How should Tekken 8 change?
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- Опубликовано: 26 сен 2024
- In this video, Rip takes a deep dive into Knee's recent tweet expressing his dissatisfaction with Tekken 8. Rip breaks down the context behind Knee's statement and shares his own thoughts on the current state of the game. He discusses how the new mechanics in Tekken 8, such as the heat system and chip damage, have significantly altered the defensive playstyle that many players, including Knee, prefer.
Rip also explores the community's divided opinions on Tekken 8, drawing comparisons to the reception of past titles like Tekken 4 and Tekken Tag Tournament 2. Throughout the video, Rip provides insights into the challenges of balancing a fighting game and the potential impact of future patches on Tekken 8's gameplay. Whether you're a dedicated Tekken fan, a competitive fighting game player, or simply interested in the evolving landscape of the FGC, this video offers a fascinating look at the ongoing debate surrounding Tekken 8.
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A game that puts so much emphasis on pressuring up close shouldn't make blocking such a disadvantage. Playing defense feels weak because you take so much chip damage if you correctly block strings. So often it feels like you're losing when defending correctly.
I think you said it better than anywhere else I've read. This is how it feels and for me, no, it's not so fun. Unless you're playing an aggressively offensive character. Then just steam on ahead collect your carried Ws.
Just holding back to block isn’t defense that should be rewarded.
@@jimdino77 couldn't it be argued that constantly attacking shouldn't be rewarded also unless it's a clean hit/CH?
@@jimdino77 pure smooth brain comment
The issue is that in trying to force aggressive gameplay, they have turned everyone into a mixup rushdown monster. This has actually hurt rather than helped character diversity. Most of the time you are either defending long strings/flowcharts of aggro, or doing the same to your opponent. Small Tekken has been compromised too much. The heat system dumbs things down even more. Combos are way too long still, and added to heat bursts and rage arts it makes for a game that feels on autopilot for so much. Far too much guessing and 50/50 situations. You get locked into situations where there is nothing except holding on for dear life, guessing, and waiting for your turn. The actual playtime is reduced.
Also, having nerfed backdash wouldn't be as severe if they hadn't also given characters moves with exorbitant range and tracking covering tools to control distance. This makes spacing much less of a factor and the game feels not just automated but claustrophobic.
I’m fine with the more aggressive game and like being encouraged to press more buttons. I love this game so far.
But I think they need to reduce how common pure guessing scenarios are in this game, which it seems like they’re doing.
To be clear, I think 50/50’s are fine, they’re just too easy to create in this game. Should be an opportunity that you earn, not the foundation of the game flow.
A lot of thigs have this intentionaly add damn one option that kills opition select/counter option.
I was checking coffee clown low into back turned mixup. ,,ok so I can either try to chalange with duck jab but she got mid launcher that will trade and will kill me but is unsafe sounds like... SYKE mid, launching, safe orbital enjoy casino.
Monkey mode aka Jun: ok f3+4 stance: high homing, mid power crush, damaging low, lineral mid. ,,och so i can ss into Du... SYKE power crush is homing missle for almost 50 dmg but self recoverable dmg and - 13 so balanced.
And there are more examples: Victor f3 options, Lili 1,1 into bacturned options, of course I'm talking when you block her. It is really not funny to play against such thing. Not only are quiet forced to pressing but also you are non-stop gambling.
I totally agree with you. Many of us who have been bitching arent against a more aggressive game. Its just that the way to that aggression is so easy and the risk/reward for the offensive player is all messed up.
Unfortunately, I dont know if Namco understands this seeing as how their design philosophy seems to revolve around giving every character moves that easily transition into mixup stances. Where one option in that stance covers most of what the defender wants to do or has such a high reward for such little risk its better to just stand there and block for dear life.
Try playing virtua fighter lmao
@@ATC43welp, tekken 7 is right there
Tekken should have 4 health bars
I hate that they took away retaliation mechanics such as reversal 'chickening' and tackle arm bar reversal while adding aggressive mechanics just to favour aggressive players.
You CAN add aggressive mechanics to favour aggressive players WITHOUT having to remove defensive and retaliation mechanics.
Bring back reversal 'chickening' and tackle arm bar reversals.
How do buff parries in return? Parries are rare in high level. Being able to chicken out of them made them worthless
@@jimdino77 You can't chicken out of parries, only reversals.
What exactly is chickening? Since Tag 2 I don’t understand what that is lol
@@c0wboys4life Counter attacking a reversal is called 'chickening'
Let me just say this: I've been a huge Tekken fan since 3 and my love for the series will always be there. That said, Tekken 8 is not hooking me the way Tekken 7 did. And it all boils down to the samey-ness I experience while playing it. You can say that Heat makes almost every fight feel like you're just following the same pattern or formula.
Arslan Ash said it better, and I agree-every fight is basically launch>combo (without screw)>screw>combo opponent to wall>activate heat>combo some more.
The expressiveness of the game is gone, along with the versatility and identity of the characters.
And I don't know for the love of me why Bamco decided to give some characters the ability to guard break. Since it's all about offense now, why be selective about it?
Exactly. It’s objectively boring AF. If it’s going to be this boring. I’d rather see professional turtling and defense.
TBH tekken 7 also doesn't have identity. If you want to see the real identity tekken 6 is the best in this series because different players have different style and you can differentiate players, but not in tekken 7 and tekken 8.
@@jorgesmith2000 please learn how to use the word "objectively"wrong. Objectively the game is unbalanced, objectively aggression is the focus. Boring is literally a subjective point of view. Be better at getting your point across.
I think it only needs small changes to be great. Heat smash should be at least -13 on block. It’s insane they’re plus with follow ups. The risk/reward is nonexistent. Scale up the damage on low parry combos and a little character balance and you’re there.
Is that the fuckin lost planet 2 training mode theme? What a crazy pull for music choice lmao
Thank you, bro. I was like: "This music going crazy 🗿I hope someone in the Comments has my back."
"Its Friday Friday gotta get down on Friday"
Lost planet was good times fr! Gonna have to turn on the PS3
I feel every new entry of a fighting game goes through this. FGC just loves to complain about everything. People just need to adapt. Also if Knee and Arslan were dominating every tournament they would not be complaining.
Facts, mvc3, mkx, and sf3rd strike all went through complaining then they love it.
The thing is this game only exists as is apparently because people love bitching about defense
True people complained about heavy defense style in T7 so they made T8 more offensive focused lol
@@superbadisfunmy OMG T8 players complain about the s tiers but yun and chun in 3rd strike were much more broken. Heck even T4 jin, T5 steve, and T1 King were more powerful.
I like the aggression, I just want mixups to be more timing based than mid/low based. CHs feel more rewarding than being able to freely setup 50/50 mid/low where either option is 40+ damage.
I love this take because mental frames created from timing mixups make slow moves good. So the game doesn’t devolve to a safe poke fest
Tekken 8 isn’t fun to play over a long stretch of time which is what disappoints me about it. It’s fun in small doses.
Some will say that but then I'd say this is the most fun I've had with tekken since Tekken 3
@@superbadisfunmy this is the least amount of fun I’ve had with a Tekken game. In prior games you could at least move around and do actions in general. In Tekken 8 a lot of the time you don’t get a chance to play
Scrubs and noobs like this gsme the most because they can't do better in previous versions. I have seen players that can't even block reach higher ranks because this game benefits players who aren't good at defense and movement which are scrubs or noobs.
Speak for yourself, I might get annoyed with all these special moves now in Tekken but I still enjoy putting some hours in playing it
@@c0wboys4life it funny how people can’t accept criticism of this game.
I love the chip damage in T8.
As a professional fighter, I think chip damage is realistic. You don’t block massive haymakers in real life, without them affecting you.
True, we may block some heavy kicks, but shit still hurts..
it still shake us, and limbs got swollen..
Firstly, no one cares that you're a "professional" fighter. Secondly, Tekken isn't a fighting sim, so your point makes no sense. Just because you get beaten up in real life doesn't denote any merit on a video game having chip damage that forces you into a linearly aggressive playstyle.
@@emeryyevgeny8154 Firstly, you don't need to be this mad lol..
he just want to express himself, let him be..
what's wrong with tekken player nowadays..
I also hate people put the reality on a video game and that's juts so dumb.
@@ConstantioMahardikalol you wouldn’t have survive tekken 6 online kid 🤣🤣🤣 the messages were outrageous
Nobody wants Tekken 7 2.0. We just want them to balance the new mechanics. Heat is cool, chip damage is cool, recoverable health is cool. But counter play is needed for every super strong offensive option
idk abt the heat system to be removed completely. just tone it down and balance the game who wants tekken 8 to be the same game as tekken 7
people who thought tekken was much better before. Tekkem 8 is the only game with heat so removing it would make it like the other tekken games not just 7..
delete the insanely scrubby safe on block power crush heat engagers lmao
The problem is those powercrushes are meant for countering aggressive plays. Nerfing it without nerfing offensive moves wouldn't get us anywhere imo.
But yeah it's annoying jabbing into a mid powercrush and blocking creates pushback and makes the move unpunishable. For high powercrushes, I got no issue. They're both duck-able, high-crush-able and step-able.
I hate that Azucena and Victor can do that shit from range 3. Like how do play aggressive when they can just spam that shit
The high powercrushes are the real problem because it activates while you are attacking and it's safe on block.
People who say scrubby are just not good at the game. Scrubby 😂😂
Using powercrushes constantly doesn't mean you are better or have better skills.
Tekken 8 is fine. Just a few balance adjustments and we'll be fine.
Your take on the Quake comparison really hit home for me, but mainly because I know we both have a similar gaming lineage. Either way, good takes and thoughts on the whole ordeal. The game will continue to be refined but it is what it is at this point.
Personally, if I could reset my rank, I would consider taking it. I bought the game for my kids to play and hopped on line as a 'beginner' for several matches. Once you get passed the Special Style players, the game was way more fun. I didn't feel like I was at a tournament every flipping match.
The problem of the game can be summarized in two sentences.
Tekken 7 one of the only fighting games were defending and pressuring are similarly fun and I would even say the defending is more fun blocking a hellsweepers way more enjoyable than launching one on the opponent .
In T8 only the person who is attacking is having fun.
Since I played Fenway, it doesn’t hurt me as much, but even winning in the high ranks feels shitty
Start with buffing movement back to TTT2 levels.
From a casual perspective, I tried Tekken 7 and liked it but it didn't hook me.
Tekken 8 has get me all in. It's the first fighting game since DOA3 that I really wanted to be good at a fighter, so I want Tekken 8 to stay Tekken 8 and not just be another T7.
I think there are Tekken fans that assume everyone is unhappy with the game because they surround themselves with people that hate the game. For example, T8 isn't Mostly Negative on Steam because the general audience hates it, it's because of the battlepass and shop.
But that said, I know BanCo has to keep both casuals and pros happy. I hope they can rework things that makes the game still feel like the fun and fresh T8, but improve defensive options to keep their older fans happy.
1:45 right on the money
They should also randomize stages every match if we chose RANDOM stage…why do we have to back out to character select so we can randomize the stage????
I honestly really like Tekken 8. Other than the balancing I think a few tweaks may make the game legit. I fell in love with Tekken because the defensive movement was so unique. I saw the way Mr. Naps, Nin and Knee were moving in Tekken 6 and it blew my mind. I would say since the offense is so oppressive one way to alleviate a lot of the offensive pressure is to increase back dash distance. For example Shaheen's back dash feels amazing and fluid while Law's feel like I'm in the mud. I get hit a lot more trying to backdash with Law, King (players with bad back dashes) than actually defending. I don't like that it feels I have to sit there and take the mix rather then relying on skill developed over years of play. It feels the game is saying 'we don't want you to move' and I don't like that.
Great video and great insight with consideration to the whole scene using constructive criticism. You can tell the people who will have not watched the video and came here just to continue the twitter arguing. :D
Thanks! Much appreciated
Genuine question regarding the tweet and your point of Tekken 7.2, if everything is “Just slightly improve what you did” is it worth investing time or money into any new products? Producers/developers want to show off their ideas and skills on new projects, do we shun their creativity just to get the same thing we already had? I’m curious as it seems like the old/new gen just can’t find a good middle.
"Show off their ideas and skills on new projects" is fine, but always has a risk. Go too far and you risk alienating some of the fan base, not enough and people get bored of the same thing again. If they had come out the gate with it minimally different than T7, people would have complained as well ("all they did was add more stage interactions and changed the combo extender mechanic again"). Before T8 was ever shown I wanted to make a video about where T8 would even go after 7. They had kind of peaked with wall bounce etc. Just adding simple stage/combo extensions wouldnt seem like enough, so T8 actually 'makes sense' in trying to create something new. The issue is that the new additions are divisive for the community because they challenge some of the core legacy of the entire franchise
Damn I didn’t even notice that. I’m a tekken king and have been more frustrated now than I was before in the lower ranks.
First off the bugs of the game are definitely annoying playing lili and doing a ss cancel from cd when an opponent actives a rage art will flip the camera and if you're holding back you'll get hit. then all the random bugs while your playing and you're just "okay" moments those needs to be fix. Now the gameplay and that aggressive play style they want you to play is probably the biggest reason of turn off, even though I play Anna in tekken 7 I still play really defensive. I'll explain why the aggressive play is lame to me, the idea that power crush now takes recoverable damage and is safe when being hit sounds like I can walk up and spam a good power crush and not deal with keep out moves, then if you want to try to counter the power crush you throw, the idea that you should consider using offensive options to deal with offensive options is lame. the fact that throws and power crush can almost be the answer to all your problems is just stupid . the fact that throws is a universal homing option now I basically use it when I am calling out a step to force a duck or a break then power crush then reset then again mix it up with a safe mid launcher -3 or less play the power crush again, once you start spamming power crush and throws you'll understand how stupid the game can get but still your character needs a decent power crush.
I think chip and heat are actually good but they just need to be adjusted. The 50/50 is the worst part and should be reduced. If they did that and got rid of the constant camera changes and made rage arts more punishable it would make the game faster and more fun imo
How are rage arts not punishable enough. They are -15 on block which most of the cast can launch unless your playing steve or someone like him
@@azukiblankgaming8016 i mean being able to interrupt them. The only way to do that is to deal enough damage to kill with a tiny window.
@hyperreal I think a big enough window to block so you don't just simply jab and die for it would be enough. But realistically there probably won't be any changes to rage arts.
I feel like just tone down the oppressive frames of heat engagers, remove the homing on heat burst, make the damage on stage hazards lower, cut the chip damage in half and we'll have a better game
I love the game but these are great improvements.
Same thing happens in shooters and any game that is trying to get new players and keep the money flowing, it is a business after all. Lowering the skill gap is necessary, especially for Tekken. Mainman made a good point that now the newbies have left, game sales are gonna slow down dramatically. Now you can focus back on your real player base and the newbies that stuck around. All the over-tuned new mechanics can be toned down. We can have a new Tekken with new graphics and new mechanics without all the silliness you thought you needed to make your game look flashier and appeal to new players. Give us balanced/hype content and we’ll stick around for another 10 years Namco 👍
I'm glad you guys are speaking out. As a long life fan, this is what we need to do right now. It's not being negative or anything, it's just being clear about the issues we see with the game. Reviews about the recent balance patch have been positive, but I disagree. In the case of Zafina, for example, I see she was trash and now she has been buffed, but the way she was buffed seems to me like she just earned some casino bullshit, and that's just not what Tekken should be about. What needs to be buffed is DEFENSE. The problem here is the overall philosophy behind this entry. The delicate balance between offense and defense has been compromised in such a way that right now depth is SUPERFICIAL and randomness has been elevated to the highest level of gameplay.
Just play tekken 7 and quit crying. The game is great.
@@666slateran666I see we have you smooth brains to thank for this wonderful game we are playing. Go get ripped off buying more bs microtransactions. how about no 😂. Nothing wrong with listing off OBJECTIVELY bad things in the game such as homing grabs or overpowered heat smashes. News flash, balance patches and bug fixes happen because people complain. Complaints make the game better. Namco could sell you Lidia for 30$ and you would accept it and tell people who diagree to leave 😂.
I feel like the less people play Tekken 8, the less offensive the game will end up being, and they'll eventually buff up the defensive aspect of the game. The problem with that is that we'll have to wait at least 5 years for that to happen, right?, since they want to extend the game's lifespan to 10 years💀. It's a complete agony and it fills you with uncertainty if they will solve the game's problems in a timely manner. Today it feels like the developers are listening to the players. Still I feel like the development team is not at a level of maturity to address all the problems that a game as a service means.
@@Dead-Lit Well, I wouldn't go as far as recommending people to stop playing. I mean, I am a Tekken fan and I want Tekken to succeed. I just think it is important that we voice our opinions in a respectful and grounded way to help the developers have a better understanding of what we think. There's no need to be toxic or to 'cancel' anyone or anything when the developers are embracing communication. Right?
Tekken 8 is the HEAT game. That is the one "non-Tekken" mechanic that should stay strong. Getting clipped while backdashing, tracking throws, moves auto-correcting and/or having nuts tracking, giving everyone a demon paw, giving everyone else a +5 wr2, rage arts being better than in T7, the Lars/King buff that allow them to do free 50/50s, etc. are the things that can go without T8 losing its personality.
Heat is garbage. It forces both players into range 0 and weights the 50/50 higher than any other option while putting the defender in a no win situation. Then on top of that chip punishes you for good defense.
Heat destroyed Tekken.
@@dacatindahat8275 I don't like heat, but I think we should try to meet the developers halfway on their vision.
@@ryangalloway3107 I agree with you however heat just feels unnessesary. Why did Tekken need heat again? I cant remember ANYONE asking for tekken to have meter. Hell, people HATED meter with akuma and geese. Can anyone honestly answer that question.
What vision? “We added heat because WE THINK pro level is boring to watch” that’s the only reason why they added the mechanic lmao
The main difference between tekken 8 and tekken 4 is tekken 4 only had a life of 3 years, so it being highly divisive wasn't as big of a deal since new game coming soon. tekken 8 is contentious and expected to have a shelf life of 10 years before any new tekken comes out
Remember there was no online during tekken 4 time and people had to play at arcade.
The problem is the game's too aggressive and defensive options are nerfed something the Devs recognized and said they'd look into in the patch notes, I think they just tunneled too hard on the whole aggression thing and didn't think about the potential consequences
I think heat burst should only come from one of the moves that put you in it. Not a get out of jail free move. And get rid of cut scene rage drive.
Anyone already want a new Tekken game?
Yeah I feel like even if they fix tekken 8 we still have to deal with Reina and victor bullshit…. We need a new game without those characters
@@molamola5260 To be honest, I would love a Tekken game with every single character. Including all Kazuya's and Jin's dev forms and Nancy and so on
Heat and chip is totally fine considering each aggressive action you take leads to you gaining that lost health back. All it takes is one right read/proper block and punish and BOOM! Now momentum is in your favor again because you had good defense. Defense is super rewarding in T8 and I don’t see how other people aren’t recognizing that. Just look at the amount of health you could get back once you land a Heat Engager. People just want to play a Tekken 7.5 because they can’t or don’t want to adapt to T8’s environment.
I will Say watching T8 competitively is so much more enjoyable to watch and play. You either fight or get beat up. Love it.
The chip damage could be highly reduced. The heat system is actually cool, it just needs more balance.
Tekken 8 is complicated compared to other previous Tekken due to the new heat system. But Tekken 8 is Tekken 8, if don't like it, time to go back to older Tekken games
na the thumbnail went crazy 💀💀 rip cooked with the edited twitch comments 🐐
Rip is so calm and mature 🖤
Thumbnail is goated, nice video
Song in the outro?
I'll be real man, I was thinking that Tekken 8 is what Harada saw Tekken 4 being, or what he would've made it if the technology would handle it. I'm a fan of Tekken 4, and believe it was never as bad as people made it out to be compared to other fighting game franchises, but dislike Tekken 8's lack of defense in the same way I dislike Tekken 4's balancing and broken shit. Given that, I can understand why people enjoy Tekken 8 as well in the way I still enjoy Tekken 4, but ultimately do believe this is where Tekken team wanted the game to always go, but couldn't because of hardware limitations and already getting scorched right before Tekken 5.
As a new tekken player i think tekken 8 is a good attempt to gain a bigger market share by attracting fgc members of other games
I wish I could play a version of Tekken 8 that removed the Heat system but kept the chip damage. I'm just curious how that would play or if it would be sufficient to encourage "aggression" or whatever. The Heat system is just so goofy though.
Yo T8 but just remove heat sounds fire
I've been saying for a while now that it would be so much better without heat. Never going to happen though.
That's basically Tekken 7
I think heat burst needs more consistent counters. The fact that it freezes you mid grab or low to hit you feels pretty bad
they should give some defensive options in heat like a heat parry or heat counter and bring back chicken
Its annoying hear veterans of tekken remind people that ALL inital release versions of Tekken?
Are the MOST GARBAGE. We have like 10 games to look back at to see, that the game will only improve from here.
Feels like everyones just doom posting & farming for easy engagement
There are balance adjustments and minor adjustments, but the heat system is a major part of tekken 8. They are not going to remove heat, so therefore it’s a garbage ass game.
They need to tone stuff down a little, but there's a great game in there. I'm still having lots of fun.
KNEE "I dont think I've adapted to this game" So... Gods can bleed.
I don’t hate Tekken 8 whatsoever, but I hope for a little balancing and mild change. I loved tag 1 and 7, so I’m all for changes that work
When that much of players say they don’t having fun with 8 including some of the very best players in the world u should know that this game has a problem.
Personally im not having fun playing tekken 8 and I dropped it after 1 month hoping for real good balancing.
When Tekken 7 came out netcode was so bad for months that I wouldn't play online after watching Asia play the arcade for a year. That was messed up.
The tournaments looked like a match if ranked match and I like defensive tekken backdashing and side stepping and spacing but it is what it is
I always played fast and loose and tried to break turtles because I hated defensive style. I've never done very well at any other tekken. Finally all my hard work is paying off and I'm destroying kids in Tekken 8.
Now it's a risk optimization game As opposed to a risk minimization game. it is way more fun in my opinion.
I prefer also defensive style of play. I struggled like 15 years until i learned to counter play so many moves and character playstyles. I like to play someone and figure out how they are playing. I need deathmatches back so i can play opponents longer. Why is it limited to 2 or 3 matches? Thats my Biggesee Handicap. I cant Download opponent in 2 or 3 matches.
I think my biggest issue with 8 is that every combo brings me (and seemingly anyone else in Fujin) to the wall.
That is the purpose of the game, which increases your chances of closing the match. There are characters who absolutely need to take you to the wall to do decent damage and that is a problem.
@@Dead-Lit purpose of the game is to do what? I just don’t understand your first sentence. Thx.
@@Akkbar21 “wall-carry your opponent”
Thing about quake 4 was that the original creative team was gone. Tekken 8 is tho. Weird difference.
I just want them to fix the session and lobby issues man😭. We should be able to search for sessions by NAME🤦🏿♂️
Imo tekken team just leaning on the fighting game psychology. Don't figure out how get good, just do a rage art, heat smash, or power crush. Don't get angry, save urself with a one button move, keeps lower level players engaged.
Have u ever seen a king just doing uf3+4, and b3? Cracks me up
Tekken4 also didn’t have the luxury of online data (to inform product decisions) and software updates
T8 is so much fun and many Pros are saying so - it's just that some with very loud voices have trouble adapting - because it's very different - then again, the game is not that old yet
AND you were EMPEROR on tag 2, Law of merica!!!
Tekken 6 gameplay was the peak of perfection, it went downhill after that.... imagine the graphics of TEKKEN 8 combined with the clean gameplay of TEKKEN 6.... that how tekken should be right there, leave the gameplay alone and improve on everything else, that's what they should've done , tekken doesn't need gameplay changes it just needs quality of life improvements and awesome graphics that's it
Nope tekken 7 was peak , it did everything right
@@molamola5260 it would've been if not for ragearts, but because of ragearts and power crush i don't consider tekken 7's gameplay clean
I play at tekken king level and the game is boring
How come you think it’s boring? Is it too easy for you or something?
@@jaym.1446it’s repetitive, every match is more or less the same. There is no wiggle room to be creative and do flashy combos. You’ll lose if you drop a single combo, and you’ll need as much damage as you can get out of every combo. I ain’t messin around.
Tekken 8 is fun ! But if you don’t like it, don’t buy do not play
Imo give heat at the start of the set but after you use it, its done for the set. OR dont give it at the start and make it a meter
Rip makes an excellent point, but Tekken 8 still sucks. I don't have to accept it for what it is, I'm simply choosing to play other games that are more fun. My main concern is that Tekken 8 has as long of a run as Tekken 7 did. I don't want to go another 10 years without a fun Tekken to play
Honestly, if the game doesnt sell well or drops off, then they wont be able to continue it for that long. Money is all that matters in that decision long term
Ok now. Hear me out. What if Heat was removed all together for a week? Or a little more?🤔
Then we'll be playing tekken 7 all over....
Tekken tag had chip damage, and ki charge gave you chip damage in previous tekkens.
It feels like they overnerfed the defensive style of Tekken. They already nerfed backdash / removed infinites / increased tracking / gave more 5050 opportunities , it feels like chip damage was the straw that broke the camels back.
Also the big thing I think a lot of people forget is that saying a game isn’t fun doesn’t mean that the game itself is bad.
Actually that's exactly what it means. A good game is fun a bad game is not.
@@dacatindahat8275 There are plenty of critically acclaimed games that aren’t “fun.” The Telltale games for instance are an amazing story-telling medium but I’d hardly call them fun. There are also games that are fun and are perceived as awful, like to most people the only good thing about MVCI was the gameplay itself but that game effectively killed the franchise. For a lot of people fun isn’t the main reason they enjoy the hobby, some people like the satisfaction of slowly getting better at something, some people liked to be immersed in a good story and some people just enjoy competition. Fun might be a major factor in what makes a game good to you, but that’s not the case for everyone.
It's not fun watching 2 guys backdash on each other all day. Harada is based and correct
@@666slateran666 odd considering 7 had more eyeballs than any other FG of the Era and was hype as hell. When the game dies in a year because of what they have done you and the 3 people on earth that agree can have it all to yourselves.
@@dacatindahat8275 it only got popular because of stuff like lil Majin and the Pakistani scene. And it took tekken 7 years to get that popular. I'm having more fun in 8 then I ever had in 7. Sorry people have preferences 🤷♂️
Heat should be earned and not be available from the start
There is a reason why I love tekken instead of the general 2d fighting game.. its because I dont want to spend my time playing guessing game... I mean sure there are mindgame and such, but its still 50:50 at the end of the day.... and Tekken do have 50:50 in the past with + frames pressure and stuff... but I generally think that if you are in that situation than you already lost and being able to get away from that its just luck or the enemy happen to have habit of doing certain thing that I am able to catch.... in T7 at least thats why movement is crucial and give player the ability to approach the game how they want.. pressure as a result is also varied depending on person to person...
now its all artificial defensive sequence until either you guess right, and still not being rewarded appropriately sometimes... or you just lost from dragunov spamming hatchet kick over and over again as an example (well at least its nerfed already)..
Yeah but tekken 4 didn’t look similar to tekken tag, so it’s not quite the same. Tekken 4 was actually fun despite having only a few characters. Defense was rewarded. Not the case in Tekken 8. Doesn’t matter if it’s not going to be tekken 8 anymore. The game just needs to fix the fundamental issues. Fuck the heat system.
I 100% agree im in gold ranks and everyone uses over powered characters rush you activate heat at start of each round chip you out power crush the entire match then grab until it works. Speaks volumes when i stream and use a new character and can beat a tekken god with my 30 min character only using basic fundamentals. The game is getting boring
I don't play tekken but you can consider me professional tekken watcher. I watch all the tournaments. Watch your ATL on afreeca. And don't know why it's not fun to watch tekken 8 tournaments. I haven't felt hype at all in any T8 tourney. Apart from couple of matches, Evo Japan was so meh. In T8, when someone's getting pressured, instead of duck n launch, sidestep or low parry people be brute forcing with powercrush and Heat burst. Idk everything seems so formulaic rather than outplaying opponents.
THIS. I'm a high level player and you are spot on. The game is currently designed in a way where the best options defensively are to either block(and get chipped to death) or use Powercrush/Heat Burst to escape pressure. Youll rarely see anyone try to duck or sidestep because if they get caught theyre being put into a blender with Heat. Like you said, it makes match outcomes feel VERY formulaic and samey. And this all stems from them overbuffing offensive tools.
Thats actually really good insight. Aside from everything you mentioned, I still think the health recovery system has also hurt the slow-mo system
@@LevelUpYourGamethere is no wiggle room to do anything fun or creative. You literally have to play to win every match. Max damage combos all day bc you’ll need it, and you can’t afford to drop a single combo. This makes the game too serious and boring. Oh the irony.
If we just pile hate on 8 and drive people away from it, we will just kill the game and franchise we all love. Am I on the right track?
tekken 7 survived for so long because of the formular and system it had, but tekken 8 is not fun especially in the long run. Tekken 8 will get old wa faster than t7
Maaaan I love tekken 8. It’s got its ups and downs. Every game has that tho. Tekken 7 had its ups and downs. Tekken 6 was boring to watch lol.
So you one of those players that needs sparks flying and razzle dazzle to watch and understand a game 🤦🏾♂️🤡
tekken 8 has 0 ups its a terrible game once i reached purple ranks I just gave up this game is so mash friendly victor spam eddy spam so much shit just for me to lose to heat smash this game is dookie water
You guys don’t know how to mash properly then. And what’s wrong with razzle dazzle ? And to say this game has 0 ups? That’s crazy
@@treadmill1383 victor has a like a 7 to 8 hit string off just mashing 2.....luckily i didnt pay for this shit so its whatever
I’m with you 100%, this shit fun as hell
I don't like the dev's revisionism of tekken 7 as defensive focused. it was already trying to dumb down, simplify, and heavily push the pitbull lockdown style all they really did was double down on it for 8
old tekken mode confirm season 2
said no more
10:06 so what about the people who didn’t buy her in T7 should they get her for free.. that doesn’t make any sense ..
And if you run a poll on how many actually bought her in T7 from the 10mil people who bought the game..
I think they are a really small fraction of..
also do you think your getting Lidia T7 or revamped/enhanced Lidia for T8 so your saying the devs aren’t allowed to charge for a revamped character.
Agreed also hated tag 2 and I think tekken 8 is worse
Please remove the the cenimatic cutscene moves. Personally it isn't fun watching or playing a 60 round match with 30 seconds worth of cenimatics 2 Rage arts and 2 heat moves per match can add up.
If you're going to have heat and rage then players should have to choose one before the match starts, having both just seems over dramatic.
I hate beating somebody with fundamental tekken only for them too throw random heat smash, heat burst, while in rage then Rage art and equal the score.... more often than not, I lose to being robbed by shenanigans rather than actually being beaten by opponents skill
Wow! That is such a simple yet effective idea!
I think heat in a defensive way would be very interesting
I hope that doesnt happen
Thats like eating taco bell to cure a stomach ache 😂
6:59 Tekken’s popularity as a whole is largely based on e-sports and the competitive scene. Even if a casual doesn’t play online he most likely cares a lot how balanced the competitive side is from the point of view of the pros.
If there were no tournaments, if there were no Tekken youtubers, Tekken 7 would have not even sold half of what it achieved.
I mention it because the opinion of the pros and the streamers matter almost more than the casual playerbase, because the excitement and dedication of the casuals to the game is dependent of the pros and the streamers.
I think Bamco went to HAM giving beginners enough simplified incredibly strong tools so they can get more wins through the casino theme of the game, because i think it was clearly backfiring on them, which is why they are listening to the conmunity with the changes.
Tekken8 is totally unbalanced. Worst Tekken ever. Full of bugs not fully finished and released to get money
Wow I'm glad you said that. I hated fighting Kunimitsui. That character was absolutely bullshit.
Disliked for kuni hate speech
Man, I miss Tekken 4
Assuming you’re not being sarcastic. I definitely miss the flashy and creative combos of Tekken 4 / Tekken 5.
the reason why pros dont like t8 is cos the game is no longer based on frame which they are good at, and noobs love uframed games meaning you only have to mush buttons and apply heat dash, heat system, or range arts/drive whatever these feature slow down the game when you are losing, this is the difference, pro palyers dont know how to play that way.
Tekken 8 feels like street fighter turbo
I'm all for it being a new system and game, but it feels like it only favors aggression. There seems to be no reward to playing good defense. You just lose your life to chip instead. They even used aggression as a defensive mechanic. You attack attack attack to get your life back. This tekken isn't for me, as I have always been a defensive player. So overall I just feel like it's waaaaaay too aggressive.
I feel forced to aggression
I have said it many times. They should have kept gameplay like Tekken 7 and upgraded everything else. Have many fight intros like MK11. Have more beautiful NEXT GEN stages. Yakushima, Times Square Evening and Descent into Subconscious are NEXT GEN stages while all the other stages feel like ugly PS3 stages. I dislike the game mainly because of the stages. those stages pisses me off. I want an option to delete stages I don't want in the game.
Like Every Tekken game they give you something Nice with a lot of Ugly, apart from Tekken Tag 1 and Tekken 2.
To this day Tekken Tag 1 is still the most beautiful Tekken game and Tekken 7 has the best gameplay.
For a game that’s so shit, and hated by its community I’m really upset that they killed SoulCalibur season 3 for this. Y’all don’t deserve it. I’d give you guys 20 years of Akuma and Geese for Algol alone.
I actually be happy if they remove heat and chip, to be fair
Damn he's good. Baauumm!
no.... people needs to get over themselves. New game new system cry me a river. Adapt or look for a new game.
Facts! Not to mention, we are only 3 months into the game... let's see how it is after a few balance patches.... all the game needs are better defensive options and fewer 50/50's
@@djohnson504x3 you see thats the point why old heads dont agree with the current game play. Its because it forces you to go 50 50. It is what it is.
That’s pretty much how I feel. Don’t like it, boot up Tekken 7 then, but I’m going to play Tekken 8.
Simple
how about no 😂. Nothing wrong with listing off OBJECTIVELY bad things in the game such as homing grabs or overpowered heat smashes. News flash, balance patches and bug fixes happen because people complain. Complaints make the game better. Namco could sell you Lidia for 30$ and you would accept it and tell people who diagree to leave 😂. 😂 People will always want things improved.
Sometimes its uncalled for but sometimes it is