Excellent thought provoking video that I agree with 100%. I’ll be 68 next week and while I love power and the great rumbling sound that a Harley with after market exhausts, etc., I have never done more than a Stage One on any of my bikes. I’ve got all the power I need and your comment about skill level rings true. I had a younger man (non rider) ask me a couple of weeks ago if my bike would do the 120 mph shown on the speedometer and my reply was “not with me on it.” Like the old saying goes, “Never ride faster than your angels can fly.” By the way, I love the sound of your Road King. Great video. Keep them coming.
We spend entirely too much money on our bikes, but it’s so much damn fun to do. Stock bikes now with the 114 have plenty of power but we have an addiction.
You make a great point about skill level. I recorded a video almost on this topic just yesterday. Yes, take those freebies and make some awesome upgrade videos for Duke!
I'm a huge performance upgrade fan. I didn't have to do much to the Wing but on any Harley or v-twin I would. Just a basic stage 1 is good for most folks... I'm of the mind of do as much as you like and get the power you want! Great topic.
I have two bikes with Twin Cam 103 engines. I don’t look for ultimate performance from my bikes but I did install new bolt in cams,cam plates and high volume oil pumps (all S&S) 8:42 that were more conducive to my riding style and gave the bikes the lope and sound that I prefer. I have also installed better breathing air cleaners and after market exhaust. That’s enough for me other than some cosmetic or comfort upgrades. The rest of the money that I will be sinking into them will just be maintenance costs to keep them rideable and reliable. It’s all I need from these bikes and I’ve been owning Harleys for 40 years, never needed 140+ horsepower.
Totally get that and I think many folks fall for the let me do more even though I really don't need it. I worry that too many people put more performance on that they have the skills set for. As I get older, think I am getting a little wiser but I want it just for me like you mentioned. Ride safe!
@@BoDean52 Yeah, I hear you. I’m 61 so I no longer feel the need to test myself. Plus there are more drivers/cars on the road these days and more distractions like cell phones. I had my days rippin’ up and down the highways but now I just cruise. Stay safe and keep the shiny side up brother.
Not sure I would go to a big build on my engines. Maybe a cam would be ok...but not even sure about that. I have done full stage 1 on two of the three bikes. Nice upgrade in terms of reduced heat, more sound output, and a bit more power and torque (8-12%) In the end, riding skill to me is more important. Id rather be able to do a 18 foot figure 8 on a bagger in a parking lot flawlessly or balance that bike at 1 or 2 miles per hour without putting a foot down, than show how fast I can go. My 2 cents...Ride safe and enjoy the ride.
Depends on your goals. Seems like most of the HD’s that exceed 80,000 without a rebuild were either stock or stage 1. OTOH some bar hoppers don’t put 1,000 miles on a year.
See, you hit the nail on the head right there. My skill level right now matches quite nicely with the performance level of my bikes. I would much rather put any disposable income I have to spend on them into comfort and owner satisfaction upgrades.
Interesting topic. I would say from an years of observation and being around motorcycles, skill level seldom matches the ability of the machine. I include myself in this, my bikes can go way further than I will push them. I am planing to do the exhaust on the Pan Am, simply because it removes weight and a heat source near the R foot. If I where to own a regular HD I would get a stage one and a tune and call it a day. One thing everyone forgets to add is better brakes, wanna go faster you need to upgrade the brakes. It is like you said and I say the same, its your money do what you want with it. Motorcycles are the ultimate rabbit hole for pouring money into.
My 02 Twin-Cam 88 Electra Glide with carburetor has been upgraded with Stage 1 and recently Stage 2. I did a complete cam chest rebuild knowing I would have to replace the cam tensioner shoes at some point in the near future. So I took the plunge and rebuilt the entire thing. Honestly, moving to a stage 1 & 2 are the best bang for the buck on a TC88. I get more than enough performance now, especially when cruising on the highways. The GoldWing on the other hand is a big beautiful rocket. I have to really watch my speed because overall, she’s so smooth.
I bought a new bike recently and it's just bars, seat, slips ons, and doodads. Not messing with the engine this time. Might even get the extended warranty this time!
You bring up a great point about skill levels. Training should be ongoing and will make the risks go down a bit as you would know how to handle the emergency situation way before it occurs. More power could be argued to be a safety related as it would let you take off quicker if you needed to lol. I think some upgrades improve the reliability like the upgraded oil pumps and cam bearing. Really hard to say when enough is enough sometimes.
Have a 103 in my Lowrider, exhaust, Mustang seat,Grips and Air filter, FP3 tuner, and saddlebags, LED's all around ,but thats makes its my own style bike. Love your RK its sharp.thanks for the video
I would be lying if I said I didn't want more power/torque!....I do have a stage 1 done!....but age and my job are making some seals and gaskets weak...the joints just don't perform like they use to!...so I'm a big fan of comfort/safety upgrades!...that's where I dumped most of my money!😉👍...great video...thanks for the ride along....stay safe...ride safe!!😎👍🤙👍🤙🇨🇦
My Twin cam 88 is enough...I'm not running any races or trying to break any speed records...it'll roll down the highway at 80 all day long & still has passing power if I need it...that's all I require, so we're good...only engine upgrades I want to do is cam gears & bigger oil pump...aside from that, it's just fine...
Well here I go again, 2021 RG limited and promised to myself not to do a cam swap on this bike. Actually with the stage 1 she runs great and so Friday going in for the headpipe cam change etc. and yes I just like that extra bump in performance. Does it make sense to continue to spend, well for me my Harley’s are what I enjoy ( 46 years of HD) Hell looking at Medicare in 3 months so Screw it let’s ride.
I just traded a ‘13 Boulevard C50T for a ‘17 Ultra Limited with the M8 107. The previous owner had already installed SVT Boneshakers exhaust, upgraded the wheels and front brakes. I’ve added a jiffy stand extension, split-vision mirrors (based upon one of your videos), and Custom Dynamics Fillerz lights on the back. My final “Upgrade” will be a backrest for me.
As you may remember, I’ve got a 98 FXSTC Softail Custom with 50K+ miles that’s pretty much stock. It has a Stage 1, breather, exhaust, bars and a bit more chrome. I’m perfectly happy with that 24 y/o 88” EVO. I decided to get a touring bike and purchased a new 2006 RoadKing Classic. I only did a Stage 1 to that bike. The usual, breather, exhaust, bars and a Sundowner saddle. I had it set up just to my liking. The power and performance was enough with the TC88” I had put 80K+ miles on that bike before I was unfortunately rear ended and the bike was totaled. My replacement bike was a new 2017 Street Glide Special. With a 107” M8 the power was plenty. Then the itch, I wanted a “Hot Rod!! So, I had my son do a Stage 4. I’m pretty certain I’ll keep this bike since at almost 65, I just want to ride. Use what would/could be upgrade money into travel money. I guess you could say, I’m sobering up from the upgrade addiction….. 👍
On my baggers over the years. I do safety and comfort mods 1st. Next set of slip ons for a little Harley sound. I have always left my motors stock I am not racing them. all motor upgrades do in my opinion is eat more fuel. However on my 2020 Road Glide LTD I did put a fuelpak 3 on it. Let's see how that works. 3 stock items that always sucked on my baggers. 1. seat. 2. suspension 3. sound system. I always upgraded 1 & 2 #3., I can live without. I rarely do cosmetic upgrades I have done a few over the past 30 years. I do very long trips so comfort and safety is where i put my money . I still have my 1st Harley 1992 FXSTC bought it new for my birthday. The motor is still stock never had any issues. Now this bike is all about how pretty she is. Still the original paint and it is flawless. however the rest of the bike is custom.
My 17 RK had 2100 miles and stage1 when I bought it. I liked the beefed up sound and it was a selling point (saves me from doing mufflers!) So I did a couple things like cool derby cover and grips ANd the latest for only $48 on Amazon a set of chrome covers for the back rest docking harbour! Now for some unknown reason the Torque is through the roof hell I can barely hang on!! Probly wind resistance thing (scientifical) So! ya, that's pretty much all I gotta say bout that. Take care bro, ride safe!
Road Kings are such sweet bikes. Mine came with a stage one as well with some create pipes. Really haven’t done much at all with it but love riding the king
When I bought my 2005 Ultra I had the Stage 1 upgrade my wife and I and hated the Screaming eagle exhaust. Could hardly talk when we rode. But when I traded it in for my 2019 Limited I kept the stock exhaust and we love it. The only "upgrade " that I did was the fueling Vented dipstick and I might be crazy but my seat of the pants is telling me that my bike it is much quicker.
🛑🛑 I did a Stage 4 Upgrade on my CVO Ultra Limited. I like the power and torque numbers the bike can now deliver; especially over the road when doing 2 up riding. That being said, I’ve seen some “monster numbers” coming out of a Harley 114 with just a Cam Change. My son in law has a 114. He just put an S&S 475 Cam in and Tune..he is now getting 115 HP and 123 PDs of Torque. 😀👍 I was always that guy, that said “never opened that nut because once the nut it’s alway open”, but now a days if Harley does the work; you get another years warranty. 💯😀👍 The 114 Milwaukee 8 is very, very receptive to a Cam Change, that will cost a a few Grand $$, but the performance upgrade is substantial. BoDean…to your point, 60 miles an hour, is 60 miles an hour no matter how fast you get there 🤔💯.
@@BoDean52 Correct… when I did the Stage 4 Kit, I got another years warranty out of Harley. You would like the upgrades you can do to a 114. Just a Cam Switch will change your Performance Torque and Horsepower. Your Butt Dyno, and your riding with 2 up, is much more enjoyable and satisfying. 😀👍
I would wager to guess that 99 out the 100 bikes have some sort of performance upgrade on them. The EPA has put the clamps on the MoCo so your stock bike is pretty lean from the get go. Most folks just do a stage 1 or 2 and be done with it. Just a guess on my part though so take it with a grain of salt. Eric
Well think a lot of us think like Tim the Tool Man more power uuug uuuug lol. Personally I be happy with just a stage one, my Twin 88 has plenty of power for my riding style. I did change the bags on my RKC but still kept the leather bags so if wanted to put it back to stock and I changed the mirrors. she already came with lots of chrome addons when I bought her though.
I think for me the improvements I made have been worth it. For an air-cooled Harley after upgrades, the bike runs cooler sounds good and comfort for my back. Hopefully, that adds years to the motor and dependability on the road. Let's ride 🇺🇸🐾🍻
Each to their own, however I believe that given speed limits etc it is rare when we can consistently run at higher speeds… and why would we need to anyway? I have a Stage 2 on my 2020 Street Glide Special with a 114ci, custom headers and pipes, and that’s plenty of power for me. If you’re a classic cruising type of rider then anything beyond that is not required, in my opinion. ✌️
Stock? What does that mean? 😂 I got a CVO thinking I would keep the mods to a minimum, Ha! 2 years in and I’m still making mods. I do think a stage 2 is the right balance of investment $/Return(power increase).
With more power the chassis has to be able to handle the power...Either with old tech chassis it needs to be upgraded with aftermarket...Or with a new Bike the chassis should be new tech...
Well a year after this video was posted because I just found it. I’ll share my opinion. Personally I’m a rider not a street racer I actually prefer a nice leisurely ride on back country roads @ 40 miles an hour and for that I don’t need 140 hp motorcycle even on the interstate I don’t exceed the speed limit and I’d rather not even go that fast. It’s not from fear that I choose to ride slower it’s simply because I enjoy taking my time and for that reason I mostly ride alone. I wish that wasn’t the case but most people feel the need to display speed when riding motorcycles just because you can doesn’t mean you have to. In my opinion factory stock Harley’s are plenty powerful enough. My young self would disagree with my now self but then I’m not him now
Also finding this post late but I am pretty much as you. My 05 Roadking 21000 miles has a stage 1 kit done by it,s previous owner. It has all the power I need as I am approaching 70yo now.. I ride conservatively and am a lone wolf too.I Iike the idea that my RK is pretty near stock and running great, looking great after nearly 20 years.
Excellent video. How I look at it is this - how do you like the bike? Do you feel good riding it? Are you happy with the performance of the bike? Can you pass a truck when you need to? If the bike is meeting those parameters why spend the money? Save the money and enjoy the ride!
I’ve been completely satisfied with my stock (TC96) ‘07 Road King. 2 up, loaded with camping gear, in the mountains, on the interstate, whatever… never have I felt I needed more power. I had a CVO Road Glide with a TC110. Yeah it had more power but really it wasn’t “that” noticeable. But then I’ve never been into “performance” type riding. So…. How was the Windy9? Any more ride videos coming out? Was it worth the travel days and miles to get there and back? The videos I’ve seen so far make me think southwest Wisconsin might be as good or better, and for me at least, quite a bit closer.
It was totally worth it Craig and there will be the first video out this Thursday. We made some amazing memories and had some crazy obstacles, many times I said what could go wrong
I may get a better intake, tune the carb, and get a better exhaust, and call it good. If I want more power than that, I would purchase a bike that has the performance out of the box. However, I am not out to be the fastest bike at the drag strip, or to see how fast I can get a ticket, or become the biggest stain on the road. I would actually prefer comfort upgrades to make the rides longer than trying to go faster. Take care, ride safe.
So many of these bikes get everything done to them except getting ridden...save the money and time and go wear out some tires, and get some more and then go wear them out,too. Wear the bike out and then get another ...
Well, definitely a Stage 1 for the sound. With a tune the performance will be a little better. Other than that, maybe a cam that will increase low end torque. Otherwise, NO.
You refer to mirrors and seats as performance upgrades. I don’t, those are just making the bike fit you. Besides the stage 1 I really don’t think much more is needed. If I used my motorcycle more for say work transportation maybe I would get in the engine but as I don’t, it is hard to justify the expense in my head.
Thanks Ron and not really what I meant, was speaking to performance upgrades to make the bike faster that doesn’t match skill level. Sometimes I lose focus 😂
Other than pipes, air cleaner, and a tuner. Upgrades are not necessary for the mere mortal. That having been said there is a distinct difference between necessity and desire. I would never deign to tell someone how to spend their hard earned scratch. In a nutshell the bikes are very capable in stock trim but that really isn't why we buy them is it.
I like high engine performance.... in fact, I don't feel like my Victory has enough(as a professionally tuned "stage 2" engine). That said, I wouldn't do anything more to the engine, because I don't feel its suspension and brakes are up to handling anymore power. On the other side of the fence, the Husky scares me 😱... As a dirt bike, it has plenty of suspension and braking capability for its fire breathing lil' engine...I'm the weak link in that chain, off-road at my skillz level, I have to respect the Husky's power or it will get me over my head very quickly.
@@BoDean52 Too me this is a very important point. On most big tourers and cruisers the suspension & brakes are barely adequate for stock...Start adding big engine power without accounting for improved handling and stopping is a recipe for disaster.
In today's 🌎 all that "people" care is about speed know! Forgetting what Riding is all about in a "Bike" to be able to stop anywhere where cars can't, this self gratification on the spot is taking Humanity into and endless spiral of empty feelings, some motorcycles are ment to go smoothly while one can enjoy the landscape others Mayority R speed one way to end one's 🎫 for a "Pine box", more so in today's driving habits of persons that should not have a driver's license. I prefer slow , how ever Some speed is good but too much tech takes the Fun away. Just my humble opinion. Ride for the Enjoyment that's what I would say. Ride to your dreams 😉💯🖖
I totally agree with you, I like the power more than anybody but I wonder if some people are putting bikes together That don’t have a skills for all of that
@@BoDean52 that's the Thing With Speed and the Shifting if a Machine needs to do it for you why in. hell do you want to go Light speed 100 Mill. hr When the thrill of going on a real curb on a 10 speed no sound other than your hard breeding pushing it to the limit if you miss it's only pieces of your skin.. ouch 🤕 been there done that a trust me at slower speed on a bicycle 10 speed the fall is more likely to brake your 🦴 but on a Motorcycle that at slow speed it's safer you ride sly it or make your self a rolling canon ball When and idiot get in front of you. So yes I agree in this with you what I like in speed can only get it on a Track that's how one proves it self other than that give. Me the thrill of riding Old School thank you !!!
I’ve owned over 20 Harley’s. I’m old. Also every other brand. In no way does Harley have any performance power. A 600 Yamaha has more performance. I own my Harley’s for cruising. That’s it. My zx14 for speed and performance. My Indian and Harley for cruising and rallies.
Excellent thought provoking video that I agree with 100%. I’ll be 68 next week and while I love power and the great rumbling sound that a Harley with after market exhausts, etc., I have never done more than a Stage One on any of my bikes. I’ve got all the power I need and your comment about skill level rings true. I had a younger man (non rider) ask me a couple of weeks ago if my bike would do the 120 mph shown on the speedometer and my reply was “not with me on it.” Like the old saying goes, “Never ride faster than your angels can fly.” By the way, I love the sound of your Road King. Great video. Keep them coming.
Thanks a ton Ernie that means a lot. I guess it a certain age we all check our egos, I know I became happier when I did mine. Ride safe
Love your show it’s my favourite. You keep it fun and entertaining.
Appreciate that Trevor
There is a difference between need and want. It all really depends on personal preference. It's all up to the owner.
Totally agree
We spend entirely too much money on our bikes, but it’s so much damn fun to do. Stock bikes now with the 114 have plenty of power but we have an addiction.
Do we still have the addiction if we don’t go to the class?
You make a great point about skill level. I recorded a video almost on this topic just yesterday. Yes, take those freebies and make some awesome upgrade videos for Duke!
Thanks my friend I look forward to seeing you soon
I'm a huge performance upgrade fan. I didn't have to do much to the Wing but on any Harley or v-twin I would. Just a basic stage 1 is good for most folks... I'm of the mind of do as much as you like and get the power you want! Great topic.
Probably go to a stage II at most. Hope you and the family are well
I have two bikes with Twin Cam 103 engines. I don’t look for ultimate performance from my bikes but I did install new bolt in cams,cam plates and high volume oil pumps (all S&S) 8:42 that were more conducive to my riding style and gave the bikes the lope and sound that I prefer. I have also installed better breathing air cleaners and after market exhaust. That’s enough for me other than some cosmetic or comfort upgrades. The rest of the money that I will be sinking into them will just be maintenance costs to keep them rideable and reliable. It’s all I need from these bikes and I’ve been owning Harleys for 40 years, never needed 140+ horsepower.
Totally get that and I think many folks fall for the let me do more even though I really don't need it. I worry that too many people put more performance on that they have the skills set for. As I get older, think I am getting a little wiser but I want it just for me like you mentioned. Ride safe!
@@BoDean52 Yeah, I hear you. I’m 61 so I no longer feel the need to test myself. Plus there are more drivers/cars on the road these days and more distractions like cell phones. I had my days rippin’ up and down the highways but now I just cruise. Stay safe and keep the shiny side up brother.
Not sure I would go to a big build on my engines. Maybe a cam would be ok...but not even sure about that. I have done full stage 1 on two of the three bikes. Nice upgrade in terms of reduced heat, more sound output, and a bit more power and torque (8-12%) In the end, riding skill to me is more important. Id rather be able to do a 18 foot figure 8 on a bagger in a parking lot flawlessly or balance that bike at 1 or 2 miles per hour without putting a foot down, than show how fast I can go. My 2 cents...Ride safe and enjoy the ride.
Amen and I totally agree with that
I own a 21 Street Glide with a 107 ci.
More than enough power for me.
Get that
Love your videos. Harley guys could end world hunger if we used our money providing meals to the less fortunate instead of buying "upgrades "
Amen to that my friend
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Depends on your goals. Seems like most of the HD’s that exceed 80,000 without a rebuild were either stock or stage 1. OTOH some bar hoppers don’t put 1,000 miles on a year.
Don’t understand why people buy motorcycles and don’t ride them but whatever works for them
See, you hit the nail on the head right there. My skill level right now matches quite nicely with the performance level of my bikes. I would much rather put any disposable income I have to spend on them into comfort and owner satisfaction upgrades.
That makes so much sense to me!
Interesting topic. I would say from an years of observation and being around motorcycles, skill level seldom matches the ability of the machine. I include myself in this, my bikes can go way further than I will push them.
I am planing to do the exhaust on the Pan Am, simply because it removes weight and a heat source near the R foot. If I where to own a regular HD I would get a stage one and a tune and call it a day. One thing everyone forgets to add is better brakes, wanna go faster you need to upgrade the brakes. It is like you said and I say the same, its your money do what you want with it.
Motorcycles are the ultimate rabbit hole for pouring money into.
Can’t wait to see ya and ride friend. They are costly but there is always a boat
My 02 Twin-Cam 88 Electra Glide with carburetor has been upgraded with Stage 1 and recently Stage 2. I did a complete cam chest rebuild knowing I would have to replace the cam tensioner shoes at some point in the near future. So I took the plunge and rebuilt the entire thing. Honestly, moving to a stage 1 & 2 are the best bang for the buck on a TC88. I get more than enough performance now, especially when cruising on the highways.
The GoldWing on the other hand is a big beautiful rocket. I have to really watch my speed because overall, she’s so smooth.
So many people love their Wings!
I bought a new bike recently and it's just bars, seat, slips ons, and doodads. Not messing with the engine this time. Might even get the extended warranty this time!
I can definitely understand that James, I actually did the extended warranty this time
You bring up a great point about skill levels. Training should be ongoing and will make the risks go down a bit as you would know how to handle the emergency situation way before it occurs. More power could be argued to be a safety related as it would let you take off quicker if you needed to lol. I think some upgrades improve the reliability like the upgraded oil pumps and cam bearing. Really hard to say when enough is enough sometimes.
Totally agree on timing and especially the practice
Stage 2 is plenty on a 114. It gives u the awesome Harley sound and gives u some very usable power and torque.
Totally agree and I suspect that’s where I will end up
@@BoDean52 I'm very happy with my stage 2. It's making 115hp and 128lbs of torque
Have a 103 in my Lowrider, exhaust, Mustang seat,Grips and Air filter, FP3 tuner, and saddlebags, LED's all around ,but thats makes its my own style bike. Love your RK its sharp.thanks for the video
You are all set up and I loved when I had my FP3 on my ultra
I would be lying if I said I didn't want more power/torque!....I do have a stage 1 done!....but age and my job are making some seals and gaskets weak...the joints just don't perform like they use to!...so I'm a big fan of comfort/safety upgrades!...that's where I dumped most of my money!😉👍...great video...thanks for the ride along....stay safe...ride safe!!😎👍🤙👍🤙🇨🇦
I guess at some point we should stop, but I just don’t wanna
My Twin cam 88 is enough...I'm not running any races or trying to break any speed records...it'll roll down the highway at 80 all day long & still has passing power if I need it...that's all I require, so we're good...only engine upgrades I want to do is cam gears & bigger oil pump...aside from that, it's just fine...
Totally agree and keeping this bike as is, ride safe
I’m leaving my twin cam 88 motor stock aside from the tensioners but it has nice suspension etc
I had my tensioners checked about 2000 miles ago and they were in pretty good shape
Well here I go again, 2021 RG limited and promised to myself not to do a cam swap on this bike. Actually with the stage 1 she runs great and so Friday going in for the headpipe cam change etc. and yes I just like that extra bump in performance. Does it make sense to continue to spend, well for me my Harley’s are what I enjoy ( 46 years of HD) Hell looking at Medicare in 3 months so Screw it let’s ride.
I love it! You have to let me know how you like it because if I go any further that will be it
I just traded a ‘13 Boulevard C50T for a ‘17 Ultra Limited with the M8 107. The previous owner had already installed SVT Boneshakers exhaust, upgraded the wheels and front brakes. I’ve added a jiffy stand extension, split-vision mirrors (based upon one of your videos), and Custom Dynamics Fillerz lights on the back. My final “Upgrade” will be a backrest for me.
You sound like you have your ultra perfect and you will love the back rest. Glad you like the mirrors, so many people have them now
As you may remember, I’ve got a 98 FXSTC Softail Custom with 50K+ miles that’s pretty much stock. It has a Stage 1, breather, exhaust, bars and a bit more chrome. I’m perfectly happy with that 24 y/o 88” EVO.
I decided to get a touring bike and purchased a new 2006 RoadKing Classic. I only did a Stage 1 to that bike. The usual, breather, exhaust, bars and a Sundowner saddle. I had it set up just to my liking. The power and performance was enough with the TC88” I had put 80K+ miles on that bike before I was unfortunately rear ended and the bike was totaled.
My replacement bike was a new 2017 Street Glide Special. With a 107” M8 the power was plenty. Then the itch, I wanted a “Hot Rod!! So, I had my son do a Stage 4. I’m pretty certain I’ll keep this bike since at almost 65, I just want to ride. Use what would/could be upgrade money into travel money.
I guess you could say, I’m sobering up from the upgrade addiction….. 👍
It’s a real challenge is net, most days I’m like OK that’s enough. Then the next morning I’m like let’s roll with changes 😂
@@BoDean52 😂👍🤣
On my baggers over the years. I do safety and comfort mods 1st. Next set of slip ons for a little Harley sound. I have always left my motors stock I am not racing them. all motor upgrades do in my opinion is eat more fuel. However on my 2020 Road Glide LTD I did put a fuelpak 3 on it. Let's see how that works. 3 stock items that always sucked on my baggers. 1. seat. 2. suspension 3. sound system. I always upgraded 1 & 2 #3., I can live without. I rarely do cosmetic upgrades I have done a few over the past 30 years. I do very long trips so comfort and safety is where i put my money . I still have my 1st Harley 1992 FXSTC bought it new for my birthday. The motor is still stock never had any issues. Now this bike is all about how pretty she is. Still the original paint and it is flawless. however the rest of the bike is custom.
Sounds like you got a really solid plan. I did like the FP3 when I put it on my ultra limited
My 17 RK had 2100 miles and stage1 when I bought it. I liked the beefed up sound and it was a selling point (saves me from doing mufflers!) So I did a couple things like cool derby cover and grips ANd the latest for only $48 on Amazon a set of chrome covers for the back rest docking harbour! Now for some unknown reason the Torque is through the roof hell I can barely hang on!! Probly wind resistance thing (scientifical) So! ya, that's pretty much all I gotta say bout that. Take care bro, ride safe!
Road Kings are such sweet bikes. Mine came with a stage one as well with some create pipes. Really haven’t done much at all with it but love riding the king
When I bought my 2005 Ultra I had the Stage 1 upgrade my wife and I and hated the Screaming eagle exhaust. Could hardly talk when we rode. But when I traded it in for my 2019 Limited I kept the stock exhaust and we love it. The only "upgrade " that I did was the fueling Vented dipstick and I might be crazy but my seat of the pants is telling me that my bike it is much quicker.
Never a fan either of the Screaming Eagle, cobra guy here
🛑🛑 I did a Stage 4 Upgrade on my CVO Ultra Limited. I like the power and torque numbers the bike can now deliver; especially over the road when doing 2 up riding.
That being said, I’ve seen some “monster numbers” coming out of a Harley 114 with just a Cam Change.
My son in law has a 114.
He just put an S&S 475 Cam in and Tune..he is now getting 115 HP and 123 PDs of Torque. 😀👍
I was always that guy, that said “never opened that nut because once the nut it’s alway open”, but now a days if Harley does the work; you get another years warranty. 💯😀👍
The 114 Milwaukee 8 is very, very receptive to a Cam Change, that will cost a a few Grand $$, but the performance upgrade is substantial.
BoDean…to your point, 60 miles an hour, is 60 miles an hour no matter how fast you get there 🤔💯.
That is true and with my new bike if I had to do anything more I would do it at the dealership
@@BoDean52
Correct… when I did the Stage 4 Kit, I got another years warranty out of Harley.
You would like the upgrades you can do to a 114. Just a Cam Switch will change your Performance Torque and Horsepower.
Your Butt Dyno, and your riding with 2 up, is much more enjoyable and satisfying. 😀👍
I would wager to guess that 99 out the 100 bikes have some sort of performance upgrade on them. The EPA has put the clamps on the MoCo so your stock bike is pretty lean from the get go. Most folks just do a stage 1 or 2 and be done with it. Just a guess on my part though so take it with a grain of salt. Eric
Totally get that and I have been a stage one guy maybe I’ll do stage 2 one day
Well think a lot of us think like Tim the Tool Man more power uuug uuuug lol. Personally I be happy with just a stage one, my Twin 88 has plenty of power for my riding style. I did change the bags on my RKC but still kept the leather bags so if wanted to put it back to stock and I changed the mirrors. she already came with lots of chrome addons when I bought her though.
I doubt that I will want to run the bike without the current bags but I think it’ll be good to show people options
@@BoDean52 if was not my only bike I probably stay with the leather, but she my only one and plan on long distant trips with her.
I think for me the improvements I made have been worth it. For an air-cooled Harley after upgrades, the bike runs cooler sounds good and comfort for my back. Hopefully, that adds years to the motor and dependability on the road. Let's ride 🇺🇸🐾🍻
I will tell you that with this new 21 road glide, it runs pretty hot with the cat in it
Each to their own, however I believe that given speed limits etc it is rare when we can consistently run at higher speeds… and why would we need to anyway?
I have a Stage 2 on my 2020 Street Glide Special with a 114ci, custom headers and pipes, and that’s plenty of power for me.
If you’re a classic cruising type of rider then anything beyond that is not required, in my opinion. ✌️
I totally agree and bad that I will end up the same as you
Stock? What does that mean? 😂 I got a CVO thinking I would keep the mods to a minimum, Ha! 2 years in and I’m still making mods. I do think a stage 2 is the right balance of investment $/Return(power increase).
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Stock is what we see in the dealership before we take it home 😂
@@BoDean52 oh yeah. Thx for reminder. Lol
Yes, the faster the better 😁
You’re not encouraging me to stop friend 😂
With more power the chassis has to be able to handle the power...Either with old tech chassis it needs to be upgraded with aftermarket...Or with a new Bike the chassis should be new tech...
It’s a good point especially with these really powerful builds, is the rest of the bike ready for it?
@@BoDean52 Its like the old hotrods..If you just built up the engine and didnt build up the rest of the hotrod....Your were in trouble
Well a year after this video was posted because I just found it. I’ll share my opinion. Personally I’m a rider not a street racer I actually prefer a nice leisurely ride on back country roads @ 40 miles an hour and for that I don’t need 140 hp motorcycle even on the interstate I don’t exceed the speed limit and I’d rather not even go that fast. It’s not from fear that I choose to ride slower it’s simply because I enjoy taking my time and for that reason I mostly ride alone. I wish that wasn’t the case but most people feel the need to display speed when riding motorcycles just because you can doesn’t mean you have to. In my opinion factory stock Harley’s are plenty powerful enough. My young self would disagree with my now self but then I’m not him now
Understand for sure. My touring bike does have some of those mods but my Road King will not be touched. Ride on
Also finding this post late but I am pretty much as you. My 05 Roadking 21000 miles has a stage 1 kit done by it,s previous owner. It has all the power I need as I am approaching 70yo now.. I ride conservatively and am a lone wolf too.I Iike the idea that my RK is pretty near stock and running great, looking great after nearly 20 years.
Excellent video. How I look at it is this - how do you like the bike? Do you feel good riding it? Are you happy with the performance of the bike? Can you pass a truck when you need to? If the bike is meeting those parameters why spend the money? Save the money and enjoy the ride!
Hard to disagree with that mentality!
I’ve been completely satisfied with my stock (TC96) ‘07 Road King. 2 up, loaded with camping gear, in the mountains, on the interstate, whatever… never have I felt I needed more power. I had a CVO Road Glide with a TC110. Yeah it had more power but really it wasn’t “that” noticeable. But then I’ve never been into “performance” type riding.
So…. How was the Windy9? Any more ride videos coming out? Was it worth the travel days and miles to get there and back? The videos I’ve seen so far make me think southwest Wisconsin might be as good or better, and for me at least, quite a bit closer.
I honestly think the TC96 is one of the most solid performing engines Harley made. You can’t go wrong with that engine.
It was totally worth it Craig and there will be the first video out this Thursday. We made some amazing memories and had some crazy obstacles, many times I said what could go wrong
We can rebuild him. Make him better, stronger, faster than ever before. 6 million dollar build
I miss that show! 😂
I may get a better intake, tune the carb, and get a better exhaust, and call it good.
If I want more power than that, I would purchase a bike that has the performance out of the box. However, I am not out to be the fastest bike at the drag strip, or to see how fast I can get a ticket, or become the biggest stain on the road. I would actually prefer comfort upgrades to make the rides longer than trying to go faster.
Take care, ride safe.
Very well said Paul
So many of these bikes get everything done to them except getting ridden...save the money and time and go wear out some tires, and get some more and then go wear them out,too. Wear the bike out and then get another ...
Always about riding
Mate how good does the light look bouncing of your chrome front end (Beautiful)
Thanks and I noticed that too, I mean love this bike too much. It’s kind of weird 😂
Are you using a disco filter in the editing software to achieve that look at the front of your bike? 😉😂
It's a ball that hangs over the bike :). HAHA...sometimes the light just shines right. I mean it is the KING!
@@BoDean52 certainly is! ✌️
Well, definitely a Stage 1 for the sound. With a tune the performance will be a little better. Other than that, maybe a cam that will increase low end torque. Otherwise, NO.
Yep we will see if I do the Cam or not but I agree with you
You refer to mirrors and seats as performance upgrades. I don’t, those are just making the bike fit you.
Besides the stage 1 I really don’t think much more is needed. If I used my motorcycle more for say work transportation maybe I would get in the engine but as I don’t, it is hard to justify the expense in my head.
Thanks Ron and not really what I meant, was speaking to performance upgrades to make the bike faster that doesn’t match skill level. Sometimes I lose focus 😂
Other than pipes, air cleaner, and a tuner. Upgrades are not necessary for the mere mortal. That having been said there is a distinct difference between necessity and desire. I would never deign to tell someone how to spend their hard earned scratch. In a nutshell the bikes are very capable in stock trim but that really isn't why we buy them is it.
Well said my friend, especially about the mortal part
I like high engine performance.... in fact, I don't feel like my Victory has enough(as a professionally tuned "stage 2" engine). That said, I wouldn't do anything more to the engine, because I don't feel its suspension and brakes are up to handling anymore power.
On the other side of the fence, the Husky scares me 😱... As a dirt bike, it has plenty of suspension and braking capability for its fire breathing lil' engine...I'm the weak link in that chain, off-road at my skillz level, I have to respect the Husky's power or it will get me over my head very quickly.
That’s actually a great point. I’ve seen a lot of these guys that have gone further with their bikes and the rest of the bike was not built for it
@@BoDean52 Too me this is a very important point. On most big tourers and cruisers the suspension & brakes are barely adequate for stock...Start adding big engine power without accounting for improved handling and stopping is a recipe for disaster.
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Thanks D
I am probably in the minority. No engine performance upgrades for me. I do have the 114 in my Ultra. That is more than enough for this old timer.
Nothing wrong with that I say!
In today's 🌎 all that "people" care is about speed know! Forgetting what Riding is all about in a "Bike" to be able to stop anywhere where cars can't, this self gratification on the spot is taking Humanity into and endless spiral of empty feelings, some motorcycles are ment to go smoothly while one can enjoy the landscape others Mayority R speed one way to end one's 🎫 for a "Pine box", more so in today's driving habits of persons that should not have a driver's license.
I prefer slow , how ever
Some speed is good but too much tech takes the Fun away.
Just my humble opinion. Ride for the Enjoyment that's what I would say.
Ride to your dreams 😉💯🖖
I totally agree with you, I like the power more than anybody but I wonder if some people are putting bikes together That don’t have a skills for all of that
@@BoDean52 that's the Thing With Speed and the Shifting if a Machine needs to do it for you why in. hell do you want to go Light speed 100 Mill. hr When the thrill of going on a real curb on a 10 speed no sound other than your hard breeding pushing it to the limit if you miss it's only pieces of your skin.. ouch 🤕 been there done that a trust me at slower speed on a bicycle 10 speed the fall is more likely to brake your 🦴 but on a Motorcycle that at slow speed it's safer you ride sly it or make your self a rolling canon ball
When and idiot get in front of you. So yes I agree in this with you what I like in speed can only get it on a Track that's how one proves it self other than that give. Me the thrill of riding Old School thank you !!!
Soft bags! Keep it old school!!!!
Totally agree and I suspect I will do a product video, put them on the bike, then take them right back off and put the original bags on
Its not worth it if it messes with the reliability in any way.
Amen to that
I’ve owned over 20 Harley’s. I’m old. Also every other brand. In no way does Harley have any performance power. A 600 Yamaha has more performance. I own my Harley’s for cruising. That’s it. My zx14 for speed and performance. My Indian and Harley for cruising and rallies.
Good to have a mix if motorcycles for sure, ride safe
You already answered your question. BECAUSE WERE GUYS.
My answer for so many things 😂
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Thanks