The problem with seasonal anime is that some series don’t get continuations. This is changing but it’s been a problem. Filler arcs can be good, but it’s pretty hard to make good.
Also some of the adaptations just have shit art/ animation compare to the story... it's basically cookie cutter character design and animation framing... IMO Ascension of the Bookworm is one series that comes to mind. The design and background is very basic, and the story just have too much cuts... (tho it does hit many of the beats.) it's basically the classic manga/ LV promo anime
@@PrograError yeah, some anime adaptations are just trash compared to the manga because they put so little effort in. If an adaptation is really well done, I prefer it over manga. But a well drawn manga with a unique artstyle is waaaay better than a mediocre anime with a generic art style and no interesting animation.
taking over Timestamp-kun now: 0:00 Prologue 2:06 Tragic anime backstory 5:45 where to put 6:14 ARA ARA 8:13 Signature attack 12:28 Beach episodes (7-8th episode rule) 13:07 where to put 15:55 Catgirls(S!!), Monster girls, etc 18:40 switching tiers 20:27 Explaining power mid battle 26:21 FANSERVICE 27:55 when fanservice DONE RIGHT 31:57 Filler episodes 36:04 Intermission/ Sydney fanservice 36:47 (continue) 38:39 Chat: What about recap episodes? 38:52 Absent/ Dead parents 42:16 Genre reconstruction 43:58 where to put 44:56 The power of friendship 49:31 Harems 55:06 Incest 55:54 Little sister characters 1:00:45 Not another isekai 1:03:54 The 1000 years old Loli 1:07:09 Pervert 1:10:30 Power-ups 1:13:05 Student council 1:13:55 The Dere's 1:17:22 Generic protagonist 1:21:46 TOURNAMENT ARC 1:23:45 The fang 1:25:36 Highschool 1:26:15 Inner monologue 1:30:06 Nosebleed 1:31:52 Overpowered MC 1:34:20 Running with toast in mouth 1:35:50 Hero/Villain team up 1:37:29 Timeskip 1:42:01 Training Arcs 1:45:21 Transformation sequence 1:46:28 Done
Explaining mid battle is fine in manga, but it straight up doesn’t work in anime. It completely ruins the pacing and is a big reason why I prefer battle manga to battle anime
I actually couldn't watch the Yu Yu Hakisho anime for this reason. Even in the well-regarded dark tournament arc they are constantly stopping so someone can explain what they just did or are about to do, or go around and look at 5-10 different characters for a reaction shot after every single move.
Honestly as someone who likes watching death battle anime (or just battle anime in general, like Food Wars) when i got nothing in my watchlist, you just get used to it. I think I've watched well over 20 series from that kind of genre alone (stuff like Darwin's Game or 5 Minute Battle) and there's definitely good and bad execution. I think there's two key aspects of good execution: treating the viewers as smart people, and having a narrator that leans into the hype instead of turning it into a lecture. When it does both of those things, i find it's not really a hindrance to my experience.
@@thomasffrench3639 Haven't read JJK manga, have read HxH manga. The manga is tiring at a lot of places due to large blocks of texts. Reading it is like reading a book not a manga at a lot of times. It's still great , but l prefer the anime though.
20th century boys' timeskips are my favorite in anime/manga. Outside of that, the ones in the Stormlight Archive are also great since they move the plot along between books without seeming out of place or, god forbid, having filler arcs in between.
About the signature attack take i say it works in a live action series, because tokusatsu exists and hearing a kamen rider saying rider kick is always hype
On Frieren: up to now in the anime my impression is that Frieren is, physically, a teenager, or the equivalent of 20 years at most. That still affects her mental, even if she has a millenia of life behind her. It does not look as if elves in Frieren-world age for a relatively short amount of years (25 or 60 or 100 in other settings), instead it's just....stretched out. Kraft treats her like a youngster, and she looks like it as well. Millennia old introvert/neurodivergent teenager is a vibe.
You know not all species develop the same as humans but just on different timescales, right? Humans actually have an exceptionally long maturation time relative to our life expectancy. And there's no particular reason why elves would have to develop more slowly. Furthermore, anyone gets treated as a youngster when they are... younger. In some industries you'll be surrounded by very old people and be treated as a youngster even if you're like 50 years old.
Sometimes Fillers add consistency to some scenes or development of characters thinking about Law’s flashbacks being developed in the anime more than in the manga.
Recently I've been having a nostalgia trip with the Beyblade series. For sure what makes that show fun despite being a toy commercial is that its a sports anime with signature attacks.
you know? in Symphogear the girls don't shout out their attacks, their attack names appear in a very stylish way on the screen. yet another reason to watch Symphogear ;)
My most hated trope is when the villains have OP powers that can be activated Thanos style. Theres always the bad guy who can instantly mow down millions of people with no effort. Imagine this from the npc's standpoint, where you're just mowing your lawn and some bad guy strolls in and makes you explode for the lolz. Obviously this is done to show off how bad they are and what a threat they are in general, and especially to the heros. But the villains often times don't use these insta-kill abilities against the hero, or the protag has a special ability tat stops it from working on them for some reason. Seems so contrived to me. Also prudish male protags. Girls are literally trying to drown the dude in their wetness, and he's like "NOOOOO MY PRECIOUS PURITY! BEGONE THOTT". Dude in one of this seasons animes literally jumps out a window every time the thirsty-ass fairy queen remotely suggests shacking up. As if any single old dude in their right mind would be opposed to that attention. Especially when its a f'n AI video game character coming on to him.
Can we talk about the “if we move your fringe to the side out of your eyes, you’ll be 10x hotter” trope. It’s so dumb but funny when it happens cos they literally look either 2% different or just like another background character. Recent examples were Amane from Angel next door, Tomozaki from bottom tier character Tomozaki, and Mizuto from StepMom’s daughter is my Ex, at least from memory. Mind you, these were all produced by Studio Project No.9 so idk if its their own design input or actually in their respective mangas.
It's a matter of looking at things in reverse as well. A "bad" trope is POSSIBLE to be done well, but it's easy and commonly done poorly. And a "good" trope CAN be done well, but also be done bad. It's not quite as nuanced as "case by case basis" since there is clear skews and trends in what tropes can easily be identified as having negative impacts on the story. But it is close.
I personally didn't have many problems with the "Power of Friendship" in Fairy Tail for the most part as the Series explains early on that Magic is fueled by emotions so a character gaining a power boost due to great determination or strong emotions for the most part time made sense....However, I'm not blind to say that the Series didn't use too much, especially towards the end. But it's still one of my favorite animes (Partly due to nostalgia)
They tried to turn the troupe "explosive emotions" into the power system itself like how explaining your powers makes you stronger in JJK. Unfortunately the anime fandom's influence is stronger, and anything they tried to do just still appear as the same thing to the fandom TuT
Besides a certain couple of Erza examples, I think Fairy Tail actually does an okay job with the PoF by actually making it an in-verse source of strength for the characters.
Rize from Gochiusa starts of as kind of a partial tsundere in the first season, in the later seasons her tsundere personality starts to go away, and now she is more of a person where you would want try and rival. Now in Gochiusa BLOOM she has no fear to do anything, she's basically a man now in terms of personality and strength
Lyrical Nanoha is the best hero and villain team ups because at the end of the First Nanoha no matter the original series from 2004 opr the Nanoha the 1st movie, Nanoha Takamachi's bond and friendship with Fate Testarossa is one of the best moments in anime history, best example of an anime protagonist and antagonist teaming up, and then that antagonist becomes a good guy/deuteragonist in the next continuity, even in A's with the servants of the Book of Darkness(Signum, Vita, Zafira, and Shamal), they were enemies with Nanoha's group at first, and working hard to try and cure their master, Hayate Yagami, and then in the later parts close to the climax they team during the fight against the big bad guys, and stays allies in every future continuity, and Hayate joins Nanoha and Fate to become, "The Three Aces".
How good is Nanoha? I was obsessed over the first 3 seasons when I was 10 something. I left it at StrikerS, but those 3 original iterations had shaped who I am today. My IGN is from Sutaraito Bureika (Starlight Breaker) one of the iconic attacks for me. The original season 2 was the best for me. The introduction of Vita and the fight with Natchwal was an out of world experience for me.
for me the best of hero/villain teamup is viral and spiral king, i only recently watched gurren lagann but god the second i saw those 2 i just knew i was going to love them.
Harems is a solid C tier. It can be done well, but it is stupid in most series. It’s something that should exist, but not as often as it is used in anime. I pretty much hate the trope, and it is a good filter for me so I don’t have to watch it.
Inner monologues, and Power Ups are some of my favourite tropes. But goddam when they are abused, they are painful as fuck to witness. The most recent best example of this is Tanjirou in Demon Slayer. (incoming rant) He doesn't shut the hell up in his own head, and it's not about strategising, it's just him repeating "I can't give up", "I can't breathe", "my leg is broken (while running on it)". And the absolute asspulls of his powerups. He had THREE flashback powerups in ONE fight. Flashback powerups are already F tier. Three of them is just criminal. They have done training arcs decently so far though. Not too long or short, and not overly boring.
It's part of his character to let's call it "hype himself up". Dunno what you mean by flashback powerups though. Only one that comes to mind is the one in ep 19, which was extremely well set up and you can't really consider an asspull.
I think power explanations mid fight can work, but it's about how it's expressed. Very complex abilities can be hard to read, without some context for the viewer. I really enjoy when things are hinted at in dialogue, and then expanded in train of thought. The enemy uses an ability, the protagonist's train of thought then tries to discern what the ability is, to greater or lesser degrees.
There's a sick part of me that wishes that the 'tradition' kissing under the mistletoe was known to the makers of romcom anime and manga, purely for the shenanigans it might cause. It has already caused so many shenanigans in Archie comics.
I've only ever seen that done in a series that actually takes place in the US or Europe. It's not a Japanese custom. Christmas in Japan is basically three things, it's a big date day for couples, it's the biggest day of the year for eating KFC chicken and strawberry cakes. Actual Western Christmas customs aren't really understood or practiced in Japan for the most part.
@@thomasffrench3639 Idek if its still a thing in the US tbh lol. It's one of those ancient things you see in old Christmas movies but not anywhere else.
Loved his take on the deres. The best ones are the characters who become them by coincidence. When you set out from the start to make a dere, everything else that actually makes them good characters gets shunted down and forgotten. Honestly, I could probably say that about most of these tropes. If the writers are troping just for the sake of troping, they should just get a new job.
My takes on the choices Garnt made: Backstory: completely agree Ara Ara: Agreed, Based Gigguk (ahegao in draings good, irl bad) Signature attack: Agreed, its good in anime. Beach: Agreed if it means only the beach, if pool/onsen included then A Monster girls: Disagree, it should be A, but it's ok, close enough i guess. Powers: Agreed, most of the time it's bad, but there are some gems. Fanservice: Nah, should be A, it's not the best thing ever but it's not bad. Filler: should be F tier, it's jsut bad. Absent: Don't agree, i mean, it's ok not to show them, anime doesn't need to be realist, i guess B would be good. Deconstruction: too complicated, agreed with the removal Friendshipp: Agreed Harems: Agreed, especiall with 100 GFs existing. Incest/Sister: Grant fell off, i didn't expect that, this one should be at A (i mean, unless it's for comedic purposes only, then i can see his point) Isekai: I mean, i kinda agree, depends on the show of course. Loli: Agreed, why make her 1000 years? it's fiction, make her normal age, nobody should care about it, even in service, just do it (and Shinobu is good in both forms), and no, contrary to twitter claims Frieren is NOT a loli. Also, Beatrice best girl, needts to protect and breed lovingly. Pervert: i guess B, it depends on the show and character Power up: Agreed Council: Meh, depends Dere: Depends Generic: agreed Tournament: TOURNAMENT ARC!!!! Fang: agreed Highschool: meh, i guess B but don't care. Monologue: agreed but depends Nosebleed: i guess C OP MC: depends Toast: already dead team up: Great timeskip: B at most, especially if used as an excuse to not show things transform: depends. Wow, this became way bigger than expected, didn't realised there were so many. What do you guys think? let me know, just be respectiful in comments please
@@LFanimes333 I didn't try to pass it off as nothing, i tried to pass it of as Facts XD But i understand if you love Emilia instead, it's a matter of taste after all :)
@@Ricardo_Rick Frieren is the textbook definition of a 1000 year old demon loli (except she's not a demon she's an elf). Yes, she's a loli. Search up lolibaba in google or google images. First results? Frieren
The problem with adding harems most of the time is that the author has already chosen a girl and that girl is usually very obvious. There is no fun is guessing the girl
As Monogatari fan, I didn't expect Gigguk mentioned many Monogatari stuff this time. Where is "Caught naked girl on accident" ? (No, it's not like I like it. Just wondering. Lol) Also in most case I like the trope "Sport match in non-sport anime" like tennis in Spy×Family, baseball in Haruhi Suzumiya, etc.
Maybe this falls under "explaining powers mid battle" but I can't deal with something blatantly obvious being explained right after it happened. Side note, this tier list is actually 90% based, well done for agreeing with me lol
I can't believe you didn't have "character gets beat almost to death but then wins the fight anyway" as someone who's rewatching yu yu hakusho I hate that so much
As I once said on another channel's anime cliche video, I would like to see more series set in a college/university setting. It's okay to have the first couple episodes take place in high school, as the main cast graduates or prepares for graduation while writing college entrance exams, but then have the series focus on a smaller group of those characters studying in college/university as well as participating in other activities.
52:50: KimiZero. And High Score Girl. That is if harem simply means a character loved by more than one girl. I don't hate that they did it but it made it less fun and more frustrating. Like, what's the point? Also, Oshi no Ko isn't easily considered a harem. I don't even think Akane Kurokawa has truly realized feelings for Aqua. Then again, I haven't read the manga. I love that show deep down in my heart anyways. And just hope season 2 is a banger with as great an opening song and ending song as the first season. I hope it comes out by August.
Absent parents sadly a sort of must. You cant be free with storytelling if your characters half+ story is "how to dodge the parent chain" You want something like a Dexters lab, where nobody in the neighbourhood realise there's a mountain of sci-fi crap is going on in the backyard? Or you want to avoid the "lobby" problem. How can you create a grand, world exploring adventure if you have obligation to turn up somewhere? In rom-com we want to have the "alone scene" so parents are dead or on a business trip for eternity... Hornimiya played the parents card right, every other show usually either plays the abusive parent - female lead becomes a damsell trope or parent come up with a prearranged marriage arc... Not many shows can play it correctly. My guess MHA is so hyped, because it does have a generational appeal. Its a family shounen that you could watch with your kids, because its not just kids in school changing the world. We do see some parent moment that a parent watcher can enjoy too. But I guess why its unrealistic. For me, whats on the same level as this specific "trope" is the "we ALWAYS have time" in a romance show. Learning? Working? House chores? Who cares. If you want a full day scene you get a full day scene even if the gimmick of certain character is (s)he is a workaholic. I know its hardcore mutual simping, but sometime you must say "I don't have time" And this is tied together where the whole damn harem just decide to improvise at the same place at the same time... Lets create some moments together with characters, make some synergies instead: "oh no... I accidentally walked into a lingery store, and EVERY girl I know somehow knows ONLY THIS shop in whole Tokyo, and every girl buys stuff at the same day"
thing with Harem is that it's not one of those that randomly turn up to ruin a show, if you're watching harem it's because you knew that's what it was gonna be
Beach episodes at least sometimes mix up the formula. Hot springs are always "mixed bathing, girls talking, guys trying to listen. Guys try to peek, something spectacularly fails"
Explaining the fight mid battle may be bad but i argue it's still important in the anime at least for power scaling purposes. If a character moves fast you'd assume yeah they're fast, but if another character comments "did they just move at the speed of light?", You as the viewer will understand oh, it wasnt just fast it was light speed. The naruto v sasuke final fight didn't have any explanation which made it very fluid etc but if you watched it without knowing being a serious naruto fan you wouldn't understand why the characters needed to avoid some attacks and fight in certain ways they did cus you wouldnt understand the attacks.
The worst tropes are missing. 1. The single worst one is guys getting the absolute shit beaten out of them by some girl and it being played off like nothing happened. I don't mean slapstick, I don't mean the pervert getting his just rewards, I mean full on violence because an entitled brat feels a little embarrassed or doesn't like the response or reaction they get. It is absolutely reprehensible and it is deeply hypocritical when male on female violence is a massive taboo. Not only is it entirely appalling, I think it has become irresponsible. Oreimo is an example of this where the sister will slap, punch, gut-shot, nut-kick and headbutt her brother to the point where he's filled a trash bin with bloody tissues. The show even indicates that she is way out of line but never addresses it. 'Tomo-chan is a girl' is another example of this, where she beats up her love interest, but while it's played off like brothers fighting, she's also a literal martial artist renowned for being very strong and very violent. He can't even fight back and has to manage her being completely serious when she does this and not only protect himself, but not hurt her. This is abuse on display. If a woman gets deeply offended and slaps a guy, then that's enough. There doesn't need to be more than that. In fact an abusive wife who doesn't outright beat her husband, but slaps him on the regular and can make him flinch is so much more of an effective character if that's the goal. I got into a lot of fights when I was a kit and it was horrible. What was done to me and how far I went in return is something that I still carry several decades later and it makes me so sad and so disappointed that people don't understand the consequences of the physical and mental harm. At this point it stops being fiction and it gets a little too close to reality without addressing it and it's just flat out wrong. 2. Strong characters when it's not appropriate. A 4 foot tall girl in a medieval setting who swings not just a sword, but a buster sword like it's a game, with zero explanation of how that person got that strength. Note that I'm not talking about magical characters or game characters. Guts is admittedly also an example of this, but the story very much gives reasons for why he should be able to, even if those are bad. When there is no reason, when people just carry around gigantic weapons like Aisha Belka from 'is it wrong to pick up girls in a dungeon' who has this massive cutlass, it more than strains the suspension of disbelief. It's one thing when it's an eight foot hulking monster of a man who's about to pop all his arteries, it's another when it's a slender prostitute who spends most of her days in the red light district. 3. This is more of a Western thing, anime has been pretty good at avoiding it, but tiny 40kg girls who take out 12 male soldiers by herself is also just an awful trope. Under Ninja gives a great example of a woman who's a survivor of a battle royale upbringing and has become monstrously ripped and toughened. She has a great reason and the right body to pull off the feats that she does. I don't mind strong/physically capable women at all, that's not my big issue with the gender difference, it's that it demeans women when they are judged by the standards of men. Women have their own amazing capabilities and strengths that make them distinctly different from men and better in some situations. It's okay to have a physically strong woman, but then she's the exception, she has to be rare in order for this to be an effective character. When it's a trope, it becomes utterly meaningless and it devalues the effort put into being such a strong and skilled person to pull off incredible feats of strength. 4. The "misunderstanding". Someone barging in on a person during an unfortunate situation that is immediately misread because it really isn't what it looks like. Or someone confronting a person to hear their explanation and then within half a second deciding what the person means without hearing them out at all. These are lazy and cheap drama triggers. They're awful.
I feel like you just aren’t a huge fan of cartoon logic in your anime, which is pretty strange. It’s an animated product, and a bunch of other things that aren’t realistic appear in anime that you completely ignore such as anime characters that would have to be either on Steroids or are anorexic to get chiseled muscles. It also makes only men be capable of these crazy feats, but not women. It seems like you are giving different standards for different genders.
@@thomasffrench3639 If you want to talk about this, talk, but don't give me this "you just don't get cartoons" or "you believe sexes are different" BS. Sexes, by the way, not "gender". Men and women. Boys and girls. Let me just hammer this home for you immediately; If you think men and women aren't fundamentally different, you have not been explained something very basic, or you've raised with or have bought into outright disinformation. The strength difference between men and women as soon as puberty hits is enormous. 12 year old boys beat professional women, who are in their prime, in sports. An average male who rarely works out, or even is sedentary for most of their life, can *easily* overpower women who train on the regular and perform martial arts. Doesn't mean they'll always win in a fight, it means the inherent advantage to testosterone and bone structure of men is massive. I'll just drive this stake down to the floor while I'm at it: There are no men's sports. Women are entirely free to participate in the NBA, NHL, NFL, FIFA or whatever sport they want if they're capable enough. Women's leagues specifically exist to exclude men due to the performance differences. If you further think that this somehow is misogyny, then you are a child. Women are socially far more competent than men and have a superior awareness of immediate and non-immediate circumstances, they see a broader spectrum of colors. Men have better spacial awareness. All of this to differing degrees of course. Recognizing these truths is important to respecting the sexes. Holding men and women to the same standard on certain things is not equal, it's very much unfair discrimination. Finally being chiseled means having a low fat percentage and being dehydrated, it doesn't mean you're anorexic (you wouldn't be able to build muscle mass) or on steroids. Just wrong, wrong and wrong. Next time you respond to someone, engage with what they're saying instead of firing off some prejudiced statement and unfounded information. Have some damn humility.
@@SmilomaniacI never said they weren’t different, and sorry for using gender instead of sex. I said that saying that men can be unrealistic but not women is just strange. I feel like you can’t distinguish between fiction and reality. Also, the way that men are portrayed in fiction are definitely either on steroids or are anorexic, at least in animated form, and for many cases live action. I feel like the only examples I can think of in action anime where that is not the case is Naruto where the characters have very realistic bodies.
Clicking just to see whether Garnt is a free-thinking man or not, which is easily tested with loli questions. He failed, bros... Not picking young Shinobu and 1k y/o loli not being in S-tier when they are almost always the most fun characters that steal the spotlight? I'm appalled, man...
personally I would put the 1000 year old loli trope at B tier, because I really like the concept of a small cute harmless looking little girl acting mature while also being overpowered as hell, in the series. LIke I would imagine the mc almost losing and then that tiny gremling looking thing just shows up and destroys every enemy, then the main characters is like "omg!" that little girl just destroyed every enemy? In conclution i just like unexpected contrast, also the 40 year old loli teacher in toaru is pretty hilarious.
People missing the point of Fairy Tail every single time lol, Fairy Tail is based around power of friendship even the power system and power of friendship is one of the main points of Fairy tail but what annoys me is people saying fairy tail is bad because of that. It's fine not liking power of friendship but saying fairy tail is bad because of it is just wrong. Its like biting into a banana and then complaining its not an apple lol.
@@grandu9761 I am not saying the series is not without its problems what series isnt ?But people have issues with the core of fairy tail being power of friendship when thats the main point of fairy tail.
power of friendship works best in anime like the Bang Dream franchise, no stupid MC plot armor, and is some of the best most realistic approach of the power of friendship. which why the Bang Dream series is so God Tier now along with the absolute banger music compared to most animes. although a lot of the band stories in Bandori are retelling of how the seiyuus came together, but the best way possible.
@@yourdad5799 a multimedia music anime franchise, in the first season of the anime, Bandori's story will look a little bit like a combo between K-ON and Love Live together, the second and third season made more people regret their decision of dropping the series, at first the series went mediocre tier, and not much attention, once the gacha rhythm game started, followed by season 2 and onwards, it becomes an absolute masterpiece of a franchise that keeps banging hard with good music, unlike K-ON and Bocchi the Rock, Bandori has a total of 8 main band groups. all with there own type of music, not to mentioned that 5 out of 8 bands are real life bands.
Anime fillers are a bane of the industry. You, as a reader realise that there are NO progression. You just see an advert of the original work. A shounen story just repeats their own moves, a romance story don't have any step anywhere. Ok... it doesn't have anyway, but there's a difference between everyone steps1 or nobody moves, but at least they had screentime. I dropped so many good stories because of fillers. I dropped One Piece at the Dragon filler once, and dropped for years at the rainbow mist saga. When I was whinging about DGreyMan "team rocket" filler saga on a forum, someone explained to me what filler guides are. I know we have One Piece G8 and Bleach Zanpakuto rebellion filler, but that's like saying you can make a living by playing the lottery... The only exception for fillers are gag comedy series. Ie: Ranma1/2 and Gintama, concept are so goofy you would not realise its a filler, because setup can be so idiotic, I'm sure the author enjoys filler like "yo, why didn't I come with that shit up?"
Having the main character be absent from their parental figures is a familiar writing technique to give the main character, well, a personality of his own. As a matter of fact I believe it is the most important writing technique. Because a main character who only follow's his father around is not is not the main character, the father is. You wanna know why the father is the main character..? Because he is absent from his parental figures...
On that harem take, I feel like harem (or more precisely the degeneracy that comes with the trope) is what eventually ruined SAO. If you look at stuff like SAO: Progressive, you can see that having less characters to always have around makes up room for more interesting characters that actually matter to the plot.
43:25 A lot of things since the contemporary era started are deconstructions. There is also reconstruction which rebuilds a trope or archetype, but with the believablity the deconstruction made. For example, a deconstruction of a Ladykiller in Love can be that the character is actually deeply miserable from feeling the need to seduce people, either due to something in his past, or from his current situation, resulting in him wanting to distance himself from intimacy for a while even though he feels attraction. A reconstruction of that can be said character learning from his experiences and learning to love again without feeling shame.
Wtf is the "contemporary era" that could be anything. And "genre deconstruction" is a buzzword used way too much for things that are absolutely not deconstructions, which is what garnt was referring to. Like people calling madoka a deconstruction of the magical girl genre, but it's not. It's just a darker take on magical girls, there's nothing deconstructive about it at all.
@@NihongoWakannai You could just Google "contemporary era" and when it started, y'know. Maybe blame the misuse of the word "deconstruction" rather than complaining about the word itself or to me. Edit: I've never watched Madoka.
@@oceanicGrimalkin You know that words are used for communication, right? And when a word is often misused, it doesn't matter if you know the "right" definition if people are going to misunderstand you when you use it regardless. Garnt is talking specifically about anime, anime tropes and the perceptions of the anglosphere anime community. He has the awareness that you lack to realize that "deconstruction" in the context of an anime tierlist maker is likely to be referring to the misunderstood notion of deconstructions. Especially when the picture behind it is madoka which is the most famously miscategorized anime "deconstruction" and actual real deconstructions are very uncommon if not completely unknown by the vast majority of the anime community. Meanwhile you decided it was an opportunity to "correct" him by going on some tangential rant about the "contemporary era" which is so irrelevant to the context of the anime community that I didn't even realize you were trying to refer to contemporary history rather than some era of anime.
@@NihongoWakannai Bruh, it's not me going on a rant. It's you. I wasn't even agitated when I wrote it. It's that people misunderstand what deconstruction means. If they misunderstood it, that's on them. Also, you keep using Madoka as an example when I said I have never watched it. Plus, a lot of anime is made during the contemporary era, which is still an ongoing era today.
@@oceanicGrimalkin "If they misunderstood it, that's on them" incorrect. If you want to be an effective communicator and not an annoying pedant, then it involves understanding your audience's biases and misunderstandings and working around those things to deliver the proper message. The goal is not to intentionally use words which you know will be misunderstood just so you can posture to them about your superior intelligence. This is actually a core concept in terms of storytelling, you MUST know the biases of your audience and write with that in mind. "Also, you keep using Madoka as an example" Because it's literally the one used in the video and is very relevant to garnt's awareness of the situation. I'm telling you that it is THE most miscategorized "deconstruction" in anime. "Plus, a lot of anime is made during the contemporary era, which is still an ongoing era today." all anime relevant to 99.9% of conversations (including this video) were made within the last ~4 decades. Referring to it as the "contemporary era" is only correct in the sense of a semantic technicality (which you seem to be a big fan of). It's like talking about "smartphones made in the contemporary era" or "internet within the contemporary era" it's superfluous categorization which only leads to miscommunication because it seems you're attempting to make some point by using it.
I love Harem anime, but they hardly pick Harem endings or pick the obvious boring Tsundere. I swear NiseKoy would’ve ended better without Chitose. But that’s just me, I still like characters like Kirusu, even though she can hardly be called a tsundere when she’s clearly the only level headed member in a group of weirdos.
What about the "this is many things but isekai sent one" isekais. I despise so many ch how every fantasy anime needs to start with 10 minutes of person dying getting reincarnated an then never have him being from the real world affecting anything even the slightest bit
The problem with seasonal anime is that some series don’t get continuations. This is changing but it’s been a problem. Filler arcs can be good, but it’s pretty hard to make good.
Also some of the adaptations just have shit art/ animation compare to the story... it's basically cookie cutter character design and animation framing...
IMO Ascension of the Bookworm is one series that comes to mind. The design and background is very basic, and the story just have too much cuts... (tho it does hit many of the beats.) it's basically the classic manga/ LV promo anime
@@PrograError yeah, some anime adaptations are just trash compared to the manga because they put so little effort in.
If an adaptation is really well done, I prefer it over manga. But a well drawn manga with a unique artstyle is waaaay better than a mediocre anime with a generic art style and no interesting animation.
taking over Timestamp-kun now:
0:00 Prologue
2:06 Tragic anime backstory
5:45 where to put
6:14 ARA ARA
8:13 Signature attack
12:28 Beach episodes (7-8th episode rule)
13:07 where to put
15:55 Catgirls(S!!), Monster girls, etc
18:40 switching tiers
20:27 Explaining power mid battle
26:21 FANSERVICE
27:55 when fanservice DONE RIGHT
31:57 Filler episodes
36:04 Intermission/ Sydney fanservice
36:47 (continue)
38:39 Chat: What about recap episodes?
38:52 Absent/ Dead parents
42:16 Genre reconstruction
43:58 where to put
44:56 The power of friendship
49:31 Harems
55:06 Incest
55:54 Little sister characters
1:00:45 Not another isekai
1:03:54 The 1000 years old Loli
1:07:09 Pervert
1:10:30 Power-ups
1:13:05 Student council
1:13:55 The Dere's
1:17:22 Generic protagonist
1:21:46 TOURNAMENT ARC
1:23:45 The fang
1:25:36 Highschool
1:26:15 Inner monologue
1:30:06 Nosebleed
1:31:52 Overpowered MC
1:34:20 Running with toast in mouth
1:35:50 Hero/Villain team up
1:37:29 Timeskip
1:42:01 Training Arcs
1:45:21 Transformation sequence
1:46:28 Done
FIRST TIME I'M SEEING " UPDATING " LOL , YOU A GOAT
deconstruction*
Goat
I love how you put "S!" next to monster girls. A measure of a true sage.
Explaining mid battle is fine in manga, but it straight up doesn’t work in anime. It completely ruins the pacing and is a big reason why I prefer battle manga to battle anime
Not in JJK or HxH thus far. I personally like it a lot if it's done well.
I actually couldn't watch the Yu Yu Hakisho anime for this reason. Even in the well-regarded dark tournament arc they are constantly stopping so someone can explain what they just did or are about to do, or go around and look at 5-10 different characters for a reaction shot after every single move.
@@captainvanisher988I have only read the JJK manga, and I much prefer the HxH manga over the anime
Honestly as someone who likes watching death battle anime (or just battle anime in general, like Food Wars) when i got nothing in my watchlist, you just get used to it. I think I've watched well over 20 series from that kind of genre alone (stuff like Darwin's Game or 5 Minute Battle) and there's definitely good and bad execution. I think there's two key aspects of good execution: treating the viewers as smart people, and having a narrator that leans into the hype instead of turning it into a lecture. When it does both of those things, i find it's not really a hindrance to my experience.
@@thomasffrench3639 Haven't read JJK manga, have read HxH manga. The manga is tiring at a lot of places due to large blocks of texts. Reading it is like reading a book not a manga at a lot of times. It's still great , but l prefer the anime though.
Time skips are awesome. It feels so great when everything is redesigned and evolved. I just love it.
You my man, are absolutely correct.
20th century boys' timeskips are my favorite in anime/manga. Outside of that, the ones in the Stormlight Archive are also great since they move the plot along between books without seeming out of place or, god forbid, having filler arcs in between.
About the signature attack take i say it works in a live action series, because tokusatsu exists and hearing a kamen rider saying rider kick is always hype
On Frieren: up to now in the anime my impression is that Frieren is, physically, a teenager, or the equivalent of 20 years at most. That still affects her mental, even if she has a millenia of life behind her. It does not look as if elves in Frieren-world age for a relatively short amount of years (25 or 60 or 100 in other settings), instead it's just....stretched out. Kraft treats her like a youngster, and she looks like it as well.
Millennia old introvert/neurodivergent teenager is a vibe.
Yeah. What is the elven age of consent? 2000? 😂
I wouldn't be surprise if they don't have a concrete age. Since they're lack romantic feelings or a urge to reproduce.
You know not all species develop the same as humans but just on different timescales, right?
Humans actually have an exceptionally long maturation time relative to our life expectancy. And there's no particular reason why elves would have to develop more slowly.
Furthermore, anyone gets treated as a youngster when they are... younger.
In some industries you'll be surrounded by very old people and be treated as a youngster even if you're like 50 years old.
Frieren is the textbook definition of a 1000 year old demon loli (except she's not a demon she's an elf)
Tournament arcs are peak. S Tier deserved.
Sometimes Fillers add consistency to some scenes or development of characters thinking about Law’s flashbacks being developed in the anime more than in the manga.
Recently I've been having a nostalgia trip with the Beyblade series. For sure what makes that show fun despite being a toy commercial is that its a sports anime with signature attacks.
you know? in Symphogear the girls don't shout out their attacks, their attack names appear in a very stylish way on the screen. yet another reason to watch Symphogear ;)
My most hated trope is when the villains have OP powers that can be activated Thanos style. Theres always the bad guy who can instantly mow down millions of people with no effort. Imagine this from the npc's standpoint, where you're just mowing your lawn and some bad guy strolls in and makes you explode for the lolz. Obviously this is done to show off how bad they are and what a threat they are in general, and especially to the heros. But the villains often times don't use these insta-kill abilities against the hero, or the protag has a special ability tat stops it from working on them for some reason. Seems so contrived to me.
Also prudish male protags. Girls are literally trying to drown the dude in their wetness, and he's like "NOOOOO MY PRECIOUS PURITY! BEGONE THOTT". Dude in one of this seasons animes literally jumps out a window every time the thirsty-ass fairy queen remotely suggests shacking up. As if any single old dude in their right mind would be opposed to that attention. Especially when its a f'n AI video game character coming on to him.
Can we talk about the “if we move your fringe to the side out of your eyes, you’ll be 10x hotter” trope. It’s so dumb but funny when it happens cos they literally look either 2% different or just like another background character. Recent examples were Amane from Angel next door, Tomozaki from bottom tier character Tomozaki, and Mizuto from StepMom’s daughter is my Ex, at least from memory. Mind you, these were all produced by Studio Project No.9 so idk if its their own design input or actually in their respective mangas.
It's a matter of looking at things in reverse as well.
A "bad" trope is POSSIBLE to be done well, but it's easy and commonly done poorly. And a "good" trope CAN be done well, but also be done bad.
It's not quite as nuanced as "case by case basis" since there is clear skews and trends in what tropes can easily be identified as having negative impacts on the story. But it is close.
I personally didn't have many problems with the "Power of Friendship" in Fairy Tail for the most part as the Series explains early on that Magic is fueled by emotions so a character gaining a power boost due to great determination or strong emotions for the most part time made sense....However, I'm not blind to say that the Series didn't use too much, especially towards the end. But it's still one of my favorite animes (Partly due to nostalgia)
They tried to turn the troupe "explosive emotions" into the power system itself like how explaining your powers makes you stronger in JJK. Unfortunately the anime fandom's influence is stronger, and anything they tried to do just still appear as the same thing to the fandom TuT
Besides a certain couple of Erza examples, I think Fairy Tail actually does an okay job with the PoF by actually making it an in-verse source of strength for the characters.
Agree. It's one of my favorites, no matter what anyone says.
I love beach episodes where you fight an archangel or a biblically accurate Gun and everyone freaking dies.
Rize from Gochiusa starts of as kind of a partial tsundere in the first season, in the later seasons her tsundere personality starts to go away, and now she is more of a person where you would want try and rival. Now in Gochiusa BLOOM she has no fear to do anything, she's basically a man now in terms of personality and strength
Lyrical Nanoha is the best hero and villain team ups because at the end of the First Nanoha no matter the original series from 2004 opr the Nanoha the 1st movie, Nanoha Takamachi's bond and friendship with Fate Testarossa is one of the best moments in anime history, best example of an anime protagonist and antagonist teaming up, and then that antagonist becomes a good guy/deuteragonist in the next continuity, even in A's with the servants of the Book of Darkness(Signum, Vita, Zafira, and Shamal), they were enemies with
Nanoha's group at first, and working hard to try and cure their master, Hayate Yagami, and then in the later parts close to the climax they team during the fight against the big bad guys, and stays allies in every future continuity, and Hayate joins Nanoha and Fate to become, "The Three Aces".
How good is Nanoha? I was obsessed over the first 3 seasons when I was 10 something. I left it at StrikerS, but those 3 original iterations had shaped who I am today. My IGN is from Sutaraito Bureika (Starlight Breaker) one of the iconic attacks for me.
The original season 2 was the best for me. The introduction of Vita and the fight with Natchwal was an out of world experience for me.
12:29 playing safe! we saw you fighting inside lol
for me the best of hero/villain teamup is viral and spiral king, i only recently watched gurren lagann but god the second i saw those 2 i just knew i was going to love them.
Harems is a solid C tier. It can be done well, but it is stupid in most series. It’s something that should exist, but not as often as it is used in anime. I pretty much hate the trope, and it is a good filter for me so I don’t have to watch it.
Agreed
yeah most harems suck. Only few are good. It's almost same level as Isekai genre
Tier list: Genre deconstruction
Me: Oh Boy
38:45 I'm super glad he mentioned about Re:creators recap!
1000 year old loli not being S tier is a huge L
Inner monologues, and Power Ups are some of my favourite tropes.
But goddam when they are abused, they are painful as fuck to witness.
The most recent best example of this is Tanjirou in Demon Slayer. (incoming rant)
He doesn't shut the hell up in his own head, and it's not about strategising, it's just him repeating "I can't give up", "I can't breathe", "my leg is broken (while running on it)".
And the absolute asspulls of his powerups. He had THREE flashback powerups in ONE fight.
Flashback powerups are already F tier. Three of them is just criminal.
They have done training arcs decently so far though. Not too long or short, and not overly boring.
It's part of his character to let's call it "hype himself up". Dunno what you mean by flashback powerups though. Only one that comes to mind is the one in ep 19, which was extremely well set up and you can't really consider an asspull.
I think power explanations mid fight can work, but it's about how it's expressed. Very complex abilities can be hard to read, without some context for the viewer. I really enjoy when things are hinted at in dialogue, and then expanded in train of thought. The enemy uses an ability, the protagonist's train of thought then tries to discern what the ability is, to greater or lesser degrees.
There's a sick part of me that wishes that the 'tradition' kissing under the mistletoe was known to the makers of romcom anime and manga, purely for the shenanigans it might cause.
It has already caused so many shenanigans in Archie comics.
I don’t know if that tradition is a thing in Japan.
I've only ever seen that done in a series that actually takes place in the US or Europe. It's not a Japanese custom. Christmas in Japan is basically three things, it's a big date day for couples, it's the biggest day of the year for eating KFC chicken and strawberry cakes. Actual Western Christmas customs aren't really understood or practiced in Japan for the most part.
@@thomasffrench3639 Idek if its still a thing in the US tbh lol. It's one of those ancient things you see in old Christmas movies but not anywhere else.
Loved his take on the deres. The best ones are the characters who become them by coincidence. When you set out from the start to make a dere, everything else that actually makes them good characters gets shunted down and forgotten.
Honestly, I could probably say that about most of these tropes. If the writers are troping just for the sake of troping, they should just get a new job.
Recap episodes are nice for start of each season to refresh your memory.
My takes on the choices Garnt made:
Backstory: completely agree
Ara Ara: Agreed, Based Gigguk (ahegao in draings good, irl bad)
Signature attack: Agreed, its good in anime.
Beach: Agreed if it means only the beach, if pool/onsen included then A
Monster girls: Disagree, it should be A, but it's ok, close enough i guess.
Powers: Agreed, most of the time it's bad, but there are some gems.
Fanservice: Nah, should be A, it's not the best thing ever but it's not bad.
Filler: should be F tier, it's jsut bad.
Absent: Don't agree, i mean, it's ok not to show them, anime doesn't need to be realist, i guess B would be good.
Deconstruction: too complicated, agreed with the removal
Friendshipp: Agreed
Harems: Agreed, especiall with 100 GFs existing.
Incest/Sister: Grant fell off, i didn't expect that, this one should be at A (i mean, unless it's for comedic purposes only, then i can see his point)
Isekai: I mean, i kinda agree, depends on the show of course.
Loli: Agreed, why make her 1000 years? it's fiction, make her normal age, nobody should care about it, even in service, just do it (and Shinobu is good in both forms), and no, contrary to twitter claims Frieren is NOT a loli. Also, Beatrice best girl, needts to protect and breed lovingly.
Pervert: i guess B, it depends on the show and character
Power up: Agreed
Council: Meh, depends
Dere: Depends
Generic: agreed
Tournament: TOURNAMENT ARC!!!!
Fang: agreed
Highschool: meh, i guess B but don't care.
Monologue: agreed but depends
Nosebleed: i guess C
OP MC: depends
Toast: already dead
team up: Great
timeskip: B at most, especially if used as an excuse to not show things
transform: depends.
Wow, this became way bigger than expected, didn't realised there were so many.
What do you guys think? let me know, just be respectiful in comments please
Did you just say Beatrice is breedable and tried to pass it off as nothing?
Not on my watch dude.
Not on my watch.
@@LFanimes333 I didn't try to pass it off as nothing, i tried to pass it of as Facts XD
But i understand if you love Emilia instead, it's a matter of taste after all :)
@@Ricardo_Rick
Hmmmmm
I will allow it
@@LFanimes333 Thanks, I appreciate it XD
@@Ricardo_Rick Frieren is the textbook definition of a 1000 year old demon loli (except she's not a demon she's an elf). Yes, she's a loli. Search up lolibaba in google or google images. First results? Frieren
The problem with adding harems most of the time is that the author has already chosen a girl and that girl is usually very obvious. There is no fun is guessing the girl
As Monogatari fan, I didn't expect Gigguk mentioned many Monogatari stuff this time.
Where is "Caught naked girl on accident" ? (No, it's not like I like it. Just wondering. Lol)
Also in most case I like the trope "Sport match in non-sport anime" like tennis in Spy×Family, baseball in Haruhi Suzumiya, etc.
i guess that is in the fanservice part
HxH
Garnt have to play The coffin of Andy and Leyley on stream, I want to see his reaction
Tragic Anime Backstory ranges on a spectrum of quality from Guts to Jiren
That timmeskip part is so true. I went crazy when I read the one piece timeskip, I loved it so much
Maybe this falls under "explaining powers mid battle" but I can't deal with something blatantly obvious being explained right after it happened.
Side note, this tier list is actually 90% based, well done for agreeing with me lol
speaking of transformation sequence the best execution ive seen was aot season 2 where eren transformed while screaming "you damn traitors"
I can't believe you didn't have "character gets beat almost to death but then wins the fight anyway" as someone who's rewatching yu yu hakusho I hate that so much
oh god then you would hate One piece 🤣
1:39:50 holy shit that's also the first thing I think of when you say time skip. That one was so great!
As I once said on another channel's anime cliche video, I would like to see more series set in a college/university setting. It's okay to have the first couple episodes take place in high school, as the main cast graduates or prepares for graduation while writing college entrance exams, but then have the series focus on a smaller group of those characters studying in college/university as well as participating in other activities.
52:50: KimiZero.
And High Score Girl.
That is if harem simply means a character loved by more than one girl.
I don't hate that they did it but it made it less fun and more frustrating. Like, what's the point?
Also, Oshi no Ko isn't easily considered a harem. I don't even think Akane Kurokawa has truly realized feelings for Aqua. Then again, I haven't read the manga.
I love that show deep down in my heart anyways. And just hope season 2 is a banger with as great an opening song and ending song as the first season.
I hope it comes out by August.
Happy holidays! Love that there are fellow nerds online for the holidays spent alone. Time to binge videos
Nothing kills my excitement for a show the way a beach episode does.
Maybe because you dislike fanservice in general.
You're not wrong.
1:26:00 Oh Garnt. there are more settings than just High School! There's also Generic Fantasy Land!
56:12 Pause here, and you have the superior tier list
Fairy tale tournament arc unironically peak
Absent parents sadly a sort of must. You cant be free with storytelling if your characters half+ story is "how to dodge the parent chain"
You want something like a Dexters lab, where nobody in the neighbourhood realise there's a mountain of sci-fi crap is going on in the backyard?
Or you want to avoid the "lobby" problem. How can you create a grand, world exploring adventure if you have obligation to turn up somewhere?
In rom-com we want to have the "alone scene" so parents are dead or on a business trip for eternity...
Hornimiya played the parents card right, every other show usually either plays the abusive parent - female lead becomes a damsell trope
or
parent come up with a prearranged marriage arc...
Not many shows can play it correctly.
My guess MHA is so hyped, because it does have a generational appeal. Its a family shounen that you could watch with your kids, because its not just kids in school changing the world. We do see some parent moment that a parent watcher can enjoy too.
But I guess why its unrealistic.
For me, whats on the same level as this specific "trope" is the
"we ALWAYS have time" in a romance show. Learning? Working? House chores? Who cares. If you want a full day scene you get a full day scene even if the gimmick of certain character is (s)he is a workaholic. I know its hardcore mutual simping, but sometime you must say "I don't have time"
And this is tied together where the whole damn harem just decide to improvise at the same place at the same time... Lets create some moments together with characters, make some synergies instead:
"oh no... I accidentally walked into a lingery store, and EVERY girl I know somehow knows ONLY THIS shop in whole Tokyo, and every girl buys stuff at the same day"
Gigguk is a vanilla bro in the worst way because despite disliking degeneracy, he has the stones to say Harem is one of the best anime tropes 😭
thing with Harem is that it's not one of those that randomly turn up to ruin a show, if you're watching harem it's because you knew that's what it was gonna be
I pretty much agree with gigguk’s list cause he brings up some good points regarding it
Beach episodes at least sometimes mix up the formula. Hot springs are always "mixed bathing, girls talking, guys trying to listen. Guys try to peek, something spectacularly fails"
Idkw, apathetic and edgy MCs are getting my nerves these days
same man,
ruined oshi no ko for me even
@@btchiaintkidding7837 to be fair that one is one of the few with a reason to be like that
I hate Aqua so much man. What a garbage character. I wish someone else was the main character of Oshi No Ko
@@joebidenjr5902He’s even worse cause he’s a grown ass man who had a job
Explaining the fight mid battle may be bad but i argue it's still important in the anime at least for power scaling purposes. If a character moves fast you'd assume yeah they're fast, but if another character comments "did they just move at the speed of light?", You as the viewer will understand oh, it wasnt just fast it was light speed.
The naruto v sasuke final fight didn't have any explanation which made it very fluid etc but if you watched it without knowing being a serious naruto fan you wouldn't understand why the characters needed to avoid some attacks and fight in certain ways they did cus you wouldnt understand the attacks.
The fang - now i know why he likes Call of the Night so much.
Haven't started to watch but I expect the "character having a smoke in every scene"
The worst tropes are missing.
1. The single worst one is guys getting the absolute shit beaten out of them by some girl and it being played off like nothing happened.
I don't mean slapstick, I don't mean the pervert getting his just rewards, I mean full on violence because an entitled brat feels a little embarrassed or doesn't like the response or reaction they get. It is absolutely reprehensible and it is deeply hypocritical when male on female violence is a massive taboo. Not only is it entirely appalling, I think it has become irresponsible.
Oreimo is an example of this where the sister will slap, punch, gut-shot, nut-kick and headbutt her brother to the point where he's filled a trash bin with bloody tissues. The show even indicates that she is way out of line but never addresses it.
'Tomo-chan is a girl' is another example of this, where she beats up her love interest, but while it's played off like brothers fighting, she's also a literal martial artist renowned for being very strong and very violent. He can't even fight back and has to manage her being completely serious when she does this and not only protect himself, but not hurt her.
This is abuse on display. If a woman gets deeply offended and slaps a guy, then that's enough. There doesn't need to be more than that. In fact an abusive wife who doesn't outright beat her husband, but slaps him on the regular and can make him flinch is so much more of an effective character if that's the goal.
I got into a lot of fights when I was a kit and it was horrible. What was done to me and how far I went in return is something that I still carry several decades later and it makes me so sad and so disappointed that people don't understand the consequences of the physical and mental harm. At this point it stops being fiction and it gets a little too close to reality without addressing it and it's just flat out wrong.
2. Strong characters when it's not appropriate. A 4 foot tall girl in a medieval setting who swings not just a sword, but a buster sword like it's a game, with zero explanation of how that person got that strength. Note that I'm not talking about magical characters or game characters.
Guts is admittedly also an example of this, but the story very much gives reasons for why he should be able to, even if those are bad. When there is no reason, when people just carry around gigantic weapons like Aisha Belka from 'is it wrong to pick up girls in a dungeon' who has this massive cutlass, it more than strains the suspension of disbelief. It's one thing when it's an eight foot hulking monster of a man who's about to pop all his arteries, it's another when it's a slender prostitute who spends most of her days in the red light district.
3. This is more of a Western thing, anime has been pretty good at avoiding it, but tiny 40kg girls who take out 12 male soldiers by herself is also just an awful trope. Under Ninja gives a great example of a woman who's a survivor of a battle royale upbringing and has become monstrously ripped and toughened. She has a great reason and the right body to pull off the feats that she does.
I don't mind strong/physically capable women at all, that's not my big issue with the gender difference, it's that it demeans women when they are judged by the standards of men. Women have their own amazing capabilities and strengths that make them distinctly different from men and better in some situations.
It's okay to have a physically strong woman, but then she's the exception, she has to be rare in order for this to be an effective character. When it's a trope, it becomes utterly meaningless and it devalues the effort put into being such a strong and skilled person to pull off incredible feats of strength.
4. The "misunderstanding".
Someone barging in on a person during an unfortunate situation that is immediately misread because it really isn't what it looks like. Or someone confronting a person to hear their explanation and then within half a second deciding what the person means without hearing them out at all.
These are lazy and cheap drama triggers. They're awful.
I feel like you just aren’t a huge fan of cartoon logic in your anime, which is pretty strange. It’s an animated product, and a bunch of other things that aren’t realistic appear in anime that you completely ignore such as anime characters that would have to be either on Steroids or are anorexic to get chiseled muscles. It also makes only men be capable of these crazy feats, but not women. It seems like you are giving different standards for different genders.
@@thomasffrench3639 If you want to talk about this, talk, but don't give me this "you just don't get cartoons" or "you believe sexes are different" BS. Sexes, by the way, not "gender". Men and women. Boys and girls.
Let me just hammer this home for you immediately; If you think men and women aren't fundamentally different, you have not been explained something very basic, or you've raised with or have bought into outright disinformation.
The strength difference between men and women as soon as puberty hits is enormous. 12 year old boys beat professional women, who are in their prime, in sports.
An average male who rarely works out, or even is sedentary for most of their life, can *easily* overpower women who train on the regular and perform martial arts. Doesn't mean they'll always win in a fight, it means the inherent advantage to testosterone and bone structure of men is massive.
I'll just drive this stake down to the floor while I'm at it: There are no men's sports. Women are entirely free to participate in the NBA, NHL, NFL, FIFA or whatever sport they want if they're capable enough. Women's leagues specifically exist to exclude men due to the performance differences.
If you further think that this somehow is misogyny, then you are a child.
Women are socially far more competent than men and have a superior awareness of immediate and non-immediate circumstances, they see a broader spectrum of colors. Men have better spacial awareness. All of this to differing degrees of course. Recognizing these truths is important to respecting the sexes. Holding men and women to the same standard on certain things is not equal, it's very much unfair discrimination.
Finally being chiseled means having a low fat percentage and being dehydrated, it doesn't mean you're anorexic (you wouldn't be able to build muscle mass) or on steroids. Just wrong, wrong and wrong.
Next time you respond to someone, engage with what they're saying instead of firing off some prejudiced statement and unfounded information. Have some damn humility.
@@SmilomaniacI never said they weren’t different, and sorry for using gender instead of sex. I said that saying that men can be unrealistic but not women is just strange. I feel like you can’t distinguish between fiction and reality. Also, the way that men are portrayed in fiction are definitely either on steroids or are anorexic, at least in animated form, and for many cases live action. I feel like the only examples I can think of in action anime where that is not the case is Naruto where the characters have very realistic bodies.
@@thomasffrench3639 This is doubling down on idiocy. There is no hope for you.
@@Smilomaniac I’m not the one who can’t separate reality from fiction. Also shows how oblivious you are to the human body
Garnt's voice at the first second sounds so goofy, like "aANnth"
the One Piece; Kuma backstory was crazy sad
It kinda ruins the show with the retcons, Kuma is everywhere apparently even when you sleep and the nika cult 🙄
Clicking just to see whether Garnt is a free-thinking man or not, which is easily tested with loli questions. He failed, bros... Not picking young Shinobu and 1k y/o loli not being in S-tier when they are almost always the most fun characters that steal the spotlight? I'm appalled, man...
FBI? Yeah it’s this one. Yeah… yep, check the hard drive, search history, everything
The absolute best beach episode in my opinion was the ALTA beach episode with Azula, Zuko, Ty Lee, and Mai
56:50 garnt sounded like a bird here lol
Garnt: What's up with Catgirls
Also Garnt: ARA ARA ARA ARA ARA ARA ARA ARA ARA ARA ARA ARA ARA ARA ARA ARA ARA ARA ARA ARA ARA ARA ARA ARA ARA ARA
1:39:50 i cant believe it a nagi no asukara mention in 2023?? good shit grant
hot springs...generic "haab"/"omm" eating sound...ending every sentence with the same word.
Dude time skip in OP after Shabondy was so epic
personally I would put the 1000 year old loli trope at B tier, because I really like the concept of a small cute harmless looking little girl acting mature while also being overpowered as hell, in the series. LIke I would imagine the mc almost losing and then that tiny gremling looking thing just shows up and destroys every enemy, then the main characters is like "omg!" that little girl just destroyed every enemy? In conclution i just like unexpected contrast, also the 40 year old loli teacher in toaru is pretty hilarious.
S tier could be called the biaS tier.
18:37 Never seen Garnt change his opinion so fast 😂
People missing the point of Fairy Tail every single time lol, Fairy Tail is based around power of friendship even the power system and power of friendship is one of the main points of Fairy tail but what annoys me is people saying fairy tail is bad because of that.
It's fine not liking power of friendship but saying fairy tail is bad because of it is just wrong.
Its like biting into a banana and then complaining its not an apple lol.
It literally is, Natsu beating Akcnologia is what made me stop watching the anime.
@@grandu9761 I am not saying the series is not without its problems what series isnt ?But people have issues with the core of fairy tail being power of friendship when thats the main point of fairy tail.
power of friendship works best in anime like the Bang Dream franchise, no stupid MC plot armor, and is some of the best most realistic approach of the power of friendship. which why the Bang Dream series is so God Tier now along with the absolute banger music compared to most animes. although a lot of the band stories in Bandori are retelling of how the seiyuus came together, but the best way possible.
Bang Dreams seems kinda interesting what is it about?
@@yourdad5799 a multimedia music anime franchise, in the first season of the anime, Bandori's story will look a little bit like a combo between K-ON and Love Live together, the second and third season made more people regret their decision of dropping the series, at first the series went mediocre tier, and not much attention, once the gacha rhythm game started, followed by season 2 and onwards, it becomes an absolute masterpiece of a franchise that keeps banging hard with good music, unlike K-ON and Bocchi the Rock, Bandori has a total of 8 main band groups. all with there own type of music, not to mentioned that 5 out of 8 bands are real life bands.
@@kiraramax2066 Sounds cool. Not in the mood for a series like that at the moment but definately something to check out
Rocket Punch is best signature attack.
Beach episodes don't move the plot forward. They are always a drag to watch
Anime fillers are a bane of the industry.
You, as a reader realise that there are NO progression. You just see an advert of the original work. A shounen story just repeats their own moves, a romance story don't have any step anywhere. Ok... it doesn't have anyway, but there's a difference between everyone steps1 or nobody moves, but at least they had screentime.
I dropped so many good stories because of fillers.
I dropped One Piece at the Dragon filler once, and dropped for years at the rainbow mist saga.
When I was whinging about DGreyMan "team rocket" filler saga on a forum, someone explained to me what filler guides are.
I know we have One Piece G8 and Bleach Zanpakuto rebellion filler, but that's like saying you can make a living by playing the lottery...
The only exception for fillers are gag comedy series. Ie: Ranma1/2 and Gintama, concept are so goofy you would not realise its a filler, because setup can be so idiotic, I'm sure the author enjoys filler like "yo, why didn't I come with that shit up?"
My man here just did the biggest, largest Kappa in the entire history of Twitch and thought we wouldn't notice lol
No Grarnt we do want at least a base line of realism unless it's a over the top comedy .
Endless Eight is a filler episodes but I like it.
Gigguk after making the most predictable and overused joke: 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
Gigguk is dead to me after the monster girls slander, I will wait for his next based take
JJK fans when a backstory was shown followed by an airport scene: Nah, I`d weep..
Tournament arcs? The future of Slime is bright for Gigguk, though personally I think the festival arc dragged on for a bit too long.
Senjougahara & Hanekawa's shower scene alone is the reason why fanservice should be S, no matter what other anime does with it...
Having the main character be absent from their parental figures is a familiar writing technique to give the main character, well, a personality of his own. As a matter of fact I believe it is the most important writing technique. Because a main character who only follow's his father around is not is not the main character, the father is. You wanna know why the father is the main character..? Because he is absent from his parental figures...
Its not anime without the beach episode
I kind of feel like onsen episodes are not as common anymore as beach episodes in anime.
Harem ruined shield hero. Sword art online. Danmaki. Harem is the worst.
On that harem take, I feel like harem (or more precisely the degeneracy that comes with the trope) is what eventually ruined SAO. If you look at stuff like SAO: Progressive, you can see that having less characters to always have around makes up room for more interesting characters that actually matter to the plot.
is this specific tier list actually available on tiermaker cos I cant seem to find it
If you hate Mineta check what his name means in polish, i don't believe it's a coincedence
you forgot the anime hair trope hahahah
43:25 A lot of things since the contemporary era started are deconstructions. There is also reconstruction which rebuilds a trope or archetype, but with the believablity the deconstruction made. For example, a deconstruction of a Ladykiller in Love can be that the character is actually deeply miserable from feeling the need to seduce people, either due to something in his past, or from his current situation, resulting in him wanting to distance himself from intimacy for a while even though he feels attraction. A reconstruction of that can be said character learning from his experiences and learning to love again without feeling shame.
Wtf is the "contemporary era" that could be anything.
And "genre deconstruction" is a buzzword used way too much for things that are absolutely not deconstructions, which is what garnt was referring to.
Like people calling madoka a deconstruction of the magical girl genre, but it's not. It's just a darker take on magical girls, there's nothing deconstructive about it at all.
@@NihongoWakannai You could just Google "contemporary era" and when it started, y'know. Maybe blame the misuse of the word "deconstruction" rather than complaining about the word itself or to me.
Edit: I've never watched Madoka.
@@oceanicGrimalkin You know that words are used for communication, right? And when a word is often misused, it doesn't matter if you know the "right" definition if people are going to misunderstand you when you use it regardless.
Garnt is talking specifically about anime, anime tropes and the perceptions of the anglosphere anime community. He has the awareness that you lack to realize that "deconstruction" in the context of an anime tierlist maker is likely to be referring to the misunderstood notion of deconstructions. Especially when the picture behind it is madoka which is the most famously miscategorized anime "deconstruction" and actual real deconstructions are very uncommon if not completely unknown by the vast majority of the anime community.
Meanwhile you decided it was an opportunity to "correct" him by going on some tangential rant about the "contemporary era" which is so irrelevant to the context of the anime community that I didn't even realize you were trying to refer to contemporary history rather than some era of anime.
@@NihongoWakannai Bruh, it's not me going on a rant. It's you. I wasn't even agitated when I wrote it. It's that people misunderstand what deconstruction means. If they misunderstood it, that's on them. Also, you keep using Madoka as an example when I said I have never watched it. Plus, a lot of anime is made during the contemporary era, which is still an ongoing era today.
@@oceanicGrimalkin "If they misunderstood it, that's on them" incorrect. If you want to be an effective communicator and not an annoying pedant, then it involves understanding your audience's biases and misunderstandings and working around those things to deliver the proper message. The goal is not to intentionally use words which you know will be misunderstood just so you can posture to them about your superior intelligence.
This is actually a core concept in terms of storytelling, you MUST know the biases of your audience and write with that in mind.
"Also, you keep using Madoka as an example"
Because it's literally the one used in the video and is very relevant to garnt's awareness of the situation. I'm telling you that it is THE most miscategorized "deconstruction" in anime.
"Plus, a lot of anime is made during the contemporary era, which is still an ongoing era today."
all anime relevant to 99.9% of conversations (including this video) were made within the last ~4 decades. Referring to it as the "contemporary era" is only correct in the sense of a semantic technicality (which you seem to be a big fan of). It's like talking about "smartphones made in the contemporary era" or "internet within the contemporary era" it's superfluous categorization which only leads to miscommunication because it seems you're attempting to make some point by using it.
9:23 They shout attack names is Kamen Rider and they're not cringe. For me atleast🙂
Already know Incest is S tier for Garnt.
The man has changed.
@@rickchakraborty2087 Disappointing. His take on incest used to be his redeeming trait. Now his takes aren't any different from any average normie
I love Harem anime, but they hardly pick Harem endings or pick the obvious boring Tsundere. I swear NiseKoy would’ve ended better without Chitose. But that’s just me, I still like characters like Kirusu, even though she can hardly be called a tsundere when she’s clearly the only level headed member in a group of weirdos.
The reason why calling your attack works is for a simple reason. Anime is secretly Pro wrestling in disguise.
Ever heard of Kinnikuman? That’s why most battle series are just like Pre Wrestling.
53:57 "Superior Saber"? More like Sub-par Saber.
1:37:57 That is why Frieren is number one on MAL right now
Until FMB takes nr.1 spot again, when the season ends it falls downs when the normies starts to rate it.
Merry Christmas to everyone! 🎉🥳🎈🎊
my all time favorite trope will always be the childhood friend
Best fillers, One Piece G8 and DBZ Gohan going to High School.
Considering his wife is the main perpetrator, of course the Internet has NOT ruined Ara Ara lol
15:00 He likes Beach Episodes with "Plot"
He prefers onsen episodes over beach episodes and i respect that.
What about the "this is many things but isekai sent one" isekais. I despise so many ch how every fantasy anime needs to start with 10 minutes of person dying getting reincarnated an then never have him being from the real world affecting anything even the slightest bit
56:50:Oni-chan mixed with British accent.😂😂
Let's gooo!!!