I would love to hear from Heather again. These interviews were so insightful. I can't help but think Chad couldn't bear to have her there during the trial and listing her as a potential witness was a way to keep her out and slienced. She saw through him from the very start.
Im glad Heather spoke out on the Daybell side. It's really sad though that not one of Tammy's kids has called out Chad and taken a stand for their mother. Instead they defend their Dad who in a text to Lori described his life with his own family as like having to live under the stairs with the Dudley's.
All who knew the family and worked with Tammy knew the truth of who she was. His lies fell on deaf ears. He’s petty and resentful of her obviously. It only made him more suspicious and disliked in those communities. It should have raised big red flags and alarms in the children’s minds knowing well who their mother was. The family cognitive dissonance is next level! How embarrassing to just sit there listening to his lies about their mother. He could claim the sun was shining when it was raining and they would believe him. They’ve been brainwashed and conditioned to obey and not question the male authority of their father and church leaders since birth.
Chad totally triangulated everyone so they wouldn’t like Tammy. And I’m sure he made sure Tammy didn’t like them by telling lies. I’ve had that happen to me by a narcissist spouse. It is awful and so hurtful when you finally see what your spouse is doing. How your relationship with them was all about manipulation. How a narcissist replaces you like you’re an old toaster and of no value. Chad proved that at Tammy’s funeral. A narcissist doesn’t truly love anyone except themselves.
Yes I've followed this case since the beginning when the kids were missing. Watched all the interviews and litigation. I think you're exactly right. Chad the misogynist appeared to be exactly that. Even gaslit Tammy about it being a "paintball gun". He's beyond creepy.
@@theShamrockShepherdWagon True, I think it was Chad that said it was a paintball gun first. I think her religion made it difficult for her to consider divorce (if she ever realized how toxic her marriage to Chad was). Luckily, I was able to get out of mine. 🙄
I too was in a narcissistic marriage . I don't believe these people even love themselves. They loath themselves. But mask it with this huge fragile ego
Everything is summed up real quick about chad and his attitude toward women; when he stood up at his wife's funeral telling everyone Tammy was difficult to live with. My god!
@@teresacorrigan3076he said she was lazy too. Even though she was the only one that worked and did all the housework. He also said she had depression like it was a fault he found in her.
What he said in his Eulogy that Tammy was hard to live with and was lazy was actually himself he was describing. There is more that has been revealed by another podcast investigor. When he was young he liked killing bees and bragged about it. He also wrote when he was young black murder essays and of course as an adult dug graves. etc.
He believed he had figured a way to be ‘god’ and take whatever and whenever… it would have only grown in intensity as money ran out. Drugs had to have been a part, serious. And a couple bags.
Heather Daybell is such a wonderful human. She did so well on the stand today. And I loved listening to these interviews you did with her. I so admire her courage to speak up when she knew something was wrong and I really admire how she chose her love of her son over what doctrine said about his orientation. I can't say enough good things about this person and I just wish all good things for her and her family.
I’m beginning to think Tammy bought everything he said. He was that controlling and her relationship with him was not an equal one…he dominated it and actually showed no respect to her. Explains why the kids act like they are…
Lauren, I’m glad you shared these again! I just rewatched them all last week. Heather is amazing, smart, strong and beautiful! Her thoughts and feelings were spot on.
Can the website with pictures of the house still be accessed? I’m obsessed with idea now that Alex and Chad killed Tammy in the loft and then moved the body and staged her in the marital bedroom. I don’t believe they had been sleeping in the same bed for years. His disdain was on display for everyone as he insulted her at her own funeral.
Heather, thank you for your strength, courage, and sharing your personal “discernment of spirit”! YOU had that feeling that something(s) wasn’t right. Bless you. Also, welcome aboard with those of us who have left. Freedom reigns❤
The Daybell boys all saying they had happy childhoods - of course they had. They were sons of the patriarchal family. They weren't under pressure to conform the way daughters would be - they didn't even know they treated their mother like shit until told by someone else. Of course they didn't see the "signs". They were close to their dad, because that's where the power in the family was and they shared into that power. Which makes me think of Alex Cox's brother saying there was no abuse in the family concerning Lorie. If she was abused by their father - he'd never know. This is the horror of parental abuse, most of the time the closest family won't know.
When people look into this case in the future, this interview will be one of the more essential references due to the unique context that Heather Daybell provides.
I absolutely adore this woman. I love the fact that she stood by her son and continued to push for women’s rights. I enjoyed part two of that last interview, but you’re so go and I think she is a fantastic woman and her outspoken. This is what we need in our society.
Ugh I can’t imagine the vindication she must have felt when everything came out, considering she never got a good vibe from him. What a mess :/ victims everywhere. She has phenomenal intuition. Sidenote, John having a sense of humor in this interview was 👌🏼 so professional
I wish Chad and Lori could see this and many other interviews. Maybe they would realise that they had very little support for their craziness. Narcissist hate being called out and completely wrong
I do agree that these interviews are the most valuable and eye opening. If anyone wants to know the interesting family dynamics, this is the person to tell it. So glad that Matt chose her. She is a strong woman and she is able to stand up for the truth.
Crock of … Heather is right on target. People who claim this super natural access to seeing God, visions and near death experiences. Is a way to draw attention to themselves. They are almost trying to line themselves as equal to God. This religious non sense sells books and creates fame in the worst way possible. Killing so many good and innocent people. When I think of Tammy, Charles and those precious children that they destroyed. It is heartbreaking! Thank you Lauren and Dr John for doing this interview with Heather several years back. And now it is still so pertinent!
I’ll forgive Hildegard Von Bingen. For a woman in that time you may have had to say you had access to god for people to listen to you 😂 but I do believe some people have some psychological or physiological issues that can make them convinced they see God…and not to mention more ancient communications with God (even in the Abrahamic religions) were usually accompanied by psychedelic substances. Chad isn’t cool enough to have lost his ego and felt empathy for the first time by doing shrooms during a lost and found summer though. He is one of the many who use their “communications” with the “divine” as a way to gain power over others.
What a wonderful interview, can't wait to watch part 2. I feel so bad for all the family with the same last name, especially all the kids. Has to be incredibly difficult. I totally get Heather's need for their own space. I would have felt the same way!
1:51:21 Walter Mitty The character's name has come into more general use to refer to an ineffectual dreamer and appears in several dictionaries. The American Heritage Dictionary defines a Walter Mitty as "an ordinary, often ineffectual person who indulges in fantastic daydreams of personal triumphs".
Woot woot! I love me some Heather Daybell❣️❣️Heather is a truth (with a lower case t) machine! I wish you could use Bob Marley’s “Stir It Up” as her theme song. #stiritupHeather
Coming back to hear this again, I’m wondering if Chad moving to Rexburg was more about people would associate him with the one successful book he published thinking it would boost sales of his crappy books & that people would have a high opinion of him ?
Just listened to Heathers testimony. Hearing Chad say Tammy had put on 40 kilos was disgusting. I think Chad is smarter then we think. I think he moved his family there with the intent if eventually killing Tammy. I think this went back to when he said she was going to die before she was 50. Maybe Tammy didnt believe everything he said. Maybe he knew the coroners dont have special training there.
As far as Tammy is concerned, dead people don't roll out of bed by the way. They said she had been dead long enough for lividity to set in, so how THEN, does she roll out of bed after that? Chad is full of it.
What earthquake did Julie Rowe predict to happen in the year of this interview? There are earthquakes all the time around the world, most minor, some major. What's the big deal?
Maybe it’s because I’m 62 but good grief the chirons (sp?) on the bottom of the screen run so fast I can barely finish reading them before they skip to the next one! I just had to ask - anyone else?
You guys remove comments that have mild criticism. I only mentioned that it's odd that if Heather was not a fan of Chad why he would be over showing their property to JR gives the impression they were more in line with Chad then they want others to know. As I watched further I had a different take and wanted to make a caviat but my comment was gone. I did not disparage anyone. One would think a channel with a clinical psychiatrist would allow critical thinking within a respectful frame. Isn't that the lesson we need to take from this case. That taking the easy road of being polite and not making waves when you see things can be dangerous. It's better to empower yourself and say something. I think it's fairly easy to say if someone would have been strong enough to take a stand against Lori a long time ago many lives could have been saved. I do not think Heather could have affected that and I do think that she was outspoken and is prob the reason she was not close to Chad
I think Chad was jealousl of his brother and his beautiful wife Heather, shes a strong vocal woman and Tami probably just went with the flow 😢 i think Chad was board with his life
It appears that Chad’s scale of dark and light was actually the reverse of the truth. Everyone he marked as Dark was actually Light. I am hopeful that the Jurors will understand his madness, and give Justice to those he chose to wipe away. Thank you Dr. John, Lauren, and Guest Heather. ⚖️🪦🪦🪦🙏🏻☮️
Me too. Lori expected Chad to work and take care of her and Chad expected Lori to work and take care of him. However, neither of them wanted to have jobs. Their marriage would have lasted until the life insurance ran out. Then it would've been a competition to see who could murder whom first for another life insurance payout.
This jyst goes to show that it was Chad who brainwashed Lori and Alex. They should have brought all this up , Chads beliefs way before he met Lori. I wish we knew whos decision it was to bury the kids on his property . Considering he was saying the property was instrumental in what was going to happen. I wonder if he told lori and alex put the kids there
Don’t you all think Chad was predicting COVID when he was talking about the end or doomsday? Just thinking guys….And maybe he also saw Japan earthquakes and lost the message?
Narcissism is manipulation for the most part. The level of judgment coupled with a complete lack empathy and responsibility is perplexing. How do you square the actions in the name of Jesus? The defense is I had to do it but, I am not responsible for killing anyone.
Love your update and thank you both.pls can you answer the other and me ..if you look good in Tami room it's furniture on both side how she didn't bump her head or arms?? And I think Chad did help Alex to kill her, you need Two ppl one to hold her down and one to kill her? Where was Chad phone ?between one and two am when she dies? The bruises show she has been hold down, no ? I am From U.K pls answer me some Q .. I love your program, and maybe you can pass it to the experts? So a lot of red flags!! My q are why the police didn't take the fingerprint around Chad house in and out and in Tammy room on her MED and laptop? He said he is so happy to have all her passwords, so maybe he sends the e. Mails to his son Mark? Its still time to go and found fingerprints of Alex in his house nears her window of her room or front door, i think someone from the police should check it no ? Pls help me with answer if you know? Other BIG Q how the police let Alex go with the shooting of Charles?I bet Tilly knew what really happened in the room and JJ and Lori its the one that shout him ..and cos of that they need to get rid of the children! And Emma must now abut her mum dead, she just wants the money from her dad!! The FBI need to go back and take again fingerprints of the house and check everything again ! Poor his son that need to lie its time these children say the true and only the truth if the love their mum and believe in god ! How its take Chad and his son to call after 4 or 5 hours to call the police ? Maybe enough time to stage the room with all Med oils etc .. That never been check for fingers prints or if the Coroner finds it in her body and what time her son gave her Burger ? if he just comes back home after work around 1 am ? so a lots of lies and Q ??
Chad is an awful human being Heather is a strong woman and loving mom. I will say that a lot of this stuff sounds like family drama and I’m surprised how much gossiping there was within their religious organization
I watched this interview when it first came out. Watching it again, I see how hard this was for Heather. She took so many risks doing this. What a brave, strong woman who also knows how to keep quiet when needed. It's such a hard balance to achieve. I admire the way she has handled this so much.
Extreme class and utmost integrity- but most importantly, a devoted, compassionate, loyal mother, and wife... So many ppl DONT choose love & don’t choose their children, and I admire ALL of that abt her. And good on them for staying in their home that THEY made & love. Good on them for speaking up. May they find solace & peace as more time goes by.❤️
I’m also listening to this for the second time and you’re so right. If any Daybell should write a book..it’s Heather. No wonder why Tami was depressed I would be too.
Weird sidebar thought.... as we have learnt CD was very adept at 'acquiring' or as i say, plagiarising other stories, concepts or archaic historical info to fit his insatiable desire for being lauded ( special, important, revered, worshipped.... pick a version). I'm thinking he was incredibly envious of Matt, his brother. He covetted Matt's life, his success, his charm and.... his beautiful intelligent vivacious wife. When LV appeared and fangirled and flirted with him, some part of him felt he'd met his 'Heather' and could become elevated amongst his peers and followers. He had 'arrived'. ( Sorry Heather).... hear me out, we've recently learnt through testimony how much CD disparaged Tammy including at her funeral and is egging on his lawyer to portray Tammy as physically less than LV. My point is that CD is comfortable comparing the physical comparisons and perhaps the personalities- mostly the superficial - between Tammy and LV. i think he had arm candy in LV that elevated him ( in his mind) comparable with his brother Matt and Matt's beautiful wife.
I think Tammy was also beautiful, talented, etc but when you’re married to a narcissist they gaslight you and put you down constantly. It is overwhelming, especially when you’re trying to raise 5 kids, support the family (like Tammy was) and be a good LDS wife. And a narcissist is always competing with their spouse. That’s why Chad spoke poorly of Tammy at her funeral. He had to be the center of attention, he had to be a victim and he had to be better than Tammy. I’m sure he hated hearing anything nice about her. Living with someone like that depletes you of the sparkle and zest for life you may have once had. Been there, done that.
Tammy was absolutely beautiful. And I think the poster here doesn’t mean to say otherwise. I mean this non offensively, but they use that photo of her a lot in the bathroom with the short haircut, and I think it’s the least flattering. I’ve seen some truly gorgeous photos of her they should use more often. That said, Lori and Tammy are very different in beauty. And I think he wanted the opposite of Tammy.
Chad disliked anyone who saw through his bull shite and likely dared to call him out. I’m sure he claimed they were all D-4 and above. People like his mother, Tammy and Tylee.
That is one strong lady ! Can’t imagine how tough it must have been ,living inside this craziness . Hats off to her and her remarkable integrity and wisdom .
Heather is such a beautiful soul - inside and out. I remember how Heather repeated Chad said Lori was “hot and loaded.” Yep, she was loaded with BS and feeling heat from the police asking where her kids were.
There is electricity in that home addition, garage lights and all. Is Prior trying to say the family used the room went without lights? Even if they only used heavy duty extensions, there was access to power. He lied to the court….not “the whole truth”’
Yep, Prior is NOT a very honest man. He is attempting to create his own narrative not based on fact, and he is trying very hard. He will not be successful.
Poor Tammy she prayed about moving to the new house ? the answer to her prayers was this is the house she suppose to be ,same one where she lost her life .
Sweet beautiful Lauren and Dr. Babe you have done so much to open this horrific case up to the rest of the world who deeply cares! Heather seems both kind and the type of woman that has been forged in fire. God Bless Her! So many people out here have been able to follow along, greave these victims and pray for justice through your work. Thank you. 🙏
Agreed 100, live comments should really be limited to live streams only; they are super disruptive, especially when they are as large as they are here. If you zoom in a bit on the video, you can crop them out of view. Unwatchable otherwise 😂
There’s a lot of vocabulary associated with the LDS organization, wow. Thanks Lauren for clarifying some of that in chunks. I’m guessing serving for free because it’s a service to God? It’s a “good work”? It seems like a lot to be doing for free. You be that stake leader and you still have to find time to get home and get the garbage to the curb on time. (Okay, the last part was snarky). It seems like there’s a lot to the LDS body of believers and the people who are called to be leaders must be amazing people. I’m overwhelmed by the amount of responsibility put on them. This interview is very informative and troubling at the same time.
Some people find this sort of thing to be exhilarating, others like the social power involved. One thing is for certain, you’ll always have someone willing to help the stake leader out - inside and outside the church
I GET IT HEATHER. I grew up in LDS church and have a very similar case of being called the pot-stirrer as I spoke up when things were off. My brother (who is a police officer) always kept his true feelings and thoughts to himself. Called it ‘wearing a mask’. He married a controlling, fanatical Baptist woman, had six kids, believes in demon possession LITERALLY, and raised the kids by emulating Bill Gothard’s teachings (ie:the Duggars’ religion). They have spiritually, emotionally and physically abused their kids, and pushed me and my kids away as we let theirs know they were not the reason their parents mistreated them. Narcissists don’t like when you call them out. Add extra mental illness like delusions and rage problems and you get a very sad, scary problem that destroys families. It has caused a schism in ours. I would love to be close to them, but it is impossible. They see anyone who doesn’t follow their exact way of believing as misled, and they see me as ‘ungodly’. Fortunately, my one niece who has also been called the pot-stirrer (because she’s ‘just like her aunt B’) does have a close relationship with us, but suffers their belittling judgments. Only a month ago my only nephew (the youngest) believed he was possessed by demons and my brother and his wife proceeded to try to cast them out or get a pastor who could. I just STILL cannot believe that in 2024, this still goes on and especially to people I personally know. It’s all so insane. They too believe the end times are near and have become more and more obsessed. It’s awful. A few years back he decided he wanted to leave his abusive, isolating wife …for our cousin’s wife. His wife found out and he threw my mom and me under the bus because he told us. First he made it that we encouraged him to leave her. Then they brought their pastor and church members over to grill him WITH THE KIDS PRESENT at which point he changed to the tactic of saying a demon that looked like a giant pill bug wrapped around his head made him do it. Accountability? ZERO. To this day, he is with his wife. I can’t tell who is more psychotic. Mental illness is a sad thing and I should feel empathy towards them, but it is difficult when they’ve cast such hypocritical judgement on us. All this to say I FEEL FOR AND ADMIRE HEATHER. I am lucky there have been no murders in our situation, but it scares me to wonder what could happen. I am also luckier in that we don’t live anywhere near each other or have the same circle of acquaintances. Still, it’s awful that I can’t have a relationship with my brother, my kids can’t have one with their uncle, and my mom is put in between because of all this. It’s heart-wrenching. STAY STRONG HEATHER. YOU ARE ADMIRED.
I can't imagine how difficult it was for Heather and her family living down the road from Chad. Always fearful of what he could be saying to neighbours and telling lies, to discredit her. Just shows how powerful these 'nut job believers' can be. Terrifying.
I would love to hear from Heather again. These interviews were so insightful. I can't help but think Chad couldn't bear to have her there during the trial and listing her as a potential witness was a way to keep her out and slienced. She saw through him from the very start.
She was dismissed and has now been vindicated, but at a huge price to those who were Chud's victims.
Heather will get her reward when she sees Chad go to prison for the rest of his life. She who laughs last laughs longest.
Im glad Heather spoke out on the Daybell side. It's really sad though that not one of Tammy's kids has called out Chad and taken a stand for their mother. Instead they defend their Dad who in a text to Lori described his life with his own family as like having to live under the stairs with the Dudley's.
All who knew the family and worked with Tammy knew the truth of who she was. His lies fell on deaf ears. He’s petty and resentful of her obviously. It only made him more suspicious and disliked in those communities. It should have raised big red flags and alarms in the children’s minds knowing well who their mother was. The family cognitive dissonance is next level! How embarrassing to just sit there listening to his lies about their mother. He could claim the sun was shining when it was raining and they would believe him. They’ve been brainwashed and conditioned to obey and not question the male authority of their father and church leaders since birth.
I love it when the black sheep of the family is right! Which is most of the time….
Yup 👍
Chad totally triangulated everyone so they wouldn’t like Tammy. And I’m sure he made sure Tammy didn’t like them by telling lies.
I’ve had that happen to me by a narcissist spouse. It is awful and so hurtful when you finally see what your spouse is doing. How your relationship with them was all about manipulation. How a narcissist replaces you like you’re an old toaster and of no value. Chad proved that at Tammy’s funeral. A narcissist doesn’t truly love anyone except themselves.
Yes I've followed this case since the beginning when the kids were missing. Watched all the interviews and litigation. I think you're exactly right. Chad the misogynist appeared to be exactly that. Even gaslit Tammy about it being a "paintball gun". He's beyond creepy.
@@theShamrockShepherdWagon True, I think it was Chad that said it was a paintball gun first. I think her religion made it difficult for her to consider divorce (if she ever realized how toxic her marriage to Chad was). Luckily, I was able to get out of mine. 🙄
You nailed it. Narcissists don’t love. They use.
I too was in a narcissistic marriage . I don't believe these people even love themselves. They loath themselves. But mask it with this huge fragile ego
Everything is summed up real quick about chad and his attitude toward women; when he stood up at his wife's funeral telling everyone Tammy was difficult to live with. My god!
I didn’t know that. He was a jerk but looks like a teddy bear type
@@teresacorrigan3076he said she was lazy too. Even though she was the only one that worked and did all the housework. He also said she had depression like it was a fault he found in her.
He sounds like a horrible husband. No wonder she suffered from depression.
@@bethnorrod5942 words fail me. Except poor Tammy. She was way too good for him. At her funeral! Oh
What he said in his Eulogy that Tammy was hard to live with and was lazy was actually himself he was describing. There is more that has been revealed by another podcast investigor. When he was young he liked killing bees and bragged about it. He also wrote when he was young black murder essays and of course as an adult dug graves. etc.
So pleased we are revisiting this. Now we understand more about the serial killer Slug.
Heather dear, you are so loved. Thank you for being brave and speaking out. One of the best interviews @Lauren and John!!
Sounds like Chad wanted HER house.
I read on another site the speculation that the 70 acres showed to David Warwick was their 70 acres. It wasn't for sale, though.
100%
He believed he had figured a way to be ‘god’ and take whatever and whenever… it would have only grown in intensity as money ran out. Drugs had to have been a part, serious. And a couple bags.
Heather Daybell is such a wonderful human. She did so well on the stand today. And I loved listening to these interviews you did with her. I so admire her courage to speak up when she knew something was wrong and I really admire how she chose her love of her son over what doctrine said about his orientation. I can't say enough good things about this person and I just wish all good things for her and her family.
Wow. Thanks to Heather for her in-depth look at a very complex family dynamic.
Tammy must’ve fought with incredible heartache ! It’s so sad ❤
I’m beginning to think Tammy bought everything he said. He was that controlling and her relationship with him was not an equal one…he dominated it and actually showed no respect to her. Explains why the kids act like they are…
Burses in multiple places happen when a victim tries to escape and is dragged back by the killer.
Heather Daybell is so brave.
Lauren, I’m glad you shared these again! I just rewatched them all last week. Heather is amazing, smart, strong and beautiful! Her thoughts and feelings were spot on.
Can the website with pictures of the house still be accessed? I’m obsessed with idea now that Alex and Chad killed Tammy in the loft and then moved the body and staged her in the marital bedroom. I don’t believe they had been sleeping in the same bed for years. His disdain was on display for everyone as he insulted her at her own funeral.
I just realized that thumbnail has a new photo of Lauren and Heather! You both look wonderful...
I noticed that too! Gorgeous ❤😊
Gorgeous women inside and out.
Heather is absolutely stunning and I love her personality and how honest she is but protective at the same time.
I hope Heather and her family are all doing well . This interview is brave and I admire Heather so much for speaking about these things.
Heather, thank you for your strength, courage, and sharing your personal “discernment of spirit”! YOU had that feeling that something(s) wasn’t right. Bless you. Also, welcome aboard with those of us who have left. Freedom reigns❤
The Daybell boys all saying they had happy childhoods - of course they had. They were sons of the patriarchal family. They weren't under pressure to conform the way daughters would be - they didn't even know they treated their mother like shit until told by someone else. Of course they didn't see the "signs". They were close to their dad, because that's where the power in the family was and they shared into that power.
Which makes me think of Alex Cox's brother saying there was no abuse in the family concerning Lorie. If she was abused by their father - he'd never know. This is the horror of parental abuse, most of the time the closest family won't know.
When people look into this case in the future, this interview will be one of the more essential references due to the unique context that Heather Daybell provides.
Darn! I thought this was a new interview! But I very much enjoyed this one!
Not a new interview but an interview heard with new informed ears.
Heather is under subpoena right now. She will likely testify and I can’t wait.
1:10:28 Wow! Chad gaslit his family about who Tammy really was. So sad. Tammy deserved more. 😢
The thing I love about heather and Matt is they are well grounded in the real world of life,knowing right from wrong!
Chad was simply taking Joseph Smith’s playbook. Saw Rowe’s success ..
When his mother was testifying I could tell she had no words of her own..wow wasted life
I absolutely adore this woman. I love the fact that she stood by her son and continued to push for women’s rights. I enjoyed part two of that last interview, but you’re so go and I think she is a fantastic woman and her outspoken. This is what we need in our society.
So far, mr. predictor chad has been wrong about a whole lot of things, now including who his brother Matt shouldn't marry.
Ugh I can’t imagine the vindication she must have felt when everything came out, considering she never got a good vibe from him. What a mess :/ victims everywhere. She has phenomenal intuition.
Sidenote, John having a sense of humor in this interview was 👌🏼 so professional
I'd just call it common sense and intelligence.
@@lynneserman6054 not too common in her community unfortunately
I listened to these on podcast again. Amazing insight
I wish Chad and Lori could see this and many other interviews. Maybe they would realise that they had very little support for their craziness. Narcissist hate being called out and completely wrong
Thanks so much to the three of you! I’ll be waiting for the next part.
I do agree that these interviews are the most valuable and eye opening. If anyone wants to know the interesting family dynamics, this is the person to tell it.
So glad that Matt chose her. She is a strong woman and she is able to stand up for the truth.
Crock of … Heather is right on target. People who claim this super natural access to seeing God, visions and near death experiences. Is a way to draw attention to themselves. They are almost trying to line themselves as equal to God. This religious non sense sells books and creates fame in the worst way possible. Killing so many good and innocent people. When I think of Tammy, Charles and those precious children that they destroyed. It is heartbreaking! Thank you Lauren and Dr John for doing this interview with Heather several years back. And now it is still so pertinent!
I’ll forgive Hildegard Von Bingen. For a woman in that time you may have had to say you had access to god for people to listen to you 😂 but I do believe some people have some psychological or physiological issues that can make them convinced they see God…and not to mention more ancient communications with God (even in the Abrahamic religions) were usually accompanied by psychedelic substances.
Chad isn’t cool enough to have lost his ego and felt empathy for the first time by doing shrooms during a lost and found summer though. He is one of the many who use their “communications” with the “divine” as a way to gain power over others.
From one who knows, I’m so happy to hear this brave woman has left the cult aspect of her beliefs. So sick, glad she’s out and blessings. 🙏
What a wonderful interview, can't wait to watch part 2. I feel so bad for all the family with the same last name, especially all the kids. Has to be incredibly difficult.
I totally get Heather's need for their own space. I would have felt the same way!
1:51:21 Walter Mitty The character's name has come into more general use to refer to an ineffectual dreamer and appears in several dictionaries. The American Heritage Dictionary defines a Walter Mitty as "an ordinary, often ineffectual person who indulges in fantastic daydreams of personal triumphs".
This was a great interview with Heather DAYBELL! Thanks Heather for doing this interview! From AKRON, OHIO ❤😊
Woot woot! I love me some Heather Daybell❣️❣️Heather is a truth (with a lower case t) machine! I wish you could use Bob Marley’s “Stir It Up” as her theme song. #stiritupHeather
Poor Tammy dang long suffering omg
Very strong and impressive testimony today from Heather Daybell. You could see Pryor slowly realising the big mistake he made to subpoena her,
Coming back to hear this again, I’m wondering if Chad moving to Rexburg was more about people would associate him with the one successful book he published thinking it would boost sales of his crappy books & that people would have a high opinion of him ?
Just listened to Heathers testimony. Hearing Chad say Tammy had put on 40 kilos was disgusting. I think Chad is smarter then we think. I think he moved his family there with the intent if eventually killing Tammy. I think this went back to when he said she was going to die before she was 50. Maybe Tammy didnt believe everything he said. Maybe he knew the coroners dont have special training there.
I listen to ger interviews frequently
She is Gorgeous💜
As far as Tammy is concerned, dead people don't roll out of bed by the way. They said she had been dead long enough for lividity to set in, so how THEN, does she roll out of bed after that? Chad is full of it.
What earthquake did Julie Rowe predict to happen in the year of this interview? There are earthquakes all the time around the world, most minor, some major. What's the big deal?
Mrs. Heather Daybell is gorgeous! Beautiful! Smart, intelligent lady !
Maybe it’s because I’m 62 but good grief the chirons (sp?) on the bottom of the screen run so fast I can barely finish reading them before they skip to the next one! I just had to ask - anyone else?
Check the live chat replay, if you slide the comment bar to the left, you can read what people were posting in the live chat.
I find them annoying constantly flashing up on the bottom of the screen. They interrupt my focus on the interview.
@@KarenTimbrooki just zoom in slightly while I'm watching so they are mostly off
@@lisedale6767 Thank you, that would be a good idea but I watch on my big screen TV & am unable to do that there.
You guys remove comments that have mild criticism. I only mentioned that it's odd that if Heather was not a fan of Chad why he would be over showing their property to JR gives the impression they were more in line with Chad then they want others to know. As I watched further I had a different take and wanted to make a caviat but my comment was gone. I did not disparage anyone. One would think a channel with a clinical psychiatrist would allow critical thinking within a respectful frame.
Isn't that the lesson we need to take from this case. That taking the easy road of being polite and not making waves when you see things can be dangerous. It's better to empower yourself and say something. I think it's fairly easy to say if someone would have been strong enough to take a stand against Lori a long time ago many lives could have been saved. I do not think Heather could have affected that and I do think that she was outspoken and is prob the reason she was not close to Chad
I think Chad was jealousl of his brother and his beautiful wife Heather, shes a strong vocal woman and Tami probably just went with the flow 😢 i think Chad was board with his life
Wow you look so different Lauren . 😊Your life has become alt different I think since then .Congrats success is a wonderful thing❤
@Hidden True Crime, you may have got this figured out by now, but every time you touch the mic stand, it comes through very loud. Thanks!
Chad heard demons, perhaps it was more. That he listened to demons
Heather looks a lot like Lori Daybell. Maybe Chad wanted what his brother had and that’s why he wanted Lori
The only resemblance I see is the hair. Long hair. Other than that, they don't look similar at all.
I truly believe Chad was trying to step up to his brother. Seems like a lot of sibling rivalry. I think she looks like her,strong personality
I don’t see that at all. They’re just both older white women and that’s about it.
You are a strong woman.
It appears that Chad’s scale of dark and light was actually the reverse of the truth.
Everyone he marked as Dark was actually Light.
I am hopeful that the Jurors will understand his madness, and give Justice to those he chose to wipe away.
Thank you Dr. John, Lauren, and Guest Heather.
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I agree with her, I never thought Chode believed any of this stuff. He knew he was lying, so, of course, he didn’t believe it.
I bet he woulld have been found not guilty of Tammy's murder if she was cremated instead.
16:31 its the quiet ones you have to look out for.
I wonder how long &would've stayed married if they'd have been able to stay together. I doubt it would've lasted long.
Me too. Lori expected Chad to work and take care of her and Chad expected Lori to work and take care of him. However, neither of them wanted to have jobs. Their marriage would have lasted until the life insurance ran out. Then it would've been a competition to see who could murder whom first for another life insurance payout.
@@snowwhite2524Exactly! I agree with you 💯
Heather's my gal..... chad's writing skills are awful.
This jyst goes to show that it was Chad who brainwashed Lori and Alex. They should have brought all this up , Chads beliefs way before he met Lori. I wish we knew whos decision it was to bury the kids on his property . Considering he was saying the property was instrumental in what was going to happen. I wonder if he told lori and alex put the kids there
I'm a Dr of divinity and BA in theology I specialize in religions false of the world
Wish the audio was a bit clearer 😬
23:56 I have to say that my kids take the garbage out and the recycle and my husband was the lawn I do not do this
Don’t you all think Chad was predicting COVID when he was talking about the end or doomsday? Just thinking guys….And maybe he also saw Japan earthquakes and lost the message?
I doubt Lori would ever compete with being number two wife!
Yeah narcissist men do not like strong women.🙏♥️🇺🇸
Narcissism is manipulation for the most part. The level of judgment coupled with a complete lack empathy and responsibility is perplexing. How do you square the actions in the name of Jesus? The defense is I had to do it but, I am not responsible for killing anyone.
Did he ask you for Lori's bail $$?
Problem solved heather thank god
Your using the same music from STS Nation😮
Love your update and thank you both.pls can you answer the other and me ..if you look good in Tami room it's furniture on both side how she didn't bump her head or arms?? And I think Chad did help Alex to kill her, you need Two ppl one to hold her down and one to kill her? Where was Chad phone ?between one and two am when she dies? The bruises show she has been hold down, no ? I am From U.K pls answer me some Q .. I love your program, and maybe you can pass it to the experts? So a lot of red flags!! My q are why the police didn't take the fingerprint around Chad house in and out and in Tammy room on her MED and laptop? He said he is so happy to have all her passwords, so maybe he sends the e. Mails to his son Mark? Its still time to go and found fingerprints of Alex in his house nears her window of her room or front door, i think someone from the police should check it no ? Pls help me with answer if you know? Other BIG Q how the police let Alex go with the shooting of Charles?I bet Tilly knew what really happened in the room and JJ and Lori its the one that shout him ..and cos of that they need to get rid of the children! And Emma must now abut her mum dead, she just wants the money from her dad!! The FBI need to go back and take again fingerprints of the house and check everything again ! Poor his son that need to lie its time these children say the true and only the truth if the love their mum and believe in god ! How its take Chad and his son to call after 4 or 5 hours to call the police ? Maybe enough time to stage the room with all Med oils etc .. That never been check for fingers prints or if the Coroner finds it in her body and what time her son gave her Burger ? if he just comes back home after work around 1 am ? so a lots of lies and Q ??
Who has the righr to say where anyone moves to. We live in America and its clear the enjoyment out of attention
Chad is an awful human being Heather is a strong woman and loving mom. I will say that a lot of this stuff sounds like family drama and I’m surprised how much gossiping there was within their religious organization
Woman are seen as only an object to him for using
Chad hates strong woman
Pretty old
I find Dr. is very insecure! Bad speaker!
I watched this interview when it first came out. Watching it again, I see how hard this was for Heather. She took so many risks doing this. What a brave, strong woman who also knows how to keep quiet when needed. It's such a hard balance to achieve. I admire the way she has handled this so much.
What a beautiful & Strong woman! I'm grateful for her strength! You know it took a lot!!!! 🩷
Extreme class and utmost integrity- but most importantly, a devoted, compassionate, loyal mother, and wife... So many ppl DONT choose love & don’t choose their children, and I admire ALL of that abt her.
And good on them for staying in their home that THEY made & love. Good on them for speaking up. May they find solace & peace as more time goes by.❤️
I’m also listening to this for the second time and you’re so right. If any Daybell should write a book..it’s Heather. No wonder why Tami was depressed I would be too.
Chad deliberately distanced people from Heather, he lies so much. Gaslighting is his “gift “
Heather is true blue - balanced, insighful & deeply intelligent. Bless her for her courage & honesty.
Weird sidebar thought.... as we have learnt CD was very adept at 'acquiring' or as i say, plagiarising other stories, concepts or archaic historical info to fit his insatiable desire for being lauded ( special, important, revered, worshipped.... pick a version).
I'm thinking he was incredibly envious of Matt, his brother. He covetted Matt's life, his success, his charm and.... his beautiful intelligent vivacious wife. When LV appeared and fangirled and flirted with him, some part of him felt he'd met his 'Heather' and could become elevated amongst his peers and followers. He had 'arrived'.
( Sorry Heather).... hear me out, we've recently learnt through testimony how much CD disparaged Tammy including at her funeral and is egging on his lawyer to portray Tammy as physically less than LV. My point is that CD is comfortable comparing the physical comparisons and perhaps the personalities- mostly the superficial - between Tammy and LV.
i think he had arm candy in LV that elevated him ( in his mind) comparable with his brother Matt and Matt's beautiful wife.
I think Tammy was also beautiful, talented, etc but when you’re married to a narcissist they gaslight you and put you down constantly. It is overwhelming, especially when you’re trying to raise 5 kids, support the family (like Tammy was) and be a good LDS wife. And a narcissist is always competing with their spouse. That’s why Chad spoke poorly of Tammy at her funeral. He had to be the center of attention, he had to be a victim and he had to be better than Tammy. I’m sure he hated hearing anything nice about her. Living with someone like that depletes you of the sparkle and zest for life you may have once had. Been there, done that.
I think you’re on to something here!
Tammy was absolutely beautiful. And I think the poster here doesn’t mean to say otherwise. I mean this non offensively, but they use that photo of her a lot in the bathroom with the short haircut, and I think it’s the least flattering. I’ve seen some truly gorgeous photos of her they should use more often.
That said, Lori and Tammy are very different in beauty. And I think he wanted the opposite of Tammy.
@@NewMe-iq5os Yes agree .
Chad disliked anyone who saw through his bull shite and likely dared to call him out. I’m sure he claimed they were all D-4 and above. People like his mother, Tammy and Tylee.
Thank God for Heather. She knew from day one that Chad was evil. She's lucky to be alive. She must have been on Chad's hit list.
That is one strong lady ! Can’t imagine how tough it must have been ,living inside this craziness . Hats off to her and her remarkable integrity and wisdom .
I feel that the sexism in their religion is the reason more people didn’t listen to heather
Heather is such a beautiful soul - inside and out. I remember how Heather repeated Chad said Lori was “hot and loaded.” Yep, she was loaded with BS and feeling heat from the police asking where her kids were.
There is electricity in that home addition, garage lights and all.
Is Prior trying to say the family used the room went without lights?
Even if they only used heavy duty extensions, there was access to power. He lied to the court….not “the whole truth”’
Awful..like seriously John Pryor.
Yep, Prior is NOT a very honest man. He is attempting to create his own narrative not based on fact, and he is trying very hard. He will not be successful.
Poor Tammy she prayed about moving to the new house ? the answer to her prayers was this is the house she suppose to be ,same one where she lost her life .
7:45 working in a cemetery or in the funeral home is honourable work if done with caring compassion. It’s helping people at a time of need.
Sweet beautiful Lauren and Dr. Babe you have done so much to open this horrific case up to the rest of the world who deeply cares! Heather seems both kind and the type of woman that has been forged in fire. God Bless Her!
So many people out here have been able to follow along, greave these victims and pray for justice through your work. Thank you. 🙏
I recently rewatched this, great that you are putting it on again🎉
I love heather, she’s like “I definitely have opinions on that, but won’t get into them” 🤣🤣🤣🤣
The flashing clips on the bottom of the video are very irritating
Agreed 100, live comments should really be limited to live streams only; they are super disruptive, especially when they are as large as they are here. If you zoom in a bit on the video, you can crop them out of view. Unwatchable otherwise 😂
There’s a lot of vocabulary associated with the LDS organization, wow. Thanks Lauren for clarifying some of that in chunks. I’m guessing serving for free because it’s a service to God? It’s a “good work”? It seems like a lot to be doing for free. You be that stake leader and you still have to find time to get home and get the garbage to the curb on time. (Okay, the last part was snarky). It seems like there’s a lot to the LDS body of believers and the people who are called to be leaders must be amazing people. I’m overwhelmed by the amount of responsibility put on them. This interview is very informative and troubling at the same time.
Some people find this sort of thing to be exhilarating, others like the social power involved. One thing is for certain, you’ll always have someone willing to help the stake leader out - inside and outside the church
I GET IT HEATHER.
I grew up in LDS church and have a very similar case of being called the pot-stirrer as I spoke up when things were off. My brother (who is a police officer) always kept his true feelings and thoughts to himself. Called it ‘wearing a mask’. He married a controlling, fanatical Baptist woman, had six kids, believes in demon possession LITERALLY, and raised the kids by emulating Bill Gothard’s teachings (ie:the Duggars’ religion). They have spiritually, emotionally and physically abused their kids, and pushed me and my kids away as we let theirs know they were not the reason their parents mistreated them. Narcissists don’t like when you call them out. Add extra mental illness like delusions and rage problems and you get a very sad, scary problem that destroys families. It has caused a schism in ours. I would love to be close to them, but it is impossible. They see anyone who doesn’t follow their exact way of believing as misled, and they see me as ‘ungodly’. Fortunately, my one niece who has also been called the pot-stirrer (because she’s ‘just like her aunt B’) does have a close relationship with us, but suffers their belittling judgments. Only a month ago my only nephew (the youngest) believed he was possessed by demons and my brother and his wife proceeded to try to cast them out or get a pastor who could. I just STILL cannot believe that in 2024, this still goes on and especially to people I personally know. It’s all so insane. They too believe the end times are near and have become more and more obsessed. It’s awful. A few years back he decided he wanted to leave his abusive, isolating wife …for our cousin’s wife. His wife found out and he threw my mom and me under the bus because he told us. First he made it that we encouraged him to leave her. Then they brought their pastor and church members over to grill him WITH THE KIDS PRESENT at which point he changed to the tactic of saying a demon that looked like a giant pill bug wrapped around his head made him do it. Accountability? ZERO. To this day, he is with his wife. I can’t tell who is more psychotic. Mental illness is a sad thing and I should feel empathy towards them, but it is difficult when they’ve cast such hypocritical judgement on us. All this to say I FEEL FOR AND ADMIRE HEATHER. I am lucky there have been no murders in our situation, but it scares me to wonder what could happen. I am also luckier in that we don’t live anywhere near each other or have the same circle of acquaintances. Still, it’s awful that I can’t have a relationship with my brother, my kids can’t have one with their uncle, and my mom is put in between because of all this. It’s heart-wrenching. STAY STRONG HEATHER. YOU ARE ADMIRED.
I'm noticing a lot of parallels between Lori's father and Chad Daybell.
Please get heather again, be great to hear her, on the trial and their healing from these dispicable murders, and their family dynamics
I can't imagine how difficult it was for Heather and her family living down the road from Chad. Always fearful of what he could be saying to neighbours and telling lies, to discredit her. Just shows how powerful these 'nut job believers' can be. Terrifying.