A seasoned carpenter built our home ,3800 sq ft, 7 on 12 slope , hip roof with a 4 on 12 bell around entire roof. he cut everything on a pair of saw horses with only a pencil and framing square (No calculators) , did a little math but nothing this extreme. I don't think that framers could do all of this math and get anything done without a lot of mistakes, But you know your stuff and thanks for a great video.
This is the best roof rafter math that I viewed. Particularly find the modulus of "5 in and 13 in" (right this case) first then to get rise and rafter length. Smart!
I am coincidentally building a roof right now. I'm finding that there is FAR too much variability in pretty much every measurement to rely on any math like that, though. So I settled on a much simpler method. I have a jig that is pre-cut to my 4:12 pitch and it has a mark on it for 8" to represent my "height above plate" (the rafter area just above the seat cut). I then measure from the ridge to the outer edge of the crown plate and whatever measurement that is is transferred to the upper tip of the new rafter down to wherever it meets up with the 8" mark on my jig. Strike a line there plus do a quick 90 degree line for seat cut. A couple quick cuts and voila, a rafter that fits perfectly, regardless of any variability in anything else.
Convert everything to inches and when you find half the span take off thickness of ridge when you do your pitch and get the square root divide by 12 that gives u diagonal per inch of run then multiply by your run in inches and take it to the fourth decimal which is what a 1/16 is .0625 and your only off by a 1/16 thats the easiest way of course thats that top running length so you height above plate doesnt change anything and you add whatever overhang you need some people try to be to smart for their own good
All you do is multiply 4/12×4/12=16/144add together =160 find square root=12.6491106040divide by 12 =1.0540925533×by 119.25 instead of 120 cause u take off 3/4 for thickness of ridge and you get 125.70053699take that round to fourth decimal =120inches and 11/16 cause thats 120.6875 that means you are within a 1/32 that is top running length so you would add your overhang of ccourse and whatever height above plate
Great job well explained wishing are young students inspiration on trying this on a simple structure like a dog house. We need more carpenters in this world today
This is a great explanation. Thank you! What if I need a 18” eave? Do I add 18” to the run and 6” to rise if I’m using 4:12 pitch and then use Pythagorean theorem with new units to calculate the rafter length?
Yes, It should work or let the rafter tails extend past a little and after installation, you can measure, layout and cut to length without any formulas.
good day. i am little bit confused. lets say we always have the length of our horizontal timber and to get our vertical we always use different numbers or there is a standard? or we take length of mid point and multiply with a specific number to get or vertical distance?
I would go to our website and watch more videos on roof framing. Some numbers are used by designers and builders, but they don't always need to be used by do it yourselfer's. www.homebuildingandrepairs.com/math/roof/index.html
Greg, I am going to build a house similar to this. I am going to put 4' pony walls on the exterior wall and then put the rafters on top of the pony walls. I do not want the pony walls to push outwards. Can you guide me to a site which tells me where to locate my rafter ties? I would like a height of 6' 8" from floor to rafter tie. Any assistance would be welcomed.
I cannot provide you with any type of engineering information, but can recommend that you go to the website and check out the engineering, wall, roof and ceiling framing videos.
@@gregvancom Thank you for the reply. I appreciate your videos and all of the time you put into making them. Great information for those of us who have the yearning to build a house, yet not have the exact technical knowledge to complete every task. Your videos make life easier.
how about a simple triangle calculator ? You know the botton lenght 10 ft you know two angles angle 90 degrees and the pitch angle you know the 40 inches measuement why do you complicate it ?
A seasoned carpenter built our home ,3800 sq ft, 7 on 12 slope , hip roof with a 4 on 12 bell around entire roof. he cut everything on a pair of saw horses with only a pencil and framing square (No calculators) , did a little math but nothing this extreme. I don't think that framers could do all of this math and get anything done without a lot of mistakes, But you know your stuff and thanks for a great video.
Awesome.
This is the best roof rafter math that I viewed. Particularly find the modulus of "5 in and 13 in" (right this case) first then to get rise and rafter length. Smart!
The conversions between feet and inches and between fractions and decimals make a good argument for us switching over to the metric system.
I don't know if that would be enough.
@@gregvancom it would be more than enough, all is 10, 100, 1000 simple no fractions
I am coincidentally building a roof right now. I'm finding that there is FAR too much variability in pretty much every measurement to rely on any math like that, though. So I settled on a much simpler method. I have a jig that is pre-cut to my 4:12 pitch and it has a mark on it for 8" to represent my "height above plate" (the rafter area just above the seat cut). I then measure from the ridge to the outer edge of the crown plate and whatever measurement that is is transferred to the upper tip of the new rafter down to wherever it meets up with the 8" mark on my jig. Strike a line there plus do a quick 90 degree line for seat cut. A couple quick cuts and voila, a rafter that fits perfectly, regardless of any variability in anything else.
Good idea and thanks for sharing.
Muy buen video
Como puedo hacer para ver tus videos subtitulados al espanol amigo Me seria de mucha ayuda
Legit teachings!! Thanks for sharing 🙏🏾
Thanks, this help me a lot, you makes it’s easy to understand.
Glad it helped!
You are a real good teacher thank you
I appreciate that!
Really informative, the best example I have ever seen, thanks
Wow, thanks!
Convert everything to inches and when you find half the span take off thickness of ridge when you do your pitch and get the square root divide by 12 that gives u diagonal per inch of run then multiply by your run in inches and take it to the fourth decimal which is what a 1/16 is .0625 and your only off by a 1/16 thats the easiest way of course thats that top running length so you height above plate doesnt change anything and you add whatever overhang you need some people try to be to smart for their own good
All you do is multiply 4/12×4/12=16/144add together =160 find square root=12.6491106040divide by 12 =1.0540925533×by 119.25 instead of 120 cause u take off 3/4 for thickness of ridge and you get 125.70053699take that round to fourth decimal =120inches and 11/16 cause thats 120.6875 that means you are within a 1/32 that is top running length so you would add your overhang of ccourse and whatever height above plate
Great job well explained wishing are young students inspiration on trying this on a simple structure like a dog house. We need more carpenters in this world today
Glad it was helpful!
This is a great explanation. Thank you!
What if I need a 18” eave? Do I add 18” to the run and 6” to rise if I’m using 4:12 pitch and then use Pythagorean theorem with new units to calculate the rafter length?
Yes, It should work or let the rafter tails extend past a little and after installation, you can measure, layout and cut to length without any formulas.
Love framing roofs.
Yes, the more complicated the better.
good day. i am little bit confused. lets say we always have the length of our horizontal timber and to get our vertical we always use different numbers or there is a standard? or we take length of mid point and multiply with a specific number to get or vertical distance?
I would go to our website and watch more videos on roof framing. Some numbers are used by designers and builders, but they don't always need to be used by do it yourselfer's. www.homebuildingandrepairs.com/math/roof/index.html
Good stuff, what size were thickness and width were the rafters 2x6 or 2x7? How did you work that out, Cheers
This is excellent, thanks for posting!!
Glad you enjoyed it!
Greg, I am going to build a house similar to this. I am going to put 4' pony walls on the exterior wall and then put the rafters on top of the pony walls. I do not want the pony walls to push outwards. Can you guide me to a site which tells me where to locate my rafter ties? I would like a height of 6' 8" from floor to rafter tie. Any assistance would be welcomed.
I cannot provide you with any type of engineering information, but can recommend that you go to the website and check out the engineering, wall, roof and ceiling framing videos.
@@gregvancom Thank you for the reply. I appreciate your videos and all of the time you put into making them. Great information for those of us who have the yearning to build a house, yet not have the exact technical knowledge to complete every task. Your videos make life easier.
Good work I appreciate your time thx
My pleasure!
The mathematics is mind-boggling
Ah come on!!!!!
Great example thank you
Glad you liked it!
Thank you so much, excellent.
You're very welcome!
Loved It!
Glad you liked it.
Please explain slope & pitch
See if this helps ruclips.net/video/Dngixmz41Qs/видео.html
My head started spinning
I was there about 40 years ago.
how about a simple triangle calculator ?
You know the botton lenght 10 ft
you know two angles angle 90 degrees and the pitch angle
you know the 40 inches measuement
why do you complicate it ?