Milli Vanilli were NOT the only imposters! (Mime and Punishment Part 2)
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- Опубликовано: 7 фев 2025
- Milli Vanilli were NOT the only imposters! (Mime and Punishment Part 2)
This is the story of Milli Vanilli…one of the biggest scandals to rock the music industry.
Part one looked at how Milli Vanilli was formed and Frank Farian the producer behind it all before covering their meteoric rise to success and scandalous fall from grace. We also looked into what the duo did in the 30 years that followed the miming scandal.
In Part two we dive deeper into the details and reveal the shocking truth the record industry doesn't want you to know! Milli Vanilli were NOT the only imposters!
Note: This is a re-upload. The previous version had to be edited for copyright reasons.
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This is so good. Subbed and in awe, keep this going. I feel like it's almost diabolical how it went down with Milli Vanilli. Because would have Rob died like this if the producer was honest... Terrible. But this is well made!
The thing that is really annoying, Rob said they didn't s ing on vocals as their accents were too thick!
But when the press saw them sing in the studio they sounded alright to me.
@@mikekaraoke Yeah they have been manipulated and used from the beginning.
@@mikekaraoke it seems to me that accents disappear when bans sing. One example is the Scorpions. I had no clue they were German just by hearing them sing
@@rocknroll7316 Really, what every single band/artist. That isn't true is it lol
Examples: A-ha, Propaganda, Sandra, Falco, etc.....
With regards with the Scorpions, How did you not know they were German just because they sung not with an accent due to TV music shows/ interviews/documentaries, write ups in papers/magazines, Teletext/Ceefax over the decades etc lol
Very confused lol
You don't know how Rob would have died. We know he wouldn't have been known when he died. If it wasn't for his dishonest producer you wouldn't be here to be regretting the man's death. The only reason anybody knew Rob orfab was because, they lied. It wasn't just their producer they accepted the money they spent the money and they lied to everyone's face.
Martha Wash singing "Everybody dance now!" on the Arsenio Hall show is iconic. It's so easy for her to sound amazing!
Right! That clips gives me goosebumps!
She makes it look easy.
Equally iconic when Whitney says you have a tremendous voice. ❤❤
The amazing part is she did that SITTING DOWN! and what's her name that tried to sing over her voice in concert was standing and still sounded horrible 😂😂
*Wash.
Martha Wash’s “everybody dance now” is the most memorable part of the song. In fact that’s what the song became known as.
So true! I have to keep correcting myself to write "gonna make you sweat (everybody dance now)" 🤦♂️
Yes, but to be fair c&c had other huge enormous hits that didn't Martha wash like things that make you go mmm, here we go and just a touch love. All top 10 hits on the us billboard charts
Facts no one remembers Freedom Williams bum ass verses
@@strukn69 true, but this was, by far, their biggest hit. Went number 1 around the world and outsold everything else they did...
@@strukn69 to be fair, they were only hits because they were by the "everybody dance now!" group...
Despite her prolific involvement in disco, Martha Wash’s voice is timeless. There are countless dance records coming out to this very day that are *still* inspired by her vocal style. Her impact on popular music is undeniable. It’s a shame that the labels treated her that way.
It most certainly is & you know it when you hear it!
they need to do more than praise Martha wash. they need to kiss her feet bc if it wasnt for her, they wouldve never touched the charts.
@@genxqueen79 I agree 100%
Oh honey she sued them and earned her bags!
House music seems to be largely based on Martha Wash-esque female vocals.
This is why I love Prince and how he put Rosie Gaines front and center. That's how you know C+C Fraud Factory was not about the music.... it was about the money.
Eurodance was a fraud anyways the only eurodance songs I like are Ray Of Light by Madonna and I'm Blue by Eifel 65.
yes YES! now I wanna see those prince videos again♥️thank you! 👏
C&C Music Factory was ALWAYS about money as well as fashion, jewelry and hairstyles.
I mean they never pretended that the dancers were singing the song as by then everyone knew what sampling was and how dance music was made.
Likewise Black Box, I mean everyone I knew was aware that it was a sample loop.
They were always promoted as models and dancers.
It was all a bit yuppie cringe but I think this documentary misrepresents what C&C and the mega-hit dance music of the early 90s was all about.
So someone who sang a session song and was paid a basic studio fee is miffed they didn't get credit on a record that they otherwise had no input on at all but seriously the record companies OWNED those samples.
Well, it's a factory! Boss takes the credit, everyone else gets minimum wage.
Amen, @Kyle! Our guy, Prince gave credit where credit was due!
It astonishes me that companies would rather pay expensive legal fees than just give people the money they earned for good work.
Must be lucrative or they wouldn't do it. The music industry is a pimp-ho business model: pay for the artists' clothes, cars used in music videos, touring costs, drugs & parties then tell them they owe YOU money after the tour's over. It's part of the reason they want young (often poor Black) naive singers--so they'll not understand contracts & fine print.
It doesn't surprise me at all, I have met record execs and they are pompous power drunk suits. They see there job as in holding onto and controlling all credits
Sounds like you don’t understand the math.
thats why its best to go independent
That's the gamble they take. If it's successful, they make enough to be able to pay up expenses, (usually out of court), to make it worth their while, and if it flops, hardly anyone notices it and there's no real case against them. It's a win-win for them. Contracts are written up with the fine print worded in such a way that the record companies literally own the recordings with the artists only getting royalties, usually only about 3% of any profits. And, if they can find a loophole where the actual singer isn't credited, they'll take it. Any legal action taken in retrospect is already accounted for. The record companies don't lose out, that's for sure.
Mate, I don't normally comment on videos like this because I usually just have them playing in the background while I work. But... you worked proper hard on this. Deeply researched, thoroughly scripted and a lot of effort put into finding relevant clips, photos and text. Bloody good job, I'm glad to see it getting the views
Thanks for watching 👀 and taking the time to comment 😀.
Really appreciate the feedback, definitely a lot of effort went in...fortunately had plenty of time on my hands then due to lockdown
Just the way they exploited Martha Wash though horrible. I'm glad these videos are not only exposing that, but giving her the flowers she so richly deserves. Bless you
When Martha was on Arsenio, and just SANG, “Everybody Dance Now!”
That sealed the case right there!!!
What Martha was known as a singer?
@@hydrolito
The iconic Martha Wash. the most stolen voice in music history.
So many hits in the 80s and 90s were because of her voice, which was stolen and lip-synched by other people.
Gave me chills!
Martha was excluded from the video because the director of the video wanted a certain look that she didn't have.
@@hydrolito It's Raining Men
That was her group
Love how this industry decided that we as listeners can't appreciate talent only looks.
hey, T'WAS EVER THUS. Aided and abetted by tricknology.
@@oluhamilton2121 ...for many years music listeners didn't even know what the singers looked like as record covers didn't have pictures. It wasn't until the rise of albums, and album artwork in the '70s that image started to play a part but it wasn't until MTV in the 80s that it really became integral.
The great success of these projects seems like they were/are right though
@@vagtsal it may seem that way, but we can never know for sure without a time machine. For all we know they got successful despite the tactics not because of them.
Decades later and this is still true. People want to watch good looking people sing, not ugly ones. Look at all the stupid singing shows that people watch on tv.
Martha deserves a spot on the rock n roll hall of fame and a star on hollywod blvd for her contributions to music.
Facts! Auntie deserves ALL of her flowers!
AMEN!!! A true unsung hero of music.
She definitely deserves lifetime achievement recognition.
@@TASconfidentialsay it loud
She certainly does. At first, I t thought it was Zelma Davis of C&C Music Factory actually singing it, but I read that, in 1992 -1993 it was Martha doing the vocals. Martha, you deserve better.
I think that there should be a petition to get this lady recognition as a nominee or a special awardee for the rock & roll hall of fame.
The way she so effortlessly sang such a powerful vocal "Everybody dance now" !
Love these documentaries. And Martha Wash singing Everybody Dance Now live on Arsenio-gold!
Check out Todd in the Shadows video about the Weathergirls
@@adamf1980 k thanks
Whitney hit the nail on the head 13:38. The music industry has a problem with people who don’t fit their image. They rule out their audience, assuming that we won’t like the music.
It's about control. The real talent never gets credit/fame.
The imposter never gets talent/independence.
BOTH are controlled by the labels and producers...who have all the POWER.
Martha Wash deserved a lifetime achievement Grammy, American Music Award and Billboard Award.
Her voice WAS the 90s!!!
💯💯💯💯
what???? say that LOUDER for everyone to hear bc you didnt lie. 💯 Martha Wash is the 90s true dance queen.
it still is
i could go with that
Ya Kid K is literally gorgeous and has 19x the personality of Felly, so this case I think had less to do with weight and more to do with the fact that she awesomely didn’t choose to over-sexualize her femininity and presented as androgynous. A damn legend.
100% I honestly have no idea why they felt the need?!?!
@@Traxploitation She looked like a lesbian. This was 1980.
I've always heard that was because she was a minor at that time (she was 17 y.o.)
yeah, shes a legend. i think it was because she was only 17 at the time. they featured her in later videos and performances
i smoke the mic like weed
Let's take this from vocals to an instrumental level. On Ozzy Osbourne's 1981 album Diary of a Madman, Bob Daisley and Lee Kershlake played the bass and drums respectively, like they had done on 1980's Blizzard of Ozz. But due to a dispute with Sharon Osbourne, credit for bass and drums went to Quiet Riot members Rudy Sarzo and Tommy Aldridge, despite the fact that neither one played a single note on the album.
So from vorporate meddling the possibility of any work u do is replaceable. Kanye did souljah boy, big sean the industry dirt. Guess hes arrived
Off topic, but Sharon Osbourne has had a dispute with everyone she has ever worked with.
@@michaeladkins6 True!
No shit, I did not know that.
Sharon Osborne is a Bitch. This is just another example of why.
The very first time I heard C+C Music Factory I'm thinking "Damn, that sounds just like Marth Wash." And I was right. Now I see why so many musical artist hate the industry and rip on it every chance they can. Fab & Rob were eviscerated by the media but truthfully, they were just two guys hired to do a job who were treated way too harshly.
I remember Arsenio putting Rob and Fab on his show and he was amazed how they sounded. They were both decent singers.
He could not believe they were never allowed to sing in concerts. To late they had been outed and disgraced long before then.
They were arrogant and bragged about being better than Michael Jackson. They started believing the hype and took the scam too far
@@cece932 - the percentile is very high that they were told to trash talk MJ by their masters to help up the sales.
@@cece932 that's what they were paid to do. These men signed their name on the dotted line to be puppets on the world Stage. Everything was calculated by the people who put them on.
@@vana.johnson8845 j
Martha omg her voice is undeniable ! Shame on those that took advantage of her voice ! Thumbs-up Martha you deserved better !
Well that explains why every female role in the movies from the 50's to the 60's sounds exactly the same. Jesus. Thank you for putting this together. This needs to seriously get out and get viral.
You must be joking so you're claiming that actresses are committing fraud what a crock.
@@TelecasterLPGTop does it say that I think they committed fraud anywhere in my comment? Jeez, read it a little closer.
@@TelecasterLPGTop ARE YOU NUTS!??? INFORM YOURSELF. WOMEN IN HOLLYWEIRDOS LAND WERE NOTHING BUT UNPAID SLAVES. Rita Hayworth, NEVER SAW A PENNY, NEVER SANG A NOTE!
Doris Day did sing and shot movies, and died in poverty anyway.
Most actresses were NOT singers or dancers.
I could be wrong, but I think that you’re talking about all the films that Marni Nixon sang in. That wasn’t a secret. Bollywood musicals do the same thing. The actors rarely sing.
😂🤣😂🤣😂😅😂🤣
FYI : Solomon Linda was the original creator and singer of Lion sleeps tonight back in 1939 . Its an old African folk song . The credits and royalties to that song is still a bone of contention for us Africans , especially for the family of Solomon . We hold it close to our hearts and it still resonates with young South Africans today .
Yes, I wrote a blog and ebook on the subject of "Mbube/The lion sleeps tonight" 5 or 6 years ago. I'll make a video about it at some point too.. I don't think the credits are a bone of contention any more tho, Soloman Linda has been credited on all versions and derivatives of Mbube/Wimoweh/Lion Sleeps Tonight since 2006. The royalties however, are a whole other question. His daughters didn't really get all that was owed.
@@Traxploitation Thank you for replying ...
and thank you for a great documentary !!! Yes ...agreed . However I must add that, that "bone of contention" is chewed on by many young South Africans when the subject of that song pops up . The matter is still debated amongst African Renaissance academics when discussing our heritage and Southern Africa's contribution to the world. South Africans , especially my black brothers and sisters hold a special affinity to that song , and we , maybe even stubbornly believe it to be South African. We sometimes might be full of shit here , as a country....but we are also an extremely resilient and creative bunch.
😁
PS: I have just discovered you and your work and am diving into it . I hope to read that e-book . Is the links in your profile?
I have friends in the SA music industry , particularly one who is involved in the handling the royalties aspect of SA musicians. She is an accomplished South African musician with a SA number one hit under her belt .I can give you her details if you wish . RUclips will not allow me to share my email here but if you follow my profile you will find a link to it . Once again , thank you for a great documentary and i look forward to checking out the others .
ruclips.net/video/WH0BrpCK0Cc/видео.html Original Solomon Linda's "Mbube"
What’s pretty hilariously sad is that the old newspaper comic strip Dondi actually had a storyline about a pretty “singer” having her vocals sung by another actual singer who wasn’t photogenic back in the 80s, so it was known back then.
Great video. Subbed!
Martha Walsh. Total Legend and the real queen of dance of music.
🤔
As a musician and singer, i truly enjoyed this video.. You'd be surprised at what goes on at actual " live" concerts.. "Ghost" singers and "ghost" musicians behind the stage.. Depending on the perspective, it's either considered bait n switch or entertainment magic..
So glad you liked it.
I'm a musician too, I think it's entertainment magic! And what's magic but a flashy deception? 🤷♂️
I just think all the parties involved should be paid correctly and be able to choose whether or not they're credited.
Anyway, thanks for watching and taking the time to comment. Stick around and watch some other videos...this is actually part 2 of a longer documentary there's another part and loads of other stuff on the channel. 😎
@@Traxploitation I certainly will. I stumbled on you today, I'm glad I did. I agree 100% they deserve their due for their talents
Btw, Subbed today as well
It never stopped. Jennifer Lopez has been getting away with "ghost singing" for years. Ashanti and Natasha Ramos are to real voices behind JLo.
"I don't know her."
None of today's stars can truly sing live with very few exceptions. Autotune corrects what nature didn't provide. They're chosen entirely for their youth, attractiveness & mass appeal. Between the Telecommunications Act of '96, the advent of Autotune, the loudness wars & all these audition shows, Pop music is a dead art. Nothing is organic; groups are the result of auditions & not people meeting in real life like Boyz II Men or The Supremes. Pop lyrics now average a 4th grade comprehension level and declining. 😥
@@MsNooneinparticular Adele!
Yes & Christina Millian
There are so many artists today who don’t need auto tune while singing live, and there’s a long (nearly a century-long) history of artists lip syncing for live performances. I think you need to look at this from more of a zoomed-out perspective if you’re going to make disparaging comparisons
There was another huge hit in 1990 with the same pattern. Snap! and "The power" The lyrics which define the song are taken from "Love's gonna get you" from Jocelyn Brown. Again in the video someone else was lip syncing. Jocelyn was neither credited, nor paid or asked for permission to use her voice. The whole case ended up in a law suit as well.
The story of "The Power" is a little more complicated than that. The original version samples vocals from both Jocelyn Brown and Chill Rob G. Chill Rob G vocals were replaced by Turbo B who rerecorded the sample (adding a couple of lines) and Penny Ford (musical director and backing singer for Chaka Khan) also recorded new vocals. In the video Jackie Harris mimes to the vocals of both Penny Ford and Jocelyn Brown. It's definitely a story worth telling though!
@@Traxploitation That would be one I'd enjoy watching!
you see THAT Jocelyn brown part...I didn't know. what Jocelyn song was it from? I wanna hear the ORIGINAL voice
@@genxqueen79Technotronic- Pump Up the Jam too!
@@markusantonio4866 you're right. I forgot abt that. but technotronic fixed that shit up so fast, we barely noticed. they were smart. the 49ers were another group who did the same thing too😭😁
Dude. This is gold. Please keep these up I enjoyed the entire thing.
Thanks for watching and taking the time to comment. I'm really glad you enjoyed, I will certainly be making more. Thanks for your positive words of encouragement!
@@Traxploitation My dude you totally forgot about the German group
SNAP with I Got The Power ruclips.net/video/nm6DO_7px1I/видео.html
and the original The Power by rapper Chill Rob G ruclips.net/video/Hd0aNVDOo3U/видео.html That situation I remember as clear as day because I worked
upstairs from Tuff City Records and I did a couple of jobs for Aaron. Him and
Mark The 45 King ( who produced the track ) unbeknownst to Rob sold the whole
song to the producers of SNAP who used a fake rapper to lip sync the rhyme
parts as you can see and hear in the two links.
@@jamesearlcash1758 Didnt forget, thats a long and winding tale, and by the time the song hit the charts Chill Rob G's vocal sample had been removed as had the vocal sample from Loves gonna getcha, still an interesting story...deserves its own video.
Milli Vanilli were definitely scapegoated. I made fun of them too like everyone else did back then until I watched Vh1's Behind the music about it. That scandal really destroyed their lives professionally and personally for a long while and, I think caused Rob who was already fighting depression and drug addiction that nobody knew about to take his life. Always thought it was cool that Arsenio Hall was the first to have them perform as themselves when that whole scandal was over with.
This has been going on since at least the 1960's more times than one cares to know. I don't know why they just singled out Milli Vanilli.
Interestingly, the instrumental Ghost Box was always my favourite Black Box track on Dreamland, which encouraged me to learn my late Dad’s sax so I could play the sax piece on this track 😊
Mike Nesmith was clearly a visionary. I have never heard of Popclips until watching this video. Mike’s mother Bette Nesmith Graham was a visionary like her son. She invented “White Out”. I really appreciate you telling Marni Nixon’s story. She was so talented and her singing voice is present in so many classic movies. This is an excellent video. I have become a new subscriber to your channel.
Thanks Marnie 😀 welcome aboard!
Panoram were jukeboxes that played videos in the 1940s.
Since I was around during ,Milli Vanilli, I did always think they never should have been treated as the bad ones in this, it was that producer that tricked them into it, they were the real victims, not the fans of the music who bought the albums mostly because they liked the way the guys looked, more then how they sung!
I also remember the others here of course, that all came after, and though I knew that lots of movies dubbed in the singing in a lot of musicals and movies showing an actor singing, but I was surprised just exactly how sneaky and underhanded it was at times, towards the actors and the singers!
I actually never knew the Monkey's was also done that way at first, I did know that some of the guys really wanted to do their own music and wanted the show the end so they could leave the group even!
The Monkees at first, sang the songs. They didn't play the instruments. Two of them were actual musicians, Peter Tork and Mike Nesmith. The other two fought against Headquarters. But Dolenz learned to play. This was a situation where they weren't using other singers' voices. Whatever. They had great sonwriters, including Nesmith, John Stuart, Boyce and Hart and Neil Diamond among others. And their sound was great. The Beatles used other musicians in their songs. Like Eric Clapton in While My Guitar Gently Weeps. George Harrison just couldn't play like that (I am no Clapton fan as a solo act or his racism). Paul McCartney played the drums for Ringo on Dear Prudence, who up and quit for a while on the White Album. Studio musicians are rarelygiven credit. They sometimes have to fight for it. The music business really sucks
@@DJarry394 Never knew any of this...
@@valjeanlee7060 It gets worse, one of the men of the group Milli Vanilli, humiliated and broke after years of just wondering around trying to hide committed suicide, ...
@@davidhennen7045 that I did know...the industry just chews people up and spit them out...
Even on the Monkees songs they didn't play on, a group member sang on. Mickey sang most leads and sometimes Davy.
I can't fathom the amount of work that must have gone into this exposé! Thank you so much, new subscriber. Thank you for being so fair to Rob & Fab--the tragedy is how Rob took his life over over the fallout.
Thats sad, I didn't know that.😢
My first concert I was 14 and it was an MTV showcase with Information Society, Ton Loc, and Milli Vanilli.
My 9 year old has now been to a few concerts and I shared the Milli Vanilli story with him. His favorite so far is Muse. Jane's Addiction a close 2nd.
Any way, my favorite gift for Christmas this year was from him. My 8 year old at the time. A Milli Vanilli t-shirt.
AWWWW! What a nice gift! 😃
Wow. Martha Wash. Unknown to the masses by her face, but that voice was everywhere in the 80's and 90's. Awesome talent, got seriously screwed by the beginning of the video driven era.
Aw stop folks know what her face looked like
@@anthonytaylor7928 OK well I didn't, and if you watched the video she herself complained that they were using fashion models to lip sync over her vocals, so I'm going to leave my comment up there.
True - not to the masses. But to the Disco community, she was well known for years.
12:13 You got me! The way the doco was talking, I was beginning to think that maybe the "Everybody dance now" vocal was something Martha could only reproduce with the help of a music studio, and was expecting her to bashfully dismiss any attempts for talk show hosts to try and get her to sing it. nope!
Still my favorite part!
Bravo! This is hands down the most comprehensive and in depth break down of this subject! If you could have added 3-5 second clips of each song mentioned it would have been perfect but I understand. This is a must watch for any music fan who's keen on music history!
I did originally have lots of the music in the video, but I had lots of copyright issues, including the guys from Black Box issuing a copyright strike against my channel. I had to allow youtube to heavily edit part 1 of this to remove the copyright material and had to re-do part 2 entirely. I've since learned how to use just enough of the music to punctuate the narrative, but little enough to fall under "fair use".
Love the research gone into this
so what if they thought Lolita was deceased? you still find out who owns the recording & pay them! if they did that,they would have found out she was still alive..they tried a slick move & got caught
I think that was a lie
And the African man who wrote ' The Lion Sleeps Tonight' died in poverty, unable to afford the medicine he needed. I watched a documentary about this atrocity years ago. I can't listen to that song without feeling sick.
Yeah, Solomon Linda. I wrote a blog about him and Mbube/Lion sleeps tonight. This channel started off as video versions of that blog so I'll do a video on it at some point, no doubt. Thanks for watching and commenting 🙂
Jesus! R.I.P
@Traxploitation Solomon Linda! Thank you! I had forgotten the man's name, and the original song title. That's interesting that you started with a blog about this subject. I only just found your channel on the day that I wrote my comment, and watched several videos of yours in a row. I really appreciate the amount of work you put in to create quality videos. I subscribed! I have more to catch up on, and look forward to your future videos. I am glad the algorithm lead me to your channel! Thanks for what you do!
A noteworthy mention is ' Ca Plane Pour Moi' (1977)....... Despite being credited to Plastic Bertrand , the vocals were actually performed by the record's producer, Lou Deprijck.
I’ve posted this video to my 29 yr old son for his education and for him to share with his hipster buddies . Really great work . Please keep at it 👍😁
Thank you so much! 😎
Thank you for doing your homework! Well done! I was an actress-dancer-singer living around Europe when so much of this was going down. I’ve shared the stage with some of those acts and I knew several of the real vocalists. My heart still goes out to them being artists who did all the work but got none of the glory. And what glory was given came about in the manner they never expected or really preferred to have. If you ever plan to do a Part 3: Corona, Capella, Whigfield, DJ Bobo, Maxx, Silver Convention, M.C. Sar & The Real McCoy. Just sayin'.
Thanks 😀
Those are all great suggestions and you're not the only one to ask for a part 3 😁
If a band sampled a song I made a decade ago without my permission, I would seek out some litigation from the act involved...
I think the whole music industry is fraudulent. It opened my eyes to all the songs I have known and liked for most my life. I loved Milli Vanilli, I even went to a concert. Also most of those 90s songs I liked too. And to find out that this deception has been going on even way back before my time, just confirms how corrupt it is.
Sadly, you're right. The music industry wasn't set up for the sake of the music, or the fans, or the musicians. It was started by opportunists in search of the next money-making scheme. Many of the people that set up the first music publishers previously sold corsets, bras, bibles and encyclopedias, when Edison patented his phonograph he intended it for use in court cases to record the events, not as a music medium. When it was sold as a domestic playback device the first recordings were speeches, comedy routines and sermons as well as music. Like all ventures undertaken solely for profit the only 2 ways to make money is to underpay your workers/suppliers or overcharge your customers, or both.
For example. Back when the Beatles were putting out music a record cost 40p, the equivalent of 2hrs wages for men, (or 4 hours for women!) thats like charging $20 for one song in 2022! Yet from that 40p the Beatles were paid just 1p shared 4 ways.
The exploitation of both the musicians and audience is baked into the music industry.
Yes it's disgusting, this whole obsession with "image" as if talent should fit in a certain box. Imagine today Adele lending her voice to a model (before she lost weight)!
@@Traxploitation so interesting and so disturbing.
It's a dirty business.
I have to respectfully disagree with your opinion. Its not the whole music industry, just the popular (pop) part of it. The side that makes the most money. Other genre's of music like Metal or Jazz Rock Fusion have not seen this type of controversy ever.
I recognised Darlene Love! She's Roger Murtaugh's wife in the _Lethal Weapon_ movies. She's featured in the 2013 documentary _20 Feet From Stardom_
There's also a great, highly recommended documentary about the Wrecking Crew, released in 2008.
Glen Campbell is a former member of the Wrecking Crew who became highly successful as a solo artist. Now there's a guy who didn't need anyone to fill in for him in the studio!😄 The man had some _serious_ guitar chops and could really sing. Overall truly a gifted musician.
Thank you! I knew I recognized her from somewhere. I never knew she was a singer, and I love 60s music...
@@jenx5870 Yes, she was a _very_ good singer. But due to politics she wasn't able to break through. They talk about it in the _20 Feet From Stardom_ documentary.
I remember Milli Vanilli on MTV singing in perfect American yet unable to speak English without a thick German accent and not being convinced this was possible.
Ever hear Klaus Meine from Scorpions speak? His talking voice and singing voice are completely different when it comes to speaking English.
Listen to the artist from the British Invasion speak in the early days. Sometimes you would swear, you needed a translator. There is an American country singer who had a very pronounced stutter when he spoke. But, he sang flawlessly. You’d never know it unless you spoke to him. So natural accents mean little.
I loved Black Box, but when I saw them perform on Soul Train, there was an interview after the performance and Katrin Quinol couldn’t speak a word of English and needed a translator. This was right after the Milli Vanilli scandal and I called it right then that she wasn’t really singing on the album!
This is excellent, I've watched both parts and I agree with your thoughts about Milli Vanilli . At the time it all happened, I thought the industry was embarrassed that they'd been caught, hence how Milli Vanilli were treated. I remember the issue with Tight Fit, it was news for a day or so and then everybody got on with their lives, we even bought their second single 'Fantasy Island', catchy song and we liked the image. Keep up the excellent work.
The quality of your videos!…..I’m shocked! Subbed, and shared! Keep up the great work and here’s wishing much success to your channel in the future. You deserve it!
I actually feel guilty for not knowing who Martha Wash is. She is awesome!
YOU SHOULD!!!
JK 😁
dont be. I was abt 10 or 11 when "everybody dance now" came out. the reason why I know Martha wash is bc my dad had a huge collection of disco records. 2 records he had that he played a lot was "just us" and "it's raining men". both sung by Martha wash and izora armstead(RIP). if I would've never heard those songs..I wouldve felt just as guilty if not more 😁
Now! I always run down samples and go back and buy original artists
This is a wonderful video. So many fascinating stories from the many cases of ghost players over the years. Excellent work with the research.
Thanks 😊 glad you enjoyed it.
It's sad that the real talent behind the voices were hidden because of what they looked like. I wonder how it made the actual singers feel about themselves? This is body shaming in a horrible way.
DAMN dude, that Arsenio clip. she didnt even warm up or hesitate a second she just blasted it out and no problem. i remember back then we use to make fun of C&C Music Factory back then because they had a fake Ice T, on top of a fake back up singer.
back in the late 80s i was a Thrash Metal guy but i had a friend at school and for his birthday his grandmother bought him a pair of tickets for Milli Vanilli. no one would go with him so i was like hell yeah ill go there will be girls there, the entire audience was like 12. Young MC and some girl group i cannot remember opened, i still had fun. albiet i didnt pay or i might have been more upset.
😂fake ice T thats definitely a good one. he did try to sound like the original gangsta
You've shattered my teenage self sir. I loved all of these, but awesome show Trax.
Aw sorry :)...well at least you enjoyed the ride and hopefully you can still enjoy the music :)
An extremely well assembled presentation. The significant effort underpinning it is obvious. I’m a bit shocked at the lack of views and “likes.”
Btw as I watch this video my TV is on in the background and there's a commercial using the song Everybody Dance Now(Gonna Make You Sweat)... It's 2023 and that song is still being used in commercials.
This is awesome. I worked in a mom n pops record store when these albums all came out. We sold used CD's, the Black Box, C&C Music Factory and Milli Vanilli were all on the do not take list.
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What is a “do not take “ list?
@@trashyraccoon2615 It means do not take them in trade ins.
Shame on those for hiding her cause of her weight. She is a very talented singer
Sylvester wouldn't hid her! ❤
@@GoldandAppelSylvester was fabulous
@@GoldandAppelRuPaul didn't hide her, either
Wonderful Documentary. Thank You!
Just found about the Milli Vanilli incident and couldn't help but watch both part 1 and part 2 of this video series. Great work. You got a new subscriber.
Great two part series still deserves so many more subs for all the work put into this set of videos i hope people find your channel and bump up those numbers
Much appreciated! The last week or so has a seen a massive increase of views for the channel, hopefully it stays at this level or grows more... you commenting like this really helps the channel get picked up by "the algorithm" i've had more comments in the last week than most of last year...i think its the engagement that is causing the growth. So Thank YOU! :)
@@Traxploitation They were an education naturally i knew about milli vanilli but the other cases were news to me and i remember when they were in the charts ahhh the joy of being 53
Dude the work you put into this is amazing. Excellent research. Great video.
Thank you so much. It really means a lot to me that the effort I put in didnt go unnoticed or to waste. So glad you enjoyed it, please check out the other videos too if you have time. This was only the 3rd video I ever made and I think i've gotten better with each video.
@@Traxploitation you should seriously consider approaching netflix with your work .
Subscribed straight after the video.
I remember learning Martha Wash was the singer and wasn’t surprised. I was really into music and her voice was used on multiple songs.
Spent this lovely Sunday morning watching both parts of this. Brilliantly researched, edited and presented. We know how long it takes to create content, and we can tell you worked hard on this. Well done!
Brings back a lot of memories from the late 80s/early 90s.
Keep up the bloody great work.
Agreed . This documentary was a little jewel which i picked up thinking it was just an interesting rock that needed dusting and closer scrutiny . Watched both . Informative and entertaining . 😁👍
What an interesting story. I was a huge Technotronic Fan. Now i know where they came from. Music business is a weird business.
Fabulous video! I love your work. Please continue your work. You are doing a great job.
However to the comments...I got some rage on behalf of Martha reading some people 's comments on this video. "NO ONE WOULD KNOW WHO MARTHA WASH WAS WITHOUT C&C MUSIC FACTORY. " With all do respect the person who commented that, you are only speaking for yourself. I did and I was a child when C&C music factory was making videos that I remember skipping the video thinking...oh...that's not a music video...that looked like a work out/buns on steel video. I didn't care for the video, I only understood it was an actual so once I heard it on the radio. I knew who Martha was, she was one of the Weather Girls. I was a kid. I didn't get the adult concept of the lyrics "It's raining men" but it didn't stop me from driving my family insane by practicing hitting every note Martha could. Clearly the person who only discovered music with C&C music factory didn't have a radio as a child or had no interest in any other genre of music.
Oh yes I did...I went there....not sorry.
As for the comment "NO ONE WANTS TO SEE A 300LBS WOMAN IN A MUSIC VIDEO" that person who added that to the comment. You are speaking for yourself. Not for everyone. The Weather Girls did their own videos. Prince, yes Prince the music legend was happy to have a fantastic singer who also was had a fantastic voice, was a plus sized woman dressed seductively, in the video Get Off. You might not to see a plus size singer in a music video but true great musicians, that did their own work...again...I went there...still not sorry....they did. They gave credit where credit was do.
AMEN! Glad I'm not the only one enraged by some of the comments! Martha Wash is a beautiful lady with a wonderful voice, who deserves credit when her voice is used on a hit song. End. Of. Story!
@@Traxploitation What about Karen Wheeler from Soul II Soul? She wasn't a small lady and was front and center of their outfit. She's beautiful with an amazing voice singing what would be groundbreaking British Soul tracks in the late 80s/90s. Try telling Aretha no one wanted to see her on stage.
"BOY, YOU BETTER THINK!!" and give these lady's some "RESPECT!!" would be what you'd hear. LOL
@Marvellous132 I read out loud as I was reading that "Damn straight! You know it!" Adding snaps of my fingers.
Yes! You get it. It is disturbing how much the music cares more about "the look" over actually talent. I am not going to even say female singers as it happened as it happens to males too...the first time I lived through a male singer being erased visually from the band, was with John Popper the lead singer of the band The Blues Travelers; lead singer. When they got a hit started getting attention, they were told not to show John- the lead singer, in the music videos and on live TV appearances he was really only shown playing harmonica. Hands covering his face as he played.
When it comes to weight people will use the "entertainment industry beauty standards " arguments. But no one uses the same agreement if an artist/band is slender/fit/healthy but is not conventionally attractive in the face. Someone can be conventionally "unattractive " and be an artist, no "entertainment beauty standards/no one wants to see that" arguments. People will defend the talent the person has instead of relying on any standards of entertainment industry beauty standards as a defense. Which to people who see are as a visual product make music no longer art. It's no longer music that one can listen too.
@@Traxploitation Thank you! I had to subscribe to you channel.
I love plus sized people.
Thank you for putting this out, people need to know about stuff like this.
It’s amusing that the song MV released right after their disaster was called “Girl, I’m Gonna Miss You.”
Before youtube hacked chunks out of the part 1 of this documentary there was a section where I say just that... the first line of that sing is "Its a tragedy for me to see the dream is over" seems prophetic!
Stellar video. Looking forward to more in-depth looks like this one.
The music industry has screwed over a LOT of people. That's been well known for decades. But the way Milli Vanilli was treated was very unfair.
Agreed!
Thanks!
Thank you so much for your support!! Is there a topic you'd like me to cover in the future or something i've covered already but you want to see more of?
Oh my god. The top ten countdown with top of the pops theme. 😁😁😁😁😁👍👍👍👍👍❤️❤️❤️❤️❤️. Bugger I feel old
Glad you liked it! I found an old totp countdown from 1989 and superimposed the covers...and of course added Paul "19" Hardcastles "the wizard" ...all so it would feel like an 80s countdown....mission accomplished it seems 😎
I love the way you presented these stories, very informative and I love the narration!
What an absolutely mind blowing story!! Thank you so much for the insight. You folks did a wonderful job of telling the stories behind the scenes. Thank you again. You've got a new subscriber!!!!
Glad you enjoyed it! and welcome!
I don't know how you got into my algorithm but I'm so glad that you did.
I'm glad too!
Welcome 🙏
There's plenty of other videos on the channel so please stick around and check them out.
The new one I'm working is almost ready too!
To beat it all, these are great songs! All the ones listed here, that was popular in the US, are still "go to" and favorite songs I will always play. I was crazy about the Monkeys music, and I had the Archie's album too! To love these songs so much, it's extremely disappointing to not have the proper credit on everything! Heartbreaking for these artists. 💜
Brilliant documentary and a great tribute to unknown struggles.
Martha Wash sang 'You're My One and Only' by Seduction?? 😮😮 I never knew! I have that track on vinyl.
16:48 David was right. Anybody could have sung the song.
“But not like Martha"
True!
Martha Wash is soooo talented! Her vocals are strong! She's a boss! Oh, drop dead gorgeous! She got burned bad! This industry is nothing but a scam! They used Martha's vocals and the video was lip-synched by a slender model and pretty face! They did that a lot back in the late 80s and 90s!! Such a shame!! Thanks for this content!!😲😲😲😲😲😲👋👋👋
So true!
Thanks for watching and taking the time to comment.
from the pix I seen of her she looks more curvy & elegant. idk why they were HIDING her! but different times I guess🤷♀️😬
Such a fascinating doc. Thank you for making this. My mind is blown.
Brilliantly researched and we'll presented, well done!
You forgot in 1985 Baltarmora ,Tarzan Boy wasn’t sang by the lead singer , he was just a model also
I never knew that, cheers
Excellent history lesson. I love it. Thanks so much for sharing.
Glad you enjoyed it
Extremely well researched, expertly presented & delivered. Well done sir. Much of which I was aware of being in the music business myself you meet people & lots of things get said & as plausible as they may seem it’s difficult to establish at the time but as with all things, over time the light reaches in the dark corners as our eyes become accustomed to it. Nothing surprises me anymore
Much appreciated!
Excellent documentary worthy of a main Channel TV doc
Really impressive
Content excellent.
Super fascinating video! So well done. Great job ❤️❤️❤️
Thank you 🤗
The song “I’m a believer” sung by the Monkeys but written by Neil Diamond, made popular again in the movie Shrek. Good video, thanks for the history of music in the 80’s and beyond.I truly hate what happened to Mili Vanilli… that cancel culture caused a man to delete himself due to backlash, humiliation, and ridicule. So sad and look what image has become!
Thank you, thank for this vid!👍🏼👏🏼Old Indy gal, here, and I loved how I got to see Patty Spitler being great☺️😎
Just found this channel. Subbed. Great work! I had no idea about the 50's and 60's movies, that's a pretty big deal I think. Makes me wonder how many artist I love that aren't real. Keep it coming.
Thanks Jennifer, and welcome aboard! 😀
EXCELLENT research and presentation! Also, really dig your voice. Wonderful to listen to 😊
Thank you 😊
Excellent, and I like you think Rob and Fab were treated badly. I didn't know about Brittany Spears and Jenifer Lopez! Keep up the excellent work, and I'm pleased to say I've subscribed to you.👍🏻
Thank you, and welcome.
Brother how the f have you only got 3000 subs?? FANTASTIC little docs.
Good thing Mark Wahlberg really had Loleatta Holloway performing with him on Good Vibrations
Good thing she got credited on the song, know nothing.
Come on come on😅
you deserve more subs... this mini series is fantastic. thankyou
Last Time someone posted a comment like that I only had around 1500 subs...now its 5k+ so I'm getting there...thanks for watching and commenting. Your kind words, encouragement and support really mean alot to me!
I still remembered and convinced back then that Katrin was the voice of Black Box, until Martha Walsh came out, and was also the voice of C & C Music factory. Darn confusing as a kid back then. Then my dad added there was Christopher Cross who song those hit songs in the 80's, but people thought he was some Tom-Selleck look alike but they were wrong lol. Even back then people placed image over talent.
This was a very well done expose. Thanks.
Great video. The section about The Monkees isn't entirely accurate though. They assumed one they'd been cast that they'd be responsible for the music and only found out later that they'd be restricted to only providing vocals. Mike Nesmith was allowed to produce the songs he wrote though and managed to sneak Peter Tork in to play some guitar on those songs. Mike and Peter were fighting with Don Kirshner for more creative freedom from day 1 but he wasn't interested. Eventually, he was fired after doing some dodgy deals behind the show's creators back as well as his ongoing war with The Monkees who were now banding together in wanting to be a real band. While it is true that the show's rating did start to decline, sales were still strong. The first album The Monkees had full control over, "Headquarters" made it to number 2 on the US album charts. This was seen as a fall from grace as the previous albums made it to number 1. However, this was purely down to bad timing as the album happened to be released on the same day as The Beatles "Sgt. Pepper's Lonely Hearts Club Band". It did remain on the charts in that number 2 position for the same amount of time as Pepper was at number 1 though (or close to it). Interestingly, the musicians who did play on The Monkees earlier recordings were the same musicians playing on albums by The Byrds and The Beach Boys. That's a lot of information for a small part of a longer video though. Keep up the good work and I look forward to watching more of your videos.
Man, This was very well done. A lot of history here.
So glad you enjoyed it!
It's really just comes down to making money..
Great video, thanks for the upload👍
Martha Walsh voice is a power house ....👍👍👍.... Also Freedom Williams remind Me of Ice T
He's Ice T, if you ordered him from Wish dot com. 🤣
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