Excellent video. It took me way too long to find one like this. Everyone else's videos are just them riding around and chatting. You are actually showing the bike, the features, and doing a nice compare and contrast. Thank you =)
+Eric Schmidt thanks for the note. That being said, some people prefer the "GO Pro" style videos. Since i grew up pouring over motorcycle magazines i always like close up comparisons where the camera focuses in on specific features.
I think that depends a lot of the "videographer" Riders that used the Go Pro or other "action" type camera unfortunately leave the internal mic live and all you hear is wind noise. There are a few though that make very good "riding" videos, they use either a wired mic or a bluetooth adapter on the camera and use their helmet sound system. Some just disable the built in mic and dub music over the video...I must say I have done it that way on a couple of rides.
Eric Halsall This. I spent a good hour researching the bike on RUclips yesterday and couldn't find a single decent review and then today this pops up in recommended. I was actually going to skip it given yesterday's experience but I'm very glad I didn't.
Outstanding video. I get dizzy watching "helmet cam" reviews, mainly because of the constant camera motion. None of that nonsense here. Stable, fixed camera views with a commentator that can actually articulate and help visualize important aspects of the machine. This video actually reviews the bike's features, and compares it to other bikes to give you a reference point. Great job!
Agree with below, what a great review and thoughtful commentary. thanks so much for taking the time. I'm one of those K1600 vs. 1200rt people searching for info and you helped a lot.
Just started looking at adding a touring bike to my lineup and came across this review. This should be a mandatory video, for anyone that puts out motorcycle reviews, to watch before they can post to youtube. Well done sir!
I rode a GT and RT back-to-back at the weekend and totally agree with your findings. The GT's engine is boss, but the RT has plenty of go, wonderful comfort and much better handling than any other tourer on the market today. Amazing motorcycle...
Nice video. I just sold my 07 Goldwing and currently eyeing the RT or FJR as a replacement. I also own a 07 r1200r so familiar with the BMW. Test drove the 17 Rt and instantly enjoyed the pep of the new engine and handling. Thanks for the video.
Very good video. Short but articulate, hitting most points people want to know about. I am very happy that you added the differences between the 1200RT and K1600. Take care.
Great presentation and overview. I've been looking at a few options in the sport touring group to potentially replace my cruiser and this video helped me understand some of the unique features of the BMW.
Excellent review. I liked the way you did it in the garage with the door closed, eliminating unnecessary noise disturbance. I just don't understand why other people choose to do their review on the move with lowering and raising their helmet's shield every 10 seconds. Very unprofessional and stupid. Beside, it gives it a better taste to see the reviewer's face.
I love my current bike,a 2014 R1200gs TE.It has just 1300 miles on it but despite keeping spotlessly clean and coating it with ACF50 after every wash and blow dry,the engine and final drive are badly affected by corrosion. I am now looking for a brand new bike.I have test ridden so many new machines that I have lost count.One bike has stood out head and shoulders above the rest,you guessed it,it's the RT.It rides beautifully and looks superb from every angle.The top specification model here in the UK, is the RT LE and with the extra's I want,It comes in at a little over £17500.RT forums in the UK,are full of owners complaints about corrosion on these bikes,indeed it seems these bikes corrode quicker than any other bike in the BMW range.Until BMW improve the quality of their bikes,I am afraid as much as I would love to buy the new RT, I am not prepared to spend this amount of money on a bike with such a serious issue.
Great review. Saw one yesterday while out riding the R9T. There's too much I'd miss about the 9T but would jump on one of these (or something that could handle snow) in a hot minute is finances were perfect.
im always excited when you upload a new video. I'm looking to purchase the GTL this year and mostly because of your videos. I've come from a Harley Davidson so really looking forward to the GTL. Thanks for the awesome videos you do.
+Wingman Games Thanks for the note. You will like the GTL, as it is very well equipped even in base form. If you buy used ensure that all the recalls have been performed.
came from a 2014 Goldwing Valkyrie and love the RT. Having the same performance with a lighter bike was right for me. Torque down low is a little less tha the Valk but the RT has plenty.
Very detailed video, not sure how I missed this for all these years. I'm currently riding a Triumph bonneville t100. Wanted to upgrade from Triumph to Honda Goldwing. But now I'm drifting away for this motorcycle. But just worried about the weight and the maintenance cost of BMW.
I recently found your channel and saw your 2009 review. The review was excellent. And I kept watching your vids until I saw this one, just recently posted. You should get paid for these reviews! You look a little wiser now but still in great shape, so great Job! Thanks for putting all the time into these videos! I am curious to see what you think about the GS....
+Daniel Pinedo I will tell you honestly that if I could get the same wind protection on the GS I would own one, no question. The GS represents, to me the ultimate motorcycle. It does everything. Period. Although my back ground, all those years ago, is in the dirt, I ride mainly on the street. There is an appeal to me to be able to explore regions in my area that are far away from the beaten path. I have been promised a GSA in June for a week. I hope to post up some videos.
+kiki231000 I really look forward to that...I am a cruiser guy and currently have a Victory CCT. I love being laid back and lounging...but I am tired of the huge heavy bike and the heat from air-cooled engines...thus my quest for something lighter, more nimble, with modern engine technology...After watching your vids I went to test ride the RT this past friday...the engine is fantastic and it handles out of this world, but I can't stand my knees bent like that (I have bad knees) and being on my tippy toes when standing still...so my next stop will be the GS, possibly lowered, with highway pegs and see how that works from me. I know a few cruiser guys that now own GS's and swear by them, so its worth a shot.
Thank you so much for getting back to me I do love the reviews . I just picked up my bike yesterday an epic adventure haven't had a chance to look my owners manual over I thought perhaps there was some sort of setting that I was missing to cause the lights to flicker thank you for explaining look forward to more videos . I do have another question is there by chance a setting to allow the windshield to stay in an High position versus lowering itself every time you power off?Thank you again
That is a very nice bike. How is your vision thru those mirrors? For many netizens, they seem awfully located too way down. Do you have any issues with them?
I have not had a problem with my mirrors. I also owned a previous generation RT, and it too had low mirrors, which i didn't have a problem with. MY riding buddy who has the same bike prefers a second set of mirrors mounted up high and they do help considerably.
Hi Chris, first I have to say that you are making me a Bmw fan without owing one yet, and I thank you for that. Now out of curiosity since you have had a 2009 rt and as I recall you have some experience with a 2009 k1300gt, how do you match them up and if you were to buy one, which one will you chose.
There are significant differences between the bikes. Functionally, the big difference for me is the fit of the bike. I am an average size guy in every respect -- 6ft, 32" inseam. The RT fits me perfectly. The GT (13, or 16) seems to fit taller riders better (my 6'3" buddy loves his GT). Aside from that, the RT is lighter and less powerful, but it has an engine note and character that is very unique (much like a tractor), which i prefer.
Excellent video in every way. Nice job. I've been thinking about getting one of these. Wanted to start touring and I figured this was as big as I wanted to go. Also considering the FJR. It seems to have nearly all the features in the base price. Have you ridden that bike? So,aAll that technology and awesomeness on the RT and the best feature is a center stand? LOL.
+mgelliott1 The FJR is a great motorcycle, and I bought a new one in 2005 and kept it for 4 years and really liked it. You will see several Iron Butt riders on FJR's as well, so it clearly is popular with those people. The RT has a few more features that are not available on the Yamaha. Heated seat, larger side bags, audio system, extra power outlets, central locking, keyless operation, Bluetooth , and Cruise control come to mind. The Yamaha has full LED lighting, and although it does not have a "dynamic" suspension adjustment like the RT, it has an electronic controlled unit with very fine adjustments. Here in Canada , most of those RT advantages are optional, which pushes up the price. so my comparison is not really fair. HOWEVER-- all these gizmos don't mean anything compared to how they run, and for that you need to take the time to ride each on the demo days that both manufacturers offer. That difference is staggering-- and which comes out on top depends on you and only you. For me that puts the RT in a whole different league. By the way, they both have a centre stand. it sounds foolish that i like that so much, but i really do-- its fantastic!!
Chris, I've owned an RS and 3 GSes. Now I ride a 2006 FJR1300. You refer to the RT differences to the FJR as staggering. Could you elaborate on that please? I have loved all these bikes but got spooked by the potentially high cost of repairs on the BMW. Thanks
I dont mean "staggering" in that one is better than the other, i mean it more in their character. But its admittedly quite subjective, so I recommend you test ride the RT against what you are currently riding. BMW has ride days booked already for 2017, so now is the time to plan. On repair costs, you are correct. They are pricey if you let the dealer do the work. I do my own, so this is not so important to me. On brand loyalty-- because many accuse me of being a loyal BMW fellow-- I am not. I have owned more Yamaha's than any other brand, followed by Kawasaki and Suzuki. I am partial to the Asian bikes. But when it comes to how i like the ride, i can objectively prefer BMW.
Excellent review! What I've noticed when i test ride the bike is that the speakers sound diminish above 120 km/h and the seat was low that made me feel cramped because im 6 ft tall. No Bluetooth and Other than that the bike is perfect.
As with previous models the adaptive lighting is excellent as long as it doesnt fail its hard to get to and the bulb is expensive to replace.The Exclusive and possible the RTL have the auxilluary lights but to be honest I dont really use them much as they are to low to provide adequate lighting to the road ahead,your better getting 3rd partyspots mounted under the mirrors or attached to third party engine protection bars. I quite like the added wind deflectors under the main screen as the older models did have buffeting from this area on a basic screen alone.Some have complained about the keyless filler on the previous model and changed it out or disabled the locking system so I wonder if they have altered the software timings on this model? Moving the side pockets to the top in a similar place to the Pan European is a goos idea as they are more usuable, do they still suffer from overheating of any electronics left in them?
Very nice review especially what I was interested in the comparison to the 1600. I will test drive both if possible but now I am leaning toward the 1200 because it is lighter. My last bike was an Aprilia 1000 RSVR so I am used to twin. Now I want to do more touring.
I rode my brothers K1600 recently on a one week touring trip I admit i loved the power on the open road better than the RT but, after that, I prefer the RT all round Touring, around town and in general I'm a previous owner of a 2005 & 2006 RT1200 always afraid of there problems (abs failure and transmission problems) I hope the LC RT1200 is problem free 👍
After putting 50,000 mi.on a used 1200 LT,I went all out on a new 1600 GTL. I like the RT but I thought after being accustomed to the larger K bike I should go with the GTL. Would like to have both. Chris any more videos on after market speakers for GTLs ?
Hi Chris thanks for posting as its interesting, even though I is out of my price range. I currently ride a GS1200 08 Reg over here in the UK and generally leave the panniers off so can I ask whether you think the panniers on this make it more difficult to filter through traffic as they too look wide. Thanks again .
I have never had a problem in tight quarters with the bike and I rarely have the panniers off. The mirrors are the widest part of the bike, so when riding between objects I use them as a guide. Additionally, I have found that my legs are almost as far out as the plastic.
Looking to replace 2003 k1200rs due to comfort issues. Love the bike but after 30 mins male parts go numb. I always feel as though I am sliding forward into tank. Curious of the seat angle (and peg position) on the RT compared to the RS.
Nice review, I am being tempted by the new RTs but my 2012 is so much more capable a bike than I am a rider that it will do me for a few more years. Still nice to dream about the next bike.
Hello quick question I'm sorry I didn't read all the posts your halo lights the flickering is that just the camera causing that effect.Thanks for your TIME
That is the camera. This is a common illusion when watching videos of LED lights (which the Halos are). LED lights actually "strobe" , but it is so fast that we cannot perceive it. It is how manufacturers make them "dim-able" (by reducing the frequency). When cameras film them, the shutter speed and LED frequency can fall into sync, which appears on film like they are flickering.
Hey kiki231000, Please tell us how tall you are and what your inseam is. I'm 5 ft 11 inches with an inseam of 30, and I'm worried about the fit of an RT for me. Otherwise, love the bike.
+Brian Bowman I have a 32" inseam. I would recommend the " low seat" option offered by BMW. If you order it with a new bike there is no additional charge, I am told. This low seat would fit you very well.
very nice review. you covered several things that are typically not mentioned in other reviews. Thanks. I am looking at the GT vs the RT, just like you stated in the beginning part of your video, and my question for you since you've had both, is which do you think would work better for a two hour (one-way) interstate commute? The GT is seems obvious at first glance but my two main concerns are the weight of the bike when NOT on the interstate and the lack of "fun factor". I'm really looking more for a SPORTtourer (as opposed to sportTOURER) with nice tech and creature comforts while also providing fun in the twisties. I don't want a gold wing type experience. I've had ST3 Ducati and Honda VFR. I'm considering the GT 1600, RT1200, GS 1200, or Ducati Multistrada 1200s (Pikes Peak). Finding test drives in my area is difficult. Which do you recommend?
If you have any racing experience or you currently race, then I would recommend the RT. I find its dynamics are closer to a sportbike (much lighter and much shorter wheelbase than the GT). If you ride 2 up , or you like to just ride fast in a strait line, then the GT is a better choice. As I mention in the video, the GT will be much sportier than you would think for a bike of that weight, but the RT is easier again for aggressive cornering.
hmm. thanks for responding. I'm a non-racer, but based on your description, it doesn't mean I wouldn't like the RT. That being said, it sounds like it would meet my "fun factor", but would the RT perform well for my commuting purposes (i.e. comfort, ergonomics, smooth ride at interstate speeds, etc..)? do you have any experience with the GS?
The RT will be very comfortable and manages wind better in stock form. The GT, however has a lot more torque and power in general. With an upgraded windshield it manages the wind very well. Additionally its long wheelbase does brilliantly with super slab. I would swing more in that direction given what you have said. I have driven a GSA for a full weekend, on all sorts of riding surfaces. The GS is a fine bike, but it does not offer you the wind protection of the other two. A lot of riders are ok with this, and prefer to rely more on their attire and helmet to manage the weather. Some choose the GS for its wide bars and erect riding position, and manage the weather in other ways. For example if you are a really tall rider , the GS may be the best choice of all simply for leg comfort. If i did more off-road or dirt road long-distance stuff, then the GS would be my choice over all. But i own a very competent dirt bike to satisfy that side of my riding. All that being said, the aftermarket caters more to the GS than the other two, simply because it is BMW's biggest seller. I will make the analogy of comparison between the three-- the GT/GTL is like the BMW 6 and 7 series cars, the RT is like the 5 series, and the GS is like the X5.
very helpful. I love the idea of the K1600GT, with it's comfort, ergonomics, interstate prowess, and options, but i'm just really concerned that it'll be too heavy and not manageable. I like your car analogy, which makes me lean more towards the RT (i drive an audi s4, but i'd like my bike to be more like an A6/S6 which is the RT i assume). I'm 5'9" with 30" inseam so not exactly tall. Which is why the GS is somewhat of a concern (although they do have a low seat option). Wind management is a good point. Since i'm driving interstate for 2hrs i'd prefer to have good wind mitigation even with proper gear. I'm going to take a road trip to the nearest BMW dealer soon with hopes of trying both the GT and RT.
Awesome review. For someone looking to newly get onto an RT, would you say the newer gen is leaps and bounds beyond the previous generation-or the last gen is a tremendous value now that it’s a bit older. Thanks!
Great question. To be honest, it was the 2005-2013 model that caught my attention off the other brands. That bike won ton of awards and was ground breaking. Furthermore, i think the 2022 (or whenever it get updated) RT1250 will be leaps over the current one. However, when i say "leaps". it is more with the technology than the riding experience. The older RT was a fantastic riding bike. If you are looking at one, (2005-2013) i would look for one with mileage below 50000km if you intend to ride it for a long time. Be mindful of the switchgear issues and the final drive issues with that generation. I am told that the best year was 2009 (i owned one) as the final drive issue was fixed , but the switchgear was the older, more robust style. Aside form that , you can modify it to your exact liking with windshields and seats -- which you will need to do regardless of what generation you buy.
@@bebopclownshow No -- i think what i meant to say is that the older style switchgear on the bars was better than the 10-13 models. However, i am only speaking from owner feedback. I know there was a change (recalls and repairs) which may have cleared this out. I prefer the older style switchgear myself, as it was very unique from the "same old" that every other maker uses. The same goes in the BMW cars- the older style was unique and a perpetual novelty as BMW tried to "work out of the box " and focused on functionality over convention.
I sold my 836 pound 2018 Honda Goldwing DCT Touring bike to purchase the 505 pound BMW R1200RT because I did not like the excessive weight of the Goldwing. I tried the BMW K1600GTL also, but both the K1600 and the Goldwing are not great bikes for commuting in the city, compared to the nimble R1200RT. Also, the R1200RT is great on long road trips, and I average 50 mpg. The 2018 Goldwing is 85 pound lighter than the previous version, but the top case is too small for two large helmets, and the side cases cannot hold one helmet. That's not a problem with R1200RT.
Hi Chris. I enjoy your videos. I bought a 2016 k1600GT and at first thought the RT would be the one. I had a HD Fatboy, about the same weight as the GT. The RT has a great weight advantage at low speed and CG advantage. However, it felt less planted than the GT at highway speed. I was accustom to the weight of the HD believe it or not. But overall, the handling of the GT was so superior over the HD that the RT seemed not to be enough bike. Also the GT 6 cyl was superior in torque, I could keep the GT in a higher gear at lower speeds. Both are awesome bikes.
I wish you would do a comparison In the feel and complexities from a base RT or GS to one with Dynamic ESA. There is a scant amount of Information online. I feel you would do an excellent job at explaining and demonstrating the difference for those of us who have a lesser than impressive budget. Please explore & investigate for us if possible/based on your resources, if one could own a base RT or GS and if there could be money saved without regret. Thank-you in advance for even the slightest effort. Very few own a newer Base boxer twin, however because of the lower price, the Base model is so much more accessible to the majority of us!
Appreciate the question. Unfortunately my dealer (i checked) has yet to offer or sell a "base" model for the reasons you mention. However, you make a valid point. Putting aside the value i place on DESA, I would still buy this bike in heartbeat. I am fortunate that I can ride pretty much any bike i want for at least a day. I have owned over 40 different bikes from every major manufacturer, and my very wide circle of riding friends expands that field much farther. When it comes to the value proposition for BMW, it becomes a debate in the general motorcyclist community. In other videos I make a price comparison between a Yamaha FJR1300 and a "base" R12RT. The RT is a touch less expensive and comparably equipped-- with one exception, the FJR comes with an electronic suspension similar to ESA2. However, when you take a day, or more, and test ride these bikes, with and without the robo- suspensions, I found that it is much less important than the overall ride. For example, on the RT, flipping between "SOFT" and "SPORT" is noticeable, but not jaw-dropping. The bike itself is a fantastic package without it. The difference is more critical , maybe, on the GS, if you are riding off-road, Since it does a great job of soaking up bad bumps without going too soft on the overall handling manners. I also spoke with my dealer, and they have mentioned that the "BASE" models hold their value just as well as the loaded up versions. In fact, my 2009 RT was truly a "base" model, and it was a great ride. The options i would recommend that truly are worth more than they cost would be Cruise Control, heated grips and heated seat. I ride long distances in cold weather, and those things are VERY noticeable. ESA, central lock, keyless, Radio, chrome exhaust, driving lamps, hill start, and shift pro are all nice, but i would live happily without them. Incidentally, here in Canada, we are charged $1600 for the Touring Package , which gives you Cruise, heated Seat, and the ESA. Its not a huge leap in costs. (base price is $21500). Hope that is some help.
Good question. No, i did not. In addition to this bike i several other bikes, and there just isn't room on my property or in my schedule to keep 2 big tourers.
Excellent question. Normally I try something that I like better and it’s one of those luxuries I afford myself to trade up. However…. This bike, with all the modifications and accessories is so comfortable and well suited to my riding that I am going to hold off. My belief is that the new RT would be a likely option, but although it has some new tech, immediately I would need to spend 2 grand to trim it up so that it’s at least as comfortable as this one is. It is for that fundamental reason I am holding off for the time being.
No ones mentioned the lower back pain you get on this bike after only a few miles!My friend got same problem!Not what you want on a so called tourer!(I can travel further on my125 monkey bike!)🤨
really really good review ,....but ....there is nothing ....NOTHING sporty about a RT . I hear it time and time again ....oh its quite sporty .....no ...its not ...its a tourer through and through . Just dont say it , Yammy R1 sporty , BMW R1200RT ....not sporty ....(i ride bmw`s btw)
David Haney , thanks for the note. And I appreciate your opinion. I have asked Reg Pridmore and also Kevin Schwantz when I raced in their schools what they think of the RT and whether or not it is sporty. They agree it is sporty.
Not true - I had one for two days and by the end of it was throwing around in a sporty manner. True, it's not as "sporty" as my XR , but it can be pushed hard and handles better than it should for its size.
Thank you so much for getting back to me I do love the reviews . I just picked up my bike yesterday an epic adventure haven't had a chance to look my owners manual over I thought perhaps there was some sort of setting that I was missing to cause the lights to flicker thank you for explaining look forward to more videos . I do have another question is there by chance a setting to allow the windshield to stay in an High position versus lowering itself every time you power off?Thank you again
Excellent video. It took me way too long to find one like this. Everyone else's videos are just them riding around and chatting. You are actually showing the bike, the features, and doing a nice compare and contrast. Thank you =)
+Eric Schmidt thanks for the note. That being said, some people prefer the "GO Pro" style videos. Since i grew up pouring over motorcycle magazines i always like close up comparisons where the camera focuses in on specific features.
I think that depends a lot of the "videographer" Riders that used the Go Pro or other "action" type camera unfortunately leave the internal mic live and all you hear is wind noise. There are a few though that make very good "riding" videos, they use either a wired mic or a bluetooth adapter on the camera and use their helmet sound system. Some just disable the built in mic and dub music over the video...I must say I have done it that way on a couple of rides.
Eric Halsall This.
I spent a good hour researching the bike on RUclips yesterday and couldn't find a single decent review and then today this pops up in recommended. I was actually going to skip it given yesterday's experience but I'm very glad I didn't.
your review helped me decide that it will be a 1200RT rather than the 1600 GT - much appreciated, thanks.
Outstanding video. I get dizzy watching "helmet cam" reviews, mainly because of the constant camera motion. None of that nonsense here. Stable, fixed camera views with a commentator that can actually articulate and help visualize important aspects of the machine. This video actually reviews the bike's features, and compares it to other bikes to give you a reference point. Great job!
Excellent video, first class presentation! Thanks!
Agree with below, what a great review and thoughtful commentary. thanks so much for taking the time. I'm one of those K1600 vs. 1200rt people searching for info and you helped a lot.
Just started looking at adding a touring bike to my lineup and came across this review. This should be a mandatory video, for anyone that puts out motorcycle reviews, to watch before they can post to youtube. Well done sir!
Really good reviews plus enjoy listening to Chris's voice. Definitely ASMR material.
I rode a GT and RT back-to-back at the weekend and totally agree with your findings. The GT's engine is boss, but the RT has plenty of go, wonderful comfort and much better handling than any other tourer on the market today. Amazing motorcycle...
One of the best owner overviews I've seen on RUclips. Nice video. Nice bike.
Nice video. I just sold my 07 Goldwing and currently eyeing the RT or FJR as a replacement. I also own a 07 r1200r so familiar with the BMW. Test drove the 17 Rt and instantly enjoyed the pep of the new engine and handling. Thanks for the video.
Very good video. Short but articulate, hitting most points people want to know about. I am very happy that you added the differences between the 1200RT and K1600.
Take care.
Great presentation and overview. I've been looking at a few options in the sport touring group to potentially replace my cruiser and this video helped me understand some of the unique features of the BMW.
This is a great overview. It's nice to get honest impressions of the bike relative to others on the market. Most reviews sound more like a sales pitch
Very articulate review! You have a great voice for presentations! Nice job!
Excellent review. I liked the way you did it in the garage with the door closed, eliminating unnecessary noise disturbance. I just don't understand why other people choose to do their review on the move with lowering and raising their helmet's shield every 10 seconds. Very unprofessional and stupid. Beside, it gives it a better taste to see the reviewer's face.
I want one aside from my Harley street glide & Standard. Thanks for sharing very informative.
I love my current bike,a 2014 R1200gs TE.It has just 1300 miles on it but despite keeping spotlessly clean and coating it with ACF50 after every wash and blow dry,the engine and final drive are badly affected by corrosion.
I am now looking for a brand new bike.I have test ridden so many new machines that I have lost count.One bike has stood out head and shoulders above the rest,you guessed it,it's the RT.It rides beautifully and looks superb from every angle.The top specification model here in the UK, is the RT LE and with the extra's I want,It comes in at a little over £17500.RT forums in the UK,are full of owners complaints about corrosion on these bikes,indeed it seems these bikes corrode quicker than any other bike in the BMW range.Until BMW improve the quality of their bikes,I am afraid as much as I would love to buy the new RT, I am not prepared to spend this amount of money on a bike with such a serious issue.
Yes my R1150R has that sporty chug-chug thing too ha. Great review and angles.
Thanks for the reviews. You seem so patient
Great review.
Saw one yesterday while out riding the R9T. There's too much I'd miss about the 9T but would jump on one of these (or something that could handle snow) in a hot minute is finances were perfect.
Very professional review. Hit a lot of excellent points. Thanks!
im always excited when you upload a new video. I'm looking to purchase the GTL this year and mostly because of your videos. I've come from a Harley Davidson so really looking forward to the GTL. Thanks for the awesome videos you do.
+Wingman Games Thanks for the note. You will like the GTL, as it is very well equipped even in base form. If you buy used ensure that all the recalls have been performed.
Brilliant video brilliant review,really enjoy your videos,I’m so tempted to an RT ,thanks for sharing mate .
came from a 2014 Goldwing Valkyrie and love the RT. Having the same performance with a lighter bike was right for me. Torque down low is a little less tha the Valk but the RT has plenty.
Very detailed video, not sure how I missed this for all these years. I'm currently riding a Triumph bonneville t100. Wanted to upgrade from Triumph to Honda Goldwing. But now I'm drifting away for this motorcycle. But just worried about the weight and the maintenance cost of BMW.
Thanks for the review of the 1200 RT. Just purchased yesterday Black 2017 ,adding external BMW lights similar to 1600k bike
Thanks again
Great review. Felt like I was there.
Man I miss my 09 RT.
I recently found your channel and saw your 2009 review. The review was excellent. And I kept watching your vids until I saw this one, just recently posted. You should get paid for these reviews! You look a little wiser now but still in great shape, so great Job! Thanks for putting all the time into these videos! I am curious to see what you think about the GS....
+Daniel Pinedo I will tell you honestly that if I could get the same wind protection on the GS I would own one, no question. The GS represents, to me the ultimate motorcycle. It does everything. Period. Although my back ground, all those years ago, is in the dirt, I ride mainly on the street. There is an appeal to me to be able to explore regions in my area that are far away from the beaten path. I have been promised a GSA in June for a week. I hope to post up some videos.
+kiki231000 I really look forward to that...I am a cruiser guy and currently have a Victory CCT. I love being laid back and lounging...but I am tired of the huge heavy bike and the heat from air-cooled engines...thus my quest for something lighter, more nimble, with modern engine technology...After watching your vids I went to test ride the RT this past friday...the engine is fantastic and it handles out of this world, but I can't stand my knees bent like that (I have bad knees) and being on my tippy toes when standing still...so my next stop will be the GS, possibly lowered, with highway pegs and see how that works from me. I know a few cruiser guys that now own GS's and swear by them, so its worth a shot.
+Daniel Pinedo it is worth also considering highway pegs mounted on side bars. A lot of folks with knee issues use that as a great solution.
chris, thanks for the great videos! Your knowledge really helps out with helping me choose which model to get. keep up the good work!
What a great video. A really convenient explanation. You should also take a test ride
A delightful in depth review.
thanks for such a quick response Chris.
Great video! This is what we love to watch!
Thank you so much for getting back to me I do love the reviews . I just picked up my bike yesterday an epic adventure haven't had a chance to look my owners manual over I thought perhaps there was some sort of setting that I was missing to cause the lights to flicker thank you for explaining look forward to more videos . I do have another question is there by chance a setting to allow the windshield to stay in an High position versus lowering itself every time you power off?Thank you again
Really good video. Thanks
That is a very nice bike. How is your vision thru those mirrors? For many netizens, they seem awfully located too way down. Do you have any issues with them?
I have not had a problem with my mirrors. I also owned a previous generation RT, and it too had low mirrors, which i didn't have a problem with. MY riding buddy who has the same bike prefers a second set of mirrors mounted up high and they do help considerably.
Hi Chris, first I have to say that you are making me a Bmw fan without owing one yet, and I thank you for that. Now out of curiosity since you have had a 2009 rt and as I recall you have some experience with a 2009 k1300gt, how do you match them up and if you were to buy one, which one will you chose.
There are significant differences between the bikes. Functionally, the big difference for me is the fit of the bike. I am an average size guy in every respect -- 6ft, 32" inseam. The RT fits me perfectly. The GT (13, or 16) seems to fit taller riders better (my 6'3" buddy loves his GT). Aside from that, the RT is lighter and less powerful, but it has an engine note and character that is very unique (much like a tractor), which i prefer.
Excellent video in every way. Nice job. I've been thinking about getting one of these. Wanted to start touring and I figured this was as big as I wanted to go. Also considering the FJR. It seems to have nearly all the features in the base price. Have you ridden that bike? So,aAll that technology and awesomeness on the RT and the best feature is a center stand? LOL.
+mgelliott1 The FJR is a great motorcycle, and I bought a new one in 2005 and kept it for 4 years and really liked it. You will see several Iron Butt riders on FJR's as well, so it clearly is popular with those people. The RT has a few more features that are not available on the Yamaha. Heated seat, larger side bags, audio system, extra power outlets, central locking, keyless operation, Bluetooth , and Cruise control come to mind. The Yamaha has full LED lighting, and although it does not have a "dynamic" suspension adjustment like the RT, it has an electronic controlled unit with very fine adjustments.
Here in Canada , most of those RT advantages are optional, which pushes up the price. so my comparison is not really fair. HOWEVER-- all these gizmos don't mean anything compared to how they run, and for that you need to take the time to ride each on the demo days that both manufacturers offer. That difference is staggering-- and which comes out on top depends on you and only you. For me that puts the RT in a whole different league.
By the way, they both have a centre stand. it sounds foolish that i like that so much, but i really do-- its fantastic!!
Chris, I've owned an RS and 3 GSes. Now I ride a 2006 FJR1300. You refer to the RT differences to the FJR as staggering. Could you elaborate on that please? I have loved all these bikes but got spooked by the potentially high cost of repairs on the BMW. Thanks
I dont mean "staggering" in that one is better than the other, i mean it more in their character. But its admittedly quite subjective, so I recommend you test ride the RT against what you are currently riding. BMW has ride days booked already for 2017, so now is the time to plan.
On repair costs, you are correct. They are pricey if you let the dealer do the work. I do my own, so this is not so important to me.
On brand loyalty-- because many accuse me of being a loyal BMW fellow-- I am not. I have owned more Yamaha's than any other brand, followed by Kawasaki and Suzuki. I am partial to the Asian bikes. But when it comes to how i like the ride, i can objectively prefer BMW.
Excellent presentation of an excellent bike.Thank you.
Excellent review! What I've noticed when i test ride the bike is that the speakers sound diminish above 120 km/h and the seat was low that made me feel cramped because im 6 ft tall. No Bluetooth and Other than that the bike is perfect.
Would this be a good bike to start out riding?
Without a minimum doubt!
As with previous models the adaptive lighting is excellent as long as it doesnt fail its hard to get to and the bulb is expensive to replace.The Exclusive and possible the RTL have the auxilluary lights but to be honest I dont really use them much as they are to low to provide adequate lighting to the road ahead,your better getting 3rd partyspots mounted under the mirrors or attached to third party engine protection bars.
I quite like the added wind deflectors under the main screen as the older models did have buffeting from this area on a basic screen alone.Some have complained about the keyless filler on the previous model and changed it out or disabled the locking system so I wonder if they have altered the software timings on this model?
Moving the side pockets to the top in a similar place to the Pan European is a goos idea as they are more usuable, do they still suffer from overheating of any electronics left in them?
+Andi Archer We intend to mount a set of aftermarket LED driving lamps in the coming weeks, and hope to show the whole process of the installation.
+kiki231000 You might consider looking at the Can-opener whilst your installing extra lighting clearwaterlights.com/infopg_CANopener.html
+Andi Archer We actually already bought a set of Darla's which come included with Canopener 3 and mounting brackets.
Very nice review especially what I was interested in the comparison to the 1600. I will test drive both if possible but now I am leaning toward the 1200 because it is lighter. My last bike was an Aprilia 1000 RSVR so I am used to twin. Now I want to do more touring.
Excellent overview, can you tell me why you decided to move away from the 1600 GT?
Chris.......looking for some advice. Looking to purchase an 05 RT with 59,000 miles. Should this be a concern? Thanks.
A professional video,well done,thks.
Nice job Chris, you mentioned using the optimate charger, could you tell me which model?
I use the Tecmate - Optimate 4 Dual program charger.
Great review! Very informative and detailed....excellent! Thanks, Jan
Thanks for putting this up!
I rode my brothers K1600 recently on a one week touring trip
I admit i loved the power on the open road better than the RT but, after that, I prefer the RT all round
Touring, around town and in general
I'm a previous owner of a 2005 & 2006 RT1200 always afraid of there problems (abs failure and transmission problems)
I hope the LC RT1200 is problem free 👍
awsome review sir
I ride a 2013 FJR1300. THINKING ABOUT 2020 OR 2021 RT1250b. Will I have performance drop. Is there excessive maintenance
After putting 50,000 mi.on a used 1200 LT,I went all out on a new 1600 GTL. I like the RT but I thought after being accustomed to the larger K bike I should go with the GTL. Would like to have both. Chris any more videos on after market speakers for GTLs ?
Hi Chris thanks for posting as its interesting, even though I is out of my price range. I currently ride a GS1200 08 Reg over here in the UK and generally leave the panniers off so can I ask whether you think the panniers on this make it more difficult to filter through traffic as they too look wide. Thanks again .
I have never had a problem in tight quarters with the bike and I rarely have the panniers off. The mirrors are the widest part of the bike, so when riding between objects I use them as a guide. Additionally, I have found that my legs are almost as far out as the plastic.
Looking to replace 2003 k1200rs due to comfort issues. Love the bike but after 30 mins male parts go numb. I always feel as though I am sliding forward into tank. Curious of the seat angle (and peg position) on the RT compared to the RS.
Nice review, I am being tempted by the new RTs but my 2012 is so much more capable a bike than I am a rider that it will do me for a few more years. Still nice to dream about the next bike.
+gerhardk98 yes-- if you are happy with what you have- keep it! This feels very similar to my 2009.
Hello quick question I'm sorry I didn't read all the posts your halo lights the flickering is that just the camera causing that effect.Thanks for your TIME
That is the camera. This is a common illusion when watching videos of LED lights (which the Halos are). LED lights actually "strobe" , but it is so fast that we cannot perceive it. It is how manufacturers make them "dim-able" (by reducing the frequency).
When cameras film them, the shutter speed and LED frequency can fall into sync, which appears on film like they are flickering.
Hey kiki231000,
Please tell us how tall you are and what your inseam is. I'm 5 ft 11 inches with an inseam of 30, and I'm worried about the fit of an RT for me. Otherwise, love the bike.
+Brian Bowman I have a 32" inseam. I would recommend the " low seat" option offered by BMW. If you order it with a new bike there is no additional charge, I am told. This low seat would fit you very well.
very nice review. you covered several things that are typically not mentioned in other reviews. Thanks. I am looking at the GT vs the RT, just like you stated in the beginning part of your video, and my question for you since you've had both, is which do you think would work better for a two hour (one-way) interstate commute? The GT is seems obvious at first glance but my two main concerns are the weight of the bike when NOT on the interstate and the lack of "fun factor". I'm really looking more for a SPORTtourer (as opposed to sportTOURER) with nice tech and creature comforts while also providing fun in the twisties. I don't want a gold wing type experience. I've had ST3 Ducati and Honda VFR. I'm considering the GT 1600, RT1200, GS 1200, or Ducati Multistrada 1200s (Pikes Peak). Finding test drives in my area is difficult. Which do you recommend?
If you have any racing experience or you currently race, then I would recommend the RT. I find its dynamics are closer to a sportbike (much lighter and much shorter wheelbase than the GT). If you ride 2 up , or you like to just ride fast in a strait line, then the GT is a better choice. As I mention in the video, the GT will be much sportier than you would think for a bike of that weight, but the RT is easier again for aggressive cornering.
hmm. thanks for responding. I'm a non-racer, but based on your description, it doesn't mean I wouldn't like the RT. That being said, it sounds like it would meet my "fun factor", but would the RT perform well for my commuting purposes (i.e. comfort, ergonomics, smooth ride at interstate speeds, etc..)? do you have any experience with the GS?
The RT will be very comfortable and manages wind better in stock form. The GT, however has a lot more torque and power in general. With an upgraded windshield it manages the wind very well. Additionally its long wheelbase does brilliantly with super slab. I would swing more in that direction given what you have said.
I have driven a GSA for a full weekend, on all sorts of riding surfaces. The GS is a fine bike, but it does not offer you the wind protection of the other two. A lot of riders are ok with this, and prefer to rely more on their attire and helmet to manage the weather. Some choose the GS for its wide bars and erect riding position, and manage the weather in other ways. For example if you are a really tall rider , the GS may be the best choice of all simply for leg comfort. If i did more off-road or dirt road long-distance stuff, then the GS would be my choice over all. But i own a very competent dirt bike to satisfy that side of my riding. All that being said, the aftermarket caters more to the GS than the other two, simply because it is BMW's biggest seller.
I will make the analogy of comparison between the three-- the GT/GTL is like the BMW 6 and 7 series cars, the RT is like the 5 series, and the GS is like the X5.
very helpful. I love the idea of the K1600GT, with it's comfort, ergonomics, interstate prowess, and options, but i'm just really concerned that it'll be too heavy and not manageable. I like your car analogy, which makes me lean more towards the RT (i drive an audi s4, but i'd like my bike to be more like an A6/S6 which is the RT i assume). I'm 5'9" with 30" inseam so not exactly tall. Which is why the GS is somewhat of a concern (although they do have a low seat option). Wind management is a good point. Since i'm driving interstate for 2hrs i'd prefer to have good wind mitigation even with proper gear. I'm going to take a road trip to the nearest BMW dealer soon with hopes of trying both the GT and RT.
Very objective! And commands attention!
Side cases on the RT and the K1600 are the same and are interchangeable.
Awesome review. For someone looking to newly get onto an RT, would you say the newer gen is leaps and bounds beyond the previous generation-or the last gen is a tremendous value now that it’s a bit older.
Thanks!
Great question. To be honest, it was the 2005-2013 model that caught my attention off the other brands. That bike won ton of awards and was ground breaking. Furthermore, i think the 2022 (or whenever it get updated) RT1250 will be leaps over the current one. However, when i say "leaps". it is more with the technology than the riding experience. The older RT was a fantastic riding bike. If you are looking at one, (2005-2013) i would look for one with mileage below 50000km if you intend to ride it for a long time. Be mindful of the switchgear issues and the final drive issues with that generation. I am told that the best year was 2009 (i owned one) as the final drive issue was fixed , but the switchgear was the older, more robust style. Aside form that , you can modify it to your exact liking with windshields and seats -- which you will need to do regardless of what generation you buy.
Chris On the Street Thanks again for the reply. So the 2010-13 may not be as robust as the 09? Thanks again
@@bebopclownshow No -- i think what i meant to say is that the older style switchgear on the bars was better than the 10-13 models. However, i am only speaking from owner feedback. I know there was a change (recalls and repairs) which may have cleared this out. I prefer the older style switchgear myself, as it was very unique from the "same old" that every other maker uses. The same goes in the BMW cars- the older style was unique and a perpetual novelty as BMW tried to "work out of the box " and focused on functionality over convention.
very informative and well explained, thankyou.
Okay, I know you have owned both, followed you on the K1600. Simply put, what is YOUR choice for Your next BMW. Need your input quickly.
Nice overview ,, that was helpful.
Thanks.
I sold my 836 pound 2018 Honda Goldwing DCT Touring bike to purchase the 505 pound BMW R1200RT because I did not like the excessive weight of the Goldwing. I tried the BMW K1600GTL also, but both the K1600 and the Goldwing are not great bikes for commuting in the city, compared to the nimble R1200RT. Also, the R1200RT is great on long road trips, and I average 50 mpg. The 2018 Goldwing is 85 pound lighter than the previous version, but the top case is too small for two large helmets, and the side cases cannot hold one helmet. That's not a problem with R1200RT.
David Vincent I agree and you can feel the difference in weight immediately
Hi Chris. I enjoy your videos. I bought a 2016 k1600GT and at first thought the RT would be the one. I had a HD Fatboy, about the same weight as the GT. The RT has a great weight advantage at low speed and CG advantage. However, it felt less planted than the GT at highway speed. I was accustom to the weight of the HD believe it or not. But overall, the handling of the GT was so superior over the HD that the RT seemed not to be enough bike. Also the GT 6 cyl was superior in torque, I could keep the GT in a higher gear at lower speeds. Both are awesome bikes.
Yes the GT has a substantially longer wheelbase making it feel more relaxed at high speeds
Great video. I am 6ft3. Do you rate the RT would provide the same level of comfort to that of the GT/L?
Ryno Visagie I think you will be comfortable on both bikes but the 1600 provides more room front to back.
Thanks so much for the quick response. Checking out both later this week. Appreciate your video. Keep it up.
Ryno Visagie try to drive both as the true difference can only be felt in the road
Will do. Thank you
genuinely handy review
Great video, thanks so much for posting!
Excellent review 👌
I wish you would do a comparison In the feel and complexities from a base RT or GS to one with Dynamic ESA. There is a scant amount of Information online. I feel you would do an excellent job at explaining and demonstrating the difference for those of us who have a lesser than impressive budget. Please explore & investigate for us if possible/based on your resources, if one could own a base RT or GS and if there could be money saved without regret. Thank-you in advance for even the slightest effort. Very few own a newer Base boxer twin, however because of the lower price, the Base model is so much more accessible to the majority of us!
Appreciate the question. Unfortunately my dealer (i checked) has yet to offer or sell a "base" model for the reasons you mention. However, you make a valid point. Putting aside the value i place on DESA, I would still buy this bike in heartbeat.
I am fortunate that I can ride pretty much any bike i want for at least a day. I have owned over 40 different bikes from every major manufacturer, and my very wide circle of riding friends expands that field much farther. When it comes to the value proposition for BMW, it becomes a debate in the general motorcyclist community.
In other videos I make a price comparison between a Yamaha FJR1300 and a "base" R12RT. The RT is a touch less expensive and comparably equipped-- with one exception, the FJR comes with an electronic suspension similar to ESA2.
However, when you take a day, or more, and test ride these bikes, with and without the robo- suspensions, I found that it is much less important than the overall ride. For example, on the RT, flipping between "SOFT" and "SPORT" is noticeable, but not jaw-dropping. The bike itself is a fantastic package without it. The difference is more critical , maybe, on the GS, if you are riding off-road, Since it does a great job of soaking up bad bumps without going too soft on the overall handling manners.
I also spoke with my dealer, and they have mentioned that the "BASE" models hold their value just as well as the loaded up versions. In fact, my 2009 RT was truly a "base" model, and it was a great ride.
The options i would recommend that truly are worth more than they cost would be Cruise Control, heated grips and heated seat. I ride long distances in cold weather, and those things are VERY noticeable.
ESA, central lock, keyless, Radio, chrome exhaust, driving lamps, hill start, and shift pro are all nice, but i would live happily without them.
Incidentally, here in Canada, we are charged $1600 for the Touring Package , which gives you Cruise, heated Seat, and the ESA. Its not a huge leap in costs. (base price is $21500). Hope that is some help.
Surprised no one has asked yet, but did you keep the K16?
Good question. No, i did not. In addition to this bike i several other bikes, and there just isn't room on my property or in my schedule to keep 2 big tourers.
For a moment i thought you were Chris Harris from the thumbnail picture of this vid
✌🏿😜 VAS-Y MON CHRIS
T'ES BON BON BON 💪😜
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Since you mentioned changing bikes every 3 years, what’s next ? @chris
Excellent question. Normally I try something that I like better and it’s one of those luxuries I afford myself to trade up. However…. This bike, with all the modifications and accessories is so comfortable and well suited to my riding that I am going to hold off. My belief is that the new RT would be a likely option, but although it has some new tech, immediately I would need to spend 2 grand to trim it up so that it’s at least as comfortable as this one is. It is for that fundamental reason I am holding off for the time being.
@@kiki231000 that’s a great answer as well ! Tks how many miles yours so far ?
Sehr gut erklärt! 👍🇨🇭
great vid thanks
Thanks very useful
Bike will be delivered Friday !
K1600 -118kw/160ps 175nm devil for r1200rt
Ya know if you ever quit your day job. You would be an excellent PBS narrator.
Should I take that as a compliment or a tongue in cheek comment
Definitely meant as a compliment no sarcasm at all
I just bought a 2007 R1200RT...I use to own a 2001 R1100RT
No ones mentioned the lower back pain you get on this bike after only a few miles!My friend got same problem!Not what you want on a so called tourer!(I can travel further on my125 monkey bike!)🤨
If you are getting back pain on an RT, you are the first I have heard of -- and there may be something else at play...
Just show us the bike!
really really good review ,....but ....there is nothing ....NOTHING sporty about a RT . I hear it time and time again ....oh its quite sporty .....no ...its not ...its a tourer through and through . Just dont say it , Yammy R1 sporty , BMW R1200RT ....not sporty ....(i ride bmw`s btw)
David Haney , thanks for the note. And I appreciate your opinion. I have asked Reg Pridmore and also Kevin Schwantz when I raced in their schools what they think of the RT and whether or not it is sporty. They agree it is sporty.
Not true - I had one for two days and by the end of it was throwing around in a sporty manner. True, it's not as "sporty" as my XR , but it can be pushed hard and handles better than it should for its size.
Chris On the Street Great comeback! :)
The GT is a pig compared to the RT
Are you a Dentist?
Is it that painful?
Chris On the Street Not at all. :)
Thank you so much for getting back to me I do love the reviews . I just picked up my bike yesterday an epic adventure haven't had a chance to look my owners manual over I thought perhaps there was some sort of setting that I was missing to cause the lights to flicker thank you for explaining look forward to more videos . I do have another question is there by chance a setting to allow the windshield to stay in an High position versus lowering itself every time you power off?Thank you again
Not that I am aware of.