1950s Game Shows Were LAWLESS | Tales From the Bottle
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- Опубликовано: 15 фев 2024
- Game shows were different back in the day, in part because the law had to step in.
"The 1950s quiz show scandals were a series of scandals involving the producers and contestants of several popular American television quiz shows. These shows' producers secretly gave assistance to certain contestants in order to prearrange the shows' outcomes while still attempting to deceive the public into believing that these shows were objective and fair competitions. Producers fixed the shows sometimes with the free consent of contestants and out of various motives: improving ratings, greed, and the lack of regulations prohibiting such conspiracy in game show productions.
The scandals took place at a time when television was still emerging as a medium and had yet to become the established cultural force in American society that it is today. When the behavior of the producers and contestants was exposed, the public reacted with shock. Many expressed concern about the potential for the young medium of television to influence society in negative ways.
In response to the scandals, the government was widely pressured to impose stricter regulations on broadcasters. As a direct consequence, Congress amended the Communications Act of 1934 to prohibit networks from prearranging the outcomes of quiz shows. In the United States, it has since become standard industry practice for game show producers to monitor their own shows closely for cheating and to ensure fairness in play and compliance with broadcasting law to the highest degree possible."
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greg
Why is there a cut in the audio?
We missed you welcome back
Meanwhile the NFL is officially sponsored by gambling websites
This reminds me of the problems Alan Freed ran into when receiving money to play certain records. He's the guy who made rock and roll a household name for all americans. Thats a hefty topic. ;-)
There is an important distinction to be made: rigged game shows are illegal. But call your show a "reality show", like Survivor or Big Brother, and all bets are off.
The law specifically forbids providing secret assistance in an intellectual contest. Reality shows are anything BUT intellectual.
Well yeah reality shows aren’t game shows. They are drama shows
One is won with ‘intelligence or luck’ the other is won by public voting and so it’s not the same
I was just thinking that if the game show is rigged, then they're basically just paid actors. 😂
Actually, according to the way the law is written, ANY televised competition for a substantial prize must be presented fairly. So Survivor does indeed count as a game show.
“KIIIIILLL!” has always been my favourite line 😂
Betterhelp
Ding! Yeah!
I like "thought about killing myself" more
@@schmeegledorfThe edge is sharp.
Look up the time he said "kill MYself!"
"Name a famous Irishman." Mega laughing here.
jonny walker
Cillian Murphy
Liam Neeson.
Conner McGregor
Colin Farrell?
Steve Harvey raising fists after the dude said kill for sex actually has me in tears
My first thought was "beg". I bet that was the answer that had the most points.
@@TheSuperappelflapbeg was number 3 and pay was number 1. Kill was 2nd. It was on screen at 2:06
I know, it's the best RPG menu ever
I'm surprised "lie" wasn't higher on the list... but I guess I shouldn't be, since those guys are liars.
"KILL!" 😂
As someone who even finds _modern_ gameshows to be a chore to watch, I shudder picturing how boring it was in the early days of gameshow television before people knew how to make it "interesting".
I just find it hilarious people think they arent rigged today
@@TheSuperappelflap I don't know, and am not claiming to know, but I have to doubt they're truly rigged. It's literally illegal, it would be so easy to get caught, and how could it be worth going to jail over? Surely, they don't need to rig the shows to get people to watch, do they? Why do you think they are?
@@TheSuperappelflap I mean, do you have proof?
@@Someone-sc2hk Shows like Wheel of Fortune and Jeopardy are real. Shows where there's an elimination like Chopped, Survivor, and Big Brother are staged. If the word "Reality" shows up ANY WHERE about the show it is 100% staged.
@@TheSuperappelflapwhy do you think they are rigged and which ones? Genuinely just curious, the only ones I ever really watched was family feud like 5 years ago with my family.
I canceled US TV/Cable 15 years ago. Nothing of value was lost.
Unfortunately most companies got wise and now to get internet you gotta get cable
@@femmesammy8768 Thankfully my carrier doesn't require that. I believe when I had Comcast that was one of their cons.
oh yeah? you telling me Tiny House Flippers L.A Championship Edition 2069 is worthless?
I taught my kids that TVs where only useful for being catapulted out of a 3rd floor window on riot cops. Useless to say we never had TV in our house. Kids are all grown now, but one of my daughters recently noted that it was about time I get 3rd floor, or higher, flat in time for the next riot. She offered to supply the TV, the 3 others happily added their names to the suppliers list.
If only the internet wasn't becoming just as sanitized and ridiculous.
People like Logan and Jake Paul are millionaires built on the backs of a catalog that consist of things like them AND their Dad making out with blindfolded girls in their backyard, canceling Cable to go to the internet is moving from cancer to a growing tumor.
Did a school project on cheating in game shows. Coincidentally I cheated on my project as well.
Nah, you just represented a big form of Irony in your writing to make the piece more impactful
Yes but you learned how to cheat, and that is what school is all about.
@@LTPottenger I remember I only learned to cheat in college.
I dropped out eventually so dont worry.
But man was it useful to pass classes.
method acting
That is just commitment to the source material.
Steve Harvey yelling "KILL" will forever be my favourite Family Feud clip
Mailing yourself a certified letter like that, what a stroke of genius.
Whenever you are in a shady legal situation, do that. Rent a PO box, and send yourself dated letters, with an accountant or lawyers signature on them.
Emails cant compare even when they are legally admissible.
Called a poor man's copyright. As long as the letter is in a sealed envelope that has been stamped by the government it is proof of timeline as to the point of origin. Only counts in court if it is the Judge opening the envelope, I believe... after being submitted as evidence.
@@TheSuperappelflap There's equivalent digital options for that too these days. But certified letters are still a good option and sound advice.
that was such a big brain move, that lawmakers should have given him a cash prize for giving them the evidence they needed for the win, like winning the Game Show that was defeating crooked Game Shows XD
This is why you only offer to give the answers to the dumb contestants. Who knows what the smart ones will do with them.
Toothpaste in a spray bottle. Genius idea
Everything is better in a spray bottle, let me show you my... nope, I can't think of anything funnier than spray toothpaste.
Better than putting fluoride in the water supply heyooo
@@SlyPearTreeNot as useful as my spray on condom.
@@SlyPearTreeCHEEZ WHIZ!
@@TheSuperappelflapmisinfo. You should enjoy your dose that doesnt consider size or age. Your bones will be damaged but theyll be shiny!
Lets not forget the greatest trivia question of all time. "Whered you get your shades?"
Need to watch that again. I was in TEARS 😂😂😂
The answer to the question at 1:03 is:
Civilization he discovered: Inca Empire
Country: Peru
Leader at the time of Conquest: Atahualpa
Interesting.
Did you know, or did you look it up?
Yeah I knew it too, but the number of things I don't know is rather large.
I was thinking Mayans. Had to google it.
I only _almost_ knew because of Age of Empires III dlc lol
Got two out of three and thoroughly enjoyed the challenge. (Atahualpa rings a bell now you say it, but I'd never have thought of it.)
Thankfully there's a good market in the UK for quiz shows for people who actually like quizzing. University Challenge, Mastermind, Only Connect and on the radio the very originally named 'Round Britain Quiz' all have a range of questions from "just about gettable" to "you'd need to be a human computer".
US advertising especially on Cable is waaaaay worse now. 5 minutes of ads for every 10 minutes or possibly much worse now. The worst thing is it's the same freaking ads every time.
And all adverts are for quack medications and fast food
@@LTPottenger that's how they get you! fatten em up then put em on diet pills
Thank gawd for our rules in the UK. If you show ads (not every channel does), you can only show them for 12 minutes in an hour (that's the hour on the clock rather than a random 60 minutes strung together). And our advertisers know that if they show naff ads, we go put the kettle on and make tea. Doesn't mean we don't get naff ads, but we get a higher proportion of good ones.
People still watch cable tv? Weird.
@@y_fam_goeglyd yeah I don't agree the UK does everything right but that's definitely the best call imo. Having strict rules on advertisements makes TV and the ads much better.
The Twenty One game show scandal was actually made into a movie called Quiz Show(1994) staring Ralph Fiennes and John Turturro.
Great movie
yup. when the quiz/show biz didn't work out, he went on to stick fighting a teenage boy and eventually lost at it too
There was a quiz show in the UK in the 2000s called Stake Out which claimed that contestants put up £250 of their own money to potentially win £25,000. The producers were told that this would not be deemed legal and so had to stump up the money themselves. If they hadn't done that, they'd likely be in trouble with the Independent Television Commission and the Police.
In the U.S., you have to, by law, pay people for being on your show at all. At least, if they talk, you do. Could they do a show where they paid them their fee for being on the show, then require them to risk that fee to play? 🤷
@@TroubleToby3040I'm no legal expert, but I'd say no. I don't think any competent judge would let that slide.
Luckily for shiesty lawyers around the world, competent judges are a rarity in the U.S, so they'd probably get away with it.
I worked a few years in the french building of CBC (The Canadian national television) and during my break I went to a studio to watch one of these game show. Basically there was two teams competing by answering questions and the money won was going to a "good cause". I remember this guy is asked a question and give the wrong answer so he doesn't get any points, then the host say there was a technical problem so he ask the same question to the same guy, obviously the guy knows the answer now so he just say it and win this round... I was a bit mad to see this, that's pretty much like cheating but the money isn't going to this guy and whoever win the money will go to a good place... I only watched like 10-15 minutes on this show and this happened so I'm assuming these situations must be happening quite a lot.
@@Alfred-Neuman
I've seen them give very strong hints on celebrity charity game shows before in Australia... It's usually done in a comedic fashion, and the money is basically a fixed donation to charities anyway, but with a gameshow shaped entertainment package for people to watch.
I can't imagine the authorities going after them for rigging a charity gameshow against themselves so they donate more... that would just be weird😂
Surprised you didn't mention the movie Quiz Show (1994). It documents a lot of what went on between Van Doren and Stimpel.
Love that movie! Ralph Fiennes did an excellent job portraying Charles Van Doren.
Good movie! Watched several times, me. Weird wording, that. Can't seem to stop... Me.
Brilliant movie
@@A_DuckyJohn Tuttoro was also good as Herb Stemple.
Robert Redford did really well as a director.
+1 and thanks for raising that. I started thinking about this film partway though and you've saved me from looking it up to see if was about Van Doren and Stimpel.
You know the worst part was Charles father Mark von Doren is also a professor at Columbia University so you can imagine his disappointment to find out his own son involvement in the Quiz show scandal since not only Charles is his son but also his colleague
📖 A History of Knowledge by Charles Van Doren 1991. That book really opened my mind as a teenager. He’s done okay.
Never knew that.
No one needs to know this, but it was pronounced with a soft G like it was Jeritol. Fun episode!!
Thanks, it was killing me. I'm old enough to have seen the TV commercials.
Same as in "geriatric."
I needed to know this!
And gif.
@@defskiNuh uh.
A day is always good when there's a Qxir upload.
So true
That caricature of Merv Griffin was SPOT ON!!! You could have shown that caricature without mentioning Merv Griffins name and I would have probably have guessed it was him.
Nerd.
@@jffry890 so childish. If you're an adult then it's even a worse look for you
You missed the darling Patty Duke. When she 13 yrs old she won big on a quiz show. And she testified in the hearings about her winning.
When she was asked ‘is what you said true?’ She broke down and said no. She was coached.
Patty Duke was a pretty big star child actor.
NY Post front page of Nov 4, 1959: THEY EVEN FIXED THE KID.
Who would've guessed...
The producers behind the idiot box were ACTUAL idiots this whole time.
Shallow, fake, and consumed by greed. Still applies.
my favorite game show from that era is "What's my line?" its just such a fun little show. most of it is on youtube too. almost as good as a qxir video.
For me it's "Beat the Clock". The physical challenges they made for contestants looked like they were figured out minutes before the cameras started rolling, and the show was blatantly sponsored by SYLVANIA! Brutalmoose did a great video on it.
There was a show sponsored by Sylvania and some skillet maker, but it was just a flash in the pan.
If Im not mistaken, whats my line was hosted by the great Groucho Marx, a man with a great quick wit.
@@mjfan653 It was hosted by John Charles Daly, but Groucho did appear on the show as a celebrity contestant.
As an Irish expat this channel makes me miss the old lad that just told stories back in the local so much.
That guy exists everywhere, my friend. Are you in the U.S.? There's a guy in every bar (pub) telling stories non-stop. I stay away from that guy like the plague, but some people love him. 🤷
What’s the difference between an expat and an immigrant?
@goldenfiberwheat238 status/money. Usually expats are relocated for work or financial interests of some sort, and an immigrant is searching for a better life and looking to put down roots. Or that's how I've always seen it
@@goldenfiberwheat238one of them is an immigrant and the other is an expat
@@dcf8978 that explains nothing
The category is
"People who annoy you"
10 seconds Mr. Marsh
"Just some egghead." Tell that to Ken Jennings! 😂
Greedy corporations often fail to see the value of ethical behaviour, until they are legally required to.
Required? You mean forced.
@@MrGrumblierDistinction without a difference.
@@foxymetroid Not really. Legal requirements are ignored all the time. It is only when the public spotlight and outrage are focused on them that corporations are forced to abide by the law.
@@MrGrumblierThere wasn’t anything illegal in what they were doing until the public got outraged when they found out so there wasn’t any legal requirements at all. So once the public found out only then were laws made to prevent this from happening again.
@@Mario87456 I wasn't referring to the game show scandal in particular. I was talking about corporations in general.
That's so weird. I just went on an old game shows 'accidental gaffs' binge 😂
“You successfully hit metal 17 times so you are now proud owner of this: photograph of motorcar”
“I am happy”
“But property is theft so you are now under arrest”
“Fair enough”
@ 9:21 is the definitely the look of "This is not going to go well" lol
“Name a famous Irishman - Qxir” bro that was classic 😂😂😂😂😂
In 1953 $50,000 a year is $574,000 a year today.
So Herb could still have walked away like a king.
Game show ads used to be constant …..
RUclips : hold my beer son
I love your voice and your style of videos ❤️ perfect combo for success on youtube
I never thought I would enjoy an Irishman talk about 50s game shows, but I do enjoy it.
Imagine trying to learn all those facts before the age of the Internet. It's something we kinda take for granted now, just how easy it is to access and learn encyclopedic amounts of information
Before the internet if you were bored there were only about 4 options.
1. Go outside and dig a hole.
2. Flick to a random page of an encyclopaedia.
3. Masturbate to the memory of the girl on the bus.
4. Use a screwdriver and glue to try fix your broken lamp.
I didn't have internet until I was about 12, so I'm speaking from experience.
But now? Now all I do is doom scroll, pretending I'm learning stuff but I'm not really.
Another important thing Jeopardy did to revive quiz shows was lessen the prize money. Sums like $64,000 were massive back in the 50s - adjusted for inflation, it would be around $700,000 today. Jeopardy doesn't let contestants score anywhere near that amount of money in a single game, and the lower stakes made people far more receptive to giving quiz shows another chance. It's also why it had a five day limit for contestants initially.
toothpaste in a spray bottle makes me think of Lynx doing a bit of blue sky thinking and branch out
Got here early. Honestly, compared to what you would see today, earlier game shows were such an appeal because of how reckless and often chaotic they got.
1:55 oh shit I’ve never seen the context behind Steve Harvey yelling *“KILL!”*
Quiz Show is a great dramatization of Van Doren and Stempl. That's a funny clip of Stempl at the end.
They were before my time, but looking back at game shows from the 70s and 80s via the use of streaming services and RUclips, I feel like those decades were like the golden age of game shows. One of my favorites from that era, Match Game, showed that game shows were not only game shows for their own sake, but they were also a place for celebrities to just hang out, be themselves, and just be silly and goofy without needing to be in character for any form of show and movie. If you haven't, go find ways to watch Match Game 73-79, and Match Game PM 75-81. You'll see what I mean.
They aren’t being themselves. They’re acting the way their agents and producers told them to act
Slide it Earl!!!!!!
Uh, am I the only one with muted audio at 8:08? No one can deny what?
The movie Quiz Show (1994) is a great dramatisation of the 21 scandal.
I'm so glad this whole fiasco was covered here, it's such a fascinating story. There's a 1994 movie about this exact thing called "Quiz Show" that's relatively accurate as far as I know
Brilliant movie that one is
Fats Waller's "This Joint Is Jumpin'" is great background music for this episode. 😸
The audios messed up in the clip before 8:37
Geritol pronounced "jeritol". I grew up in the 1960s, and they advertised everywhere !
"Thanks, (J)eritol!" It was well into the 80s it was advertised. And now, as a geriatric, I have to use it!😜
Ha ha I loved it when you said that advertising isn't as prevalent nowadays, just when they cut to the adverts every minute's 🤣
1:22
The Inca, Peru, Atahualpa
Absolutely wild that you used wheel of fortune as your game show analogue/default, and not countdown
My dad used to work on game shows back then. He said it was an open secret that they were all rigged (at least the ones filmed in New York). Every single one of them.
My Fridays are always fun when I see your videos. They can be funny or sad. But always intertaining.
It's always a good day with a tale from the bottle. Love your work mate. Cheers ❤
Another excellent episide Qxir. A great way to start a Saturday morning downunder. Thankyou.
Seems like there’s an audio issue between 8:12 - 8:23.
Love your work!
Cheers!
Copyright ©
Not just me then, okay.
Saved me posting it.
I think the lipstick ad only played in the right channel, I had only my left earbud in and the sound came back when I played on speakers
No one can deny that- *demon noises*
Judges can compel "specific performance" -- that is, to carry out a specific part of a contract.
I can only recommend the 1994 movie Quiz Show, which is about the 21 scandal.
You’ve got great art stuff! The simple unique style really exemplifies your voice and all; brilliant. I enjoyed ‘What’s My Line’ when I was a kid.
According to legend his dad wasn't mad, he was in fact just disappointed...
Carl Barks once made a Donald Duck cartoon story about these Radio/TV quiz gameshows, the story being 'The Crazy Quiz Show' from 1949. It's a satirical take, complete with the ridiculous over-the-top advertisement and all. In the story, the nephews get super easy questions and win their prices, while the questions Donald himself ends up getting all extremely hard and pretty much impossible.
0:40 You have a clip of Noel Edmonds. I believe a contestant was killed in a stunt in one of his game shows.
He was, it was a stunt gone wrong on the Late, Late Breakfast show.
Randy Mash: "I'd like to solve the puzzle"
It was missing an A, not an R
I'm always amazed by your drawing ability. Your animations are incredible. I wish I could draw like you.
2:02 “KILL!”
Pretty sure a $1.25 in the 50's is around $30 yikes!
ya but you get both 👍
Very entertaining. I was a "Jeopardy!" contestant in 2005, and yeah, everything was squeaky clean and aboveboard! One minor nit - "Geritol" is pronounced with a soft "G". 🙂
The YTP of that Family Feud round is one of my all time favourites.
0:54- everyone says Qxir to themselves together
3:04- toothpaste used to come in a old boot.
A coupke of Van Doren's brothers & there friend started Vans sneakers.
Merv Griffin was a genius.
It's weird that Jeopardy was thought of as a way to prevent cheating, but inverting the format of the questions doesn't prevent cheating at all...
It's also retarded when they just leave the question mark off the question and make them say "what is" in front of the answers.
Jeopardy couldn’t prevent most other kinds of cheating but can only prevent the worst kind of cheating known to society, that’s all.
Hearing you say “Garitol” makes me feel ooooold. 🤣
"nerds aren't fabulous"
Wait until Doctor Who debuts, Mac.
My gramdmother took (Jeritol) Geritol, I think it was liquid vitamins for old people because of the etymology of the name. I never tasted it but now I'm really curious.
...Oh wow, it still exists, it's B vitamins and iron.
Inca, Peru, Atahualpa, next question!
You would Inca for sex?
I nailed the Pizarro question, i should sign up for a 50's game show.
They made a movie about this. Called "Quiz Show." It's pretty good.
I cannot describe to you how hard my heart fell at the Francisco Pizarro question. I’m a history guy so I confidently said “the Inca” and sat down in horror as the rest of the questions came.
Horror? The second answer is Peru and the third is Tupac I think
@@goldenfiberwheat238but Tupac was shot in a gang shootout
@@kotzpenner different Tupac
@@goldenfiberwheat238 yeah i was jokin
@@kotzpenner oh
8:08 corrupted audio
My grandma (who passed away 27-ish years ago) was on Queen For A Day, and I'd pay good money to see that episode. I've never seen her as a younger person. Much less my extended family and grandpa on TV.
Check "the internet archive" possibly even chatGPT might have archived it.
I would start by quoting her name and finding out the episode number before trying to download it
A shot of Qxir after work. Perfect
Early game shows may be bad, but I will never get over the episode of “what’s my line” where all four celebrities are so bougee that, despite staring colonel sanders in the face, they cannot figure out that his job is “I own KFC”
Really? What the absolute heck?
4:27 69k in 1956 is like 750k in 2024. Pretty spicy!
This was interesting. Thank you for producing and sharing. : )
This episode was fantasxtic. Really love the long videos.
Anyone remember MXC? I know it's way more recent than the 50's but still, shit was crazy
Sure do, used to watch it when Spike TV was a thing and later on Twitch for a time, but it's been awhile.
Definitely remember. It’s a joke dub of Takeshi’s Castle, a Japanese game show. There’s even an episode of Pokémon (in Diamond & Pearl) based on it. I wonder if MXC helped convince the writers Western audiences would get the reference.
A quibbling but important product point: The OTC liquid is pronounced JERR-i-tol, not Gerr-i-tol, as its name is derived from geriatric, elder med/issues. (Only pointing out the research issue for you to avoid errors in the future.
duuuuuude that deal or no deal clip killed me, what a dafty
Stellar job, as always!
No way they made a show called “9+10”
My guess for the question at 1:20 would be - "The Incan Civilization, Peru and Atahualpa".
I know it's Incans and Peru, but I was going to say Tupac Amaru.
@@nicholasweaver2374 Yea it could be Tupac, Atahualpa was the only leader I could remember.
Oh is that what they meant by period. I thought they wanted 2 year numbers that it happened in between.
Man my history exams were brutal, 15 years later and Im still conditioned.
"The country the civilization was in" part of the questions sucks. It spanned across ~6 modern day countries.
@@FloorFourteen that just makes it easier. if you said Mexico it would also be correct, no? Or maybe that was the Mayas. Im not good on south american history.
6:13 I'm not surprised Marty is the nerd's favorite film. I mean I liked it too and I'm a nerd as well lol
8:54 goddamn that car dependent infrastructure is hitting
Bring these back lmao
Stemple and Van Doren both lived to 93.
I enjoyed this video very much! But I've enjoyed pretty much every video you have posted. Thank you, and God save Ireland
wtf is supposed to be going on at @8:15?
I thought I was the only one who noticed!!
He played the game show footage as such he played the audio as it was i assume
Futurama
Audio glitch at 8:10 :(
it's not a glitch. he intentionally cut off his voice to let the host finish his sentence. hes making a joke about the incessant advertising
That's just creative editing. "No-one could deny that, for the price of ordinary lipstick..."
For me the advertising also sounds glithced
@@litterpicker1431Not sure how you made out that audio, for me it just sounds like random sounds, not like a human voice.
If it was playing a recording of the shows audio it might of been flagged as copyrighted content, hence why it's just cut out
Imagine a world where you’ve seen your favorite movie 3 whole times.
4:07 reminded me of when your starting a co-op game in battleblock theater and Hatty has all your players on strings, you should totally work for behemoth if they make a sequel to that game your art style would fit right in