Buying an Okuma Genos M660-V CNC Machine!
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- Опубликовано: 11 июл 2024
- We bought an Okuma Genos M660-V!
This video discusses the machine specs, why we bought the machine, the various options and accessories, and what it has been like to commission and run the machine for the first few months.
00:00 We bought an Okuma Genos M660-V
00:31 Okuma M660-V Machine Travel, Tool Changer, & Big Plus, Dual Contact Spindle
01:00 Dual Column VS. C-Frame CNC Machines + Thermal Stability
02:28 Parallelism & Surface Finishes for Steel Fixture Plates
02:57 Mahr indicator 1-2.5 micron across stepover lines!
03:31 Y-Axis Machine Table Movement + Chip Evacuation
04:03 Mayfran ConSep 2000 (Dual Belt Chip Conveyor)
05:40 MP Systems Mist Collector and 1000 psi TSC
06:12 Absolute Encoders & Omron Timer for Machine Warm Up Routine
07:04 Tool Changer Access & DIY Light Improvement
07:36 Stock Fusion Post, & OSP Memory Mapping
10:14 Okuma Foundation Specs
11:22 Separate Pump for Hose, Washdown, and Flood Coolant
12:01 Feed Override & Outro
5 Reasons to Use a Fixture Plate on Your CNC Machine: bit.ly/3sNA4uH
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Links for this video
Okuma Resource on NYCCNC
www.nyccnc.com/okuma-genos-m6...
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Reach us / CNC Info:
Speeds & Feeds: provencut.com
Fusion 360 (Purchase, Support, Training): dsi.fyi/3yu7Mt0
Online Fusion 360 Training: bit.ly/LearnFusion360
SMW Products: saundersmachineworks.com/
CNC Resources: www.nyccnc.com 
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And to think this all started from a spare room....amazing to see people doing well for themselves
Been waiting for this one 🤘🏻
Yes, Saunders is an ambitious man far more that I realized when he started out...his family must be proud of him
Yeah, I remember when he barely had enough room for a bar feeder.
I love how the column is slanted forward to accommodate the table + way covers in a more elegant way! Beautiful machine!
Super stoked to welcome you to the Okuma family! I know you'll love the M660v
It’s about time you purchase Okuma. I’ve been using them since 2002 and own three. Very accurate and fast.
I've been running a 560-V for the past few years. Amazing machine, user friendly and unique tool management. Very user friendly and great support. The thru coolant pin is easy to replace with the tool, just keep one ahead :-)
Okuma includes one or two in the toolbox!
John, great video. I'm really happy for you.
Cheers, Ken
I run 2 Okuma MB4000H with a 32 pallet crane Fastems system, and the Okumas are work horses. Love them. HAAS is great, it’s the machine that’s perfect for teaching with, the Okuma is just a nice step up from it. Great purchase, look forward to seeing this machine making parts for you
Great overview and video John; thank you!
Cool machine, definitely a step up from the Haas. That chip conveyor is nice too 👍
Been waiting for this for a while after listening to the BOM podcast
I am working at Okuma India as an application engineer and this machine is really good.
Ran Okumas for years. Great machines, they're absolute beasts. Not sure if this machine has thermal compensation but, the ones I ran did. Never had to offset the z throughout the day from thermal growth
we have 3 460vs and two mu5000s i get to run. love okumas user interface. so easy to get into the trade when you train on something so user friendly and familiar.
Love running okuma machines. Super solid all around. Especially doing Injection mold work. Would love to see more on where that sky hook is mounted to. Where I work we need a movable cart that could have a sky hook with ballast on it to get heavy workpieces in and out of machines.
Much better machine, great choice.
Just got one of these machines at work yesterday. It’s the 50 taper version and not sure what other options they went with but I’m pretty excited to get to run it!
Now your starting to get some really good equipment. Real high speed machining with high material removal rates, completely dialed in mechanical and electronic components. If you get a real post that posts super nurbs. Your mind is going to be blown away. Also consider using metric increments to take advantage of the extra resolution it can make a difference on larger machines.
Did they spec supernurbs? It's an option on 3 axis genos machines. I doubt it's of much advantage for the parts they make anyway
you bought the best machine!!!
Just imagine, 10 years ago he was playing with a tiny Tormach in his garage and now he has 3 skyhooks... :D :D :D
Okuma machine is so cool
My machine is okuma MU6300VL :-)
It took me a while to understand G131 parameter editing.
have a nice machining ~ ^^
Will be interesting to hear the long term analysis of this machine vs the Haas machines. I know the Okuma is in the lights out production beast category of machines.
John thanks for sharing your new machine! I worked in field service for a few years and now work for a big manufacture in aerospace as a machine repair mechanic. Can you give me some insight to your experience with working with service in your various machines? Also I tried to meet you at IMTS in 2016 in Chicago but somehow I missed you at the coffee shop during our meet up! I have been enormously impressed in your success and would love to own a shop one day. Thank you for sharing your experiences!!
Thanks, Kevin! Honestly, service hasn't been much of an issue. We've mostly had Haas machines to date and our HFO has been great (the few times we've needed them).
Thanks John some info there.:)
It wasn't long ago you were telling Grimsmo not to get too big of a shop, and that you guys were only using half of the shop. Looks like you're running out of space! Grimsmo is also running out of space it seems. You guys are awesome, keep up the great work!
so much to think about getting this machine..
Finally a real machine
Awesome video, can you give details on the yellow bench cranes you have? Thank you
Still can’t believe people buy so many fixture plates.
I love a good bridge mill.
Okuma M660-V i just on another level VS any of the Haas machines you currently have. Just simple stuff like the TSC coolant, HAAS takes a good 4-5 seconds to activate IF it even works at all without erroring out.
I hope one day you buy a OKUMA MCRs and play big game .
I run a 660 aswell, cat50 tho. the chip augers are too small and jam quite often, I have it set to run on NC start which helps. Otherwise beautiful machine. The thrupin is kind of a pain but not a big deal, slightly expensive.
Glad you liked the QR Code manuals; hopefully you won't have to use it much!
I saw this machine and as you talked about the harmonics of differnt brand equipment i thought:
I would be very interested about your guys current state and planning about digital technology in your company.
Things like parts, tool and stock management. Do you still use USB drives on a regular bases... ? Not that it is bad, like every system has it's flaws but also the new ones... ;D
I would be very interested if such medium sized company lik yours, could quickly manage all the complexity increase that a software and conection technology upgrade brings.
Awesome machine! Curious how well do your programs post off fusion? Any hick ups?
Very curious - how are you getting big plates in/out of it? I assume this is for fixture plates for 40x20 size VMCs. Are the SkyHooks handling that?
Just learning about Okumas. Thank for sharing. Happy for ya. Does anyone recognize the cranes?? Im looking for something similar.
Starts in an apartment…. now he’s buying machines as big as apartments.
Is a double-column mill basically the same thing as a fixed gantry?
can you pour a pad in a running shop? I'm thinking of the ton of moisture that comes with the concrete.
What surface finish have you bin getting on that new machine? What ra did you get? @nyc cnc
Knowing what you know now would you still have bought the same machines in particular would you have still started with the VM3 and all the options you got for that machine
Okuma are really expensive but worth every penny they are just so good
Genos line is their ‘economic’ line. It’s far less expensive.
Okuma for the win. THiNC API is so powerful.
I have a M560. What do you use THINC for?
We had a Okuma LT200 on 3 inches at our old shop, I believe its even heavier than a 660, never had any issues. Also I'm not sure about Myfran, but MP and Okuma's link really well, I know ours send specific alarms to the machine.
I work on a M560-V. I look forward to your videos on the Okuma. 1. Could you talk about the table and possibly a mounting work holding system that you might use on it? 2. Can you share the air nozzle holder you 3d printed? I really hate hanging ours every where lol
I hang mine on the door. Eric Sun and I of Orange Vise designed a subplate for the 560 utilizing their zero point system. Its very cost effective if it meets your needs. I can fit 18 small vises on the table without removing my tool touch probe or the 4th axis.
air nozzle file link is in the video description (www.nyccnc.com/okuma-genos-m660-v-machine-overview/)
@@nyccnc Amazing Thank you so much!!
What coolant do you run in your shop ?
My Multus 4000 needs a bloody 700mm concrete slab AND piles another 500mm - IF the soil is bad, fingers cross that its better when the foundation work starts in the new industry location we gonna move into coming august. Its 17 tons, but my god... they have speced the foundation to last through a bloody war or something.
@@shadow9650 its a big boy, but it is a bit on the wild side
Can you share the post files you use? I have an M560-V and the post isn't working the best for me
Announce what horizontal you bought already! :P
You should invest in a CNC tool grinder and operator now! The ability to sharpen dull tools and create new/custom tools is very handy.
Of all the wonderful content you've created this has me the most excited. I have been looking seriously into the 560 later this year. So excited when I saw you invested in one. Any chance you would be sharing the post process? Or any recommendations where to source one? Perhaps a folder of stuff for those who subscribed to your paid service. Regardless thanks so much for sharing anything and everything about the Okuma :)
I went through this process in 2020 with my 560, feel free to ask anything. What post are you looking for? Fusion?
@@frp1276 That would be amazing!! I'm actually hoping to receive the 560 by the end of October. As an exclusively Haas owner up to this point I will have questions I'm sure. :)
@@trevoradams8675 nice! What options?
Renishaw probes, LNS conveyor. And the rest the standard features
@@trevoradams8675 RUclips comments are a pain. It would be better if we had email or text but without posting that info here
5:23 only thing that I see are the Strava stats 🤩
What is the name of those crates under the conveyor?🧐
now you guys just need to have the coolent chiled to a constant temp
7:00 what if you let the machine run a large program through the night and its still running when the warmup begins? Does the machine finish the running program and then start the warmup program or what?
Normally CNC machines have protections, such that you can't override a running program. It should either queue the new program, or ignore it.
Hey buddy, it is quite expensive machine. Are'nt there any other machines in the market that you found? Man! It is a shear beauty though! I checked it, it is worth $240,000! And will it pay its price, business wise, I mean. BTW, I worked as a Teaching Assistant for Manufacturing Processes class at UIowa thrice. Thanks.
What machine is going to be next? Mazak
Hitachi Seiki used this design extensively back in the day.
Cast iron or weird polymer concrete bed?
Makino V77 and friends are cast iron AFAIK, dream machine for hobby shop, if money and space don't matter ;-)
We rebuild 200k lb steel mill roll grinders and only have 6" concrete floors. Now we do regularly run into issues so dont get me wrong its not acceptable. We had one machine about 300k lbs between machine and roll weight that eventually managed to crack the floor all the way around. More commonly we will chase leveling a machine for days or occasionally weeks as the floor moves underneath. These machines typically are only here for a year or less and are only operational for a few weeks however they still can hit tenths tolerances during that time. So in short yes manufacturers tend to be way overkill on foundations. Our sharp manual mill (like a bridgeport series 2) calls for like 2 ft of concrete under it which is crazy.
There's a lot of things that go into that foundation, I suspect most manufacturers just give a solid value that will work no matter what the ground consistency is. IE: is your building on sand or bedrock.
That said, the cheapo small stuff, yeah it's probably overkill with what a customer will do (depending on how hard you're going to push the machine). However with some of the larger boys (MCRs, MUs, Multus's, MAs, MBs), you really shouldn't skimp on the foundation. Went to service/ PM a MCR in WI, the company makes lathe beds on this thing. They spent something like $2mil on the foundation. 5 years after, the machine is STILL square (which in the X-Y is a mind boggling .001mm/m), and has a .005mm/m dip in the level near the actual column (this thing's travel is 30m, with a 10m bed, in the X). There's another double column I heard about that the company skimped on the foundation, and rushed getting the machine in. iirc the columns sank about 0.005", and leaned over quite heavily (accuracy wise, not structurally).
TL;DR: if you machine is thicc, and expensive, buy it a good home.
@@orangedream267 when our machines go to their final home they get a proper isolation pad foundation. Typically there will be a the foundation will be a i beam reinforced concrete block, a layer of super stiff springs, and then a final i beam reinforced block for a final thickness sometimes approaching 20ft. All of this is with a special vibration dampening concrete. The entire assembly is completely detached from the surrounding shop floor. One of our past customers had 2 roll grinders. The older one was just on the shop floor ours was on an isolation pad. A freight train track was right outside the shop. Anytime a train came bad the older machine had to be stopped because the vibrations would transfer into the roll being ground meanwhile ours could keep running without any issue. We don't so the foundation work we partner up with another company that comes in and measures up the machine and starts the foundation work while we build the machine.
Hey man, how many machines do you still want to buy 🙆🏻♂️
Next step bridge mill.
Would you guys take a trainee from denmark?
The Okuma mat in front of the Haas seems so wrong🤣
WOW!!!DON'T READ H1. I was working on a MULTUS B300.A very beautiful car. Do you have "ONE touch "on your computer?
Does it play Doom?
Can you make a CNC machine using the ones you have? How hard would it be for you to make one with the tools you have?
How good does it need to be? Grinding guides and ball screws is serious business
instead of that small dinky led light you should had gotten some Glorie IP67 230V LED Strip in the tool room/space of the machine ( one tour around the side or all around the top and you could see everything promiss )
you may need a 110v to 230v adaptor though
I've been looking for lighting solutions for the same thing... Do you have a good US based reseller?
@@frp1276 sadly no. specially since i live in erup. but i remember from one of my former work places in our brother mills there where like no light at all so we installed that around the top and it got leaks better ( this was a old machine i might add )
@@frp1276 Where are you located? Some of the Okuma machine distributors sell LED lighting kits for machines. I can put you in touch depending on where you are at.
@@ficematt thanks, I mostly want it for my old Haas. My 560 has great LED lights, aside for the tool changer
@@frp1276 You might ask the dealer that you bought your M560 from. I'm most familiar with the Okuma dealer Hartwig Inc. I pretty sure they sell and install LED lights on all brands of machines.
when is the rusty dinosaur due?
Machine cost?
~230k, probably 40k in big accessories, Big Daishowa tool holders are going to average out around $500 a pop...
When one spends this much $ on a machine, why would the manufacturer not use stainless steel sheet metal for the interior of the machining surround?
>tells you what to do and when to do it
Nah, it tells you when to ignore it, and when the service guys come in to fix a fuckup. And when questions are asked, the service guys can get an idea of what was ignored.
Source: did pms and service on many Okumas. There was a looooot of ignored maintenance warnings.
Couldn't live with those asymmetric door handles
How dare you put that Okuma mat in front of that Haas!!!
WOW $$240K!!!
My M560-V runs DOOM.
Meet rigidity and learn how non rigid a Haas is.
Got to ask why are all these American machine shops buying foreign CNC machines... Does America not have anyone who makes CNC machines
Only reason I ask this is because I hear alot of talk on different channels about bringing production back to America but everyone seems to use Chinese made machines
Surely America has the ability create their own CNC machines
You need a mazak
Mazak FJV 200/250 much better
You talk too much, show us what it does🤠🤠🤠🤠🤠🤠