Only a woman can encapsulate the feeling of vanity, passive aggression, delusion and psychopathy shown in that movie. Honestly though 99 percent of the sigma thing is meme. Very few people are that delusional.
@shrödinger's cat here's my real point. An ideology or philosophy is never good or bad. What is though is how they're applied in the real world and the effects caused, always positive and negative. "Sigma" barely even qualifies as an ideology because its true ideological nature is still up for debate.
@shrödinger's cat it's not in the real world, it's in a film. Hence why you have to specify that it's "negative" thus denoting its satirical nature. Otherwise you may think it's an accurate representation and not totally exaggerated. Which is what satire is. I should have said "It's still a "sigma male" movie, even if it's a satirical one." The fact that Bateman is a psychopath and serial killer also makes it negative.
@@FinalGirlStudios I showed this film to a girl and she hated me, some people just don't understand satire. I warned her it was kidding. She still hates me and thinks I have a murderer fetish. If you look at the derealisation and depersonalisation bits and the traits of borderline personality, a lot of men are under-diagnosed for borderline so the guys unironic might be male borderlines. Constantly empty feeling and characteristic of BPD is 'splitting' like Freud's Madonna/Wh0re complex. Don Draper has histrionic personality, the seductive one.
any time I get a new business card for work, I compulsively post a picture of it (with identifying information covered) with the caption "my god, it even has a watermark."
The initial reaction to American Psycho is kind of hilarious, most people simply not comprehending it is a satire, intended to mock the toxic yuppie culture of the 1980s by taking its implicit narcissism to its psychotic extreme. Bret Easton Ellis took years to come out as gay, knowing full well it would affect the interpretation of the book.
I always thought the "Literally me" memes were ironic seeing how unrelatable Bateman is and how cartoonishly laughable the dialogue in the script is. I didn't know people took them seriously or thought Bateman was actually relatable. Can someone explain to me how the movie isn't satire and how people get through it without laughing hysterically throughout the whole thing.
I mean I think there is a level of irony to most of the “literally me” memes even amongst men and boys. But you can tell that there are men and boys (I’d say mostly teen boys) who take Bateman slightly seriously. And even if they don’t aspire to Patrick Bateman I feel like there is an unquestionable link between the huge rise in the perhaps ironic “sigma memes” featuring Bateman and the very real cult following of men like Andrew Tate, who is very much the embodiment of everything Patrick Bateman satirizes. I also think there are many people who genuinely don’t realize the director and screenwriters of American Psycho are women, and therefore they’re not approaching it with that subtext.
@@FinalGirlStudios I didn’t know the director was a woman and I still could see the irony. Of all the “sigma” characters Bateman is by far the most ridiculous. I see why people might take Ryan Gosling memes seriously because they tend to be more melancholic, but American Psycho is clearly pure stupidity. And I’m not even a feminist.
Hes relatable in his flaws. As an autistic man, I don't relate to how he feels about women or how he treats those he feels lower than him in the film, but I do relate to the scenes where there is an explicit focus on his mental breakdown. If you don't interpret the ending as if he truly killed those people (which I know the director said is a wrong take), you can interpret the movie as one, massive mental breakdown from a adult man who has been masking for his entire life for the sake of others around him, always with the knowledge that the life he leads is completely frivolous and futile, yet due to his upbringing he can't escape those pathetic habits, thus leading him to indulge in those horrible, halucinatory fantasies in his head after his lifestyle and his inner feelings finally takes a toll on him. Not only its a feminist film satirizing the ridiculousness of such a lifestyle coming from men, but its also a film detailing how tragic this hyper-masculine lifestyle *is* on men themselves. Despite women being the ultimate victims of the patriarchy, men can be crushed by its expectations and its demands. Its a horrible circle for everyone.
i can see (now) how confusing it may seem to some people that i loved the satire of the movie, but take the relatability of the memes seriously (thanks to meta irony). and that is because i seriously relate to his delusion and narcissism, since being aware of those behaviors in myself doesn't "cure" me of them. so, yes, literally me! while i discuss the very real hyper masculinity culture's impact on the lives of real women as real violence. and honestly they even go hand in hand bc i can't stay in either of those postures for +1h without nEEDING the other to detoxify.
I watched American Psycho with my cousin for the first time last summer and we loved it, we were cracking up the whole time. there’s a lot to say about this movie but guys who feel like they “genuinely relate” to this movie forgetting that it’s supposed to be satirical worry me…💀
@@bryanice3313 if you really think that's going to upset anyone, most people here are already aware of what bret easton ellis is like and we do not care. he didn't direct the movie (better than the book) and we can separate the art from the artist.
I was a big fan of Bret Easton Ellis after I saw the film and then read this book and a few others and some of his interviews and honestly I’m a bit puzzled by how he can say that, unless he was being tongue in cheek, and taken out of context. Which is VERY possible for some headline. But then again, who knows. I haven’t read anything the man’s said in a very long time so it’s possible he could have somehow flipped entirely in some way but he’s always seemed like a very self-aware and decent person which is why I was able to stomach his work. Idk?
the way men idolize bateman reminds me of how they do it with walter white too, who is also as a character a commentary about masculinity and the “need to provide”
it's funny how they're also both serial killers. and the only "providing" walter did was providing ptsd, disharmony and the destruction of the family unit. the way people chose to misinterpret these blatantly flawed characters and idolize them so wholeheartedly to no end is ... not even surprising anymore. it's also funny how so many of them dog on skylar for BEING UPSET THAT THE MAN SHE MARRIED COMPLETELY CHANGED, DID A 180 AND BECAME AN EMOTIONLESS MURDERER.
@@FinalGirlStudios Yes! I thought it was hilarious satire and in retrospect am shocked at all the people I knew before watching it that thought any different.
As someone who watched the film pretty shortly after its release and loved it, I've had to watch how I talk about this film for all those years. It's such a misunderstood movie. People tend to make pretty wild assumptions about you if you express your appreciation. It brings me allot of joy to see other women appreciating it and defending it for its feminism. I've had so many contemptuous arguments with women who have never seen the film on this subject. I only read the book many years later. I love the book too. They are actually shockingly similar. Harron and Turner really refined the book into the best movie I think it could possibly be. They focused the satire for the medium of film brilliantly. I'm also a sucker for the musical despite it missing the mark thematically. I just can't resist its absurdity and 80s inspired bangers.
You are quickly becoming one of my favorite video essayists on RUclips; thank you for all you do to make these videos so insightful, informative, and entertaining. Also, loving how more are discovering how American Psycho is really for the girls. ✨ He’s just like us. ✨
I'm an 18 year old young man, and I could tell right away that American Psycho is a satire of toxic masculinity and 80s Wallstreet. Despite Patrick Bateman being the main character, I still found him to be a pathetic man, who wants nothing other than to impress and be like other men in his profession. But even then, I still like to quote the movie and joke about the Huey Lewis scene, not because I'm laughing with Patrick, but because I'm laughing at him (that and it's a well-made film, of course).
I watched this film with my sister and we both really enjoyed it and found some scenes hilarious. Especially the business card scene. To any normal person all those business cards looked the same but to a group of men who are obsessed with validation and appearances they don’t and are all trying to one up each other. You can clearly tell Batemans character is satire and overly dramatic so I’m surprised many of the sigma community take his character so seriously. I’m not into all this sigma bs but Patrick Bateman is far from a sigma. One relatable thing about this man though is his skincare routine. I definitely saw myself when watching that scene lmao
This was brilliantly written, thank you for sharing your thoughts! I've been wrestling with the thought for a while now, especially since reading the book, that the absurdity of his character is what makes him relatable. He is the internal, paranoid dialogue. I value both perspectives, but I personally believe that the events in the story were fabricated in his mind as a visual manifestation of his violent and intrusive thoughts. The only "reliable", and I use that word loosely, view we have of Patrick is how others describe him-- he is anxious, neurotic and weak-willed. He's forgettable. He could be anyone. I really appreciated that you highlighted that Bateman is written as a "loser". The novel goes a little bit more into it as well, like just how heavily he hangs onto the opinion on others and seems to only exist to be valued and viewed by others' lenses, someone else's desires. Hell, he hallucinates at a U2 concert and compares touching hands with the lead singer to a religious experience.
Lol I watched this movie for the first time in my freshman year of college for a forensics/psychology assignment (I did two majors and can’t remember which class it was for). Doing research for this movie for my assignment made me realize how hilarious it is that people didn’t realize it was satire and how scary it is that men idolize this man
It's fucked up that this video helped me realize just how similar men and women really are, if only we could just all be people rather than these stereotypes we think make up humanity.
Lolita is a book that warns of the dangers of pedophila, grooming, etc. A good book, but if a man ever walks up to me and says that Lolita is one of his favorite ROMANCE books of all time, I will scream and run away from him as fast as possible.
i’m a film student, and i broke a sigma male film bro in one of my first film classes ever because i told him his favorite “hero-movie” (American Psycho) was directed and written by women, and the original book was written by a gay man.
Your videos are changing my life and saying so much about me, I’m 30 years old and I have the feminine rage and existential dread only a woman of my age can feel. I am not a girl not yet a woman- due to economic circumstance it’s been memed to death that I’m 30 but feel 22, like someone barely figuring out how to pay the light bill via the company’s app and what to make for dinner. I won’t own a home until I’m 50. If being an adult is owning a home I won’t be an adult until I’m 50. Lacking economic freedom is being just like a teenager- trapped in my room, AGAIN. Obsessing over what I’m doing and not doing, what I’m eating and not eating. Being a woman has felt like a fucking prison, ever since my mom showed me how to shave when I was 9 and when I got my period at 15 and my twin brother didn’t. There were many things that made us different but the proof was there in the toilet boil and all over my aeorpastel cargo shorts- my life was going to be more painful than his. Life is a museum- you have to be quiet and slow and thoughtful and you can’t touch anything.
Ive noticed there are two major types of "sigmas" or "literally me", The reason a lot of people relate to these characters is due to their flaws and struggles, they all seem to share a component of lonelyness and emptyness among other problems, they all seem to be at a breaking point or have reached it and this can be very relatable to people, i have even seen men relating to female "sigmas", this is one of the side of the coin The other being wanting to be like them, i have yet to see someone actually glorify killing people or being a bad person, everytime i see someone using one of these characters as people to look up to is only their good traits like being succesful or brave and such, basically ignoring the bad aspects and focusing on the good ones, This also connects to the shared link between "sigma" characters and self improvement.
I've always thought it was just a joke, It's ironic. Yeah Hollywood superstar Ryan Gosling is literally me cause he's lonely and cynical in some of his movies.
100% agree with the first point, hell, I've seen women who adopt "sigma" personas, but the second one I half agree with you on. While I have never seen anyone who genuinely thinks serial killing is cool (at least, not openly), I have seen men who seem to think that what Walter White did was justified, or that Travis Bickle is genuinely cool, and not basically a proto-incel who resorted to a violent explosion because he's a loser.
I’m gonna rewatch…lowkey I couldn’t stand it at first watching it but I should give it another go. I think perspective and where you’re coming from when you start something is important, and after hearing other women’s perspective about satire and how it’s actually for women will have me go into it with a different pov bc I def thought it was just another slasher. Now it’s funny how men obsessed w him bc of diff reasons view him, losers tbh.
I love American Psycho and I’m a woman. More then anything I’m laughing my ass off the whole time. It was pretty obvious to me that it was a satire and I had fun watching it. Plus Christian Bale was so damn fine in this movie 😍
American Psycho and Fight Club are some of my favourite movies ( even though I'm a female...and not sure how it's relevant ). I love American Psycho because it's a hilarious horror comedy...but it also tackles themes that really apply to the modern culture of capitalism, materialism and individualism....It literally ends with us realizing that the society in the movie is so absurd, that it would ignore a literal serial killer telling them that he's a killer because it would be an inconvenience or not profitable ( the old lady getting rid of the bodies to sell the apartment ). So in a seanse, by the end of it I kinda feel bad for Bateman ( which is crazy..) living in a system that creates and rewards psychopaths.
i remember in college mentioning this movie as one of the funniest satire ive seen. the guy didn't believe me. idk if they ever watched it years later. to think itd be a huge meme, a mindset to boot
@@bryanice3313 "icon" lmao as if the original satirical intentions of the book didn't exist. you're essentially saying that it's harder to make fun of liberals xD also if youre going to be annoying in the comments at least learn how to spell, for the love of god. you sound like a kid who just gained access to the internet.
I think because hes flawed (much like the other mentioned characters nina from black swan, pearl from x and Pearl etc), and women and a handful of men are smart enough to see that, however it's very tempting to idolise them. Imo This glamourization- It's an extreme form of resistance against the political correctness that seems to be the status quo now, and idk bout anyone else but i low key saw it coming..
i kow there nuance to your take which i do agree with at some points I find it hilarious that everything is coming full circle. Bateman is in everyone, everyone is bateman "He's like me frfr XD" is what my what my hyper feminine friend said when we watched the movie together
as a trans masc, I have a complex relationship with American psycho. I weirdly relate to the performance of masculinity, but I can also still laugh at it
i have a knife tatoo that says "i want to fit in" but never thought people would assume Im in a gang over this tattoo. I have to say everytime it's just a tattoo referencing my fav movie.
It’s always seemed to me, even in my darkest moments and states, that the memes tended to identify with the parts of American psycho that emphasized the emptiness of Bateman. Whether being ironic or not while using these memes, I always felt or saw them as a cry for help in a system that both sexes uphold by the behavior and expectations they have for one another. I felt that the way that capitalism exploits human desires and needs (sexual, social, material) has constructed a reality where a person not already getting their desires met by virtue of circumstance (how they were raised, where, how they look, social position at birth, etc) is barred from empathy. There is a pervasive meta irony where we know toxic masculinity is bad, but like late stage capitalism, it fulfills a niche and so no one alters their lives enough to eliminate it over the generations it would take. Those that do, after all, can only ever be limiters, leeches that hold back partners, friends, and families still striving in the traditional ways. And no one wants to lose what little connection they have. Even superficial and unreal as it is. I think the trend, and the times in my life where I identified with such trends, reflects the paradox of hyper capitalist, liberal culture: “Be who you want to be, but know that unless you happen to want what others think is worthy, your needs and desires for connection to others will be ignored”.
love this video spitting facts i’m a male and say patrick batemen is literally me ironically all the ways you explain but it feels like i can’t say it because so many other men like you pointed out legitimately look up to him
Guys who say "he's literally me" are so funny, you don't have a good job, you don't work out, you don't take care of your skin, you don't own a nice car, you don't eat right, and you don't have money. The only thing relatable to you and Bateman is that you get called a loser to your face.
The book is one of the few books I had a hard time reading. The murders are highly descriptive and far more grotesque than in the movie. The satirical nature of it really shines thru in the book but, like a lot of Hollywood stuff, it takes out a lot of the subtext for ppl to be able to come to the conclusion that you're not suppose to like Bateman, Joker, Dirden, Belfort all these characters. It does say a lot of the culture of men, that they can't discern that they shouldn't want to emulate them.
For what it's worth, there are at least two guys out here, me and the friend I passed the book onto, who related to Bateman not on the grounds that he was an alpha but because of his daft vanity and anxiety about utter trivia. And other than that, like you, I loved the book for its critiques of consumerism, sexism, machismo and more and can't really understand how Steinem missed that, though, to be fair to her, Germaine Greer somehow did too. It's a shame Ellis said that ridiculous thing about female directors, but, without any interest in making it about some similarly reductive boys v. girls argument, I really think the book's better than the film. The film is fine, it's probably about the best we could hope for in a condensation of such a big, unusual book into a conventional feature length, but the book is something else, practically a work of conceptual art, and much funnier. One thing I'll never understand is why the film left out what I think is almost the book's best dialogue, since it could have fit in easily: 'I don't know, it all just seems so futile.' 'Yes, futility can be...hard to deal with.'
he film was produced by mary hannon, a feminist. She however regretted the way the public received the end, the fact that all the murders were in the head of patrick bateman
it's someone reading from a script in an extremely monotonous voice for over half an our about one of the first meme-movies that's long since been talked to death
Love American Psycho, love John Berger, love your channel!! It's scary how I know how bad viewing that kind of morning routine stuff is but I also still know how much of a hold it has on me 😅
You arguments were so on point, that as a guy, I could resist the primary urge to debate your critique, I simply agree with everything you said here. Great video! I love looking at things from a different perspective.
Literally I fucking love the film so much since I saw it years back. It was funny, nuanced, and scary all at the same time (I should rewatch it again since I was a literal teenager then). Few years later Am Psycho started coming back into the scene but in alpha/sigma circle for men. the "That Girl" thing came up around the same time as well. I joked to myself that Bateman is literally that Girl 💅🏼✨️ and I guess I'm really not the only one now. Anyways, I'm so glad Christian Bale got the role. He acted out how he saw fit and really, he nailed it. I think he understood it better than the people that idolize this role of his.
I've been saying this since it came out (and weirdly it was the first movie I ever showed my ex-conservative Christian wife-- we're gay lol, don't worry)! There's an awesome interview from back then with the lead actor, the director, and the writer of the book that really digs into this topic and I'm pretty sure it came with the DVD-- highly recommend it:)
I love your channel But you need to change the font from a bubble font to a clean sans serif, black or dark grey. I can’t read the words on the screen. Thx. Great stuff. 😊
Most men are taking the whole sigma andrew tate Patrick batemen as a joke. I understand how easy it is to misunderstand and take it seriously. Us men have different humor to the point many women find it hardto understand
@@navaneethjeevan2956 I don't think they'd the case. It's not as simple as saying men have diffrent humour. Cuz there's some things men used to think was funny thst are now illegal. U see what I'm saying. I don't have men around Mr with such humour, I encounter ppl everyday and nobody uses such humour maybe behind closed doors but saying "our humour is just diffrent " is usually where the problem starts
@@navaneethjeevan2956 Most men IN FACT take these role models seriously, they just like to excuse themselfs with the "just a joke" card to not scare away people and build a bad repuptation. Nobody is that stupid to buy your "men have different humor" card.
@@lisa.222 our humors aint different a little bit indeed. Thats just a shitty excuse they like to use to excuse themselfs being assholes. Nothing more or less lies in it. And yes, also agree on the fact that these type of hypocrites shouldn't whine why women began to be more open about this type of aggressive "humor" too against men because theirs has been there since ages and we couldn't say anything against it, even the kind "hey, this makes me feel uncomfortable and disrespected, please stop" because even then we would have been betiteld as humorless, plain, hysteric and so on. In worst scenarious god knows how those men reacted with their sensetive personalities and the evidence lies directly in front of our nose with these men right here, when we show them their own medicine down their throats.
"I think American Psycho could have ended up a very different film if it had been directed by a man". yeah that pretty much sums it up. Thinking about a man's adaptation of this movie HORRIFIES me.
This video reminded me of my fellow NBC's Hannibal Lecter kinnies, tbh Hannibal should be relevant to tumblr girlies as much as Patrick cause he's JUST LIKE ME and I feel like sooo many female rage girls would relate to him too 😭 Great video btw I'm obsessed w your channel
I just realized what a complimentary double feature American Psycho & Fight Club would be. If you didn't get the hint while watching American Psycho, Fight Club drills the concept home, while also shitting all over consumerism and capitalism.
I hadn’t heard of this movie before until my ex (who self-identifies as an “alpha male”) sent me the scene of the guy breaking up with Reese Witherspoon’s character and I was like why did you send this to me and he replied “you’re not terribly important to me” I was like 👍🏾 👍🏾
Those proclaimed "alpha males" are very obnoxious and people should just stay away from them. The only reason why women are victims to such individuals are because they are attracted to certain qualities which I don't blame.
Well..i appreciate you saying it to the masses..i just hope there are more who have known this....also..i love brett easton ellis since Less than Zero..read American Psycho way back in hs..when it was first released..then banned for years..and i have re-read it many times. I agree that its def a Fem film
I watched this movie a month ago thinking it was going to be a semi serious movie about a crazy murderer, but then the excuse he uses in every situation “I have to go return some video tapes” completely shifted that
I talked about Showgirls briefly in my last video! But I feel like Broey Deschanel has already said everything worth saying about the film, you should check out her video if you haven’t already!🥰
I disagree that his true feelings were disgust, when luis touched him. I think that patrick Bateman is actively repressing homosexual feelings throughout the film, his queerness shines thru in a few moments, especially in how he acts with courtney, who is attracted to queer qualities, both in patrick, and luis her fiance. Her smile when she hears patrick say "wear something fabulous" says it all, for me. Beyond that, there's his taste in music, his focus on his own reflection during sex, etc...
@@user-bx8sj6qm3w I'm speaking from the pov of a trans woman who spent a lot of time repressing my queerness. I'd urge you to rewatch the film with an open mind. Obviously surface level taste isn't always indicative of queerness, but that's what I personally get out of the film.
Yeah i disagree, i tought he was actually disgusted with the idea of killing him because he thinked that he was another souless person who just stayed with him for money, and the he realized that he actually had deeper relationship likeness, well its open for interpration
@@susiefulton8453 Patrick doesn’t kill Luis, it’s opened to many possibilities, but I strongly doubt it’s because of queerness, Patrick was a character designed to be Homophobic, Racist, sexist, etc. he frequently uses homophobic slurs and insults, and he expresses disgust towards gay men and their sexual behavior.
Hey there! Im rn in the middle of writing a research paper about masculinity in crisis in contemporary media and stumbled across your video (really like it!), i was looking to find the essay by brooke borglum you are referencing at 18:00, but i couldnt find it:c would you mind sharing where you found it/send me a link or sth? that would be really cool!!
Great video, thanks for a fresh take on this movie., I'm so tired of how men idolise Patrick Bateman and don't het that it's a satire at all. The only thing that you were mistaken about though, is that the co-writer's name is Guinevere Turner, rather than Genevieve.
As a guy, I think that most guys who idolize him are actually losers, however he is still appealing to us outside of his treatment of women and such because he embodies a masculinity that is uncaged and free from the confines of what society would tell us is bad/unnatural/inherently evil and that is to be freely ourselves. That doesn’t mean killing people for no reason or treating people like shit. It means we want to find ways to express ourselves in a world that makes our expressions invalid. He is unfettered like the article states.
The thing is hes really shallow, a massive coward and pretty effeminate (not that that is a bad thing) but Its honestly perplexing that men idolise him considering how much he _doesnt_ conform to traditional masculinity, in fact in the book hes strongly suggested to be closeted. maybe there aren't any real heroes but I digress smh
@@tcrijwanachoudhury Ellis is gay, and I think Bateman is similar to many of my gay. male friends who have strong and even unhinged feminine and masculine aspects of their personas. I think it's more about the vacuity of American culture in the 80s which Ellis experienced living in NYC after his initial rush of success. Ellis has an interesting podcast where he does deep dives into film and art and he sounds like Bateman because he hates everybody and everything except, perhaps, Citizen Kane and other classics.
I had a very good friend from middle school/high school who, years later, became obsessed with this film. He seemed to idolize Patrick Bateman. His FB photo was a pic of him. As he fell further into this toxic mindset - and his alcoholism - he started pulling me into a much worse headspace. I kept excusing or even justifying his perspectives, or increasingly my own. We both lacked great role models for happy healthy parents, though he had it worse than I did. But I did really begin to dislike how he treated the people around him: both myself, and other mutual friends he constantly talked down about. I distinctly remember a conversation I had with him, after I'd been away for about a year for school, then moved back. I was hanging out with him and this new group of friends of his, and we were sitting there at the table. His other friends were out of earshot. He started talking to me about how they were easy to manage. This guy did this thing, that guy would do this annoying thing but you could say this to "put him in his place". It was pretty shocking and eye-opening to the way I suspected he approached our own "friendship", or "friendships" with mutual acquaintances. I got busy shortly after that, and stopped calling or texting him. Partially due to genuinely being busy, but partially because I increasingly felt distrustful of him and didn't really want to spend my limited social time with him. I was stressed enough with school, and didn't feel like I had the mental/emotional energy to navigate the situation. He'd also become quite the social manipulator, and so I heard back-channel through some friends about things he was saying. The next couple times I saw him through mutual acquaintances, I think he felt slighted that I never reached out (though neither did he - I began to realize he relished being the one to be contacted), because he really went out of his way to be a dick. I actually carried internal guilt for years for letting our "friendship" die. But in retrospect, it's absolutely one of the best choices I've made in my life. 10/10 would recommend if anyone reading this is in a similar boat. Unsurprisingly, this guy also is/was a massive fan of both Kanye and Trump.
You like Patrick Bateman? The early receptions of the character were a little too sensitive for my tastes. But when the sigma misinterpretations circulated online in 2020, I think he really came into his own, culturally and iconically. The whole character has a cold, egocentric personality, and a new sheen of psychotic outbursts that really gives the audience’s dubiousness a big boost. He’s been compared to Travis Bickle, but I think Patrick has a far more bitter, cynical attitude towards his peers. In 2000, Patrick Bateman starred in this, American Psycho, his most accomplished appearance. I think his undisputed masterpiece is the opening monologue, with a sequence so physically scrupulous, most people probably don’t even listen to his underlying intentions. But they should, because it’s not just about overly meticulous attempts at conformity and the importance of appearances, it’s also a personal statement about the man himself! Hey Paul!
I rarely watch thrillers and horror films, but I watched this on a whim in one sitting when it was available for free. I went in knowing nothing about the film’s plot or production. Let me tell you,,, realising at the beginning of the movie that American Psycho is a ruthless satire made my first watch-through such a bizarre and pleasantly surprising experience. Almost everything I’d seen online until that point valued the movie for its surface-most content. I was left more unsettled by the lack of media literacy required to leave this film without awareness of the satire than by the content of the film itself!! You were on-the-money with the comparison of how men and women (in general) mean very different things when saying “he’s just like me!” lol. I’d add that the element of performance (an element to which many women, if not most, can relate) is part of why Bateman fits well with characters like Amy Dunn, Jennifer Check, and Nina from Black Swan.
I love this movie, never identified with Batemann. The fact that men can idolize a character like Batemann encompasses the problems in our society. Now men idolize Hitlers, Trumps, and Bolsonaros, they call themselves red pills (the irony), incels, and wear their hatred toward women as a badge. And there is the misinterpretation and appropriation of characters and movies that are against misogynous, racist behavior. I mean I now these incels are dumb as doormats, but come on...
it’s so funny that the sigmas have adopted patrick bateman as their mascot because he is literally a satirical character making fun of that crowd
Yeah we know, but we embrace it :)
Yeah, in the end, they know... they are a joke.
@@murky-snickett2961 LMAO
same with tyler durden, I assumed marla singer wasn't real
@@Mondragora99 they're actually gammas in that hierarchy, coping to the contrary
a sigma wouldn't care
The funniest part is that people who think America Psycho is a sigma male movie don’t know that it was directed by a woman.
We do. We just don't care.
Only a woman can encapsulate the feeling of vanity, passive aggression, delusion and psychopathy shown in that movie.
Honestly though 99 percent of the sigma thing is meme. Very few people are that delusional.
and ? how is that releavnt wheter we like him or not also the writter is a trump supporter
@shrödinger's cat here's my real point. An ideology or philosophy is never good or bad. What is though is how they're applied in the real world and the effects caused, always positive and negative. "Sigma" barely even qualifies as an ideology because its true ideological nature is still up for debate.
@shrödinger's cat it's not in the real world, it's in a film. Hence why you have to specify that it's "negative" thus denoting its satirical nature. Otherwise you may think it's an accurate representation and not totally exaggerated. Which is what satire is.
I should have said "It's still a "sigma male" movie, even if it's a satirical one." The fact that Bateman is a psychopath and serial killer also makes it negative.
I was literally laughing my ass off when i first saw business card scene
Same 😭
@@FinalGirlStudios I showed this film to a girl and she hated me, some people just don't understand satire. I warned her it was kidding. She still hates me and thinks I have a murderer fetish.
If you look at the derealisation and depersonalisation bits and the traits of borderline personality, a lot of men are under-diagnosed for borderline so the guys unironic might be male borderlines. Constantly empty feeling and characteristic of BPD is 'splitting' like Freud's Madonna/Wh0re complex.
Don Draper has histrionic personality, the seductive one.
any time I get a new business card for work, I compulsively post a picture of it (with identifying information covered) with the caption "my god, it even has a watermark."
same 😭 some parts of that movie are so funny and the actors delivery just 🤌
@@seabreeze4559 ueah, same with the movie "Scream" some people don't get satire.
Patrick Bateman really teaching us men how to do a skincare routine over 20 years ago.
And you still haven't learned. Walking around looking like old leather shoes.
@@Maialeen I guess so
The initial reaction to American Psycho is kind of hilarious, most people simply not comprehending it is a satire, intended to mock the toxic yuppie culture of the 1980s by taking its implicit narcissism to its psychotic extreme. Bret Easton Ellis took years to come out as gay, knowing full well it would affect the interpretation of the book.
I mean yeah, the most vile and hateful misogynists I've ever met were gay men. They just hide it better than straights
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why u assume they dont knoew? thye knoew and threy like it, also the writter is a trump supporter
@@bryanice3313 I'm sure the incels totally understand and appreciate American Psycho for its satire, you're so right 😌
@@bryanice3313 He's not a Trump supporter. The key line's in this interview: 'I'm not pro-Trump.' ruclips.net/video/1EObNbjS7Zg/видео.html
Bret: I wanted to write a feminist book.
Also Bret: Women can't direct!
Men, am I right?
and ? how is that releavnt wheter we like him or not also the writter is a trump supporter
@@bryanice3313 I don't understand your point. Just pointing out the inconsistency of the writer. And he is a trumpet? 😂 ew.
@@AngieDeAguirre I think it's a bot. I've seen this same comment, from the same profile, a half-dozen times. That or byran is genuinely Unhinged.
I believe we need to be better and stop blaming men and women for the hypocrites from both parties
@@colonizingfear that sounds like a great start to me!
I always thought the "Literally me" memes were ironic seeing how unrelatable Bateman is and how cartoonishly laughable the dialogue in the script is. I didn't know people took them seriously or thought Bateman was actually relatable. Can someone explain to me how the movie isn't satire and how people get through it without laughing hysterically throughout the whole thing.
I mean I think there is a level of irony to most of the “literally me” memes even amongst men and boys. But you can tell that there are men and boys (I’d say mostly teen boys) who take Bateman slightly seriously. And even if they don’t aspire to Patrick Bateman I feel like there is an unquestionable link between the huge rise in the perhaps ironic “sigma memes” featuring Bateman and the very real cult following of men like Andrew Tate, who is very much the embodiment of everything Patrick Bateman satirizes.
I also think there are many people who genuinely don’t realize the director and screenwriters of American Psycho are women, and therefore they’re not approaching it with that subtext.
@@FinalGirlStudios I didn’t know the director was a woman and I still could see the irony. Of all the “sigma” characters Bateman is by far the most ridiculous. I see why people might take Ryan Gosling memes seriously because they tend to be more melancholic, but American Psycho is clearly pure stupidity. And I’m not even a feminist.
Hes relatable in his flaws. As an autistic man, I don't relate to how he feels about women or how he treats those he feels lower than him in the film, but I do relate to the scenes where there is an explicit focus on his mental breakdown. If you don't interpret the ending as if he truly killed those people (which I know the director said is a wrong take), you can interpret the movie as one, massive mental breakdown from a adult man who has been masking for his entire life for the sake of others around him, always with the knowledge that the life he leads is completely frivolous and futile, yet due to his upbringing he can't escape those pathetic habits, thus leading him to indulge in those horrible, halucinatory fantasies in his head after his lifestyle and his inner feelings finally takes a toll on him.
Not only its a feminist film satirizing the ridiculousness of such a lifestyle coming from men, but its also a film detailing how tragic this hyper-masculine lifestyle *is* on men themselves. Despite women being the ultimate victims of the patriarchy, men can be crushed by its expectations and its demands. Its a horrible circle for everyone.
i can see (now) how confusing it may seem to some people that i loved the satire of the movie, but take the relatability of the memes seriously (thanks to meta irony). and that is because i seriously relate to his delusion and narcissism, since being aware of those behaviors in myself doesn't "cure" me of them. so, yes, literally me! while i discuss the very real hyper masculinity culture's impact on the lives of real women as real violence. and honestly they even go hand in hand bc i can't stay in either of those postures for +1h without nEEDING the other to detoxify.
@@arthurg.calixto3338 the last one was beautifully explained, thank you.
I watched American Psycho with my cousin for the first time last summer and we loved it, we were cracking up the whole time. there’s a lot to say about this movie but guys who feel like they “genuinely relate” to this movie forgetting that it’s supposed to be satirical worry me…💀
and ? how is that releavnt wheter we like him or not also the writter is a trump supporter
@@bryanice3313 if you really think that's going to upset anyone, most people here are already aware of what bret easton ellis is like and we do not care. he didn't direct the movie (better than the book) and we can separate the art from the artist.
cassie’s skin care mental breakdown also parallels the bateman skin care routine a lot
im just like patrick bateman bc i have a personality disorder and i love huey lewis and the news
Are u me?
Lol same
Wait no
@@garybartley9879 Based
looool
it’s so ironic that the author said women can’t direct and all film needs the mail gaze💀
@@garybartley9879 So that means she as well as other women can't direct?
@@tshidi129 yes
I was a big fan of Bret Easton Ellis after I saw the film and then read this book and a few others and some of his interviews and honestly I’m a bit puzzled by how he can say that, unless he was being tongue in cheek, and taken out of context. Which is VERY possible for some headline. But then again, who knows. I haven’t read anything the man’s said in a very long time so it’s possible he could have somehow flipped entirely in some way but he’s always seemed like a very self-aware and decent person which is why I was able to stomach his work. Idk?
My favorite way to gaze at mail is when the mailman is walking around with that big bag of mail 😅🥵
Male*
The morning routine videos with that Patrick's voice over is GENIUS
the way men idolize bateman reminds me of how they do it with walter white too, who is also as a character a commentary about masculinity and the “need to provide”
it's funny how they're also both serial killers. and the only "providing" walter did was providing ptsd, disharmony and the destruction of the family unit. the way people chose to misinterpret these blatantly flawed characters and idolize them so wholeheartedly to no end is ... not even surprising anymore. it's also funny how so many of them dog on skylar for BEING UPSET THAT THE MAN SHE MARRIED COMPLETELY CHANGED, DID A 180 AND BECAME AN EMOTIONLESS MURDERER.
Bruh I literally just saw American Psycho for the first time on Sunday after avoiding it for years for the same reasons you did, lol crazy
Omg what a coincidence! Did you enjoy it?
@@FinalGirlStudios Yes! I thought it was hilarious satire and in retrospect am shocked at all the people I knew before watching it that thought any different.
As someone who watched the film pretty shortly after its release and loved it, I've had to watch how I talk about this film for all those years. It's such a misunderstood movie. People tend to make pretty wild assumptions about you if you express your appreciation. It brings me allot of joy to see other women appreciating it and defending it for its feminism. I've had so many contemptuous arguments with women who have never seen the film on this subject.
I only read the book many years later. I love the book too. They are actually shockingly similar. Harron and Turner really refined the book into the best movie I think it could possibly be. They focused the satire for the medium of film brilliantly.
I'm also a sucker for the musical despite it missing the mark thematically. I just can't resist its absurdity and 80s inspired bangers.
the writter is a trump supporter
final girl studios is for the girls ❤️
It issss!!😭💖
You are quickly becoming one of my favorite video essayists on RUclips; thank you for all you do to make these videos so insightful, informative, and entertaining.
Also, loving how more are discovering how American Psycho is really for the girls. ✨ He’s just like us. ✨
Ah, that is so sweet of you to say thank you so much! 💖 Patrick Bateman is one of the girlies 💅🏻
I'm an 18 year old young man, and I could tell right away that American Psycho is a satire of toxic masculinity and 80s Wallstreet. Despite Patrick Bateman being the main character, I still found him to be a pathetic man, who wants nothing other than to impress and be like other men in his profession. But even then, I still like to quote the movie and joke about the Huey Lewis scene, not because I'm laughing with Patrick, but because I'm laughing at him (that and it's a well-made film, of course).
the use of the fiona apple and quentin tarantino clip was so perfect
I watched this film with my sister and we both really enjoyed it and found some scenes hilarious. Especially the business card scene. To any normal person all those business cards looked the same but to a group of men who are obsessed with validation and appearances they don’t and are all trying to one up each other. You can clearly tell Batemans character is satire and overly dramatic so I’m surprised many of the sigma community take his character so seriously. I’m not into all this sigma bs but Patrick Bateman is far from a sigma. One relatable thing about this man though is his skincare routine. I definitely saw myself when watching that scene lmao
This was brilliantly written, thank you for sharing your thoughts! I've been wrestling with the thought for a while now, especially since reading the book, that the absurdity of his character is what makes him relatable.
He is the internal, paranoid dialogue. I value both perspectives, but I personally believe that the events in the story were fabricated in his mind as a visual manifestation of his violent and intrusive thoughts. The only "reliable", and I use that word loosely, view we have of Patrick is how others describe him-- he is anxious, neurotic and weak-willed. He's forgettable. He could be anyone.
I really appreciated that you highlighted that Bateman is written as a "loser". The novel goes a little bit more into it as well, like just how heavily he hangs onto the opinion on others and seems to only exist to be valued and viewed by others' lenses, someone else's desires. Hell, he hallucinates at a U2 concert and compares touching hands with the lead singer to a religious experience.
the edit of that girl routine over the monologue is so accurate. its too funny to me.
Lol I watched this movie for the first time in my freshman year of college for a forensics/psychology assignment (I did two majors and can’t remember which class it was for). Doing research for this movie for my assignment made me realize how hilarious it is that people didn’t realize it was satire and how scary it is that men idolize this man
and ? how is that releavnt wheter we like him or not also the writter is a trump supporter
@@bryanice3313 stop spamming this everywhere, kid
It's fucked up that this video helped me realize just how similar men and women really are, if only we could just all be people rather than these stereotypes we think make up humanity.
Fact's
similar? i dont think so
@@pibun3043 More similar than different.
@@pibun3043we are all human
It reminds me of how the book lolita was romanticized it seems like its happening again
It is so bad that it becomes good.
Omg and it is so so excruciatingly bad, to anyone reading this: don't do this to yourself, go watch anything else
@@caiqueportolira Dont watch lolita? Too bad I already have
@@internetgirl4617no, the book.
Lolita is a book that warns of the dangers of pedophila, grooming, etc. A good book, but if a man ever walks up to me and says that Lolita is one of his favorite ROMANCE books of all time, I will scream and run away from him as fast as possible.
i’m a film student, and i broke a sigma male film bro in one of my first film classes ever because i told him his favorite “hero-movie” (American Psycho) was directed and written by women, and the original book was written by a gay man.
It’s hard work but someone’s gotta do it 😔💪🏻💯
Your videos are changing my life and saying so much about me, I’m 30 years old and I have the feminine rage and existential dread only a woman of my age can feel. I am not a girl not yet a woman- due to economic circumstance it’s been memed to death that I’m 30 but feel 22, like someone barely figuring out how to pay the light bill via the company’s app and what to make for dinner. I won’t own a home until I’m 50. If being an adult is owning a home I won’t be an adult until I’m 50. Lacking economic freedom is being just like a teenager- trapped in my room, AGAIN. Obsessing over what I’m doing and not doing, what I’m eating and not eating. Being a woman has felt like a fucking prison, ever since my mom showed me how to shave when I was 9 and when I got my period at 15 and my twin brother didn’t. There were many things that made us different but the proof was there in the toilet boil and all over my aeorpastel cargo shorts- my life was going to be more painful than his. Life is a museum- you have to be quiet and slow and thoughtful and you can’t touch anything.
Ive noticed there are two major types of "sigmas" or "literally me",
The reason a lot of people relate to these characters is due to their flaws and struggles, they all seem to share a component of lonelyness and emptyness among other problems, they all seem to be at a breaking point or have reached it and this can be very relatable to people, i have even seen men relating to female "sigmas", this is one of the side of the coin
The other being wanting to be like them, i have yet to see someone actually glorify killing people or being a bad person, everytime i see someone using one of these characters as people to look up to is only their good traits like being succesful or brave and such, basically ignoring the bad aspects and focusing on the good ones,
This also connects to the shared link between "sigma" characters and self improvement.
I've always thought it was just a joke, It's ironic.
Yeah Hollywood superstar Ryan Gosling is literally me cause he's lonely and cynical in some of his movies.
100% agree with the first point, hell, I've seen women who adopt "sigma" personas, but the second one I half agree with you on. While I have never seen anyone who genuinely thinks serial killing is cool (at least, not openly), I have seen men who seem to think that what Walter White did was justified, or that Travis Bickle is genuinely cool, and not basically a proto-incel who resorted to a violent explosion because he's a loser.
I’m gonna rewatch…lowkey I couldn’t stand it at first watching it but I should give it another go. I think perspective and where you’re coming from when you start something is important, and after hearing other women’s perspective about satire and how it’s actually for women will have me go into it with a different pov bc I def thought it was just another slasher. Now it’s funny how men obsessed w him bc of diff reasons view him, losers tbh.
I love American Psycho and I’m a woman. More then anything I’m laughing my ass off the whole time. It was pretty obvious to me that it was a satire and I had fun watching it. Plus Christian Bale was so damn fine in this movie 😍
American Psycho and Fight Club are some of my favourite movies ( even though I'm a female...and not sure how it's relevant ).
I love American Psycho because it's a hilarious horror comedy...but it also tackles themes that really apply to the modern culture of capitalism, materialism and individualism....It literally ends with us realizing that the society in the movie is so absurd, that it would ignore a literal serial killer telling them that he's a killer because it would be an inconvenience or not profitable ( the old lady getting rid of the bodies to sell the apartment ).
So in a seanse, by the end of it I kinda feel bad for Bateman ( which is crazy..) living in a system that creates and rewards psychopaths.
One of my favorite video essays I've seen in a long time, absolutely loved this one. Keep up the good work!
The satire about toxic masculinity is so obvious, any man who doesn’t catch that is just dumb
They’re 12 they grow out it
Amazing video as always! Im so certain this channel will become waaay bigger one day. Your hard work is appreciated❤️
Thank you so much!🥰💖
@@FinalGirlStudios you’re so welcome!
i remember in college mentioning this movie as one of the funniest satire ive seen. the guy didn't believe me. idk if they ever watched it years later. to think itd be a huge meme, a mindset to boot
yes poeple love right wing icons, u cant make amnythignj good about a liberal
@@bryanice3313 "icon" lmao as if the original satirical intentions of the book didn't exist. you're essentially saying that it's harder to make fun of liberals xD also if youre going to be annoying in the comments at least learn how to spell, for the love of god. you sound like a kid who just gained access to the internet.
I think because hes flawed (much like the other mentioned characters nina from black swan, pearl from x and Pearl etc), and women and a handful of men are smart enough to see that, however it's very tempting to idolise them. Imo This glamourization- It's an extreme form of resistance against the political correctness that seems to be the status quo now, and idk bout anyone else but i low key saw it coming..
I agree!
the writter is a trump supporter, bret never intended to write a liberal character, he is clearkly a righ wing icon
i kow there nuance to your take which i do agree with at some points I find it hilarious that everything is coming full circle. Bateman is in everyone, everyone is bateman "He's like me frfr XD" is what my what my hyper feminine friend said when we watched the movie together
Hahaha agreed, we are all just Patrick Bateman at the end of the day 😔
I'm shocked there hadn't been made such a good American Psycho video analysis until now.
as a trans masc, I have a complex relationship with American psycho. I weirdly relate to the performance of masculinity, but I can also still laugh at it
That definitely makes sense! Also I love ur profile picture😭 I use that picture as my profile picture on chess.com hahaha
🤮🤮🤮Transsexuals
In 10 years will you still be a trans masc?
Big mood.
How am I just now finding this!? Instant sub, this analysis is fantastic.
i have a knife tatoo that says "i want to fit in" but never thought people would assume Im in a gang over this tattoo. I have to say everytime it's just a tattoo referencing my fav movie.
I’m literally him
We all are 😪
It’s always seemed to me, even in my darkest moments and states, that the memes tended to identify with the parts of American psycho that emphasized the emptiness of Bateman. Whether being ironic or not while using these memes, I always felt or saw them as a cry for help in a system that both sexes uphold by the behavior and expectations they have for one another. I felt that the way that capitalism exploits human desires and needs (sexual, social, material) has constructed a reality where a person not already getting their desires met by virtue of circumstance (how they were raised, where, how they look, social position at birth, etc) is barred from empathy. There is a pervasive meta irony where we know toxic masculinity is bad, but like late stage capitalism, it fulfills a niche and so no one alters their lives enough to eliminate it over the generations it would take. Those that do, after all, can only ever be limiters, leeches that hold back partners, friends, and families still striving in the traditional ways. And no one wants to lose what little connection they have. Even superficial and unreal as it is. I think the trend, and the times in my life where I identified with such trends, reflects the paradox of hyper capitalist, liberal culture: “Be who you want to be, but know that unless you happen to want what others think is worthy, your needs and desires for connection to others will be ignored”.
love this video spitting facts
i’m a male and say patrick batemen is literally me ironically all the ways you explain but it feels like i can’t say it because so many other men like you pointed out legitimately look up to him
Guys who say "he's literally me" are so funny, you don't have a good job, you don't work out, you don't take care of your skin, you don't own a nice car, you don't eat right, and you don't have money. The only thing relatable to you and Bateman is that you get called a loser to your face.
girrrrrrrrrl its so giving hate
The book is one of the few books I had a hard time reading. The murders are highly descriptive and far more grotesque than in the movie. The satirical nature of it really shines thru in the book but, like a lot of Hollywood stuff, it takes out a lot of the subtext for ppl to be able to come to the conclusion that you're not suppose to like Bateman, Joker, Dirden, Belfort all these characters. It does say a lot of the culture of men, that they can't discern that they shouldn't want to emulate them.
Liked and subbed, saw now two videos of yours. I like your well researched and interesting take on things. Cant wait to see more of your videos!
For what it's worth, there are at least two guys out here, me and the friend I passed the book onto, who related to Bateman not on the grounds that he was an alpha but because of his daft vanity and anxiety about utter trivia. And other than that, like you, I loved the book for its critiques of consumerism, sexism, machismo and more and can't really understand how Steinem missed that, though, to be fair to her, Germaine Greer somehow did too.
It's a shame Ellis said that ridiculous thing about female directors, but, without any interest in making it about some similarly reductive boys v. girls argument, I really think the book's better than the film. The film is fine, it's probably about the best we could hope for in a condensation of such a big, unusual book into a conventional feature length, but the book is something else, practically a work of conceptual art, and much funnier. One thing I'll never understand is why the film left out what I think is almost the book's best dialogue, since it could have fit in easily: 'I don't know, it all just seems so futile.' 'Yes, futility can be...hard to deal with.'
The Huey Lewis parody of this movie on Funny or Die is awesome.
15:24 the business card scene is a huge meme in itself lol
I agree. One of my favourite movies too
Brett Easton Ellis thinks the film is too woke, which is perfect. He is trash, and pissing him off gives me joy.
he film was produced by mary hannon, a feminist. She however regretted the way the public received the end, the fact that all the murders were in the head of patrick bateman
But there’s evidence that contradicts that ending
this videos so good i'm surprised it dosent have more views
it's someone reading from a script in an extremely monotonous voice for over half an our about one of the first meme-movies that's long since been talked to death
Love American Psycho, love John Berger, love your channel!! It's scary how I know how bad viewing that kind of morning routine stuff is but I also still know how much of a hold it has on me 😅
You arguments were so on point, that as a guy, I could resist the primary urge to debate your critique, I simply agree with everything you said here. Great video! I love looking at things from a different perspective.
refreshing and interesting take as usual - love your content always
Thank you!! 💖
Wow I love this perspective and I am convinced!
Literally I fucking love the film so much since I saw it years back. It was funny, nuanced, and scary all at the same time (I should rewatch it again since I was a literal teenager then). Few years later Am Psycho started coming back into the scene but in alpha/sigma circle for men. the "That Girl" thing came up around the same time as well. I joked to myself that Bateman is literally that Girl 💅🏼✨️ and I guess I'm really not the only one now.
Anyways, I'm so glad Christian Bale got the role. He acted out how he saw fit and really, he nailed it. I think he understood it better than the people that idolize this role of his.
I've been saying this since it came out (and weirdly it was the first movie I ever showed my ex-conservative Christian wife-- we're gay lol, don't worry)! There's an awesome interview from back then with the lead actor, the director, and the writer of the book that really digs into this topic and I'm pretty sure it came with the DVD-- highly recommend it:)
I love your channel
But you need to change the font from a bubble font to a clean sans serif, black or dark grey. I can’t read the words on the screen. Thx. Great stuff. 😊
It's interesting when some men look up to a serial killer cahacters like this, but when girls look up to toxic women characters, they get mad
Most men are taking the whole sigma andrew tate Patrick batemen as a joke. I understand how easy it is to misunderstand and take it seriously. Us men have different humor to the point many women find it hardto understand
@@navaneethjeevan2956 yeah, but some men(young men) do not understand this because a lot of young men are gulliable
@@navaneethjeevan2956 I don't think they'd the case. It's not as simple as saying men have diffrent humour. Cuz there's some things men used to think was funny thst are now illegal. U see what I'm saying. I don't have men around Mr with such humour, I encounter ppl everyday and nobody uses such humour maybe behind closed doors but saying "our humour is just diffrent " is usually where the problem starts
@@navaneethjeevan2956 Most men IN FACT take these role models seriously, they just like to excuse themselfs with the "just a joke" card to not scare away people and build a bad repuptation. Nobody is that stupid to buy your "men have different humor" card.
@@lisa.222 our humors aint different a little bit indeed. Thats just a shitty excuse they like to use to excuse themselfs being assholes. Nothing more or less lies in it. And yes, also agree on the fact that these type of hypocrites shouldn't whine why women began to be more open about this type of aggressive "humor" too against men because theirs has been there since ages and we couldn't say anything against it, even the kind "hey, this makes me feel uncomfortable and disrespected, please stop" because even then we would have been betiteld as humorless, plain, hysteric and so on. In worst scenarious god knows how those men reacted with their sensetive personalities and the evidence lies directly in front of our nose with these men right here, when we show them their own medicine down their throats.
4:38 Girl, that edit is everything
Loved the breakdown
I've been obsessed with Patrick Bateman since middle school. I legit love that movie and it's hands down Christian Bale's best role
I love your content!!!!!
Thank you so much!💖
"I think American Psycho could have ended up a very different film if it had been directed by a man". yeah that pretty much sums it up. Thinking about a man's adaptation of this movie HORRIFIES me.
This is so true. 20 years ago when i first watched this film i aspired to be like him. His morning routine has stuck with me since then
This video reminded me of my fellow NBC's Hannibal Lecter kinnies, tbh Hannibal should be relevant to tumblr girlies as much as Patrick cause he's JUST LIKE ME and I feel like sooo many female rage girls would relate to him too 😭
Great video btw I'm obsessed w your channel
This film is not only relatable but hilarious to me! "I'm in touch with humanity!" I died😂
Watching this as I do my morning routine 👍
This was a brilliant video essay. Perfectly articulates how this movie resonates with women.
Impressive, very nice!
Love ur videos 💕💕💕
I just realized what a complimentary double feature American Psycho & Fight Club would be.
If you didn't get the hint while watching American Psycho, Fight Club drills the concept home, while also shitting all over consumerism and capitalism.
Read the book and it's other novels by Ellis. Perspective is interesting 🌺
Love this film and this video :)
I hadn’t heard of this movie before until my ex (who self-identifies as an “alpha male”) sent me the scene of the guy breaking up with Reese Witherspoon’s character and I was like why did you send this to me and he replied “you’re not terribly important to me”
I was like 👍🏾 👍🏾
Being called an alpha 👍🏼
Calling yourself an alpha 👎🏼
Those proclaimed "alpha males" are very obnoxious and people should just stay away from them. The only reason why women are victims to such individuals are because they are attracted to certain qualities which I don't blame.
My god, how old was your ex??? 🤣🤣 That sounds like something a 14 year old Tate fanboy would do.
Woah!!!!!! Glad you're not dealing with that mess anymore
Omg you're so lucky he dumped you, future mass shooting
This video has made me realize I need to stop joking about him being "just like me fr" 💀
Well..i appreciate you saying it to the masses..i just hope there are more who have known this....also..i love brett easton ellis since Less than Zero..read American Psycho way back in hs..when it was first released..then banned for years..and i have re-read it many times. I agree that its def a Fem film
I've always thought it was a brilliant dark comedy
This hit home
I never understood this movie like this until now. I’d like to watch it again after this to see how it feels like now.
I was waiting for you to end this video with a line like "This confession has meant everything".
American Psycho is a movie where Batman kills the Joker with an ax to the face :)
6:05 I lost it at the end 😂😂
This is super interesting
I watched this movie a month ago thinking it was going to be a semi serious movie about a crazy murderer, but then the excuse he uses in every situation “I have to go return some video tapes” completely shifted that
Would love to hear you talk about showgirls
I talked about Showgirls briefly in my last video! But I feel like Broey Deschanel has already said everything worth saying about the film, you should check out her video if you haven’t already!🥰
@@FinalGirlStudios I’ll check it out, thanks!
This video has convinced me to watch this movie and actually give it a chance. It’s just kinda crazy how so many men idolize it…
I disagree that his true feelings were disgust, when luis touched him. I think that patrick Bateman is actively repressing homosexual feelings throughout the film, his queerness shines thru in a few moments, especially in how he acts with courtney, who is attracted to queer qualities, both in patrick, and luis her fiance. Her smile when she hears patrick say "wear something fabulous" says it all, for me. Beyond that, there's his taste in music, his focus on his own reflection during sex, etc...
So liking music and fashion and caring about how you look is gay 🗿🗿🗿🗿
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I'm speaking from the pov of a trans woman who spent a lot of time repressing my queerness. I'd urge you to rewatch the film with an open mind. Obviously surface level taste isn't always indicative of queerness, but that's what I personally get out of the film.
Yeah i disagree, i tought he was actually disgusted with the idea of killing him because he thinked that he was another souless person who just stayed with him for money, and the he realized that he actually had deeper relationship likeness, well its open for interpration
@@susiefulton8453 Patrick doesn’t kill Luis, it’s opened to many possibilities, but I strongly doubt it’s because of queerness, Patrick was a character designed to be Homophobic, Racist, sexist, etc. he frequently uses homophobic slurs and insults, and he expresses disgust towards gay men and their sexual behavior.
Are you joking or being genuine
Hey there! Im rn in the middle of writing a research paper about masculinity in crisis in contemporary media and stumbled across your video (really like it!), i was looking to find the essay by brooke borglum you are referencing at 18:00, but i couldnt find it:c would you mind sharing where you found it/send me a link or sth? that would be really cool!!
Great video, thanks for a fresh take on this movie., I'm so tired of how men idolise Patrick Bateman and don't het that it's a satire at all. The only thing that you were mistaken about though, is that the co-writer's name is Guinevere Turner, rather than Genevieve.
As a guy, I think that most guys who idolize him are actually losers, however he is still appealing to us outside of his treatment of women and such because he embodies a masculinity that is uncaged and free from the confines of what society would tell us is bad/unnatural/inherently evil and that is to be freely ourselves. That doesn’t mean killing people for no reason or treating people like shit. It means we want to find ways to express ourselves in a world that makes our expressions invalid. He is unfettered like the article states.
The thing is hes really shallow, a massive coward and pretty effeminate (not that that is a bad thing) but Its honestly perplexing that men idolise him considering how much he _doesnt_ conform to traditional masculinity, in fact in the book hes strongly suggested to be closeted. maybe there aren't any real heroes but I digress smh
@@tcrijwanachoudhury Ellis is gay, and I think Bateman is similar to many of my gay. male friends who have strong and even unhinged feminine and masculine aspects of their personas. I think it's more about the vacuity of American culture in the 80s which Ellis experienced living in NYC after his initial rush of success. Ellis has an interesting podcast where he does deep dives into film and art and he sounds like Bateman because he hates everybody and everything except, perhaps, Citizen Kane and other classics.
I definitely agree!!
I had a very good friend from middle school/high school who, years later, became obsessed with this film. He seemed to idolize Patrick Bateman. His FB photo was a pic of him. As he fell further into this toxic mindset - and his alcoholism - he started pulling me into a much worse headspace. I kept excusing or even justifying his perspectives, or increasingly my own. We both lacked great role models for happy healthy parents, though he had it worse than I did. But I did really begin to dislike how he treated the people around him: both myself, and other mutual friends he constantly talked down about.
I distinctly remember a conversation I had with him, after I'd been away for about a year for school, then moved back. I was hanging out with him and this new group of friends of his, and we were sitting there at the table. His other friends were out of earshot. He started talking to me about how they were easy to manage. This guy did this thing, that guy would do this annoying thing but you could say this to "put him in his place". It was pretty shocking and eye-opening to the way I suspected he approached our own "friendship", or "friendships" with mutual acquaintances. I got busy shortly after that, and stopped calling or texting him. Partially due to genuinely being busy, but partially because I increasingly felt distrustful of him and didn't really want to spend my limited social time with him. I was stressed enough with school, and didn't feel like I had the mental/emotional energy to navigate the situation. He'd also become quite the social manipulator, and so I heard back-channel through some friends about things he was saying. The next couple times I saw him through mutual acquaintances, I think he felt slighted that I never reached out (though neither did he - I began to realize he relished being the one to be contacted), because he really went out of his way to be a dick.
I actually carried internal guilt for years for letting our "friendship" die. But in retrospect, it's absolutely one of the best choices I've made in my life. 10/10 would recommend if anyone reading this is in a similar boat.
Unsurprisingly, this guy also is/was a massive fan of both Kanye and Trump.
The guys who idolize him are just insecure and depressed
Profound Truth💋
You like Patrick Bateman? The early receptions of the character were a little too sensitive for my tastes. But when the sigma misinterpretations circulated online in 2020, I think he really came into his own, culturally and iconically. The whole character has a cold, egocentric personality, and a new sheen of psychotic outbursts that really gives the audience’s dubiousness a big boost. He’s been compared to Travis Bickle, but I think Patrick has a far more bitter, cynical attitude towards his peers.
In 2000, Patrick Bateman starred in this, American Psycho, his most accomplished appearance. I think his undisputed masterpiece is the opening monologue, with a sequence so physically scrupulous, most people probably don’t even listen to his underlying intentions. But they should, because it’s not just about overly meticulous attempts at conformity and the importance of appearances, it’s also a personal statement about the man himself!
Hey Paul!
Why does everyone get Gloria convincing Leo not to take the role wrong? She was doing a solid for her stepson, Christian Bale.
I can't believe what the writer said about women can't direct!!!the irony!the irony....
Loved your review a lot❤❤❤
I rarely watch thrillers and horror films, but I watched this on a whim in one sitting when it was available for free. I went in knowing nothing about the film’s plot or production. Let me tell you,,, realising at the beginning of the movie that American Psycho is a ruthless satire made my first watch-through such a bizarre and pleasantly surprising experience. Almost everything I’d seen online until that point valued the movie for its surface-most content. I was left more unsettled by the lack of media literacy required to leave this film without awareness of the satire than by the content of the film itself!! You were on-the-money with the comparison of how men and women (in general) mean very different things when saying “he’s just like me!” lol. I’d add that the element of performance (an element to which many women, if not most, can relate) is part of why Bateman fits well with characters like Amy Dunn, Jennifer Check, and Nina from Black Swan.
I love this movie, never identified with Batemann. The fact that men can idolize a character like Batemann encompasses the problems in our society.
Now men idolize Hitlers, Trumps, and Bolsonaros, they call themselves red pills (the irony), incels, and wear their hatred toward women as a badge.
And there is the misinterpretation and appropriation of characters and movies that are against misogynous, racist behavior.
I mean I now these incels are dumb as doormats, but come on...
This reminds me of the star ship troopers movie and how many people missed the satire