It's very sad that Edward didn't appear in Thomas and the Magic Railroad. Here are my thoughts about what could happen if Edward would've appeared in the movie. I agree with everything Keifer said, but what if Edward actually kept a secret from the other engines about knowing Lady when she first came to Sodor and they worked together before Diesel 10 chased Lady and crashed her. Edward would've come to put her back on the rails and Burnett Stone asks Edward to take both Burnett and Lady back to the Magic Buffers. Then when Diesel 10 returns to find Lady and to try and destroy her, Edward keeps his secret from the other engines and doesn't tell them until he tells Thomas and Percy about knowing Lady and about the Magic Buffers years ago and Edward, along with Mr. Conductor, would encourage Thomas to take Lily through the Magic Railroad to Muffle Mountain. And then after the chase and Diesel 10 is defeated, both Percy and Edward would join Thomas and Lady at the special platform with the water well when Mr. Conductor and Junior get the new gold dust.
Funny thing, Henry's lines about why Diesel 10 wants to find Lady were supposed to go to Edward before his model was damaged. that's why Henry's voice goes from sounding British and wise to congested and American for the rest of the movie.
His model wasn't damaged. He just wasn't written in all of the original scripts cause they couldn't think of anything to utilize him that would add any value to the film.
That I agree with Kiefer Adams, in fact he was in one fan cast video at Tidmouth sheds after seeing Gordon being rude to Thomas, he said, “Shut up, you’re all jealous!” Then after Thomas sulking, he added, “Cheer up Thomas!” Then after Thomas said, “Little engines can do big things, especially when they have nice blue paint like me!” Edward finished with, “That’s a good engine!” Think of that
It sucks that Edward was never planned to be in this movie, though tbf I can’t really imagine him doing much if he was in it. But this is a great way to make use of him in the movie.
@@markpatton370 Yes, but what I don't understand is how did Lady escape from Diesel 10 even though he crashed her? That is why I prefer the Director's Cut over the Final Version
I always picture either Patrick Breen or John Bellis to voice Edward in MRR if he did appear, but Michael Angelis also works well too. If Duck, Oliver, Donald & Douglas also appear (and George and Cranky being kept) in the film, I imagine their voices as this: Kevin Frank as Duck Michael Angelis as Donald and George Neil Crone as Douglas and Cranky Patrick Breen as Oliver. Just a thought (no other VAs like Lee Cornes for example though cause it's all recorded in Toronto, similar to how the UK and US dubs of the CGI Series each are recorded in the UK - so it's very complicated to get someone else from overseas just to do the voice. Even John Bellis, Michael Angelis, Keith Scott and Patrick Breen had to be flown up to Toronto to record their lines in a mere of 4-5 days).
If Mavis, BoCo, Bill, Ben, Terence and Trevor appeared in the film, here's what I think their voice actors would be like: Colm Feore as Terence/BoCo Kellie Martin as Mavis Michael Angelis as Trevor/Bill Patrick Breen as Ben
That's very good. If only Britt and the makers had thought of that and kept Edward in the film regardless. Would've be awesome. In my CGI styled remake, I'II feature Edward in it.
Edward and Henry being the ones with the most knowledge of D10 and his backstory is an idea I had too, it just feels right for them to be treated as: Edward - Wise and knowledgeable Henry: Knowledgeable, but still has a temper that overshadows such, similar to S5, which we do see a little bit of in the movie. Tinkering with these for a current rewrite I’m working on myself, you have some golden idea, good sir! Pat yourself on the back!
3:24 Ironically that’s exactly what I did in my magic railroad shorts where edward joined toby lol. Also the other reason why he wasn’t in the film besides not enough screentime was his model wasn’t updated in time.
@@Archiebugg and I would prefer if Edward would be voiced by Ringo Starr or Christopher Lee or Richard Harris or Michael Gough or Micheal Gambon or Jim Broadbent if he was in Thomas and The Magic Railroad. (Yep I listed one Thomas Narrator/Beatles Member, two Corpse Bride actors and three Harry Potter Actors to be suitable voices for Edward if he is in Thomas and The Magic Railroad.) What voice actor I list suits Edward if he is in the movie? And tell me what actor suits Edward and what actor doesn’t.
When I first watched Thomas and the Magic Railroad many years ago I though that there would more characters like Edward, Duck, Donald Douglaus, Bill, Ben. Oliver and the rest of the characters but unfortunely that never happened, plus I was expect to see Gordon, Henry, James, Percy and Toby at the end of the movie with Thomas and Lady.
I think that John Bellis( the original voice for Thomas in the magic railroad) had a perfect voice for Edward. But I will agree that Michael Angelis would have been a good choice for Edward. Overall, I loved this, what if? And I'd love to hear and see more of them from you.
In the chase scene Burnett said to Diesel 10 "the magic you refuse to believe in", even though Diesel 10 DID believe in the magic. Burnett originally said that to Boomer in the original version because even though Boomer didn't believe in magic, he was the one who was after Lady because half of her is literally made out of gold so Boomer can take her golden parts to make money. I know many people don't consider Boomer as the villain, but if you ask me, I think Boomer destroying Lady just for money is more realistic than destroying her to destroy magic. Lady doesn't have to be a magical engine, it's not mandatory. The final cut does not make sense to me because it implied Diesel 10 "returned" even though there was never an episode of him coming to Sodor and his plan is so stupid because Burnett said that Diesel 10 crashed Lady, but then it cuts to another scene of Diesel 10 saying that Lady escaped from him. How did she escape from him even though he crashed her?! That doesn't make any sense! And how did Burnett bring Lady back from Sodor to Shining Time?! She can't do magic after she crashed, right?! And another thing, Diesel 10 didn't do anything to find Lady! All he did was lurk around, harass the engines and make an idiot out of himself! Yes, Boomer did lurk around and harass everyone in Shining Time, but he didn't get himself into any comeuppance and he did work hard to find Lady because he is smart enough to know where she was hiding, in Muffle Mountain. And he worked hard to dig up the mountain to find her, first with a shovel, second with a digging excavator, and third with explosions. And there's another thing I want to point out, in the final version Thomas rolled down the mountain because of some random wind. But it was originally Boomer's explosion that caused Thomas to roll down. With Boomer removed from the film, all these are so confusing and makes Burnett and Lily's inclusion to the story worthless. I see a lot of fans saying that P.T. Boomer is a useless character. I respectfully disagree with that statement. The REAL useless character was Mr. Conductor. Think about it, all he ever did was talk to the audience, talk to a ball and bat and go on a wild goose chase in the woods losing his mind! Alec Baldwin should've only just been the narrator in the movie and NOT a character! Also, it wasn't necessary for Shining Time Station to clash with the Thomas universe, I know Britt Allcroft just wanted to do something creative for a Thomas movie, but this is not the way to do it. I think the subplot with Lily and Burnett would have worked if it didn't involve magic, talking tumbleweeds, sentient rabbits, Mr. Conductor, Stacy Jones, Billy Twofeathers or the entirety of Shining Time Station! I think a story involving the bond of a girl and her grandfather should have been more compelling, especially when the grandpa was grieving the loss of his wife and needed to go through some emotional baggage. And Lady doesn't have to be a magical engine, she could just be an old engine that needs to be restored and with a real-life basis. Sodor should be more real and British with real life humans instead of wooden figures and the engines should NOT drive themselves. The Thomas Characters from seasons 1-5 should've appeared and cameoed. Sir Topham Hatt should have more involvement in the film instead of being the Phone Guy (FNAF reference LOL), the same goes to Thomas, he's in the title and should have more screen time along with his friends. Lily should be a well written character and have more of a personality instead of asking a dog which train to take which is ridiculous, same goes to Burnett. I think Patch is a decent supporting character, so he's fine. And Boomer should've been more of a better written and compelling character to be THE FIRST human villain in Thomas & Friends universe, the first human to ever wanted to scrap an engine, and most importantly the one who owns and operates Diesel 10. Speaking of Diesel 10, I hate the final cut version of him, it had more to do with magic and Mr. Conductor instead of saying to scrap all the steam engines so diesels can take over. And what's with his voice in the final cut? It's too cartoony and too American for a British built diesel. The original cut with Keith Scott voicing him sounds way better and British. And I also hate the final cut because of Percy and James' voices, they sound too girly! They're guys! What the hell?! And I also hate the trend of Gordon being mean in the movie and the rest of the series! He and Thomas formed an alliance together, "United we stand, together we fall. You help me, and I help you." DOES THAT RING A BELL?! And Henry should NOT use special coal anymore! And the chase that led to the big viaduct seems dangerous in my opinion, it should've led to a smaller bridge that's breaking and needs repairs. I enjoy Junior as a comic relief more than the next guy, but getting himself fling by a windmill is dangerous.
"Thomas the Tank Engine and the Magic Railroad" was the only "Thomas the Tank Engine" movie that premiered in movie theaters. I'm wishing that they would create another theatrical "Thomas the Tank Engine" movie that'll be about the Fat Controller and how he came to be Sir Topham Hat.
That is an interesting take on the video. I heard that Edward was originally going to take the Fat Controller and Lady Hatt on their train from Knapford to their destination in thr first part of the film.
Have a feeling considering the film went with a Canadian based voice cast from Toronto that Edward would've been voiced by Adrian Truss or Benedict Campbell
It would’ve been a delight to have Edward in thomas and the magic railroad and I’ve always thought of ringo starr to be the voice actor for Edward in the film
YES FINALLY SOMEONE ELSE THINKS THE TOBY DISTRACTION SCENE WOULD BE PERFECT WITH EDWARD! Tho my reasoning is a little more niche, I’d have Edward be reluctant as the natural peace keeper and let Diesel 10 learn on his own, showing his passivity, where’s as of course Toby, immediately goes for getting a reaction, for the sake of a laugh, showing they’re both old and wise, but completely different philosophies.
It would’ve been nice to see him share the spotlight with James, Henry and Toby in a few occasions. Noel McNeal would’ve been a perfect fit for his voice in the Final Cut.
Great video. When I first saw the movie, I couldn't understand why they'd left him out. Apparently, some of the models got damaged in shipping, Edward's included. And there wasn't time to repair or replace it. It's truly a shame. As for the voice actor, for the UK dub, I would have cast Sir John Hurt as his voice actor. He did aging character voices pretty nicely, i.e. Mr Ollivander from Harry Potter, and Hazel from Watership Down.
I'd like to think Rowan Atkinson, the voice of Zazu in the 1994 animated Disney film "The Lion King", would be a decent choice for Edward in both American and British dubs of TATMR.
Well done Kiefer. Edward should have been in Thomas and the Magic Railroad in the first place where either Boco, Derek, Mavis, or Donald and Douglas would have taken Sir Topham Hatt and Lady Hatt. Your video just gave me an idea: you could release What If Thomas videos weekly depends on requests/ideas from your fans. In fact, I have a few ideas for your next What If videos: 1. "What If 'Thomas and Friends' was still a permanent 60FPS Clay-Faced Model Series while owned by Disney" where the show was still with 60FPS Clay-Faced Model Series, along with the CGI-Audio and Voice-Stars we heard in the CGI-Era, and show lasted forever, while never cancelled, along with images of what CGI-Characters that each didn't appear at the model one with these details: A. Thomas and his Friends show up at Disneyworld-land B. Many live-action Thomas and Friends Disney movies and series with these very models - Crossovers, Christmas, Once Upon a Time: Thomas and Friends C. Disney's Thomas and Friends: The Musical where the stars would wear identical costumes from Starlight-Express D. Have Thomas and his Friends join Kingdom Hearts E. Let Emily, Rebecca, Nia, Rosie, Molly, Kana, and the female characters team up with the Disney Princesses etc. 2. "What If the upcoming Thomas and Friends movie and then Thomas and Friends finally revived could be owned by Disney" 3. "What If Thomas, representing Sodor, was the main character in Starlight Express and Starlight Express is also adapted as 60FPS Clay-Faced Model Musical Film where Thomas and the characters there voiced by many famous stars" 4. "What If 'Thomas and the Polar Express' also existed" to celebrate "The Polar Express's" 20th Anniversary 5. "What If there could a movie about Wilbert Awdry" where it would be Entitled: "The Thin Clergyman" a Coming-Of-Age Biographical Movie about Wilbert's whole life from childhood all the way to his final days with actors each resembling Wilbert through the years reenacting everything he did and then it could win the Academy Awards
Those are great alterations! Like everybody else, I started to question why Edward wasn't in the film. It would make much better sense for him to replace a few of Henry and Toby's scenes, also join Toby on spying on Diesel 10.
After watching the film I was like, Why is Edward not in this movie until I did some research of why he was absent from Thomas and the magic railroad and now I know why he didn't appear
Kiefer. Your explaining that if Edward had appeared in Thomas and the Magic Railroad is perfection!!! I even loved the voice actor choices you gave him for the US & UK releases. I would have loved to hear Noel Macneal voicing my favorite Number 2 engine being voiced by a Jim Henson Puppeteer!
What about other characters like Duck, Oliver, Toad, Donald, Douglas, Mavis, BoCo, Daisy, Derek, Terence, Trevor, and the narrow gauge engines Skarloey, Rheneas, Sir Handel, Peter Sam, Rusty, Duncan and Duke? Why couldn't *they* appear in TATMR?
@@ThomasLover-fr8nh I don't know. But if they appeared in the movie, I think Duck could be voiced by Ringo Starr, Donald, voiced by George Carlin, Douglas, voiced by Michael Angelis, Oliver, voiced by Peter Saills, and Duke, voiced by Christopher Lee. These are the characters with voice actors I can think of.
@@matthewsoares9880 Well how about this: what if these characters made silent cameos in the "Thomas Anthem", "Night Train", and "Really Useful Engine" numbers?
As much as i love tatmr i think its a blessing edward wasnt in it i mean they did bring back special coal for henry... how do we know they wouldnt do anything bad to edward.. but then on the other hand they got toby right so... idk
Nice idea for edward being apart of the film.I think it would make sense for toby to share his moment with edward, considering they are 2 old but very cunning engines.
I wounder if anyone would ever try and do a fix it for Thomas and the Magic Railroad. I mean I do like the movie and thought it was alright. Didn't actually know that a lot of people didn't like it because I liked it. But I do still want to see someone do a Fix it. Also when I wrote a sequel of sorts on my AO3. I explained where Edward was and that it was basically Sir Topham Hatt took him on Holiday. I also mention Duke and Oliver as well saying that they are working on another line. I also have Edward help in the end where he basically tells Sir Topham Hatt what Diesel 10 is doing. Basically having Sir Topham Hatt show up at the end and tell Diesel 10 off before banishing him to the Smelters Yard.
Duck Oliver Toad and the Scottish Twins should also have been in TATMRR in some way. I feel like the D10 mountain would be on The Little Western (the cliffside looks similar ngl)
For no one who understands what he means by in the shot where Henry passes through Knapford he's referring to the shot from the song where Henry goes past the station from the opening
He was in the Movie! In the scene where Edward popped on camera and said "Diesel 10 didn't Ju Ju on that beat", Diesel 10 then fell off the Viaduct. such an ICONIC moment.
That would be interesting if Edward was in Thomas in the Magic Railroad. What was the main reason why Edward wasn't in Thomas and the Magic Railroad? I thought they couldn't get his model complete.
if Edward did appear in Magic railroad, Wouldn't he also replace James in the scrapyard scene where Diesel 10 thunders in and Junior would be flung onto his cab roof? I personally think that would be a cool scene and it would also show a moment of Edward standing up to Diesel 10.
Well what if Edward was with James and Junior in the scrap yard? He would be protecting them from Diesel 10, saying that if he wants them, he'll have to get through him.
@@ThomasLover-fr8nh that would be cool and another thing, If Edward was in Magic railroad, Wouldn't Thomas ask him to protect the buffers instead of Percy and later go and see and find splodge there and race back to warn Thomas?
i'm finishing my first movie, based on THOMAS AND THE MAGIC RAILROAD THE DIRECTOR'S CUT and Wallace and Gromit crossed over together. Edward is called Elward for female, James is Jamesica and Percy being female, Their have been changes too. Duck 's actual name Montague to Lucy, Donald and Douglas, Oliver to Mary, Diesel to Amarlia, BoCo, Mavis and possibly Daisy and the Skarloey Railway. I think Pierce Brosnan would of made a good voice of Edward or Helena Boman Carter. Plus Emily appears in my version, plus Bear, Murdoch, Rosie, Molly, Rebecca and Nia
Although he was not in the movie because his model was not finished in time he could of been mentioned saying he took the fat controller and lady hat on holiday
I don’t know if it would have improved the film that much. Besides, the scene with Toby (the other wise engine) tricking Diesel 10 and Splodge into trapping themselves was easily the best part.
Well my version, would have involved Thomas & Edward going through the magic buffers and going to muffle mountain. And A Other Thing It Would cool to see Lady, Thomas And Edward Being chased By Diesel 10, P.T Bommer, Along With Splatter And Dodge. And causing His Tender To Make A Big Crash, Casuing The Big Dipper, To Crumble Into Pieces & Casuing Diesel 10 To Fall Into The Barge, But For Splatter & Dodge, They Would Stop Just In Time.
Unfortunately i don't think Edward appearing in the movie wouldn't of made a difference of how terrible it ended up being, he undoubtedly would've only had a minor role like Toby speaking for only one or two small scenes at least, and the film still would've bombed regardless due to it's poor reception. Might just be my opinion... but i'm thankful Edward was spared being part of such a meandering mess that doomed the outlook of the franchise going forward.
It Bothered me Edward wasn't included in the movie when he was the one that started it all Edward was created first not Thomas that alone should have gotten him the spot.
I genuinely believe that the roles of Edward and Toby should’ve been reversed and Edward should’ve taken Toby’s role in Tatmr. Since Edward was a more prominent main character in the Alcroft era than Toby with 10 starring episodes while Toby had 9 starring episodes (I don’t consider Thomas In Trouble/Thomas Breaks The Rules a Toby starring episode, but the ttte wiki says it is so that’s why I’m counting it) and Edward is also a lot more important than Toby since Edward is the reason why the railway series and the franchise even exists. I think the reason why Britt Alcroft and David Mitton put Toby in Tatmr and not Edward despite Edward being the 6th boy while Toby is only the 7th is because they did more with Toby in season 5 than Edward since Toby had 2 starring episodes while Edward had none. I do genuinely believe that if Percy was female instead of male (but still have her be named Percy) then Edward would’ve appeared in Tatmr instead of Toby since Edward would’ve had 2 starring episodes in season 5 with Edward, Percy, And Old Slow Coach and Edward’s Good Luck Package since he would’ve been the 5th boy instead of the 6th. Because think about it, Gordon and Henry are the 4th and 5th boys and they appeared in Tatmr so the same would’ve been the case for Edward if Percy was a girl and they would’ve simply had given Edward Toby’s role as the old and wise father figure to the other engines. Edward would’ve had Toby’s voice actor and he would sounded the same as Toby. But do to how much David Mitton and Britt Alcroft loved Toby they would’ve given Toby a mention at the beginning of the movie saying that he took Sir Topham Hatt on holiday thus explaining why Toby would not be in the movie. I really wish we could live in that alternate timeline as I always felt sad that Edward was not in Tatmr, but he would’ve if Percy was a girl.
Edward would be a major plot point as he is the oldest engine on sodor and maybe he has stronger connections to lady
It's very sad that Edward didn't appear in Thomas and the Magic Railroad. Here are my thoughts about what could happen if Edward would've appeared in the movie. I agree with everything Keifer said, but what if Edward actually kept a secret from the other engines about knowing Lady when she first came to Sodor and they worked together before Diesel 10 chased Lady and crashed her. Edward would've come to put her back on the rails and Burnett Stone asks Edward to take both Burnett and Lady back to the Magic Buffers. Then when Diesel 10 returns to find Lady and to try and destroy her, Edward keeps his secret from the other engines and doesn't tell them until he tells Thomas and Percy about knowing Lady and about the Magic Buffers years ago and Edward, along with Mr. Conductor, would encourage Thomas to take Lily through the Magic Railroad to Muffle Mountain. And then after the chase and Diesel 10 is defeated, both Percy and Edward would join Thomas and Lady at the special platform with the water well when Mr. Conductor and Junior get the new gold dust.
This is a great idea aswell!
Funny thing, Henry's lines about why Diesel 10 wants to find Lady were supposed to go to Edward before his model was damaged. that's why Henry's voice goes from sounding British and wise to congested and American for the rest of the movie.
His model wasn't damaged. He just wasn't written in all of the original scripts cause they couldn't think of anything to utilize him that would add any value to the film.
His model could've also had some trouble running due to the bad shipping of the models
Edward should’ve been in TATMRR, because that would’ve been great if this movie wasn’t box office failure.
That I agree with Kiefer Adams, in fact he was in one fan cast video at Tidmouth sheds after seeing Gordon being rude to Thomas, he said, “Shut up, you’re all jealous!” Then after Thomas sulking, he added, “Cheer up Thomas!” Then after Thomas said, “Little engines can do big things, especially when they have nice blue paint like me!” Edward finished with, “That’s a good engine!” Think of that
Edward would probably be a big player in this cause he knows more about the island
Edward's role would've added a bit more weight to the film, given how old and wise he is. Toby can't take all the credit.
Adding Edward to the movie would've probably made it a bit better.
It sucks that Edward was never planned to be in this movie, though tbf I can’t really imagine him doing much if he was in it. But this is a great way to make use of him in the movie.
In my head, I think Edward would have seen the lost engine for himself. He knows something the other engines don't.
That makes a lot of sense because he is an old wise engine who's been on Sodor since 1915
He probably helped Burnett move lady to his workshop
@@markpatton370 Yes, but what I don't understand is how did Lady escape from Diesel 10 even though he crashed her? That is why I prefer the Director's Cut over the Final Version
@@dylanlyles9453 In my head, Diesel 10 doesn't arrive yet. P.T. Boomer was the cause of Lady's crash.
@@BDAThomas Yes! Definitely! Absolutely! You're right! You are correct!
I always picture either Patrick Breen or John Bellis to voice Edward in MRR if he did appear, but Michael Angelis also works well too.
If Duck, Oliver, Donald & Douglas also appear (and George and Cranky being kept) in the film, I imagine their voices as this:
Kevin Frank as Duck
Michael Angelis as Donald and George
Neil Crone as Douglas and Cranky
Patrick Breen as Oliver.
Just a thought (no other VAs like Lee Cornes for example though cause it's all recorded in Toronto, similar to how the UK and US dubs of the CGI Series each are recorded in the UK - so it's very complicated to get someone else from overseas just to do the voice. Even John Bellis, Michael Angelis, Keith Scott and Patrick Breen had to be flown up to Toronto to record their lines in a mere of 4-5 days).
If Mavis, BoCo, Bill, Ben, Terence and Trevor appeared in the film, here's what I think their voice actors would be like:
Colm Feore as Terence/BoCo
Kellie Martin as Mavis
Michael Angelis as Trevor/Bill
Patrick Breen as Ben
Awesome choices, but who would be the voice for James? (Not Susan roman.)
Cool ideas.
While TATMR is my all-time favourite movie, it would have been cool if Edward had been in the film.
Yeah he was accent from that movie, and we were sad and heartbroken that he doesn't appeared. But we can make it better.
That would've been nice if Edward was in Thomas and the magic Railroad.
He'll Be in My Verison Of TATMR
Along with Other Engines
They should have had Duck & The Scottish Twins as well!
@@javielalvarez5459totally true, and also the rest of the Thomas character of the S1-5.
That's very good. If only Britt and the makers had thought of that and kept Edward in the film regardless. Would've be awesome. In my CGI styled remake, I'II feature Edward in it.
Edward and Henry being the ones with the most knowledge of D10 and his backstory is an idea I had too, it just feels right for them to be treated as:
Edward - Wise and knowledgeable
Henry: Knowledgeable, but still has a temper that overshadows such, similar to S5, which we do see a little bit of in the movie.
Tinkering with these for a current rewrite I’m working on myself, you have some golden idea, good sir! Pat yourself on the back!
I'm doing a CGI styled rewrite myself.
I wish Edward Was In Magic Railroad
3:24 Ironically that’s exactly what I did in my magic railroad shorts where edward joined toby lol. Also the other reason why he wasn’t in the film besides not enough screentime was his model wasn’t updated in time.
I'm glad I'm not the only one who thought he needed to be here
Amazing I wish Edward was in Thomas and the magic railroad movie.
I wish that I could be Edward’s voice actor in TATMR, and maybe he can discover the magic railroad and save it with Thomas.
I would perfer it if he was voiced by colm feore
@@Archiebugg and I would prefer if Edward would be voiced by Ringo Starr or Christopher Lee or Richard Harris or Michael Gough or Micheal Gambon or Jim Broadbent if he was in Thomas and The Magic Railroad.
(Yep I listed one Thomas Narrator/Beatles Member, two Corpse Bride actors and three Harry Potter Actors to be suitable voices for Edward if he is in Thomas and The Magic Railroad.)
What voice actor I list suits Edward if he is in the movie?
And tell me what actor suits Edward and what actor doesn’t.
When I first watched Thomas and the Magic Railroad many years ago I though that there would more characters like Edward, Duck, Donald Douglaus, Bill, Ben. Oliver and the rest of the characters but unfortunely that never happened, plus I was expect to see Gordon, Henry, James, Percy and Toby at the end of the movie with Thomas and Lady.
I think so
Edward will just be a guide for thomas
I think John Ballis would’ve been perfect for Edwards voice his original voice for Thomas suits Edward
Same and I was think about that all along
I think that John Bellis( the original voice for Thomas in the magic railroad) had a perfect voice for Edward. But I will agree that Michael Angelis would have been a good choice for Edward. Overall, I loved this, what if? And I'd love to hear and see more of them from you.
4:55 I can see that though One of the problems being was that the engine's voices were done by a Canadian based voice cast from Toronto
Edward is basically the Gandalf of the Thomas universe
so I was appalled he was not there
He would of been good for legends of Sodor
Or the Dumbledore of Sodor
@@Kyranyoutubevids that’s true
Yes, I can see Angelis voicing Edward in the UK version of the film.
That's very nice too. But on the other hand, I think John Cleese would've been a good voice for Edward.
@@philipmancera2505 I think he would be better suited for the role of Gordon.
@@worthybutter2004 I think a good British TV celeb that would fit Edward well would had been Peter Sallis.
@@worthybutter2004 or Peter O'Toole as Edward. How about that???
I like that you limited Edward to moments that makes sense for him, especially the engine meeting
In the chase scene Burnett said to Diesel 10 "the magic you refuse to believe in", even though Diesel 10 DID believe in the magic. Burnett originally said that to Boomer in the original version because even though Boomer didn't believe in magic, he was the one who was after Lady because half of her is literally made out of gold so Boomer can take her golden parts to make money. I know many people don't consider Boomer as the villain, but if you ask me, I think Boomer destroying Lady just for money is more realistic than destroying her to destroy magic. Lady doesn't have to be a magical engine, it's not mandatory. The final cut does not make sense to me because it implied Diesel 10 "returned" even though there was never an episode of him coming to Sodor and his plan is so stupid because Burnett said that Diesel 10 crashed Lady, but then it cuts to another scene of Diesel 10 saying that Lady escaped from him. How did she escape from him even though he crashed her?! That doesn't make any sense! And how did Burnett bring Lady back from Sodor to Shining Time?! She can't do magic after she crashed, right?! And another thing, Diesel 10 didn't do anything to find Lady! All he did was lurk around, harass the engines and make an idiot out of himself! Yes, Boomer did lurk around and harass everyone in Shining Time, but he didn't get himself into any comeuppance and he did work hard to find Lady because he is smart enough to know where she was hiding, in Muffle Mountain. And he worked hard to dig up the mountain to find her, first with a shovel, second with a digging excavator, and third with explosions. And there's another thing I want to point out, in the final version Thomas rolled down the mountain because of some random wind. But it was originally Boomer's explosion that caused Thomas to roll down. With Boomer removed from the film, all these are so confusing and makes Burnett and Lily's inclusion to the story worthless. I see a lot of fans saying that P.T. Boomer is a useless character. I respectfully disagree with that statement. The REAL useless character was Mr. Conductor. Think about it, all he ever did was talk to the audience, talk to a ball and bat and go on a wild goose chase in the woods losing his mind! Alec Baldwin should've only just been the narrator in the movie and NOT a character! Also, it wasn't necessary for Shining Time Station to clash with the Thomas universe, I know Britt Allcroft just wanted to do something creative for a Thomas movie, but this is not the way to do it. I think the subplot with Lily and Burnett would have worked if it didn't involve magic, talking tumbleweeds, sentient rabbits, Mr. Conductor, Stacy Jones, Billy Twofeathers or the entirety of Shining Time Station! I think a story involving the bond of a girl and her grandfather should have been more compelling, especially when the grandpa was grieving the loss of his wife and needed to go through some emotional baggage. And Lady doesn't have to be a magical engine, she could just be an old engine that needs to be restored and with a real-life basis. Sodor should be more real and British with real life humans instead of wooden figures and the engines should NOT drive themselves. The Thomas Characters from seasons 1-5 should've appeared and cameoed. Sir Topham Hatt should have more involvement in the film instead of being the Phone Guy (FNAF reference LOL), the same goes to Thomas, he's in the title and should have more screen time along with his friends. Lily should be a well written character and have more of a personality instead of asking a dog which train to take which is ridiculous, same goes to Burnett. I think Patch is a decent supporting character, so he's fine. And Boomer should've been more of a better written and compelling character to be THE FIRST human villain in Thomas & Friends universe, the first human to ever wanted to scrap an engine, and most importantly the one who owns and operates Diesel 10. Speaking of Diesel 10, I hate the final cut version of him, it had more to do with magic and Mr. Conductor instead of saying to scrap all the steam engines so diesels can take over. And what's with his voice in the final cut? It's too cartoony and too American for a British built diesel. The original cut with Keith Scott voicing him sounds way better and British. And I also hate the final cut because of Percy and James' voices, they sound too girly! They're guys! What the hell?! And I also hate the trend of Gordon being mean in the movie and the rest of the series! He and Thomas formed an alliance together, "United we stand, together we fall. You help me, and I help you." DOES THAT RING A BELL?! And Henry should NOT use special coal anymore! And the chase that led to the big viaduct seems dangerous in my opinion, it should've led to a smaller bridge that's breaking and needs repairs. I enjoy Junior as a comic relief more than the next guy, but getting himself fling by a windmill is dangerous.
It would make sense for Edward to have known Burnett stone and lady and the conductor family
"Thomas the Tank Engine and the Magic Railroad" was the only "Thomas the Tank Engine" movie that premiered in movie theaters. I'm wishing that they would create another theatrical "Thomas the Tank Engine" movie that'll be about the Fat Controller and how he came to be Sir Topham Hat.
Yeah and have John Goodman play as him.
That is an interesting take on the video. I heard that Edward was originally going to take the Fat Controller and Lady Hatt on their train from Knapford to their destination in thr first part of the film.
Have a feeling considering the film went with a Canadian based voice cast from Toronto that Edward would've been voiced by Adrian Truss or Benedict Campbell
Nice I really wish Edward appears here
I wish he did. Edward should be booked by Rob Paulsen if he did appear.
Or Ringo Starr, Or Christopher Lee, Or Richard Harris, Or Micheal Gambon, Or whatever actor I could think of anyway
It would’ve been a delight to have Edward in thomas and the magic railroad and I’ve always thought of ringo starr to be the voice actor for Edward in the film
I seriously cannot unhear ringo Starr
Or George Carlin before he died in 2008.
@@stephenpatton3411 it was also the same year where the model series ended
YES FINALLY SOMEONE ELSE THINKS THE TOBY DISTRACTION SCENE WOULD BE PERFECT WITH EDWARD! Tho my reasoning is a little more niche, I’d have Edward be reluctant as the natural peace keeper and let Diesel 10 learn on his own, showing his passivity, where’s as of course Toby, immediately goes for getting a reaction, for the sake of a laugh, showing they’re both old and wise, but completely different philosophies.
Edward would know that some bad engines never learn, especially on how evil Diesel 10 is.
@@DavidBContentExtravaganza3967 I know but still wanna showcase these 2 have different perspectives
@@Nic_2751 Which I'm all for it.
@@Nic_2751 Nah, Toby's perfect for the role. His brown paint blends in with the rusty brown scrap metal
@@dylanlyles9453 you say that is if the engine that’s clearly clean and has a face doesn’t stick out and would actually fool anyone
A friend of mine actually suggested Edward be voiced by Rowan Atkinson to voice Edward.
That would be 100% Perfect for Edward for both dubs. Great choice for him.
@@JellytoyProductions IKR?
It would’ve been nice to see him share the spotlight with James, Henry and Toby in a few occasions. Noel McNeal would’ve been a perfect fit for his voice in the Final Cut.
Great video. When I first saw the movie, I couldn't understand why they'd left him out. Apparently, some of the models got damaged in shipping, Edward's included. And there wasn't time to repair or replace it. It's truly a shame. As for the voice actor, for the UK dub, I would have cast Sir John Hurt as his voice actor. He did aging character voices pretty nicely, i.e. Mr Ollivander from Harry Potter, and Hazel from Watership Down.
I'd like to think Rowan Atkinson, the voice of Zazu in the 1994 animated Disney film "The Lion King", would be a decent choice for Edward in both American and British dubs of TATMR.
I would have really loved to see how we would look like in the tatmr lighting
I’d like it if he got lost on the Magic Railroad and we saw him learning about Sodor’s greatest secret.
2:08 - If Edward should be at Tidmouth Sheds!
It will feature the return of his shocked face from Season 1!
Well done Kiefer. Edward should have been in Thomas and the Magic Railroad in the first place where either Boco, Derek, Mavis, or Donald and Douglas would have taken Sir Topham Hatt and Lady Hatt. Your video just gave me an idea: you could release What If Thomas videos weekly depends on requests/ideas from your fans. In fact, I have a few ideas for your next What If videos:
1. "What If 'Thomas and Friends' was still a permanent 60FPS Clay-Faced Model Series while owned by Disney" where the show was still with 60FPS Clay-Faced Model Series, along with the CGI-Audio and Voice-Stars we heard in the CGI-Era, and show lasted forever, while never cancelled, along with images of what CGI-Characters that each didn't appear at the model one with these details:
A. Thomas and his Friends show up at Disneyworld-land
B. Many live-action Thomas and Friends Disney movies and series with these very models
- Crossovers, Christmas, Once Upon a Time: Thomas and Friends
C. Disney's Thomas and Friends: The Musical where the stars would wear identical costumes from Starlight-Express
D. Have Thomas and his Friends join Kingdom Hearts
E. Let Emily, Rebecca, Nia, Rosie, Molly, Kana, and the female characters team up with the Disney Princesses
etc.
2. "What If the upcoming Thomas and Friends movie and then Thomas and Friends finally revived could be owned by Disney"
3. "What If Thomas, representing Sodor, was the main character in Starlight Express and Starlight Express is also adapted as 60FPS Clay-Faced Model Musical Film where Thomas and the characters there voiced by many famous stars"
4. "What If 'Thomas and the Polar Express' also existed" to celebrate "The Polar Express's" 20th Anniversary
5. "What If there could a movie about Wilbert Awdry" where it would be Entitled: "The Thin Clergyman" a Coming-Of-Age Biographical Movie about Wilbert's whole life from childhood all the way to his final days with actors each resembling Wilbert through the years reenacting everything he did and then it could win the Academy Awards
Imagine if they were able to have other engines make cameos in the film.
That would be perfect.
Those are great alterations! Like everybody else, I started to question why Edward wasn't in the film. It would make much better sense for him to replace a few of Henry and Toby's scenes, also join Toby on spying on Diesel 10.
After watching the film I was like, Why is Edward not in this movie until I did some research of why he was absent from Thomas and the magic railroad and now I know why he didn't appear
Kiefer. Your explaining that if Edward had appeared in Thomas and the Magic Railroad is perfection!!! I even loved the voice actor choices you gave him for the US & UK releases. I would have loved to hear Noel Macneal voicing my favorite Number 2 engine being voiced by a Jim Henson Puppeteer!
I really wish Edward appeared in Thomas and the magic railroad
Me too.
What about other characters like Duck, Oliver, Toad, Donald, Douglas, Mavis, BoCo, Daisy, Derek, Terence, Trevor, and the narrow gauge engines Skarloey, Rheneas, Sir Handel, Peter Sam, Rusty, Duncan and Duke? Why couldn't *they* appear in TATMR?
@@ThomasLover-fr8nh I don't know. But if they appeared in the movie, I think Duck could be voiced by Ringo Starr, Donald, voiced by George Carlin, Douglas, voiced by Michael Angelis, Oliver, voiced by Peter Saills, and Duke, voiced by Christopher Lee. These are the characters with voice actors I can think of.
@@matthewsoares9880 Well how about this: what if these characters made silent cameos in the "Thomas Anthem", "Night Train", and "Really Useful Engine" numbers?
@@ThomasLover-fr8nh Good idea.
This feels like it goes without saying, Kiefer. Mainly because I'm sure you're used to hearing it. But you, my friend, are a genius.
Very well detailed Kiefer and I think it would be a good Idea if Michael Anglies voiced Edward
(BTW I'm your latest subscriber)
I really wish edward was in this movie, along with duck. I would love to see how the two would interact with diesel 10
I always thought the real reason why Edward wasn't in Thomas and the Magic Railroad was because he was at the works being fixed
Same
I thought he took the Far controller on holiday
@@Over_Aviation that is the real reason why Edward was not in the movie because he was the engine who took Sir Topham Hatt on his holiday
That would have been a good idea to see him in there.
I Bet John Bellis Would Voice Edward
I give this what if a 10 out of 10
As much as i love tatmr i think its a blessing edward wasnt in it i mean they did bring back special coal for henry... how do we know they wouldnt do anything bad to edward.. but then on the other hand they got toby right so... idk
Really like your ideas here 😉
Nice idea for edward being apart of the film.I think it would make sense for toby to share his moment with edward, considering they are 2 old but very cunning engines.
I wounder if anyone would ever try and do a fix it for Thomas and the Magic Railroad. I mean I do like the movie and thought it was alright. Didn't actually know that a lot of people didn't like it because I liked it. But I do still want to see someone do a Fix it.
Also when I wrote a sequel of sorts on my AO3. I explained where Edward was and that it was basically Sir Topham Hatt took him on Holiday. I also mention Duke and Oliver as well saying that they are working on another line. I also have Edward help in the end where he basically tells Sir Topham Hatt what Diesel 10 is doing. Basically having Sir Topham Hatt show up at the end and tell Diesel 10 off before banishing him to the Smelters Yard.
Or send him away back to the Mainland.
I have a theory Edward came with the Fat Controller to transport him on his Holiday
Awesome ideas! 💡
I Think Edward Should Have Taken Toby’s Role
3:30 it would also been awesome seeing the 2 golden oldies together in the movie
Duck Oliver Toad and the Scottish Twins should also have been in TATMRR in some way. I feel like the D10 mountain would be on The Little Western (the cliffside looks similar ngl)
I really hate that Edward was never in the movie, Edward is the reason Thomas and friends is a thing
For no one who understands what he means by in the shot where Henry passes through Knapford he's referring to the shot from the song where Henry goes past the station from the opening
He was in the Movie! In the scene where Edward popped on camera and said "Diesel 10 didn't Ju Ju on that beat", Diesel 10 then fell off the Viaduct. such an ICONIC moment.
I wonder how Edward’s whistle would have sounded in tatmr
It's not just Edward who never appeared in this.
4:10 Hold it the last we would see of Edward is in the scene where Junior and Lily see the engines by having Edward be Henry's back engine
That would be interesting if Edward was in Thomas in the Magic Railroad. What was the main reason why Edward wasn't in Thomas and the Magic Railroad? I thought they couldn't get his model complete.
if Edward did appear in Magic railroad, Wouldn't he also replace James in the scrapyard scene where Diesel 10 thunders in and Junior would be flung onto his cab roof? I personally think that would be a cool scene and it would also show a moment of Edward standing up to Diesel 10.
Well what if Edward was with James and Junior in the scrap yard? He would be protecting them from Diesel 10, saying that if he wants them, he'll have to get through him.
@@ThomasLover-fr8nh that would be cool and another thing, If Edward was in Magic railroad, Wouldn't Thomas ask him to protect the buffers instead of Percy and later go and see and find splodge there and race back to warn Thomas?
@@HenryandJamesfan That would be a nice idea, but if Mavis was also in this movie, she'd accompany Percy in protecting the buffers.
i'm finishing my first movie, based on THOMAS AND THE MAGIC RAILROAD THE DIRECTOR'S CUT and Wallace and Gromit crossed over together. Edward is called Elward for female, James is Jamesica and Percy being female, Their have been changes too. Duck 's actual name Montague to Lucy, Donald and Douglas, Oliver to Mary, Diesel to Amarlia, BoCo, Mavis and possibly Daisy and the Skarloey Railway. I think Pierce Brosnan would of made a good voice of Edward or Helena Boman Carter. Plus Emily appears in my version, plus Bear, Murdoch, Rosie, Molly, Rebecca and Nia
Yeah, too bad they didn’t have enough room time for him. That would’ve been nice. I wish all of the engines were in that movie.
Although he was not in the movie because his model was not finished in time he could of been mentioned saying he took the fat controller and lady hat on holiday
Many people like to think that Thomas And The Magic Railroad is not cannon my self included
True Edward would have been the star of the show.
I don’t know if it would have improved the film that much. Besides, the scene with Toby (the other wise engine) tricking Diesel 10 and Splodge into trapping themselves was easily the best part.
Well my version, would have involved Thomas & Edward going through the magic buffers and going to muffle mountain.
And A Other Thing It Would cool to see Lady, Thomas And Edward Being chased By Diesel 10, P.T Bommer, Along With Splatter And Dodge. And causing His Tender To Make A Big Crash, Casuing The Big Dipper, To Crumble Into Pieces & Casuing Diesel 10 To Fall Into The Barge, But For Splatter & Dodge, They Would Stop Just In Time.
Unfortunately i don't think Edward appearing in the movie wouldn't of made a difference of how terrible it ended up being, he undoubtedly would've only had a minor role like Toby speaking for only one or two small scenes at least, and the film still would've bombed regardless due to it's poor reception. Might just be my opinion... but i'm thankful Edward was spared being part of such a meandering mess that doomed the outlook of the franchise going forward.
Doesn't matter because him appearing is all that matters
Would Edward be the one to retrieve the missing coal truck after Thomas fell down Muffle Mountain? I can’t stay there for Gos knows how long.
plot twist: *edward was locked in his shed*
Hes actually a class 43 warship
Yeah I Think That Should Have Happened
1:41 I would just completely replace Henry with Edward because I think that fits Edward’s Character more than Henry’s Character in the Classic Series
I hoping to remake Thomas and the Magic Railroad, to give Edward good roles and all that.
It Bothered me Edward wasn't included in the movie when he was the one that started it all Edward was created first not Thomas that alone should have gotten him the spot.
their was actually a lot characters that were mentioned to appear in the movie but never did like George and cranky.
That would've been very much spot on.
It's really strange was is not from that 2000 movie film for Edward, he was number 2. Or maybe was very small cameo?
Great video as always!
It would've been great if Edward was in the movie that way all of the main characters from the television series will be in it.
I genuinely believe that the roles of Edward and Toby should’ve been reversed and Edward should’ve taken Toby’s role in Tatmr. Since Edward was a more prominent main character in the Alcroft era than Toby with 10 starring episodes while Toby had 9 starring episodes (I don’t consider Thomas In Trouble/Thomas Breaks The Rules a Toby starring episode, but the ttte wiki says it is so that’s why I’m counting it) and Edward is also a lot more important than Toby since Edward is the reason why the railway series and the franchise even exists. I think the reason why Britt Alcroft and David Mitton put Toby in Tatmr and not Edward despite Edward being the 6th boy while Toby is only the 7th is because they did more with Toby in season 5 than Edward since Toby had 2 starring episodes while Edward had none. I do genuinely believe that if Percy was female instead of male (but still have her be named Percy) then Edward would’ve appeared in Tatmr instead of Toby since Edward would’ve had 2 starring episodes in season 5 with Edward, Percy, And Old Slow Coach and Edward’s Good Luck Package since he would’ve been the 5th boy instead of the 6th. Because think about it, Gordon and Henry are the 4th and 5th boys and they appeared in Tatmr so the same would’ve been the case for Edward if Percy was a girl and they would’ve simply had given Edward Toby’s role as the old and wise father figure to the other engines. Edward would’ve had Toby’s voice actor and he would sounded the same as Toby. But do to how much David Mitton and Britt Alcroft loved Toby they would’ve given Toby a mention at the beginning of the movie saying that he took Sir Topham Hatt on holiday thus explaining why Toby would not be in the movie. I really wish we could live in that alternate timeline as I always felt sad that Edward was not in Tatmr, but he would’ve if Percy was a girl.
I like this but I think toby should of had his own moment with diesel 10 but other then that it was good
If he appeared in the movie Edward would be voiced by Tara Strong in TATMR It would work so well
It really baffles me that Edward was excluded from this filn