Just so people know, these test patches usually start off very scuffed, but get much better before being implemented into the real game. The UI changes a while back are a good example. Everyone hated them and they were adjusted before it dropped for real
I’ll always have immense respect for teamwood and I trust that they know what they’re doing, but almost all of these changes just seem ridiculous. I’ll admit that the new pets are cool, and nerfs like octopus, elephant, and alpaca were justified, but the fact that so many pets (like the moose) that were just okay have been nerfed into the ground while powerhouses like highland cow, German shepherd, etc. are untouched is completely absurd. There’s just so much here that is either pointless or completely destructive to the foundation that the game established so long ago with the turtle pack. I know that change is always going to be met with resistance, and teamwood has said before they want to incentivize more pivots and summon builds, but this just feels so dumb on so many levels
“You see? No one’s gonna expect you to run (insert low tier unit here) so no one is gonna run mantis shrimp!” * one round later * “Okay, but what are the odds of someone else doing it?”
A lot of these nerfs seem a bit harsh. Early game pets now seem fairly useless which means you have to pivot completely and your run is far more dependent on late shop luck... Like did anyone think fish was broken with 4/4 total buff for 9 gold? Or that beaver buy sell was too good for buffing?
I cannot understand the logic of changing the effects of existing pets entirely instead of just creating new pets. These changes this time around really seem to be changing the philosophy of the game and ruining the unique style of gameply of each separate pack
*Probability of seeing tier-1 pets in the new shop for a given roll (ignoring frozen pets and level-ups) for dragon scaling:* *New:* The probability of getting exactly 0 tier-1 pets in the shop = 48.22% The probability of getting exactly 1 tier-1 pets in the shop = 38.58% The probability of getting exactly 2 tier-1 pets in the shop = 11.574% The probability of getting exactly 3 tier-1 pets in the shop = 1.54321% The probability of getting exactly 4 tier-1 pets in the shop = 0.07716% The probability of getting atleast 1 tier-1 pets in the shop = 51.77437% The probability of getting atleast 2 tier-1 pets in the shop = 13.19437% The probability of getting atleast 3 tier-1 pets in the shop = 1.62037% *Old:* The probability of getting exactly 0 tier-1 pets in the shop = 43.04% The probability of getting exactly 1 tier-1 pets in the shop = 39.52% The probability of getting exactly 2 tier-1 pets in the shop = 14.52% The probability of getting exactly 3 tier-1 pets in the shop = 2.67% The probability of getting exactly 4 tier-1 pets in the shop = 0.245% The probability of getting exactly 5 tier-1 pets in the shop = 0.008996% The probability of getting atleast 1 tier-1 pets in the shop = 56.963996% The probability of getting atleast 2 tier-1 pets in the shop = 17.443996% The probability of getting atleast 3 tier-1 pets in the shop = 2.923996% The probability of getting atleast 4 tier-1 pets in the shop = 0.253996% Assuming no hammerhead sharks, swans, weasels and things of that nature and one tier-1 pet to sell from last turn, one has a total of 11 gold to spend. Let's see how likely it is to get a lot of tier-1 pets in a single turn. Ideally, you could get five tier-1 pets in a single turn in the old version if you don't spend any gold to roll. The gold sequence for this mechanism is: 10, 11, 8, 9, 6, 7, 4, 5, 2, 3, 0. In the new version, this is clearly impossible. So, let's focus on the probability of getting a total of four tier-1 pets in three rolls (default + 2 gold, which drops you to 9 gold) in the new shop. The probability of getting exactly 0 tier-1 pets in the shop in three rolls = 11.2119601% The probability of getting exactly 1 tier-1 pets in the shop in three rolls = 26.9115% The probability of getting exactly 2 tier-1 pets in the shop in three rolls = 29.60488% The probability of getting exactly 3 tier-1 pets in the shop in three rolls = 19.7376362% The probability of getting atleast 4 tier-1 pets in the shop in three rolls = 12.534% So, its safe to say that you might not even get three tier-1 pets by paying two gold to roll. At times like these, you could cut the losses by buying that extra minion for level up or chocolates or melons or freeze tier-1 minions for next turn. While it is possible to calculate the exact amount of gold to spend rolling to get reliable amount of tier-1 pets, the calculations will be time-consuming and complex. So, I won't do that. Anyway, turns out dragon scaling isn't nerfed so much as I initially thought.
I’m a bit disappointed about the fact that Highland cow and German shepherd were both unchanged. Those two were easily the strongest pets in the game and yet neither of them were touched. Also, out of all the pets that got totally reworked, somehow Nurse Shark was only left with a minor nerf? It just seems weird to me some of the decisions and changed they are testing and I hope they really reconsider some of them, especially the level-up system change.
@@someclownontheinternet9398 I think the nurse shark nerf is like perfect and puts it right in a good spot (even though lion fish is just kind of a better version of it now, we’ll see how that plays out they both have different benefits) but they aren’t complaining about the level up change you think they are just as an fyi. They are complaining because now if you combine two of the same pet regardless of level it only gives one exp, so two level twos makes a level two and 1/3 not a level 3, etc. I don’t think they’re complaining about the good change of choosing your level up pet
@@marshmallofluff Yeah that’s what I thought at first too, but then I did a double take at the wording and it seems like they were talking about the pet selection. Plus I have actually seen people (somehow) complaining about it before, so…
They'll probably add a max number of times the Jerboa's ability can trigger. Not a fan of the changes to old pets, when so many newly added pets are in dire need of a nerf. Some pets are unusable now, while some others have been fundamentally changed to a degree where you might as well just add a new pet instead.
Fun fact: Axolotl is a Nahuatl word (Native Mexican). It's pronounced "ah-SHO'-lotl". Tl pronounced together. There are examples of pronunciation in Nahuatl on RUclips. Nahuatl is the language a lot of words like tomato, chocolate, Mexico, etc. come from.
@BlueDeluge cool that you feel that way. I, on the other hand, want to offer interesting information on a language that means a lot to me, and a lot of people don't know about despite using words from it all the time. Good for you though.
2:30 in my experience, pangolin is nothing like surgeon fish, lol. I use pangolin more like betta fish (i.e. I am more likely to pill it than keep it on my team - you can scale really fast that way).
hour long skoottie video: happy Mr incredible meme All your favorite pets are dead while highland cow and German Shepard are unscathed: dark Mr incredible meme
I remember suggesting a pet that would 'start of turn' - replace shop with one apple with increasing stats. Overall, my comment back then got negative feedback regarding the jerboa becoming too strong. Surprised to see that's basically a thing now, though a bit different. I'm curious how it'll go.
There are days were I'm like "I don't actually know a ton about SAP" but then I imagined watchinc this video with no context and almost died of confusion
Tier 3 squirrel still seems good cause you could buy both foods then roll for one gold every time till you run out of gold which would be twenty foods though
Bread should be a debuff , where , if you give a pet too much bread , it'll make the pet fat , which lowers his attack , and makes him miss his turn. If you know , you know.
"Gharial" is sometimes spelled and pronounced "gavial". It's named after a piece of earthenware known as a "ghara". "GEH-ree-el" and "GAH-ree-el" both work just fine, but the latter is closer to its original hindi pronunciation.
Some of the nerfs are ridiculous. Otter is understandable, but really sad. Dromedary makes no sense, and snail has been nerfed into the grave now. That’s just to name a few of them, but at least there are a lot of positives that come with these negatives.
Thumbnail is clickbait, mantis shrimp isn’t in the puppy pack smh (I still clicked though because it’s Skoottie) Just gonna add on that all these enemy-dependent abilities suggest a big move towards versus later on, we already know we’re getting ranked versus after all Edit 2: Polar bear slander
I dont like the fact that they changed the effects of the old pets , i am already used to them and now they will change it ? I hope they are just testing
Hi Skoottie, could you do a full tier list before these changes go live? I like long form videos like these and would love to hear your thoughts on each pet before this test patch eventually hits live and changes everything.
I like the effort that went into the overlay! My opinion tho is its very distracting. Maybe its just cuz on stream the gameplay is much smaller than other streamers, maybe chat being ontop with a transparent box might be better so gameplay can be full screen. I assume you do this though so it doesnt block the money and health/pets in sap
Please flip your screen of this is the new setup, please put chat and your face back on the right if this is how it’s staying. I hate change haha @skootie
Just so people know, these test patches usually start off very scuffed, but get much better before being implemented into the real game. The UI changes a while back are a good example. Everyone hated them and they were adjusted before it dropped for real
Yeah but not always. They let flying fish through lol
@@UnsoughtLyric truuuuue
@@benro6564 Originally it was a +1/+1 turkey
Maybe but man do I never wanna touch these starting packs again, everything is so weak now.
I’ll always have immense respect for teamwood and I trust that they know what they’re doing, but almost all of these changes just seem ridiculous. I’ll admit that the new pets are cool, and nerfs like octopus, elephant, and alpaca were justified, but the fact that so many pets (like the moose) that were just okay have been nerfed into the ground while powerhouses like highland cow, German shepherd, etc. are untouched is completely absurd. There’s just so much here that is either pointless or completely destructive to the foundation that the game established so long ago with the turtle pack. I know that change is always going to be met with resistance, and teamwood has said before they want to incentivize more pivots and summon builds, but this just feels so dumb on so many levels
I was about to comment my opinions but you covered it all lol. Fully agree on everything
Being able to buy sell oysters to buff tier 6s with the chicken sounds insane
Mantis shrimp may change NL's life
“You see? No one’s gonna expect you to run (insert low tier unit here) so no one is gonna run mantis shrimp!”
* one round later *
“Okay, but what are the odds of someone else doing it?”
@@deadlydingus1138 +2
A lot of these nerfs seem a bit harsh. Early game pets now seem fairly useless which means you have to pivot completely and your run is far more dependent on late shop luck... Like did anyone think fish was broken with 4/4 total buff for 9 gold? Or that beaver buy sell was too good for buffing?
Man, all these nerfs just don't seem fun to me!
I cannot understand the logic of changing the effects of existing pets entirely instead of just creating new pets. These changes this time around really seem to be changing the philosophy of the game and ruining the unique style of gameply of each separate pack
If Hippo can knock out the opponent, it TECHNICALLY would come back to life with some health.
meat bone going from 5 to 4 to 3 dmg is truly heartbreaking but +5 damage was strong for tier 2
I'd rather them push it up a tier at this point. It's a travesty.
*Probability of seeing tier-1 pets in the new shop for a given roll (ignoring frozen pets and level-ups) for dragon scaling:*
*New:*
The probability of getting exactly 0 tier-1 pets in the shop = 48.22%
The probability of getting exactly 1 tier-1 pets in the shop = 38.58%
The probability of getting exactly 2 tier-1 pets in the shop = 11.574%
The probability of getting exactly 3 tier-1 pets in the shop = 1.54321%
The probability of getting exactly 4 tier-1 pets in the shop = 0.07716%
The probability of getting atleast 1 tier-1 pets in the shop = 51.77437%
The probability of getting atleast 2 tier-1 pets in the shop = 13.19437%
The probability of getting atleast 3 tier-1 pets in the shop = 1.62037%
*Old:*
The probability of getting exactly 0 tier-1 pets in the shop = 43.04%
The probability of getting exactly 1 tier-1 pets in the shop = 39.52%
The probability of getting exactly 2 tier-1 pets in the shop = 14.52%
The probability of getting exactly 3 tier-1 pets in the shop = 2.67%
The probability of getting exactly 4 tier-1 pets in the shop = 0.245%
The probability of getting exactly 5 tier-1 pets in the shop = 0.008996%
The probability of getting atleast 1 tier-1 pets in the shop = 56.963996%
The probability of getting atleast 2 tier-1 pets in the shop = 17.443996%
The probability of getting atleast 3 tier-1 pets in the shop = 2.923996%
The probability of getting atleast 4 tier-1 pets in the shop = 0.253996%
Assuming no hammerhead sharks, swans, weasels and things of that nature and one tier-1 pet to sell from last turn, one has a total of 11 gold to spend. Let's see how likely it is to get a lot of tier-1 pets in a single turn. Ideally, you could get five tier-1 pets in a single turn in the old version if you don't spend any gold to roll. The gold sequence for this mechanism is: 10, 11, 8, 9, 6, 7, 4, 5, 2, 3, 0. In the new version, this is clearly impossible. So, let's focus on the probability of getting a total of four tier-1 pets in three rolls (default + 2 gold, which drops you to 9 gold) in the new shop.
The probability of getting exactly 0 tier-1 pets in the shop in three rolls = 11.2119601%
The probability of getting exactly 1 tier-1 pets in the shop in three rolls = 26.9115%
The probability of getting exactly 2 tier-1 pets in the shop in three rolls = 29.60488%
The probability of getting exactly 3 tier-1 pets in the shop in three rolls = 19.7376362%
The probability of getting atleast 4 tier-1 pets in the shop in three rolls = 12.534%
So, its safe to say that you might not even get three tier-1 pets by paying two gold to roll. At times like these, you could cut the losses by buying that extra minion for level up or chocolates or melons or freeze tier-1 minions for next turn. While it is possible to calculate the exact amount of gold to spend rolling to get reliable amount of tier-1 pets, the calculations will be time-consuming and complex. So, I won't do that.
Anyway, turns out dragon scaling isn't nerfed so much as I initially thought.
Bro's held food is mushroom.
@@RealElevenTimes I don't have a sense of humor, not in the internet atleast. If this is supposed to be a joke, please explain.
I watched this entire video and they nerfed EVERYTHING that was fun in the game so idk if I’m gonna keep playing it
Boar, Otter, and Moose all trying to be the worst pet in the game. Nasty
28:35 "its a pig! its a glorified pig!!" - ludwig
1:21 whats the whole page thing? i havent watched a sap video in a while? but why is this pet multiple “pages” and page 2 and 3 are like… items?
"Let's just keep making snipers stronger!"
Thanks TW.
I’m a bit disappointed about the fact that Highland cow and German shepherd were both unchanged. Those two were easily the strongest pets in the game and yet neither of them were touched. Also, out of all the pets that got totally reworked, somehow Nurse Shark was only left with a minor nerf? It just seems weird to me some of the decisions and changed they are testing and I hope they really reconsider some of them, especially the level-up system change.
So many valid things you could’ve said about this update but you chose a healthy nurse shark nerf and luck protection to complain about
@@someclownontheinternet9398 I think the nurse shark nerf is like perfect and puts it right in a good spot (even though lion fish is just kind of a better version of it now, we’ll see how that plays out they both have different benefits) but they aren’t complaining about the level up change you think they are just as an fyi. They are complaining because now if you combine two of the same pet regardless of level it only gives one exp, so two level twos makes a level two and 1/3 not a level 3, etc. I don’t think they’re complaining about the good change of choosing your level up pet
@@marshmallofluff Yeah that’s what I thought at first too, but then I did a double take at the wording and it seems like they were talking about the pet selection. Plus I have actually seen people (somehow) complaining about it before, so…
@@someclownontheinternet9398 that’s weird, idk I like the update
chat gaslighting him into saying Gharial wrong
So will we get “SAP classic” after this overhaul so I don’t have to learn an entire new game ?
People who played SAP for year or more already: "First time?"
Now skootie can't complain about flying fish anymore 😂😂.
Has anyone complained about flying fish since it has been nerfed? It's not really good anymore.
@@ItsYouAreNotYour Yeah it kind of got nerfed into the ground
Nobody uses flying fish.
They'll probably add a max number of times the Jerboa's ability can trigger. Not a fan of the changes to old pets, when so many newly added pets are in dire need of a nerf. Some pets are unusable now, while some others have been fundamentally changed to a degree where you might as well just add a new pet instead.
Fun fact: Axolotl is a Nahuatl word (Native Mexican). It's pronounced "ah-SHO'-lotl". Tl pronounced together. There are examples of pronunciation in Nahuatl on RUclips.
Nahuatl is the language a lot of words like tomato, chocolate, Mexico, etc. come from.
It was also named after the Aztec god of fire and lightning, xolotl
okay but it's a loanword and we speak english, we shouldn't be expected to pronounce every loanword in its native pronounciation.
So is it Meshico? I went to a place called Xel Ha and it sounds like "shell-ha".
based
@BlueDeluge cool that you feel that way.
I, on the other hand, want to offer interesting information on a language that means a lot to me, and a lot of people don't know about despite using words from it all the time.
Good for you though.
How are you looking at the toys?
They murdered my bo(y)ar
I assume they’ll change it back after seeing feedback, then again teamwood’s kind of been ignoring that lately it seems, so who knows
My chef bo(y)ar(dee)
Does anyone know how to activate the test patch?
some of these changes are just... bad
hopefully its just for test server
I had a Gerboa Owl Worm run that was stupidly ahead of everything I faced. Didn't seem fair at all.
2:30 in my experience, pangolin is nothing like surgeon fish, lol. I use pangolin more like betta fish (i.e. I am more likely to pill it than keep it on my team - you can scale really fast that way).
You can potentially run a 5 squad with owl if mantis goes off first
No, owl is start of turn
I aint smart enough for this update
That xp combining change sounds awful.
An hour long Scoottie SAP video? Let’s go!
hour long skoottie video: happy Mr incredible meme
All your favorite pets are dead while highland cow and German Shepard are unscathed: dark Mr incredible meme
@@sscswimmer1 true
I remember suggesting a pet that would 'start of turn' - replace shop with one apple with increasing stats. Overall, my comment back then got negative feedback regarding the jerboa becoming too strong. Surprised to see that's basically a thing now, though a bit different. I'm curious how it'll go.
Ant change is % wise immense.
Even if it's justified nerfs feel bad man, buffs to weaker pets feels better.
Its just old mosquito lol
There are days were I'm like "I don't actually know a ton about SAP" but then I imagined watchinc this video with no context and almost died of confusion
Tier 3 squirrel still seems good cause you could buy both foods then roll for one gold every time till you run out of gold which would be twenty foods though
Not how that works I don’t think, it’s just the first two foods are discounted everything else is full price
@@marshmallofluff gotcha well then it sux at all tiers then
These seem silly lol
They got the Wildfrost bread now:))
The change to leveling pets really bites if you want to pivot, especially since they changed how the Alpaca works.
yay! more a to z coming!
that was fast
It's time for us to take a picture of the Jerboa, and don't forget her, let her linger in your view
Stonefish = Unilateral badger.
Bread should be a debuff , where , if you give a pet too much bread , it'll make the pet fat , which lowers his attack , and makes him miss his turn.
If you know , you know.
bread + sloth = god
I really appreciate your content
This is his twitch overlay. He doesn't have it like this for RUclips videos.
rip dromedary bacta tank
increase sell value by 3???? doesnt that mean no cost to buy sell
only on itself. Essentially acts as a piggy bank that you can sell later for like 10 gold
Does flying squirrel work with tiger?
"Gharial" is sometimes spelled and pronounced "gavial". It's named after a piece of earthenware known as a "ghara". "GEH-ree-el" and "GAH-ree-el" both work just fine, but the latter is closer to its original hindi pronunciation.
Isn’t surgeon fish before attack? It’s just a different kind of pet compared to pangolin
We're gonna see NL go hedgehog for 2 months straight again
Oh wow you literally just said that in the video after i posted this
one of the few pets that has some fun/charm left after the nerf wave lmao, hedgehog blowfish gonna be fun
Wasn't elephant weak enough already? I mean it was okay in the mid game but you almost never get to 10 with it.
They did the mammoth thing cause it was more worth pilling than keeping before (imo anyways).
these new changes seem sick. ofc its not perfect but thats how all changes start off thats why we got the test server
Some of the nerfs are ridiculous. Otter is understandable, but really sad. Dromedary makes no sense, and snail has been nerfed into the grave now. That’s just to name a few of them, but at least there are a lot of positives that come with these negatives.
50:20 Dodo + Mammoth?
I bet Elephant Blowfish got buffed bc of the cartoon
its not pronounced gaviak btw that chatter had no idea what they were on about. you were pronouncing it right
Panther Carrot + Tahr chili for the win
Thumbnail is clickbait, mantis shrimp isn’t in the puppy pack smh (I still clicked though because it’s Skoottie)
Just gonna add on that all these enemy-dependent abilities suggest a big move towards versus later on, we already know we’re getting ranked versus after all
Edit 2: Polar bear slander
But at the top it is written "new pets" so it isn't really a clickbait
I dont like the fact that they changed the effects of the old pets , i am already used to them and now they will change it ? I hope they are just testing
Hi Skoottie, could you do a full tier list before these changes go live? I like long form videos like these and would love to hear your thoughts on each pet before this test patch eventually hits live and changes everything.
octopus change was awesome. was way too op
lionfish chocolate cake
Them seeing blowfish and going, yea that dudes needs to be S
A2Z numéro cinq
I'm not french just from a french colony
OMG GUYS NO WAY
THEY ADDED bread 🍞🍞
I THINK ITS TOO OP GUYSS
Skewer broken with level 3 skunk
I like the effort that went into the overlay! My opinion tho is its very distracting. Maybe its just cuz on stream the gameplay is much smaller than other streamers, maybe chat being ontop with a transparent box might be better so gameplay can be full screen. I assume you do this though so it doesnt block the money and health/pets in sap
Hurt builds incoming.
Worst change was Boar by far.
But tier one is a massive nerf tier two probably the same
Tiger -> Crocodile -> Flying Squirrel -> Snake -> Big Slug w/ Melon
Please flip your screen of this is the new setup, please put chat and your face back on the right if this is how it’s staying. I hate change haha @skootie
i hate almost all of the changes. a few are good but mostly bad in my opinion :(
Bison change is all I ever wanted.
bacta is dead. rip dram:(((
You're misunderstanding the caterpillar. It no longer gains XP every turn and the different level abilities work as if it was any other pet
That’s just not correct