It’s the truth! The output is what matters. Though, of course, enjoying the process of creating matters too (to us producers!). I hope the Espresso producers had a good time
why would anybody cares? Does anybody cares that Guetta is not producing is tracks? Neither Snake, neither Tiesto, neither a lot of others? Nobody! The only ones that are wasting energy on that are the 'bedroom music producer'
Splice is just the widely accepted version of what top producers already do behind the scenes. In the US, beatmakers funnel their songs up to bigger producers who then make chart-topping songs out of them. People who think “Splice is cheating” should really consider whether it’s worth carrying around that chip on their shoulder.
Well said, and couldn't agree more. I get the dialogue around "producer integrity" here, but the reality is that our audience doesn't recognize, nor care generally where the sample came from. I always aim to remind myself who I'm making music for...myself, and then others who want to join the ride.
@@STVDWELL You’re right about the audience and also have the right attitude about yourself. Music should always be about how it makes one feel, rather than how it was once made.
In a way it’s democratising music because we have access to the same recourses as the top producers but in another way it’s widening the gap between the top producers and the rest even further. First and foremost because they save a lot of money using splice and thus the people making the samples for the hits are paid way less but also because it’s less and less a meritocracy and more and more about who has the connections and acces to the best mixing engineers.
I’m a big fan of recreating and tweaking a Splice loop if I find myself wanting to change it to better fit the song I’ve created around it. Using a splice loop or one shot in any form is not “cheating,” and most musicians who are super adamantly against loops are closing themselves off to different ways of doing things in favor of building their ego
I write a lot of melodies, chords myself and I think that people who hate on loops/samples are actually very bad at making music. It's actually way more challenging to use samples as you need very good hearing. If you keep to writing everything yourself, you kind of know the in and outs of the track. If you use samples, you need to figure all of that out. Sure, you can use ears, but that's the problem, a lot of musicians have bad ears to begin with. I'd say 9/10 producers online are super low in skill compared to producers who are already out there working with artists. 9/10 of all music content is in fact so bad, that it's painful to listen to. The producer Discords are filled with garbage, also garbage advice. I posted some beats on there that sounded great, and some guy who posted clipping rage beats with horrendous quality kept criticizing me, saying shit like "yeah I'd use a different snare", without even understanding why I used that type of snare to begin with. The worst musicians I know have the weirdest criticism in music, and the best musicians I know (and I know some musicians who have worked with pretty popular artists) are actually very open-minded and appreciate any form of music, unless it's very, very bad.
In my experience the singer and the vocals are 90% of what makes a song. Our job is to make it cohesive, and to make songwriting easy and inspiring. Using loops to spark creativity and catch an emotion is great, and if something else creates an emotion that's also great. I've wasted so many years not using loops, thinking it was "cheating" when really it was just my ego being to big and blocking me.
The singer plays probably the biggest role of a song. And you're right, it's the producer's duty to help be the spark in the room. The passion behind the song is much more relevant than the process.
I was told years ago the best advice ever. Pick out:- 10 hats, 4 open, 6 closed 4 Snares & a handful of procussive sounds 3/4 of each.. Learn to use them, learn to tune them, EQ them... From them make your own loops. while you are busy learning that you are getting fundamental knowlage of how to manipulate drums. & in a few years you will have your own library of samples. & you will have had all the know how that got you there.. that is 100x more valuable than a loop pack. On the same note. Pick one synth. use it. Master it. then when it comes to using others you will already have a reference point to learn from. then that new synth will only take a month to learn instead of wasting years tweaking presets & not really learning anything!
I like your minimalistic approach! Not only having your own library of samples, but it's possible to build a signature sound using familiar elements in your songs as a trade mark. I definitely agree with your second point about learning a single synth incredibly well! Serum is a great VST to start from and is capable of just about anything.
@ this was what I was told when I first started. Yes it does take much longer to get them results!! But when you do you got them & not the sample pack you brought. Best advice I ever got! I just got back in the studio after 8ish years of nothing.. my hard drive died & I lost 12 years of work.. all my samples.. That’s how I’m going about it now I’m back & so far it’s going well I found the samples I want to use & I’m building from there!
I do use splice loops. Not all the time, I build my melodies and sometimes, I use a splice loop as a layer or tweaking it so much. I don't care, I believe Splice is useful for musicians who do not have access to certain things. At the end, you are creating it for the people. A person isn't going to know whether you decided to use a sound from a OLIVER sample pack
Indeed, a person will probably not spot where a sound is coming from. And you share a great point, Splice is absolutely useful whether as a tool for inspiration or to elevate a song without needing tons of plugins or sample libraries.
Exactly! I like using some organic loops like saxophone,trompets,etc...Just to add flavour because those are well recorded and sound natural and I cannot afford to look for or pay for a real musician yet
There is also an ICE SPICE sample on there i think! Regarding the legal issues you shouldn’t worry cause by others using the sample they agree to “royalty free samples and loops” so they agree with splices terms so you should be free to use it without any issues.
Wow I literally used this loop in my latest track without realizing, however I've turned it into a speed garage track and chopped it up so much it doesn't exactly resemeble the og sample! Samples are tools, it simply depends on how you use them.
Yeah i kinda stopped using cloud loops for this exact reason... Out of 60 or so melodic loops, figure how many hundreds of thousands of people have used the same vocal or sample. It happened alot with my single "Sober" with Kaivon. The vocal was a splice sample and it caused so much confusion with other songs having been released using the same sample. My rule of thumb is; if its going in the final product and i didnt write it, ill take it out or re-write it. (Other than remixes or huge song samples)😊
I know two songs that use the same sample loop. A brazilian song: "Gueto" by IZA And a german song: "Taxi" by Max Giesinger The beginning of the songs use the same sample loop.
I agree around 3:55 - many producers are against using loops and also many producers are not professionals. We could stop the “you should make your own for, snares, basses, kick drums“ at any point down the line. Code written by someone else makes us able to produce on a computer. Dragging and dropping loops works in some cases, but great mixing, excellent vocals, great songwriting is what counts.
Awesome. Lately the content has been fresh and amazing! It always has been, but this type of educational content is not common at all, the quality, the examples, really defines the channels vision and mission!!
I love the idea of producers recycling sounds that are publicly available to everyone and then showing what is possible with them. It shows the versatility of splice and does a cool thing for the community too because they can download the same exact samples.
The fact Beyonce, Kanye sampled a bunch of artists making their tracks constituted of 15+ producers/writers and getting praised for it. While people critizing when artists using splice are beyond me. Its giving jealousness that you cant make a great song with all that samples
Because Kanye often digs and finds unique songs to sample (on his old records at least) - not just logging on to a dedicated website for lazy producers to take loops.
I’m getting to the point where I’m synthesizing a lot of my stuff including the drums, I’m still working on the best post-processing methods for my 808s and drums but I’m getting there
What about registering the track with a PRO and collecting royalties from radio? Theoretically, using such loops makes it impossible to register the track with a PRO because everything in the track should belong to you, not on a license granted by something like Splice. I’m curious about how it works in your country, and whether you can, for example, register such a track without issues and what their position is
Great video! I agree with most of your points in this matter, I use splice samples a lot to seed or enrich my music but always tweak them a lot abd use shazam and other identifiers to seed if it’s still recognized in another song… but what I really care more about is that bass library you used at 1:03 it sounds delicious!!! On that note I think if you would make a tutorial on how you are recreating these loops and with what libraries and fx plugins you’ll get a lot of traction as you’re very skilled!
As far as im aware it used to be quite common for producers to record session musicians with little direction other than the basic chord structure of the song and it would be up to the musicians themselves to create embellishments or even new parts. To me using Splice is similar to that.
Yes and now those producers save lots of money and session musicians lose jobs. Eventually no one is going to be making money with music apart from the top 0.1 percent in music.
I use looperman sometimes stacking various loops on top of each other to make a beat. I like it because they are mostly creators like the most of us and I know who to give credit to if the song gets picked up even though they are royalty free, still gotta support these creators.
Melodyne is great resource for detecting pitch! I know it's used to correct vocals mainly, but think you can also use it to identify chords just as effectively!
Using Splice samples is not cheating. I use Splice loops all the time-it's an excellent way to kickstart songs and collaborate with producers I might not have had the chance to work with otherwise.
A great producer and songwriter can take average loops and turn them into gold. The cold hard truth is, most people don’t care about how a song was made such as with samples… they don’t even know what that stuff means. If you worked on a song they love, even if it was minor, they think you’re cool and that’s that. Rihanna didn’t write or produce diamonds, but people love her like she did because her voice is on it. If you told someone you worked with Rihanna on diamonds or any well known song, you win a whole bunch of cool cat points. You were part of history.
@ Yes. Like.. loads of people worked on Thriller with Michael Jackson and you have these dudes no one really knows contributing iconic sounds to this super famous best selling song of all time. Little things like the frog sound… i bet their small contributions got them a life’s worth amount of work after that. Everyone wants to work with people who worked with Michael Jackson… even if they played just one note hit twice over and over again in the recording of thriller 😂 I mean.. they have thriller on their resume. They are cool for life. Doesn’t matter if a foetus could play those notes.
I don't use loops as it is... I can play keyboard, Guitar, Bass so I really don't need loops of most instruments. The only loop I use is percussion , still I always chop it up and rearrange it... But I do listen to melody loops on splice to get some idea and inspiration. So if i like any loop I always try to play it on my real instrument and try to recreate it by myself and improvise it...
Splice is okay assuming you are using good quality samples. There is a ton of poorly recorded/made stuff on there. Or if you really want know how to fix/process the samples
Seems like no one is talking about copy-right issues? Even though Splice is "copyright free" it can still create a lot of trouble with ContentID, sync-licensing etc. That's why I avoid it. It's cool to use it to spark some ideas but other than that I'm not using loops anymore 😊.
Thanks for sharing your perspective! I get what you mean regarding recognizability through those ways, as popular samples may get detected much easier. I think everyone has their personal preference, but it's also great to see that you use them to spark initial inspiration.
I agree that it’s okey to use splice loops in your tracks, but Espresso is a joke. The drums and fills is also from the same sample pack, and it’s GRAMMY nominated.. the producer played the bass lol
It sounds like you’re just salty tbh. We both know jack antonoff can play basically anything and make completely original compositions that are incredibly commercially successful. What got it nominated is how successful it is, and using loops doesn’t detract from that. Maybe a cheap interpolation or very basic sample might warrant it being described as a joke, but that’s not relevant to this track
What do you mean ‘legal trouble’? The ‘Espresso’ loop is a part of a Royalty free sample pack, and anyone, who purchased it can use it commercially. The guys who used it to get a hit know this really well. You wouldn’t be able to win in a court. I am more concerned about RUclips ContentID though…
Both by research and chance! I sometimes 'stumble' across familiar loops when using the app, but also find interesting facts from other RUclipsrs as well.
I also wonder about the legal position of recreating a Splice loop. When you use a Splice loop (even if you modify it), you are theoretically covered by the licence agreement you have as a Splice member when you download the sample. But if you recreate it (especially if you don't "pay" for it, i.e. use a credit to download it), you're literally copying a copyrighted/licenced piece of music, so you could be in violation of the loop creators rights.
Everyone makes music different its all about the end result not the process. Dont let any one who has not done anything tell u how to make music if us midi or 100% audio as long as the prosses works for you.
I've only once used musical Splice loops (as opposed to drum hits, rhythmic loops, soundfx, fills, etc.), and that was only because I did two remixes for an artist - and the original track was comprised entirely of Splice loops (not all from the same sample pack). I'd be curious to see what people think of the original track as every instrument and vocal you hear in the track is a Splice loop. He put them all together to make the final composition. Here's the original from Netherlands artist Pieter Herweijer: ruclips.net/video/7M3qvQQWwes/видео.htmlsi=iXieMpPcsZDeLAiO Here's my remixes. The first is a 70s Prince-inspired take that uses some of the original loops, plus a lot of added production: ruclips.net/video/zICej3zhQGA/видео.htmlsi=5Ncf7iFCf1NczcJX And the second I only used the vocal track and reharmonized everything (other than the vocals, no Splice loops used): ruclips.net/video/c6PGgSNLT9I/видео.htmlsi=vWwUucqhfVL_-bKB
I think it's disappointing when i see my music student's projects full of pre-made loops, preset synth patches, plugins dedicated to creating easily self-created plugin effects (such as side-chaining). The results can be good, but they will not develop their own "personality" and will not develop deep skills at creating loops and sounds and using plugins and instruments to create truly original music. Chart music doesn't require originality, but most other genres do. I admit to using the occasional loop, percussion mostly, but I love the process of creating my own loops and sounds by recording instruments etc, editing them like crazy and then adding stacks of plugins to create unique and interesting textures and grooves. I would feel like a cheat relying on other people's creativity in this context.
Oops, that reply was directed towards another comment. Please find below my response to your initial comment: Thanks for sharing your perspective. I think if a person is creative enough, they will find ways to take samples/loops/presets and get them to a result past dragging and dropping in, though I agree that having a deep understanding of what goes into making a loop, sample, or preset is essential for one’s understanding of music making. It’s great that you like creating your loops! In all, I think there’s opportunities to be creative whichever route a person takes, it’s up to that person to make that decision.
If I use your Splice loop in a song I make, I am splitting production credits and points with you. We co-produced the track. I will look you up and reach out.
On one hand, any sample on Splice is royalty-free, meaning anyone can use it. On the other hand, if that sample is used and released on a big label and becomes popular, the loop then may get recognized as something the artist created themselves. Which may cause others to see that song as the sample's original source. It's a tricky situation either way!
Literally never. Pick up an instrument. Hell, even voice-to-midi your ideas if you have to. Crate dig for long-forgotten samples; old songs that mean something to you. Music is not about workflow or just “getting shit done” for Christ’s sake. It’s your lifeblood. It lives forever. What do you want to leave behind?
I think that's the most important question one can ask themself in any pursuit, what they want to leave behind. In order to live a full life, I think one must confront that question. Thanks for sharing your thoughts!
Great video, I myself am not against the use of samples in any way as long as the final result is pleasing to me. A small feedback, this video was great but I wish you'd look to the camera more instead of the text, it was bit distracting to me especially cause your eyes are very beautiful when they face forward!
Loops are fine if used appropriately, and whole genres, like Big Beat, are built on them (the main difference being they had to find or sample their own loops) but I'm curious if this sets a precedent for stacking loops from sample subscriptions and pushing them out as a song. It could be argued that the producer who chose that specific combination of loops is being crediting for their taste and choice in loops; I think a fair practice going forward would be to credit each creator of the loops used in the song as a contributing producer/songwriter.
That gets really tricky - especially since some "loops" aren't even musical - they might be just a beat, a hit of something, a sound fx, etc. Where do you draw the line? How many bars have to be used, etc.? Copyright law has been trying unsuccessfully to sort this out for decades. The results are all over the place.
I personally think splice is fine for one shot samples, but consistently taking full melodic loops from splice is lazy producing. And, in a world where lazy music is constantly churned out, why not create your own sound to stick out from the pack?
ur missing the main sauce… major label sauce. they inflate, bride, pay for, and flat out manipulate the streams of song, not to mention using their well-established infrastructure to get the song in front of YOU! my point is, dont take this as ur sign to do what pop producers are doin cos it won’t ever get u the streams they get. unless ur signed and even then u have to be their golden child. just make original quirky music, make sure it sounds good on ur phone speakers, and rinse it on tiktok. you’ll get there. i did
@@theworldsproject see the problem is I have a very strong sense of originality, using splice feels like stealing to me, after new ai vocals tool now I make 98 percent in the daw
I avoid splice like the plague...I'll use any other loop from any other loop maker...I just don't like how popular splice is and how everyone uses splice
@@theworldsproject I may have been too broad, in terms of using a drum sample or one hit samples, it's ok but I wouldn't grab melodic loops from there just because I wouldn't wanna have the same part in my song as someone else.
its a completely made up problem. sampling is a core part of electronic music. lets say marshmallow used the loop from an old CD sample pack he found in a basement that was super rare everyone would say it was so cool. now that companies adds the sample pack to splice its suddenly not. The reality is samples have scarcity value to them, similar to diamonds. If more people have access to the sample the less perceived value it has amongst arrogant musicians who probably aren't even succesful! Well guess what, 4 million users on splice, 8.2b people listening to music in the world. basically, don't worry about it too much. do what you want. its music, there no guardrails.
Do you use Splice loops in your songs?
The only "full" loops i use are percussion/shaker loops
Almost exclusively, I would say I'm a sample-based producer
@@fabulousfox9057 Nothing else?
@@hvyhttrs What packs have inspired you lately?
100% loops can be such a good tool to just lay out a track you have in your head quickly
The fact that Espresso is nominated for a Grammy proves that nobody cares about the process, only the results.
It’s the truth! The output is what matters. Though, of course, enjoying the process of creating matters too (to us producers!). I hope the Espresso producers had a good time
why would anybody cares? Does anybody cares that Guetta is not producing is tracks? Neither Snake, neither Tiesto, neither a lot of others? Nobody! The only ones that are wasting energy on that are the 'bedroom music producer'
Don't get me wrong loops are cool, but it's more the singer/artist that makes the song finish
@@ifiwantyoutofeelmmh, it’s a bit of everything, how the producer will arrange around the loop is the first foundation but myeah
the results being having the biggest label backing you up with promo and radio play lol
Splice is just the widely accepted version of what top producers already do behind the scenes. In the US, beatmakers funnel their songs up to bigger producers who then make chart-topping songs out of them.
People who think “Splice is cheating” should really consider whether it’s worth carrying around that chip on their shoulder.
Well said, and couldn't agree more. I get the dialogue around "producer integrity" here, but the reality is that our audience doesn't recognize, nor care generally where the sample came from. I always aim to remind myself who I'm making music for...myself, and then others who want to join the ride.
@@STVDWELL You’re right about the audience and also have the right attitude about yourself. Music should always be about how it makes one feel, rather than how it was once made.
@hey_maurice Splice is absolutely not cheating!
In a way it’s democratising music because we have access to the same recourses as the top producers but in another way it’s widening the gap between the top producers and the rest even further. First and foremost because they save a lot of money using splice and thus the people making the samples for the hits are paid way less but also because it’s less and less a meritocracy and more and more about who has the connections and acces to the best mixing engineers.
Exactly. Love this sentiment
I’m a big fan of recreating and tweaking a Splice loop if I find myself wanting to change it to better fit the song I’ve created around it. Using a splice loop or one shot in any form is not “cheating,” and most musicians who are super adamantly against loops are closing themselves off to different ways of doing things in favor of building their ego
That's great! You shouldn't let ego interrupt creativity.
I write a lot of melodies, chords myself and I think that people who hate on loops/samples are actually very bad at making music. It's actually way more challenging to use samples as you need very good hearing. If you keep to writing everything yourself, you kind of know the in and outs of the track.
If you use samples, you need to figure all of that out. Sure, you can use ears, but that's the problem, a lot of musicians have bad ears to begin with.
I'd say 9/10 producers online are super low in skill compared to producers who are already out there working with artists. 9/10 of all music content is in fact so bad, that it's painful to listen to. The producer Discords are filled with garbage, also garbage advice. I posted some beats on there that sounded great, and some guy who posted clipping rage beats with horrendous quality kept criticizing me, saying shit like "yeah I'd use a different snare", without even understanding why I used that type of snare to begin with.
The worst musicians I know have the weirdest criticism in music, and the best musicians I know (and I know some musicians who have worked with pretty popular artists) are actually very open-minded and appreciate any form of music, unless it's very, very bad.
I think if you find a balance your doing it right, keep making melodies and progressions from scratch 50% of the time the rest use loops
In my experience the singer and the vocals are 90% of what makes a song. Our job is to make it cohesive, and to make songwriting easy and inspiring. Using loops to spark creativity and catch an emotion is great, and if something else creates an emotion that's also great. I've wasted so many years not using loops, thinking it was "cheating" when really it was just my ego being to big and blocking me.
The singer plays probably the biggest role of a song. And you're right, it's the producer's duty to help be the spark in the room. The passion behind the song is much more relevant than the process.
90%? How many times do you listen to an acapella and how often do you listen to music without vocals?
@@OhItsNoctu Well, that's true, but what about the case where the vocal really makes a song's production take on a stronger meaning?
@@theworldsproject 70- 75 yes but 90 no (it also depend on the gender and who listened)
@@goodcaketypebeat nah bro, 60%… singers ain’t shit whitout a beat
I was told years ago the best advice ever.
Pick out:-
10 hats, 4 open, 6 closed
4 Snares
& a handful of procussive sounds 3/4 of each..
Learn to use them, learn to tune them, EQ them...
From them make your own loops.
while you are busy learning that you are getting fundamental knowlage of how to manipulate drums.
& in a few years you will have your own library of samples. & you will have had all the know how that got you there.. that is 100x more valuable than a loop pack.
On the same note. Pick one synth. use it. Master it. then when it comes to using others you will already have a reference point to learn from.
then that new synth will only take a month to learn instead of wasting years tweaking presets & not really learning anything!
I like your minimalistic approach! Not only having your own library of samples, but it's possible to build a signature sound using familiar elements in your songs as a trade mark. I definitely agree with your second point about learning a single synth incredibly well! Serum is a great VST to start from and is capable of just about anything.
@ this was what I was told when I first started.
Yes it does take much longer to get them results!!
But when you do you got them & not the sample pack you brought.
Best advice I ever got!
I just got back in the studio after 8ish years of nothing.. my hard drive died & I lost 12 years of work.. all my samples..
That’s how I’m going about it now I’m back & so far it’s going well
I found the samples I want to use & I’m building from there!
I do use splice loops. Not all the time, I build my melodies and sometimes, I use a splice loop as a layer or tweaking it so much. I don't care, I believe Splice is useful for musicians who do not have access to certain things. At the end, you are creating it for the people. A person isn't going to know whether you decided to use a sound from a OLIVER sample pack
Indeed, a person will probably not spot where a sound is coming from. And you share a great point, Splice is absolutely useful whether as a tool for inspiration or to elevate a song without needing tons of plugins or sample libraries.
@@theworldsproject Yes, agreed! Unless, you're in my shoes working with a producer only to find out all the stems were all splice loops, untouched
@@dennise.3008 That happened?
Exactly! I like using some organic loops like saxophone,trompets,etc...Just to add flavour because those are well recorded and sound natural and I cannot afford to look for or pay for a real musician yet
@@ctistianruizguillermo9564 What are your go to packs for those?
OK, but the way you just re-created that Loop was really awesome!!
@@RafiBarides Thank you for your amazing comment!
Like FR bro went crazy on the re create I would love a video on recreating loops the importance of interpretation and sound selection
There is also an ICE SPICE sample on there i think! Regarding the legal issues you shouldn’t worry cause by others using the sample they agree to “royalty free samples and loops” so they agree with splices terms so you should be free to use it without any issues.
@@DrDrift22 Which song? And yes, the samples on Splice are royalty free!
@ Deli by Ice Spice and the sample is ff_pt_128_vocal_loop_diva_Abmin.wav
@@DrDrift22 Brilliant find!
Funny enough that sample is also used in a Fortnite lobby song 😭
@@EddiezusNice, haha!
Wow I literally used this loop in my latest track without realizing, however I've turned it into a speed garage track and chopped it up so much it doesn't exactly resemeble the og sample! Samples are tools, it simply depends on how you use them.
Your creativity is what matters, indeed!
Yeah i kinda stopped using cloud loops for this exact reason...
Out of 60 or so melodic loops, figure how many hundreds of thousands of people have used the same vocal or sample.
It happened alot with my single "Sober" with Kaivon. The vocal was a splice sample and it caused so much confusion with other songs having been released using the same sample.
My rule of thumb is; if its going in the final product and i didnt write it, ill take it out or re-write it. (Other than remixes or huge song samples)😊
Thanks for sharing your insight 🙏🏻
I know two songs that use the same sample loop.
A brazilian song: "Gueto" by IZA
And a german song: "Taxi" by Max Giesinger
The beginning of the songs use the same sample loop.
Nice! Thanks for adding to the discussion.
this is cool af bro, thanks for teaching me this! Recently gave igor's theme a remake and its taught me ALOT about production.
I agree around 3:55 - many producers are against using loops and also many producers are not professionals. We could stop the “you should make your own for, snares, basses, kick drums“ at any point down the line. Code written by someone else makes us able to produce on a computer. Dragging and dropping loops works in some cases, but great mixing, excellent vocals, great songwriting is what counts.
Indeed, there are certain areas we take for granted that give us the ability to make music. In the end, it's your creativity that counts!
Awesome. Lately the content has been fresh and amazing! It always has been, but this type of educational content is not common at all, the quality, the examples, really defines the channels vision and mission!!
Happy to hear that! Worked a lot on defining the channel vision and mission, it’s great that it’s being seen!
I use splice for drums, but in a creative block I’ll usually find chords I like, tweak it and obviously do my own sound design
Theres never cheats to music, only vibes. Artists wouldnt care less about how it was made but their way of using your production.
Painting is an art itself
I love the idea of producers recycling sounds that are publicly available to everyone and then showing what is possible with them. It shows the versatility of splice and does a cool thing for the community too because they can download the same exact samples.
Splice is indeed amazing!
Thanks for another great video Martin!
Thank you for a great comment ;)
The fact Beyonce, Kanye sampled a bunch of artists making their tracks constituted of 15+ producers/writers and getting praised for it. While people critizing when artists using splice are beyond me. Its giving jealousness that you cant make a great song with all that samples
Exactly! Music should always be about feeding the soul, not the ego.
Because Kanye often digs and finds unique songs to sample (on his old records at least) - not just logging on to a dedicated website for lazy producers to take loops.
Holy sht I never knew about the ‘Friends’ loop. Great video man
Thank you!
I’m getting to the point where I’m synthesizing a lot of my stuff including the drums, I’m still working on the best post-processing methods for my 808s and drums but I’m getting there
As a producer i dont use loops or samples in any of my recent work. As more years have passed ive really fell in love with the process of making music
So what do you use as your main resources to make music?
@@theworldsproject mostly Garage Band because it has a much simpler interface. I’ve tried Logic Pro and didn’t like it as much
@@DeiiiiionHe didn't ask the DAW you use..
@@armaddreadchronicles116 he asked what I used as my main resource and I answered, run along
What about registering the track with a PRO and collecting royalties from radio? Theoretically, using such loops makes it impossible to register the track with a PRO because everything in the track should belong to you, not on a license granted by something like Splice. I’m curious about how it works in your country, and whether you can, for example, register such a track without issues and what their position is
Awesome video! What VST's or Libraries did u used for the guitar and the keys?
Guitar: Session Guitarist Electric Mint
Keyscape: Keys
Bass: Trillian
6:25 how were you able to find all of the presets to make the loops??
Great video! I agree with most of your points in this matter, I use splice samples a lot to seed or enrich my music but always tweak them a lot abd use shazam and other identifiers to seed if it’s still recognized in another song… but what I really care more about is that bass library you used at 1:03 it sounds delicious!!!
On that note I think if you would make a tutorial on how you are recreating these loops and with what libraries and fx plugins you’ll get a lot of traction as you’re very skilled!
I appreciate it! I do have a lot of remakes on here as well, feel free to check them out. I'll definitely keep your suggestion in mind.
As far as im aware it used to be quite common for producers to record session musicians with little direction other than the basic chord structure of the song and it would be up to the musicians themselves to create embellishments or even new parts. To me using Splice is similar to that.
That’s a great way to see it. Splice is a modern, faster, and accessible version of that.
Yes and now those producers save lots of money and session musicians lose jobs. Eventually no one is going to be making money with music apart from the top 0.1 percent in music.
I use looperman sometimes stacking various loops on top of each other to make a beat. I like it because they are mostly creators like the most of us and I know who to give credit to if the song gets picked up even though they are royalty free, still gotta support these creators.
That's nice that you keep those that the created loops in mind!
Can’t lie, as someone who doesn’t know music theory, melodyne helps a lot!!!
Melodyne is great resource for detecting pitch! I know it's used to correct vocals mainly, but think you can also use it to identify chords just as effectively!
Using Splice samples is not cheating. I use Splice loops all the time-it's an excellent way to kickstart songs and collaborate with producers I might not have had the chance to work with otherwise.
I agree with your philosophy! Splice is an excellent resource of inspiration :)
I think producers can do
Whatever they want, it’s up to them. Personally I make beats from scratch or use splice loops and sample it.
I like that you're in favor of there not being one way to do things. In the end, it all comes down to one's creativity.
Lovely video man! Earned a sub
Amazing, thank you!
A great producer and songwriter can take average loops and turn them into gold. The cold hard truth is, most people don’t care about how a song was made such as with samples… they don’t even know what that stuff means. If you worked on a song they love, even if it was minor, they think you’re cool and that’s that. Rihanna didn’t write or produce diamonds, but people love her like she did because her voice is on it. If you told someone you worked with Rihanna on diamonds or any well known song, you win a whole bunch of cool cat points. You were part of history.
That in essence is what anything should be about, right? Creating and being part of something greater than yourself.
@ Yes. Like.. loads of people worked on Thriller with Michael Jackson and you have these dudes no one really knows contributing iconic sounds to this super famous best selling song of all time. Little things like the frog sound… i bet their small contributions got them a life’s worth amount of work after that. Everyone wants to work with people who worked with Michael Jackson… even if they played just one note hit twice over and over again in the recording of thriller 😂 I mean.. they have thriller on their resume. They are cool for life. Doesn’t matter if a foetus could play those notes.
@@DarthMadV Haha, permanent street cred!
Fred Again did a very good job. He don’t just pick the loop. He create his own with the original and his vision 🫶
Indeed :)
Bro what bass VST was that holy smokes it sounded amazing
I don't use loops as it is... I can play keyboard, Guitar, Bass so I really don't need loops of most instruments. The only loop I use is percussion , still I always chop it up and rearrange it... But I do listen to melody loops on splice to get some idea and inspiration. So if i like any loop I always try to play it on my real instrument and try to recreate it by myself and improvise it...
It’s great that you use them to fuel your creativity!
This is the way to use Splice. Taking melodic loops from splice is for assholes.
So nice explanation ❤
Grateful to hear you found this intuitive!
amazing content, hoping for a second part of splice sampling in top chart songs!
Thank you!
Inspiring video especially your recreation of the sample..Earned a sub .Kudos
Thanks for the great comment and subscribing!
Splice is okay assuming you are using good quality samples. There is a ton of poorly recorded/made stuff on there. Or if you really want know how to fix/process the samples
prime loop was around 10 years before splice, i remember downloading prime loops back in 2010
It’s so hard to find good sounding loops from Splice.. if I want to use samples/loops, then my picks are vinyls and/or Drum Broker packs
I actually think Splice makes it quite efficient to find good samples!
Seems like no one is talking about copy-right issues? Even though Splice is "copyright free" it can still create a lot of trouble with ContentID, sync-licensing etc. That's why I avoid it. It's cool to use it to spark some ideas but other than that I'm not using loops anymore 😊.
Thanks for sharing your perspective! I get what you mean regarding recognizability through those ways, as popular samples may get detected much easier. I think everyone has their personal preference, but it's also great to see that you use them to spark initial inspiration.
I agree that it’s okey to use splice loops in your tracks, but Espresso is a joke. The drums and fills is also from the same sample pack, and it’s GRAMMY nominated.. the producer played the bass lol
Well, joke or not - that’s actually a cool video idea! Making a song using Splice samples only
It sounds like you’re just salty tbh. We both know jack antonoff can play basically anything and make completely original compositions that are incredibly commercially successful. What got it nominated is how successful it is, and using loops doesn’t detract from that. Maybe a cheap interpolation or very basic sample might warrant it being described as a joke, but that’s not relevant to this track
@@dahliablakeJulian Bunetta produced Espresso
What do you mean ‘legal trouble’? The ‘Espresso’ loop is a part of a Royalty free sample pack, and anyone, who purchased it can use it commercially. The guys who used it to get a hit know this really well. You wouldn’t be able to win in a court. I am more concerned about RUclips ContentID though…
The 1 Million Dollar question is: How did you find the splice loops to these songs? Is there like a Shazaam for Splice Loops? :D
Both by research and chance! I sometimes 'stumble' across familiar loops when using the app, but also find interesting facts from other RUclipsrs as well.
@@theworldsproject thank you :D very interesting..
I also wonder about the legal position of recreating a Splice loop. When you use a Splice loop (even if you modify it), you are theoretically covered by the licence agreement you have as a Splice member when you download the sample. But if you recreate it (especially if you don't "pay" for it, i.e. use a credit to download it), you're literally copying a copyrighted/licenced piece of music, so you could be in violation of the loop creators rights.
Everyone makes music different its all about the end result not the process. Dont let any one who has not done anything tell u how to make music if us midi or 100% audio as long as the prosses works for you.
There's no one-size-fits-all to making music!
I've only once used musical Splice loops (as opposed to drum hits, rhythmic loops, soundfx, fills, etc.), and that was only because I did two remixes for an artist - and the original track was comprised entirely of Splice loops (not all from the same sample pack). I'd be curious to see what people think of the original track as every instrument and vocal you hear in the track is a Splice loop. He put them all together to make the final composition.
Here's the original from Netherlands artist Pieter Herweijer:
ruclips.net/video/7M3qvQQWwes/видео.htmlsi=iXieMpPcsZDeLAiO
Here's my remixes. The first is a 70s Prince-inspired take that uses some of the original loops, plus a lot of added production:
ruclips.net/video/zICej3zhQGA/видео.htmlsi=5Ncf7iFCf1NczcJX
And the second I only used the vocal track and reharmonized everything (other than the vocals, no Splice loops used):
ruclips.net/video/c6PGgSNLT9I/видео.htmlsi=vWwUucqhfVL_-bKB
What guitar vst get did you use for the sample remake
Session Guitarist Electric Mint
Yeah people don’t care how the song was made usually . It’s sad but true . Any song is basically all about the vocals of your aiming at success .
Most will only care about the result, and very few, if any, will be interested in knowing or able to tell where a sample comes from.
Sometimes even other producers use the same loops some producers manipulate the loops and get a different sound
Indeed!
great point of view and perspective about the topic.
whats vst did you use for the guitar chords and the lead one btw? thanks for the video.
Session Guitarist Electric Mint
Not sure about 10 Days by Fred Again. That loop sounds much different to the song
Fred did tweak the loop, by making it more upbeat and swingy. Which would indeed cause it to sound slightly different from the original loop.
@@theworldsproject ah ok, sounds like you've seen him talk about it or something. Nice video all the same :)
Good video!
Thank you!
I think it's disappointing when i see my music student's projects full of pre-made loops, preset synth patches, plugins dedicated to creating easily self-created plugin effects (such as side-chaining). The results can be good, but they will not develop their own "personality" and will not develop deep skills at creating loops and sounds and using plugins and instruments to create truly original music. Chart music doesn't require originality, but most other genres do. I admit to using the occasional loop, percussion mostly, but I love the process of creating my own loops and sounds by recording instruments etc, editing them like crazy and then adding stacks of plugins to create unique and interesting textures and grooves. I would feel like a cheat relying on other people's creativity in this context.
I'm assuming it's been able to come up with some pretty great ideas! How powerful is it?
@theworldsproject Is the "it" you are talking about "me"? Not sure what you mean...
Oops, that reply was directed towards another comment.
Please find below my response to your initial comment:
Thanks for sharing your perspective. I think if a person is creative enough, they will find ways to take samples/loops/presets and get them to a result past dragging and dropping in, though I agree that having a deep understanding of what goes into making a loop, sample, or preset is essential for one’s understanding of music making. It’s great that you like creating your loops! In all, I think there’s opportunities to be creative whichever route a person takes, it’s up to that person to make that decision.
What is the guitar plugin you are using?
Guitar: Session Guitarist Electric Mint
Even Kanye west does in the song lifestyle he uses a vocal sample I have in my splice library 😅
Which one is that?
@ if you listen to Lifestyle it’s the vocal sample right at the beginning, it’s plays throughout the song if I’m not mistaken 😊
If I use your Splice loop in a song I make, I am splitting production credits and points with you. We co-produced the track. I will look you up and reach out.
That’s honorable! Any examples of Splice producers you’ve credited?
I use spilce all the time, but I manipulate it to an extend you can't recognize the original sound.
That's one way to do it!
So what if you use a Splice loop then big Record Labels buy it, would there be a conflict in the copyright?
On one hand, any sample on Splice is royalty-free, meaning anyone can use it. On the other hand, if that sample is used and released on a big label and becomes popular, the loop then may get recognized as something the artist created themselves. Which may cause others to see that song as the sample's original source. It's a tricky situation either way!
It’s a problem for syncing and licensing (think music for ads, movies,…). Some companies don’t work with anyone that uses Splice loops.
@@hansmemling7605But I’m assuming those companies would have no problem using Espresso in their ads/movies, no?
I am using the Spawn Vst and I feel kinda bad about it.
How are the ideas it's been able to come up with?
what vsts have you used for the guitars ?
Guitar: Session Guitarist Electric Mint
@@theworldsproject tysm
That friend one surprised me
It did for me as well, I happened to stumble across it a while back when browsing Splice.
Literally never.
Pick up an instrument. Hell, even voice-to-midi your ideas if you have to. Crate dig for long-forgotten samples; old songs that mean something to you.
Music is not about workflow or just “getting shit done” for Christ’s sake. It’s your lifeblood. It lives forever. What do you want to leave behind?
I think that's the most important question one can ask themself in any pursuit, what they want to leave behind. In order to live a full life, I think one must confront that question. Thanks for sharing your thoughts!
My question is can we make our own loops and sample like splice loops, how can we achieve that?
You mean taking bits and pieces from already existing loops and combining them to create a new loop?
Uhhh, your profile pic is you playing a guitar. Use that and some basic theory and make some loops lol
Great video, I myself am not against the use of samples in any way as long as the final result is pleasing to me. A small feedback, this video was great but I wish you'd look to the camera more instead of the text, it was bit distracting to me especially cause your eyes are very beautiful when they face forward!
Thanks for the love (and the feedback)!
this is a non-issue. splice user agreement says you can do whatever you want with what you bought. use the damn loop and move on
Everything on Splice is royalty free!
Yes, you should. Just chop & screw them/slicex.
Prime loops with the old school windows symbol 😂
Hahaha
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Loops are fine if used appropriately, and whole genres, like Big Beat, are built on them (the main difference being they had to find or sample their own loops) but I'm curious if this sets a precedent for stacking loops from sample subscriptions and pushing them out as a song.
It could be argued that the producer who chose that specific combination of loops is being crediting for their taste and choice in loops; I think a fair practice going forward would be to credit each creator of the loops used in the song as a contributing producer/songwriter.
I appreciate your sense of honesty when it comes to giving rightful credit. It's a great perspective, thanks for sharing!
That gets really tricky - especially since some "loops" aren't even musical - they might be just a beat, a hit of something, a sound fx, etc. Where do you draw the line? How many bars have to be used, etc.? Copyright law has been trying unsuccessfully to sort this out for decades. The results are all over the place.
more vocal fry than the kardashians.
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If I use them at all I mangle them beyond recognition into something new.
That's cool that you try to keep everything your own.
Idc i feel my song are authentic and two sample wont change them.
This is awesome! Where did you get those guitar plugins from?
I'm using Electric Sunburst Mint, which is from Kontakt.
Is that Lily Phillips as your thumbnail?
It's Sabrina Carpenter
@ oops 😅
yeah thousands of people have that sample but did they write a hit?
True! There's more than dragging in a sample and calling it a day.
Mk.gee - Over Here???
That does sound similar, good ear!
I personally think splice is fine for one shot samples, but consistently taking full melodic loops from splice is lazy producing. And, in a world where lazy music is constantly churned out, why not create your own sound to stick out from the pack?
I share your mentality of wanting to stick out from the pack, thanks for sharing your perspective!
Oliver is so sick. Unhappy they don’t produce anymore
There hasn't been a release in a while, indeed
ur missing the main sauce… major label sauce. they inflate, bride, pay for, and flat out manipulate the streams of song, not to mention using their well-established infrastructure to get the song in front of YOU! my point is, dont take this as ur sign to do what pop producers are doin cos it won’t ever get u the streams they get. unless ur signed and even then u have to be their golden child. just make original quirky music, make sure it sounds good on ur phone speakers, and rinse it on tiktok. you’ll get there. i did
I know brockhampton used splice loops and Kendrick used one once
Can you share which one?
Never used splice loops
What about Splice in general?
@@theworldsproject see the problem is I have a very strong sense of originality, using splice feels like stealing to me, after new ai vocals tool now I make 98 percent in the daw
I avoid splice like the plague...I'll use any other loop from any other loop maker...I just don't like how popular splice is and how everyone uses splice
What is it you don't like about it other than it being popular? It gives you immediate access to some of the best samples available.
@@theworldsproject I may have been too broad, in terms of using a drum sample or one hit samples, it's ok but I wouldn't grab melodic loops from there just because I wouldn't wanna have the same part in my song as someone else.
its a completely made up problem. sampling is a core part of electronic music. lets say marshmallow used the loop from an old CD sample pack he found in a basement that was super rare everyone would say it was so cool. now that companies adds the sample pack to splice its suddenly not.
The reality is samples have scarcity value to them, similar to diamonds. If more people have access to the sample the less perceived value it has amongst arrogant musicians who probably aren't even succesful!
Well guess what, 4 million users on splice, 8.2b people listening to music in the world.
basically, don't worry about it too much. do what you want. its music, there no guardrails.
I definitely like your mindset of not allowing limitations or others perceptions prevent you from creating!
After producing for 5 years, it seems like “cheating” is whatever gets you great results with less input lol
Some appreciate efficiencies while some criticize efficiencies! There will always be people on both sides.
Artists only care about the output
Most people only care about the end product, and are not as interested in knowing the process it took to get there.
F every producer who thinks this is not art and calls it lazy
There's plenty of opportunities to be creative with Splice!
bro can't even say what plugin he used for sounds. thumbs down brother
I actually did in the comments :)
Session Guitarist Electric Mint for the guitar, Keyscape for the keys, and Trilian for the bass
What vst did u use for the guitar???
Electric Sunburst Mint
@@theworldsproject thank you and the glide effect is it an automation?