this year, Alabama, Georgia and Missouri have approved or expanded voucher-type programs. Some recently enacted plans are just starting to take effect or will be phased in over the next few years.
This would have been funnier if he thought billions was the whole global economy paying for the private schools
I think he did considering the reaction
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and then explaining its only like 1 or 2% of the whole education spending
@@kidfunkyfri3308 and that the education spending in America is notoriously low
@@seal8900 well it should be 0
our public schools would be so much better if they had more bulletin boards
And if those bulletin boards were expensed.
@@limeslime711yeah teacher's should not be paying for classroom supplies
@@shashi43526Agreed but the bulletin board being expensed in a inside joke of the Washington post yt channel that the bulletin board was paid for the guy explaining it
Schools famously have bulletin boards lol
I agree, but teachers can't afford the printouts. have you seen the price on color ink?
That expensed bulletin board is paying off!
So the parents of kids who go to private school get a tax exemption since they aren’t using it?
That’s what the voucher basically is.
Since they would rather die than give non billionaires tax breaks.
They just give them a tax return of what is portioned for education.
@@AG-yc7vtthink you meant to put this in the main comments section 😂
Also came to say I’m way too invested in the saga of the expensed cork board at this point, I’m too far gone 😂
@@AG-yc7vtwdym I thought the schools are getting govt funding.
Need to make sure he expenses that back scratcher too
Yessss! The bulletin board is back!!!!
This law is terrible, already rich families just get to have their kids tuition paid for at their expensive private school. This is a major problem here in Arizona which is 49th in the country in education funding. We have some of the best private schools as well that are dominated by the only millionaires in the area who take advantage of the system that is meant to help struggling families.
Tax money does NOT pay private school tuition rates in states that have voucher programs. It pays the SAME amount for every kid -- whatever the public school per pupil cost is in that state. The parents must still pay the rest to use a private school or choose a public school with no additional cost. Since religious schools generally cost less than public schools yet have better academic performance, they actually take less from the Treasury than public school kids with a better result. Indeed, many lower income parents choose them even if they aren't religious themselves just to get the benefit of a better education for their kids. Your tax dollars are not burdened in the least but by any of these parental choices, so there's no reason for you to complain... Except perhaps hatred of "the rich" or religion.
@@cordegThe funding does not go to the public school and it has less resources to make progress...but this isn't a concern for the rich because they want to keep more money by NOT paying into the public school system. When there is no school voucher they can still send their kids to private school...with paying their share into public schooling. Also private schooling values teachers/staff less and they have less pay+benefits
edit: just another way to steal labor value from the working class by the right :)
@@mooremats1392 the portion of funding that "does not go to the public school" is precisely that amount required to educate the students that no longer go there -- they STILL have the $X per pupil to educate the ones who remain. Indeed, public schools may consolidate, as they do whenever there are fewer children of school age in a district -- a phenomenon that's been happening in many places since the baby boom ended. So that argument is disingenuous at best, and pretty much scare-mongering to keep voters agitated against school vouchers. The facts demonstrate otherwise, in particular in places where vouchers have already been approved.
It's also curious, and ironic, that you would claim private schools somehow value teachers less and do pay then less in salary and benefits, since the usual complaint about private schools is that they cost more -- which they do, unless they are private religious schools being at least partially supported by a church, synagogue, or mosque. It makes for a mildly schizophrenic argument to say the least. But, I guess when you have nothing substantive to work with it's only natural to come on with all the alternative defense you can come up with.
@@cordeg You can literally look it up and check that private school teachers make less than public school teachers (which is a documented trend)...I'm also grabbing from my personal experience of going to private school. Not looking up the salaries and claiming otherwise isn't disingenuous...but lazy for sure.
Edit: but school vouchers sure are a good way too save these richer parents money
@@mooremats1392 it you check, you'll see I DID'NT claim any such thing -- I said it was that people complained that private schools cost the taxpayer more and also that they paid teachers less. Private schools may cost the USER more but not the taxpayer. The 'teacher pay' comment was only to note the disjoint complaints. You got all hot and bothered for nothing. Oh, "richer parents" aren't "saving" anything, they are just no longer paying twice for education...and they are getting the same benefit amount as any other parent. You have a lot of anger over imaginary harms.
Say it with me...taxation WITHOUT REPRESENTATION! It wasn't about the taxes, it was about the lack of a seat i. Parliament.
So if the colonies had been given parliamentary seats back in London, might the revolution not have occurred? 🤔
Yeah, I as a minor I’m still taxed. I’m gonna go throw some tea in a harbor.
@@marcmarparran7753 I'm in the camp of it wouldn't have gone to war, correct
No, they just didn't want to pay their taxes. Rich people never want to pay their taxes and will gladly screw over an entire nation for a tax cut.
Incorrect. The constitution bans taxes.
"Sorry, how are we affording that magnificent corkboard?"
"Expensed from the taxes we pay."
"💀."
its not expensed from taxes, its just taxed differently as a business expense
"How much did you spend on it?"
"Billions"
Jeff Bezos bought them and has been giving them stuff so they won't write real news about him.
@@ratofthecity6351yeah but businesses (at least in Canada) and still get back the tax they paid for the goods from the government, which just basically means they don’t pay the tax for the goods.
Also it lowers taxes on profits cause higher expenses = lower net profit = lower tax dollars
Keep in mind I’m not a professional nor should I be considered one
Get yourself someone who loves you as much as this man loves his bulletin board.
He expensed it. He has to use it.
And the back scratcher 😂
RETURN OF THE BOARD!
I expensed it. I have to use it.
@@DaveJorgenson a reply from the man himself! Really appreciate the work you're doing. Keep it up!
Private schools should be paid for by the family PERIOD
Seeing the comments gives me hope that not everyone has lost their minds.
Well... Evil and crazy are two different things
Everyone is just going insane nowadays...it makes me so depressed that the US is just...so messed up with crazies.
This channel is crazy and if u agree u are too
@@Lt-Leinad if yiu found factual information crazy you are the problem
Vouchers r perfectly fine. Ur giving ppl their money back that would normally go to public schools.
"So these things are dinosaurs, right? You following? They are distant cousins to chickens...."
They're the Founding Fathers of chickens.
Technically they are the evolutionary ancestor of chickens, not cousins.
Evolution is bs
Yes, it's like over time these things change and over millions of years, a lot of change can kind of change them I think.
@@Anonyomus_commentercousins and grandparents/ancestors are typically the same thing, no?
Public money should never be used for private schools.
It's USED for the education of the child in each case. Which vendor provides that is NOT material to the transaction and affects you as a taxpayer in NO way whatsoever. Your complaint is therefore irrational. It's like saying school vouchers should not be used at two-story schools but only one-story schools. What does it matter to you or anyone else. Back before the government forced schools to follow the same regulatory regime as public schools you might have had a complaint, but it's been decades now, so you are buying the same EDUCATION for the money at the private schools and any religious instruction they may provide is fine on their own dime.
@@cordeg It's stealing money from public schools.
Why don't I ever hear anyone complain about tax money paying for private colleges
@@missywilson8770 You're not really good at this whole internet troll thing are you.
@@missywilson8770 because the people complaining about tax money going to private elementary/secondary/high schools are mostly just people who fear religion ("it's a conspiracy to create a theocracy!" -- as if there's even the slightest chance society is moving in that direction), not who actually care about the Constitution or any other aspect of the subject. if they were really concerned about public-private mixing, they'd be refusing to apply for federal grants for their kid's college education, but i don't see any groundswell of protest in that area. assuming the feds should be involved in education at all, it doesn't matter where the citizens choose to get their education, so long as it costs the same regardless of the vendor. NO school choice voucher program in existence and NO program ever proposed approves of paying the full cost of tuition at any private institution -- they simply say that if the per-pupil cost in the public schools is $X, then people choosing a private school will get $X for that purpose. any additional cost comes out of their own pocket.
Dont forget the real reason they want to do this, to circumvent Brown vs Board of education.
“Funding public religious schools directly” 🤮🤮🤮
🤡🤡🤡🤡fool
Okay non religious person
@@datboi42 it’s just that those schools should be private (separation of church and state) and funding shouldn’t be diverted which harms the rest of the public school system
@@Archimedes115I can agree with that if you can agree that CRT, sexual or racial identity politics, or really politics of any sort (which is really just a different type of religion) shouldn’t be discussed at all on any level, in schools paid for by taxes.
@@joelsifilisreligion only effects you if you believe it however you can't go "I don't believe women exist" or "my god says black people are fake". i shouldn't have to explain the reason. Religious schools funded by the government would mean a jewish person would be paying for their kids to be taught Christianity or a christian person to be paying for their kids to be taught islam against their will.
While religions are mostly made up of values that differ, races and sexualities aren't. All black people will always be black, all gay men will always be attracted to men etc
"We also don't have segregation anymore"
“Oh 🙄”
Welllll....not in the sense they used to have it at least... (i.e. nowadays it's basically "cultural appropriation" instead of cultural appreciation)
I've never really gotten the "What would the founding fathers think?" train of thought, they're almost 2 and a half centuries their opinions on things shouldn't matter
@zorn2425 they literally owned people, i personally think any of their opinions on todays topics are fully null
You freed the WHAT?!?!
Honestly? Most of the founding fathers would probably be far more opposed to a Huge number of taxes levied against citizens, as opposed to those taxes being used to fund schools for millions of children.
If anything, they'd probably be far more offended by the absolutely ridiculous amount of money spent on paying senators and Congress.
No they wouldn't, their issue was that they didn't have a say in which taxes were created, not that taxes existed.
@@trueblaze84 They would understand taxes existing, but during their time taxes were 1-2% on the federal level. The british had a 5%. Now, it starts at 10% and gets higher the more you make. Not to mention sales tax, property tax, medicare and social security, and more. The average person will spend a third of their income on taxes. I think they'd definitely have an issue with just how bloated the government has become.
They would also be very offended that prayer is outlawed in the ten commandments are no longer taught!
@@johnkhanwayne6988 Why you lie
It’s true George Washington fought for independence completely out of his pocket. I’m not sure if he was compensated much after he became president. Most patriots during the Revolution weren’t paid at all
Yeah and in oklahoma we have some of the worst school ratings yet our government decided we need to force every class to teach about the bible 😒
The Bible is a significant document of history for our country. I think it will actually be beneficial to our kids to learn that
yessir
@@SuperBlueSky105somebody on RUclips is super high 🙄
Alr lets get one thing straight, as an Oklahoman, teaching the Bible in schools is a bad idea. The only way you can execute this well is if you make it so that the "Bible class" is an entire optional, only funded for by donations, from outside sources. Furthermore, private schools should not be funded, especially if it a religious school. I'm a Christian, Republican, and conservative, and I can tell you this is a horrible idea as it make the line a little blurrier between state and church. It goes against much of what our founding father fought for. If I was old enough to vote against this, I would.
@mr.barnacle1371 your not old enough to know what your saying i am also, republican, Catholic, Conservative and they didnt mention a specific religion, if it is equal to schools of all religions then its fair and not one religion is prioritized
I love getting my news in this skit format. Man, I can't believe Washington Post would let their journalists have this much fun with their work.
So long as he uses the expensed bulletin board
@@washingtonpostuniversethis is how to stay relevant in the digital age. Important news given in bite size entertaining shorts with just enough info to give us the gist and allow us to look it up if we want to dig deeper. People don’t know what to look into until they hear about it and these shorts fit that need perfectly.
In an age where information is thrown at us every minute of every day, this helps float the important stiff to the top. Society has figured out the spreading of information. Now people need those that can sort it all out and help us organize that information.
Being encouraged to have fun while doing this grueling work by an employer shows through the videos and takes it all to the next level.
Washington 'Compost'
fr more news sites need to catch up with this. this is amazing.
Great! Now if only they’d stop posting everything out of the Middle East that’s unchecked in authenticity.
Fun fact: Public schools in the 1700s were not free (i.e. paid by taxes). Public meant open to the public in the same way that Walmart is open to the public to shop at. Students paid a fee to attend.
Most kids at the time learned to read at church.
Fun Fact: It's not the 1700's anymore, and those kids barely got an education at all.
@@sharimeline3077fun fact, the current public education system ranks among the worst in the developed world.
@@tomcat8662 SO we need to prioritize schools in our budget. Schools need more money to do their job effectively.
Indeed, the first schools (private) in the UK were / are called Public Schools as they were open to the public for the new well heeled middle classes ie they were private schools.
Before that aristocrats' children had governesses at home that taught them stuff or it was monks who learned to read/write.
@@sharimeline3077 Spending on public education is at its highest ebb in our history, we spend more educating our children today than we ever have, and our schools are only getting worse and worse.
They would be absolutely horrified if they saw public schools.
They would be horrified at how little money is actually spent on education.
They' be horrified of the feudalism organized religious industry
Not every public school is urban (tax dollars are spread too thin) or rural (property values are not enough to fund schools). There are tens of thousands of excellent suburban and exurban public schools. You just never hear about them because the national media skew toward doom and gloom.
Nah, I think most of them would be pretty in favor, with some of them being opposed. Remember, they were no strangers to wanting public institutions (post office, fire department, etc.)
They would not react because they'd still be shocked about the other thing
THEY'RE LOOSE! THEY'RE JUST OUT THERE, EVERYWHERE!
And thousands of public school kids eat cheese sandwiches for lunch because the school can't afford to give them a hot meal.
Pretty sure they can afford it but during the Obama administration they implemented some health limits.
Anyways the high school I went to at least serves some pretty good food despite being public schools actually tend to have more money than you'd think especially in bigger cities.
Schools choose what they spend money on and what I see locally is multi-million dollar buildings with massive sprawling sports complexes. And also that they're firing teachers and bus drivers are making less than $12/hr. So maybe money isn't the issue.
@@winterinvictaits not the same as when you were in high school as it is right now, regardless of if you graduated last year or ten years ago; funding is ACTIVELY being drained and its not a slow burn by any means
@@winterinvicta This has been disproven many times it's just schools being greedy
Ummm the school make kids to pay there meal.... have you ever went America school?????
those vouchers saved me from going to school in the hood from 4th-8th grade, greatly appreciate everyone paying the taxes for me.
You have more sense than 90% of the people in this comment section
I'm very happy for you that it did but that treats the symptom and not the problem.
@@daverhoden445 Low income families wanting their kids in a good school is a problem? No thanks, I think crime and mental health are bigger problems
@@daverhoden445 its the only solution to the cartel that runs the education system right now. People don't want their kids to go to failure factories.
My mom just used a co-workers address to get me into a better school lol.
As someone who went to a private Lutheran school and got government funding through one of these programs, I feel like I should add a little for anyone who may think this is a bad thing.
The original reason I was in a private school is because I got kicked out of the public school I was at in preschool. I had a severe speech impediment and no one could understand me so I got mad. That public school and another one I attended later in 3rd grade had atrocious speech therapy classes. We were very poor but managed to get funding so I could go to this private school. The overall education, speech therapy, and smaller environment with less people was 10 times better than any public school. I'm eternally grateful I didn't have to go through the hell I experienced of public school. It would've turned me into a husk of a person. I think having that funding as an option is extremely important
And the vouchers you and thousands of others used could have been used to pay for better public programs to provide speech therapy free of charge to thousands of kids.
The problem is how school choice creates a slush fund that negatively affects public funding and creates profits from those public funds for private corporations, not the schools themselves.
@@WMDistraction Yeah, its not like when you look at the History of increases in funding of Public Schools they show zero to negative improvements...
@@shannenmr
When has there been a notable increase in public funding in the last several decades? School choice has snowballed since the early 2000s. Any increase since then has to take into account substantially larger increases in the proportion of those funds that contribute to voucher and charter programs.
@@WMDistraction Spending per student rises every year many times more than inflation... vouchers are usually only for 1/2 the amount that would have been used otherwise... many of the Public Schools with the highest amount being "spent per student" actually have worse / the same results as others...
I have no issue with people sending their kids to private school if the public school is inadequate, but why couldn’t your parents send you to a non-religious private school? I personally just think that makes more sense if it was your only real option :)
1st amendment. "Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion." and before you say it says congress and not state. This has already been answered by courts. 14th amendment. "No State shall make or enforce any law which shall abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the United States". Courts ruled that since the 1st amendment prevents congress from passing laws respecting religion, that as protected citizens, states can ALSO not do the same.
I like how the founding father here is portrayed as hating taxes, but one of the first thing they did as a new nation was raise a tax on whiskey in order to pay down the debt gained from the revolution war costs lol.
Actually under the articles of confederation they weren't actually able to levy taxes and left the generation of currency up to the states. The federal government quickly went broke and things fell apart. So they abandoned the articles of confederation and drafted the Constitution in 1789.
@@ehntals1394 Which is hilarious when you remember a huge chunk of Americans think the Constitution is a perfect document, despite the Founders entirely screwing up on the try before, and needing to toss in double digits of amendments right away.
@@Kanriel To be fair most of these people are completely unaware of the Articles of Confederation. Also a significant overlap with a demographic that belives certain other written texts are perfect and infallible.
They were against personal income taxes and sales tax. Taxes on foreign imports was the only means to make money at first.
The tax on whiskey was pushed HARD by Hamilton, was actually an income tax because everywhere outside the East coast paid wages in alcohol, and directly led to the Whiskey Rebellion that Washington had to go put down. It was a huge deal and fueled Hamilton's anti-federalist detractors from there on out.
Last week I went to a creationist museum They tried to convince the dinosaurs were on the arc Plants were made Before the sun.
Giant Are real The earth was made in actual days Creating fossils.Isn't that long of a process And by the Within the first Five minutes I was considering atheism
the best choice
Wait... Hamm didn't blow you away with mountains and mountains of evidence proving his claim???
His prestige degrees and awards didn't either?
Well there are a lot of studies done that prove fossils don't take that long to make.
Same with diamonds.
for real. there's this guy milo rossi /miniminuteman who does youtube videos sometimes debunking pseudoarchaeology and whenever he runs into the young earth creationist shit i can see the man get a migraine in real time
@@DeathShiniGamano fossils are made in days or even a few years, if it did don't you think we'd be doing that already?
And then the founding father would say “wait, the federal government has any say over education? That’s crazy! The states should be doing that not the federal government”
The federal government has no direct control over school curriculums. That's state and local authority.
They only influence schools through overall standards and testing.
Entire department to be abolished saving ~$100B
What im perplexed about is that we fund our schools on a per student basis more and more every year yet our achievement outcomes are worse and worse.
Exactly the point, think about anything the government runs.... it always sucks, so why are we letting the government have a monopoly on schools
Because it's not enough. You KNOW this. You know that teachers pay out of pocket for school supplies. You know that parents do, too. When I went to school a long time ago, parents only had to provide notebooks and pens/pencils. Now parents get an entire laundry list of things they have to buy. Because schools aren't given enough money.
Schools are funded by local property taxes, which is why schools are better in affluent towns
@@sharimeline3077so the abysmal performance of public schools comes down to who’s purchasing the school supplies?
@@tomcat8662 Well if it's not a sign that schools are severely underfunded, I don't know what is. They can't even afford plain school supplies?
Teachers in West Virginia: Yeah so Jesus chilled with the dinosaurs and now we're here. Any questions, class?
Do you think you can't talk about "other theories" in other states? This law changed nothing.
Dinosaurs went extinct during the flood about 2300 years before Christ was incarnated.
@@ohcrap2222 "other theories" so, not history
@@StarchieHalo Do you think evolution is "history"?
Tbh I just need to know what they mean by "talk about." Do they mean teach it as if it were true scientific fact? Merely converse about it? Just give them their spot in the limelight while you teach mainly evolution?
man in the future if im gonna have to prove evolution to someone who was taught it wasnt a real thing in public school im going to bring back dinosaurs
Christian schools dont teach its not a real thing they teach theistic evolution which is ltrly just evolution through a Christian world view and catholic schools would too cuz evolution is affirmed by the church- ppl i went to public school with ltrly think evolution is fake, earth is flat, that all Egyptians were black and that voting doesnt do anything and i went to 2 top public schools in Silicon Valley dude 🫥🫥
Fossils and bacteria prove evolution.
My 10 year old nephew still can't grasp the concept that states and cities are different and that the cities are inside the states... We definitely need to be funding public schools better is all I'm gonna say. Glad he at least has a para.
@@Mewhenifinalltgetallthebugsnah, the US has among the highest spending per student of OECD countries. It’s not lack of money, the system is just ass and inefficient.
@@Mewhenifinalltgetallthebugs American needs to Stop to Finance Public school over the property tax that is the Most unequal system you could use If some school are schwiming in Money and other school cant even really hire teachers.
"public religious schools" yikes here we go again.
Yes "yikes", last time we witch hunted religions we ended up with feminism and leftism as a religion, the type of stuff most MSM uses to earn lots of money.
'There are an infinite number of genders' isn't a scientific statement, it's religious bs fed by leftism to promote chaos and a divide. Divide and conquer.
As a Canadian living in Ontario I thought this was normal. Catholic public schools are extremely common, they run off their own school board but we would still compete in most school sports. Im pretty sure for every public school there is a catholic school. I’ve never really supported the idea, but I thought my opinion was in the minority
@@pineapple6350 here in NC where I live it's not all that common, imo religion is one of the major things that should be kept strictly outside of school. God forbid someone need to go to a public school but have different religious beliefs then the ones around.
@@tylerx2ez699same and I hope too
There's a good reason why people keep those two separate
@@tylerx2ez699 Where I live the amount of public schools and Catholic public schools is about 1 for 1. So I’ve never thought that it’s forced from the schools side, but since it’s family’s choice, the kid could be forced. But because catholic schools aren’t private, they are funded 1:1 with normal public schools. Essentially making everyone pay for their religious school system, whether it’s their beliefs or not
It astounds me how many people don’t understand the establishment clause.
Do Pell Grants that go to private Catholic colleges violate the establishment clause?
Ah, only "atheist" religious establishments who barely teach children obtaining lower literacy rates than before public schools existed. Yea--> Bravo! Unionized "public" schools are doing so well... Worse scores than our Grandparents who went to private schools with HIGHER literacy rates. Pure genius.
Bro shouldve had him ask "how do we pay for that bulletin board?"
The founding fathers would indeed be very confused...about why schools need public funding. They're from a time when people had to pay out of pocket for education and it used to be heavily tied to religion. In fact, education devoid of religion is the exception, not the norm.
Education devoid of religion is the norm in modern times, not the exception.
Where do you live? The middle east? In every normal country kids learn actual history and not a bunch of bullshit from a book from 2000 years ago that was rewritten several times and has no histórical value whatsoever
@@DivianceCalm down weeabo.
@@salbalopes7511 This comment is so ignorant lmao
@@HotManJonah do you enjoy saying bcrap without backing it up?
I am for it. I was poor. My Catholic school taught me about evolution, gave me opportunities to improve and build my self esteem. I am not even Catholic anymore but it gave me a foundation to build upon and I’m grateful for it.
That's great but sadly not every religious school is like that
Yeah, except they're giving the option to not teach any of that.😅
They're literally rolling around the idea of telling them that they can teach whatever the f*** they want.
PUBLIC funds from the American tax payers should not go to PRIVATE institutions, PERIOD.
@@RevolutionaryGuitar It's a voucher that goes to the parents. The parents then decide where to send their kid(s).
This allows parents to move their kids away from horrible schools that the school boards completely lack the ability or desire to improve.
@@KarosheusHumanity is doomed 💀
I’ve heard some people with kids say “why shouldn’t we be able to take the taxes _we_ _pay_ and use that money at whatever schools we want?” Here’s the thing a lot of people with school-age kids forget-a huge portion of their child’s education is funded by taxpayers that do not currently have school-aged kids. Some are retired and their kids are grown, some are young and haven’t had kids yet. Some haaven’t had kids and will never have kids, and some had a child and that child died in a horrible accident so, they too, do not currently have school-aged kids. All of them pay taxes so other people’s kids can go to school. Why is this? Well, it goes back to why public schools were started in this country. They were not started to ease the financial burden of parents. They were started because those that started them knew that a country with an educated population is more likely to prosper as a whole.
Our founding fathers did not hate taxes. They hated taxation without representation.
No. but they would dislike the expansion of federal power into unauthorized areas. See 10th Amendment.
"No taxation without representation" was just a slogan, though.
There was never any serious expectation of sending MPs.
@@michaelmicek No it wasn't, it was the basis and justification of the revolution. English citizens had the house of commons but colonialists had no representation.
@@michaelmicek It- it was the reason for the American war for independence? They were Englishmen who were being denied the rights of Englishmen.
@@imjustvi6279 by that point they were no longer Englishmen.
Funnily enough, the private school I go to is completely run by donations given to them, not by government funding. Has been for around 20 years now. God bless!
There are no private schools that get government funding. This guy just doesn't understand that vouchers give people THEIR OWN MONEY back to use how they wish.
@@lindenpeters2601he’s a high and mighty Democrat. Thinks he knows economics and demographics, but also thinks California makes up 50% of the US GDP
@@lindenpeters2601 You can't claim to be funding public schools while also getting your money back? Or how much does the voucher give back?
@@vez3834 The voucher is your money back from paying taxes(taxes on a service you don't use), if you are using a voucher you are probably only minimally funding public schools.
@@Mer1912 no wonder all he says is some hard bs
Why do they make us pay for something that only certain people can fully use without changing the way we live and what we do. We should separate government and religious institutions due to the fact that not everyone is a part of a religion, nor should those people have to pay for something that is not useful for them.
Fair but why should people who chose to go to a religious school have to pay taxes on public schools that they don't use its the same situation we should simply pay and be able to then chose which school we attend or only pay taxes based of the school you attend
@braedenedwards9151 The distinction here is that people choosing to go to religious schools have made a choice (and weighed the pros and cons). They chose to pay extra money to go to a school of their choice.
If all religious schools were funded by taxes, there is no choice as to whether or not that school is worth the extra money. Plus, even if you were to change your lifestyle (by becoming religious and attending one of those religious schools), you're still paying for other schools that you wouldn't support, since there are guaranteed to be schools of a different religious denomination.
@@braedenedwards9151becuase public schools are available to everyone in the public while religious schools exclude those of different religions
@@braedenedwards9151 because it Is a Service they could chose to use at any time.
Should I not pay for reads because I decide to never leave my property?
Should I not pay for the fire Departement cause my house never caught fire?
@braedenedwards9151 because public education is an investment that betters the entirety of society. A universally well-educated population is a stronger population. That's why countries with public secondary schools (universities) have a higher quality of life than Americans, thankfully Joe Biden is taking steps to make junior college and vocational schools free. You are basically saying, "Why should my taxes pay for police if I hire private security"
I’m so sick of being saturated with the Christian mythology and hypocrisy!!!
We have religious salesmen on every corner. We don’t need them in our schools.
I agree, rainbow hypocrisy is so much better. Now, pay for my HRT.
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Your bigoted myths are showing.
You can choose whatever school you want. That's the beauty of it.
@@kayremoob9579
What are you talking about?
@@dsiepiela6449 Do you not know what HRT is or something?
The public school system doesn't do it job. So the vouchers are a good thing for poor and minorities.
The school systems in some areas are desperately poor because the tax base is poor. Consider that every church on every corner in America gets away with not paying property taxes.
Louisiana has industrial wealth comparable to Texas. So why is it so desperately poor? Because the rich industries aren't paying state taxes so therels no infrastructure money. It's just a 'pass through' state.
@kelliepatrick519 When people in politics want to get ready of repeat programs that didn't work. They we fought by the democratic lifers. When vouchers were put forth as a way to get these people in the school systems better choose it was shoot down by the democrats. The system is the way these politicians want it to be. If you belaminh it on taxes pay on homes. You pointing fingers at those who want better school.
This coming school year they're going to make every single public school teach the Bible and the Ten Commandments. Knowing other kids who are of other religions or don't like this stuff being forced onto them, the thing they're there for IS TO LEARN, GO TO CHURCH FOR READING THE BIBLE NOT IN THE DAMN SCHOOLS.
So sad we lost separation of church and state
I literally cannot handle it if George Washington becomes a swiftie 😭😭😭
I'm pretty sure that was Jefferson ....:)
When most people think of private schools they think of these big schools with the most expensive things in it. But a lot have trouble trying to stay in the green and provide what the students need.
Or you just have a bad public school and you don't want to pay twice for the right to have a decent education for your children.
@@ohcrap2222 I think you get a better education and freedom of religion in a private school. But the infrastructure and things running that of many private schools need help.
@@NickTheShark_ I agree!
Public baby sitting centers are absolute trash and should be defunded immediately....
But how else will people pawn their kids off of others and still get to go on beach vacations in the summers
Public schools are crucial for children whose parents cannot afford private school. Defunding would means worse education for the vast majority of children.
@@EmperorPalpatine0108 And that's why the school voucher program exists, so low income families can put their kids in the schools that aren't failing.
@@EmperorPalpatine0108 How does it get worse than the literal self destruction/hatred they are "educating" kids with today? If you HATE your kids, send them to public school......it's literally the worst.
@@sempersteel2799aren't those a lottery in which only a small ammount of poor kids can "win"? Who is gonna teach the rest of them if we get rid of public schools? We would be the most illiterate country on the planet with this idea.
Hi, Texan here. It's even worse here in Texas. The government has refused to increase the funding of schools to keep up with inflation for the past 5 years, and qny attempt to give more funding will get vetoed by the governor if there isn't a voucher program implemented in the same law.
Wait till he hears about how much of our taxes go to the military 😂
Not that much tbh
he'll be happy
@@tylerpotts9087 500 billion Is not that much?
@@MasonOfLife The defense budget is around 900 billion dollars and despite all that our production is on an equal level with Russia while spending 10 times more.
It's so inefficient that literally any war will cost us 10x more than our enemy because the enemy just has cheaper production costs.
@@MasonOfLifehave you seen how much we spend on social security and medicare that barely works?!
You know its gonna be bad when Oklahoma is mentioned
What's wrong with Oklahoma in general?
@@shashi43526 depends I've been in there for a while ranges from "GIRAFFE CHIROPRACTOR" to "SHOOTING AT STATE FAIR" it just ranges. Plus there's cooler states around it
governor here in texas (greg abbott) tried to push a bill for private school vouchers back in like december but thankfully it never went through
there was no such thing as public schools back then
Oh Taylor Swift “is that a philosopher” and the sorta afterwords actually had me crying 😂
Parents should be able to send their children to the school of their choice. By making them pay taxes that get sent to public schooling, it means they essentially have to pay two tuitions. Poorly run and overfunded public schools should loose their funding, especially if there is a much better private school that parents choose over it.
Education should be privatized across the board, with the requisite tax cuts to reflect this change. Doing this would allow the majority of religious schools to offer enrollment for free or nearly free.
The real question is, why do we keep throwing money into a system that has clearly not worked? Our education budget has grown massively over the last couple decades yet our education has only gotten worse.
What was the definition of insanity again?
do you truly understand how many people public education has brough people out of hunger, an abusive environment and poverty.
@@pyroneutral Do you truly understand how many students are abused, bullied, and trapped in the school system?
@@pyroneutral if public school systems were so great, the phrase school sucks wouldn't be a thing. Why are you against the parents having a choice where their kids can go to school?
@@pyroneutral OP said, "gotten worse". This does not reached 0.
@@pyroneutral While I agree, there's a reason these voucher programs have passed. Many parents think their public schools are failing to do that.
I have no problem with parents deciding where to send their kids to school. After all, THEY ARE THE ONES PAYING THE TAXES.Also, a government monopoly on schools is a horrible idea.
Those are excellent points and you have actually made me reconsider my opinion on this in a total of 3 sentences. My problem with it is that it allows parents to control what their children are being taught to the point where they might be given untrue information because of their parents incorrect beliefs (like the evolution thing). Although then again it’s not exactly like public schools are teaching everything truthfully either . . .
@@sjfrench8034 what is an "incorrect belief" in this case you cite evolution which is a theory and not a fact
@@sjfrench8034 I agree that the results of public education are the strongest arguments for charter schools. Another thing to recognize is that everyone thinks they are right. I would no more think it is right to force religion on children of atheists as I would to force counter religious ideals on children of people of faith. Freedom requires letting people decide for themselves and their children what is best for them. You can point to extreme examples on each side, but the exception should not make the rule.
@@Captain077 I get that. I think I worry most of all as an lgbtq person with a lot of lgbtq friends, that those children often have school as an escape point from negative households. I’m concerned about what’s being taught, but you’re right that everyone is going to think they’re right. What I truly worry about is the atmosphere of the schools.
Nebraska did this. And then the public got enough petition signatures to get it put on the public ballot. So the government made a NEW law that got around it. So now we had to gather signatures AGAIN
People out here really believe that church and state have to be separated
It should
People = founding fathers
@cody42693 many of the founding fathers were part of state run churches
"So you're returning people's taxes to them so they can pay for their children's education? Bully for you! Huzzah!"
No that's not what happens. Most people don't pay enough school tax to cover private school costs for their kids. Their piddly $3500 a year is not covering their precious kid's $12k education. These parents are STEALING 3x what they pay out.
He... Doesn't like taxes?
My good man, it's time I taught you about something we here in America call *'The Budget of the Military.'*
We spend a vastly smaller portion of our annual budget at the federal level on our military than we did when the state was new. They would have been spending almost everything on the military, whereas we're spending less than a fifty of our budget on it.
In Canada we have the same problem. As a public school teacher I found it frustrating that part of my tax dollars were helping fund a school I couldn’t afford to send my own kids. Makes no sense.
If public schools didn’t push ideological doctrines, people wouldn’t be asking for alternative options.
They don't. I'm a Christian and my kids went to both private and public. The fear mongering abt public school was not true.
Separation of church and state protects us. My faith or any one else's should not make policy or law & the government should not tell you how or who to worship.
Homeschool parents pay taxes for public schools, so if they don't use those schools, why wouldn't they get that money back to put their kid in school? That's what the vouchers are, the estimated cost of putting a kid through public school given back to parents who don't use the public school system.
Me when ny hard earned money is used for private schools for kids to be taught lies
I think this would be a bigger deal if people who didn't send their kids to private schools didn't have to pay school tax.
You skipped the part about the billions going to public school with increasingly worse results.
Wrong
@@tabularasa0606 That's no argument.
More people here need to think about how to get things right and better for outcomes of students not primarily the figure attached this is literally the future of the Nation that's being invested in. Let's figure out what works not how much us being spent. Investing in the next generation will make or break the future. We must stop being so individualistic and myopic.
@9snaga neither program technically works. One depends on taxpayers, and parents to pay out of pocket to do the education. Allowing for smaller student count which means more focus upon the students themselves, whereas the other depends on taxpayers, and donations to even get supplies for their classrooms, while having so many students per class that its almost impossible to focus upon the individual and properly take care of their educational needs. Technically the best step would be a form of homeschooling that supplies a site to study from. A school laptop with no google services, and a lil phone jammer to block phone usage within like 5 feet of the computer lol. While it would be costly, it would be far more beneficial to make a million of these for current, and future students, than constantly expect to have teachers willing to teach each and every year at the amount their making
Because they don't have enough money, at all. Do you think you can get the most up-to-date schools on 1980's budgets?
I mean, it’s not fair for parents to pay taxes for public school and get nothing from them because they want to use a private or home school. Vouchers seem fair to more types of parents.
Public schools have been failing children for decades. Why should public schools be a monopoly?
wait till you see the failure rate of charters and guess where the kids go after they pocket the money.
Not the point. Parents can send kids wherever they want. My money should not be used for it.
@@DABIGDAWG001 but parents who don't use public school have to fund it AND pay tuition? Please try to be consistent when you object you "your" money being spent. There's plenty of things I don't want my tax withholding spent on.
@@JoRobinson-j4p My money pays for the building and maintenance of regular roads. You decide to use a toll road. You made that choice to pay extra, even though the regular road exists. Am I supposed to foot part of your toll bill because of the choice YOU made? That's the difference to me. If a parent wants to pay extra to send their kid to a Christian school, that's on them. It shouldn't be on me.
The thing is, if parents pay taxes, and don't send their kids to public school, that is taxation without representation, you know like the Tea Party. So to be equitable, the government will help parents with sending their kids to an alternative school, or home school. Some choose Charter Schools, like I did, and others choose religious schools. The Charter Schools our daughter went to were secular. They were funded by taxes, they just did education differently. Focusing more on academics and less on everything else. There were different rules, different setting, and the classes were the same. We didn't have to pay money, because we paid taxes/
Separation was not to mean no teaching of Christ among Americans, it was put in there to keep the government from forcing a specific denomination on us.
he forgot to point out how bad public schools are! and that they've been horrible even before private schools became popular!
Public schools getting bad is part of what made private schools popular, it had to come first
.........because we dont pay teachers???? And parents think they own the place and abuse the teachers?
@@druhu4590 Not to mention these vouchers are taking money away from public schools making the slope a bit more slippery...
Because they take everyone. If private schools couldn't select their students they'd do just as bad. It's bs to give them public money when they don't have to accept everyone.
Public schools are underfunded.
I was so delighted to hear that our Parish school had to open up another kindergarten class because there is so much enrollment for the next school year
Yay, more religion
So you think he'd be mad that tax money is going back to individuals so they can choose where their kids are being educated?
They also think that the founders would like the federal government funding education period. They would not have.
I'm Canadian but i personally think that no religious school should receive government funding in any way. They could implement a tax exemption for any religious school so the school isn't taxed but the government should not be funding them in any way with tax dollars. Especially considering the history of schools run by the catholic church.
In Ontario the catholic schools are funded by taxes
@@wyleecoyotee4252 reread the comment.
Founding fathers: next you are going to tell me giants are not real
There is one. His name is Shaquille O'Neil.
Tons of reports showing the more we gave to public schools, the worse the test scores got... So, removing money might make them actually compete now and MAYBE get better...
It's not "freedom 'from' religion", it's "freedom of religion". If the Government mandates by law education, they are required to pay for that law's application.
No it is freedom from religion as well
@@thequacken3226 No way to back that up, it seems.
@@BakingSoda4U curious, you didn’t say that about the original comment despite it being exactly the same in terms of sourcing. Perhaps you have a bias?
@@thequacken3226 The same kind of "bias" you do have, which is based on the ability we all have to believe and think freely. That being said, all language referring to freedom of religion as a right in legal sources words it in that way, not as "from" but "of", so as far as legal text goes, you have no grounding.
@@BakingSoda4U sure buddy, you 100% think for yourself and don’t just parrot what ring wing pundits say. Onto the actual discussion, freedom of religion requires freedom from religion to exist unless you are saying the founding fathers intended on forcing people to have a religion just not forcing a specific one, which is ridiculous.
Lets be real the founding father heads would explode if they heard that mandatory education was a thing.
Separation of church and state doesn't mean what you think it means.
Would they fund muslim schools? Hindu schools? Jewish schools? What happened to being the land of the free.
All religious schools should be illegal imo
Those are included, it's just that christian schools are a majority and a point which the guy didn't included that it is regional due to Religious schools being
1) Already a part of certain communities
2) Better Quality of Education
3) the Big breaker why it is funded is because communities tends to trust religious schools than public schools.
uhh yes? He didnt say specifically christian. He only said "religious".. are Islam, Hinduism, and Judaism not religions to you?
@@HotManJonah i don't know why but I somehow don't see schools like those existing in the spotlight
@@TheBluePhoenix008 Again, Dominant religion is Dominant and Christianity have a long history of creating educational centers since the Fall of Rome, Most Renowned Universities have their origin within the Catholic Church and still are.
Let's say in another country like Lebanon, Who is Majority Muslim you can assume the same with them as Shia (the Second largest sect in Islam) also have a good collection of private schools within the country same with the Maronite Catholic schools and the Druze schools however since the Country is majority Muslim Sunni Schools are more apparent and visible than either Maronite Christian, Druze and Shia.
those taxpayer dollars should’ve gone to expensing that bulletin board
Sad the Separation of Church and State is being destroyed by Christian Republicans.
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I did not know this thank you
If I had a nickel for every time I had a science teacher that was a pastor I would have 2 nickels
I would consider myself a very religious person, but politics corrupts all. When politics become part of the Church, God is put off to the side, and Greed becomes the God. True Christians will be taken advantage of.
Though I am not a devout Christian myself, I admire your willingness to address the difference between religion and policy, and hope that others may be given the same gift of wisdom God has given you
Historically that’s not how the Church has believed though
Perhaps if the public school system had retained their original mandate of teaching practical items to the kids rather than falling into woke political propaganda and failing to even bring kids to a proper grade level for reading, math and comprehension, people wouldn't be fleeing to "religious"" private schools.
Just the word religious school should be enough to get a flashing red warning sign.
Go to Seattle public schools and you’ll change your opinion.
"discuss alternative theories to evolution" is wild thing to, i wonder how they'll do it and what theories they will discuss?
@@rufus6996generally people who say "alternative theories" just mean "not teaching science, actually". they'll probably teach some form of young earth creationism, that's what i've seen taught in a lot of religious homeschooling courses
It’s funny because Darwin himself said it was a good theory but there was no historical evidence of it.
@@matthewread9001 no historical evidence of evolution? Like you mean there's no fossil evidence? If so I've got some big news
Founding fathers: why are there public schools?
Nope, they had them back then
The founding fathers weren’t that against taxes, they just didn’t like that they were being taxed without representation.
and look where we are now
@@Grimmlocked the only problem facing us is the misuse of tax money by soulless politicians only interested in improving the lives of them and their rich corporate patrons.
No, they were against heavy amounts of taxes as well, as most people have always been. When the US formed, it's main method of revenue generation was tariffs.
Even modern day socialists don't like taxes and that's why, after going through every tax reduction strategy possible, Bernie Sanders pays about 14% income tax -- despite making 185k a year (and his wife makes a bit more than that).
@@CanadianEhHole Bernie Sanders isn’t a socialist, he’s a social democrat. Most socialists don’t oppose taxation, because we understand that the tax we pay gets us things that we otherwise wouldn’t have. It’s the price tag of living in a society.
Also, tariffs are effectively just a commerce tax that consumers have to pay.
@@Grimmlocked the modern world? Seems pretty alright to me compared to the state they lived in.
The founding fathers absolutely would have supported parents being able to choose where to send their children, including religious schools
The founders would be appalled we let the federal government control education at all.
Oh no, how dare parents get their tax money back, and send their children to better schools. The absolute horror.
No. The American people should not pay for religious schools. Which are not BETTER.
Don't forget to explain that public schools are abysmal.
WRONG. its the peoples tax money that is transferred to the private school not other peoples money. if the private school costs more then they will have to pay what remains. what a liar.
Can you point out where in the constitution where it says, "separation of church and state"?
Oh it's in there. Trust me bro. I heard about it on Reddit.
The first amendment states that congress may not pass any law regarding the establishment of a religion. This is often interpreted as meaning “separation of church and state” though it could just mean that congress can’t force a religion onto people, but still can favor a religion.
@@woofwufthat’s to keep the government out of religion, not religion out of the government
@@basictrainerlololol wrong. just dead wrong. if you knew anything about the people who inspired and drafted the first amendment - which was itself based on thomas jefferson’s virginia statute on religious freedom - you would never say something this ridiculous
@@woofwuf What it means is that there should be no religion sanctioned by the federal government giving preferential treatment to a (then at that time) state-sponsored religion; one should not be held over by another state unwillingly. There were state-sponsored religions until the 1840s. Why, if the founders didn't want religion intertwined with government, did they accept, say, the state religion in Maryland? The only time separation of church and state is mentioned is in private correspondence between Jefferson and a friend. Even the founders who were the athiest were proponents of religion and Judeo-Christian ethics. The final point is that the Fed has limited power over the entire populace; you couldn't make porn illegal, for example, under the Constitution. Your county, however, has the constitutional power to make something like that illegal. The closer you are to your government, the more constitutional powers they have over your way of life. Also, interpretationalists are dumb, and thats how you get actavist judges; the text means what it says, and if you want it changed, there is an entire branch of the government with 435 members who could change it, as Clarence Thomas has said many times. Also, I've heard that talking point too much, so enjoy this explanation.
I want to live where religious people don’t push their religion on me
Remember, the taxes he is referring to were your money first, NIT the government.
Let's take a step back here, we have public school and private schools. A lot of private schools tend to be religious based. Now, the argument is that tax funds shouldn't help public religious schools?
"Public religious schools" should not exist.
No, the issue here is vouchers being spent on private religious schools.
@ninjanyan1579 are they? like I only commit on videos when I am pooping, but he sounded like he conflated private and public religious schools. Also, I would assume he is talking about Catholic schools.
America is beginning to look so dystopian, almost oligarchic, disenfranchised that it's starting to resemble a third world country.
How about we dont take people's money through taxes and let them use that money to go to school wherever they like😮
I've never been this early to any good video.
"alternative"
*_HOLY SHIT IT'S JESUS ON A STEGOSAURUS_*
Don't be silly; the spinal plates don't let even the LORD sit comfortably on a stego. Obviously, only the T-Rex is worthy to carry the glory of Our LORD.
the goal of the founding fathers wasn't no taxation. or even necessarily low taxation (although that would no doubt be preferred). IT was no taxation without representation.
Classic WP, skewing the facts to push a story. People are putting their kids in private schools due to a failing of public ones, and if we'd just normalize state voucher programs, parents could decide on what schools to send their kids to. They don't have to send their kids to one of the few schools that still teach these outdated, extreme views. In fact, many religious schools are a lot like non-denominational schools, except for some theology classes.