Actually completely agree with this; it's almost always with this kind of thing 'In the gray'. People like to take sides and there's a lot of black and white hivemind shit. But the reality is; George maybe should've asked for consent, Caiti maybe should have expressed discomfort. It was a shitty situation from both sides. But George is not a r*pist or s*xual assaulter, he just misread a signal - like I'm sure so many people have in their lives, it's just that we're talking about minecraft youtubers with millions of subscribers, so it turns into a massive mess.
Consent? They were cuddling. If you are that comfortable with leaning on the man’s chest, why aren’t you comfortable with him touching your stomach. It’s a tummy tickle that I guess she didn’t like retroactively.
@@pemp9606 Not to mention she got up from couch and came back to continue cuddling like 2-3 times. She was VICIOUS and VINDICTIVE - this wasn't an innocent wilting flower situation. Why are some people afraid to call it what it is..
She was definitely hyped up by her friends to do this, she’s young and dumb. But… she lied about her age to get into that room and drink, hid important facts in the first video, and released the accusation BEFORE EVEN SPEAKING WITH HIM ABOUT IT. This isn’t some “both sides lack communication” when one side won’t even communicate. Even if she “thought she was traumatized” that DOES NOT MATTER. She was cuddling with him, he tickled her stomach. Stop treating these grown women like toddlers just cause they make decisions that they don’t agree with in the future. Just because you perceive something as traumatic, does not mean you’re a victim. To be honest it’s a good thing she isn’t on the internet anymore imo, because she obviously couldn’t handle being an adult yet. Edit: And I don’t think the apology was an admission of guilt at all. His whole video he was basically calling her a liar. But he is a nice person (who lacks a bit of a spine). He felt horrible that anyone would think of him like that, so he apologized for making her uncomfortable, retroactively.
well, I agree with you for the most part but like why would you talk to your perceived abuser like that wouldn't make sense even in the context of this situation, just genuinely it won't make sense because of prior precedent. and idk how true the cuddling statement is because it's just more he said she said because each story when it comes to that doesn't align. also I definitely disagree with the statement that his apology video is just him calling her a liar, like he for the most part he said she wasn't wrong but about these things but he added which cannot be denied or proven all too much and some of the things he said didn't add up for his side either doesn't make him a liar it just means his perspective is different.
As much as I want to sympathize for Caiti I sadly cant. Now honestly, I feel like she's just as brain dead as her horrible friends, but her friends not making any advances to handle the situation rightfully is also on them. This whole situation honestly seems like a honest misundertsanding, but I cant sympathize with Caiti after a lot of actual SA victims has came out and said that she made them feel like a joke, I mean I sure as hell felt like one after hearing what actually happened, but her continuing to call herself an "SA victim" is what kinda bothers me, especially since SA is something much more serious then regretting a sexual interaction with someone else.
"Kinda crazy" actually not really. You're not her and don't know what she was feeling in that moment. Often times victims are both in shock and fear, shock at the audacity and fearful of what happens if they speak up and reject someone.
Listen this may have been a misunderstanding but she came to the internet and tried to ruin his career. Unfortunately especially for men even if the man is proven innocent this stuff is life ruining.
that makes no sense because you are applying the current context to the past that she wouldn't know of because George's side wasn't even out yet. like you are basically saying that "possible" SA should be sucked up because of the general risk of coming forward is someone's career.
@@bubblesawesome3284 but you just said it was a misunderstanding like it might had turned into her trying to make it seem like that way which is not right. But you are purposely trying to deny fundamental fact that faking SA story is hard. She likely from the start legitimately saw it as SA.
@@bubblesawesome3284 you can't say it was a misunderstanding but then turn around saying it was faked. Like the event did happen, but each side doesn't add up, each. I'm not trying to excuse her later acts which seem to do as your stating up but by that point she already had majority of Internet against her for overblowing it and she didn't want to be considered overblowing it so she did what she did in attempt to not seen as overblowing it.
it's not unreasonable to be afraid to speak up. You can assume someone seems nice on cause of their online person but look how that turned out with Wilbur...
This was better stated then the train wreck response of turkey Tom in shorter amount of time, like Jesus this is better than that. Like legitimately one of his arguments was because this exist this isn't wrong.
Actually completely agree with this; it's almost always with this kind of thing 'In the gray'. People like to take sides and there's a lot of black and white hivemind shit. But the reality is; George maybe should've asked for consent, Caiti maybe should have expressed discomfort. It was a shitty situation from both sides. But George is not a r*pist or s*xual assaulter, he just misread a signal - like I'm sure so many people have in their lives, it's just that we're talking about minecraft youtubers with millions of subscribers, so it turns into a massive mess.
Consent? They were cuddling. If you are that comfortable with leaning on the man’s chest, why aren’t you comfortable with him touching your stomach. It’s a tummy tickle that I guess she didn’t like retroactively.
@@pemp9606 Not to mention she got up from couch and came back to continue cuddling like 2-3 times. She was VICIOUS and VINDICTIVE - this wasn't an innocent wilting flower situation. Why are some people afraid to call it what it is..
@@pemp9606 and they werent just cuddling there were literally spooning
She was definitely hyped up by her friends to do this, she’s young and dumb. But… she lied about her age to get into that room and drink, hid important facts in the first video, and released the accusation BEFORE EVEN SPEAKING WITH HIM ABOUT IT. This isn’t some “both sides lack communication” when one side won’t even communicate.
Even if she “thought she was traumatized” that DOES NOT MATTER. She was cuddling with him, he tickled her stomach. Stop treating these grown women like toddlers just cause they make decisions that they don’t agree with in the future. Just because you perceive something as traumatic, does not mean you’re a victim. To be honest it’s a good thing she isn’t on the internet anymore imo, because she obviously couldn’t handle being an adult yet.
Edit: And I don’t think the apology was an admission of guilt at all. His whole video he was basically calling her a liar. But he is a nice person (who lacks a bit of a spine). He felt horrible that anyone would think of him like that, so he apologized for making her uncomfortable, retroactively.
well, I agree with you for the most part but like why would you talk to your perceived abuser like that wouldn't make sense even in the context of this situation, just genuinely it won't make sense because of prior precedent. and idk how true the cuddling statement is because it's just more he said she said because each story when it comes to that doesn't align. also I definitely disagree with the statement that his apology video is just him calling her a liar, like he for the most part he said she wasn't wrong but about these things but he added which cannot be denied or proven all too much and some of the things he said didn't add up for his side either doesn't make him a liar it just means his perspective is different.
So true, this whole thing just snowballed out of control for a simple misunderstanding.
Things went downhill with these Dream SMP creators after Technoblade died.
Agreed.
As much as I want to sympathize for Caiti I sadly cant. Now honestly, I feel like she's just as brain dead as her horrible friends, but her friends not making any advances to handle the situation rightfully is also on them. This whole situation honestly seems like a honest misundertsanding, but I cant sympathize with Caiti after a lot of actual SA victims has came out and said that she made them feel like a joke, I mean I sure as hell felt like one after hearing what actually happened, but her continuing to call herself an "SA victim" is what kinda bothers me, especially since SA is something much more serious then regretting a sexual interaction with someone else.
Kinda crazy how she didnt state her boundaries nor did she say anything when he touched her bubs but still called george a sexual offender like tf?
"Kinda crazy" actually not really. You're not her and don't know what she was feeling in that moment. Often times victims are both in shock and fear, shock at the audacity and fearful of what happens if they speak up and reject someone.
@@HotChokolate007so then right after she continued to flirt with him via text, really shows their shock,
Listen this may have been a misunderstanding but she came to the internet and tried to ruin his career. Unfortunately especially for men even if the man is proven innocent this stuff is life ruining.
that makes no sense because you are applying the current context to the past that she wouldn't know of because George's side wasn't even out yet. like you are basically saying that "possible" SA should be sucked up because of the general risk of coming forward is someone's career.
@@Natal_Ace my argument is she knows it’s fake like she lied about it we know it’s fake she normally falsely accuse someone.
@@Natal_Ace like she knows it’s fake and came to the inter to ruin this man’s career. He now has to proven himself innocent to everyone else
@@bubblesawesome3284 but you just said it was a misunderstanding like it might had turned into her trying to make it seem like that way which is not right. But you are purposely trying to deny fundamental fact that faking SA story is hard. She likely from the start legitimately saw it as SA.
@@bubblesawesome3284 you can't say it was a misunderstanding but then turn around saying it was faked. Like the event did happen, but each side doesn't add up, each. I'm not trying to excuse her later acts which seem to do as your stating up but by that point she already had majority of Internet against her for overblowing it and she didn't want to be considered overblowing it so she did what she did in attempt to not seen as overblowing it.
Coming out about trauma is okay, lying about S/A and more isn't and you're just hurting real victims.
Your view on this situation is the most reasonable take to me , a misunderstanding and lack of communication on both sides
You know, I’d say the best thing to put it down and leave it, they’ve been through the internet’s wrath enough
it's not unreasonable to be afraid to speak up. You can assume someone seems nice on cause of their online person but look how that turned out with Wilbur...
This is sad that this is a big misunderstanding. Ouch 😢
KEEP IT UP BRO
He literally said in the stream to not put backlash on her or be mean to her
George is clueless...
i kind of fell like its bullshit but at the same time wtf?
Nice
This was better stated then the train wreck response of turkey Tom in shorter amount of time, like Jesus this is better than that. Like legitimately one of his arguments was because this exist this isn't wrong.