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As aging adults, 66 and 73, we no longer enjoy driving. Ten hour trips that we used to do in one a day are now split up into two days. We just returned from a long trip to Nashville, and used FSD for the entire trip. Nashville traffic was heavy with 12 lanes of high speed driving, multiple entrances and exits, and cars constantly cutting me off. Adding to the stress was rain and fog. FSD handled it well. One thing that changed during the trip was it used to pass as needed to keep up with my set speed. On the second day it only passed when I used the turn signal to indicate a lane change. I didn’t like this change. In spite of the few flaws, I’m buying FSD. The only decision is do I subscribe or buy it? We just bought the car, a 2023 M3 rear wheel drive, 5 months ago. This is our first EV. Without FSD the trip to Nashville would have been far less enjoyable due to the traffic. FSD feels like when GPS developed into what it is today. Today, few people would want to take a trip without using GPS. The same will be true for FSD in the decades ahead. Buy Tesla stock while it’s still affordable. Love your videos. Thanks for making them.
I have FSD 12.3.3 and driving around town it is really good. The turns are more human like, the speed selection is more natural and i hardly intervene. Most of my interventions are not needed - I need to get my confidence up. I have had FSD for 5 years. This is the first time I can really consider using it in traffic in cities. Highways have been great for years now, but even there the speed selection is better and I think it makes smoother lane changes now than on earlier version.
I've had it since 2019, never worked a day yet. I purchased full self-driving, not me taking over. By time I actually get full self-driving, the car will be probably ready for the junkyard. You should not legally be allowed to make promises such as full self-driving and sell it for $12,000. And then never deliver
Regarding the 40 mph speed limit on freeway I400, we have a "minimum speed 40 mph" sign. Tesla's FSD reads the "white rectangle" sign shape and the number 40, but fails to read the text or doesn't read it at all, which is why it sets a speed limit for the car at 40 mph.
Great video guys! I purchased FSD in 2019 for my 2018 M3 and have been a Beta tester since then. Kim, I also felt FSD was a lot of work to use. I'm 76 so my energy level isn't what it used to be, but I wanted to make as much of a contribution as possible to the system. I used it every single day, but V11 almost made me stop. V12 is mostly a joy to use & I'm looking forward to a rapidly improving experience. I purchased FSD because I didn't want to end up the same as so many older individuals who are so restricted because of loss of ability to drive. Many, many places don't have adequate public transportation & even when they are available, not very convenient. On V12.3.3 I still have the problem of turning into inappropriate turn-only lanes. I believe that the highway is still on V11, so the single stack is something to look forward to. I am also very frustrated with the lack of ability to transfer FSD. As a retired teacher on a very small income I have not been able to take advantage of any of the transfer offers, because I can't just jump up & purchase a new vehicle within a short time span. As an early adopter of both a Tesla and FSD I would be happier with Tesla if they acknowledged that by allowing me to transfer it at any time.
I use it daily and have probably logged over 50k miles with it. v12.3.3 is the first version that has gotten me from point to point without having to disengage it. Don't get me wrong it will occasionally choose the incorrect lane which will cause me to correct it but I must say it has been a huge improvement. My neighbor also has it and it is the first version that he has used daily as well. In the past he would try it once a new update would hit and then immediately stop using it.
Fanboys are funny, having to keep your hands on the wheel and constantly stressing over it making a mistake is worthless. Driving yourself is way less difficult
@@daveblock For me it is about the tech and getting it to a place where it safer than a human. A little self serving as I am in my mid 50s and by the time I get to a place where I can't drive as well as I am today it would be nice to hop in my car and just tell it to drive me to Costco ;)
Love it. Use it daily. Definitely some quirks and situations that taking over is best like construction on highways. Why don't you just pay the monthly subscription? Everyone keeps saying $12,000. Most people change cars within 5 yrs and then you are not out the whole amount!
I think with the solid line on the freeway it didn't want to change lanes. Highway is still using the old FSD v11 stack, so it doesn't get the same as city streets. If you have it set to auto speed, and it says auto then you are FSD V12, if you see the max speed, it is FSD v11.
One thing I don’t like is that it has a very heavy foot starting from a standstill. Also it got lost at a downtown highway interchange… still it’s definitely an improvement from V11 (which drove like a drunk man and scared my passengers)
I've been using FSD for over 2.5 years. My biggest problem is the nudge problem. I normally hold the wheel lightly and it doesn't think I am. When I do hold it tigher it often goes out of FSD without me knowing because it thought I took over. And yes prior to v12, even though I used it on every trip there were many times I knew better than to let it be driving. With v12 it does every trip end-to-end without intervention (except for gates). We also got an X just over a year ago and my wife now drives the Y ... with v12 it's finally time she may starts using it. (She was very unhappy when I sold her car and made her drive the Y, she heated the regenerative braking . A few months later when she started driving her car we keep a our home up north all she did was complain about how it kept running away on her.) We're both now over 80 and it sees all around it (and we don't turn our bodies like we use to) and it reacts faster than we can. We do two 2,000 mile road trips a year and our average charging time last year was 13.5 minutes ... faster than we can shuffle to the bathroom and back. You talked about round-abouts. We have a very busy two-lane one near our house ... with v11 I would take over as we arrived. With v12 I never worry about what it's going to do no matter how far around it's going. For over two years, my wife has driven 2 miles out of her way just to avoid it. As soon as I can get her to feel comfortable the car will drive her anywhere.
Ive had fsd for 4 years now and I didnt use it much with v11 but now with v12 I use it a lot. Its so much better and is enjoyable to use. They are so close to a robotaxi now
When you guys discussed the 40 speed limit, you thought that it was the last sign it scanned b4 you entered the highway. However, it mistakenly takes " 40 Minimum " speed signs and makes it the speed limit. Does that to me all the time. I use Autopilot everywhere I go now. Its fantastic!
We tried it on a road trip down from Atlanta to Orlando. It was great except the speed limit signs in Ga. We have a minimum speed limit sign and then a speed limit sign. The car was constantly going from 75 to 40 and back. Wasn’t a confidence builder. Once we were in Florida it was almost perfect! They list both speeds on the same sign and FSD reads that properly. If they fix the minimum speed limit problem it would great.
I use it daily. I live near you on the north side of ATL and work at the airport 17-25 days per month. I use FSD down 400 and on the connector every time I go to work. Now with 12.3.3 I use it on all the side streets, too. I've been using it full time since the safety score early days. Hopefully in my Cybertruck soon 😁
I purchased FSD in 2020 and with this new version 12.3.3 it is finally very useful. I think it will be even better when they adjust the neural networks to rewrite the code for the freeway. I do think that they should make FSD in two formats. Personal use and commercial use. When he talks about how much money it is worth I’m never gonna use my car as a Robo taxi. I will only use it for personal use so the value of it is not worth the same as someone that would use it to make income. They should just have two versions of it. Also, I think that if they made it lifetime transferable one vehicle at a time I would probably pay up to 15,000 for that because I know that if I have an accident or traded in I’m not going to lose it Also if I ever rented a Tesla it would carryover to me in a rental. I do have a reservation for the cyber truck and I had checked the box for the option to get it at $6000 so I am trusting they’re going to honor that because I put my money down under those conditions. if for some reason, they don’t honor the 6000 then I will not purchase the cyber truck.
Love the update. You mentioned you feel like you could take a nap as a passenger. My wife hated the previous version and wouldn't allow me to use it with her in the car but with the update, she has made a shopping list on her phone and caught up on work emails while I am driving with the updated FSD. That was the true test for me. She actually uses this sometimes now as well. Such a huge improvement but still way out of our price range for FSD.
I frequently use a two lane section US Hwy 15 in NC and because of the lack of speed limit signs FSD thinks the speed limit is 15 when it’s 55. Knowing this I switched out of letting FSD anticipate the speed of the car and just set my max speed at 60 which has worked great.
2020 M3 with FSD beta…. Before this current version, it was more of an annoyance than anything. This new version is excellent. I use it daily now and am very impressed.
12:10 The yellow phase of a traffic light is meant for the driver to come to a safe stop when the light turns Red. „Gunning it" is a very bad habit and leads to accidents, or at the very least makes other traffic participants very uncomfortable. I am glad to see that FSD seems to do the right thing in these situations.
Great video! I've been using FSD Beta for 2+ years and as you are seeing, the progress is really impressive! Regarding the speed limit setting to 40 on the highway, this version mistakes the "Minimum Speed" limit signs on highways as actual speed limit signs. This is new behavior in v12, and I've seen it throughout the highways here in GA, hope they fix it soon.
From what I see here, and my own experience, I’m giving it a C+. In no way or world is it worth a whopping 12k, far better spent on a motorcycle. And If the FSD price continues to go up, that’s there problem, not mine. In no world do I need 12k worth of driving when I do it free myself everyday
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I loved this video, thank you for taking the time and effort to make it! FSD's come so far from your first FSD video (the first video I viewed of your channel), and the one you put out last year. Some of the interesting parts of this video for me: 3:20 Y'all driving around in the N ATL burbs is surreal. I drive these roads regularly. 5:32 It taking these right turn lanes appropriately without stopping. In old versions, I'd imagine it stops at the red light even though that right turn onto McFarland has right of way at all times because it has its own lane. 6:30 The confidence to proceed with the left turn despite the oncoming van having its own right of way too. It doesn't freak out like old versions, or even a person not familiar with the intersection might. Then the immediate move over to the right lane smoothly. Waiting for all of those bicyclists to cross, very naturally and not freaking them out was cool. Only thing it screwed up at Halcyon was that wacky park job. 😆 10:53 Nice U-Turn and commit despite the light turning yellow. 14:38 Caney after that three-way stop is a super tight road with practically no shoulders. I see plenty of people driving left of center while going around those bends... it looks like FSD handles it well. 15:40 You did this intersection if your first FSD video and it did terribly with it. Huge improvement. Very natural being somewhat occluded by the median. 19:25 Solid merge onto the freeway. You can imagine an all EV future where vehicles have more or less the same acceleration and one slow accelerator is not holding up the whole line of cars. 19:40 I think the reason it chooses not to complete the lane change is because of the solid white line coming in for that Kimball Bridge construction project. It didn't handle it very gracefully, but it seemed like it was more awkward than dangerous. 20:50 Waiting that late to get into the exit lane would stress me out too, especially cutting in right behind another vehicle. I do think Kim's thesis may be right though. How often do you see humans do that very thing, wait until the last moment and cut in giving no room to someone in front, behind, or both? FSD being trained on human data is a double-edged sword. 22:12 To confidently go around the truck moving left of center like that is impressive. No big deal for us humans because understand the rules have exceptions for this scenario, but for FSD, it has data showing it exceptions, but it doesn't know WHY the exception exists. Hence why the confidence impresses me. 23:20 That park job. 🤣 25:30 It definitely saw those pedestrians headed toward the road quickly. That cautiousness is super-encouraging. As it improves over time, imagine its ability to stop for animals and children dashing into the road. 29:23 This is simultaneously frightening and super impressive. That was the right maneuver and technically very safe, but yes, all those cars in the right lane (with a yield)... that's a lot of volume to make a left in front of with confidence. I love it. On the issue of price, I do think the $12k is absurd until it is legit FSD, sleep in the backseat style. Perhaps you guys consider the $200/mo trial on your X? It'd take 5 years of subscription before costing as much as the $12k... Do you think you'll have your current X for that long? Great video. I love watching the progress of FSD and I've not found any other ATLiens sharing their experiences with it. Thanks again for your efforts!
Thanks for doing this video. I might get it on a monthly basis for trips. After 56 years of driving I could use the assistance going thru Columbus or Cincinnati for long trips.
Here’s a little feedback. 12.3.3 on an expressway I came up behind a slower moving truck (15 under the speed limit). My Tesla didn’t initiate a go around (2 lanes available, no other traffic). So I put on the turn signal and waited. My Tesla would not change lanes. All I can suppose is that my car is in chill mode, so chill is what I’m gonna get.
On the highway it changed back to it’s own lane because, being trained by humans it knows that although there is a solid white line to your left that a human puts on the signal early before it changes too a dashed line and it was thinking that line should have changed to a dashed line, but when it didn’t and stayed solid it knows it is not supposed to cross a solid line and went back to its lane and stayed there because it was a solid line the whole way.
We've had FSD since December of 2021. Now our FSDv12 occasionally misses speed limit signs, but we like it a lot better than we did version 11. We basically stopped using v11 because it did phantom braking on the highway and took the wrong exits sometimes. It was a pain in the neck. Now we have high hopes that FSD will be very smooth and safe by the end of the year.
I have used FAD almost daily since it was made public and I am so impressed by this version. I believe those who use it daily are the ones most impressed. I paid $7000 and did transfer it to a new Model Y last year. My hope is that it will be transferable in the future.
I dare say that a driving position like this at 14:27 appears less than ideal. Having almost fully extended arms and legs doesn't strike me as safe. What do you think about covering Proper Seating Positions in one of your future videos on the channel?
I’ve had FSD for years. 12.3.3 is absolutely amazing and I actually use more often than not not. In the past FSD was only for when I was absolutely comfortable with the route. Now I engage it everywhere. It has pulled into parking lots and parked itself too. It’s awesome. Cannot wait for more advances.
My experience, I had some interesting situations, FSD stopped at a Traffic light making a Right Turn on red (allowed in BC) but it did not proceed, I missed the pedestrian that actually finally started waking across from the right to left (he was hidden offset to a light stand that blocked my view), 2 sets of eyes are better than one set, Awestruck with how it is working. Today, it allowed a car entering from a mall access lane proceed in front as we were holding at a red light, very human like, the driver waived us thanks. it hit a light about 1 second it changed from green to yellow and it proceeded through, I would have done the same. Other longer yellow it stops for. Great technology!!! I really like how it works without lane markings, a lot of lane markings including the yellow line in the middle and the white lines have worn out over the winter here on the Sunshine Coast BC, but it drives like a professional!
I have v12 and the tendency to turn and drive close to the sidewalk edge is way more often than previous version. That’s is annoying but this aside, it is a clear improvement! No question asked!
I purchased my 2021 Model S back in January and enabled the monthly subscription the next day. I let it drive me down a rural road in the town that I live in and immediately cancelled because it was no where near ready. Fast forward to Easter Sunday and I get the notice of the trial when I get in the car. Like you and your husband, I was immediately apprehensive and ready to disengage at a moments notice. Fast forward a week and I let it drive me everywhere, even on these country roads. I’ve leaned the FSD is just a name and that it shines when you stay relaxed but involved. In fact, there are a few tricks I’ve found for all of the nuisance items you mentioned in the video. Like stopping short at stop signs, lane merging, and wrong speed limits. However, it is not worth $12k! Period. It’s not worth $199/mo. The pricing structure when Advanced Autopilot was available was fair for this still “supervised” essentially Beta version. Tesla is getting data that from every time I use it paid or not that they will use to make profit. Don’t share in the profit (stock holdings aside) and they can offset by leasing out the system that current owners are helping perfect to other manufacturers. Also, do you realize that you have paid the price of an additional vehicle with what you’ve paid for FSD that you didn’t use in two other Teslas? Ummm $12k? No way.
Great video.... I've used FSD just as soon as it was available everyday. Both on my Model 3 and X ...I use it every day. Agree as to V12 being the first not causing me to work hard ...and enjoy the car driving itself.
FSD V12 is fantastic. First bought FSDbeta in 2019 then traded so had to buy again in 2020. With option to transfer my free supercharging and FSD in 1st quarter I did it and am very happy. FSDbeta could not do a simple 90 degree right turn in one location and V12 did it perfectly. You might not have seen the barrels and cones as you don’t have vision. My vision see everything including things I don’t see. I’ve got more than $12000 invested and I am delighted with the progress. I am 80 and believe FSD is making me a safer driver for both my protection and those around me.
The danger of pulling up so quickly when the traffic lights are amber, is that drivers following you are likely to rear end you. And if not you, then maybe three or more cars further back being rear ended due to the combination of cumulative breaking delayed actions, reducing the breaking distance.
I have a 4 month old M3P and I drove 32 miles from my office to a window tinter the other day. 60% was interstate and the rest was city driving and no disconnects going there and one coming back to my office. I actually disconnected it because it wanted to get in a right lefthand turnlane and I wanted to be in the left lefthand turnlane so it really didn't do anything wrong. My guess is a newer Tesla will do better than your 2018 model.
Great video guys. I had the chance to use FSD in my parents new X. It worked great, merged well, turned right on reds it accelerated well after turns also. I didn't notice the speed issue. I was impressed, I don't have fsd on my 2018 M3, so it was fun to use.
As an owner of Tesla S & X, I want TESLA to lower the MONTHLY SUBSCRIPTION to $50. All my relatives, friends, and neighbors love that idea, so they will also SUBSCRIBE on that. Please make a PETITION to TESLA to make it $50/month the FSD. Have a great day to y'all!
Hi, Are you aware that you can also subscribe to FSD on a monthly basis (turn it on/off whenever you want) Currently it costs $199/month ($212.43 with tax) Probably a good option for most instead of $12k - this then allows you to keep it when/if you switch to a new vehicle in the future
I did a few hour road trip and on the highway with 12.3.3 it was in the left lane on a divided highway -- at least twice, maybe three times it moved into a left turn lane at 75 mph.
10:13 I just bought a used 2019 M3LR with FSD and I'm definitely using the Beta as much as I can. It's pretty hit-and-miss so far, but I'm enjoying it overall. There's a turn-off to a side road that used to be wide open but now has one of those concrete barriers in the middle that you guys noticed it doesn't see. Well sure enough it doesn't see them despite it having reflectors standing up in the middle of it. I had to disengage because it tried to drive straight into that. I've also stopped it from going into one of the short concrete ones in the middle of the highway with no markers on it. I also noticed it doesn't seem to have any merging etiquette. I've had it both try to cut someone off and not slow down to let someone pass me in merging. It also does not signal when merging but I can do that easy enough. Related to the above, I really dislike how it handles passing lanes. If the lanes open up to the left, it's fine because it's already in the slow lane. However, in any situation where they open to the right, it will just stay in the fast lane regardless of the situation. (I do not have the minimal lane changes selected.) I had an angry person on my ass and it didn't want to get over. What's extra frustrating about it is I will signal to go right to try to counter this behavior and it will signal, move slightly, cancel and go back into the lane, then I signal again to say "No. Bad. Get over.", and it will (often very slowly like it's being maliciously compliant) finally move over. Usually, it will also stay lined up to the left side of the lane which is extra nerve-wracking when some jerk wants to pass me. It also often seems to just slow down for no apparent reason. I'm just cruising at the set max speed on a smooth road with no issues and it suddenly slows down from the set 60 to 58...56...speeds back up...slows back down...why? I want to be a set consistent speed so that I'm predictable and people can use their normal cruise controls in their cars and not get annoyed at the car ahead of them fluctuating their speed. (I guess this is also a human behavior we don't want copied 'cause I see people space out and do this a lot.) It doesn't like people turning off the road in front of me. It slows down for them which is fine and what I would do, but when they're turning off the road it will wait until they are *completely* off the road before it accelerates instead of just casually accelerating as they get out of your way. It's very awkward. It's also pretty weird about lane changes (which I think I remember being a common thing for the previous versions). I've had it just jump into the fast lane of the highway just because when I'm going a perfectly reasonable speed and I have to cancel it and get back because some a-hole wants to go 20 over the speed limit and is zooming up behind me. It also sometimes jumps into another lane to just go faster which is very human-like. lol Something I really want to see and I'm not 100% sure yet if it's still not doing this: getting over to the slow lane about 1-2 miles before an exit and staying there. I've seen this be a common issue in people's FSD videos and I'm hoping it learns to be more cognizant of the navigation and what lanes you should be in and when. Another thing I really really really want from doing this beta is for it to automatically go to a set increment (for me 5MPH over the speed limit) at each sign. There's an option for a mode that adjusts speed as the Tesla sees fit but that is terrifying. It just says "MAX" in blue with no indication of the actual max speed and I had it going fast enough to catch a ticket so I just quickly cancelled it. I just want to be able to cruise at 5 over. It's not the end of the world flicking up on the right scroll every time I hit a new speed sign but it is a bit annoying. On the positive side I recently had an experience where someone slammed on their brakes ahead of me but I let the Tesla handle it and it was shocking how smoothly it handled it. It did not hesitate at all. I would've let off the accelerator for sure and it just smoothly continued knowing that it would not have to slow down. I was blown away.
I have a 2023 and it shows a great deal more than what you're seeing on your screen as far as cones and stuff. Also the newer computer never freezes like yours did... so I think you'll have a better experience on newer hardware
Great job on this video. Really enjoyed it. Happy to know you like this version of FSD and might use it. Keep in mind that not only is it a great luxury feature to be able to have your car drive you around comfortably while you supervise but it also results in a safer experience if you're paying attention.
We've had the beta on our y for 2 years, I use it 98% of the time and my wife uses it about 50%. If you allow yourself to really trust it, it really is phenomenal. I trust it more than when myself or my wife driving
I came back to watch this again, and I thought I'd give you a tip on the acceleration/deceleration. I noticed several times throughout the video where P.J. was noting how quickly it takes off from traffic control and other similar instances. I've heard that FSD will also behave slightly differently depending on your drive mode selected. So, if you were in standard acceleration, the car will be using that acceleration to it's full potential, but if you put it into the chill mode, then you're basically limiting the amount of power FSD can use for speeding up. Also, on another note, the highway FSD is actually not V12 yet, it's still running a different version of V11. So that may be why you were having some issues on the highway with speed, etc. Hope this helps/makes it more comfortable.
I’ve been using FSD daily and do like it a lot. Have been seeing a lot of the same things you experienced and described. It accelerates way too quickly, to the point where I feel I will run through tires faster… It seems very hesitant at 4-way stops and always stops way too early at intersections, so then needs to creep out to actually see traffic. It also doesn’t seem to know what to do once my destinations are reached, just slowly creeps ahead for some reason. Finally, I have been finding that it will follow slow cars on the highway instead of passing them. I constantly need to coax it to pass. On the bright side, it does drive much better than an earlier versions I had tried, and reacts naturally while driving, following the flow of traffic. It even slowed down for road bumps! I do wish it also saw and avoided potholes… Overall, it is a great feature, but way overpriced. I would absolutely purchase it at 10% of its current price.
With respect to the yellow lights, in _my_ state, the official law is essentially "yellow means 'stop' if you can stop safely"; it's not "yellow means 'go' if you think you'll be able to enter the intersection before it turns red."
Although people may not be “using” it actively. It is actually always running in the background and pretending to drive while you are and besides just recording everything for training the AI it will mark, notate and send in every instance that you do something that was different than what the car was thinking it should have done.
I think most people will bias towards the $199 monthly subscription long term. Full price will probably be reserved for people that want to add their car to the Robotaxi network.
I use FSD once in awhile, the latest update is great, but it still has lane selection issues, does not avoid potholes or dead animals in the road, and doesn't avoid puddles or sketchy parts of the road. Still a long way to go, but definitely starting to get useful. I would say it's worth about $3k now, nowhere near 12k. I paid 10k but I'm ok with it, it's been fun to test for 2 years. And it did save my car from getting sideswiped a couple times from idiot drivers on their phones.
A quick comment: I also live in Georgia and have observed the same incorrect 40mph speed limit popping up on the highways. I believe the car is seeing the ‘minimum 40’ speed limit signs we have in Georgia. You will see these right after the regular speed limit sign in almost all cases. Tesla needs to update to ignore the ‘minimum 40mph’ signs
When approaching a stop sign, if you put your foot on the accelerator like you normally would or if you were disengaging Autosteer, you can pull up to the intersection as the car knows that you are paying attention.
Thanks for the real life experience w/ the latest version of FSD. 2 things; 1.) as a male driver, I am more likely to wait and not go during yellow lights, so I would disagree that it must’ve been programmed by a female-as jokingly mentioned by PJ. 2.) Kim definitely looks geek chic in glasses and should wear them all the time, always, no hesitation.
One thing i can't stand since the release of beta is that it drives extremely slow in the tunnels here in NYC and it tries to change lanes even though there's cones/ barriers between the lanes.
My son had FSD on his 2020 Y, but when the deer crossed the road, the Tesla didn't see it in time. It was dark. It was night. My son said the deer was just there. Boom! He's okay. The Tesla was totaled. I would try his FSD periodically. For about 2 minutes at a time. It did such stupid, life-threatening things that I had to frantically seize control back. And, I yelled at the developers. Multiple times. Why did you disengage? "Out of the blue, it decided to veer into oncoming traffic. I could see the traffic! Why would it do that? Augh!" And, each one of those incidents would be the extent of my interaction with whatever version of FSD that was, and likely the next few versions after that. It made me very nervous. That said... I've been following the progress, via RUclips, and with 12.3, it looks promising. I'm tempted to book a test drive just to check it out. Now... my son was an early adopter. I believe he paid $7,000 for FSD. I think it's probably worth about $5k, as a feature. I don't know what the plan is. I know they want to make Robotaxis, and my son told me that the plan was to have all the vehicles with FSD could become robotaxi fleet members, when they turned that on for the public. And, my son was looking forward to having his Tesla make money for him. So... as a business proposition, I think whatever Tesla wants to charge for the ability to have my car be a member of the fleet, in order to earn me money, that's probably okay. But, as just a feature for me to use, I don't want my car driving for anyone else, just me... I think that's worth about $5,000, on top of the cost of the car. Now, I don't live in a big city. I live near a small city, but I'm out in the boonies. All I do with my current gas-guzzler, is drive to the store, drive to the doctor's office, drive to church, and drive home. As I'm getting older, it would be nice to have the car do the driving, once it's capable. But, as the cars get smarter, I would expect that to be a feature of the car. So, I'm not willing to pay 'hiring a driver' prices. Personally, I just want the freedom to be able to go whenever I want. Wherever I want. If I get a call from my daughter out of town, and we want to go visit the grandbaby, I want to be able to, right then and there, get in my vehicle and go. I don't want to call a service. I don't want to pay a per-mile fee. I just want to go. And, if I'm driving a Tesla... I want it to do the driving, and be really good at it. That's just me. Thank you for your test drive. I like what some of the other reviewers are saying: This is the worst that FSD will be from now on. It's only going to get better from here. With 12.3, I've actually been able to watch entire test drive videos uninterrupted. On previous version, I had to stop the videos because they were just making me too nervous!
I’m an early adopter of 2014 Tesla P85D, which is still on the road. I have mixed feelings about FSD, but it should definitely stay with the owner NOT the car.
I’m retired so I don’t drive daily, but I use it every time I drive. I’m new to Tesla, with a February 2024 purchase, but I knew I wanted FSD since seeing that 12.xx was going to neural network, so I bought a low mileage Model S through Tesla that came with FSD. Awesome car, and very good but not great FSD (yet). I’m definitely a Tesla convert, so much so that I bought $15k of Tesla stock after getting my car and using FSD 12.3.
I maybe be the oddball in this conversation but I suspect I’m in the majority when I say I have no interest in FSD. It will be part of the future driving experience but my guess is it will a few decades before it becomes an accepted norm.
My 2023 M3-RWD had hit the curb while FSDv12.3 trying to make spot for an on-coming car. This happened to me at the Costco in Windward Place, Alpharetta, GA and it was one of those weekend peak hours (just about 45 mins before Costco closes).
Yeah, for that reason I still don't trust it in tight areas. I have taken great pains to keep my alloy wheens free of curb trash, and I would have for FSD to screw them up.
I agree. The take rake would be higher if they gave previous owners a credit from a previous car purchased. Also should lower the price to $125/mo and 3k total. When it is perfected then can raise price to 10k.
If you re-watch the video when it darted back into its own lane, you will notice there was a solid line, which is likely the reason it refused to lane change.
I know what you mean, it is noticeably better though from our semi annual visit with the software! $12k worth it though? I’m leaning towards it but PJ still thinks it’s too high.
FSD V12 current works better for Model 3 and Y, less good for Model S and X because the majority of data is training for smaller car. the Car drives the bigger car thinking it is smaller than it is.
My wife and I are using the 30 day free trial offer on her Model Y and we both love it, except for the price. I have a 2019 Model 3 for around town use and it came with Enhanced auto pilot which reduces the price of FSD to $6000, but I’m not going to buy it for just running errands. We’re retired on fixed income, so $12g is out of the question. We’ve been driving Teslas for about four years so the transition to FSD was an easy one. ❤
Thanks for sharing. I'm an advocate for transferable FSD. As a matter of fact i feels it should rather.be linked to the owners account and not the vehicle. If fsd is on your account and you fly to another city, rent a Tesla, log in with your account and have Full self driving available.
Fsd 12 vast improvements. Concerning whether it will stop for gates, in my experience I was going through a toll gate and I had to disengage fsd as the car would have ran through the gate. It appears it still does not see the bar.
In regards to transferring FSD for early adopters, I feel FSD should be in our Tesla app profile, for access on any Tesla we drive and linked to the FSD owner instead of the linked to the vehicle. It is just software after all.
I have FSD on my model S and I love it. I use it daily on pretty much every trip. 12.3 was okay but since I got 12.3.3 it feels more confident and calm. The only complaint I have is that sometimes it doesn't get up to speed quickly and is a little to calm. It also occasionally needs throttle to commit to traffic circles. Overall though it is very good.
Vibrate your seat? lol! What would be cool is if you could put Optimus in the passenger seat and it could give you a nudge with its elbow! PJ is really cool though so probably best to stick with having him there!
I can't wait until it's gone!!! Driving to dinner approached left turn on green, car length from enter section light turned yellow steering wheel started shaking. I took over and accelerated through. On the way home from dinner same thing going straight through light when car length from enter section car slowed down really fast, enough to push is forward into our seat belts another yellow light. I thought I wasn't seeing something so I hit the brakes. Glad no one was behind us. Still not ready. 2023 Model Y
Do you have wi-fi? I don't, and I didn't get my trial until I downloaded the latest update from my workplace (I connected to my phone, which was connected to Wi-Fi). As soon as the update was installed I got the email telling me about the FDS trial.
@@scrashthepunkstar I was wondering about that, I do have wi-fi... maybe I will check it again. Thanks for the reply. But it has updated twice in the last 2 weeks and still no FSD update.
Really appreciated this video. Currently using v11.1 and continually amazed at its progress from the beginning. We are on our 3rd ModelX lease and have purchased the FSD feature for all. We definitely feel “slighted” as you say, however I feel we are investing in an amazing technology. I really like the technology that Tesla has brought to us and I plan to be exclusively Tesla once I get my CyberTruck! +$10K for an 3 year lease is too much to pay for FSD, but if we can get real FSD before our next 3-year lease then that’ll be nice!
Noticed you had your speed setting on offset. There's a new setting Auto Max speed. In this setting FSD determines the speed, you can't adjust using scroll wheel. Hiwever you can press the accelerator without disengaging. It might have gone slower exiting the dirt driveway because speed offset seems to have many roads at 25 mph. Thanks for the video and I think it's worth it because I plan on using it for family and friends robotaxi. My mom is in her 80s as well as many of her friends. My wife also have neuropathy in her feet, so a couple more updates and I think she will be independent once again. Once I get the cybertruck I want to put this in the robotaxi fleet so to me it's a good investment.
Actually they've trained FSD using a subset of the driver pool, only the best drivers. It didn't stop at the light when it could have 'floored it' to get through before the red because of the laws, it did it because that is what the training taught it to do. I also wanted to mention that the highway driving is still v11, not v12.3.3, unless that has changed recently. I've had FSD for a 3 years, and I use it pretty much every time I drive, and report every intervention to Tesla. That is the whole point of having Beta testers. The biggest issue with v12.3.3 that I've seen is there seems to be a gap between what the routing system knows about the upcoming lanes and turns and what FSD's planning is doing. It often knows it is supposed to exit the highway, signals and gets over next to the exit lane, and then misses the exit. Or it has a right turn coming up 2 streets ahead, and changes lanes into a turn only lane one street too soon.
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As aging adults, 66 and 73, we no longer enjoy driving.
Ten hour trips that we used to do in one a day are now split up into two days.
We just returned from a long trip to Nashville, and used FSD for the entire trip.
Nashville traffic was heavy with 12 lanes of high speed driving, multiple entrances and exits, and cars constantly cutting me off. Adding to the stress was rain and fog.
FSD handled it well.
One thing that changed during the trip was it used to pass as needed to keep up with my set speed. On the second day it only passed when I used the turn signal to indicate a lane change. I didn’t like this change.
In spite of the few flaws, I’m buying FSD.
The only decision is do I subscribe or buy it?
We just bought the car, a 2023 M3 rear wheel drive, 5 months ago.
This is our first EV.
Without FSD the trip to Nashville would have been far less enjoyable due to the traffic.
FSD feels like when GPS developed into what it is today. Today, few people would want to take a trip without using GPS. The same will be true for FSD in the decades ahead.
Buy Tesla stock while it’s still affordable.
Love your videos.
Thanks for making them.
Do you use it at night? I heard it sometimes just stops suddenly on the highway for no reason at night.
These two has got to be the most genuine and nicest couple on RUclips. Sometimes it just comes through!
I have FSD 12.3.3 and driving around town it is really good. The turns are more human like, the speed selection is more natural and i hardly intervene. Most of my interventions are not needed - I need to get my confidence up. I have had FSD for 5 years. This is the first time I can really consider using it in traffic in cities. Highways have been great for years now, but even there the speed selection is better and I think it makes smoother lane changes now than on earlier version.
I've had it since 2019, never worked a day yet. I purchased full self-driving, not me taking over. By time I actually get full self-driving, the car will be probably ready for the junkyard. You should not legally be allowed to make promises such as full self-driving and sell it for $12,000. And then never deliver
Regarding the 40 mph speed limit on freeway I400, we have a "minimum speed 40 mph" sign. Tesla's FSD reads the "white rectangle" sign shape and the number 40, but fails to read the text or doesn't read it at all, which is why it sets a speed limit for the car at 40 mph.
The speed limit changes to 40 MPH is being caused by the “MINIMUM SPEED 40MPH” signs.
It does it to me on I-85 a lot.
Great video guys! I purchased FSD in 2019 for my 2018 M3 and have been a Beta tester since then. Kim, I also felt FSD was a lot of work to use. I'm 76 so my energy level isn't what it used to be, but I wanted to make as much of a contribution as possible to the system. I used it every single day, but V11 almost made me stop. V12 is mostly a joy to use & I'm looking forward to a rapidly improving experience. I purchased FSD because I didn't want to end up the same as so many older individuals who are so restricted because of loss of ability to drive. Many, many places don't have adequate public transportation & even when they are available, not very convenient. On V12.3.3 I still have the problem of turning into inappropriate turn-only lanes. I believe that the highway is still on V11, so the single stack is something to look forward to.
I am also very frustrated with the lack of ability to transfer FSD. As a retired teacher on a very small income I have not been able to take advantage of any of the transfer offers, because I can't just jump up & purchase a new vehicle within a short time span. As an early adopter of both a Tesla and FSD I would be happier with Tesla if they acknowledged that by allowing me to transfer it at any time.
I use it daily and have probably logged over 50k miles with it. v12.3.3 is the first version that has gotten me from point to point without having to disengage it. Don't get me wrong it will occasionally choose the incorrect lane which will cause me to correct it but I must say it has been a huge improvement. My neighbor also has it and it is the first version that he has used daily as well. In the past he would try it once a new update would hit and then immediately stop using it.
Ya, I think by next year, most Tesla users will forget about how to actually drive. 😄
Fanboys are funny, having to keep your hands on the wheel and constantly stressing over it making a mistake is worthless. Driving yourself is way less difficult
@@daveblock For me it is about the tech and getting it to a place where it safer than a human. A little self serving as I am in my mid 50s and by the time I get to a place where I can't drive as well as I am today it would be nice to hop in my car and just tell it to drive me to Costco ;)
@DerekRasina Same with me but need it to get there sooner than later as I'm turning 70 later this year.
@@580guru Wow, what a failure attitude.
Love it. Use it daily. Definitely some quirks and situations that taking over is best like construction on highways. Why don't you just pay the monthly subscription? Everyone keeps saying $12,000. Most people change cars within 5 yrs and then you are not out the whole amount!
If you sell the car with FSD you get more for that car. If you pay 200 a month for 5 years you are out the full 12k because you get nothing back.
Good job
@@dang2055They really should make the FSD transferable with a small fee or something.
I got enhanced autopilot with my 2023 Model Y. My FSD subscription is only $99 / month. Better than $12k outright and $200 / month.
@@christopherchaffee1408I think people will buy even 💩 if you know how to sell it.
I think with the solid line on the freeway it didn't want to change lanes. Highway is still using the old FSD v11 stack, so it doesn't get the same as city streets. If you have it set to auto speed, and it says auto then you are FSD V12, if you see the max speed, it is FSD v11.
That's an interesting tip about how to tell if you are still using part of the old highway stack. Thx!
25.54 it's nice to see someone who understand it .
One thing I don’t like is that it has a very heavy foot starting from a standstill. Also it got lost at a downtown highway interchange… still it’s definitely an improvement from V11 (which drove like a drunk man and scared my passengers)
I noticed that too, maybe I should not be in ascertive mode or whatever it's called, and also be in chill mode?
So far for me it has chirped tires braking for a fresh yellow light, so we could do without the whiplash, but massive improvement.
Chill mode is definitely better
I've been using FSD for over 2.5 years. My biggest problem is the nudge problem. I normally hold the wheel lightly and it doesn't think I am. When I do hold it tigher it often goes out of FSD without me knowing because it thought I took over. And yes prior to v12, even though I used it on every trip there were many times I knew better than to let it be driving. With v12 it does every trip end-to-end without intervention (except for gates). We also got an X just over a year ago and my wife now drives the Y ... with v12 it's finally time she may starts using it. (She was very unhappy when I sold her car and made her drive the Y, she heated the regenerative braking . A few months later when she started driving her car we keep a our home up north all she did was complain about how it kept running away on her.) We're both now over 80 and it sees all around it (and we don't turn our bodies like we use to) and it reacts faster than we can. We do two 2,000 mile road trips a year and our average charging time last year was 13.5 minutes ... faster than we can shuffle to the bathroom and back.
You talked about round-abouts. We have a very busy two-lane one near our house ... with v11 I would take over as we arrived. With v12 I never worry about what it's going to do no matter how far around it's going. For over two years, my wife has driven 2 miles out of her way just to avoid it. As soon as I can get her to feel comfortable the car will drive her anywhere.
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version 12 is awesome !!! much like a human driving !!
In a lot of ways it really is. Watch to the end…makes it scary what is possible in a few years if not a few months!
Ive had fsd for 4 years now and I didnt use it much with v11 but now with v12 I use it a lot. Its so much better and is enjoyable to use. They are so close to a robotaxi now
When you guys discussed the 40 speed limit, you thought that it was the last sign it scanned b4 you entered the highway. However, it mistakenly takes " 40 Minimum " speed signs and makes it the speed limit. Does that to me all the time. I use Autopilot everywhere I go now. Its fantastic!
We tried it on a road trip down from Atlanta to Orlando. It was great except the speed limit signs in Ga. We have a minimum speed limit sign and then a speed limit sign. The car was constantly going from 75 to 40 and back. Wasn’t a confidence builder. Once we were in Florida it was almost perfect! They list both speeds on the same sign and FSD reads that properly. If they fix the minimum speed limit problem it would great.
I use it daily. I live near you on the north side of ATL and work at the airport 17-25 days per month. I use FSD down 400 and on the connector every time I go to work. Now with 12.3.3 I use it on all the side streets, too. I've been using it full time since the safety score early days.
Hopefully in my Cybertruck soon 😁
I purchased FSD in 2020 and with this new version 12.3.3 it is finally very useful. I think it will be even better when they adjust the neural networks to rewrite the code for the freeway. I do think that they should make FSD in two formats. Personal use and commercial use. When he talks about how much money it is worth I’m never gonna use my car as a Robo taxi. I will only use it for personal use so the value of it is not worth the same as someone that would use it to make income. They should just have two versions of it. Also, I think that if they made it lifetime transferable one vehicle at a time I would probably pay up to 15,000 for that because I know that if I have an accident or traded in I’m not going to lose it Also if I ever rented a Tesla it would carryover to me in a rental. I do have a reservation for the cyber truck and I had checked the box for the option to get it at $6000 so I am trusting they’re going to honor that because I put my money down under those conditions. if for some reason, they don’t honor the 6000 then I will not purchase the cyber truck.
I agree but to be accurate $7000 was the day 1 Cybertruck FSD price.
Love the update. You mentioned you feel like you could take a nap as a passenger. My wife hated the previous version and wouldn't allow me to use it with her in the car but with the update, she has made a shopping list on her phone and caught up on work emails while I am driving with the updated FSD. That was the true test for me. She actually uses this sometimes now as well. Such a huge improvement but still way out of our price range for FSD.
I frequently use a two lane section US Hwy 15 in NC and because of the lack of speed limit signs FSD thinks the speed limit is 15 when it’s 55. Knowing this I switched out of letting FSD anticipate the speed of the car and just set my max speed at 60 which has worked great.
That intersections are literally a mile from my house Johns Creek! I did a double take! I know these roads and they present a great challenge for FSD.
2020 M3 with FSD beta….
Before this current version, it was more of an annoyance than anything. This new version is excellent. I use it daily now and am very impressed.
12:10 The yellow phase of a traffic light is meant for the driver to come to a safe stop when the light turns Red. „Gunning it" is a very bad habit and leads to accidents, or at the very least makes other traffic participants very uncomfortable.
I am glad to see that FSD seems to do the right thing in these situations.
Great video! I've been using FSD Beta for 2+ years and as you are seeing, the progress is really impressive!
Regarding the speed limit setting to 40 on the highway, this version mistakes the "Minimum Speed" limit signs on highways as actual speed limit signs. This is new behavior in v12, and I've seen it throughout the highways here in GA, hope they fix it soon.
From what I see here, and my own experience, I’m giving it a C+. In no way or world is it worth a whopping 12k, far better spent on a motorcycle. And If the FSD price continues to go up, that’s there problem, not mine. In no world do I need 12k worth of driving when I do it free myself everyday
I loved this video, thank you for taking the time and effort to make it! FSD's come so far from your first FSD video (the first video I viewed of your channel), and the one you put out last year.
Some of the interesting parts of this video for me:
3:20 Y'all driving around in the N ATL burbs is surreal. I drive these roads regularly.
5:32 It taking these right turn lanes appropriately without stopping. In old versions, I'd imagine it stops at the red light even though that right turn onto McFarland has right of way at all times because it has its own lane.
6:30 The confidence to proceed with the left turn despite the oncoming van having its own right of way too. It doesn't freak out like old versions, or even a person not familiar with the intersection might. Then the immediate move over to the right lane smoothly. Waiting for all of those bicyclists to cross, very naturally and not freaking them out was cool. Only thing it screwed up at Halcyon was that wacky park job. 😆
10:53 Nice U-Turn and commit despite the light turning yellow.
14:38 Caney after that three-way stop is a super tight road with practically no shoulders. I see plenty of people driving left of center while going around those bends... it looks like FSD handles it well.
15:40 You did this intersection if your first FSD video and it did terribly with it. Huge improvement. Very natural being somewhat occluded by the median.
19:25 Solid merge onto the freeway. You can imagine an all EV future where vehicles have more or less the same acceleration and one slow accelerator is not holding up the whole line of cars.
19:40 I think the reason it chooses not to complete the lane change is because of the solid white line coming in for that Kimball Bridge construction project. It didn't handle it very gracefully, but it seemed like it was more awkward than dangerous.
20:50 Waiting that late to get into the exit lane would stress me out too, especially cutting in right behind another vehicle. I do think Kim's thesis may be right though. How often do you see humans do that very thing, wait until the last moment and cut in giving no room to someone in front, behind, or both? FSD being trained on human data is a double-edged sword.
22:12 To confidently go around the truck moving left of center like that is impressive. No big deal for us humans because understand the rules have exceptions for this scenario, but for FSD, it has data showing it exceptions, but it doesn't know WHY the exception exists. Hence why the confidence impresses me.
23:20 That park job. 🤣
25:30 It definitely saw those pedestrians headed toward the road quickly. That cautiousness is super-encouraging. As it improves over time, imagine its ability to stop for animals and children dashing into the road.
29:23 This is simultaneously frightening and super impressive. That was the right maneuver and technically very safe, but yes, all those cars in the right lane (with a yield)... that's a lot of volume to make a left in front of with confidence. I love it.
On the issue of price, I do think the $12k is absurd until it is legit FSD, sleep in the backseat style. Perhaps you guys consider the $200/mo trial on your X? It'd take 5 years of subscription before costing as much as the $12k... Do you think you'll have your current X for that long? Great video. I love watching the progress of FSD and I've not found any other ATLiens sharing their experiences with it. Thanks again for your efforts!
Thanks for doing this video. I might get it on a monthly basis for trips. After 56 years of driving I could use the assistance going thru Columbus or Cincinnati for long trips.
There is a lot riding on this new update for Tesla. Hope it works out for them.
Here’s a little feedback. 12.3.3 on an expressway I came up behind a slower moving truck (15 under the speed limit). My Tesla didn’t initiate a go around (2 lanes available, no other traffic). So I put on the turn signal and waited. My Tesla would not change lanes. All I can suppose is that my car is in chill mode, so chill is what I’m gonna get.
On the highway it changed back to it’s own lane because, being trained by humans it knows that although there is a solid white line to your left that a human puts on the signal early before it changes too a dashed line and it was thinking that line should have changed to a dashed line, but when it didn’t and stayed solid it knows it is not supposed to cross a solid line and went back to its lane and stayed there because it was a solid line the whole way.
We've had FSD since December of 2021. Now our FSDv12 occasionally misses speed limit signs, but we like it a lot better than we did version 11. We basically stopped using v11 because it did phantom braking on the highway and took the wrong exits sometimes. It was a pain in the neck. Now we have high hopes that FSD will be very smooth and safe by the end of the year.
I have used FAD almost daily since it was made public and I am so impressed by this version. I believe those who use it daily are the ones most impressed. I paid $7000 and did transfer it to a new Model Y last year. My hope is that it will be transferable in the future.
I dare say that a driving position like this at 14:27 appears less than ideal. Having almost fully extended arms and legs doesn't strike me as safe. What do you think about covering Proper Seating Positions in one of your future videos on the channel?
Why pay $12k when you can get it for $200/month.
It’s less than $200 per month to finance $12,000. And the payment on the financed $12,000 will eventually go away.
It’s $99 a month right now! I think that’s a good price
I’ve had FSD for years. 12.3.3 is absolutely amazing and I actually use more often than not not. In the past FSD was only for when I was absolutely comfortable with the route. Now I engage it everywhere. It has pulled into parking lots and parked itself too. It’s awesome. Cannot wait for more advances.
Wonderful show, you two! Thank you for helping us all accelerate our learning with these incredible transportation systems! Peace
My experience, I had some interesting situations, FSD stopped at a Traffic light making a Right Turn on red (allowed in BC) but it did not proceed, I missed the pedestrian that actually finally started waking across from the right to left (he was hidden offset to a light stand that blocked my view), 2 sets of eyes are better than one set, Awestruck with how it is working. Today, it allowed a car entering from a mall access lane proceed in front as we were holding at a red light, very human like, the driver waived us thanks. it hit a light about 1 second it changed from green to yellow and it proceeded through, I would have done the same. Other longer yellow it stops for. Great technology!!! I really like how it works without lane markings, a lot of lane markings including the yellow line in the middle and the white lines have worn out over the winter here on the Sunshine Coast BC, but it drives like a professional!
I have v12 and the tendency to turn and drive close to the sidewalk edge is way more often than previous version. That’s is annoying but this aside, it is a clear improvement! No question asked!
I purchased my 2021 Model S back in January and enabled the monthly subscription the next day. I let it drive me down a rural road in the town that I live in and immediately cancelled because it was no where near ready. Fast forward to Easter Sunday and I get the notice of the trial when I get in the car. Like you and your husband, I was immediately apprehensive and ready to disengage at a moments notice. Fast forward a week and I let it drive me everywhere, even on these country roads. I’ve leaned the FSD is just a name and that it shines when you stay relaxed but involved. In fact, there are a few tricks I’ve found for all of the nuisance items you mentioned in the video. Like stopping short at stop signs, lane merging, and wrong speed limits. However, it is not worth $12k! Period. It’s not worth $199/mo. The pricing structure when Advanced Autopilot was available was fair for this still “supervised” essentially Beta version. Tesla is getting data that from every time I use it paid or not that they will use to make profit. Don’t share in the profit (stock holdings aside) and they can offset by leasing out the system that current owners are helping perfect to other manufacturers.
Also, do you realize that you have paid the price of an additional vehicle with what you’ve paid for FSD that you didn’t use in two other Teslas? Ummm $12k? No way.
Great video.... I've used FSD just as soon as it was available everyday. Both on my Model 3 and X ...I use it every day. Agree as to V12 being the first not causing me to work hard ...and enjoy the car driving itself.
FSD V12 is fantastic. First bought FSDbeta in 2019 then traded so had to buy again in 2020. With option to transfer my free supercharging and FSD in 1st quarter I did it and am very happy. FSDbeta could not do a simple 90 degree right turn in one location and V12 did it perfectly. You might not have seen the barrels and cones as you don’t have vision. My vision see everything including things I don’t see. I’ve got more than $12000 invested and I am delighted with the progress. I am 80 and believe FSD is making me a safer driver for both my protection and those around me.
The danger of pulling up so quickly when the traffic lights are amber, is that drivers following you are likely to rear end you. And if not you, then maybe three or more cars further back being rear ended due to the combination of cumulative breaking delayed actions, reducing the breaking distance.
I have a 4 month old M3P and I drove 32 miles from my office to a window tinter the other day.
60% was interstate and the rest was city driving and no disconnects going there and one coming back to my office. I actually disconnected it because it wanted to get in a right lefthand turnlane and I wanted to be in the left lefthand turnlane so it really didn't do anything wrong.
My guess is a newer Tesla will do better than your 2018 model.
Use it everyday, I felt with both FSD 11 and I driving it was safer than either of us alone. FSD 12 is close to being able to go solo.
I have it. 12.3.3 is a game changer reminds me of a teenager driving after a year
Great video guys. I had the chance to use FSD in my parents new X. It worked great, merged well, turned right on reds it accelerated well after turns also. I didn't notice the speed issue. I was impressed, I don't have fsd on my 2018 M3, so it was fun to use.
As an owner of Tesla S & X, I want TESLA to lower the MONTHLY SUBSCRIPTION to $50.
All my relatives, friends, and neighbors love that idea, so they will also SUBSCRIBE on that.
Please make a PETITION to TESLA to make it $50/month the FSD.
Have a great day to y'all!
Hi,
Are you aware that you can also subscribe to FSD on a monthly basis (turn it on/off whenever you want)
Currently it costs $199/month ($212.43 with tax)
Probably a good option for most instead of $12k - this then allows you to keep it when/if you switch to a new vehicle in the future
I did a few hour road trip and on the highway with 12.3.3 it was in the left lane on a divided highway -- at least twice, maybe three times it moved into a left turn lane at 75 mph.
Love how you said it signals for merges, then two minutes later it merged with nary one blink of the blinker. lol My Model Y does that all the time.
10:13 I just bought a used 2019 M3LR with FSD and I'm definitely using the Beta as much as I can. It's pretty hit-and-miss so far, but I'm enjoying it overall.
There's a turn-off to a side road that used to be wide open but now has one of those concrete barriers in the middle that you guys noticed it doesn't see. Well sure enough it doesn't see them despite it having reflectors standing up in the middle of it. I had to disengage because it tried to drive straight into that. I've also stopped it from going into one of the short concrete ones in the middle of the highway with no markers on it.
I also noticed it doesn't seem to have any merging etiquette. I've had it both try to cut someone off and not slow down to let someone pass me in merging. It also does not signal when merging but I can do that easy enough.
Related to the above, I really dislike how it handles passing lanes. If the lanes open up to the left, it's fine because it's already in the slow lane. However, in any situation where they open to the right, it will just stay in the fast lane regardless of the situation. (I do not have the minimal lane changes selected.) I had an angry person on my ass and it didn't want to get over. What's extra frustrating about it is I will signal to go right to try to counter this behavior and it will signal, move slightly, cancel and go back into the lane, then I signal again to say "No. Bad. Get over.", and it will (often very slowly like it's being maliciously compliant) finally move over. Usually, it will also stay lined up to the left side of the lane which is extra nerve-wracking when some jerk wants to pass me.
It also often seems to just slow down for no apparent reason. I'm just cruising at the set max speed on a smooth road with no issues and it suddenly slows down from the set 60 to 58...56...speeds back up...slows back down...why? I want to be a set consistent speed so that I'm predictable and people can use their normal cruise controls in their cars and not get annoyed at the car ahead of them fluctuating their speed. (I guess this is also a human behavior we don't want copied 'cause I see people space out and do this a lot.)
It doesn't like people turning off the road in front of me. It slows down for them which is fine and what I would do, but when they're turning off the road it will wait until they are *completely* off the road before it accelerates instead of just casually accelerating as they get out of your way. It's very awkward.
It's also pretty weird about lane changes (which I think I remember being a common thing for the previous versions). I've had it just jump into the fast lane of the highway just because when I'm going a perfectly reasonable speed and I have to cancel it and get back because some a-hole wants to go 20 over the speed limit and is zooming up behind me. It also sometimes jumps into another lane to just go faster which is very human-like. lol
Something I really want to see and I'm not 100% sure yet if it's still not doing this: getting over to the slow lane about 1-2 miles before an exit and staying there. I've seen this be a common issue in people's FSD videos and I'm hoping it learns to be more cognizant of the navigation and what lanes you should be in and when. Another thing I really really really want from doing this beta is for it to automatically go to a set increment (for me 5MPH over the speed limit) at each sign. There's an option for a mode that adjusts speed as the Tesla sees fit but that is terrifying. It just says "MAX" in blue with no indication of the actual max speed and I had it going fast enough to catch a ticket so I just quickly cancelled it. I just want to be able to cruise at 5 over. It's not the end of the world flicking up on the right scroll every time I hit a new speed sign but it is a bit annoying.
On the positive side I recently had an experience where someone slammed on their brakes ahead of me but I let the Tesla handle it and it was shocking how smoothly it handled it. It did not hesitate at all. I would've let off the accelerator for sure and it just smoothly continued knowing that it would not have to slow down. I was blown away.
I have a 2023 and it shows a great deal more than what you're seeing on your screen as far as cones and stuff. Also the newer computer never freezes like yours did... so I think you'll have a better experience on newer hardware
Kim's face during parts of this video is priceless! I had the same look when I started using my free trial of FSD
Great job on this video. Really enjoyed it. Happy to know you like this version of FSD and might use it. Keep in mind that not only is it a great luxury feature to be able to have your car drive you around comfortably while you supervise but it also results in a safer experience if you're paying attention.
Love hearing multiple points of views for certain items and issues of FSD!
We've had the beta on our y for 2 years, I use it 98% of the time and my wife uses it about 50%. If you allow yourself to really trust it, it really is phenomenal. I trust it more than when myself or my wife driving
I came back to watch this again, and I thought I'd give you a tip on the acceleration/deceleration. I noticed several times throughout the video where P.J. was noting how quickly it takes off from traffic control and other similar instances. I've heard that FSD will also behave slightly differently depending on your drive mode selected. So, if you were in standard acceleration, the car will be using that acceleration to it's full potential, but if you put it into the chill mode, then you're basically limiting the amount of power FSD can use for speeding up. Also, on another note, the highway FSD is actually not V12 yet, it's still running a different version of V11. So that may be why you were having some issues on the highway with speed, etc. Hope this helps/makes it more comfortable.
Great tip and thanks for watching!
I’ve been using FSD daily and do like it a lot. Have been seeing a lot of the same things you experienced and described. It accelerates way too quickly, to the point where I feel I will run through tires faster… It seems very hesitant at 4-way stops and always stops way too early at intersections, so then needs to creep out to actually see traffic. It also doesn’t seem to know what to do once my destinations are reached, just slowly creeps ahead for some reason. Finally, I have been finding that it will follow slow cars on the highway instead of passing them. I constantly need to coax it to pass. On the bright side, it does drive much better than an earlier versions I had tried, and reacts naturally while driving, following the flow of traffic. It even slowed down for road bumps! I do wish it also saw and avoided potholes… Overall, it is a great feature, but way overpriced. I would absolutely purchase it at 10% of its current price.
With respect to the yellow lights, in _my_ state, the official law is essentially "yellow means 'stop' if you can stop safely"; it's not "yellow means 'go' if you think you'll be able to enter the intersection before it turns red."
20:03 note that the software stack for the highway is still V11, only city streets is the new end to end neural network V12 version.
Although people may not be “using” it actively. It is actually always running in the background and pretending to drive while you are and besides just recording everything for training the AI it will mark, notate and send in every instance that you do something that was different than what the car was thinking it should have done.
So you’re saying when we are driving manually that it’s still learning from our drives? I don’t think that’s true.
the way she is steering that thing looks awkward 11:34 I guess the car steering wheel is just funny looking
I think most people will bias towards the $199 monthly subscription long term. Full price will probably be reserved for people that want to add their car to the Robotaxi network.
I use FSD once in awhile, the latest update is great, but it still has lane selection issues, does not avoid potholes or dead animals in the road, and doesn't avoid puddles or sketchy parts of the road. Still a long way to go, but definitely starting to get useful. I would say it's worth about $3k now, nowhere near 12k. I paid 10k but I'm ok with it, it's been fun to test for 2 years. And it did save my car from getting sideswiped a couple times from idiot drivers on their phones.
I am an aging adult. I found using FSD for night driving or under heavy rain is very helpful.
A quick comment: I also live in Georgia and have observed the same incorrect 40mph speed limit popping up on the highways.
I believe the car is seeing the ‘minimum 40’ speed limit signs we have in Georgia. You will see these right after the regular speed limit sign in almost all cases.
Tesla needs to update to ignore the ‘minimum 40mph’ signs
When approaching a stop sign, if you put your foot on the accelerator like you normally would or if you were disengaging Autosteer, you can pull up to the intersection as the car knows that you are paying attention.
Thanks for the real life experience w/ the latest version of FSD. 2 things; 1.) as a male driver, I am more likely to wait and not go during yellow lights, so I would disagree that it must’ve been programmed by a female-as jokingly mentioned by PJ. 2.) Kim definitely looks geek chic in glasses and should wear them all the time, always, no hesitation.
One thing i can't stand since the release of beta is that it drives extremely slow in the tunnels here in NYC and it tries to change lanes even though there's cones/ barriers between the lanes.
My son had FSD on his 2020 Y, but when the deer crossed the road, the Tesla didn't see it in time. It was dark. It was night. My son said the deer was just there. Boom! He's okay. The Tesla was totaled.
I would try his FSD periodically. For about 2 minutes at a time. It did such stupid, life-threatening things that I had to frantically seize control back. And, I yelled at the developers. Multiple times. Why did you disengage? "Out of the blue, it decided to veer into oncoming traffic. I could see the traffic! Why would it do that? Augh!" And, each one of those incidents would be the extent of my interaction with whatever version of FSD that was, and likely the next few versions after that. It made me very nervous.
That said... I've been following the progress, via RUclips, and with 12.3, it looks promising. I'm tempted to book a test drive just to check it out.
Now... my son was an early adopter. I believe he paid $7,000 for FSD. I think it's probably worth about $5k, as a feature. I don't know what the plan is. I know they want to make Robotaxis, and my son told me that the plan was to have all the vehicles with FSD could become robotaxi fleet members, when they turned that on for the public. And, my son was looking forward to having his Tesla make money for him. So... as a business proposition, I think whatever Tesla wants to charge for the ability to have my car be a member of the fleet, in order to earn me money, that's probably okay. But, as just a feature for me to use, I don't want my car driving for anyone else, just me... I think that's worth about $5,000, on top of the cost of the car. Now, I don't live in a big city. I live near a small city, but I'm out in the boonies. All I do with my current gas-guzzler, is drive to the store, drive to the doctor's office, drive to church, and drive home. As I'm getting older, it would be nice to have the car do the driving, once it's capable. But, as the cars get smarter, I would expect that to be a feature of the car. So, I'm not willing to pay 'hiring a driver' prices. Personally, I just want the freedom to be able to go whenever I want. Wherever I want. If I get a call from my daughter out of town, and we want to go visit the grandbaby, I want to be able to, right then and there, get in my vehicle and go. I don't want to call a service. I don't want to pay a per-mile fee. I just want to go. And, if I'm driving a Tesla... I want it to do the driving, and be really good at it.
That's just me.
Thank you for your test drive. I like what some of the other reviewers are saying: This is the worst that FSD will be from now on. It's only going to get better from here. With 12.3, I've actually been able to watch entire test drive videos uninterrupted. On previous version, I had to stop the videos because they were just making me too nervous!
I use it everyday, massive improvement!! It’s worth the money now! Go on road trips instead of flying!
I’m an early adopter of 2014 Tesla P85D, which is still on the road.
I have mixed feelings about FSD, but it should definitely stay with the owner NOT the car.
V12 is like an overconfident teenager. It does really great most of the time but then an occasional dumb move.
25:44 when I was watching the video I honestly thought they were running towards the street and to as why the car slowed down.
I’m retired so I don’t drive daily, but I use it every time I drive. I’m new to Tesla, with a February 2024 purchase, but I knew I wanted FSD since seeing that 12.xx was going to neural network, so I bought a low mileage Model S through Tesla that came with FSD. Awesome car, and very good but not great FSD (yet).
I’m definitely a Tesla convert, so much so that I bought $15k of Tesla stock after getting my car and using FSD 12.3.
I maybe be the oddball in this conversation but I suspect I’m in the majority when I say I have no interest in FSD. It will be part of the future driving experience but my guess is it will a few decades before it becomes an accepted norm.
Great show! I use my FSD 12.3 every day and even make up trips so I can use it more! Have fun!
My 2023 M3-RWD had hit the curb while FSDv12.3 trying to make spot for an on-coming car. This happened to me at the Costco in Windward Place, Alpharetta, GA and it was one of those weekend peak hours (just about 45 mins before Costco closes).
Yeah, for that reason I still don't trust it in tight areas. I have taken great pains to keep my alloy wheens free of curb trash, and I would have for FSD to screw them up.
I agree. The take rake would be higher if they gave previous owners a credit from a previous car purchased. Also should lower the price to $125/mo and 3k total. When it is perfected then can raise price to 10k.
If you re-watch the video when it darted back into its own lane, you will notice there was a solid line, which is likely the reason it refused to lane change.
FSD is still not there yet, I still get so many random behaviors where it tries to crash into stuff.
I know what you mean, it is noticeably better though from our semi annual visit with the software! $12k worth it though? I’m leaning towards it but PJ still thinks it’s too high.
for me FSD doesn’t crash, it works perfectly in Massachusetts.
@@6973EBA works perfect in vegas also....
FSD V12 current works better for Model 3 and Y, less good for Model S and X because the majority of data is training for smaller car. the Car drives the bigger car thinking it is smaller than it is.
@@ItsKimJava I think it’s not worth 12k yet because it’s not at the point where I prefer to use it over driving manually.
My wife and I are using the 30 day free trial offer on her Model Y and we both love it, except for the price. I have a 2019 Model 3 for around town use and it came with Enhanced auto pilot which reduces the price of FSD to $6000, but I’m not going to buy it for just running errands. We’re retired on fixed income, so $12g is out of the question. We’ve been driving Teslas for about four years so the transition to FSD was an easy one. ❤
20:43 the truck was highlighted blue - vehicle it must interact with - and it was waiting for them to pass you so it could make the lane change.
Reno Uber driver here! 2022 MX w/ 83,000+ miles. Use FSD ~70% of all trips. Been a beta tester since… Oct. 2021
Thanks for sharing. I'm an advocate for transferable FSD. As a matter of fact i feels it should rather.be linked to the owners account and not the vehicle. If fsd is on your account and you fly to another city, rent a Tesla, log in with your account and have Full self driving available.
I think you need to change from dark mode to day mode on your screen.
I use it everyday, and I think it drives cautiously like a new driver with better skills but still bad or indecisive decisions.
Get it. It is very safe when supervised.
You're paying for safety and a great feature that will be well worth it when it is complete.
Fsd 12 vast improvements. Concerning whether it will stop for gates, in my experience I was going through a toll gate and I had to disengage fsd as the car would have ran through the gate. It appears it still does not see the bar.
In regards to transferring FSD for early adopters, I feel FSD should be in our Tesla app profile, for access on any Tesla we drive and linked to the FSD owner instead of the linked to the vehicle. It is just software after all.
I have FSD on my model S and I love it. I use it daily on pretty much every trip. 12.3 was okay but since I got 12.3.3 it feels more confident and calm. The only complaint I have is that sometimes it doesn't get up to speed quickly and is a little to calm. It also occasionally needs throttle to commit to traffic circles. Overall though it is very good.
Vibrate your seat? lol! What would be cool is if you could put Optimus in the passenger seat and it could give you a nudge with its elbow! PJ is really cool though so probably best to stick with having him there!
I can't wait until it's gone!!!
Driving to dinner approached left turn on green, car length from enter section light turned yellow steering wheel started shaking. I took over and accelerated through. On the way home from dinner same thing going straight through light when car length from enter section car slowed down really fast, enough to push is forward into our seat belts another yellow light. I thought I wasn't seeing something so I hit the brakes. Glad no one was behind us. Still not ready.
2023 Model Y
I tried 12.3 FSD on California Highway 17 which I had to take control several times. 2018 model 3 awd
Love the "look at that counter" haha. I'm still waiting on FSD free month on my Model Y Performance.
Do you have wi-fi? I don't, and I didn't get my trial until I downloaded the latest update from my workplace (I connected to my phone, which was connected to Wi-Fi). As soon as the update was installed I got the email telling me about the FDS trial.
@@scrashthepunkstar I was wondering about that, I do have wi-fi... maybe I will check it again. Thanks for the reply. But it has updated twice in the last 2 weeks and still no FSD update.
Really appreciated this video. Currently using v11.1 and continually amazed at its progress from the beginning. We are on our 3rd ModelX lease and have purchased the FSD feature for all. We definitely feel “slighted” as you say, however I feel we are investing in an amazing technology. I really like the technology that Tesla has brought to us and I plan to be exclusively Tesla once I get my CyberTruck! +$10K for an 3 year lease is too much to pay for FSD, but if we can get real FSD before our next 3-year lease then that’ll be nice!
The FSD doesn't make me as nervous as Kim's way-too-relaxed driving position.
Noticed you had your speed setting on offset. There's a new setting Auto Max speed. In this setting FSD determines the speed, you can't adjust using scroll wheel. Hiwever you can press the accelerator without disengaging. It might have gone slower exiting the dirt driveway because speed offset seems to have many roads at 25 mph. Thanks for the video and I think it's worth it because I plan on using it for family and friends robotaxi. My mom is in her 80s as well as many of her friends. My wife also have neuropathy in her feet, so a couple more updates and I think she will be independent once again. Once I get the cybertruck I want to put this in the robotaxi fleet so to me it's a good investment.
Actually they've trained FSD using a subset of the driver pool, only the best drivers. It didn't stop at the light when it could have 'floored it' to get through before the red because of the laws, it did it because that is what the training taught it to do. I also wanted to mention that the highway driving is still v11, not v12.3.3, unless that has changed recently. I've had FSD for a 3 years, and I use it pretty much every time I drive, and report every intervention to Tesla. That is the whole point of having Beta testers. The biggest issue with v12.3.3 that I've seen is there seems to be a gap between what the routing system knows about the upcoming lanes and turns and what FSD's planning is doing. It often knows it is supposed to exit the highway, signals and gets over next to the exit lane, and then misses the exit. Or it has a right turn coming up 2 streets ahead, and changes lanes into a turn only lane one street too soon.