I believe your channel and others that are showing that the 7PRC is not as advertised,and you're showing the 6.8 comparison,will help push the 6.8 more. I hope so,eventhough I don't own one yet,I do plan on getting one,and I'd love to see more component manufacturers get on board with it.I am a little disgusted with the way Hornady has acted here recently,and I think a lot of people are starting to see the light.
@@travissmith-wz5nceither that or build a rifle chambered in 280 Ackley Improved. I love the .270 - my first real rifle. It cracked me up when I realized that .270 Winchester beats 6.5 Creedmoor by every measure (except recoil) out to at least 400 yards.
@@travissmith-wz5nc I’ve been researching/day dreaming a rifle build on an ARC receiver and had pretty much settled on 7mm-08. However, a 1:8 twist .270 or a 280 AI build is very tempting.
Do you have anything setup so that we can toss you a few bucks to help cover ammo cost? If you're willing to do all this testing, least we can do is help cover some of the ammo.
That's because the 7prc is by hornady and they sponsor people to push it. The ones that don't get sponsored put out the hard facts honest reviews are only the way to go. The 6.8 western by winchester and browning are the same just different made guns y should they have to push it hard when they know they already made a great cartridge and hornady got mad and wanted the attention u have to remember 6.8 western has been out a good while during the ammo shortage they were hard to get which people didn't like and the rounds were the same cost then as they are now. I know I still have the first two boxes I haven't shot. I bought when the 6.8 western came out a long when the first two different rifles came out I got one of them. I'm not saying hornady is bad for ammo they just dropped the ball selling people shit ammo so they can keep there factory running on 7prc ammo and so consumers have something to shoot yes its not right to do that and not tell ur customers wat ur doing lying isn't that great hope it back fires on them. I called them out in a video they did when I chronographed calibers I had with same barrel length they used and were way off so I called them out then no reply someone makes a video on it and they fold faster
Shot a 270 WSM for years, 140 Accubond.......would love to see a Western video with "light" for caliber bullets.....270 Win been piling up game for 100 years with "light" for caliber bullets!!
Backfire just did a video on this. Hornady rep told him they ran out of powder that produced the box velocity and new powder is just as accurate but slower. Probably just another attempt to save face but if any early batch boxes are still out there could prove one way or the other.
I was Lucky to get an early batch and with my garmin chrono I was getting 2980 FPS average with 5 shot groups and 0.8 MOA with factory precision hunter 175 ELDX. With handloads out of a 24 in barrel, with H1000 66.8 grains I was getting an average of 2960 fps. But every other powder shot really slow. Not a fan that only 2 powders really work for the cartridge but it can be done.
I kinda think the powder change has alot to do with it. This video provides alot of load and really good accuracy data on the 7prc with the powder we all wish was available ruclips.net/video/brH_2ooz05w/видео.htmlsi=0K947c-luLHqmJ--
My experience is the same as yours. I bought 100 rounds of factory 175 eldx last year because there was no other way to get brass at the time. Velocity averaged 2960 in my 22 inch Savage. Now I am loading 66.6 grains H1000 at 3.3 OAL and getting the same velocity.@@jiminator5
Same story. To bad browning and winchester aren't supporting their 6.8 western better, and no one else is either. I'll pass on the 7 prc. And stick with my 7 mag. Thanks for the video 👍🏻
Thats not currently true. 6.8 Western is gaining a little traction. Has aftermarket brass support through ADG, rifles being made by Christensen arms & Seekins Precision. Its never going to be a .308 or 30-06 but I think it still has a shot as a short magnum.
The 7prc and 6.8 western seem to have simular case capacity nearest I can tell, so given a choice, I'd choose the western every time. I could be wrong, but in regards to the 7prc's case capacity, I would think anything over 2900 with a 180gr would probably be overpreasure. That fierce seems like a nice rifle. Of course I'm partial to my new mark5 6.5rpm. That six lug action is awesome!
@@ReloadingWeatherby that's possible. I just know what Google says, and I think it was total water volume, but you know the internet. Do you know the difference? Nearest I can tell once again is a 270rpm would be very close. Again Google lol. Thanks for the reply.
Mate With your comparisons on 7PRC - 7rem mag - 6.8 W Can we do a range & velocities comparison with all factory ammo of same weight & barrel lengths Should sort out the shit from the clay 🇦🇺😃
RW thanks for continuing your experiments with 7 PRC. When it first came out I thought “Eureka that’s it!” But as someone else pointed out, you have to push right up to the margins to get the spiffy “advertised” velocities. Work up loads for a 7mm 08 or 280 Ackley Improved or 6.8 Western. Can you get close enough to not make much difference? Sure seems like you can.
Greetings from Siberia =) My friend is waiting for the rifle to arrive, i think I'll laugh out loud at him . Our gunpowders is not as stable and accurate as yours or Finnish ones, but the speed is decent. It will be interesting to test them =)
Here on the gulf coast, I have 2 7prcs, 1 a ruger and the other a remarms long range, using rl 22,25 and h 1000 I have no problem with velocity reaching 3000 with 180 vlds or eldms, both rifles together cost less than that fierce, I have shot many groups .3 - .7", sold my 6.8 western that one was a tomato stake, but that is just my experience.
The 7prc is a fine cartridge for what it is (modernized 7mm cartridge without the belt for handloaders like myself)... but Hornady basically lying about its performance to make it look significantly better than 6.8 Western is bs.
Problem is whether you are reloading or buying factory ammo, the velocities hornady gives is max. You may be able to get that velocity with a powder or two at max you have no wiggle room. If you reload and your rifle doesnt like a powder or a bullet it cant produce the results people all jumped on the bandwagon for. Take a 300 win mag. You have up to 150+ fps to play with vs factory ammo. And you can get there with many many powders. 200 bullets that do well in the field or on target. Look at max loads with barnes lrx bullets or scirrocos. The prc is way down from the 300 win mag.
Lol had to throw in the 6.8 western jab at the end, the more I see it compared to the 7s the more I like it. Also can you load varget in the 7prc, that might get the steeds up to what hornady had in mind before the powder ran out, aldo interesting to see the old box confirming that statement put out although still not 3k. Great video and keep up the good work!!
@@NomadicHacker. I don't know enough about it all to give you exact details but if you look at the 2024 Relative Burn Chart, 1-176 1 being the fastest, 176 being the slowest. 7 Prc is up around mid 130s-mid 160s. 6 Arc is one side or the other of 120. Varget is 113. I'm no expert in smokeless powder, but I wouldn't stuff a 113 where a 165 belongs.
I dont own a 7mm PRC, so i have no skin in the game.My question would be around ,burn rate, cartridge capacity, pressure develpment related to powder type.Ive seen 7mm PRC get 2930 ft per sec. with a 197 grain Sierra hpbt. Thats very a heavy for calibre projectile for the 7mm. Jacob at handloader tv did a recent string of tests with custom built rifle from Yavapai gunsmith college. He got some amazing velocities and groups,especially with reloader 25 & 26. The caveat is the rifle has a 26 inch barrel. I was still impressed as he seemed to tap into the potential of the case. Hornaday must be using a poor powder as their velocities are definitley underwhelming.
@SpudOutdoors true, that's why I said there is a caveat, a 26 inch barrel. However even if he got 2850 with a 24 inch barrel with a 197 grain bullet that's still good 👍.
@@OutsidetheEchochamber3Rballistics dropped a video yesterday getting 2930 I think it was out of the Federal. Had a real hot single shot from either the Federal or Weatherby that was just shy of 3k.
I just picked up a 6.8 western XPR and it is a beast. Getting 3028 FPS with MAGPRO and 2955 with H1000 with the 165g ABLR. 150g Nos Ballistic tips are screamers and both group very nice in this rifle. All conservative loads with no pressure signs.
I bought a Seekins Precision PH2 last July. Had the option on 7 PRC or 7 REM Mag. The dealer I bought it from convinced me to get it in 7 REM Mag. After seeing all the recent videos about the underwhelming performance of 7 PRC, I’m glad I made the choice that I did. I’m handloading 7 Rem Mag, and I’m getting velocity’s that smoke the factory loaded stuff. I’m sure handloading 7 PRC to max would be better than factory ammo, but case capacity doesn’t lie. I always thought it was fishy when Hornady claimed faster velocities with the same type and amount of powder in 7 PRC in their reloading manual. That literally doesn’t make sense. You can’t have the same bullet and same amount of powder and get drastically different velocity.
If you’re a hand loader, it actually does make sense to go with the PRC, as it’s only the factory loads currently having a problem. Also, the reason you think it “literally doesn’t make sense”, is because you don’t know about the pressure differences. 7mm rm is at 62k, 7PRC at 65k. That means with the same powder load it will have slightly more velocity all else equal, it’s just how it works.
@SpudOutdoors No I don’t realize that. The numbers many have gotten don’t lie. Also, data and science doesn’t lie. 2+2 will always equal 4 and if it doesn’t…you did something wrong. 2 cartidges with the same capacity but different pressures will not have the same maximum velocity potential, and if they do….you did something wrong.
I too went with the same rifle but in 7 PRC... thing shoots same hole with the ELDX factory and .85 MOA with ELDM. Can't wait to start handloading with 195's to see what I can get to work with that... either way, Seekins Precision PH2 is probably my favorite rifle
Watching another video, Hornady is not using the powder from when the caliber launched where they achieved 2950. The new stuff is shooting in the 2800 range
If one looks at the published Hornady load data, they themselves list 4 powders - RL22, RL25, RL26 and N560 - which achieve 3000fps at max load with the 175gr ELD-X from a 24" barrel. That they claim the lack of one powder knocked them out of the "3000fps club" has to be a big fat lie. If I'm wrong, I can only stipulate that the powder they initially used was not on their load data list. I just can't think of what that powder could be. Norma MRP?
The statement Hornady made was that they could not get the powder they originally used, I am 99.9% sure that is R26. They surely have access to some of the other powders, but they were not able to achieve the accuracy they wanted with the same velocities. The person from Hornady stated they preferred accuracy over velocity, I think they simply made a mistake by not changing the velocity on the box. I am still a believer in the 7 PRC and all of the PRC's for that matter, they are well designed and with Stabal HD, H1000 or Magpro, which are all readily available accuracy and velocity should be good enough for most people. If you are not happy after that go with a 7 LRM or 28 Nosler with a slow twist or your own wildcat
Hornady put out a letter saying the powder they are using now isn’t what they initially used and are seeing a little difference in velocity. The quality is still as good and accuracy is as good and quality control has never been better. My opinion the 7 prc shoots amazing
Look I love 7mm and this new prc is pretty cool for what it is, a 7 Remington mag with a little creed sprinkled on it. I'm definitely keeping mine but I just went today and put a Browning Xbolt in 6.8western on lay-a-way. The prc is not what Hornady claimed. That's ok, it looks like Winchester took a page out of Hornady play book and sprinkled some creed on the 270wsm. Goes without saying but I think Winchester beat Hornady at their own game. Wander if that has anything to do with all these other companies rejecting the 6.8western.
@@ReloadingWeatherby as long as it goes bang it has a home here. I still love my 7s even my prc. Truth is I'm a caliber groupie. It truly is a powerful drug 😁
You will also like the X Bolt in that caliber - feeds those short fat cartridges like butter and shoots great too. The X Bolt greatly benefits from a Timney trigger upgrade or an Mcarbo trigger spring in the factory trigger. Enjoy!
Let’s not forget about the 28 Nosler , 7 Ultra , 7 STW , all of which out preform the 7 PRC ! Btw I forgot the 7 WBY ! So many ( better ) cartridges , why are we waisting time on the 7 PRC ? ….. Oh that’s right they need to sell new rifles !……. Thanks for all your hard work for us !………
@@oblivionpro69somebody doesn’t know that not everyone buys factory rifles and gets a custom barrel with any cartridge they want. Some 7rem mags come 1-8 twist and as we knew smokes 7prc, a 80yr old 7wby with a 1-8 twist obliterates the 7prc in velocity and efficiency
Okay so for the 6.8 your not included the flyer? I understand it looks good with the 4 shots shown but that’s not the real group size, you can’t though a flyer out, that flyer is part of that group and it shows what the rifle could do on any of the 5 shots. But just my two cents, good video! I may have to show the 7prc getting over 2900 fps because I think I still got a box left of ammo. Also if I had to pick I still would take 280 and 280ai over both these two. 👍
@ReloadingWeatherby right, so if i only count 1 shot, then it's a really tight group right? Ha. When you go to shoot that gun, it could hit in any one of those spots, i guess i just dont see any value in saying what it could have been, cause it wasn't. But you do you....
Thanks for making informative content! I was able to achieve 2967fps with 180 eldm from 24in Fierce Rouge but the COAL will not be within saami spec; One could achieve 3000fps with better brass (Peterson or ADG). Factory ammo for this caliber is very hit or miss on performance and velocity.
What scope was on the fierce rifle? I am looking for a scope for my 280ai rifle. I want the elevation turret exposed. But the windage capped. What brand chronograph was ya using? I want to get one. But i won't use it much.
@ReloadingWeatherby I was looking at the Vortex Viper 4x16x50 hs lr scope. Wanting an SFP scope for hunting. I was also looking at the magneto speed sporter model. Putting the scope on a new Browning. A Xbolt Hells Canyon Long Range rifle in 280AI. It has a 1@8 twist 26 inch barrel.
Speed doesn't kill. Accuracy does. Develop dope on average velocities at your intended hunting distances and go hunting.That 180 ELDM is still carrying elk killing energy at 850yds with a velocity of 2850fps. AND if it is shooting slower than advertised they're giving you additional barrel life.
My Mossberg 7 prc shot the exact same way. Like almost good but not really. Could hunt with it but just about. Factory federal eld x. Shit just a hair over one inch. But other than that two or so sometimes 1 1/4. But that best. I bought a Tikka in 7rem mag and am very happy that I did. Lol
Here is what I think of why the Fierce is performing a bit better than the Mossberg. It has to do with the stock. The Fierce Rival has carbon bedding and any sturdy bedding makes for a better shooter. The Mossberg Patriot Predator Strata that you have there is a stock similar to the Mossberg Patriot synthetic stock. The mag well is removable and it is used as a shim. The rear action screw guide has a gap so that it is not a complete circle. You can never torque down what you need. This is going to allow some motion, I think, in the rear of the action, using the front action screw like a fulcrum. Put the Mossberg in any bedded stock, most especially a chassis, and it does better. I know because I have some and I have mentioned this more than once to Mossberg and they are not interested in changing their ways.
That’s some of the best velocities I’ve seen from the factory stuff. I’ve always heard Fierce has relatively fast barrels compared to most production rifles. My Firece has a 22” barrel and shoots tiny groups with the 175 and 180. I need someone to donate a chronograph to me.
I absolutely love mine. I’m considering another in a different chambering. I’m sure it will shoot for you because they all seem to drive tacks. I’ve had a small feeding problem (floor plate model) Looks like Fierce is going to handle it but I’d recommend getting the one with a detachable magazine. Should prevent that problem
@masone4589 Thank you so very much for that insight. I was initially considering the floor plate model, but I'll take your advice on the detachable box magazine model.
@johnnorman7708 that's a pretty poor excuse, don't you feel like they should advertise what they are selling you not advertise what you want and sell you something else? It's like buying a car sight unseen and showing up to find an electric kids toy. Makes me mad honestly.
Hornady ammo is. For some reason nobody is posting videos of the other options being tested. It seems that we are only seeing videos that make the 7 Prc look bad. Doesn't make much sense to me.
@@johnnorman7708 haha no it’s not . They are putting the wrong velocities on boxes to sell ammo and rifles . The cartridge isn’t what it’s cracked up to be . That’s what’s going on . Weird that every other ammo company is very close to the advertised velocities but Hornady with the 7prc isn’t ? lol yeah ok it’s a powder shortage 😂
I’m gonna have to force myself to record my groups from my Mossberg seven PRC of course all rifles are different and conditions are different but I get near same hole groups or at least touching I’m shooting at 100 yards that’s the longest range I have near me but yeah
@@ReloadingWeatherby same, I reload with H 4831SC as well it’s a solid powder for the PRC it seems. It is truly sad that Hornady had such a hard on for the 3000 ft./s claim it is a little disappointing lol
He hit the book numbers with H1000 … 2900 fps with 180’s … Before published load data, folks were hitting 2950-3200 depending on the powder without pressure signs. HCR test their custom rifles with factory ammo and you’ll be shocked at the velocities with 20, 22 and 24 inch barrels. Go give their channel some views.
Well, when you have several other manufacturers including hornady complaining about having a hard time getting it... yea, I'd say there's some legitimacy behind it. Especially since I was getting 2970fps on average in my 22" custom build when 7prc first dropped, I'd say 3000fps wasn't a stretch. We get it, you have a room temperature IQ and don't realize there's a couple wars going on in the world that might affect supply of certain components. I'll get you a helmet.
If the worldwide gunpowder shortage is affecting Hornady's ability to source the powders that were keeping some of their cartridges smoking right along, then yeah we do have a crisis of supply beyond what we as hand loaders see on the shelf. I was hoping to at least try to find a pound of Alliant Reloder 26 for my .270, since I heard it was magic it that cartridge too.
Other than making me see that getting a 7prc to replace a 7rem mag would be a downgrade. A real upgrade would be a 28 nosler with a 1-8 twist, which just I have! I did enjoy my 7rem mag though….
The 7PRC haters (mostly 6.8 western guys) are going to get more and more sore the more they realize hand-loading can make the 7PRC exactly what it was advertised to be. Yes, Horny’s factory ammo is having issues, but that can’t change the velocities people have gotten with hand loads.
Wasn’t the argument that factory ammo gave you hand loaded performance in a 7prc? Of course hand loading gives you better results that factory but that’s true with any cartridge.
@peterluttgens3364 I agree, most hunters don’t hand load, but what the hand loads prove is that this factory ammo problem is fixable. Hopefully Horny comes through on that. Also, most hunters don’t buy custom barrels like 1-8 twist 7 rem mags but I’ve seen lots of people around here say the 7PRC is irrelevant because “you can get a 1-8twist 7 rem mag”
It will not. Hornady said the initial velocities on the box were with powders they cannot get so they changed powder and now it is ~175 fps slower. 7 REM Mag smokes it
@@sinistersilverado965what rifle/barrel? You can't blame a caliber because you couldn't get it to shoot😂 the PRC's chamber is tighter than the rem mag, that's true
@@ChristianoMoego watch backfire. He did a video covering this topic. He pinned a comment detailing the powder shortage. ruclips.net/video/crLE-3rQgrk/видео.htmlsi=KmKbVdeoLuveh1sj As it sits, the 7 prc is underperforming to the point where all the claims that Hornady makes are straight lies. They developed a cartridge to give buyers match grade performance, that would beat older cartridges. Now real world results are in. We were duped. 9:07 It's not faster than a RM, the PRC has smaller capacity. You can seat the same bullets in the RM brass, and with most barrels you can stabilize the heavier bullets especially at altitude. If you have a RM browning with an 8 twist, which is factory btw, your set for any 7mm bullet. As 7prc owner, I wish I had just gotten the 7RM. Factory ammo from federal is about half the price. The whole "advantage" was out of the box, off the shelf high level performance. Those things just aren't there for the 7PRC. And with more wars on the horizon, powder supply problem will probably not get better. I think Hornady should print the actual numbers which looks like 2800ish. Honest business is always better than marketing hype that comes back and bites you once the truth is out.
@@ChristianoMoe I’ll see if I can find it. It was posted on another page after BackStop did his test calling them out. Apparently the numbers in the box are with RL26 which they can’t get so they had to go with something slower
To me the prc isn’t a gain at all over a regular 7 rem mag just another 7 mm caliber gun that almost duplicates a 7rem mag but with heavier bullets but not much heavier.
@@ReloadingWeatherby I still love watching you guys shoot, I like the 6.8 western, haven’t bought one yet but what I see is awesome. Although I have a good 270 Winchester, I wanna try the 165 accubonds in it like you did, don’t know what kind of accuracy I’ll get mines a mossberg patriot
@@ericthered7226if, if, if...That's the point of the PRC isn't it? There is no if. Well...not "no if" thanks to Hornady nurfing their ammo, but the point still stands I think. Yeah, a custom a lot of things will out do a lot of things. If you're going full custom, there's better options than a Rem Mag.
@@dankcincy , not custom. They're building fast twist 7 Rem Mags you can buy right over the counter. Just average Joe rifles. I know for a fact you buy a new 700 Remington with a 1:8. So, not if, if, if....
I would encourage everyone to be pragmatic about this. The PRC has the potential to be an excellent cartridge. It offers a more efficient cartridge design and can be loaded to tighter tolerances with heavy for caliber bullets. Even though we’re seeing velocities on par with 7RM out of factory offerings, handloading will quickly bridge that gap. We’re still getting 7RM velocities, and those are no joke. I’m pretty sure the animal won’t care. Right now I’m not inclined to plunk down a grand for a new rifle, as I’m not a PRC fanboi, but give it a year or two and I’m sure you’ll see the improvements you’re looking for. Hornady won’t be able to withstand the criticism and backlash, and continue to push the 7 PRC without fixing the powder/velocity issue.
@@ReloadingWeatherby Didn't get 3k out of any of them did he? That Federal did alright though. Data point of one but yours, once you do it, will make two. 😁
@@ReloadingWeatherbyI talked to the smith today. He said that he will hand it off to the paint/cerakote department by the end of the week. I'm hoping it will ship out next week!!!😁
It's like mdt throwing a video up on 270 win vs 6.5 creedmoor not saying the 6.5 is bad I own one but says it's old news with browning releasing new twist rates on the 270 win with loading higher bc bullets that reloaders can do I left a fantastic comment on that one too saying basically stop trying to burn on old calibers that have been proven and stop trying to boost sales hornady 😂
Had a look at the 6.8 Western load data. Unless I'm missing something, it looks more in line with the 6.5 Prc, not the 7. Even the Hodgdon load data stops at the 175s with a max load at 2,883fps. It doesn't even break 3k unless you're maxing out with a 150gr. Best I can tell, the 175s are the heaviest you can get in box ammo as well with Browning's 175s claiming 2835fps. Why is the 6.8 even coming up in a 7 Prc conversation?
If you stand on the 7mm PRC... it beats the 6.8 pretty easily. It's that 6.8 Western factory ammo outperforms the 7mm PRC factory ammo. One last thing... all the 6.8 Western reloaders I talk to get better velocity than the books without going over max.
@@ReloadingWeatherby The Hornady factory ammo. That's the same point someone else just made. The Hornady ammo being low like it is brings the 6.8 into the conversation but if you reload or use a different ammo the 6.8 stays out of the conversation. I was just looking at the Hodgdon 6.8 reloading data and at available box ammo. I have no doubt you can see different results real world. What I didn't see was anything over the 175s. Do the guys you know push 180s and 190s like the 7 does?
I believe your channel and others that are showing that the 7PRC is not as advertised,and you're showing the 6.8 comparison,will help push the 6.8 more. I hope so,eventhough I don't own one yet,I do plan on getting one,and I'd love to see more component manufacturers get on board with it.I am a little disgusted with the way Hornady has acted here recently,and I think a lot of people are starting to see the light.
Thanks for including the 6.8.
Underrated cartridge
These videos are making me want to put a 1 in 8 twist 26 inch barrel on a 270 win. I know browning is starting to produce 1 in heels canyon
@@travissmith-wz5nceither that or build a rifle chambered in 280 Ackley Improved. I love the .270 - my first real rifle. It cracked me up when I realized that .270 Winchester beats 6.5 Creedmoor by every measure (except recoil) out to at least 400 yards.
@@chipsterb4946 beats 6.5 prc also. Was thinking about 280 ai also.
@@travissmith-wz5nc I’ve been researching/day dreaming a rifle build on an ARC receiver and had pretty much settled on 7mm-08. However, a 1:8 twist .270 or a 280 AI build is very tempting.
Love the little 6.8 western add-in at the end!
Do you have anything setup so that we can toss you a few bucks to help cover ammo cost?
If you're willing to do all this testing, least we can do is help cover some of the ammo.
Agree, I'd love to help out with a few $
I feel like he needs to build this channel into a platform that verifies and checks ammo companies claims. Someone needs to keep them honest.
That was awsome adding the 6.8 at the end. Given that its actually doing what the prc claimed to do.
That 6.8 is a spicy one!
Yep
I love the 6.8 western
I keep reading good things about 6.8 Western. Just isn't getting the push behind it like the 7prc.
That's because the 7prc is by hornady and they sponsor people to push it. The ones that don't get sponsored put out the hard facts honest reviews are only the way to go. The 6.8 western by winchester and browning are the same just different made guns y should they have to push it hard when they know they already made a great cartridge and hornady got mad and wanted the attention u have to remember 6.8 western has been out a good while during the ammo shortage they were hard to get which people didn't like and the rounds were the same cost then as they are now. I know I still have the first two boxes I haven't shot. I bought when the 6.8 western came out a long when the first two different rifles came out I got one of them. I'm not saying hornady is bad for ammo they just dropped the ball selling people shit ammo so they can keep there factory running on 7prc ammo and so consumers have something to shoot yes its not right to do that and not tell ur customers wat ur doing lying isn't that great hope it back fires on them. I called them out in a video they did when I chronographed calibers I had with same barrel length they used and were way off so I called them out then no reply someone makes a video on it and they fold faster
Help push the 6.8 along. Thanks for sharing.
Shot a 270 WSM for years, 140 Accubond.......would love to see a Western video with "light" for caliber bullets.....270 Win been piling up game for 100 years with "light" for caliber bullets!!
Have to love the 6.8 Western
I love my Xbolt Browning Hells Canyon 6.8 Western
I’ll never give her up 🇦🇺
Backfire just did a video on this. Hornady rep told him they ran out of powder that produced the box velocity and new powder is just as accurate but slower. Probably just another attempt to save face but if any early batch boxes are still out there could prove one way or the other.
I saw! Thanks for watching
I was Lucky to get an early batch and with my garmin chrono I was getting 2980 FPS average with 5 shot groups and 0.8 MOA with factory precision hunter 175 ELDX. With handloads out of a 24 in barrel, with H1000 66.8 grains I was getting an average of 2960 fps. But every other powder shot really slow. Not a fan that only 2 powders really work for the cartridge but it can be done.
I kinda think the powder change has alot to do with it.
This video provides alot of load and really good accuracy data on the 7prc with the powder we all wish was available
ruclips.net/video/brH_2ooz05w/видео.htmlsi=0K947c-luLHqmJ--
My experience is the same as yours. I bought 100 rounds of factory 175 eldx last year because there was no other way to get brass at the time. Velocity averaged 2960 in my 22 inch Savage. Now I am loading 66.6 grains H1000 at 3.3 OAL and getting the same velocity.@@jiminator5
I watched Jim. I thought he said industry insider, not Hornady rep.
Same story. To bad browning and winchester aren't supporting their 6.8 western better, and no one else is either. I'll pass on the 7 prc. And stick with my 7 mag. Thanks for the video 👍🏻
Thats not currently true. 6.8 Western is gaining a little traction. Has aftermarket brass support through ADG, rifles being made by Christensen arms & Seekins Precision. Its never going to be a .308 or 30-06 but I think it still has a shot as a short magnum.
The 7prc and 6.8 western seem to have simular case capacity nearest I can tell, so given a choice, I'd choose the western every time.
I could be wrong, but in regards to the 7prc's case capacity, I would think anything over 2900 with a 180gr would probably be overpreasure.
That fierce seems like a nice rifle.
Of course I'm partial to my new mark5 6.5rpm.
That six lug action is awesome!
7mm PRC has more case capacity
@@ReloadingWeatherby that's possible. I just know what Google says, and I think it was total water volume, but you know the internet.
Do you know the difference?
Nearest I can tell once again is a 270rpm would be very close.
Again Google lol.
Thanks for the reply.
6.8 western for the win! What's not to like about it?
Mate
With your comparisons on 7PRC - 7rem mag - 6.8 W
Can we do a range & velocities comparison with all factory ammo of same weight & barrel lengths
Should sort out the shit from the clay 🇦🇺😃
That sounds very expensive.
Throw 280 Ackley Improved into the mix.
RW thanks for continuing your experiments with 7 PRC. When it first came out I thought “Eureka that’s it!” But as someone else pointed out, you have to push right up to the margins to get the spiffy “advertised” velocities. Work up loads for a 7mm 08 or 280 Ackley Improved or 6.8 Western. Can you get close enough to not make much difference? Sure seems like you can.
Greetings from Siberia =) My friend is waiting for the rifle to arrive, i think I'll laugh out loud at him . Our gunpowders is not as stable and accurate as yours or Finnish ones, but the speed is decent. It will be interesting to test them =)
Here on the gulf coast, I have 2 7prcs, 1 a ruger and the other a remarms long range, using rl 22,25 and h 1000 I have no problem with velocity reaching 3000 with 180 vlds or eldms, both rifles together cost less than that fierce, I have shot many groups .3 - .7", sold my 6.8 western that one was a tomato stake, but that is just my experience.
The 7 Please Re Consider.
That’s funny
Oh thats just savage.
@7mmHypeream it out to 28 Sherman!
7 Public Relations Cartridge.
Shot mine this afternoon!
The 7prc is a fine cartridge for what it is (modernized 7mm cartridge without the belt for handloaders like myself)... but Hornady basically lying about its performance to make it look significantly better than 6.8 Western is bs.
Problem is whether you are reloading or buying factory ammo, the velocities hornady gives is max. You may be able to get that velocity with a powder or two at max you have no wiggle room. If you reload and your rifle doesnt like a powder or a bullet it cant produce the results people all jumped on the bandwagon for. Take a 300 win mag. You have up to 150+ fps to play with vs factory ammo. And you can get there with many many powders. 200 bullets that do well in the field or on target. Look at max loads with barnes lrx bullets or scirrocos. The prc is way down from the 300 win mag.
That's a really good point
Lol had to throw in the 6.8 western jab at the end, the more I see it compared to the 7s the more I like it. Also can you load varget in the 7prc, that might get the steeds up to what hornady had in mind before the powder ran out, aldo interesting to see the old box confirming that statement put out although still not 3k.
Great video and keep up the good work!!
Varget is way too fast
@@dankcincy bummer
@@NomadicHacker. Yup
I shoot a 6 Arc as well and Varget is a touch to hot for it too. Guys are doing it, but it's flirting with disaster I think.
@@dankcincy I've seen load data for varget in 30-06 how is it to hot for 6arc?
@@NomadicHacker. I don't know enough about it all to give you exact details but if you look at the 2024 Relative Burn Chart, 1-176 1 being the fastest, 176 being the slowest.
7 Prc is up around mid 130s-mid 160s. 6 Arc is one side or the other of 120.
Varget is 113.
I'm no expert in smokeless powder, but I wouldn't stuff a 113 where a 165 belongs.
I dont own a 7mm PRC, so i have no skin in the game.My question would be around ,burn rate, cartridge capacity, pressure develpment related to powder type.Ive seen 7mm PRC get 2930 ft per sec. with a 197 grain Sierra hpbt. Thats very a heavy for calibre projectile for the 7mm. Jacob at handloader tv did a recent string of tests with custom built rifle from Yavapai gunsmith college. He got some amazing velocities and groups,especially with reloader 25 & 26. The caveat is the rifle has a 26 inch barrel. I was still impressed as he seemed to tap into the potential of the case. Hornaday must be using a poor powder as their velocities are definitley underwhelming.
The point of the cartridges was to get those velocities in a shorter barrel
@SpudOutdoors true, that's why I said there is a caveat, a 26 inch barrel. However even if he got 2850 with a 24 inch barrel with a 197 grain bullet that's still good 👍.
@@darrylpacholko5495 I get 3000 with a 195 in 7 mag with a 26”
@@SpudOutdoors 7 mag is what I own .I see no need for a 7mm PRC.
If you use anything but Hornady factory ammo with their current powder. I live in your area and am offering you a box of Federal ammo for your test?
Send me a message on Instagram. My handle is Reloading Weatherby
@@ReloadingWeatherby sent 👍
At least from the 7 PRC groups I’m in, it sounds like the federal has been 100 FPS or so faster. 2900-2950.
Thank u finally
@@OutsidetheEchochamber3Rballistics dropped a video yesterday getting 2930 I think it was out of the Federal. Had a real hot single shot from either the Federal or Weatherby that was just shy of 3k.
I'm glad I went with the 28" barrel. Lol I'm really curious to see what I get out of it.
After digging into that 6.8 a bit, I for sure get it.
I just picked up a 6.8 western XPR and it is a beast. Getting 3028 FPS with MAGPRO and 2955 with H1000 with the 165g ABLR. 150g Nos Ballistic tips are screamers and both group very nice in this rifle. All conservative loads with no pressure signs.
Thanks for sharing!
Still love watching the videos
I bought a Seekins Precision PH2 last July. Had the option on 7 PRC or 7 REM Mag. The dealer I bought it from convinced me to get it in 7 REM Mag. After seeing all the recent videos about the underwhelming performance of 7 PRC, I’m glad I made the choice that I did. I’m handloading 7 Rem Mag, and I’m getting velocity’s that smoke the factory loaded stuff. I’m sure handloading 7 PRC to max would be better than factory ammo, but case capacity doesn’t lie. I always thought it was fishy when Hornady claimed faster velocities with the same type and amount of powder in 7 PRC in their reloading manual. That literally doesn’t make sense. You can’t have the same bullet and same amount of powder and get drastically different velocity.
If you’re a hand loader, it actually does make sense to go with the PRC, as it’s only the factory loads currently having a problem. Also, the reason you think it “literally doesn’t make sense”, is because you don’t know about the pressure differences. 7mm rm is at 62k, 7PRC at 65k. That means with the same powder load it will have slightly more velocity all else equal, it’s just how it works.
And by “same powder load” I mean same grain weight but different powders. 7m RM can’t handle as much of the hotter powders.
@@oblivionpro69you realize you are completely wrong and have no idea what your talking about.
@SpudOutdoors No I don’t realize that. The numbers many have gotten don’t lie. Also, data and science doesn’t lie. 2+2 will always equal 4 and if it doesn’t…you did something wrong. 2 cartidges with the same capacity but different pressures will not have the same maximum velocity potential, and if they do….you did something wrong.
I too went with the same rifle but in 7 PRC... thing shoots same hole with the ELDX factory and .85 MOA with ELDM. Can't wait to start handloading with 195's to see what I can get to work with that... either way, Seekins Precision PH2 is probably my favorite rifle
Watching another video, Hornady is not using the powder from when the caliber launched where they achieved 2950. The new stuff is shooting in the 2800 range
If one looks at the published Hornady load data, they themselves list 4 powders - RL22, RL25, RL26 and N560 - which achieve 3000fps at max load with the 175gr ELD-X from a 24" barrel. That they claim the lack of one powder knocked them out of the "3000fps club" has to be a big fat lie. If I'm wrong, I can only stipulate that the powder they initially used was not on their load data list. I just can't think of what that powder could be. Norma MRP?
I don't think Hornady has access to any of the powders that get 3000 FPS
The statement Hornady made was that they could not get the powder they originally used, I am 99.9% sure that is R26. They surely have access to some of the other powders, but they were not able to achieve the accuracy they wanted with the same velocities. The person from Hornady stated they preferred accuracy over velocity, I think they simply made a mistake by not changing the velocity on the box. I am still a believer in the 7 PRC and all of the PRC's for that matter, they are well designed and with Stabal HD, H1000 or Magpro, which are all readily available accuracy and velocity should be good enough for most people. If you are not happy after that go with a 7 LRM or 28 Nosler with a slow twist or your own wildcat
Have you ever tried finding accuracy nodes with incremental loads? It seems like you are chasing velocity exclusively.
I do it all the time... just don't show it on camera
Hornady put out a letter saying the powder they are using now isn’t what they initially used and are seeing a little difference in velocity. The quality is still as good and accuracy is as good and quality control has never been better. My opinion the 7 prc shoots amazing
7mm PRC is a good shooting cartridge. But shame on Hornady for trying to get away with much lower velocities.
Look I love 7mm and this new prc is pretty cool for what it is, a 7 Remington mag with a little creed sprinkled on it. I'm definitely keeping mine but I just went today and put a Browning Xbolt in 6.8western on lay-a-way. The prc is not what Hornady claimed. That's ok, it looks like Winchester took a page out of Hornady play book and sprinkled some creed on the 270wsm. Goes without saying but I think Winchester beat Hornady at their own game. Wander if that has anything to do with all these other companies rejecting the 6.8western.
You will like that 6.8 Western
@@ReloadingWeatherby as long as it goes bang it has a home here. I still love my 7s even my prc. Truth is I'm a caliber groupie. It truly is a powerful drug 😁
You will also like the X Bolt in that caliber - feeds those short fat cartridges like butter and shoots great too. The X Bolt greatly benefits from a Timney trigger upgrade or an Mcarbo trigger spring in the factory trigger. Enjoy!
I’m sure your 7 prc videos are done but I just noticed on the Berger 180s 68.7 grains of magpro is 2950 on their load data
I'm not done, just taking a break
Makes me happy to stick with my Fudd rifles and cartridges. If i feel that i need soemthing it would be bullets components or optics.
There's a lot to be said for sticking with what you know works for you.
Once the propellent issues get sorted the 7 PRC will be shooting exactly where it’s supposed to be
It only get's 3000 FPS with RL-26...
Let’s not forget about the 28 Nosler , 7 Ultra , 7 STW , all of which out preform the 7 PRC ! Btw I forgot the 7 WBY ! So many ( better ) cartridges , why are we waisting time on the 7 PRC ? ….. Oh that’s right they need to sell new rifles !……. Thanks for all your hard work for us !………
Thanks for watching
Somebody doesn’t understand twist rate and why it matters
@@oblivionpro69you can get any chambering in a fast twist…
@@oblivionpro69 what is the twist rate for the 7prc ? , browning and several others offer a 1:8 , 26" for the 7mm rem mag ,
@@oblivionpro69somebody doesn’t know that not everyone buys factory rifles and gets a custom barrel with any cartridge they want. Some 7rem mags come 1-8 twist and as we knew smokes 7prc, a 80yr old 7wby with a 1-8 twist obliterates the 7prc in velocity and efficiency
Okay so for the 6.8 your not included the flyer? I understand it looks good with the 4 shots shown but that’s not the real group size, you can’t though a flyer out, that flyer is part of that group and it shows what the rifle could do on any of the 5 shots. But just my two cents, good video! I may have to show the 7prc getting over 2900 fps because I think I still got a box left of ammo. Also if I had to pick I still would take 280 and 280ai over both these two. 👍
The flyer is included. 1.2 inch 5 shot group. I wasn't trying to hide the flyer.
@@ReloadingWeatherby cool 😎
You said half moa on the video, it didnt even shoot 1 moa 😂😂
@@knotsknives1863 I said if we didn't count the flyer. You can see the flyer with 1.290" right next to it.
@ReloadingWeatherby right, so if i only count 1 shot, then it's a really tight group right? Ha. When you go to shoot that gun, it could hit in any one of those spots, i guess i just dont see any value in saying what it could have been, cause it wasn't. But you do you....
Thanks for making informative content! I was able to achieve 2967fps with 180 eldm from 24in Fierce Rouge but the COAL will not be within saami spec; One could achieve 3000fps with better brass (Peterson or ADG). Factory ammo for this caliber is very hit or miss on performance and velocity.
What scope was on the fierce rifle? I am looking for a scope for my 280ai rifle. I want the elevation turret exposed. But the windage capped. What brand chronograph was ya using? I want to get one. But i won't use it much.
He had a Vortex Razor LHT. We were using a magneto speed chronograph
@ReloadingWeatherby I was looking at the Vortex Viper 4x16x50 hs lr scope. Wanting an SFP scope for hunting. I was also looking at the magneto speed sporter model. Putting the scope on a new Browning. A Xbolt Hells Canyon Long Range rifle in 280AI. It has a 1@8 twist 26 inch barrel.
@@ozark_trapper I have a Vortex Viper HS. I like it.
When you gonna try a warbird….i love that cartridge and Kevin Calhoun has some build vids on one
Was there any pressure signs, do you think you can hit 70 grans of H1000 or higher? You should go over 3000 fps.
Lots of pressure in the Fierce at 68 gr
Speed doesn't kill. Accuracy does. Develop dope on average velocities at your intended hunting distances and go hunting.That 180 ELDM is still carrying elk killing energy at 850yds with a velocity of 2850fps. AND if it is shooting slower than advertised they're giving you additional barrel life.
My Mossberg 7 prc shot the exact same way. Like almost good but not really. Could hunt with it but just about. Factory federal eld x. Shit just a hair over one inch. But other than that two or so sometimes 1 1/4. But that best. I bought a Tikka in 7rem mag and am very happy that I did. Lol
Wat was the 6.8 western rifle in the end of this video?
Fierce
Yeah.... I should have bought that instead 😢
Have a look at the Browning Xbolt hells canyon in the 6.8 Western
Mine is brilliant 🎉
Might be a bit cheaper than the Fierce 👍🇦🇺
Here is what I think of why the Fierce is performing a bit better than the Mossberg. It has to do with the stock.
The Fierce Rival has carbon bedding and any sturdy bedding makes for a better shooter.
The Mossberg Patriot Predator Strata that you have there is a stock similar to the Mossberg Patriot synthetic stock. The mag well is removable and it is used as a shim. The rear action screw guide has a gap so that it is not a complete circle. You can never torque down what you need. This is going to allow some motion, I think, in the rear of the action, using the front action screw like a fulcrum.
Put the Mossberg in any bedded stock, most especially a chassis, and it does better. I know because I have some and I have mentioned this more than once to Mossberg and they are not interested in changing their ways.
Still waiting on Hornady to chime jn and Defend their advertised Numbers.... where u at Hornady!!!
I've had Remington factory ammo, in 24" rifles miss published velocity by 400fps in 243win, and 270 win
That's crazy
And this is why you must reload !……
400 FPS miss..... HOLY...
Good stuff Austin 🤘🏼❤️🩹🙏
That’s some of the best velocities I’ve seen from the factory stuff. I’ve always heard Fierce has relatively fast barrels compared to most production rifles. My Firece has a 22” barrel and shoots tiny groups with the 175 and 180. I need someone to donate a chronograph to me.
I'm considering the Fierce Rival. How well do you like yours? Any insight Pros/Cons are greatly appreciated
I absolutely love mine. I’m considering another in a different chambering. I’m sure it will shoot for you because they all seem to drive tacks. I’ve had a small feeding problem (floor plate model) Looks like Fierce is going to handle it but I’d recommend getting the one with a detachable magazine. Should prevent that problem
@masone4589 Thank you so very much for that insight. I was initially considering the floor plate model, but I'll take your advice on the detachable box magazine model.
Now that’s what it’s about good onya fellas, info like that helps everyone and it’s great to see people not arguing over ish
Life is too short to try and shoot a Mossberg rifle for groups.
That's just cold. Lol
BUT SO TRUE.
I have seen videos saying the velocity is 100-200 fps below what the factory is claiming.
Powder supply problems are to blame.
@johnnorman7708 that's a pretty poor excuse, don't you feel like they should advertise what they are selling you not advertise what you want and sell you something else? It's like buying a car sight unseen and showing up to find an electric kids toy. Makes me mad honestly.
Hornady ammo is. For some reason nobody is posting videos of the other options being tested. It seems that we are only seeing videos that make the 7 Prc look bad. Doesn't make much sense to me.
@@johnnorman7708 haha no it’s not . They are putting the wrong velocities on boxes to sell ammo and rifles . The cartridge isn’t what it’s cracked up to be . That’s what’s going on . Weird that every other ammo company is very close to the advertised velocities but Hornady with the 7prc isn’t ? lol yeah ok it’s a powder shortage 😂
@@dankcincyexcept he’s hand loading it to max potential and it’s still behind a 7 mag
I’m gonna have to force myself to record my groups from my Mossberg seven PRC of course all rifles are different and conditions are different but I get near same hole groups or at least touching I’m shooting at 100 yards that’s the longest range I have near me but yeah
Glad your gun shoots well
@@ReloadingWeatherby same, I reload with H 4831SC as well it’s a solid powder for the PRC it seems. It is truly sad that Hornady had such a hard on for the 3000 ft./s claim it is a little disappointing lol
What type of rifling does the Mossberg have?
All 7prc rifles have Sammy spec of 1-8twist
@@eddielombera5862I wasn't asking about the twist rate
The time is near … brace yourself…the “ it’s because of the powder supply “ people are coming 😂
Do you have any evidence that that claim is incorrect? It’s coming straight from Horny’s mouth and powders actually are in low supply.
He hit the book numbers with H1000 … 2900 fps with 180’s … Before published load data, folks were hitting 2950-3200 depending on the powder without pressure signs. HCR test their custom rifles with factory ammo and you’ll be shocked at the velocities with 20, 22 and 24 inch barrels. Go give their channel some views.
Well, when you have several other manufacturers including hornady complaining about having a hard time getting it... yea, I'd say there's some legitimacy behind it. Especially since I was getting 2970fps on average in my 22" custom build when 7prc first dropped, I'd say 3000fps wasn't a stretch.
We get it, you have a room temperature IQ and don't realize there's a couple wars going on in the world that might affect supply of certain components. I'll get you a helmet.
If the worldwide gunpowder shortage is affecting Hornady's ability to source the powders that were keeping some of their cartridges smoking right along, then yeah we do have a crisis of supply beyond what we as hand loaders see on the shelf. I was hoping to at least try to find a pound of Alliant Reloder 26 for my .270, since I heard it was magic it that cartridge too.
BS. Hornady should state the velocity of the powder they are using on the box, not what it potentially could achieve with a different powder 😂
Haha gun powder shortage 😂😂😂 just stop
Imr 4350 worked great In my 270.
Really kinda wishing i would have gotten my rifle rechambered in a fast twist 300 wsm or winmag instead of 7prc. Oh well
virtually all of the Alliant powders are not instock, what's up with that?
Two wars... I assume
I’ve watched several videos on the 7PRC and I can honestly say that I have seen nothing that would make me get rid of my 7 rem mag to purchase one.
Other than making me see that getting a 7prc to replace a 7rem mag would be a downgrade. A real upgrade would be a 28 nosler with a 1-8 twist, which just I have! I did enjoy my 7rem mag though….
@@eddielombera5862 I agree, I also think the the 6.8 Western out performs the 7PRC.
🤭 How Long Before You Trade in This Rifle and Get Yourself a 280 AI or 30-06?
Not my rifle to trade in. Mossberg loaned it to me
@@ReloadingWeatherbyYou would think they would of made sure you got a good one.
@@ReloadingWeatherby 😁 Well, That Will Make It Easier to Part With! 🥳
@@ReloadingWeatherby 🕵♂ After You Get Your 340 WBY, What is the Next Cartridge That You Want to Try? 😯
what is the load for that 6.8 Western and 170 BVLD?
He is using N570
N570, 65 grains. Start around 60 and work up. I went off od Retumbo data as a comparison for the load.
@@GGReloading 8 pounds of that just arrived last week along with 8 pounds of N565. Hope to try them soon. Thank you
The 7PRC haters (mostly 6.8 western guys) are going to get more and more sore the more they realize hand-loading can make the 7PRC exactly what it was advertised to be. Yes, Horny’s factory ammo is having issues, but that can’t change the velocities people have gotten with hand loads.
6.8 Western fans? It's actually the 7mm Rem mag fans laughing at the 7mm PRC performance
I’ve seen a cohort of 6.8 western guys taking shots at it
Most hunter don’t hand load
Just buy the ammo & go hunting
Way too much mucking around reloading 👎🇦🇺
Wasn’t the argument that factory ammo gave you hand loaded performance in a 7prc? Of course hand loading gives you better results that factory but that’s true with any cartridge.
@peterluttgens3364 I agree, most hunters don’t hand load, but what the hand loads prove is that this factory ammo problem is fixable. Hopefully Horny comes through on that. Also, most hunters don’t buy custom barrels like 1-8 twist 7 rem mags but I’ve seen lots of people around here say the 7PRC is irrelevant because “you can get a 1-8twist 7 rem mag”
It will not. Hornady said the initial velocities on the box were with powders they cannot get so they changed powder and now it is ~175 fps slower. 7 REM Mag smokes it
I gave up on the 7mm Rem mag because it was so hard to find an accurate load, everything in 7mm PRC provides me with target accuracy
So Hornady is doing false advertising and tell people the numbers on the box is with a powder they are not loading it with? 😂 Do you have a source?
@@sinistersilverado965what rifle/barrel? You can't blame a caliber because you couldn't get it to shoot😂 the PRC's chamber is tighter than the rem mag, that's true
@@ChristianoMoego watch backfire. He did a video covering this topic. He pinned a comment detailing the powder shortage.
ruclips.net/video/crLE-3rQgrk/видео.htmlsi=KmKbVdeoLuveh1sj
As it sits, the 7 prc is underperforming to the point where all the claims that Hornady makes are straight lies.
They developed a cartridge to give buyers match grade performance, that would beat older cartridges. Now real world results are in. We were duped.
9:07 It's not faster than a RM, the PRC has smaller capacity. You can seat the same bullets in the RM brass, and with most barrels you can stabilize the heavier bullets especially at altitude. If you have a RM browning with an 8 twist, which is factory btw, your set for any 7mm bullet.
As 7prc owner, I wish I had just gotten the 7RM. Factory ammo from federal is about half the price. The whole "advantage" was out of the box, off the shelf high level performance. Those things just aren't there for the 7PRC.
And with more wars on the horizon, powder supply problem will probably not get better.
I think Hornady should print the actual numbers which looks like 2800ish. Honest business is always better than marketing hype that comes back and bites you once the truth is out.
@@ChristianoMoe I’ll see if I can find it. It was posted on another page after BackStop did his test calling them out. Apparently the numbers in the box are with RL26 which they can’t get so they had to go with something slower
To me the prc isn’t a gain at all over a regular 7 rem mag just another 7 mm caliber gun that almost duplicates a 7rem mag but with heavier bullets but not much heavier.
Yep
@@ReloadingWeatherby I still love watching you guys shoot, I like the 6.8 western, haven’t bought one yet but what I see is awesome. Although I have a good 270 Winchester, I wanna try the 165 accubonds in it like you did, don’t know what kind of accuracy I’ll get mines a mossberg patriot
If you had a fast twist Rem Mag and shot heavy bullets or of it, it would still out do the PRC.
@@ericthered7226if, if, if...That's the point of the PRC isn't it? There is no if. Well...not "no if" thanks to Hornady nurfing their ammo, but the point still stands I think.
Yeah, a custom a lot of things will out do a lot of things.
If you're going full custom, there's better options than a Rem Mag.
@@dankcincy , not custom. They're building fast twist 7 Rem Mags you can buy right over the counter. Just average Joe rifles. I know for a fact you buy a new 700 Remington with a 1:8. So, not if, if, if....
Want a 7rpm in a 6lug Weatherby.. sub 5lb backcountry
Good video i used 7828 in mine but u gotta push it
How’s the velocity?
Better... but not great
I have 79 model 700 7 mag. Bought it new. It shoots .5 at 100 Yrds. 175 Grain Bullets. Nothing new under the Sun Here
I would encourage everyone to be pragmatic about this. The PRC has the potential to be an excellent cartridge. It offers a more efficient cartridge design and can be loaded to tighter tolerances with heavy for caliber bullets. Even though we’re seeing velocities on par with 7RM out of factory offerings, handloading will quickly bridge that gap. We’re still getting 7RM velocities, and those are no joke. I’m pretty sure the animal won’t care. Right now I’m not inclined to plunk down a grand for a new rifle, as I’m not a PRC fanboi, but give it a year or two and I’m sure you’ll see the improvements you’re looking for. Hornady won’t be able to withstand the criticism and backlash, and continue to push the 7 PRC without fixing the powder/velocity issue.
If you're hand loading for both, the PRC is still sucking hind tit compared to the Rem Mag.
And thats it isn't it. The cartridge can do it. Other ammos are doing it and handliaders are doing it and more.
Mossberg loaned you a rifle and they gave you one that shoots 2moa. That’s pretty terrible haha
Rifles and compound bows...if they do not reach a certain velocity they are the goat! Lol
What do you think of the 7 PRC?
Good cartridge that has been extremely overhyped
3RBALLISTICS dropped a video a few hours ago shooting the Hornady, Federal, and Weatherby loadings
I saw it!
@@ReloadingWeatherby I haven't gotten a chance to watch it all yet, I got a phone call apart way through it
@@ReloadingWeatherby Didn't get 3k out of any of them did he?
That Federal did alright though.
Data point of one but yours, once you do it, will make two. 😁
@@ReloadingWeatherbyI talked to the smith today. He said that he will hand it off to the paint/cerakote department by the end of the week.
I'm hoping it will ship out next week!!!😁
@@dankcincy Congrats! Have fun with it!
Everyone talking about the 6.8 not taking off , go buy the 270 wsm. Done
It was nice seeing ur comment on hornady about the 6.8 western like my comment lol 😆
Had to troll them a little bit
Agreed not getting wat we paid them for on the box feels like nosler at 6 percent lol 😆
It's like mdt throwing a video up on 270 win vs 6.5 creedmoor not saying the 6.5 is bad I own one but says it's old news with browning releasing new twist rates on the 270 win with loading higher bc bullets that reloaders can do I left a fantastic comment on that one too saying basically stop trying to burn on old calibers that have been proven and stop trying to boost sales hornady 😂
We need to bust on hornady with the 6.5 prc vs the 6.8 western because the western spanks the 6.5 prc in foot pounds too higher bc
6.5 prc to think of comparison would probably be compared to the 6.5 x 284 norma is my guess have to do more research
Had a look at the 6.8 Western load data. Unless I'm missing something, it looks more in line with the 6.5 Prc, not the 7. Even the Hodgdon load data stops at the 175s with a max load at 2,883fps. It doesn't even break 3k unless you're maxing out with a 150gr. Best I can tell, the 175s are the heaviest you can get in box ammo as well with Browning's 175s claiming 2835fps.
Why is the 6.8 even coming up in a 7 Prc conversation?
If you stand on the 7mm PRC... it beats the 6.8 pretty easily. It's that 6.8 Western factory ammo outperforms the 7mm PRC factory ammo.
One last thing... all the 6.8 Western reloaders I talk to get better velocity than the books without going over max.
@@ReloadingWeatherby The Hornady factory ammo. That's the same point someone else just made. The Hornady ammo being low like it is brings the 6.8 into the conversation but if you reload or use a different ammo the 6.8 stays out of the conversation.
I was just looking at the Hodgdon 6.8 reloading data and at available box ammo. I have no doubt you can see different results real world.
What I didn't see was anything over the 175s. Do the guys you know push 180s and 190s like the 7 does?
So little bullet options for 6.8 Western. Another benefit for 7mm PRC. The highest b.c. bullet is the 170 gr EOL.
@@ReloadingWeatherby Just looked at Midway and Midsouth and it seems that 175s are the heaviest you can get in .277?
@@ReloadingWeatherby .662? Is that the one you're talking about?
Lol when you discount 25% of your shots as flyers every gun shoot great groups. 😂
Yeah... he has some more load development to do to get more consistency.
Has anyone ever seen a 7 PRC shoot 3000 fps.
H1000 with a 180 books at 2900…… w/67.4 …… interesting you hit 2900 with 68. Conspiracy is dead 🤣
I've always said my rifle is slow
Looks like the 270 win isn't as fudd as yall thought 😂 fast twist 270 looks like it could beat the 7prc
Yep
Fierce rifles suck. Carbon wrapp barrel are cheap and cracks . For the money buy something else.
Say the line PRC fanboys! 😂
Hi Dungeon
@@ReloadingWeatherby 👋
As always really appreciate your vids. Hopefully the comments are gentler now that more evidence is surfacing!
@dungeontales8117 Don’t look at the reloading numbers 7 rem mag fanboy, it’ll twist those panties right up!
@@oblivionpro69 I'm no 7 mag fanboy... reality is often disappointing
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@@oblivionpro69 lol 😆
Also I own a 7PRC. And so far, I'm very disappointed.
It’s not the caliber… it’s the rifle. They suck
The Fierce doesn't suck
over priced 308
It's junk....lol😅😅😅
It's slow.as fxxxk😅😅