You have two unauthorized entities in The witch and Saul performing at least two acts of abomination. I do not believe the Lord would make it possible for a true prophet of God to be handled in this manner by witch and by Saul who was no longer being spoken to by God and lost their anointing.
@@arpthirteen6713 'And the king said unto her, Be not afraid: for what sawest thou? And the woman said unto Saul, I saw (gods) ascending out of the earth. ' 1 Samuel 28:13 i think that the word God with a small g means or refers to demons.
So God discards His own laws...nope....That wasn't Saul's destiny, it was a seed of dispair..the bible clearly says the dead know nothing, furthermore your explanation gives credence that a witch had the authority to aggravate a man of God...we are supposed to examine scripture with scripture, and I would like for you to cite any scripture that buttresses your explanation. The medium only repeated what Saul already told her , God didn't answer him. His original sin, the kingdom was going to David. Be careful brother, weaker people will use your teaching as justification of seeking out a medium for an answer. Note: When you don't get an answer from heaven don't knock on the gates of hell .... If God chose not to answer Saul through his approved methods why would Samuel provide an answer.....Matthew Henry has a great breakdown in his commentary or Dake's annotated reference Bible. When you seek out the demonic expect a demon to answer. God won't override His law or make an exception.
So why didn't the text explain that it was a demon or devil? Because the text say Samuel, period. Now you so called Christians and keep trying to explain away the obvious but you're not helping your case.
@@arpthirteen6713 so why didn't God use one of his approved messages...I mean if your answer is that "God allowed it", when scripture clearly says, God did not answer him by the Urim and Thummin, prophets or dreams....you can't seek God....hear nothing....and knock on the gates of hell. Now some scholars say because the witch screamed that the act of screaming proves this was an unusual experience for her, however, scripture also states the enemy can appear as an angel of light, hence a Godly man. Your thought process would denote some backwoods witch has authority,* not so much power, but authority to disturb a man of God. I encourage you to read Matthew Henry's interpretation because he goes into much greater detail. Furthermore, if you're an atheist why are you trying to sow division and discord amongst believers? If so stop being a Richard Cranium, if not keep searching the scriptures...and Abraham's bosom is a poor illustration to buttress your viewpoint if you understood the narrative thereof.
@@tonybarde2572 I assure you I am not. Have a listen to the I AM statements by Jesus on > the living word > channel. Prayers for you in the Name of Jesus Christ.
@@jb-vg4cb brother I don't really care what Intepretation people are giving, 1 st of all God wasn't willing to speak to saul in any way through prophets or through dreams and these are legal ways, so God would never allow a witch to call up his prophet... moreover study carefully and see what that so called fake samuel prophesied wasn't accurate saul didn't die the next day as he said you will be with me tomorrow and philistine did not kill saul as he prophesied instead saul killed himself or an amalakite did so...... people who die just sleep peacefully not body goes to heaven or hell or else there is no point of judgment day... when already people are going to heaven or hell or paradise or hades..
I think it was a demonic spirit. First because God forbids necromancy. I believe it was a lying spirit impersonating Samuel. Because Saul disobeyed God, he opened the door to a spirit of deception who gave him a demonic prophecy (just like fortune tellers or witches would). Just because “Samuel” talked about judgement from God doesn’t mean that God wouldn’t allow those words come to pass, because he definitely opened a door to the enemy through his disobedience, and on top of that, he went to seek counsel from a witch. Demons want to curse people and for us to come into agreement with them. That’s a perverted version of faith. To believe what they say. And the fact that Saul had not repented, fear took grip of him. He believed what he heard, he did not repent and succumbed to fear, by default agreeing with what the demon, disguised, as Samuel told him. This is one of the reasons why God warns against necromancy. Because it seems really realistic and convincing, but they’re all deceiving spirits. Part of their clever ways is to mix truths with lies. Samuel said “why do you disturb me?” Pretending to be Samuel, as if the dead could be summoned. Lie. The dead cannot be summoned. And then he combined it with truth. He condemned him from his sins, of which Satan has every right to do as he is the accuser, and in this case of “no saint” Saul because he was living in complete disobedience to God, so Satans accusations were legit. Even when Satan accuses us, he has a point because we have sinned against God. But the reason why a born again Christian can’t be condemned by Satan is because they have the blood of Jesus for the redemption of their sins. However, forgiveness can only come through repentance. That’s why the blood of Jesus won’t save those who do not want to repent. Not because his blood and sacrifice isn’t enough, but because we have to first agree that we have broken God’s laws.
Just because the spirit knew that Saul would die the next day, the does not mean it was Samuel. The devil and his demons can know future events. Why would God allow Samuel to talk to Saul when God forbids divination and mediums etc?? God would never make an exception. People seek mediums and witches today and sometimes they really do talk to demonic spirits. Would God make an exception today?? He did not with Saul. I assure you
The witch has to be "surprised" for one of two reasons: a) she's a huckster not unlike many modern spiritualists and didn't expect the visitation of an actual spirit; or b) she expected a "friendly" spirit (demon, fallen angel, whatever) and instead literally got Samuel's spirit. In either case, it's clear that the witch did indeed conjure a spirit, and if we're affirming an actual conjuring, it's not that much more of a leap to say it was actually Samuel's departed spirit. Furthermore, the Ancient Near East had a much more spiritual outlook on the world than we do in the modern West, so contextually, the concept of Samuel himself being conjured may not have been all that weird to them. If indeed it is Samuel, there's nothing to say God could not have used Samuel to prophecy from beyond the grave. If He can use angels such as Gabriel to foretell news, what's preventing Him from using a departed prophet, if He so chooses? Saul in his sinfulness has opened the door to this uncouth encounter with the realm of the dead; to say that God is not allowed to use it for His purposes because we as moderns are uncomfortable with the idea of a wider spiritual realm is a little bit weak.
If God wanted to reveal Saul his doom he would do so woth prophet or dream, or in His regular ways. He does not needs necromancy, and He will not do what he hates, that would be opposing His own very nature. Bible does not say it was Samuel, even witch herself says it was a form or silhouette of man with white robes. After telling this Saul ASSUMES it is Samuel
We can't talk to the dead. They are not here anymore. They have passed on. It is a known fact that demons know who we are and they can impersonate us after we die.
@@tonybarde2572 WE can't talk to the dead once they are gone from the earth. The demons know us and can impersonate us. You notice the spirit of so - called Samuel came up from the ground. Saul talked to a demon from hell. God was NOT with Saul at the time he visited the witch of endor.
It’s pretty clear that the witch did call the spirit of Samuel, it wasn’t merely demonic or an impersonation. I agree with some church fathers who would say the same as this video. I mean you would have to disregard the passages to assume it’s merely demonic. That’s silly
The Bible says “Samuel” It’s clear that’s she’s not calling up the spirit of the real Samuel but rather a spirit imitating him God does not tolerate necromancy period. That rule does not bend or break this is not a one time thing Saul was misguided and had already lost God’s favor, Saul did this out of desperation from some twisted belief that god would speak through this Spirit Medium, God was clearly not talking with Saul anymore through prophets Saul would inevitably loose the kingship. Meaning it wasn’t Samuel’s spirit there
@@crowsandravens8998 thank you for understanding the Bible in modern translations puts quotations around the name Samuel meaning it’s not him clearly, she wasn’t a worshipper of god to do this
@@ourtexasjourney1850 The dead are not in their graves. Their souls are with God waiting to be changed into another body. Only their dead bodies are in the ground. Saul talked to a demon that was called up from hell.
I agree! 1. Why was the witch scared? 2. Why would a demon tell Saul the truth and rebuke him?
You have two unauthorized entities in The witch and Saul performing at least two acts of abomination.
I do not believe the Lord would make it possible for a true prophet of God to be handled in this manner by witch and by Saul who was no longer being spoken to by God and lost their anointing.
Very true and in this moment he reveals a prophecy that saul will die.
So the texts is misleading? Because it's says nothing about a demon or devil, it says Samuel.
It is Samuel who was called not a demon … and only because God allows it!
@@arpthirteen6713 'And the king said unto her, Be not afraid: for what sawest thou? And the woman said unto Saul, I saw (gods) ascending out of the earth. '
1 Samuel 28:13
i think that the word God with a small g means or refers to demons.
@@datchet11 So demons are called gods now...smh?
So God discards His own laws...nope....That wasn't Saul's destiny, it was a seed of dispair..the bible clearly says the dead know nothing, furthermore your explanation gives credence that a witch had the authority to aggravate a man of God...we are supposed to examine scripture with scripture, and I would like for you to cite any scripture that buttresses your explanation. The medium only repeated what Saul already told her , God didn't answer him. His original sin, the kingdom was going to David. Be careful brother, weaker people will use your teaching as justification of seeking out a medium for an answer. Note: When you don't get an answer from heaven don't knock on the gates of hell .... If God chose not to answer Saul through his approved methods why would Samuel provide an answer.....Matthew Henry has a great breakdown in his commentary or Dake's annotated reference Bible. When you seek out the demonic expect a demon to answer. God won't override His law or make an exception.
If you seek the supernatural,you invite the influence of a demon. Do not do it . Period
So why didn't the text explain that it was a demon or devil? Because the text say Samuel, period. Now you so called Christians and keep trying to explain away the obvious but you're not helping your case.
@@arpthirteen6713 so why didn't God use one of his approved messages...I mean if your answer is that "God allowed it", when scripture clearly says, God did not answer him by the Urim and Thummin, prophets or dreams....you can't seek God....hear nothing....and knock on the gates of hell. Now some scholars say because the witch screamed that the act of screaming proves this was an unusual experience for her, however, scripture also states the enemy can appear as an angel of light, hence a Godly man. Your thought process would denote some backwoods witch has authority,* not so much power, but authority to disturb a man of God. I encourage you to read Matthew Henry's interpretation because he goes into much greater detail. Furthermore, if you're an atheist why are you trying to sow division and discord amongst believers? If so stop being a Richard Cranium, if not keep searching the scriptures...and Abraham's bosom is a poor illustration to buttress your viewpoint if you understood the narrative thereof.
You said it well: when you seek out the demonic, expect a demon to answer.
That was definitely not Samuel, but a demon impersonating him.
I agree with this explanation
The LORD was NOT with Saul at the time he visited the witch and the dark spirits. Known as mediums.
@@smpeace2683 Shut up Heretic
@@tonybarde2572 I assure you I am not. Have a listen to the I AM statements by Jesus on > the living word > channel. Prayers for you in the Name of Jesus Christ.
Wrong explanation. God will never allow such a thing. Not even once..coz bible says the dead know nothing. Ecclesiastes 9
Read the bible in context
@@jb-vg4cb that's exactly what I am trying to say.. read the bible in context.
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This is what i mean
@@jb-vg4cb brother I don't really care what Intepretation people are giving, 1 st of all God wasn't willing to speak to saul in any way through prophets or through dreams and these are legal ways, so God would never allow a witch to call up his prophet... moreover study carefully and see what that so called fake samuel prophesied wasn't accurate saul didn't die the next day as he said you will be with me tomorrow and philistine did not kill saul as he prophesied instead saul killed himself or an amalakite did so...... people who die just sleep peacefully not body goes to heaven or hell or else there is no point of judgment day... when already people are going to heaven or hell or paradise or hades..
@@chrisclarke1552 well ,thats the problem of religion, everyone has there own interpretation
I think it was a demonic spirit. First because God forbids necromancy. I believe it was a lying spirit impersonating Samuel. Because Saul disobeyed God, he opened the door to a spirit of deception who gave him a demonic prophecy (just like fortune tellers or witches would). Just because “Samuel” talked about judgement from God doesn’t mean that God wouldn’t allow those words come to pass, because he definitely opened a door to the enemy through his disobedience, and on top of that, he went to seek counsel from a witch.
Demons want to curse people and for us to come into agreement with them. That’s a perverted version of faith. To believe what they say. And the fact that Saul had not repented, fear took grip of him. He believed what he heard, he did not repent and succumbed to fear, by default agreeing with what the demon, disguised, as Samuel told him.
This is one of the reasons why God warns against necromancy. Because it seems really realistic and convincing, but they’re all deceiving spirits. Part of their clever ways is to mix truths with lies. Samuel said “why do you disturb me?” Pretending to be Samuel, as if the dead could be summoned. Lie. The dead cannot be summoned. And then he combined it with truth. He condemned him from his sins, of which Satan has every right to do as he is the accuser, and in this case of “no saint” Saul because he was living in complete disobedience to God, so Satans accusations were legit.
Even when Satan accuses us, he has a point because we have sinned against God. But the reason why a born again Christian can’t be condemned by Satan is because they have the blood of Jesus for the redemption of their sins. However, forgiveness can only come through repentance. That’s why the blood of Jesus won’t save those who do not want to repent. Not because his blood and sacrifice isn’t enough, but because we have to first agree that we have broken God’s laws.
It is not what you think. It is what the bible clearly states.
Great response, Bobby.
Just because the spirit knew that Saul would die the next day, the does not mean it was Samuel. The devil and his demons can know future events. Why would God allow Samuel to talk to Saul when God forbids divination and mediums etc?? God would never make an exception.
People seek mediums and witches today and sometimes they really do talk to demonic spirits.
Would God make an exception today??
He did not with Saul. I assure you
Problem is that the Bible says it was Samuel. Not some demon. Do you find the word demon in the entire passage?
The witch has to be "surprised" for one of two reasons: a) she's a huckster not unlike many modern spiritualists and didn't expect the visitation of an actual spirit; or b) she expected a "friendly" spirit (demon, fallen angel, whatever) and instead literally got Samuel's spirit. In either case, it's clear that the witch did indeed conjure a spirit, and if we're affirming an actual conjuring, it's not that much more of a leap to say it was actually Samuel's departed spirit. Furthermore, the Ancient Near East had a much more spiritual outlook on the world than we do in the modern West, so contextually, the concept of Samuel himself being conjured may not have been all that weird to them. If indeed it is Samuel, there's nothing to say God could not have used Samuel to prophecy from beyond the grave. If He can use angels such as Gabriel to foretell news, what's preventing Him from using a departed prophet, if He so chooses? Saul in his sinfulness has opened the door to this uncouth encounter with the realm of the dead; to say that God is not allowed to use it for His purposes because we as moderns are uncomfortable with the idea of a wider spiritual realm is a little bit weak.
If God wanted to reveal Saul his doom he would do so woth prophet or dream, or in His regular ways. He does not needs necromancy, and He will not do what he hates, that would be opposing His own very nature. Bible does not say it was Samuel, even witch herself says it was a form or silhouette of man with white robes. After telling this Saul ASSUMES it is Samuel
Why didnt the bible make it clear that it wasnt samuel?
We can't talk to the dead. They are not here anymore. They have passed on. It is a known fact that demons know who we are and they can impersonate us after we die.
Saul went to hell for consulting a witch that had a familiar spirit.
Saul talked to a demon from hell and NOT Samuel.
You are wrong. Satan has influenced you
@@tonybarde2572 Saul did not end well. IT is written. He was sent to hell for using mediums known as the dark spirits.
@@tonybarde2572 WE can't talk to the dead once they are gone from the earth. The demons know us and can impersonate us. You notice the spirit of so - called Samuel came up from the ground. Saul talked to a demon from hell. God was NOT with Saul at the time he visited the witch of endor.
@@smpeace2683 Necromancy may be forbidden, but Samuel was really summmoned!
@@smpeace2683 You are a heretic and a blasphemer against God!
It’s pretty clear that the witch did call the spirit of Samuel, it wasn’t merely demonic or an impersonation. I agree with some church fathers who would say the same as this video. I mean you would have to disregard the passages to assume it’s merely demonic. That’s silly
It is not possible to call up a spirit and it not be demonic...it is called necromancy...clearly an abomination to God according to the Bible
The Bible says “Samuel”
It’s clear that’s she’s not calling up the spirit of the real Samuel but rather a spirit imitating him God does not tolerate necromancy period. That rule does not bend or break this is not a one time thing Saul was misguided and had already lost God’s favor, Saul did this out of desperation from some twisted belief that god would speak through this Spirit Medium, God was clearly not talking with Saul anymore through prophets Saul would inevitably loose the kingship. Meaning it wasn’t Samuel’s spirit there
@@channelrandom2225 CORRECT!
@@crowsandravens8998 thank you for understanding the Bible in modern translations puts quotations around the name Samuel meaning it’s not him clearly, she wasn’t a worshipper of god to do this
Disagree
Pretty convenient if it's the latter. 🤷♀️
You are so wrong about this,This was an evil spirit pretending to be Samuel,Samuel was with the FATHER in heaven,no evil spirit can bring anyone back
You are a lying heretic corrupted by Satan’s lies
Sadly mistaken
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still stranger he was called from hell
No not hell Samuel was not in hell, he was in paradise
“A figure coming up out of the earth.”
Does that mean out of his grave?
@@ourtexasjourney1850 The dead are not in their graves. Their souls are with God waiting to be changed into another body. Only their dead bodies are in the ground.
Saul talked to a demon that was called up from hell.
The Bible loves to contradict itself, it’s so funny to see all these people in the comments arguing about a silly book of mythology 🤣
I suggest you have a look at a video about the I AM statements made by JESUS ! And do it ASAP !
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